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Censorship Fail Reveals Big Music ISP Spying Plan

Previously confidential documents detailing Universal Music’s meetings with the former UK government over the Digital Economy Act are revealing a whole lot more than the pair intended. Blacked-out sections now uncovered show that Universal believed that ISPs could spy on their users and hand over information to rightsholders in order for them to sue.

As reported in our earlier article, documents requested from Lord Mandelson’s office under the Freedom of Information Act have already proven interesting reading.

The documents detail meetings held in 2009 with Lord Mandelson, then Secretary of State (SoS) for Business, on the UK’s then-upcoming Digital Economy Act.

One report is titled ‘Note of Secretary of State’s meeting with Lucian Grainge (CEO, Universal Music Group International). In common with many documents released under FOI requests, this one (marked ‘RESTRICTED’) has blacked-out sections, hiding information deemed too sensitive for the public eye.


The censored paragraph

black out censor fail

However, due to the government’s failure to black-out the text in all versions of the document (and leaving the PDF version open to exploitation) we can now reveal the contents of a censored paragraph.

In it, Universal CEO Lucian Grainge begins by talking about a deal his company struck with Virgin Media.

“Universal have entered into an arrangement with the Internet Service Provider (ISP) Virgin to target legitimate broadband users with a £10 ‘all you can eat’ offer,” Grainge explained.

Indeed, in mid-2009 that particular deal was hailed as “ground-breaking” but the other major labels didn’t sign on to provide the necessary momentum. Quietly, even Universal had reservations.

“There is a commercial risk with this strategy, which could be like putting a Coca Cola pipe in your house which would then supply the whole street,” Grainge told the meeting.

But the deal with Virgin was two-way. To combat piracy concerns like these the ISP agreed to do something for Universal.

“In return for a fixed fee revenue share Virgin have agreed to anti-piracy measures, including pop-up warnings on screens,” Grainge confirmed.

Eventually the Universal/Virgin deal fizzled out and now more than two years later the Spotify service is on the horizon instead.

However, it is Grainge’s final comments during the meeting on anti-piracy enforcement that will raise eyebrows, particularly since the government has tried and failed to censor this statement from the Freedom of Information request.

“As ISPs can monitor the amount of power used by specific users and the sites connected to, it is possible for ISPs to pass on any details to owners of particular rights, who could then take legal action,” Grainge concludes.

The mere suggestion from the head of a major label that ISPs could spy on their customers is outrageous enough, but mentioned in the same breath as a deal with Virgin Media will cause even greater concern.

In late 2009 it was revealed that Virgin Media had partnered with technology company Detica to install a Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) system. Called CView, the product was to be installed to monitor the instances of illicit file-sharing on Virgin’s network.

“Understanding how consumer behaviour is changing will be an important requirement of Virgin Media’s upcoming music offering [with Universal Music] and, should they become law, the Government’s legislative proposals will also require measurement of the level of copyright infringement on ISPs’ networks,” Virgin Media’s executive director Jon James explained at the time.

The assurances were, however, that all of the data collected by CView on Virgin’s network (and on other ISPs – Detica were in talks with them too) would be anonymized, but groups such as Privacy International still had concerns.

The notion of ISPs becoming “copyright cops” is an increasingly worrying topic. With the voluntary warning system just agreed in the US, ISPs are slowly revealing that they are prepared to work with the music and movie industries. Where they will draw that final cooperative line remains to be seen but if we take Lucian Grainge’s comments at face value, we can see where the labels might be aiming.

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  • Cameron

    Bet this Lucian guy is part of the Jewish circle of control.

  • Acslawarecrooks

    just goes to show how corrupt and deceitful, “Lord” Madelson and his cronies were. How can someone who was kicked out of Government twice for “conduct unbecoming” be allowed to force through such legisation as the DEA.
    Greed, Corruption, pursuit of power

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  • TaintedLove

    BT Junkie & Demonoid seem to be inaccessible more and more often so many good sites like Ninja Video, MiniNova are now long gone. Cant believe the technology incompetent twats are ruining our Internet…Nice one Obama you Sh*t!
    Lets not forget the Ninja Video Manifesto:

    “We’re a community, made up of millions. We come from every country, every walk of life, and every economic level. And we’re smart. We’re young. We’re articulate. And we’re your audience.

    But we’re tired, and we can fight back.

    And this is by no means a challenge; it’s just the reality.

    Can I afford lawyers? No. Not at all. But will there be a hundred people to take my place if I step down?

    Yes … believe me there will be.”

    • Jmorse43508

      I don’t know about BT Junkie, as I haven’t tried them in almost a year due to xxx spam in some of the categories, but Demonoid seems to be accessible, at least for me.

      Maybe it’s your ISP blocking them.

      • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

        My ISP is TalkTalk and I too found btJ returning an Error 101 a few times in the last week or two – but I don’t use them too often so dunno if it’s daily or wot.
        I simply moved on to the next site :)

      • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

        My ISP is TalkTalk and I too found btJ returning an Error 101 a few times in the last week or two – but I don’t use them too often so dunno if it’s daily or wot.
        I simply moved on to the next site :)

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  • MC

    Yeah this is pretty disgraceful. Of course the only thing that will stop ISPs going along with this seeing customers leaving in droves because they dont like being spied on whether they download stuff or not. Thats the theory anyway, the reality is people mostly dont have this option due to the BT/Virgin Media duopoly in the UK, so youre damned either way really. 90% of DSL providers are just BT resellers too so that doesent count, and the last 10% of genuine independent LLU DSL providers have VERY patchy coverage or even sometimes operate in London only. The bottom line is many/most people still have ONE choice for broadband so cannot do jack but put up with it or go without internet which today is pretty inconceivable. Like me, who has been forced to sign a contract with Virgin Media because they are the only game in town :(. I have a plan B though, if it comes down to it i will downgrade my speed package and use the money saved to rent a VPN in a free country to maintain my privacy.

    • Guywithacat

      All around the world (I’m in US.) these monopolies, duopolies, (lets just call them greedy hate mongers) are taking over. At&t is trying with Tmobile to make everyone in the US pay 100$+ a month for a cell phone. Comcast and Time Warner are realizing no one needs to buy cable any more, and well the music industry is like a walking zombie its been dead so long. Once these crap companies are “allowed” to fail, they will, and new ones will come. Not till they suck every penny we let them though. If this story actually came to be true, I think there would be real riots because it is an attack on we the people.

    • Anonymous

      Whats this Duopoly you keep refering to, BT still has wholesalers, theres more than BT and Virgin you know!

  • Guest

    Use BT or TalkTalk as your ISP. They’re at least a little more concerned with user-privacy and human rights. Better yet, use BeThere.

    • Taintedlove

      Dude you are clueless Talk Talk are the worst company ever for broadband too many customers not enough infrastructure and they intercept/harvest customers URL’s (Spying). British Gas used to sell their crappy packages when you phoned up to complain or give a meter reading. BT are just as bad you need to look up “Phorm” and if you followed the news would know BT were one of the first ISP’s to block p2p not to mention daylight robbers. You should also read the article on here a few days ago about “Cleanfeed” BT’s new child pornography filter they will now use against p2p and sites like newzbin the Usenet indexing site that’s just for starters. Seriously learn a little before you spout off in public.

    • gae

      BT: readily and unquestionably handed customer details over to anti-piracy lawyers, slows down bittorrent traffic, way below advertised speeds, only became ‘concerned’ with privacy once the newspapers got their stories out about how customer details were hacked from acs law.

      TalkTalk: dirt cheap and well… you get what you pay for I guess.

      • Acslawarecrooks

        Please see the forums on Slyck and Plusnet. this shameful BT episode has been discussed at length, suffice to say BT and SKY did not come out of this well. Virgin media charged £18,473 to Davenport Lyons for 156 users names and addresses, (they were called Telewest at the time) http://torrentfreak.com/images/20070414093506062-1.pdf
        so they could never be seen as being on the side of the customer. it is time that customers stood up for themselves and said enough is enough. the governement must say to big business – “we are not herr to prop up your aging unworkable business model. you must give the public what it wants we will not be your “stick” anymore !”

      • Acslawarecrooks

        Please see the forums on Slyck and Plusnet. this shameful BT episode has been discussed at length, suffice to say BT and SKY did not come out of this well. Virgin media charged £18,473 to Davenport Lyons for 156 users names and addresses, (they were called Telewest at the time) http://torrentfreak.com/images/20070414093506062-1.pdf
        so they could never be seen as being on the side of the customer. it is time that customers stood up for themselves and said enough is enough. the governement must say to big business – “we are not herr to prop up your aging unworkable business model. you must give the public what it wants we will not be your “stick” anymore !”

    • Zzzz

      Look up BT and Phorm.

  • Him

    what mandelson did was/is inexcusable. however, the coalition government have done nothing to change what he did, even tho’ they asked for people to list what laws should be repealed and the DEA was one at the top. all a load of bullshit! the people need to be kept down and that is what all governments will do when sufficient incentives are given!

    • Joined_up_typeski

      If you look at the voting record for the DEA, the liberal democrats rolled over on it too – it went through in the “wash up” of last parliament which seems to have suited the big businesses fine and stuffed the small guy. Whilst I don’t necessarily believe that piracy is the way forward, I am fed up of paying over the odds for media just to keep this archaic business propped up.

    • gae

      TIL: Politicians do not care about what the people want, only what they can get for themselves.

  • Jeff Bekcer

    Mr President, NOTHING has been changed. You campaigned for that!
    Obama i am disappoint…

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  • Me

    So Virgin Media wants to sell out its customers, very nice……

  • Dsfsfs

    anyone saying that Virgin Media should go die in a fire needs to understand that they’re the only service and offers a stable fiber cable connection so we don’t have much choice if we don’t want disconnects or the speed we actually get.

    I’ve switched about 5 times to understand that currently, they’re the best choice even though they’re overpriced and other countries pay 5 euros for the same package.

    BT Infinity is coming, and i will definitely be looking into it.

    • Anonymous

      Enjoy your horrendous traffic shaping

      • TaintedLove

        Second that I was with these monkey’s for a year and they traffic shaped my arse right to their competition. Even after seeing out my 1 year contract and requesting to move they said their would be a cancellation fee, I refused to pay as I had honored my part of the contract. They passed it to a debit collector immediately and the debit went up, its sorted now but what a bunch of jokers!

        • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

          lol, BT are trying the exact same thing with me except I reported the asswipes to Police for fraud, extortion and harassment as well as moaning to my local MP about their illegal practices and unfair contract.application.

          They exploded a £40 bill into over £160, and I reckon I owe them almost nothing except compensation for the crap they’ve dished out and a written apology too.

          Meanwhile, I terminated service for breach of contract and moved elsewhere, but BT simply got their credit agency rottweillers onto hound me into an early grave.

          The battle continues currently …

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Ouch Rob. But these BT problems are generalized and every [insert sector here (ie:ISP)] has this problem to a certain degree. After all, it’s all about posting profits for their shareholders.

        • TaintedLove

          @ Rob8urcakes

          Hello fella don’t know what channels you are using to complain but there is only one that is effective straight to the top my friend. Sir Michael Rake is Chairman of the BT Group a well written letter to him and some persistence and patience should get you a result. Worked for me wrote to the Branson himself and one of his minions was falling over himself to help me.

          BT Head Office
          Bt Centre 81 Newgate Street, London EC1A 7AJ

          Good Luck my friend.

    • Zzzz

      You are an idiot, BT has actual done this sort of spying already.
      Look up Phorm if you need more information.

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  • DocGerbil100

    I take away two Important Things from this particular bit of news:

    First, taken with the detail of the other documents and the astounding wall of carefully-orchestrated lies Universal clearly surrounded our government with (particularly Mandelson), I think it’s more than reasonable to conclude that the deal with Virgin was never anything more than marketing – a sweetener designed to conceal the utterly abusive, anti-progress, anti-consumer focus of the companies’ plans. Universal evidently never had the slightest intention of making good on it’s promises;

    and second, I don’t care what they sell, I don’t care how good it is – I’m not touching anything from Universal Music or Virgin with a shitty stick.

  • Themrtortoise

    there are real reasons why you do not want everyone using encrypted protocols all the time. This action jsut encourages that … the government has no idea what kind of problems they are creating for themselves in the future. Let them, it makes everyone elses lives easier when everything becomes more secure.

    • GuestyFlarg

      Hmm, yes, well, that’s pretty much what MI5, MI6 and the police already told them and they went ahead anyway. Shrug.

      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6885923.ece

    • Wellisntthatspecial

      its already been said cops and fed cops think this is absolutely awful cause before you had say 2% of the net encrypted and now you might have 98% when your talking about millions total users there job just stopped being even close to easy and the next law wil be YOU FORCED TO HAND OVER A ENCRYPTION KEY OR YOUR GOING TO PRISON

      OH think this hasn’t been done….LOOK up the war munitions act….a ww2 throwback that made people criminals just for sending encrypted messages from north america to europe.

      • http://vpnandusenetreviews.com Anonymous

        they are talking about encryption on a local disk. and yes, in many cases with good cause, a person can be forced to give up the password/key to their encrypted data.

        you can’t, however, give up a key you don’t know. which is exactly what you have in the case of a VPN, or an encrypted network. even if they take my local certificate, they are still short half the equation as the other half resides with the network, and it changes.

        in summary, you can’t give over a key you don’t have.

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  • Anon

    Government and industry will do whatever they must…. WHATEVER…..THEY……MUST…… to return price to digital products where value lies and whenever this merchandise is copied. Too much of the global economy is in digital IP and they have no real alternative. Sensible folks on both sides of the piracy divide see this clearly now.

    Keep infringing on these products and government and industry will have increasing reasons to spy and lock you down. You are doing this to yourselves, with no one to blame but yourself. Pirates are all talk, blah blah, VPN, lets’ kill them, encryption….blah blah….. while Governments the world over are taking quantifiable action month after month. Until you take up arms you will be subject to paying for products you copy and on some level, you know this. Pay for the digital files you copy or learn to do without them so they have no further reason for this.

    This was never complicated and you’ve been warned.

    • Acslawarecrooks

      OK,
      I personnaly would love to be able to buy the media i would like, however there are no LEGAL places where i can buy or stream TV that was shown last night in the USA. In the UK we have to wait weeks for the latest episope of a US Drama (for instance Dexter season 5 has only recently been shown). The latest episode of most world shows are on the internet within minutes of being broadcast (sans adverts). When will the big business realise that we the buying public do not “want to Pirate” we Pirate because their is no other legal option.

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Ohhhh big scary troll threatens us with PAY-US-or–ELSE shoot us.

      Good new take on the business model for the 21st century. Mind if I quote you extensively to my government and Chamber of Commerce?
      lol, what a twat.

      • Anonymous

        Rob, may I ask a huge favor? I’d like your input on something. Read what Anon just wrote. Then check his comment history. Read the past few posts, the rather lengthy ones, then read the ones before that. You’ll know which ones I mean. Tell me, what do you think, written by two entirely different people or not? It seems that way to me, but I’d like someone else’s thoughts on this.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Trolls are trolls. I’d say they are parts of the same central entity mind and the way they write depends on the mood of this central entity. I know, I’m calling this entity MAFIAA!

    • Wellisntthatspecial

      sorry wrong , the fact is its now an industry that should be free and done cause you like doing it not for profit , technology always brings process cheaper and this area it brings it to near zero….especially when its fractions of a penny for a gb of bandwidth , when a music artist big name used to get 50 cents for the whole album and the distribution label got 29.49 at future shop in 2005 you know what we save ever music download….

    • GoatieGuy

      Fair’s fair….with regard the BBC…
      In the UK, at least, we get to see the shows on TV for the price of a licence…
      We then get to see them for free if we miss them on catchup….

      But they are time limited and made with licence revenue. This SHOULD mean they are archived and always available for free… but it isn’t so.

      The facilities exist to serve this data on demand, but instead, we have to pay AGAIN for content licence payers made possible in the first place, by having to BUY the CD’s and DVD’s (that were again funded by licence payers money!!!).

      And they wonder why words like ‘extortion’ are bandied about by the public.

      Fuck ‘em. You can’t get blood out of a stone.

    • DocGerbil100

      “Governments the world over…”

      It seems to me it’s mostly just the USA that really cares about this, if you don’t count the sleazy Sarkozy – everyone else is just going along with something that mostly doesn’t benefit them one way or the other, under pressure from the US.

      Ultimately, it’s really only the US government that truly believes it is losing any real money – everybody else’s film and TV industries were steamrollered out of the game by Hollywood’s big media companies years ago.

      The UK (just for one instance) still has a few irons in the fire, but we all know it’s a drop in the ocean by comparison – and a drop that can be swallowed up and asset-stripped by those same big companies at any time.

      Which is something made especially easy by the fact that most of those assets are from companies already partially or wholly owned by American and Japanese corporations. Even the state-owned BBC will soon be faced with having to sell off large parts of itself in order to survive.

      If “governments the world over” wish to go full-on for anti-piracy, this involves:
      • Ignoring what their own researchers are telling them about the effects of piracy;
      • Ignoring what their own researchers are telling them about the MAFIAA’s “research” and campaigns;
      • Ignoring what every one of their own technology experts are telling them about practicality;
      • Writing increasingly invasive, draconian laws designed to stop copyright-infringement (and tearing up their own non-infringing citizens’ hard-won democratic rights into the bargain);
      • Sacrificing substantial police resources (and even absolutely huge amounts of their own and their local internet industry’s money) in order to build and maintain the necessary monitoring and enforcement systems;
      • Accepting that US corporations will be the predominant owners of almost all future delivery mechanisms for content, by right of bought-and-paid-for US laws and endless spurious legal attacks on all non-US competitors;
      • Accepting that the vast majority of any profits made will be going out of the country and straight into US shareholders’ pockets;
      • Accepting that – at some point – they will have to answer questions about morning headlines that read “7-year-old girl shot dead by police for music piracy”;
      • Acepting the personal and collective indignity of effectively letting the US government blackmail them into allowing foreign laws on their own soil.

      No government has anything to gain from this. This is why no government outside the US has been prepared to give two sharp tugs on a dead dog’s cock about piracy until the last few years, despite decades of hard anti-piracy campaigning.

      It’s really only the endless lies and the US government’s constant threat of trade sanctions that have brought new international anti-piracy laws and plans into being. When the lies are finally exposed by time and the MAFIAA’s own greed and stupidity, then public support, industry support and political will for extreme anti-piracy measures will evaporate in the USA – and most of those international laws will be abandoned.

      You can win as many battles as you can – but you’ve already lost the war by systematically defrauding every government on Earth. It’s just a matter of time.

    • Guest

      We don’t need entertainment anyway.

    • http://vpnandusenetreviews.com Anonymous

      yeah, and from what I can tell, our talk of “VPN” (and other helpful technologies) has not produced any quantifiable or verifiable breach of that security. in other words, we know exactly what to do when we don’t want someone snooping through our online activities.

      or did i miss something? were you/big media/etc able to crack 256bit AES data tunnels? (not to mention the 2048bit authentication). and if you have, by some magical feat of luck, there is always another cipher to choose from, and a longer/stronger bit key. cryptography, ain’t is grand?

      we won’t want to, or need to kill anybody. all we need to do is utilize basic privacy and protection measures.

      this was never complicated and you’ve been told.

  • Admin

    Simply if ISP’s start spy use VPN and ISP has no clue what you download :)

    • chillinfart

      Some ISP are not friendly with VPN (at least here in peru). If they cannot read a well coded packet they will disconnect you.

      • http://vpnandusenetreviews.com Anonymous

        then you should check into SSTP VPN. it is a well coded packet. it’s the same as a HTTPS packet. so unless your government completely blocks secure login to websites (such as your bank, utilities, etc.) then they cannot block SSTP!

        you are probably referring to L2TP and PPTP, which, in general are blocked by many nations (Syria, Iran, China, the UAE, etc.)

        you can probably also run OpenVPN connections since they use SSL for encryption. SSTP is probably your best bet though.

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  • Admin

    Simply if ISP’s start spy use VPN and ISP has no clue what you download :)

  • Legion

    TalkTalk are possibly the worst ISP in the country. Also, Lord Mandelson is a sly twat, but you knew that already.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    I hope with all the official reports now published in the UK and worldwide on “the content industry” and its relationship with the “digital economy”, its wants & unreasonable demands (not to mention its persistent lies and propaganda), as well as the fact that continuing public pressure on the UK government has been made clear with our many objections and with support from various European Union sources, the Digital Economy Act is not a sane nor is it a required item of law suitable for the level of communication today.

    We, the revolting public, have and are STILL speaking up against the possible subordinate legislation that could be made under this terrible law.

    Market forces shall prevail in the end – but are the casualties going to be weighted on the industry or the consumer?

    We await a decision from government. But don’t wait silently. Write or email your MP and ask them to allow filesharing, because those of us who can afford to buy WILL buy, but only IF the product is worth the asking price.

    Not too difficult to understand really, is it?

  • Wellisntthatspecial

    nice to see tf censoring posts

  • Leon Panetta

    I say this everyday, on nearly every article, but someone should murder the cunt.

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  • Winston Smith

    I have about 500gb of movies I have downloaded from the web, about 95% of which have been on tv (i.e I could have recorded for later watching) so I do not see anything wrong with what I have done. However, people creating and distributing DVD’s / Cinema Movies for a living (however much of a rip-off they are) need their income protecting, plain and simple. There is a generation of kids now who do not see the point of purchasing music – the result? The industry in decline, music ‘meaningless’ and super-inflated concert ticket prices. Hollywood and the visual media industry has no alternative to music’s live performance, so what is the answer? Even a more realistically priced streaming / downloading alternative will not be able to compete with BTJunkie and the like. Mandelson is the soul-less scum of the earth, but the principle here (I hate to say it) is right.
    The party’s coming to an end folks….
    Oink
    x

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  • http://vpnandusenetreviews.com Anonymous

    Just another reason to get VPN…you know your ISP is getting into bed with media. If they aren’t already sleeping together, they are working out the agreements and details. Best thing you can do is disguise/anonymize your traffic over that ISP so that there is nothing to turn over. Its either that, or continue jumping to ISP after ISP in the hopes that they aren’t also in bed with big media.

    HideMyAss is $11.52/mo.

    iVPN.net actually has working high speed multihop

    Less than $100/yr will get you high speed VPN access on reliable networks, if you go with a decent provider. Take care of your downloads/uploads/browsing/IM/VoIP/etc.

    Whatever you do, don’t kid yourself. Your ISP WILL hand over your personal details. It’s just a matter of time. Either they go to some uncontrollable third party (ala hadopi), or directly to big media themselves, or their lawyers.

    Hand them a pile of encrypted traffic – rather than a hotline to your checking account!

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  • Nothankyou

    Looking for a new ISP? A few to avoid (just google for these search terms…
    Virgin Media : Detica CView
    TalkTalk : STalkSTalk
    BT : BT Webwise / Phorm
    You can read the history and all about the shameful behaviour of these ISPs in the past and today on https://NoDPI.org

    Laws that are never enforced :

    Interception of communication (RIPA 2000 and as amended) – This criminal law will not be enforced by any police service in the UK so long as the offense is being committed by an ISP (they are “immune”)

    Any law which the Information Commissioner is responsible for enforcing. You can be sure that if an ISP breaks a law, the ico will not take action (except slap the ISP softly with a feather)

    It is corrupt. There are clear orders related to all this going on in the background. Mr Meddlesome (not Lord, he can go take a hike) has been bought for nice holidays on yachts and Lord knows what. Corruption through and through. Democracy? I think not sometimes. Transparent government – don’t make me laugh.

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  • Asdf

    Sadly, encrypted communications is the only way to in the future, since many countries seem to be very keen to control what can be seen and read on the net. *Sigh* Internet sure has become a major ‘political’ button now’a'days… One that everyone wants to push.

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    They should have tried to hide it under the pretense of ‘protecting from child porn’ or ‘finding terrorists’. Those schemes manage to get all manner of spying allowed.

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    They should have tried to hide it under the pretense of ‘protecting from child porn’ or ‘finding terrorists’. Those schemes manage to get all manner of spying allowed.

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