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Charity Forced to Pay Copyright Fee So Kids Can Sing Carols

Christmas is known world-wide as a time for sharing, a time for giving. But for one charity, instead of Santa arriving with gifts, the copyright police turned up demanding money. Why? Because the charity allows children to sing carols on the premises and their kitchen radio is a little loud. You couldn’t make it up.

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Be under no illusion, being unlicensed to play music to the public is a very serious situation in the UK. The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 states that if you use copyright music in public, you have to get permission from every single copyright holder to play their music. Or pay a fee to the right outfit.

Car maintenance chain Kwik Fit is currently tied up in a bitter legal battle with the UK Performing Rights Society (PRS). It’s alleged that Kwik Fit’s mechanics allowed their radios to be played within earshot of the public – a truly heinous crime for which the PRS are demanding £200,000 in damages.

According to a report, the PRS are at it again. The staff at a charity also received a visit from a PRS officer who declared that because a staff radio in the kitchen could be overheard by the public in their tea-room, they would need a license. The charity, Dam House, which was originally set up to save a historic building and offer community and health facilities, had to have a fund-raising event to raise the money for the license.

However, having purchased a license, this wasn’t the end of the matter. The PRS then started asking more questions, and when they discovered that kids sing in a carol concert there at Christmas, they declared that the premises were under licensed. Yes, of course – the PRS wanted yet more money.

“We got really worked up when they told us how much we would have to pay this year” said charity trustee, Margaret Hatton. “They asked us what facilities we had and we think they are charging more because they found out we’ve got a function room.”

The next quote from Margaret really speaks for itself – has the world gone mad?

“They told us the only way to avoid paying to sing the carols is if the kids are told to stick to old songs which are out of copyright.”

Next thing you know someone will be saying ‘Happy Birthday‘ is copyrighted and you can’t sing that to the public in the tea-rooms. Well, unfortunately it is, and legally you can’t.

Elaine Hurst, another Dam House trustee explained: “We know the recording artists need to be paid for their work but this is ridiculous.”

Every TV owning family in the UK has to have a UK TV License by law, the proceeds of which go to fund BBC TV and BBC radio stations nationwide. To charge a charity money because the public can overhear a radio is crazy, especially when you consider the public already paid another license to be allowed to listen to the content coming out of its speakers.

Merry Christmas PRS

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  • wtf?

    seriously, wtf?

  • Daniel

    this is insane

  • fester

    I seriously don’t know what to say. I’m from the UK myself and this is messed up. What kind of scrooge threatens a charity for singing carols?
    The whole country is going to the dogs :(

  • hohowhore

    wtf…

    stick to old classics, they are better anyway. it has a realy xmas feeling to it.

    dont watch tv, dont listen to radio. they are just a waste of time (which is their purpose right?)

    but, next thing you know, they will charge you for NOT buying a tv lol.

  • TD123

    I’m so fucking speechless…. pay to sing Christmas carols? Are these fuckers that desperate to protect their fucking artists?

    This is fucking ridiculous. It goes to show that these fuckups don’t give a shit when or what time of the year it is, they just want money.

    [quote]
    The next quote from Margaret really speaks for itself – has the world gone mad?
    [/quote]

    QFT

  • Anonymous

    I wonder who the terrorists are..

  • Elric the Red

    I know this is going to sound bizarre, but I was reading at an oddball website, zeoez.com about a guy named ‘Billy Meir’ who speaks with UFO people from other stars. (this will certainly affect my credibility, oh well ;-( And they claim that President Bush has the UK and every single official in his back pocket either bought and sold or outright intimidation. Supposedly, at the time, Prez Bush briefed Tony Blair about Iraq, what was allowed and not allowed VIA the political worldwide arena. Now I believe it! Apparently the UK suffers copyright paranoia at least as bad as in the states. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the UK, (Especially the ladies) The truth IS out there folks!

  • Peter Green

    Absolutely disgraceful, I hope the members of the P.R.S (and anyone else of the some mentality) have a really CRAP Christmas… for the rest of their stinking, no-good, money grabbing lives!

  • The 2nd Middle Age

    What sort of people are these that do such things? Do they come from outer space or from special breeding facilities? It seems as if they never had a family.

    In past history people never liked those who go around and collect money and it is still the same today. Not the people have to adjust to it but the system needs to be changed. The money needs to come from elsewhere and not the public. It seems that whenever money needs to be collected from the public it brings out the worst kind of human. People who do not care about others and only go for the money. These people are on the rise world wide as if we are about to go into a second Middle Age. Is this the start of a new Middle Age and can we not just skip it?

  • Anonymous

    Way to go PRS.

  • el

    “but, next thing you know, they will charge you for NOT buying a tv lol.”

    In North America, this is already happening in a way. The subsidies that TV-makers and consumer electronics corporations get acts as a way of funneling money (through corporate tax breaks, corporate welfare, etc) to these big companies. So even if you don’t buy a TV, your taxes are still going towards them.

  • TP

    It’s perhaps the most outrageous, and the most insane, if not inane, thing to do. What happened? Uncle Scrooge now wants to copyright your childhood?

    This is really, really idiotic.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="235059"]but, next thing you know, they will charge you for NOT buying a tv lol.[/quote]

    People from the TV liscensing place came round to my friends house with a search warrant because they didn’t believe he doesn’t have a tv.

  • VolucrisAquila

    I guess that Charles Dickens was really foretelling the future of England’s PRS corporation: Oh! Profitable Representative Scrooge.

    It’s a shame that big company “Society’s” have no ethical values anymore. All they care about is $$$$. Moreover, they use “legal laws” to steal from society. They talk on behalf of artists, and yet the CEOs of these companies make more money than the artists who toiled to give birth to the artistic products that the public in society really enjoy and admire. Big company’s don’t give a damn about the artists which they hypocritically claim to represent. They just give a damn about making themselves more profitable $$$. They are grown-up child bullies. They go after the smaller children. And, unfortunately, politicians and judicial systems are the prostitutes of Big Companie$, instead of the individual voting public. After all, these Big Companie$ provide the funds for the politicians so they can $ucce$$fully run in their shameless election$.

  • Box of shot gun slugs

    Kmon peeps all around the world NEED TOO FIGHT BACK.
    RESIST THEM WITH ALL YOUR BEING!!!!!
    There are MORE of us then there is of them.
    Why the hell hasn’t a crowd gathered and marched on all these political establishments,and PHYSICALLY REMOVE theses pompous ass politicians from office.Kmon people im sick of soloing cops,back a brother up please.
    LIBERTY OR DEATH!!!!!
    Death is looking like the only option as time goes on.

  • David

    So they need a license because radio was to loud? WTF radio is already broadcast to the public. I thought the US was bad looks like the UK is right there with us

  • PatriotX

    Damn those criminals, will they never learn :P

  • whacky

    this seems to be totaly rediculous..
    i think the PRS has gone mad..
    Shameless people demand money even for charity events where the performers are kids who dont even know about the patents…

  • Pantman

    They are deliberately going for a weak “do gooder” that will bow down to them (notice how they actually got a license for the radio when they were told to).

    They’re not doing it for the money, they are doing it for publicity. They want the world to see what they are doing to scare the people who download into stopping.

    I am involved with a church that does public singing. Most churches pay a set fee per year to be able to sing copyrighted songs. The fee is determined on the basis of congregation size. We will never ever pay. Period. If they ever ask, they’ll have to take us to court.

    I am convinced their understanding of the law is wrong and that the way they administer the system is illegal.

    What we need is for them to target someone who will stand up to them. Then, when they inevitably back down (as bullies tend to do when confronted), match them on the “use the media to educate the public” front, explaining that the reason they are not taking you to court is because they have no case.

    Sure they we will never win the war, but they are winning the media battle currently.

  • scrooge

    if any kids come singing carols at my house this christmas i am gonna make them pay me for listening to their crappy songs

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="235089"]I thought the US was bad looks like the UK is right there with us[/quote]
    And I thought Bush and Blair were twins??

  • Karogas

    Utter Disgrace as a resident of the UK i fully intend to lodge a formal complaint disgusting

  • papa47

    This just seems like a bad joke.

  • Strad

    A further erosion of tradition and culture.
    Makes you wonder who is really threatening our freedoms.

  • Papers

    Makes me fucking sick what these people are doing.

  • Atticus Finch

    I find it _incredibly_ ironic that their name is PRS. If you know your acronyms, this can also stand for public relations. What a bunch of self-serving idiots.

    And what an awful PR stunt. I wouldn’t doubt that they’ll be shamed pretty badly if a reliable news source publicizes this.

    And I bet it won’t be BBC.

  • chris

    the sad part is u couldnt make this crap up if u tried but its all so so freaking true

  • Brian

    Typical. In todays day and age, they aren’t happy unless the middle guy gets the shaft and the rich get richer.

  • Deimon

    Insane shit.

  • Hustlerco

    [quote comment="235123"]the sad part is u couldnt make this crap up if u tried but its all so so freaking true[/quote]
    couldn’t agree more![quote comment="235124"]Typical. In todays day and age, they aren’t happy unless the middle guy gets the shaft and the rich get richer.[/quote]
    QFT!

  • Dio

    Ridiculous. If this continues, we won’t be able to tell any word without being sued or buying a license to talk.

    “After saying ‘Happy New Year!’ entire world had been sued by PRS.”

  • Max

    Actually the Happy Birthday song is copyrighted and you need to pay royalties for public use.

  • ywgflyer

    That would be met with a great big “fuck off” if they tried to shake me down for that. Honestly, that’s about the most insane thing I’ve heard all week.

    I’ve probably said it before, but I’ll say it again. Every single stupid case like this needs to be settled on Judge Judy. I’d pay to watch that.

  • CJ

    Same shit happens in Finland.

  • Copyright 4 Life

    Next we will copyright whistling, humming, and drumming on various objects. We are pursuing a lawsuit against the little drummer boy, as his drumming could be heard just outside of the manjor. It’s about time these kids pay up; they have been freeloading way too long. Christmas isn’t about the Jesus, it’s about copyright infringement, and egg nog.
    -Festivus for the Rest of us.

  • aXXoFanUK

    Is it April the first?

  • Anonymous

    So this is what the mafia does now…

  • FFS

    our great country britain… Shove the place..

    I make one rule, for every normal person that gets fukked over i will TORRENT 20 more till this shit stops.

    *ASHAMED* to be called english.

    BTW thats MY car radio u can hear & i WILL be charging u PRS for Battery power & then suing you INVASION of PRIVACY u nosey mofo`s.

    PS HAPPY BIRTHDAY to any whose birthday it is.

    SUE ME fukkers, i`m game…

  • dcs

    If anything this happening just gives the bt community more reason to keep on fighting cause it seems that we are the only ones trying to do something about greedy “copyright” holders from milking the public for every last cent that it has to offer.

  • ArAsh

    OMG! They are sick to their minds! Sound of a radio in a charity is heard by the poor kids? So fucking what?! Have some respect God damn you people!

  • mhhh

    that is so fucked up

  • Satan Claws

    [quote comment="235084"]It’s a shame that big company “Society’s” have no ethical values anymore. All they care about is $$$$.[/quote]

    The Corporation as Psychopath

    It’s Dr. Robert Hare’s latest contribution to the public awareness of “corporate psychopathy.” He appeared in the 2003 documentary The Corporation, giving authority to the film’s premise that corporations are “sociopathic” (a synonym for “psychopathic”) because they ruthlessly seek their own selfish interests — “shareholder value” — without regard for the harms they cause to others, such as environmental damage.

    http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/96/open_boss.html

    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0218-01.htm

  • Pistol

    That’s so disgraceful!

  • Anonymous

    Jesus Christ! What the fuck?! Oh my GOD!!!

  • octave

    never underestimate humans and their greed.

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  • BlanK

    I think everyone should go to the people of PRS’s houses on Christmas Day at midnight, and take a shit in their chimneys… Coal would work well too, but you know that’s expensive and they’ll find a way to make money off of it. Make sure you eat a lot of prunes that night guys!

  • Morel

    And this is why I’ll never buy another CD EVER.

    If you really want to support the band, buy a Tee-shirt, go to a concert, they get alot more money from that anyways.

    Also tell your friends about the unknown band that you love but isn’t well known.

    SCREW the Record Companies!!!

  • Shadow

    So according to their logic… when I’m stuck in traffic in the summer with the radio on and the window down I should be paying royalties?

    fuck off PRS…

  • Pocoloco

    OMG. the sound of a radio is heard by people!?
    Well, they would have heard the exactly same thing in their own radio if they had been at home. Is it now illegal to listen on a neighboors radio?

  • yo momma

    FUCK! The motherfuckin copyright assholes strike again! God dammit! Fuck this!

  • dumb

    this is def better than Halo 3!

  • grainofsand

    The minds of some men need to be reprogrammed

  • The Last Straw

    Absolutely pathetic. Yet another attempt by HM Government to extort hard earned from the hard earners.

    I’d emigrate, but for the fact that everywhere else is heading down similar (and in some cases, worse) paths.

    This is making my blood boil…

  • Wanker

    [quote comment="235212"]I think everyone should go to the people of PRS’s houses on Christmas Day at midnight, and take a shit in their chimneys… Coal would work well too, but you know that’s expensive and they’ll find a way to make money off of it. Make sure you eat a lot of prunes that night guys![/quote]

    What?? And risk hitting Santa?

  • The Last Straw

    Oh, and another thing. The PRS has really been on the rampage with this over the past few months – they’ve telephoned my workplace on at least 4 occasions that I’m aware of (I answered the phone…), despite the fact that we don’t even have a radio on the premises…

  • Mike

    I guess the PRS and the rest of the music industry doesn’t care what they look like. With this they might as well have taken a Public Relation bullet to the head. Attacking a charity, you can’t get much lower.

  • Conglomeration

    As a spokesperson for the Oxford dictionary it is now illegal for any word within our covers to be used in public without paying royalties to us. Happy holidays.

  • Max Hawkins

    I am embarrassed of my country now.

    Thank you, P.R.S.

  • hiro81

    MAFiAA at work. Nothing to see here, move along..

  • judd

    happy birthday happy birthday happy birthday what can i say this world has gone mad its really unthinkable what ever next Martians have landed…run for your lives….

  • HA

    And after all this complaining… I wonder how many people will purchase CDs for themselves or others this holiday season.

    The only way to stop these people is to stop paying for their offerings TOTALLY, which will never happen.

  • anne

    Fuck the PRS

  • John Doe

    News Flash!!! P.R.S Sue’s the World for shouting “Happy New Year!!” at 12:00 the first of jan 2008… that is my first prediction the next is News Flash!!! P.R.S Sues the world again with the help of oxford dictionary for using the words contained in the dictionary… whats next PRS are you gonna copy right breathing too ?

  • James.

    I now own the copyright to the english alphabet. You all have to pay me.

    I’ll settle for just a low, $100 per day otherwise I WILL charge you and you WILL get jail time.

    Thank you for supporting Capitalism.

  • steve

    I call them what I call the RIAA. “Music Nazis”. You now see why.

  • Anonymous

    how low can these assholes sink…

    [quote comment="235278"]And after all this complaining… I wonder how many people will purchase CDs for themselves or others this holiday season.

    The only way to stop these people is to stop paying for their offerings TOTALLY, which will never happen.[/quote]

    i agree, don’t give away any dvds or cds, share them instead

  • liberty

    the more i read about england, the more the ‘nanny state’ title fits. it really is starting to sound like 1933-1937 germany.

  • Fuckingbastards

    Fucking retarded motherfuckers! It’s thing’s like this that make me sick!

    Fucking bastards!

  • Cliff

    Actually the words to “Happy Birthday” ARE already copyrighted in the United States. That’s why you don’t hear it sung in dining establishments anymore.

  • 3z3

    This has to be some extremely belated April Fools Joke, right? If nothing else, they’re a god damned charity!

    Here’s a brief list of popular Christmas Songs that I’ve heard at school and charity recitals (these are under copyright, so make sure to report these bastards to the RIAA for not supporting the capitalist pig… record labe… starving artists: (source: http://www.apra.com.au/music-users/ChristmasSongsList.asp)

    All I Want for Christmas is my Two Front Teeth
    All I Want for Christmas is You
    Do You Hear What I Hear?
    Frosty the Snow Man
    Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas
    Here Comes Santa Claus
    I’ll Be Home for Christmas
    I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus
    It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas
    It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year
    Jingle-Bell Rock
    Little Drummer Boy
    Let it Snow, Let it Snow, Let it Snow
    Silver Bells
    Rockin’ Around the Christmas Tree
    Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer

    … and many more, for only $21.95!!!

    ORDER NOW!!!, or I’ll fucking sue you, DAMNIT!

    What a sad state of affairs. If I go over to GB, I’m going to have a ghetto blaster blaring in London I go, then tell PRS POS asshats to shove their license up their ass. (now that makes me wonder, if breakdancers are scarce because they were broadcasting copy written hip-hop sans license?)

    Whatever, they’re pressing people because Christmas is not about community, or family, or that glowing feeling you get when Mom brings out the Turkey to the awaiting guests, it’s about fucking profits.

    That’s it! no one gets a present this year, download your own! Shoplift Christmas CDs and then give them to the homeless to use as coasters for their liquor of choice.

    I’m off to go beat a Santa Clause to death with a Coke Bottle now to cool off.

  • jt

    turn off your radio, cell phone and tv.

    DO NOT attend concerts or purchase a cd unless you know for a fact it is an independent.

    A sorry looking quarter report is the only thing these greedy F!!!s understand.

  • WM

    Happy Birthday is copyrighted in the U.S., but it’s probably not LEGALLY copyrighted there. In the life+50 universe, which is most of the world, and the life+70 universe, which is about a quarter of the world, Happy Birthday is public domain.

  • Anon

    Why dont these assholes get a REAL job? Stop fucking with people doing good deeds.

  • Choupon

    you know why the music nazi’s care so much? its not the artists salaries its their own. they have to pay for their coke parties, 5 star business lunches, and private jets to impress new talent

  • sheeple

    Pay up and do as you’re told. Don’t make me come over there.

  • riaaheadhunter

    I advocate severe and irreparable bodily harm on the RIAA and PRS.

    But no, really, I would be more supportive of advocating artists’ rights and copyrights if they didn’t have asshats like the PRS behind them. These people are the epitomy of filth.

  • markie

    Picking on a charity. What a low fucking act. I’d never thought I’d see the day when somebody does something good for charity only to get fucked over by the PRS.

  • Brittabat

    I just need to stop reading the news, period.

    The world seems to get worse every day.

  • Disgusted

    This organization needs to be put in their place, disbanded and ridden out of town on a rail. The RIAA are a bunch of losers and should be ashamed of themselves.

  • TotalW

    Bunch of sobs, they need to get a life!

  • GobSmacked

    Boycott the bastards. The fastest way to get to the psychopaths that run these out of control juggernauts is to hit them in the bloody wallet.

    Just stop buying music and other services that they offer, look for alternatives and go independent.

    The only way to express your collective rage at this obviously idiotic behaviour is to cut off their life line: money.

    While we can hope that the legal system would simply toss out a suit like this there are sitting judges and lawyers who are just as amoral as the PRS and and the RIAA; which incidentally aren’t the only corporations to behave in this completely anti-social fashion.

    Consider that if you behaved in the same way on a personal level as the PRS you’d find yourself under observation and most certainly without friends. You’d be rightly classified a nutter.

    So, just say no. Look for your music elsewhere and give the bastards nothing.

  • BillIsGay

    Fuck Them!!! Fuck UK !!! And most of all Fuck all THE UK LAWS AND UK LAWYERS !!!!.

    ——————-
    All I Want for Christmas is my Two Front TITS
    All I Want for Christmas is FUCK You
    Do You Hear What I Hear ( FUCKING DEF)?
    Frosty the HORNY Snow Man
    Have Yourself a Merry Little DICK
    Here Comes NAKED Santa Claus
    I’ll Be DRUNK for Christmas
    I Saw Mommy FUCKING Santa Claus
    It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like HELL ( IN THE UK )
    It’s the Most RIDICULOUS Time of the Year ( IN THE UK AGAIN )
    Jingle-BALLS FUCK
    Little FUCKER Boy
    Let it SHOW Let it SHOW, Let it SHOW
    Silver BALLS
    FUCKIN’ Around the Christmas Tree
    Rudolph the Red BUTT Reindeer
    ——————————-

    Sing it fuckers!!!!

  • Dr. Copyright

    Finally someone has the nerve to stand up to these charitable foundations. There’s no telling of the hundreds of millions of pounds they have stolen from hard working (although dead) artists like Bing Crosby. Just think if we can begin to tax every charity event! The world owes us a lot of back payment.

  • Damon

    I wonder how long before they charge people to have ringtones, that can be heard in public. I best not fart in tune for fear of fines

  • Manny

    Word!

  • James.

    What a scam hey.. Coyright everything you can people.. Looks like it’s the biggest scam going to make money for doing nothing, and it’s legal and the politicians love it, because they get kickbacks as well.

    I’m looking into copyright now, see what i can copyright to take part of this scam and make some cash.

  • babak

    blood sucking sons of bitches

  • Kmuzu

    This happened before to a girl church camp for singing something like “If I had a hammer”. Their answer was to go to RIAA headquarters, all the nine year old girls locked arms and sang church songs. As the news cameras were videoing the protest, the girls begged the police to arrest them. You can imagine how fast the RIAA dropped the lawsuit.

    The lesson – Don’t screw around with nine year girls on their home turf.

  • th3lonius

    I would like to say “What the fucking hell?!”, but really I’m not at all surprised. Civil liberties mean little, if anything, to the powers that be. This is just another ridiculous example (in a long procession) of legislation that clearly resents our liberties.

  • bubbakush

    shit makes my blood boil!

  • Bob P

    When you purchase sheet music (at least in the states), part of the fee is a royalty fee for the copyright owner. That should take care of any fees for the singing. They have already banned American football games broadcast in venues where an admission fee is charged (eg. party at a Hotel/Casino). Haven’t gotten around to radio in the office yet here, but that will probably be next since it is now playing in Great Britian.

  • Anonymous

    This is what happens when your guns are taken away.

    Trust me, Here in the Great Empire (of America) that twit from the RIAA woulda been DOA straight away. :D

  • Anonymous

    Disgusting. Fucking coportaions. THey already got millions but is that enough? NO lets go rob the little children who sing CRISTMAS CAROLS!

    THis makes me want to barf!

  • bill

    look you ridiculous sounding people, there is absolutely no point in swearing and cursing on this post, no-one is listening, certainly not at PRS Berners Street, london W1 where i used to work. They don’t care, are not interested in your views, and whatever you say, whatever you do or threaten is meaningless to them.It never has worried them and never will, and of course don’t forget if they don’t get you then phonographic performance or some other collection agency authorised by the artists through their record companies, will! We have all been mugs for so long and just let these things happen, so what DO you expect if PRS etc take it to the limit? Believe me they do not find it all strange or bizarre to be doing what they do! Have a nice day!

  • jdl

    Britain used to be a cool place…I remember it as the anti-US back in the ’80s. I’d shoot across the Atlantic to loosen up and truly have some fun. Back then, the States were uptight and the Brits knew how to have a good time.

    Now? Eh…both sides of the ocean are so totally petty, and this is just one more case. UK is going to the dogs, it is.

  • Heiroglyphics

    OMG I feel sick now…I’ve actually thought of this as a complete joke before…

  • Dan

    Is the PRS the UK equivalent of the RIAA? It definately seems like the same sleezeball tactics those morons would use. Instead of going after real violators who pull down thousands of files, they’re going after granny, the charity group, and maybe even a church.

    There needs to be a revolution regarding artists’ rights.

  • markie

    [quote comment="235544"]look you ridiculous sounding people, there is absolutely no point in swearing and cursing on this post, no-one is listening, certainly not at PRS Berners Street, london W1 where i used to work. They don’t care, are not interested in your views, and whatever you say, whatever you do or threaten is meaningless to them.It never has worried them and never will, and of course don’t forget if they don’t get you then phonographic performance or some other collection agency authorised by the artists through their record companies, will! We have all been mugs for so long and just let these things happen, so what DO you expect if PRS etc take it to the limit? Believe me they do not find it all strange or bizarre to be doing what they do! Have a nice day![/quote]
    So you think it is ok for people from the PRS to take money from charities. People less fortunate then you. People that swear are just as angry as I am in reading a story like this. So you should leave them alone. It is just there point of view. And also if you worked there someone must be listing.

  • Anonymous

    sick bastards should be shot

  • Flooperman

    Scrooge is alive! Bah! Humbug!

  • Jasper van Weerd

    Really insane.

  • rarajdearnsaaben

    OMFG. oh well. Something similar happened to our business as well. Some PRS dude came and said that we were playing music too loudly and everyone could hear it. This was classical music that was in the open domain mind you.
    So I told him to fuck off. He told me to expect a lawsuit, so I gave him an “address to resolve this dispute.” It so happens I know a few gang-bangers that I helped out a while back. So no one’s gonna see that dipshit ever again.

  • Damn

    People like PRS/RIAA/MPAA and so on are going to burn in hell for the things that they do.

    They ruin people all in the name of dollars and cents.

  • minime

    They are some really sick fuckers!
    Is there a patent on “HO HO HO”?
    HO HO HO and Marry Christmas assholes…

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  • Scrooge McDuckie

    I used to run a small shop and one day I recieved a letter from the PRS (addressed to the previous owner) demanding money if (IF!) I played a radio on the premises.

    It went on to explain that the artists would suffer by my actions if I did not pay and ended in a very threatening manner telling me that I could end up with a criminal record if I did not pay up.

    I threw the (fishing for money) letter away assuming that they sent these out to everyone. I never heared from them again.

    They are only picking on Quick Fit because it is a medium size business with enough cash to exploit. Quick Fit will probably pay up just to avoid the bad press!

  • Rik

    This is absolutely ludicrous.

    So long as the public lets them get away with it, they will continue to find every reason possible to squeeze you for a penny. We discovered that here in the US when the banks abruptly started charging basically for everything but walking in the door.

    In the 60s and 70s, cassette tape recorders appeared and folks taped their favorite songs from radios and the newly developed, portable stereo, to play in their newly developed car tape player. Kids made copies of song and exchanged them with friends. Tired, in the 70s, of buying an entire album for one or two songs, they created their own mixes, especially when stereo systems included easy to use dubbing devices.

    The record companies didn’t learn. The still shoved out albums packed with rotten songs — especially after doing away with the ‘single.’ (You could buy a record with one good song on one side and an off song on the other for about $0.98.) When they pushed through the CD technology, making recordings got cheaper, but the record industry jacked the shelf prices up.

    I mean, the stores are full of recording technology that is absolutely legal. What did they think you were going to do with all of that stuff? Buy it as a paper weight? If the technology is legal, then songs played to the public ought to be free so long as you are not a commercial enterprise specifically created to broadcast news, information and songs.

    In my opinion, with the computer technology we have today, upload from your CD player, burn CDs and give them out to your friends so they don’t have to buy the recordings since the record companies are being idiots. Tweak the songs a bit with a free or inexpensive recording program and you might make the thing better than the original.

    Just wait. Some hacker will crack the iPod codes that limit the time you can keep downloaded songs and you’ll be able to not only have them indefinitely, but dump them onto your computer and burn them to disk.

    See, you keep goading the public and they’ll fight back.

  • Monster_mack

    Weird shit, I don’t know what to believe. It could be an isolated incident or maybe this is just the beginning of “isolated incidents”.
    Anyway, it is messed up, it’s like taking law to the extreme. Welcome Big brother.

  • Monster_mack

    Btw, what the fuck, it doesn’t make sense. So if you’re listening to music in your car one must have lisence?

  • Flooperman

    [quote comment="235630"]Is there a patent on “HO HO HO”?[/quote]

    No, but it’s offensive and derogatory …

    http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2628317.html?menu=

  • Wwhat

    Hmm, so if I get this right Prince/TAFKAP has moved to britain and got a job with the PRS? strange :x

  • awesty

    Holy shit! What bastards!

    You mean those kids didn’t pay the multimillionaire record companies royalties? They deserve to get locked up.

    But seriously… Why are people so obsessed with money these days.

    The law is so stupid as well. It should be flexible so stuff like this doesn’t happen.

  • gordon clown

    Right then perhap now they can go after those wankers who drive round the 30mph zone all evening with their shite music blaring out loud enough to hear beyond the rattling of the piece of shit car.
    thought not.

    this is what 10 years of a labour government does to britain.
    fucking destroys it and takes the money and runs.
    last month we had the courts rule its “illegal” to employ british doctors first then EU then Non – EU doctors.
    despite the fact the government pays 100k for every doctor to be trained, we have to employ fucking foriegners eqaully as much as uk citizens.

    its all bullshit.
    what other country would stand for that.

  • TK

    Write to them and complain – the more we complain the more it will have an impact. Also, write to your MP.

    For the PRS I think the contact page is http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk

    For your MP try writetothem.com

    Remember – this is nothing to do with the Labour government – copyright extensions into infinity, daft licensing requirements, making CDs that don’t play properly – that’s all the music industry itself and the fact that there are more important things on your MP’s radar – write to them and it will change.

    In Shakespeare’s time there was NO copyright and the arts were really good – now we have copyright most of it is c**p … go figure.

    What we really need is a MONTH of action by the general public and a campaign site to support it. Ten claims for public freedom re. music and films, one month of not buying their products, and one month of lobbying MPs.

  • Anonymous

    go fuck you, PRS

  • minime

    [quote comment="235658"][quote comment="235630"]Is there a patent on “HO HO HO”?[/quote]

    No, but it’s offensive and derogatory …

    http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2628317.html?menu=/quote

    Yes apparently! I wonder when all words are patented and we have to use Sign Language to communicate…..?

    I want freedom of speech, I want to be able to take a shit on the street if i feel like it, sing, hear, speak, every-fucking thing i want! You have to kill me before you get that changed in my head, you mother fuckers!

  • OmegaWolf747

    I don’t understand how this can apply to Christmas carols. Aren’t these centuries-old songs public domain? Also, didn’t the radio stations already pay royalties to broadcast copyrighted music? How can it be legal for the PRS to go after people just for playing radios in public? Could someone with their car radio or boom box blasting be charged?

  • KScott

    What I don’t get is that so many people think these morons are nuts. It’s obviously a very small amount of crazy people making up these rules as they go along. How long will it be before someone stands up and says “enough” and let common sense reign free again.

  • riaasuxdix

    phuk the riaa!

  • ???

    okay this is seriously,,, I don’t even know how to describe it! it’s kinda funny though (and sad at the same time)… they should plug this into a christmas comedy movie or something….
    i mean seriously.. what the fuck is wrong with these people?

  • strange

    Guess our only hope is a open Music/Movies Movement… do it for the love of the Art… you support what u love not what they tell you u will like, wouldn’t need a license to play that so RIAA and MPAA can go FTS!

  • Blow Up in the Dust

    This is sick! Greedy pervert assfuckers! Call mafia to kill the bastards.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously??! This is outright ridiculous! WTF PRS?

  • vampiricrogue

    sadly, little do they know, “happy birthday” IS copyrighted. By Michael Jackson.

  • vampiricrogue (again)

    [quote comment="235816"][quote comment="235658"][quote comment="235630"]Is there a patent on “HO HO HO”?[/quote]

    No, but it’s offensive and derogatory …

    http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2628317.html?menu=/quote

    Yes apparently! I wonder when all words are patented and we have to use Sign Language to communicate…..?

    I want freedom of speech, I want to be able to take a shit on the street if i feel like it, sing, hear, speak, every-fucking thing i want! You have to kill me before you get that changed in my head, you mother fuckers![/quote]

    If they had any sense, they would actually realize that the word “hoe” is what is the real offensive word, and not “ho.” But then again, common sense really is hard to find now and days now isn’t it?

    hoe
    1. A skank
    2. A woman that is too loose in the booty.
    3. Woman or man that fuck anything with two legs.
    4. A promiscuous person.syn: slut

    ho
    A word Santa Clause says three times when he sees your wife, mother and sister together in the same room.
    Ho, Ho, Ho Merry Christmas!

  • Shogun

    WTF. Picking on childrens for singing on a charity.
    What’s next? I’m gonna pay my next fart?

  • ural

    Sure…YOu’ll have to pay for your fart.
    They have the copyright to it.

    But if your fart doesn’t make any sound,youre okay.
    If your fart makes a sound and no one hears,you’re okay.
    But if your Fart makes a sound and someone hears,there will be it:
    http://www.braintree.gov.uk/Braintree/business/licensing/PerformingRightsSociety.htm

  • maximus

    april 1st !?!

  • Scrooge

    [quote comment="235244"]As a spokesperson for the Oxford dictionary it is now illegal for any word within our covers to be used in public without paying royalties to us. Happy holidays.[/quote]

    I kniht taht I evah tsuj thguoht fo a yaw ot tnevmucric ruoy thgirypoc. yppaH syadiloH.

  • TonInter

    Good thing that the copyright laws don’t apply here, in Macedonia, otherwise I’d have to blow them to pieces. :-S Seriously, like “126″ said, sooner or later, we’ll have to pay so that we can make a sound when we fart… this is stupid.

  • Satan Claws Ho, Ho, Ho

    “Changing Images of Man predicts an American economic collapse and a “garrison” (police) state,” if the overwhelming inequities of our economic system are not corrected by powerful multinationals making more humane decisions. Alternatives to this doomsday scenario are discussed, all of which point to the need to devote all available resources towards transforming the image of man, changing man’s nature, instead of altering the corrupted economic system which has brought America to this dire state. In this government study it was inappropriate to denounce the evil culprits behind all our troubles (who pull the strings on government itself), even though the task was to document and remedy the damage that they have done. Instead, they are cited as the hopeful “saviors,” that we should look to for help and leadership. The hypocrisy of the hegemons!”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7577

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="235066"]Absolutely disgraceful, I hope the members of the P.R.S (and anyone else of the some mentality) have a really CRAP Christmas… for the rest of their stinking, no-good, money grabbing lives![/quote]

    Henry VI, (part 2)
    ——————-
    “The first thing we do, we kill all the lawyers.”
    William Shakespeare

  • Shakespeare Indicated

    [quote comment="235066"]Absolutely disgraceful, I hope the members of the P.R.S (and anyone else of the some mentality) have a really CRAP Christmas… for the rest of their stinking, no-good, money grabbing lives![/quote]

    Henry VI, (part 2)
    ——————-
    “The first thing we do, we kill all the lawyers.”
    William Shakespeare

  • Shakespeare Indicated

    [quote comment="235240"]I guess the PRS and the rest of the music industry doesn’t care what they look like. With this they might as well have taken a Public Relation bullet to the head. Attacking a charity, you can’t get much lower.[/quote]

    Sure you can!!! You can go after a)orphans, b)widows, c)grandmas, and d)dead people – just ask the mafIAA!!!

  • bryanskrantz

    holy mother of fucking god. I am ashamed that some group like the PRS can go to a CHARITY and threaten to SUE A BUNCH OF KIDS for crying out loud! seriously if that ever happened to me here in the states I’d say go fuck yourself and slam the door. then play the music even louder! how DARE they threaten to sue a charity!

  • bryanskrantz

    (sorry for double posting)

    Society need to take a long hard look at themselves. are the PRS really that desperate for attention that they have to resort to these despicable acts? this really makes me sick. you all can thank the good people of a dying age for all of this. I’m surprised nobody has been sued for singing happy birthday. or no wait here’s a better one. SUE NBC or FOX or ANY OF THE TELEVISIONS FOR SINGING AUD LANG ZYNE (however you spell that).SHIT

  • Rusty

    They don’t get anything from ME!

    I get what few CDs I DO buy at Goodwill or Salvation Army (at least I know that money is going to a good cause!)

  • new0ne

    It really is time for revolution… these capitalists, who always try to increase their earning have to get stopped… I mean this really is freaking insane… Maybe its their right… but does that mean its ethical correct?

  • Shakespeare Indicated

    [quote comment="235544"]look you ridiculous sounding people, there is absolutely no point in swearing and cursing on this post, no-one is listening, certainly not at PRS Berners Street, london W1 where i used to work. They don’t care, are not interested in your views, and whatever you say, whatever you do or threaten is meaningless to them.It never has worried them and never will, and of course don’t forget if they don’t get you then phonographic performance or some other collection agency authorised by the artists through their record companies, will! We have all been mugs for so long and just let these things happen, so what DO you expect if PRS etc take it to the limit? Believe me they do not find it all strange or bizarre to be doing what they do! Have a nice day![/quote]

    Actually, because this is an excellent p2p news source, which is publicly available, monitored ~non-stop, or at least daily, by the appropriate mafIAA departments. We might convert some of the humans in them (an expose publication sent here and to the CBC [canada] BBC [britain] CBS [states] and AP [international] would be nice); and we might not.
    But mark my words, the data on this site is meticulously, and professionally, being monitored.

    P.S. – That’s why people get pissed when others openly speak about tracker invites and the Scene, etc.

  • bryanskrantz

    [quote comment="236230"]It really is time for revolution… these capitalists, who always try to increase their earning have to get stopped… I mean this really is freaking insane… Maybe its their right… but does that mean its ethical correct?[/quote]

    Its bad business is what it is. what this group is claiming to be doing is its fighting for the “rights” of the “artist”. this is an example of a public policy gone extremely the opposite of what was its intention

  • cc

    the world has gone mad

  • Wacko Kid

    ..Mafia ?
    ..Protection money ?
    ..organised extortion ?

    Spot the difference !

  • Wacko Kid

    Idea.

    1:Get a load of people to gather outside the offices of the PRS in London..
    2:Alert the media in advance
    3:Everyone sing some (pre-arranged) copywrighted songs outside their offices(A very Public Place)

    If you are talking about 100-200 people doing this alll together..what are they going to do ? sue us ?

  • James.

    [quote comment="236280"]Idea.

    1:Get a load of people to gather outside the offices of the PRS in London..
    2:Alert the media in advance
    3:Everyone sing some (pre-arranged) copywrighted songs outside their offices(A very Public Place)

    If you are talking about 100-200 people doing this alll together..what are they going to do ? sue us ?[/quote]

    Great Idea!

  • Anonymous

    so how do all the DJ’s make it in the UK? Am I going to get sued for singing the Beatles as I walk down the street. Oh, lets say I meet a few people on the street and we break into a doowop (sp) of “Who do fools fall in love?”. Someone trying to sue me for that would seriously get murdered by words. Rappers ain’t got nuthin on me.

    What the hell is happening to people?

  • 1337 hax0r c0d0

    boo! stupid n00bs!

  • Rick Dublin

    I really enjoy playing “I Wanna Fuck Myself” by GG Allin really loud at stoplights. Does that count?

    I pull my pud until it bleeds
    I masturbate on toilet seats
    Girls can’t give me the satisfaction
    I fuck my fist to the rage of passion

    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    Fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself

    I like the way it fits in my hand
    Feel the cum through my burning head
    I like to fly it on my chest
    I fuck myself ’cause I’m the best

    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    Fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    And no one else

    I love myself
    I wanna fuck myself

    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself

    I beat myself until I’m raw
    Come and come ’till there’s no more
    My hand is my favorite whore
    Stick my finger up my ass, beat it some more

    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    Fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself
    And no one else
    And no one else
    I wanna fuck myself
    I wanna fuck myself

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  • and by

    the parasites will kill the host.

  • Why?!? That’s just grotesque!

    To Rick Dublin:
    that is a disgusting song; I do not even consider it to be a song. I’m sorry, sure I like socially unacceptable music, but it tends to redeem itself by proclaiming _why_ it is socially unacceptable; it acknowledges the fact, then explains itself [ie, "you all got raped by the TV and TV got raped by the FCC"; there does exist an element of valid social comment in there].

    But honestly, those lyrics are disgusting to the point of causing readers of this post to discontinue reading subsequent comments, and that really is quite detrimental to the dialogue on this news story.

    I am actually tempted to call you a subversive agent favoring the opposition; you post an un-called for string of filth, contribute nothing to the intelligent discourse of the thread (whatever your opinion on the news-story is, so be it), and you attack the continued readability of the thread.

    Honestly, Mr. Rick Dublin, if you have an opinion pertinent to “Charity Forced to Pay Copyright Police So Kids Can Sing Christmas Songs”, please by all means do so, from whatever perspective you choose; I look forward to it.

    But stop the _un-necessary_ posting of filth.

  • anonymous coward

    [quote comment="235640"]I used to run a small shop and one day I recieved a letter from the PRS (addressed to the previous owner) demanding money if (IF!) I played a radio on the premises.

    It went on to explain that the artists would suffer by my actions if I did not pay and ended in a very threatening manner telling me that I could end up with a criminal record if I did not pay up.

    I threw the (fishing for money) letter away assuming that they sent these out to everyone. I never heared from them again.

    They are only picking on Quick Fit because it is a medium size business with enough cash to exploit. Quick Fit will probably pay up just to avoid the bad press![/quote]
    This sounds like what you would read in a Ray Bradbury novel.

  • Andrew

    The PRS makes baby Jesus cry…

  • oneplusone

    Talk about theft of intellectual property. WOW. And by that I mean: The PRS should be taken to task for robbing society of it’s common sense.

  • oneplusone

    [quote comment="236230"]It really is time for revolution… these capitalists, who always try to increase their earning have to get stopped… I mean this really is freaking insane… Maybe its their right… but does that mean its ethical correct?[/quote]

    Doesn’t it seem that the more people removed themselves from the river of cash the media gloms have enjoyed until now, the less they realize why?

    The beast will poison itself before long.

  • oneplusone

    [quote comment="236753"][quote comment="236230"]It really is time for revolution… these capitalists, who always try to increase their earning have to get stopped… I mean this really is freaking insane… Maybe its their right… but does that mean its ethical correct?[/quote]

    Doesn’t it seem that the more people removed themselves from the river of cash the media gloms have enjoyed until now, the less they realize why?

    The beast will poison itself before long.[/quote]

    I meant the less the gloms will realize why.

  • miko

    They must need more money to wipe their asses with. Greedy pricks!!!

  • Jon

    I’m gettin’ close to giving up on this country …

  • Andy Wendt

    That GG Allin song is as retarded as the UK copyright law.

  • Anonymous

    makes me sick

  • nekteo

    That’s my friends, is bullshit

  • abigsmurf

    Your article is incorrect. The majority of radio stations in the UK receive no licence fee and are privately owned commercial stations. Only BBC stations receive licence fees.

    The charity has paid nothing for the music they’re piping through the cafe and are using to make money. Just like they’re using the carol service to make money (pretty much all classic carols are out of copyright, what are they singing?). Why *should* a charity be allowed to break the law?

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t “Christmas” a trademark of the Pope? Maybe it’s time the Pope demands fees for (ab)use of this trademark. The economy has perverted the meaning of Christmas anyway. Not that the church didn’t pervert the meaning of Jesus’ message but that’s another story…

  • Hardy Stout

    [quote comment="237680"]Your article is incorrect. The majority of radio stations in the UK receive no licence fee and are privately owned commercial stations. Only BBC stations receive licence fees.

    The charity has paid nothing for the music they’re piping through the cafe and are using to make money. Just like they’re using the carol service to make money (pretty much all classic carols are out of copyright, what are they singing?). Why *should* a charity be allowed to break the law?[/quote]

    Yeah, I did notice the kids were singing Christmas _songs_ and not Christmas _carols_ ; think Jessica Simponson and Faith Hill’s Christmas albums rather than Good King Wencelaus.
    Is it any different than kids singing “Boulevard of Broken Dreams” by Greenday for money donations to the charity? No, I don’t think so. The record company’s are ~about within their (moral; there is no other kind) rights.

    Still, you would think that for one measly shelter/church group/whatever, they could cut them some slack; whatever. The classic carols are the best !!! :P

  • peter

    I was under investigation by the TV licensing national enforcement division earlier this year for NOT owning a tv.

    Because I don’t own a tv, and therefore didn’t buy a licence, they assumed I was committing a crime and sent me a series of angry letters and had people come by to verify that I did not own a tv.

    Because I didn’t tell them that I didn’t need a license, they assumed me a criminal.

  • Steve Parker

    There’s a difference between some kids singing carols, and an establishment performing them. This isn’t some ad-hoc setup – PRS wouldn’t bother, but – just like pubs and clubs have to pay a performance fee, so would a tearoom (where’s the boundary?).

    Our church sing modern songs much more than old out-of-copyright hymns, and we make a note of what songs are sung each week, and the songwriter gets a cut, paid from our annual license into the pool. (Not via PRS, but a similar concept).

    We need to fight the stupidities of anti-copyright enforcement, but this particular example, though it’s spun as evil bureaucrats stopping kiddies from singing their carols, isn’t a good one to fight. This isn’t “the man”, the PRS is much more pro-artist than the RIAA etc.

  • yde

    [quote comment="238173"]There’s a difference between some kids singing carols, and an establishment performing them. This isn’t some ad-hoc setup – PRS wouldn’t bother, but – just like pubs and clubs have to pay a performance fee, so would a tearoom (where’s the boundary?).

    Our church sing modern songs much more than old out-of-copyright hymns, and we make a note of what songs are sung each week, and the songwriter gets a cut, paid from our annual license into the pool. (Not via PRS, but a similar concept).

    We need to fight the stupidities of anti-copyright enforcement, but this particular example, though it’s spun as evil bureaucrats stopping kiddies from singing their carols, isn’t a good one to fight. This isn’t “the man”, the PRS is much more pro-artist than the RIAA etc.[/quote]

    I disagree;

    “The staff at a charity…”
    “However, having purchased a license, this wasn’t the end of the matter. The PRS then started asking more questions, and when they discovered that kids sing in a carol concert there at Christmas, they declared that the premises were under licensed. Yes, of course – the PRS wanted more money.”

    There is a clear-cut line between personal profit, and charity income. When someone is making a profit, sure, they should pay their dues. But when a charity makes a profit, it doesn’t mean ANYBODY is getting any money; it means that a neglected but worthy element of society is … I shouldn’t even have to explain this!

    Suffice to say, if this had been a charity for orphans, street kids, or saving stray kittens, the case would be more obvious.

  • GoodbyeRiaa

    I think it is just as important to express our opinions say at youtube.com or myspace.com
    these are a great place to socialize, rant, make friends…
    i’ve been there and it is wild as jungle :D
    sharing will never die
    because people like me never stop sharing

  • Dave

    Happy Birthday is worse! The charges for a spontaneous performance of a copyrighted works are far higher than for a scheduled performance of a copyrighted works.

  • theman

    @ dave LMAO

    —————-

    These kids are gonna be future pirates because of this.

  • Will

    Ehh, it happens alot. Its not right but there are alot of other things in this world that are more unfair. Ive worked for several businesses and known charities to be targeted.

    Thats part of the lifestyle if you choose to live in the UK (i do but i dont intend to stay here forever).

    All you have to do to avoid copywright is change a couple of words in the song and for safe measure dont sing in key (not that people do), therefor it isnt the copywitten content your performing. Simple!

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  • V

    I love how the artists don’t give a damn and it’s the publishers that whine and moan about the infringement. Can’t wait for the day when artists stop using publishing companies and just use the Internet to distribute music.

  • renan

    This is downright stupid…

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    Hi! Definitely nice and neat site you got there.

  • Hannes

    This site is really superb!!! Thank you for you work! Good Luck+

  • Willem

    Cool!.. Nice work…

  • Anonymous

    Those copyright police are just a bunch of little fuckers, and the copyright holders just want to make easy money by being assholes.

  • Rosina

    I you all love!t

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    If you buy a cd and give it to someone as a present, the person you give it to has to pay the RIAA to listen to it because you bought it

    atleast that's what I heard

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