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Comedy Copyright Battle Raises Seriously Funny Issues

In a strange developing story the FunnyJunk image site is threatening to sue popular humor site The Oatmeal. The war between the pair dates back a year when The Oatmeal accused FunnyJunk of profiting from its copyrighted images, but now FunnyJunk is demanding $20,000 to end a defamation lawsuit. The Oatmeal say they won’t pay and have instead gathered huge support from fans, who in less than 24 hours have donated more than $90,000 to charity. Is there an interesting lesson in here for copyright holders?

Last year Matthew Inman, creator of humor site The Oatmeal, published a blog post where he offered his description of the business model operated by image index site, FunnyJunk.

1. Gather funny pictures from around the internet
2. Host them on FunnyJunk.com
3. Slather them in advertising
4. If someone claims copyright infringement, throw your hands up in the air and exclaim “It was our users who uploaded your photos! We had nothing to do with it! We’re innocent!”
5. Cash six figure advertising checks from other artist’s stolen material

Inman said that he’d previously approached FunnyJunk to remove content, which it partially did, but that countless images still remained. The owner of FunnyJunk responded by telling his users that The Oatmeal wanted to shut down their site, which Inman said he did not.

Considering the whole thing too much effort to continue with, Inman decided to let things be. However, now – a year later – it’s become clear that the owner of FunnyJunk has a much longer memory.

In a letter dated June 2 to The Oatmeal, lawyer Charles Carreon (the guy behind the sex.com lawsuit) expresses the displeasure of his client, FunnyJunk, and demands the immediate removal of the statements listed above.

Carreon says that the statements amount to a false accusation of willful copyright infringement when in fact FunnyJunk is a fully DMCA-compliant image host that not only removes infringing content on request, but also terminates the accounts of repeat infringers.

“By maliciously accusing FunnyJunk of criminal conduct to injure its business reputation you exposed yourself to a lawsuit for defamation per se, in which damages are presumed,” Carreron adds.

The complaint continues but the conclusion is familiar. If Inman gives FunnyJunk $20,000 the whole thing can be made to go away.

To prove his point that FunnyJunk aren’t playing fair, yesterday Inman posted a long list of URLs on FunnyJunk that still hosted The Oatmeal’s content, but hours later they had all been removed. He’s not amused and says he will not pay.

“You want ME to pay YOU $20,000 for hosting MY unlicensed comics on YOUR shitty website for the past 3 years?” Inman rants. “NO, i’ve got a better idea.”

“1. I’m going to try and raise $20,000 in donations. 2. I’m going to take a photo of the raised money. 3. I’m going to mail you that photo, along with this picture of your mom seducing a Kodiak bear. 4. I’m going to take that money and donate half of it to the National Wildlife Federation and half of it to the American Cancer Society.”

Oatmeal Bear

“I don’t want to spend the next year tied up in legal bullshit with you. I just want to make comics. Consider this my philanthropic, kind-spirited way of saying FUCK OFF.”

And then the fund-raiser began, just as Inman promised. The result is absolutely astonishing. At the time of writing more than 6,100 people have donated nearly $92,000. Of course the money is going to charity, and that’s a wonderful thing, but let’s just rewind here for a moment.

For the purposes of argument, let’s say that Inman’s comics were in fact the RIAA’s music and they hadn’t been posted on FunnyJunk, but had been posted on The Pirate Bay instead. No doubt about it, none of them would have been removed – ever.

Now, if the RIAA then accused Pirate Bay of being criminals (as FunnyJunk’s lawyer claimed that The Oatmeal did) and in turn Pirate Bay responded by suing the RIAA for defamation, the Internet masses would collectively cheer TPB on.

But when you look at the $92,000 donated in less than a day and the overwhelming support for Inman and The Oatmeal versus the bad publicity for FunnyJunk, it’s clear that at the flick of a switch an entire situation can be turned on its head.

There’s probably a number of messages in here for copyright holders, but perhaps one sticks out more than the others. In order to get support for your cause and get fans onside, people have to like you. If they do, magical things can happen.

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  • Lethn

    It’s not a matter of liking, it’s a matter of what copyright law is actually for, it is designed to protect the rights of artists and stop plagiarism by other people. Not stop people from giving copies of their work over the internet.

    These people who steal other peoples work and directly profit from it by claiming it is theirs and they own it are cuntbags who’s only creative thinking was the scam they profited from. I couldn’t give a fuck about filesharers who give free advertising since I think all independent creative people at least could unanimously agree that being unknown has been the biggest problem facing anyone starting up in any business so far.

    • http://cheapassfiction.com/ Aelius Blythe

      FunnyJunk isn’t really plagiarizing, any more than say Imgur or Reddit or people sharing pics etc. on Facebook are plagiarizing.  Not arguing that these are upstanding folks behind the site, just that it’s not necessarily morally wrong, or more illegal than what TPB or numerous other sites do.  
      Can we actually say that the creator of the Oatmeal was LOSING money, just because FunnyJunk was making money?  I don’t know but, I kind of doubt it.  The two sites are not really competing any more than a creator is competing with Facebook because people might share their stuff there too.  

      Additionally, you say that this is what copyright was intended for, yet it wasn’t copyright that helped this guy, at all.  It was basic social codes that say give credit where credit’s due.

      • Anyone

        they remove the signature on the pictures, so people don’t know who made it.
        that is plagiarizing

        not sure about loss of money, but it is a douche move

        • http://cheapassfiction.com/ Aelius Blythe

          I would say that morally speaking there is a notable shade of difference between not attributing something and actively claiming it as your own.

          e.g. Tons of pictures, comments, quotes and things get bounced around facebook so many times that no one has any idea where they came from, but they still share them because they’re funny or interesting.  

          Removing a signature is suspect.  But replacing it with your own and saying “Hey guys, I made this!” –which is classic plagiarism– is significantly more so.

        • Reality

          From theoatmeal:
          “All artwork and content on this site is Copyright © 2012 Matthew Inman.
          Please don’t steal.

          This has nothing to do with credit. This is about a copyright maximist trying to stop people sharing images.

        • Problem ?

          LOOK : someone disrespected *stole Mathew’s images and ……


          original source: http://theoatmeal.com/blog/matthew_inman_gay ( thought it was stolen ?)

          The thief’s artwork.

        • someone

          “”they remove the signature on the pictures, so people don’t know who made it.”"

          I call bullshit !

          Why bother ?

        • Anyone

          no idea why, but it did happen

        • Anonymous

          my classmate’s mom made $ 18460 l ast week. s he is ge tting p aid o n the l aptop a nd mo ved in a $ 571 600 house. A ll sh e did w as g et lu cky an d fo llow the t ips ma de cl ear o n th is si te 

          ?????? (Click At My Name For Link)

      • Decimus

        There was a huge issue in YouTube where many people (myself included), would submit movies containing music that was copyrighted.  Warner Music Group went around muting the sound from every video on YT that they could find, claiming copyright infringement.

        Someone started passing around a phrase which argued in our favor: “Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use.”  So many people with muted videos used the above and our videos are now free.

        So, the “artist” can use anything that with a copyright for criticism or for education so long as he isn’t profiting from it.  If the actual owner of the site is doing the uploading of those and is profiting, it’s an issue.  However, if others are posting material and the site is profiting, I believe they’re following the above law.  It’s how YT works and even though plenty of copyright holders complain about it, there’s really not much that they can do.  Especially since the copyright holders are able to profit from it.

      • Anonymous

        Reddit doesn’t host images.  They only link to them . . . 

      • Anonymous

        With these funny sites it’s kind of hard to determine the source sometimes. Not only it often isn’t signed, but once a meme instance springs up, it spreads to ALL the sites. But they don’t sue themselves, do they?

        • true

          Exactly.

      • Guest-guy

        I call foul on that one sir.  

        People who post on sites like Reddit are often smart enough to post their image’s link from the source, giving the site where credit is due.  

        If they’re not, I would gladly encourage anyone who does post a link through an imagehost instead of the source to kindly suck my left nut for doing something so douchey.

        Reddit, Digg, and other link sharing sites are meant to link to original content whenever possible.  FunnyJunk was just rehosting images from other sites.

      • Anonymous

        my roomate’s ex-wife got paid $15158 the prior week. she is making an income on th e laptop and got a $584800 home. All she did was get fortunate and set to work the advice shown on this web site 

        ?????? (Click On My Name For Link)

    • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

      So it’s okay for people to give away your work, as long as they don’t claim ownership?  That is some ridiculous logic.  Obviously you don’t know what it’s like to have your hard work given away for free.

      I have work that gets pirated all the time, and I can tell you that I don’t give a shit WHOSE work they claim it to be, I’m far more concerned with it simply being shared. 

      • Anyone

        of course sharing culture is ok
        claiming false ownership for it is not

        it’s common sense, that is sadly not reflected in the law for now.

        • but

          WHO wrongly claimed ownership ?

          Did NOT happen.

        • Anyone

          they removed the original copyright watermark from the image and slapped their own at the bottom of the page

        • someone

          proof or did not happen

        • someone

          Funnyjunk DO NOT put their own branding on uploads.

          Funnyjunk is user generated / uploaded content.

          Funnyjunk has a COMIC EDITOR for users to edit their own comics.

          …….

          Lot’s of the users at funnyjunk upload ORIGINAL stuff, that is far funnier than *****

      • Diosj

        Jup, RIAA is like one of those coffee plantations where they underpay poor workers. No one wants to buy from them anymore. People have principals, pissing off all your customers is just bad business.

      • Lethn

        My logic is quite simple, I’m not afraid of technology and how it works, I also happen to know all the weaknesses bittorrent has and I’m ready to exploit it as soon as I have my product ready.

    • Anonymous

      my friend’s step-sis ter makes $72/ho u r on the internet. She has bee n wi thout a job for 9 months but last month her pa y was $12371 just working on the internet for a few hours. Here’s the site to read more

      ?????? (Click At My Name For Link)

    • Bloody Tampon

       Drop a dollar on the sidewalk with the note “don’t use me I’m copyrighted” on it and see what happens.

      • Lethn

         You’d be arrested by the federal reserve most likely if you made that public.

    • Dolcraith

      Honestly, i think the sudden support for the Oatmeal is because FJ tried to go after him.  The analogy in the article of Oatmeal->FJ being compared to RIAA->PB does work because PB never threatened or filed suit against the RIAA.

    • Kolos

      The dude of the oatmeal is pissed because he was asked to pay 20000 because he posted some crap in his blog about bj. Also he gave up on bj last year because it was a waste of time

  • http://cheapassfiction.com/ Aelius Blythe

    “In order to get support for your cause and get fans onside, people have to like you. If they do, magical things can happen.”

    Yup.  And I’d say what it really shows is that the average person probably doesn’t give a crap about copyright.   They aren’t supporting The Oatmeal guy because he’s a copyright holder – otherwise, the RIAA and MPAA (et. al.) would have adoring masses of support.  But they don’t.  These people supporting The Oatmeal guy because they think he makes cool sht and don’t want to see him taken advantage of.

    This is a really, really interesting case – what I find most interesting is that THIS rightsholder got $90,000 of support, NOT through his lawsuit, but through fans donations.  How many who have actually gone to court can say the same?  

  • Wzmgjbya

     I think you’re comparing apples and oranges here.

    The mofo in Funnyjunk is making shitloads of money from ads by hosting the comics
    Inman makes. His own damn work, being posted over and over and plastered with ads.

    It’s just a simple case of the owner of Funnyjunk being a royal asshole to an artist.

    Music copyrights are a whole different story.

    • no

      The “royal asshole” is the guy who said this….
      “”The Oatmeal (926 stolen images found)”"

      Then goes on to ridicule, EVERY user created piece of content on funnyjunk…..
      “”Here’s their only attempt at original humor:”" ( pointing to “©” on funnyjunk)

      The guy is a tit.

    • N Neologism

      Why are music copyrights different. Inman and musicians both spend a lot of time, skill and money to create their work. Then other people take it without paying for it and make a profit off it. 

  • Thenell87

    That’s an interesting point about an RIAA-TPB parallel. But I think the main difference between this situation and the hypothetical one is a combination of accessibility and intent.
    If I wish to legitimately view TheOatmeal’s content, I go to his website, and view it. There’s  no kind of paywall preventing me from consuming the content. Conversely, viewing it on FunnyJunk offers me no benefits as a consumer, but gives the people behind FunnyJunk a ton of ad revenue. FunnyJunk taking TheOatmeal’s content gives profit to FJ while offering no extra benefit to a consumer.
    On the other hand, if I want an RIAA song, I have to pay to access it, but if TPB takes the content, they offer it to the consumer for free. That’s a huge benefit to the consumer. TPB are not a for-profit site. Their primary focus is file sharing. If TPB were selling the RIAA music at the same price, while also raking in a ton of extra ad revenue, the popular support would obviously be reversed. 

    TL;DR: The people making the most money are the bad guys

    • Guest

      Many people want to see a selection of content, that is why sites like funnyjunk and others are popular.

      How did you come across theoatmeal in the first place?

      It’s not the best situation though, most people whom like certain comics which haven’t been credited (and image names cut out, which I don’t agree with) will ask where it was from… if they don’t ask they don’t care enough.

      • Grace

        Sites that host comics that are properly attributed are mutually beneficial, in that the aggregator gets ad revenue off of casual visitors while the more hard-core fans eventually go direct to the source. But FunnyJunk’s model is more parasitic, because they took off all attribution and watermarking so that anyone who really liked TheOatmeal ended up coming back to FunnyJunk not out of loyalty, but because they knew of no other source. Deliberate move on their part.

        That’s where the system breaks – when the aggregator gets greedy and the originator gets screwed.

  • Donut

    “Now, if the RIAA then accused Pirate Bay of being criminals (as FunnyJunk’s lawyer claimed that The Oatmeal did) and in turn Pirate Bay responded by suing the RIAA for defamation, the Internet masses would collectively cheer TPB on.”
    You’ve missed the point entirely. The Oatmeal hasn’t called Funnyjunk criminals. He’s just criticised them for lazily gathering other people’s work and profiting from it through advertising revenue. And whereas Pirate Bay would offer people the chance to obtain material for free instead of paying music executives for it, Funnyjunk offers no such service as the material was already free on The Oatmeal where, also, it isn’t festooned with gaudy advertising. Your analogy is very very wrong.

    • Decimus

      “You’ve missed the point entirely.”

      This term is tossed around too much, it’s typically not a great practice to say this to the author.  This term is usually used in discussion to someone who missed the author’s point.

      As for the analogies, in the bold print, the author has stated that “The Oatmeal accused FunnyJunk of profiting from its copyrighted images”.  This is an accusation of a crime, which is essentially calling Funnyjunk’s admin criminals.

      The analogy is fine, I think the game is played a bit differently, though, since judges just don’t see digital images as being as valuable as music or movies.  The principle is at least similar, but whether that means they’ll be treated the same is actually “the point” that the author was making.

      • Donut

        The author has created an analogy that completely misrepresents the reality. It’s not fine, it’s badly done. As I already said, it’s blatantly different to music and movies since Funnyjunk is not offering a free version of something that cost money from its original source.
        I’ll toss that term around where it fits – which is here and also your post.

        • Decimus

          You’re entitled to your opinion, as wrong as it may be.

    • Guest

      “He’s just criticised them for lazily gathering other people’s work and
      profiting from it through advertising revenue. And whereas Pirate Bay
      would offer people the chance to obtain material for free instead of
      paying music executives for it,”

      Both FunnyJunk and TPB BOTH earn money via ad revenue. If you’re against FunnyJunk but not TPB I see a little essense of hypocracy.

      • Anyone

        TPB doesn’t remove info on who made the stuff
        usually there are IMDB links or links to the official movie page etc.

        I see nothing wrong with that, proper credit is given to everyone involved (those who made the movie and those who made the release)

        • Guest

          but if an artist contacts your website … asking you to take something down … they should be entitled to have that content taken down.

          if the host doesn’t take them down and keeps on earning money from it through ad revenue … I see this as a wrong thing to do.

        • Anyone

          as long as proper credit is given (so that people that want to can reward the artist) I don’t see why it should be removed

          now, selling stuff without the permission of the artist is something else entirely, but as long as it is just ad-supported I don’t see a problem

        • AnotherGuest

           Anyone, I think you are missing the point — but making a whole new one.

          You say: “as long as proper credit is given (so that people that want to can reward the artist) I don’t see why it should be removed”

          Imagine for a moment that You are the creator or publisher of a creative work, and Your Boss is the general public.  And Your Boss says to You: “I expect you to work for free until I get bored with you and fire you.  If I feel like it, if I’m especially impressed with you or I’m in a generous mood or whatever, I might kick you some cash — but don’t count on it.  I will, however, tell people that I think you’re cool and click ‘Like This’ on your Facebook page.” 

          I’m betting this would not seem like a fair deal to you. I’m also betting that you would not be able to pay the landlord in numbers of “likes” on Facebook.  But most of us seem to have this disconnect when it comes to creative works — we’re just not willing to pay for entertainment.  Right or wrong, public support goes with the provider of free entertainment.

          The Oatmeal is coming out on top of this situation because the response to Funny Junk is (a) free to view, and (b) hugely entertaining.  Any money that changes hands is purely optional and goes straight to charity.  If users had to pay to view The Oatmeal site, Funny Junk would probably not be facing nearly as much public hostility, and Inman would probably not have as much public support. 

    • Zig

      Actually there’s a finer point that you too have missed. TPB don’t actually infringe on any copyrights – at most they simply hosted torrent files (hyperlinks). If Funnyjunk had simply linked directly to the Oatmeal or used hyperlinks to pull the content from the Oatmeal site then the comparison would be closer, however it seems that Funnyjunk actually hosted the files themselves, which would be more akin to TPB hosting actual copies of RIAA music.

      But the idea behind the author’s original posit wasn’t so much about the actual hosting and technicalities as it was about the sentiment of users of these sites and how the public perception can be the polar opposite from one scenario to the next, so the analogy is sound enough in this context.

      • Zig

        (Note to self – use the words ‘actually’ and ‘actual’ with less frequency!) Lulz

  • Guest

    These comic sites do no or very little advertising.

    I don’t see how I would have found out about any, until I had come across them on sites like this. I am now subscribed to many, that I had first seen on sites like these.

    You have to remember that funnyjunk doesn’t go around collecting images, neither does piratebay go around collecting music. It’s the users that upload (in the general sense).

    • Matthew dick In-man

      *correction
      the admins STEAL my images !

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    • Crap-Meal

      Awesome image of a cry baby, bitching about…….
      “”people STEALING his entire website and mirroring it on funnyjunk“”

      “”Update: FunnyJunk removed all these links since I posted this list”"
      Maybe he should have used the DMCA policy !

      This guy has had a stick up his ass for years……
      http://theoatmeal.com/blog/funnyjunk

  • Anonymous

    That Funnycrap site is an assault on the Eyes IMHO.

    • Oatmeal faggotry

      disagree , theoatmeal is a locked down ego trip.

      Funnyjunk is a user centric image host where people share, funny things from online.

      theoatmeal are acting like cry babies, boo fucking hoo , someone shared one of their images on funyjunk.

      • Guest

        He has a right to cry about it if they are not crediting him (they’ve cut out the watermark of his website). However, then he goes on to complain saying sometime similar to “but even when they put a link there nobody clicks through whilst funnyjunk earns all the money” … this part pisses me off!

        If funnyjunk is profiting from his images and he sent a dmca takedown and funnyjunk didn’t take them down. funnyjunk is in the wrong. but if they took down the listed urls … then theoatmeal is a cry baby and needs to stfu.

        i feel the same way about TPB but since it’s a symbol/movement for piracy i’m not sure on my views. I support it, but at the same time they are earning from keeping the torrents up even though they recieved a dmca notice. then again, they don’t host the files… so i can’t really say my opinion regarding TPB in this sort of situation.

        • Anyone

          TPB is not in the US, so DMCA doesn’t apply to them in any way, shape or form

        • loco

          They did take down the images when there was a DMCA takedown request.
          The “listed urls” are also, now all gone.

          Matthew Inman should go to 4chan and spout his pro-copyright , “don’t steal my image” crap.

      • N Neologism

        Even from your handle I can tell you are a highly evolved person.

  • jannamadden

    wouldn’t you rather play with this hot stuff right here!? http://mpidyong.tumblr.com/post/24949414808/this-is-making-me-sweat

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  • Kinkfisher

    Oh, tons of people like the artists whose songs they torrent, and magical things *do* happen! They get things decent people pay for for FREE!

    • Anyone

      and just like magic none of those artists get any poorer

    • Happyartist

       And the even more magical things happen. When those people like the music, and give the artist some money to show their support, the money goes to the artist instead of going to a parasite.

      Filesharing may not make the RIAA happy, but it’s a great thing for music and musicians.

      When the pirates win and art is freed from greedy restrictions, art will flourish, and good people will be much better off.

      • N Neologism

        Or the “filesharer” doesn’t give the artist money– just takes the music and runs.
        “Art is freed from greedy restrictions”? I think what you mean is, “when artists learn that they should spend their lives creating great art and giving it to me for free, everything will be unicorns and wind chimes!”
        It’s amazing how people rationalize theft.

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  • Poppy

    I think the people are supporting him because he said fuc it, he could not be bothered to spend time in court trying to stop them using his content.. He does not want to go to court and realized that trying to get a site to remove his content would just be a waste of time. They then attack him and want to sue him. It is like tpb suing the content industry after them giving up trying to get them to remove content. Not very clever but good for a laugh . Sadly the content industry has made there customers the enemy  so i do not see anyone giving them money just to prove a point.

    • troll

      This sure is a funny troll by funyjunk.

      The drama this creates could escalate into severe lulz

  • kyl

    I donated because I like the Oatmeal and to help him give a large FU to funnyjunk for trying to sue him over such ridiculous claims, not because of copyright. 

    • People are stupid

      so you funded a copyright troll ?

      Well done you.

      • Anonymous

        Could you explain why you think the Oatmeal guy is a “copyright troll”?  (I do not think those words mean what you think they mean.)

        • yah copyright go go

          He trolled funnyjunk because they “stole his work”.
          Aka… trolling for copyright.

          I suspect your definition is much more narrow.

      • CLL

         So, a guy who asked for his images to be taken off a site, and eventually just said “fuck it” without suing is a copyright troll? Usually that term is reserved for those who sue others relentlessly, or so I thought.

        Personally, I see a guy who made a complaint, and then moved on with life, and a site that saw his complaint, and decided to sue him over it. If the MPAA/RIAA would say “screw it, maybe we should just concentrate on making good content” like the Oatmeal guy did, we wouldn’t be having the problems that we are having today.

      • Zig

        (RTFA – the donations went to charities, not to the Oatmeal)

  • Asashii

    idiots !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Reminds me of ebaums several years back.  Just slap your watermark on someone else’s picture, brag to advertisers about how many page views you can get to that ad, and be swimming in money with fairly minimal creative effort and a team of lawyers on hand to defend yourself against the people you steal from.

  • Moose

    The difference between the RIAA and Oatmeal is that the RIAA get shedloads of cash and don’t deserve anymore, however Oatmeal should just be pleased someone’s hosting their images and making them more popular.

    Basically both sides should stfu, unless funnyjunk was one of those scam sites that make you do questions before viewing.

    • Diane

       Except what has Inman upset in part is that there is no way to tell from the FunnyJunk postings that he is the creator.  Apparently he believe that he should receive credit for his own work.  I find it difficult to argue with that.  In so far as I know, Inman has never claimed that he lost money on the deal.  He has claimed – correctly – that FunnyJunk made money on Inman’s work.  Not to put words in his mouth, but I suspect he feels that, if anyone is going to make money off of his stuff, it should be he.

    • Guest

      Oatmeal is upset that he isn’t credited for his work … so it’s a fair arguement tbh.

      It’s like an artists music been given around under a different artists name.

      • No loss to FunnyJunk

        Blame the user then…. Not the hosting site.

        • N Neologism

          The hosting site has a responsibility to see that their users aren’t being thieving, particularly if the site profits from the thieving. 

      • Kongvictor

        You do realize that The Oatmeal was upset a YEAR AGO.  Now funnyjunk comes back today and sues The Oatmeal and demands $20,000 for defamation.  I think funnyjunk is the one that needs to let go since they’re the aggressor here.

        No where have I seen anymore than a YEAR OLD blog post from The Oatmeal where he asked for them to take his comics down.  Where or when did the Oatmeal do the same and hire laywers and bring DMCA bullshit against funnyjunk?    

  • http://Not.Telling/ Kr0nZ

    Pffht, The only real humor website is cracked.com, all others are nothings.

  • http://twitter.com/univluvinguy machoman

    TPB offers films, music, tv shows for free.Funnyjunk profits from oatmeal by blatantly copying comics from them and profiting from it.

    The thing we need to realize that is that by pirating torrents from TPB,  the material gets lots of attention, thereby getting free marketing. But funnyjunk copies comic pictures from oatmeal without acknowledging the original author but  oatmeal already gives away its content for free. Why do funnyjunk Copy the already available free content? Thats kind of pathetic.

    But personally I think oatmeal shouldn’t whine about copyright theft, bla bla like those dumb organizations.

    • jack

      You are blaming Funnyjunk for users image uploads.
      Funnyjunk didn’t remove anything from the images.

      The oatmeal owner also calls copying, “stealing” , look at the evidence/sources.

      • Anyone

        http://theoatmeal.com/blog/funnyjunk

        in the first picture you can see where the copyright watermark was removed on funnyjunk

        now, the image has since been removed and I never was on funnyjunk before, so all I have is theoatmeal’s word.

        that is at least closer to stealing than what the MAFIAA accuses TPB of doing ;)
        since without proper credit it isn’t even publicity, he literally gets nothing out of it.

  • Anonymous

     
    Within and among all these posts, it strikes me that we’re looking for what makes
    enlightened social policy on Intellectual property.  The difference between getting it
    right and getting it wrong is not trivial. 
     
    So, what does getting it Wrong look like? 
     
    What does getting it Right look like? 
     
    Getting it Right looks like something very very OLD:  The ancient Library of Alexandria. 
     
    Think of the emerging Modern Internet as the recreated Library of Alexandria risen from its ashes. This time, it promises even more and better human benefits than in the old days, 1) Universality. Its Catalogue is as vast as every Idea deemed worthy of expressing, recording and sharring; 2) Immediacy.  The Modern Internet promises instantaneous distribution and access from any point on the expanding universe to any or every other point at the speed of light; 3)  Minimized Cost.  The Internet promises to make Intellectual Property universally available at an infinitely small margin above digital distribution cost.  4)  Permanence.   This  Modern Library of Alexandria is self-protecting and self-regulating; redundant, and decentralized. It can not easily burned down by even the most malicious stray match. 
     
    Getting it Wrong looks like something very very New: The Modern system of distribution of Intellectual Property by legislatively previledged Monopoly Corporations.  This system too declares and fullfills Promises: 1) Pecuniary parrochialism.  Its focus is restricted to that Human Intellectual workproduct that can be MONETIZED.  2)  Social parrochialism.  Here, the benefits of Intellectual property are aggregated from Original Creative Artists by dominant Corporate middlemen for distribution to those who can pay an unearned Monopoly premium.  Conversely, those who can NOT pay that premium are treated as NOT WORTHY to benefit from ithe distribution.  3) Impermanence.  This system MUST be centralized and coercive to the extent that its purpose is to retain all economic and social value derivable from ideas in the hands of the few.  The thrust of the Internet, on the other hand, and of society in general, is that neither Ideas nor their flow be encapsulated by the coercion of state power. 
     
    Pirates must stake their identities AS PIRATES on the distinction between what we could have (The Library of Alexandria for Modern Times) and what we do have (Intelectual Property Distribution for the benefit of Corporate Oligarchy).   
     
    Why?  Because this difference is ultimately what is worth Pirating. 
     

    • Gearmentation

       Well said!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simeon-Beresford/1642490035 Simeon Beresford

    Unlike RIAA, The Oatmeal, has never threatened to sue anyone.
    Unlike RIAA, The Oatmeal, makes its content available at  no charge.

    • Gearmentation

       True, and they are good guys, but propose a way to keep their copyright rights without having the MAFIAA keep theirs?

      • Anyone

        make copyright not sellable

        so the creator of a works always has the copyright, the MAFIAA can’t buy/extort it from him and make money off of his work.

  • Torrentfreak, I’ve lost some respect for you…

    Funnyjunk sues Oatmeal the same way MPAA sued TPB and this is how you interpret it?

    Sad.

    • Anyone

      because it is a different situation

      if you are not a total cunt like the MAFIAA people will be on your side
      if you however rather sue students and old ladies rather than improving your business model people will not have one ounce of respect for you.

      • Gearmentation

         You can’t eliminate one without the other: the whole system promotes social corruption, and you can’t save the good if you want to eliminate the bad.  Patents are a different story, but copyright on creative works needs to be eliminated or severely cut back.

        • someone

          +1
          And it is oatmeal that is pushing copyright butthurt.
          funnyjunk is just responding to that in a funny way.


          oatmeal calls funnyjunk thieves  (possible attempt to shut it down)

          Funnyjunk responds

        • Anyone

          http://theoatmeal.com/blog/funnyjunk2

          there is the response to the response
          and he didn’t try to sue funnyjunk, funnyjunk is threatening to sue him

    • derp

      Funnyjunk is taking the piss.

      The joke must be lost on you.

      • N Neologism

        By hiring a douchebag lawyer to sue the content creator for $20k? I think something’s wrong with your sense of humor.

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  • http://twitter.com/MontgomeryMia MontgomeryMia

    just as Martha implied I am alarmed that a mother can get paid $7118 in a few weeks on the internet. have you seen this website (Click on menu Home more information)   http://goo.gl/rbXAB  

  • Blah, blah and blah

    It’s more of an ego thing than anything else. Just because you have created an artwork (a picture) and uploaded it to the internet, expect the obvious: that you now no longer own it, and that your credit of making it may in turn be obscured by many other people directly or indirectly saying that they had made it.

    To me, the internet owns everything.

  • Gearmentation

    My Gawd, he couldn’t find some way to use that money to fight copyright trolling?  I bet Torrentfreak or the Pirate Bay team could have used it!

    • People jump to conclusions

      WHAT ?  Did you read the story ?

      Oatmeal is the one calling people thieves for sharing images.

  • Gearmentation

    And no, I don’t have any patience even for the “nice” copyright guys anymore.  The whole copyright system needs to be removed, even though it does a lot of good things, because the abuses are too huge.  He should have donated the money to stop copyright trolling, even if it means that his own business goes down the tubes.  

  • No loss to FunnyJunk

    Too many people read skim the article and don’t even bother to check out the actual evidence linked in the story.

    Fellow torrentfreakers …… I be dissapoint

  • Fuckyou

    The oatmeal pisses me off so much, I love how the creator goes to such lengths to make sure no one steals his sub par shit.

    • JohnnyBrahBro

      Goes to such lengths? He blogs about it. Wow, that’s some extreme measures he took.  Then he gets sued by them for pointing out the truth?  Yeah, that sounds fair. 

    • Anyone

      he doesn’t sue anyone
      he doesn’t bribe politicians and judges to get the law perverted

      sure, he bitches about in his blog, but that’s his right, even if you disagree with what he says.

    • N Neologism

      If it’s subpar, why do so many people like it and steal it? And how funny is your stuff, genius?

  • harry krishna

    both sites sux

  • Anonymous

    they are both wrong and just bad low-life admins with no inegrity. i was shocked about the admin of the oatmeal complaining his images was on FJ (the wasteland), who cares how much they profit?? it didnt harm you in any way imaginagible. if anything it will attract new visitors to the oatmeal, since the source is in the image itself. and how the fuck can he know its a 6 digit number.  and its not like its only him but they take it from every where:C&H, xkcd etc.. both admins can go fuck themselves in their greedy-ass assholes.
    oh, and i think their should be more sites like FJ except as a better site , better management, better admin and better users. it opens discovery for the end user.
    u know, nobody will just type XKCD.com out of curiosity on their keyboard and see what will come up.

    • Anonymous

      “if anything it will attract new visitors to the oatmeal, since the source is in the image itself.”
      The images had any references to The Oatmeal REMOVED, by the way.

  • Guest

    I dont know whose side to take.
    Oatmeal benefits of the publicity and isn’t really losing any money if people happen to see their stuff on a different site, uness they actually stop coming to Oatmeal to visit the other site then there is no real loss for them.
    Only win, since more people will see that stuff and might someday know who made it for real.
    It’s a choice between some late advertisement of sorts and complete ignorance.

    But I do not find it cool that someone can post art they didn’t make, remove the signature of the author and then put his own. It’s very rude to the author.

    I do not find it wrong if the reposting site profits from it though, since it is already proved above that there is likey no loss to the artist then this is a case of someone making a profit vs no one making it.
    I mean, if they choose one of the reposting sites then it must be because they either like they are fans of it or like the way it provides the service more.
    More thn making a legal battle the smartest thing would be to add some oatmeal link to the original version of all the art to the reposting sites.

    Seriously how hard would it be?
    “Courtesy of the oatmeal, http://www.oatmeal.com/thatfunnycomic123
    There, everyone happy.

    For the record I find both rather unfunny and care very little but to each his own.

    • Anyone

      the problem is, if you see theoatmeal on funnyjunk you don’t know that it is from theoatmeal since the watermark has been removed

      • Guest

        Yeah, that’s likely the biggest issue.
        I don’t see the oatmeal complaining if anyone shares their stuff, so it’s not a normal issue of file sharing and copyright.
        The issue is about taking away the credit for an artist’s work, in a way that is more like stealing than file sharing because you take away the author’s recognition.
        You take that away, so you do steal it in an abstract way of sorts.

  • http://twitter.com/RotBot RotBot

    The difference in popular support between The Oatmeal vs. FunnyJunk and RIAA vs. TPB isn’t hard to figure out.  People don’t like bullies.  People don’t like bullies who threaten lawsuits to get their way even more.

    The Oatmeal never sued Funny Junk.  He just made a post to his blog complaining about how they’re profiting from his work.  FunnyJunk turns around and threatens a defamation suit full of laughable reasoning (malicious dinosaur!), and asking for $20,000 to make it go away.  How is that anything like the actions between RIAA and TPB?

    Let’s say a musician makes a statement in an interview about how some torrent site is stealing his music.  He doesn’t sue, but just says he’s pissed about it.  A lot of people will defend the torrent site, but would they still side with the site if it decides to sue the musician for his statement?  If those people think that torrent site is run by a bunch of assholes, does that mean they automatically think sharing culture is wrong, too, and everybody should always respect a copyright holder’s wishes?  Of course not.  There doesn’t have to be a disconnect between supporting a copyright holder in one situation and a copyright violator in another.

    • Guest

      I think you nail it there.
      People don’t like bullies.
      Frivolous lawsuits with unreasonable demands are not cool.

    • N Neologism

      Yeah, people want to be able to steal their music from nice people! Sorry, it’s not stealing, it’s “sharing.” See, as long as you’re nice, it’s okay to do bad things!

      • http://twitter.com/RotBot RotBot

        It’s fuzzy morality, but it’s generally how people behave.  Look at how much content on Reddit is the same kind of unattributed images rehosted on imgur, and yet few people voice any concerns.

  • NewClear

    Matthew Inman has done nothing wrong, and the threatening letter he has is a completely frivolous joke. Indeed, judges never take these kind of case seriously. However, once in a while you get a biased judge, combined with a rotten, greedy lawyer like Charles Carreon (who I kidding, all corporate lawyers are rotten and greedy) and a ridiculous case emerges. If you ever get a letter like this, the best thing is to ignore it. You can post it on your website for people to see, even if it says something like “This notice is confidential.. you may not share it with anyone else.. blah blah blah” but NEVER reply back.

  • Miff

    Guys ignore the copyright thing.  This is a fucking FREE SPEECH issue. >_>

  • Tdot

    Just a heads up for my fellow Canadians.

    “Friday, Canadian gov is going to bring forward C-11 (copyright bill) for last hours of debate. It will be voted on Monday.”

  • Gues

     This is one heck of a mess. Both funnyjunk and oatmeal are really getting themselves a bad publicity. Why the fuck can’t funnyjunk

    Now what? oatmeal is going to whine about how much they lose money when I download pictures from their website?

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  • Christopher Joseph

    The whole thing sounds ridiculous. Rather like most copyright lawsuits…

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  • Chad Cole

    If you are making money from the use of another’s IP, Aka, non-shared ad $ from the display of their IP. You done goofed… 

    That’s an example of the kind of people who ACTUALLY deserve these crazy ass Copyright infringement fines…

    Now, If funnyjunk was completely non-ad supported, Or full blown non profit… Sure… But are they? nope…

  • Devnull

    I completely support FunnyJunk in this. You cannot blame a site for what their users do.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      … Wait, what?

      You support FJ?  How does that compute when they want money for nothing?

  • stupid stupid stupid

    Both of them are wrong. Inman is being an asshole for thinking that he can control the entire internet to respect the [bullshit] copyright on his comics. I say “entire internet” because if he’s mad that FJ is profitting from ad revenue of his comics, then he should also be mad at FB, Twitter, Reddit, etc, ad infinitum.

    But that isn’t nearly as bad as FJ actually threatening to sue Inman for displaying his opinion on his own website, considering it “defamation.” That is arguably WORSE than the RIAA threatening suing music sharers unless they pay up, because the RIAA is suing over the actual downloaded song, whereas FJ would sue Inman because he gets a lot of traffic to his blog. Utter trash.

  • Junkie92

    Can You Believe A Rickshaw Can Do That !! Funniest Rickshaws Ever !!

    http://www.funnyblips.com/2012/06/can-you-believe-rickshaw-can-do-than.html

  • farenheit

    Reasons people support The Oatmeal and not the RIAA:
    1) He’s an individual we can identify with, not a faceless corporation;
    2) He doesn’t sue his own customers;
    3) His comics are funny;
    4) He’s an artist, not an artist’s lawyer or an artist’s accountant;
    5) He’s ‘sticking it to the man’ (FunnyJunk’s lawyer) in the same way that TPB ‘stuck it to the man’ (RIAA’s lawyers). The Oatmeal and TBP are the same in this respect.
    6) He has likeability, and that counts for a LOT
    7) He has internet credibility (in the same way that TBP do) and that counts for a lot too
    8) He played the ‘charity’ card. If RIAA promised to donate all proceedings from copyright claims to charity, they would probably have a LOT more public support
    9) It wasn’t just any charity, it was a cancer charity. Pretty much everyone knows someone who has been affected by cancer (or has been affected themselves). NOT supporting his cause would therefore be callous and seriously uncool
    10) Did I mention his comics are really damn funny?

  • darXness

    the donation is already 100k ++ …WTF???

  • Qsdklfj

    Bitching about people sharing your images: wrong.

    Bitching about people sharing your images and making money of it: justified.

    I support privacy, but not when there’s people making money off it. One should share so that others may enjoy it, sharing while making profit is wrong.

  • http://landmarkfinance.com/ calcul prêt hypothécaire

    The Oatmeal’s content, but hours later they had all been removed. He’s not amused and says he will not pay.

  • DocGerbil100

    For anyone who’s not been following, this bizarre case is still moving forward and officially now qualifies as Genuinely Funny Yet Horrifying At The Same Time Comedy Gold: Funnyjunk’s lawyer Charles Carreon (not Funnyjunk, per se, just the lawyer (unless – as has been suggested – they are secretly one and the same)) has now actually filed his lawsuit against The Oatmeal, Indiegogo, the National Wildlife Federation, the American Cancer Society and 100 John Does on the internet who said/did mean things about him, on various deeply spurious grounds.

    Carreon is clearly a man who believes he can dig his way to the moon.

    See http://www.popehat.com/2012/06/17/the-oatmeal-v-funnyjunk-part-iv-charles-carreon-sues-everybody/ for more details.

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