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Copyright Regime vs. Civil Liberties

One of my first large keynotes, in 2007, was called Copyright Regime vs. Civil Liberties. In the 15-minute original keynote at OSCON, I outlined all the civil liberties that were at risk because of enforcement of the copyright monopoly, and that the copyright industry brutally understood these liberties needed to be killed to preserve their business. What was fringe paranoia five years ago is now becoming the law of the land.

The keynote in question shows how the copyright monopoly is fundamentally incompatible with horizontal unmonitored digital communication, and therefore, with the Internet and private communications as very concepts.

I outlined in 2007 how we could expect to see outright censorship, crackdowns on anonymity and free speech, erosion of privacy and of due process, annulment of whistleblower protections, and at length, cutbacks in the very right to form an identity. I spoke in 2007 of how child pornography was being used as a strategic excuse by the copyright lobby to create a battering ram against our fundamental liberties, even if it hurts children (which they don’t care about).

Five years later, practically all of this has either come true already or is in the pipeline. “Copyright Regime vs Civil Liberties“, indeed.

I went into politics for two reasons. The first is that the copyright monopoly is being taken care of by civil servants today. These people have three characteristics: they are not charged with seeing the whole picture, but just taking care of their lawn; they are completely unaccountable; and they are frequently lobbied by the copyright monopoly, for the two previous reasons. In contrast, a politician can say that “naw, this costs too much and upsets the balance of fundamental rights, let’s scrap it”, something a civil servant cannot.

The second reason I went into politics is that the only way to take this issue away from those same civil servants is to politicize it, and the only way to do that in turn is to take votes from the established politicians. At the end of the day, that is the only thing they care about — any other way of trying to influence policymaking is just another day at the job for them. You have to attack their job security directly. That creates change, and only that.

The most puzzling part is how senior politicians are pretending to embrace the democratizing aspects of the net as long as those aspects don’t happen in their own country. For some reason, it is perfectly possible for a politician to say that the copyright industry must be protected by dismantling the net and our civil liberties, and at the same time, say that the net must be protected against those who would rather keep their power. For anybody else, this means a choice. I made mine in 2006.

The copyright industry is a business like any other. They get to compete for money based on what they offer. They don’t get to dismantle civil liberties even if they can’t make money otherwise, and perhaps especially if they can’t make money otherwise. For some reason, the copyright industry has gotten away with doing exactly this: dismantling civil liberties.

In the United States, authorities are seizing domains on the net without any due process whatsoever, breaking the DNS namespace. This does not just stifle free speech and political speech — it also creates a wiretapping scenario as they see who is coming to visit the domain. Both of these actions would normally require a warrant, which if I were presiding, would never be granted. But they take it on word of mouth from the copyright industry.

In the United Kingdom, courts are giving themselves the right to break the net by ordering certain domains censored. They are even specifically ordering Internet Service Providers to use the previously-installed child pornography filter to censor infractions of the copyright monopoly. See? There is a reason the copyright industry loves child porn so much. If you search for the Swedish word for child porn on the copyright lobby’s Swedish site Netopia, you come up with no less than 62 articles. Unless you knew the reason for this very strong correlation between the copyright industry and child pornography, you would be very puzzled indeed.

At the same time in the United States, China and Iran are held as shining examples of countries which still have a working freedom of speech despite having given the copyright industry the privileges they want. (Even I could not have made this up; it is just too far out) And to applause from the Senate, no less. This was in the SOPA/PIPA debate, and I would have a hard time finding a better example of how completely incompatible the copyright monopoly is with fundamental rights.

In Sweden, there is hard evidence that the copyright industry and the United States was pushing for Data Retention — a fine word for logging all our communications and movements so they can be used against us in the future. This also kills reporters’ right to protect their sources, which I spoke of in 2007.

There is no shortage of further examples. I am sure you could add your own story in the comments field.

Indeed, it is copyright regime or civil liberties. Make your bets and pick your sides.

About The Author

Rick Falkvinge is a regular columnist on TorrentFreak, sharing his thoughts every other week. He is the founder of the Swedish and first Pirate Party, a whisky aficionado, and a low-altitude motorcycle pilot. His blog at falkvinge.net focuses on information policy.

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  • Invalid

    It’s important to get this out.

    Even if we assume the moral stance, that pirating is evil, and copyrights are good, one needs to be aware of the cost of upholding said copyrights.

    Are copyrights worth more, or comparable to civil rights?

    • http://falkvinge.net Rick Falkvinge

      That is exactly the question that needs sunlight.

      • Jimbo

        although i totally agree with you, Rik, please tell me/us why it is that there are plenty of stories from the entertainment industries published/broadcast about how ‘the internet and piracy’ is killing their business, killing jobs, killing the US economy’ but very rarely do stories appear in the press or on TV showing how the complete opposites are really true? why are ‘discussions’ concerning copyright always conducted behind closed doors and those opposed to it are excluded? why are there no proposals from politicians to abolish copyright altogether or at least reduce it? and, to me, most importantly of all, why are there never any investigations of politicians who are fiercely lobbied (ie, paid incentives) to extend/introduce extra copyright laws at the behest of the entertainment industries, when it is known that civil liberties are undoubtedly being eroded in return?

        • Anonymous

          Is this rhetorical?

          People, especially those that already have power, are greedy by nature. To do any of what you’ve listed would require that a person spends money (keyword) to make it so other people have less power, which means they won’t be spending it on their own agendas.

          Additionally, people with power (namely: politicians) must placate others that have the same amount of power. To stand up and say “no” pretty much means they all hate you and you may be out of a job come next turnover.

          And the reason there are hardly any investigations of politicians is simple: Who watches the Watchmen? :P

        • Beep77

          @grawss

          people with an interest in uncircumcised blue cock.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          although i totally agree with you, Rik, please tell me/us why it is that there are plenty of stories from the entertainment industries published/broadcast about how ‘the internet and piracy’ is killing their business, killing jobs, killing the US economy’ but very rarely do stories appear in the press or on TV showing how the complete opposites are really true?

          I’m not Rick but think about this. Who owns the traditional media world? That would be Sony, Viacom, AT&T, Universal, Warner, who we’ll use as examples. Now think about who owns the TV channels. CNN, CNBC, ABC, etc. Did you know that CNBC also owns parts of Viacom, to which they won’t talk about credible economic surveys that go against their interest? Think about it. ALL major TV broadcasts are owned by a select few. And they all lobby Congress to pass favorable legislation for themselves.

          why are ‘discussions’ concerning copyright always conducted behind closed doors and those opposed to it are excluded?

          Because traditionally, the public had no say in politics and no way to communicate the corruption to Washington. The internet sure leveled the playing field when people revolted against SOPA.

          why are there no proposals from politicians to abolish copyright altogether or at least reduce it?
          We did indeed have that, but it couldn’t be passed. Rick Boucher lost in the primaries and no one else is championing Fair Use like he did. Also, the larger problem is how the US votes for politicians. For more reference Look at these videos about the First past the post system, and the electoral college system then you’ll understand why our politicians get worse and worse.

          and, to me, most importantly of all, why are there never any investigations of politicians who are fiercely lobbied (ie, paid incentives) to extend/introduce extra copyright laws at the behest of the entertainment industries, when it is known that civil liberties are undoubtedly being eroded in return?

          Here’s the playbook on how to corrupt a Congresscritter. This is the reason why we lost Lessig to the larger fight of getting money out of politics. Though he leaves to fight a larger problem, we have a lot of new people to fight the problems of copyright. Rick does a fine job in exposing copyright for what it truly is. Censorship in the name of artists. We don’t need it, and as more digital technologies surface, it will make less and less sense to have it.

        • Prof Snape

          Regarding the companies that suffering due to internet piracy: their primary problem is that so much of their budgets have nothing to do with content creation. Their corporate structures have evolved around charging what the market will tolerate rather that the value of the product. Even without piracy, the incumbents are exposed to nimble internet age competitors.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    My story isn’t even mine Rick, it’s that of site Admins like Geeker of Filesoup who had his home raided by Police & ‘agents’ of the CopyWrong Cartel and had his computers & personal belongings confiscated.
    See
    http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-admin-continues-fight-against-police-abuse-110704/

    The Court threw out the prosecution’s case, but after a year of torment Geeker is STILL seeking an apology and compensation for physical damage to his confiscated private property, and Filesoup is now frequently offline with server problems.

    Just like site Admin Richard O’Dwyer of TVshack who is facing extradition proceedings from the UK to the USA for running a site containing only links, his civil liberties were and still are non-existent.
    http://torrentfreak.com/tvshack-plea-extradition-lifeline-needs-immediate-action-111130/

    • Anonymous

      Criminals gives up most of their rights the moment they commit a crime. Why do you think the copyright industry is pushing to make everyone into criminals? :P

      • Danny

        None of the people in Robs examples were or are criminals?

        And the copyright lobby don’t want infringement to be a criminal activity as they would no longer be able to profit from it!

        • Anonymous

          According to who? They don’t generally extradite regular citizens.

          In any case, just in case it wasn’t clear, I was being sardonic.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        No they don’t. They have the right of due process. Proper investigation and, if they really committed any crimes they’ll then lose some of their rights. Note: SOME of their rights. Considering copyright infringement is a CIVIL matter, not criminal…

        So even if copyright infringement was considered a crime the SUSPECTS would still have rights.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

    I will take this quote, from: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
    and put it here: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

  • Anonymous

    Quick, log my data! For the children!

  • Gabriel Vasquez

    Copyright Regime = GESTAPO internet.

    • Spunky

      My thoughts exactly , I couldnt believe that ICE actually told my kids I was terrorist when they raided my house. Who do they think they are?

      • Anonymous

        What with their use of secret extension orders that they wanted all public traces censored to deny justice and due process to Dajaz1 and their lawyer then that is very good question.

        I did formally believe that the DHS and ICE at least had some standards of open and accountable Government but their use and overuse of sealed documents have sure crossed that line. So not only now do they preform questionable acts by the order of VP Joe Biden but they sure try hard to deny justice to those that seek it.

        I also cannot believe that the Department of Justice go along with this instead of criticizing their injustice and exposing their questionable ways. All a buddy-buddy situation I guess.

        Well it is little wonder that the head of the MPAA now compares the United States to that of China. The US is sure looking more like a dictatorship as each day passes. Then there was President Obama telling us all how his administration would stick to the law and be open and accountable.

        Second only to campaign funds aka bribes it seems.

        • Kunglao

          See davidicke. com/forum then todays news and look for Obama plagurises, there are docs and download links on the thread tptb keep taking off web, it exposes this evil man

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Kunglao, Obama is not evil and you would have to be a conservacreep/Rethuglican to think that he is.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t have much interest in American politics beyond how they are screwing with the rest of the world. If your president is “evil” or not I will leave for you to decide and that I presume will be split down party lines.

          I am simply happy he is not using Muslims for blood sports like your former President did. That was not one to make us here in the UK happy being a multi-cultural, multi-religion and multi-racial society. Them Arabs and the Middle-East are barely a short plane trip from here and many visit or live here.

          We are also very different in politics when we do not tolerate failure in our leader and believe the leader of our country should be the best person in our country and so many on both sides try to fault him and bring him down. The same applies to politics as a whole where those caught out are soon replaced.

          The US is largely different and a position of power seems more a chance to exploit it. Faults are so much more tolerated that I sometimes wonder how bad a President has to be to get replaced.

          One fundamental difference is that in the US you vote for your leader but here in the UK we only vote for a party who assigns a leader and who can then replace that leader any time should they so choose. I prefer the UK method when it keeps them on their toes. Fail, one vote of no confidence, and they are gone.

        • Ven

          @ Violated0

          I was just mentioning to someone the other night how broken our Constitution is. It’s basically impossible to impeach a president now, because of how apathetic the majority of our populace is. Nothing to do with corruption or process, our society has had it so good for so long that we are too lazy to make changes.

          Thomas Jefferson called it all. He definitely is the smartest of the Founding Fathers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754363628 Neil McCormick

    I think most of this fits into the statement – those who are not prepared to fight for their freedom deserve to lose it. We sit and marvel at the lengths to which middle eastern country people have gone to to rid themselves of dictatorships and yet completely ignore our own losses of freedom under our own govenments as though they have not even occurred, another statement – there are none so blind as those who will not see.

    • Kunglao

      Most of the ‘revolution etc in foreign countries have been started by cia, agian see above site posted on other comment by me, but these are on the forum

      • Jon7272

        time for that tin foil hat and stop smoking pot your to parinoid lol

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  • Anonymous

    Well if Rick predicted that lot back in 2007 he did do well but beyond predicting the many ways they would try to trample our freedoms then one also had to predict the out of control nature of millions of people file sharing.

    To be a copyright radical these days is to reject the common dogma of the content industries and to simply ask two question. The first of these questions is that if file sharing is as devastating as they claim that they provide accurate figure and documents that prove it. Clearly the published annual budgets of the MPAA and RIAA highlight that the industry is quite rosy and growing. The second question is that if there is no huge problem here then why allow so many of our rights and freedoms to be violated to fix a problem that does not even exist?

    If you subscribe to that simple observation then be warned that this next step will make you a “terrorist” in the eyes of the copyright cartels. Now that the smoke and mirrors have been removed we can then see that their real goal is a “power grab” over the Internet.

    I can tell you that for the past few days I have been quite upset with the people who read and post here. ICE’s travesty over Dajaz1, beyond totally pissing me off, has resulted in a low comment count and not many locals busy with their xmas shopping are up in arms over this. Shame on you.

    Not one person on that subject, including myself, have posted the truth behind what really happened here. The truth is that the RIAA as the middlemen make their money though the distribution and promotion of media. This is exactly why they would attack a lawful free distribution point for new and largely unknown hip-hop and rap artists. The RIAA do not control the promotion and distribution of this Creative Content-like media so they did all in their power to shut it down! Little more clearly can you see a total travesty of justice from the US Government then you can see right here. The RIAA exploited the latest face-faced “trusting” newbie college graduate DHS/ICE employee.

    I am sick to my core. I am someone who well knows what it is like to be falsely attacked by the guard dogs of copyright. Running your lawful business and enjoying what you do and your market leading success only to have these assholes destroy all you have done as your world collapses. It is certainly not a simple matter to resume where you left off when the market you once led has gone elsewhere. Their goal is not justice but to destroy you.

    Well it is not time to lose faith. Even many years before the Pirate Party existed your average politics were quite aware of why people did piracy. They are also not one to criminalize what the public do when they have valid reason to do it. They just don’t like the market exploiting these needs for profit.

    Politicians also know that copyright is not an absolute right and needs to balanced against the rights of business and individual rights. So I have faith when SOPA and PIPA hit the floor they will realise that this is only a “power grab” by the content industry and to deny their requests. Send them away and make sure they focus on creating and expanding valid on-line content services.

    This is not to say that this is not some very dangerous legislation that would seriously harm the Internet and everyone concerned should actively fight it. We can thank Rick Falkvinge and other politicians who voice our concerns in political forums.

    • Predator

      Actually I have an even more general explanation for what is going on there that if allowed to continue not only will destroy internet but the word economy and may be even the biosphere.

      Corporations are currently in control of most national government in the world. Governments no longer work for the common good but for the corporations the biggest one having the most influence.

      Government decisions are not longer driven but what make sense but by what benefit any given corporation.

      When any corporation find profitable to kill a bunch of people somewhere in the word they just do it! The same happen when it is profitable to pollute the water or the air we breath or to kill fundamental research to prevent the rise of any disruptive technology or invention such as the personal computer.

      The danger is so great that if we fail to solve this problem in a peaceful way we are going to have a nasty war against the corporatists.

      • Anonymous

        Here we disagree when you believe politics is fundamentally corrupt and those elected are only interested in their own greed and gain and not what is best for their population and society.

        It is true to say though that powerful organizations are a large part of politics due to the concept of lobbying. It is a mystery why they do it that way but politicians need lobbying income for election campaign funds. Corrupt by the default there but it also true to say representatives of certain industry can be directly elected. So in many ways a battle between every large group with a political interest.

        The population though has the vote so anyone not representing your interests can be replaced. We also fight injustice through mass protests and riots.

        Then here in the UK we have one extra tool should things get extra bad. It would not be the first time that the gates outside parliament have been adorned with the decapitated heads of those who have seriously failed us. So it may be like 300 odd years since we last did that but we are a nation of strong tradition.

        • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

          I think our parliament gates don’t have enough spikes for ALL the heads who’ve “seriously failed us” because it’s not only the evil Tories who support the CopyWrong Cartel who need to be spiked up there, but their Human Rights-hating Labour compatriots who also support the CopyWrong Cartel at the expense of civil liberties.

          After all, between 1997 to 2010 the Labour government did MASSIVE damage to our Civil Liberties on so many fronts and issues it’s too lengthy to note here :(

          This is why I’m now a fully paid-up Member of PPUK (ie the Pirate Party UK) and have voted PP in all possible elections to date.

          And if anyone’s wondering what’s constantly on the mind of our resident Prime Minister Cameron …
          http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GwWyq5eGw9M/S9VTwiMXS_I/AAAAAAAAB7o/rhOMYfSjRQU/s1600/Cameron++gaffe.JPG

          All we need is a decent venue (for the TV cameras), a small list of dedicated volunteers to wield the axe and do the spiking, and have an interim government ready to step in whilst the fuss calms down over time.
          Simple huh?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          Here we disagree when you believe politics is fundamentally corrupt and those elected are only interested in their own greed and gain and not what is best for their population and society.

          Actually, the fundamental problem is with the electoral vote and the First to Post system which allows a centralization of the two parties. We aren’t allowed a diversity of opinions. They all have to be moderate and in a sense, they all equate to our political system being made for compromises. As a ton of people are agreeing, Congress (in the US) is bought. The approval rating of Congress is 8%. If we could change the voting system, it would solve a ton of problems in the US, namely this abject need to compromise. There is no way for the people to be heard save in large numbers, and such is the problem that the Occupy movement is exposing.

          It is true to say though that powerful organizations are a large part of politics due to the concept of lobbying. It is a mystery why they do it that way but politicians need lobbying income for election campaign funds. Corrupt by the default there but it also true to say representatives of certain industry can be directly elected. So in many ways a battle between every large group with a political interest.

          Corporate politics have been a part of the structure for the past 40 years (since the 70s). The problem is that the lobbying is a bribe, but there is no way that people can match the amounts that corporations can for favorable legislation. There is no amount of money for campaign funds, so when Citizens United came along, it kicked the problem into overdrive. The reason so many are protesting these ideas is the fact that the money has corrupted legislation. Think about how copyright represents lobbyists and record labels over artists. Do most artists want copyright? Nowadays, no. They want ways to talk to their fans directly (me included). But we’ve gotten it based on the 100 years of deceit implicit in copyright. Now think about the fight against lobbying (Mitch Glazier, Chris Dodd or Beryl Howell) and think about how it’s hard to have the public change copyright. This is why people believe corruption is in the system. It really IS corrupting people for the short term profit of individual wealth or (in the congressional aides’ case) better jobs.

          Even us pirates are a large group with political representation and activists like Anonymous. The need to be heard.

          Yes, but the problem persists that the voting system in the US does not allow for them to be heard at all. They are marginalized and ignored.

          The population though has the vote so anyone not representing your interests can be replaced. We also fight injustice through mass protests and riots.

          But the vote means nothing when the next person, even with good intentions, is corrupted. It’s not the people that are all the problem, it’s the system that allows people to be corrupted.

    • Lakiesha

      Mafiaa years back prob 2000, they said they were attacking the internet and file sharing on every front around the world, some2 plz find this article some1, I know its out there, it was step8 from mpaa I REM reading

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  • Neb12

    I have news for you all. The government doesen’t need to wire tap unless they are going to take the case to court. Does anyone really know what the book “Brave New World” was about?

  • Neb12

    a warrant

  • Anonymous

    At least give me an exchange rate for my civil liberties. If I’m to sell them off in exchange for something (like less child porn), I’d prefer to have a choice.

    I want an even playing field too. If they can scalp my civil liberties without my consent, then I want a way to scalp theirs.

    Hopefully this message gets out before I no longer have the right to post it.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Don’t bother. “Child porn” was sold openly until the late 1970′s and no one had a problem with it until the radical feminist jackasses and religious experts saw that discrimination against interracials and homosexuals was going the way of the dodo.
      So then, they moved on to pedophilia/pedosexuality (yes, it is a normal sexuality), started railing against it and saying that the children who enjoyed those relationships were ‘brainwashed’ and ‘groomed’, not listening to the children in question who protested that they enjoyed those relationships or were not permanently harmed by them at all.

      So now, today we have a problem with false accusations of ‘child sexual abuse’/statutory rape, which in my opinion and that of many others who are afraid to speak out for fear of being harassed, aren’t crimes unless there is some element of physical force there.

      • Herptyderp

        No. And go away.

      • FinalApokylypse

        Most parent’s don’t like children to be sexualised in any way till they believe they’re old enough to make more intelligent decisions, as such legally the parent can make decisions on behalf of the child until he has reached a specified age. Of course most of us make mistakes and regretful decisions with relationships and sexual matters at one point or another. But younger people are far more susceptable to being coerced and manipulated into doing things they don’t want to do/aren’t comfortable doing.. The laws are in place to protect kids because they can and often are traumatized by such events. Statutory rape on the other hand is a little different but follows the same reasoning as child porn. Basically the younger you are the more likely you are to be coerced and manipulated by someone older.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Of course most parents don’t like children to be sexualized. Most people in general find that offensive.

          There is, however, a strict limit to be drawn about what happens in real life and what happens inside a person’s head.

          My main problem is that certain idiots from the moral brigade have taken their old stand-by and decided that whatever goes on inside someone’s head must eventually happen outside of it.

          I don’t like the way a pedophile thinks. But the day I decide for myself what may happen inside another person’s head is the day I’ve chosen the nazis were right in trying to censor imagination. And as long as I’m aware of this, I think I’ll be at least a decent facsimile of a human being.

      • Danny

        Christopher kiddyfidler I find you very offensive.

        Children that have been sexually exploited generally have mental issues throughout their lives and many become recidivists or homeless. Children have no way of knowing what is right in a relationship and you exploiting that fact to get your end away is just wrong!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-F-Morissette/574885475 Charles F. Morissette

          I would like to point out that most of Egyptian Pharoes and a rediculous amount of ancient cultues (Greeks) had a lot of pedophellia in their midsts. Either you’re saying a high percentage of people before 1970 had massive mental issues (which stopped about when kid’s became sexually protected. . . Even though our culture is steeped in mental issues).

          I am personally fully in agreement with protecting kids. But I’m just saying, it won’t necessarily make a person insane (kind of like how in the 1950s people though being steeped in satan == you’re a mental nutcase OH HAI everyone who listens to heavy metal!)

        • Ven

          @ C.F. Morissette

          They also had a great deal of open sewage upstream. And slaves. And objects known as women. Forced religion, inbred royalty, and an aversion to many sciences. You can go ahead and keep those as well.

      • Anonymous

        TF is dedicated to “BitTorrent and everything that is closely related to this popular filesharing protocol”. Whatever your views on pedophilia, I’m sure there are forums and discussion boards you can talk about it. Pedophilia-apologizing posts on filesharing-related discussion boards only serve the purposes of those who use pedophilia as a trojan horse to all things copyright-related.
        Let’s just not go there, shall we? :-)

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  • Alyssa Blindy

    I’m on the side of the civil liberties, sorryyyyy. Lol.

    • Anonymous

      You should not have to apologize for your freedom.

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  • Neotoasty

    To me it’s the hundreds upon thousands upon millions sacrificed (in addition, the many minds actively trying to preserve) to put forth the civil liberties of today. Up against the monetary greed and totalitarian control for the greater evil.

    I say I pick the side of civil liberty.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Copyright regime? Wow, we’re really leaning into the fear mongering thing now, aren’t we? Everyone watch out for the dreaded traffic light state that coerces you to stop when the light turns red.

    Copyright is a law, just like any other. Perhaps a little over enforced, but that’s hardly surprising given the lengths pirates have to in order to pretend it doesn’t exist.

    • Fredrika

      > “Copyright is a law, just like any other.”

      Can you name any other law that hundreds of millions of people disregard on a regular basis, a law which people have formed political parties against in around 50 countries all over the world? A law which in no way follows the rules for legitimate legislation as in being based on any actual verifiable evidence for claimed problem that needs to be solved, little less function and proportionality.

      On the contrary, it seems as if it’s the copyright monopoly is indeed a law like no other.

      But then again, facts where never your strong side, now was it?

      • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

        How about theft? Cars and petty theft. Each year, there are millions of acts of theft just in the United States alone. Rest assured, there is a very real problem. It’s just that pirates have brainwashed each other into believing that payment is somehow extraneous.

        Those are hardly facts that you’ve outlined. I think fantasies is the more appropriate term.

        Furthermore, there is no such thing as a “copyright monopoly.” That’s a contradiction in terms. A monopoly only applies to a commodity such as wood or plastic. If Warner Bros somehow became the only distributor of movies, then that would be a monopoly. If a studio put its time and money, into something (say a game or a movie) it only follows that they should retain the choice of how it is distributed. You would too, Fredricka, if you put months of your life into something.

        • Fredrika

          > “How about theft?”

          Theft is the act of depriving someone from their property, so that they no longer have this piece of unique property in their possession. The laws that forbid this are fully accepted in society, no political parties are advocating that theft of peoples property should be legalized.

          > “Each year, there are millions of acts of theft just in the United States alone.”

          Are you saying that hundreds of millions of people, close to a billion, as with numbers of people filesharing, are committing theft on a regular basis? And that they have formed political parties against ownership, and the the laws against theft are not following the rules for how legitimate legislation should be drafted? No of course not, so your example was not even close in comparison.

          > “Rest assured, there is a very real problem.”

          Well some people claim this, yet they continuously fail to produce any evidence supporting this claim.

          The evidence that does exist however, clearly says that there isn’t a problem with people filesharing, but that in on a contrary is good for society.

          > “It’s just that pirates have brainwashed each other into believing that payment is somehow extraneous.”

          There’s nothing to pay for, when you yourself perform the work of manufacturing something with your own physical property, that you own. The price for that can never be anything else than zero. That price is not up for discussion. Any eventual brainwashing is irrelevant to that indisputable fact.

          You can verify this indisputable fact by either sweeping your own floor, with your own broom, or by instructing your own computer to place the ones and zeros on your own hard drive in a specific pattern. No cost will arise. The price for what you just did is zero.

          > “Those are hardly facts that you’ve outlined.”

          Are you denying the fact that hundreds of millions of people fileshare on a regular basis?

          Are you denying the fact that people have formed Pirate Parties all over the world, in around 50 countries?

          Are you denying the fact that legislation must uphold to the three rules of providing verifiable documentation that proves need because of a documented problem, that such legislation works, and that the upholding of such legislations must constitute a proportionate intrusion into people freedom, property rights and human rights?

          > “I think fantasies is the more appropriate term.”

          The only fantasies in this debate is the claim that filesharing constitutes a problem

          > “Furthermore, there is no such thing as a “copyright monopoly.”"

          Oh but there is. Please look up the term monopoly in a dictionary or on Wikipedia. When the government privileges you a legislative exclusive right to performs a task that anyone can perform, then you are the owner of a legislative monopoly or government-granted monopoly. This is among the first thing you learn on a legal or economical education, when you deal with intellectual property laws, and the difference between a free market and a monopoly controlled market.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly

          > “A government-granted monopoly or legal monopoly, by contrast, is sanctioned by the state, often to provide an incentive to invest in a risky venture or enrich a domestic interest group. Patents, copyright, and trademarks are all examples of government granted and enforced monopolies.”

          Everybody else knows and accept this fundamental fact about what copyright is, why do you deny it?

          > “If Warner Bros somehow became the only distributor of movies, then that would be a monopoly.”

          And Warner Bros is indeed the only distributor of movies which they hold the copyright monopoly to.

          > “If a studio put its time and money, into something (say a game or a movie) it only follows that they should retain the choice of how it is distributed.”

          There’s a difference between having a choice of what they wish to do, and being privileged with a legislative monopoly that performs an intrusion into everybody else’s property, forbidding them to do with it as they wish.

          > “..if you put months of your life into something.”

          The fact that entrepreneurs of their own free will choose to take a risk, sinking money and time into working on something with absolutely no guarantee of making any money from it, does in no way equal that they then naturally deserve to be privileged with a legislative monopoly that forbids other people to manufacture goods with their property.

        • Herptyderp

          Actually “copyright monopoly” is a Pleonasm like “white snow”. They don’t contradict each other, they simply state the obvious.

          Monopolies work the same on digital commodity as they do on any other. Only they are listed under services, also called intangible commodity. A monopoly doesn’t need you to distribute ALL movies, software, operating systems or ALL services in the world.

          You would understand this if you had put more then 5 minutes into reading something as simple as Wiki. Or better yet had put months of your life into studying law.

          Did you even put any time into reading her post? Because you are claiming that people have formed political parties in around 50 countries all over the world in favor of stealing cars. Yes, there was a second part to her question that you should have included.

          I for one do not claim payment for digital goods is extraneous. But i do find it appalling that; the civil liberties many people gave their lives for (possibly even your grandfather) are being stripped away to enforce the working of a business model. I have to give up some of my hard won freedom so they don’t have to change the way they sell movies. That is what is wrong with it. And that is why people are calling it a regime.

        • Danny

          Hahaha, jack comes back and says his first words in weeks and instantly gets smacked the fuck down.

        • Anonymous

          Really wish you had continued and finished your explanation of how “the copyright regime as “monopoly” doesn’t exist and is a “contradiction in terms”.

          Thought I was going to learn some really advanced economics there, for a second. I’m really interested. Suggestion though, you really need to trash that bit about monopoly attributes only applying to commodities (by which I assume you refer to markets of material commodities). In today’s societies the most important “commodities” (in the sense of being essential factors of production) are “intangible” assets; actually, ideas. Monopoly indeed has more to do with the absence of competition than the specific kind of market affected. Consumers suffer the effects of monopoly in any market in which one producer, or group of producers acting non-competitively as one, can dictate terms and price to consumers by controlling supply. Sounds Familiar? Let me be specific, Warner Brothers and its few brothers and cousins act as one to protect a monopoly previlege under which a cartel of digital distributers gets to gouge six billion human beings in perpetuity by charging “physical world distribution costs” in a digital environment where the actual distribution costs are mathematical zero under the one hundred year cover of a corrupt law produced undemocraticly. Sounds bad, but it gets worse: The product monopolized is the sum total of human ideas, perpetual corporate control of which will turn democratic citizens into slaves.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          “How about theft? Cars and petty theft.”

          When you can make a case on the proliferance of petty theft being a good reason for placing every citizen under mass surveillance or allow Wal-mart to show up at every citizen’s home and demand they display the purchase receipts they have for every item they could see said citizen unloading from their car – then you may have a point.

          So no, again your argument fails on every level.

        • Guest

          Long time no see! LMAO

    • Anonymous

      Most people don’t actually have a problem with the concept of copyright but one of the monopoly that exists that abuses copyright and all around it.

      For example copyright is reasonable had it benefited the artists but instead as any artist knows they have to surrender their copyright ownership of media to get published. Music usually belongs to the record labels and books to the book publisher. Don’t sign that contract to surrender ownership and you wont get distributed or published.

      This is obviously a situation that is quickly exploited when now your media belong to them and all you have is a contract. The small print allows artist abuse that copyright law does not. Then like stated recently then when one company buys a record label all contracts are null and void when that company no longer exists but before their closure they transfer ownership of all their copyrighted works the new company. The result here being the new label can now sell this music with no obligation at all to pay the musicians any money.

      You of course cannot refuse to turn over ownership and claim you are being forced into a contract under duress when copyright law made this lawful.

      Then the copyright span of life plus 70 years benefits artists nor society none when this is all a creation of these middlemen seeking eternal ownership and profit.

      Life is changing though when the Internet allows free distribution and whatever promotion your want without losing your copyright. Creative Common is a great idea but infringing file sharing is all about doing a fundamental change to the market. Nothing sells media better than popularity and file sharing can be a great promotional tool.

      In the end copyright will still exist. Artists and the public will be much better in touch with all desired middlemen services kept well under control. The span of copyright will be much reduced with the understanding that a copyright free media library can much benefit creation. Then we will have a free and open market and no major monopoly or market abuse.

    • Alberto Ferreiro

      I don’t think so. Information Age technology has a great

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      “Perhaps a little over enforced, but that’s hardly surprising…”

      In other words, it’s the woman’s fault she’s being raped and beaten for being provocative. Thank you for once again bringing this to the table.

      Jack, once again I fear we have to point out that even if every person in the world was downloading stuff illegally, the total loss of civil rights pertaining to communication is NOT an acceptable price to pay.

      That’s the problem right there. If copyright can not survive without such enforcement then copyright will be the one to go – not our civil rights. There is no justification you can place here which would allow the alternative.

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  • Friend of the People

    Interesting post. I have to say I agree with the overall conclusion of the article.

    In my own experience, I interpret most pirate activities as being a result of entitlement, and to some degree, greed. It does bother me that whenever I buy something, I’m subsidizing someone else’s greed, and it bothers me that we consider that greed (personal greed) acceptable when we demonize corporate greed. However, I can acknowledge that the limitations placed by copyright generally infringe on individual liberties, which is a more damaging solution. It is based on the idea of monitoring markets and private communications. That’s just not acceptable in a Western democracy.

    In an ideal world, people would be generous, and artists would be able to make stuff for free, and individuals wouldn’t make their decisions based on greed. However, it’s important to know that placing limitations on behavior won’t come close enough to achieving the desired result without placing a burden on individual liberty. In short, we have to let people be entitled or be assholes, so long as they aren’t placing anyone else at risk by doing it.

    (And as a quick note, I do realize that some people pirate for reasons such as it being unavailable in their region, or some other reason similar to that, which are generally acceptable. However, those reasons don’t make up the majority, and definitely don’t apply to most people in the E.U. or the U.S. Oh, and I know it’s not “stealing”. Let’s just sidestep all of that right now).

    • Danny

      ‘Pirates’ as you call them are generally not greedy and in no way feel entitled. The majority of them spend more money on music and DVDs than the rest of the population.

      Most artists create because they love to, not because they see the $$ signs. Artists can and do make stuff for free these days, infact they always have done. Nowadays recording high quality audio tracks at home is very easy, distribution is free, and you can monetise it very easily with advertising or selling directly to iTunes or whatever. Artists don’t actually need the record labels any more and I think this is the true reason for all the fighting back!

      In response to your final paragraph,

      Last night I went to see a live show of the Trailer Park Boys (Canadian TV Show) they owe all of their fame here in the UK to bit torrent and file sharing. They would not ever have made it to TV here had we all not downloaded, watched, and become fans, they are now exploiting this fame by touring (the place was packed) and it was an awesome show (I would pay to go again!). This is a prime example of the power of free distribution and free advertising that file sharing brings.

      • Anonymous

        Yes and Internet fame is an aspect that SOPA is trying to kill.

        Justin Bieber is a popular example here when his fame came about by covering popular songs without approval and uploading them to YouTube. A Harvard law professor states that under SOPA he would have gotten up to 3 years for his first offence and up to 6 years for his second offence.

        Even had the judge only gave him a token small fine then a felony conviction is plenty enough to stamp out musicians emerging this way.

        I mention this when J. Bieber was recently on TV here which seems a better option for his fans than in a prison cell serving a lengthy term and kissed goodnight by his hairy tattooed boyfriend.

    • Friend of the People

      First, I’m not saying that a filesharing based system can’t be beneficial to the artist. That wasn’t even a small part of my argument.

      You don’t seem to understand the entitlement argument. I’m not saying they don’t spend any money; the data shows something different. I’m saying that the attitude they have is problematic, namely this one that you actually seem to show. “I spent money buying music or movies or games already, so I should be able to download the rest of what I want”. It’s the conception that this is deserved, and the lack of restraint. That’s entitlement.

      Artists can create things for free, and I have no problem when they choose to. However, in the current system, that choice is taken out of their hands by the filesharers. They have absolutely no say. That’s why I dislike it. Filesharers exhibit a similar behavior here to the copyright industry; they both remove the choice from the artist. Now, in a choice between the two, I’ll choose the filesharers because their system isn’t based on repression.

      In the end, filesharing should be legal, for the same reason that drugs should be legal; restrictions on property are a threat to a democratic society, and while they may be very slightly effective, aren’t worth the cost and sacrifices that have to be put into them.

      • Fredrika

        > “I’m saying that the attitude they have is problematic, namely this one that you actually seem to show. “I spent money buying music or movies or games already, so I should be able to download the rest of what I want”. It’s the conception that this is deserved, and the lack of restraint. That’s entitlement.”

        If we rewrite that so that it actually fits reality, and what actually takes place when people fileshare, it’s the feeling of entitlement to peoples own property, and using it in a manner that gives them joy, that you try to describe.

        The real question is not if people deserve to use their own property for personal use, in a manner that gives them joy, but if copyright holders deserves to be privileged with a copyright monopoly that performs an intrusion into peoples own property, forbidding them to use it as they wish.

        The fact that some pirates possibly try to excuse their behaviours when filesharing, with excuses that you personally find weak, does not equal that they are evil, bad or unethical people, Their response trying to excuse themselves is a forced response to the fact that the copyright industry is trying tries to guilt them into thinking that they are doing something wrong.

        With little or no deeper understanding about what copyright actually is, or the fact that the parts of the copyright monopoly that forbid filesharing are made up if illegitimate legislation, and that pirates actually have no need whatsoever to try to excuse their behaviour and filesharing, it’s natural that their meaningless excuses are possibly less than sustainable according to your personal subjective taste.

        So the next time you hear a pirate trying to come up with excuses, instead of annoying yourself with what they come up with, educate them on the fact that no excuses are ever needed for why they wish to use their own property in a manner that gives them joy and saves them money. Ownership of property and capitalism are two concepts that are since long excused, explained and accepted by society.

        > “However, in the current system, that choice is taken out of their hands by the filesharers. They have absolutely no say. That’s why I dislike it.”

        That’s the way it has been for over 150 years, since public libraries become common, where intellectual works are distributed free on a commercial scale, without creators having anything to say in the matter. This has been the current system for a long long time.

        And secondly, copyright has never been about out of principle privileging creators with absolute control of how their works are used and distributed, so you out of principle disliking it only shows that you don’t understand the concept of copyright to begin with.

        > “Filesharers exhibit a similar behavior here to the copyright industry..”

        Filesharers display society’s normal behaviour since thousands of years back. Copying great things and sharing is two of the most fundamental aspects of human behaviour.

        • Friend of the People

          What you bring up is a reason for why anyone should have the legal right to fileshare (and please, don’t jump on the word “right”, because it will just end with me having to write a long paragraph saying we aren’t in disagreement about the meaning of the word). People should be able to post copies of their property

          “The fact that some pirates possibly try to excuse their behaviours when filesharing, with excuses that you personally find weak, does not equal that they are evil, bad or unethical people…”

          I don’t find their reasons weak; I just find that their reasons are based on greed. That’s doesn’t make them any worse than the rest of the population, but that doesn’t mean I can’t be bothered by it. It’s greed, and for most people, it isn’t sharing, because most people don’t ever upload anything. I can understand how uploading could be classified as sharing (I don’t think it meets the colloquial requirement for sharing, although it probably fits the technical side, and no, I won’t debate further on that because I’ve done that enough recently).

          And to be frank, even if people can use their property however they want, that doesn’t mean they aren’t bad people for doing so. My neighbor can play his stereo system at 3:00 in the morning so loud I can’t sleep. The entire neighborhood has complained, but we have no legal recourse (our noise limits are very lenient). He’s free to use his property however he likes. He isn’t causing any harm. He isn’t intending to harass anyone. He is exercising his property rights. It’s convenient for him because he works day jobs. His behavior is still selfish.

          The basic principle is still the same. Their behavior is based on personal greed. That doesn’t make them any worse than the rest of society, and indeed, you can find that to be entirely acceptable.

          And I know copyright has never been about assigning absolute power. That’s an unfair extrapolation of my argument. I’m saying that filesharing removes all power, and leaves the artist with none. Their only choice is to either go along with filesharing, (which many artists choose to do willingly, and I applaud that decision), or go against it, and have their choice disrespected. There isn’t any consideration given to the artists beyond that level. Again, that’s better than the alternative where control is exercised to force the artist’s choice to be respected, but the disrespect is still present.

          Hope you see this. I know the Discus profile won’t report it, and I can’t respond directly to you because I don’t have one. Well, we’ll see.

          “The fact that some pirates possibly try to excuse their behaviours when filesharing, with excuses that you personally find weak, does not equal that they are evil, bad or unethical people…”

          I don’t find their reasons weak; I just find that their reasons are based on greed. That’s doesn’t make them any worse than the rest of the population, but that doesn’t mean I can’t be bothered by it. It’s greed, and for most people, it isn’t sharing, because most people don’t ever upload anything. I can understand how uploading could be classified as sharing (I don’t think it meets the colloquial requirement for sharing, although it probably fits the technical side, and no, I won’t debate further on that because I’ve done that enough recently).

          And to be frank, even if people can use their property however they want, that doesn’t mean they aren’t bad people for doing so. My neighbor can play his stereo system at 3:00 in the morning so loud I can’t sleep. The entire neighborhood has complained, but we have no legal recourse (our noise limits are very lenient). He’s free to use his property however he likes. He isn’t causing any harm. He isn’t intending to harass anyone. He is exercising his property rights. It’s convenient for him because he works day jobs. His behavior is still selfish.

          The basic principle is still the same. Their behavior is based on personal greed. That doesn’t make them any worse than the rest of society, and indeed, you can find that to be entirely acceptable.

          And I know copyright has never been about assigning absolute power. That’s an unfair extrapolation of my argument. I’m saying that filesharing removes all power, and leaves the artist with none. Their only choice is to either go along with filesharing, (which many artists choose to do willingly, and I applaud that decision), or go against it, and have their choice disrespected. There isn’t any consideration given to the artists beyond that level. Again, that’s better than the alternative where control is exercised to force the artist’s choice to be respected, but the disrespect is still present.

          Hope you see this. I know the Discus profile won’t report it, and I can’t respond directly to you because I don’t have one. Well, we’ll see.

        • Fredrika

          > “What you bring up is a reason for why anyone should have the legal right to fileshare (and please, don’t jump on the word “right”, because it will just end with me having to write a long paragraph saying we aren’t in disagreement about the meaning of the word).”

          I will indeed jump on the word right in conjunction with the phrasing should have, because again it seems that you try to reverse the order of society in your argument.

          They don’t need to find a reason for why they should have a right to fileshare, they are allowed to fileshare until people advocating it finds a reason for why they shouldn’t be allowed to fileshare.

          > “I don’t find their reasons weak; I just find that their reasons are based on greed.”

          Another word for that is capitalism, as in the desire to use once resources as economically as possible. Since when is there something greedy or wrong with trying to save money, by using your own property in an economical manner? If you chose to use your own broom to sweep your floor, instead of hiring an entrepreneur that tries to make money from sweeping floors, are you greedy then? Obviously not.

          > “He isn’t causing any harm.”

          He obviously is harming your peace.

          > “The basic principle is still the same. Their behavior is based on personal greed.”

          In no way is it comparable. The filesharer’s action is based on capitalism, the desire to use once property in a manner that saves you money. There’s nothing selfish about that. The neighbours behaviour is based on lack of empathy and understanding of the actual harm he causes people. People filesharing cause no harm. The fact that their behaviour possibly leads to entrepreneurs having a harder time selling a certain type of goods or service does not equal harm. The entrepreneur has 100% of the responsibility to try to get his business working, competetion from people trying to save money does not equal harm.

          > “I’m saying that filesharing removes all power, and leaves the artist with none.”

          No. They still have the for-profit and moral parts of their monopoly intact. Filesharing and the proposed removal of the control over filesharing does in no way equal that all power is gone, only a small part of it, as when libraries became the norm. A part of their monopoly that they never should have been privileged with in the first place none the less, had the copyright monopoly followed the rules for drafting legitimate legislation, based on documented need, function and proportionality.

          > “Their only choice is to either go along with filesharing, or go against it, and have their choice disrespected.”

          Their choice? It is the public’s choice if they wish to privilege the authors with that choice in the first place. The public has never demanded that authors should be privileged with control over non-profit use in the copyright monopoly in the first place. They should never have been privileged with that choice in the first place, if the copyright monopoly had followed the rules of how legitimate legislation should be drafted.

          The fact that a choice the authors should never have had in the first place, is taken away from them does not constitute a problem, the problem was that they unfortunately was privileged with it in the first place, and filesharing is the solution to that problem.

          > “There isn’t any consideration given to the artists beyond that level.”

          As entrepreneurs they have no right to or need for any consideration from the public, as in people not using their own property in a manner that saves them money. All responsibility falls on the entrepreneur. If he fails, he failed on his own.

          > “..but the disrespect is still present.”

          There’s no more disrespect in the act of manufacturing a copy with your own property, of an intellectual work that the author freely chose to publish, than what it is disrespectful to record the music of a street performer, and making a copy of his music at home because you liked it.

          > “Hope you see this.”

          Obviously i will since you posted it as a reply to me.

          > “I know the Discus profile won’t report it..”

          Obviously it did since you posted it as a reply to me.

          > “..and I can’t respond directly to you because I don’t have one.”

          You just did?

        • Friend of the People

          That last paragraph was written when I was trying to post it for the first time. It wouldn’t post as a reply to you, so I decided to just post it to myself and write the explanation and post as a reply to myself. When I reloaded the page, it started working, and I forgot to delete the ending. My mistake. I’m sorry.

          Ok, I’ll give the paragraph about rights to show that we don’t actually disagree. Rights, in the sense of the U.S. constitution, are things that explicitly can not be forbidden or mandated by the government. Rights serve as a limitation on governmental power, not as a prescription of what citizens may do. For example, the right to free speech in the U.S. constitution is a ban on government interference in free speech. I mean the same thing here. It’s arguing semantics, and trust me, I’m not reordering society as you claim. I’ve read your claim on this before, I know what you’re saying, and I guarantee you that I don’t disagree here. Happy?

          As for my neighbor, I don’t agree at all that he’s causing harm. He’s being disrespectful and disruptive, but there is no harm. I’m the one annoyed by what he does; he hasn’t robbed me of anything or had any intent to do damage; there is no harm.

          However, if you want a better example of how disrespect is not linked to harm, I can provide that. Say that I choose to take someone’s work, say… The Lord of the Rings, and I write a new version where everyone is an idiot and the primary mode of communication is sodomy. I could do that; I’m certainly not harming Tolkien (or his estate, but for the purposes of the argument, assume I’m doing this with someone alive). It doesn’t affect anyone directly, like the neighbor. However, despite the lack of harm, the lack of harassment, and the lack of slander, this is still intensely disrespectful. I could say the same thing about swearing in a public place; it’s not illegal (not where I live at least; again, lax on the restrictions), it harms no one, but it’s very disrespectful to everyone around you.

          The difference in your argument seems to center on the amount of respect due to the artist, and to be honest, I don’t agree with you. Your argument seems to be based on the idea that because the behavior isn’t harmful, it can’t be disrespectful, and I find that idea to be completely false.

          I admit that I can’t force my view onto society; I can’t make them into law, and I can’t make people agree. I have to concede that filesharing is not unethical, not immoral, and by no means should be banned; however, that does not mean that it’s not a disrespectful thing to do.

          And, considering I won’t be here in 30 minutes, I’ll bid you a good farewell. I see why you believe what you do, and I see your logic, but I disagree with I few fundamental principles. I would like to apologize if I’ve seemed disrespectful anywhere here, I’ve not been having a great day.

        • Fredrika

          > “..and I guarantee you that I don’t disagree here. Happy?”

          Somewhat, and i do understand that we agree, but i wish you stopped writing sentences like that anyway, because what you actually wrote was “What you bring up is a reason for why anyone should have the legal right to fileshare”.

          I did not argue for the US Constitution, or why it should exist. And yes, i know the word right is used semantically a bit backwards in the US constitution, but if you’re gonna use in the same backwards manner, you really have to clarify what you refer to, because it that sentence above it does sound as if you say that i’m arguing for why people should have such rights, and i don’t, i do not argue for something that the US Constitution has already established.

          And secondly, i’m not even sure to what context of what i wrote you were responding to, since you never quote, i wish you did. When you don’t quote and put it in to context, the risk increases of answers being harder to to both write and interpret.

          > “As for my neighbor, I don’t agree at all that he’s causing harm.”

          I find that extremely puzzling, although again it can be semantically. Even though your laws against disturbing the peace doesn’t seems to be enough in this case, you do have such to some extent, and you must recognize that peoples need for peace and quite is an established concept in society, regardless of what the law says, since the majority of the people in society work during the days and sleep at night?

          > “He’s being disrespectful and disruptive, but there is no harm.”

          Disturbing someone so much that he can’t sleep, at a time of day when most people in society sleep, sleep which the human body requires for health reasons, well i consider that harming someone.

          > “However, despite the lack of harm, the lack of harassment, and the lack of slander, this is still intensely disrespectful.”

          I could possibly agree to that, and that would be the reason why copyright has moral rights, which your described act could possibly infringe on, but filesharing does not touch on the moral rights of copyright, they touch on the economical parts, the distribution monopoly, and those parts of the copyright monopoly are there exclusively to benefit the public, not to show consideration or respect for the author.

          > “I could say the same thing about swearing in a public place; it’s not illegal (not where I live at least; again, lax on the restrictions), it harms no one, but it’s very disrespectful to everyone around you.”

          Well now were really on a sidetrack, but you could just as easily argue that it’s those who wish to not hear swear words in public that are disrespectful, if they argue that all other people should restrain from free speech and only use certain language to not upset their personal subjective taste in language.

          Using foul language in public may sound bad, it may reveal more about the swearer’s skills than what he wishes for, and it might make it harder for him to get his message through, when people risk losing track of what he’s saying since it’s woven into words irrelevant to an eventual argument, but i would not consider it to be disrespectful if he talks from his heart, possible in an uneducated or not so thought trough manner. The exception could possibly be if his desire is to upset someone, and is purposely using the swear words for that reason alone.

          But this could be a cultural thing. You seem to come from America, which is a country that many in the rest of the world consider to be a country made up of extremely week and fragile people, so week and fragile so that they need prohibitions against cursive language on TV and radio.

          > “The difference in your argument seems to center on the amount of respect due to the artist, and to be honest, I don’t agree with you.”

          We’re discussing filesharing and the distribution monopoly, which belong to the economical parts of the copyright monopoly. The economical parts of copyright have never existed to show the author respect. Therefore infringing on them or removing some of those privileges are in no way disrespectful to the author.

          > “Your argument seems to be based on the idea that because the behavior isn’t harmful, it can’t be disrespectful, and I find that idea to be completely false.”

          I have not argued based on any such idea. Again, please quote what you read in that manner, so that i can rewrite it until you understand what i mean better, because now you seem to have a problem with understanding what i write.

          > “I have to concede that filesharing is not unethical, not immoral, and by no means should be banned; however, that does not mean that it’s not a disrespectful thing to do.”

          So you do find it disrespectful to record a street musician, and later making a copy for personal use of that work that he freely chose to make available to the public?

          I seriously don’t see how you can consider it disrespectful to use one’s own property, to manufacture an item that gives the owner of that property pleasure, and that saves him money.

          What would be disrespectful would be to out of principle demand a copyright monopoly that forbids filesharing and performs an intrusion into all peoples property, just because you as an entrepreneur wish to make money, and wish to have a unnatural advantage on the market, and feeling entitled to such, believing that it’s more important than peoples own property rights and private life. That would constitute a free mentality of abnormal proportions, and indeed many people advocating against filesharing seems to build their entire case on this unethical disrespectful free mentality.

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  • foff

    Right on Ricky! Look all of you we now have ice taking domains and courts in Europe ordering censorship. This was unthinkable a few years ago. The copyright industry is going to continue to push for an erosion of rights. They want to get and maintain an absolute monopoly on an artificial non existent product at the cost of any and all freedoms. The hate idea that even one person sees a movie or hears a song free. They want complete control of the internet and to make sure if you download anything you pay out the ass for it. Look at ebooks that cost $15 and ask why in the hell do they cost that much? Why not $1.00 after all I have to the read the damn things they don’t read themselves.

    The point is the copyright industry will keep on pushing until we get the balls to push back. Copyright needs some drastic reforms since none of the copyright laws contemplated electronic forms. Printing a book and selling it without authorization in a commercial setting is light years away from sharing something electronically on a website. Copyright laws should protect the creative aspects of a work for a limited time but should not apply to non commercial electronic distribution. Once something is in public domain any copy downloaded and not paid for, for personal use should be treated as checked out of a library or as promotion. At some point a creator must rely on the honesty of those willing to pay the only alternative is to turn our society and internet into a police state and give up all our rights.

    • http://falkvinge.net Rick Falkvinge

      The point is the copyright industry will keep on pushing until we get the balls to push back.

      Yes, exactly.

      • Anonymous

        i dont think it’s so much a case of having the balls to push back, it’s more a case of not having the money to do so or able to get a politician to raise the issues in the various parliaments. ordinary members of the public dont have the financial resources to get those voted into office to listen, let alone act, on their/our behalf. all we are good for is to raise votes. once in office, the majority of politicians then do whatever big corporations want, ignoring the public until votes are needed again.

      • Guest

        have balls != money = power

  • Anonymous

    Columnist’s Ranting vs. Commenters Rationalization

    Nick Folkvinge
    December 11, 2011
    No Copyright Intended

    One of my first large trolling-for-pageview articles, in 2007, was called Columnist’s Ranting vs. Commenters’ Rationalization. In the 15-minute original rant at Torrentfreaks, I expelled at the computer all the attention getting keywords because of the understood authority of someone typing on the internet. What seemed to be the ramblings of a lunatic fringe’s paranoia five years ago is now becoming the massively attention-whoring writer that he seems to be today on this website.

    [sic]

    About El Rant’erino

    Nick Folkvinge is a regular ranter on TorrentFreak, sharing his ability to capture high page views through nonsensical arguments with himself every other week. He is the founder of the Something-or-other and first Privates Party, a pron aficionado, and a low-altitude thinker. His blog at falkvinge.net focuses on more nuttiness.

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      That was almost funny.
      Now crawl back into your dark cave CopyWrong Troll, and don’t come back out until the sunshine of freedom washes away your evil spirit.

      Only then will you be permitted to join us Humans (and even then as a pet on a leash). So prepare yourself for the shock of daylight and truth – you wont like it, but you’ll endure it like any other surviving Troll.

      Or you could you just fuck off and die instead – your choice.

    • Anonymous

      If ten million people were to read your comment, the only thing they’ld find therein is “lunatic” character assasination; and, when they’ld raise their eyes to look for the moron they’ld find you. You could have argued that you’re insightful; indeed brilliant; not to mention handsome and excessively endowed; or that at sometime in your life you have contributed a worthwhile point of view to a discussion. Many people here, including Rick, would have heard you fairly. But you did not take that opportunity or that responsibility. You chose instead to declare yourself the proud leader of the nation of ASSHOLES.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      So basically you are a low-class troll specializing in ill-conceived ad hominems without the ability to spell?

      Good for you. Now sit the fuck down and let the adults talk in peace.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Holy shit. 10/10 trolling! Hit the like button cause it made me laugh! (We need a funny button).

  • Trashmob

    You guys are whiny little bitches, comparing links to crappy tv shows with fee speech!

    • Trashmob

      I meant to write free speech… Dammit.

      • Anonymous

        Do you think it was Freudian?

    • Anonymous

      If only life was that simple.

      Try censorship.
      The disrespect of other countries and their law systems.
      Governmental monitoring and filtering,
      The pending destruction of services like YouTube.
      The great firewall of the USA (just like China!)
      Abusive monopoly.
      Falsely branding over 80,000 people as paedophiles.
      and so much more.

      Such free speech is protected speech. You may also care to note we have some serious political representation from Pirate Party and the Green Party. Then people who infringe copyright frequently (including your ‘crappy tv shows’) could well exceed 1 billion people.

      So how is that not serious?

      • Trashmob

        My point exactly. Those are the things we need to focus on and not the petty stuff like the file lockers and torrent link sites.

        And that’s why the pirates need to get their message straight if their argument in favor of free speech is to be taking seriously.

        • Anonymous

          So who here was discussing links to crappy tv shows?

          Entertainment media is something we all enjoy but we would not be here if we simply wanted to download. This is more about restructuring the market and reforming copyright. Our desires seem quite clear even if we don’t all agree.

          Reducing the term of copyright from the current life plus 70 years down to 20, 10 or even 5 years is our best universal political desire. Well over 98% of all profit from media is made in the first few years so why delay 100+ years more for the little extra?

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          It’s one and the same. The main issue being that the wedge being used is file lockers and torrent links.

          Since cyberlockers and torrent links – or similar technology – will always exist assuming there’s an internet to begin with, we either take the fight at this level or see the existence of those implementations used in order to justify the abolishment of free speech in general.

          In perspective this is like watching politicians arguing for mandatory GPS chipping for every citizen because the phenomenon of “speeding” exists. Of course you have to fight it right then and there.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      We aren’t talking about links to TV shows though. We are debating whether the fact that someone may or may not link to a TV show should have his webpage pulled as soon as anyone finding the link to which he points offensive in any way – including if he happens to own 100% of the material he links to.

      This is the problem. Owning a screwdriver enables theft in the same way that linking “enables” copyright infringement. Neither is a valid cause for demanding common jurisprudence be scrapped.

      Your argument lacks relevance, misspelling or not.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    There doesn’t seem to be much of a point in having a democracy if we’ve no civil liberties or Human Rights.

    So given that the MAFIAA and their paid-for political puppets in the USA want to destroy our society and thereby our very Humanity in favour of cash, profit and power over people – is it any wonder the USA has one of the largest problems on our puny Planet with crime?

    “Crime” that’s created as a direct consequence of the stupid laws that restrict people merely to benefit profiteering businesses who collectively demand a monopoly hold over us and our everyday actions. So much for freedom or even freedom of choice my friends, let alone DEMOCRACY … *faceslap

  • Anonymous

    Most of the analysis I see here goes to discription. I read it as a kind of initial shell shock; much in the same way as victims of a suicide bombing in Afganistan might
    focus on the color of the suicide bomber’s turban or how he moved slowly, and with stress, as if struggling under a heavy load. Their first self acknowledged response is, I suspect, silent surprise. Oh no! So much blood! That poor woman’s intestines shouldn’t be hanging there like that. God! My hand is gone!

    They have time to notice all, but not the instant it would take to comment. I suspect that their first actual speech a little later is too all about description, “He was tall.” “Yes, he came from over there.” “Such a loud Boom!” “Yeah, it smelled like burning matches. Then my head hurt, really bad.”

    It’s most likely quite a bit later that they go from being surprized to being angry; and, from repeating known facts more intensely, to asking the all impotant questions that must no longer remain unanswered.

    How can something like this have happened?

    Who is responsible for this?

    Why was it done?

    How are those responsible to be punished?

    Is it going to continue happening?

    What must be done to stop it?

    It is only after this questioning stage is well advanced that the “prescriptive thinking” with which effective leadership begin the hard task of proposing and organizing alternative solutions commences. Even then, what I have described here, is the process by which a small enlightened cadre emerges from the bowls of any crisis. The vast majority of our neighbors laugh uproriously at the thought that there’s a crisis.

    Ricks article, like our response, is about description. That is necessary and good.

    Yet, I believe that Rick’s real problem is about “prescription”: What can he prescribe that might awaken several billion neighbors who sleep the sleep of sheep and are in mortal danger of waking up to the tyranny they deserve, rather than the democracies they inherited.

  • Guest

    See, this is why we can never take the IP maximist trolls seriously, even if some of them are more like fringe cases and say things like, “Yeah yeah, I know that life + 95 years sucks, but you guys should stop whining and do something about it”. What we invariably end up with is something along the lines of “BA HA HA HA, you can’t ever do anything about it. Sucks to be you, now go pound sand.” Hence the consistent vitriol hurled in Rick’s direction.

  • Anon

    America is eating itself alive…and China is grabbing the scraps and one day will dwarf the US. So while they bicker China goes on not giving a hoot about copyright as that freedom makes china boom something the west does not understand. Oh they may say they d but they don’t. You can still buy in any Chinease market any pirated movie in nice cases that look real. So bicker away. America with entertainment has the same problem as the UK with banking it makes up too much of their economy so the are scared to do anything to harm it tand start making laws to ring fence it at the expense of all other areas of the enconemy. With China making some amazing movies now how long before we are the ones reading subtitles?

    • Anonymous

      I read subtitles right now. But then, I was never much impressed by the xenophobic crap behind American exeptionalism.

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  • Analyst

    The public has a common misconception about copyrights and the much of the “Bad Law” surrounding it.

    Copyrights were originally intended to allow the original creator of intellectual property to have the opportunity to recover the expenses incurred in that creation before that intellectual property became available to the general.

    This protection was intended to end with the life of the one (living human) who created such property. The property would then become public!
    Politicians, Lawyers and their creations – Corporations – have perverted and exploited this protection by “giving” “Fictitious Creations” (corporations) the “right” to own property!

    Corporations never die nor can they be “injured” as they have no actual existence!
    The matter of Corporate “property rights” has been expanded by misinterpretation of various court “clip notes”.

    Since Politicians and most Lawyers are dependent on Corporations for most of their revenue this is not likely to be resolved in favor of the public.

    Corporations never die and have “all of eternity” to recover any expanses incurred. Presently most expenses are quickly recovered and the rest is simply price gouging.

    Adam Smith said it best when he taught us that: When a product is sold at a competitive price it discourages competition. Competition compels all parties to sell products at the best price possible to insure a fair profit over the actual cost of products.

    It is only when that price is excessive that government regulation is needed to protect the greed of such businesses!

    For more education on how the public can peacefully change this kind of abuse start at the following web site.

    It is not the best site because it is missing a lot of good information but it is a good place to start looking.

    http://www.FIJA.org

    If you do not know the words you can never ask the questions. If you can not ask the questions you will never find the answers!

    Governments derive all of their power from the Consent of the Governed!

    Everyone can revoke that consent – peacefully but firmly!

  • Anon

    The reason the copyright industry loves child porn so much is because they can’t legally own the rights to the images.

  • Scott Miller

    I agree that copyright rules have gotten out of hand, mostly due to lobbyists and the like. But that’s about as much of this nonsense as I agree with. How does logging internet traffic interfere with free speech? It may possibly cause concern about true freedom of speech ON THE INTERNET, but that’s just one medium. And how is that any different than publishing something in a newspaper? There’s a record of that, too — the newspaper itself! Same with television. And you can hide behind a blogger just like you can hide behind a professional journalist. How has any of this harmed the Occupy Wall Street movement, for example? How would it? Freedom of speech still exists.

    What we are dealing with here is more a matter of expectation and entitlement than anything else. The idea of free speech is strictly a matter of LEGAL freedom to state opinions. It does not free you from facing consequences of every kind. Your boss can fire you for making the company look bad in public, but somehow the internet is supposed to change all that? Why should it? What this is really about is how people have become emboldened by the sense of anonymity the internet offers, and they don’t want to lose that. They want to feel like they can get away with anything, and they believe that is their right. But it isn’t.

    There are some very real issues that need to be addressed, but I believe the “down with copyright” crowd are just as bad as the enemies they rail against. Most of them do not believe in freedom of speech any more than the corporations want to stop child pornography. What they want is to be able to get whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want, without people telling them that they are thieves. They have already justified it in their minds, and they want other people to accept it so they can maintain their self-delusion. The idea that many of their ideas would result in a dramatic decrease in the quality of published works is lost on them. They think they can have their cake and eat it too.

    But they can’t, because what they want is what’s best for them, just like corporations want what’s best for the corporation. What we need is a government free from lobbyists to make disinterested decisions that will balance fairness to all. Until we have that, this debate will only deepen the divide in our society.

    • Anonymous

      In the US “Bill of Rights” the right to Freedom of Speech is the First Amendment while the right to Privacy (including Anonymity) is the Fourth Amendment. So you are confusing two different vital rights.

      A person has the right to conduct themselves on the Internet in an Anonymous way according to the highest law in the United States and this anonymity cannot be infringed until the day there is suitable evidence to prove they have committed a crime.

      So wanting to “wire tap” people for logging purposes is a serious violation of their rights little different to what former President Nixon found with Watergate. This is all monitor them just in case they may commit a crime which is totally wrong.

      People are not “hiding behind their rights” when these same trampling of their rights happens to everyone on the Internet and not just the few people seen to be the problem. I can also assure you that one side respect public rights much more than the other.

      There are also other major problems like with the DHS’s ICE division totally opposed to “justice” and “due process” two more key rights violated.

      This is not to forget that these rights are being trampled not so much by the Government but in the name of a Hollywood based private company for a “commercial product”. What next MacDonalds wire trapping people to see how many download the MacDonalds recipes from the Internet and making their own BigMacs at home?

      Of course that is totally stupid and not just because no food or drink product can be copyrighted or patented (beyond some GM products… wrongly),

      So this is all about telling them to “sod off” and leave our Internet alone. Their is not the problem they claim and neither will we allow them to seize control over parts of the Internet. They should be working to tap and exploit the market as it currently exists and not to try and control and lock up the market.

      • Scott Miller

        I’m not talking about wiretapping or the fourth amendment. I’m saying most of the “down with copyright” crowd want to hide behind their anonymity to do whatever they want without repercussion. Life doesn’t work that way. Every action has a consequence, legal or otherwise. But people today don’t want to deal with consequences. They think they can do and say anything they want and it’s no big deal. And so they try to steal copyrighted material and actually get upset when they are told it is illegal! They get upset when they get in trouble for breaking the law! (“But the cops shouldn’t have KNOWN I was breaking the law!”) So they claim to be fighting in the name of freedom and whatnot, but in reality it’s their own selfishness that’s at work here.

        That’s my point. Let’s stop acting like this movement is for any noble purpose. The vast majority of the people in favor of it only want to be use the internet to bypass laws they would otherwise have to abide by. They are no better than the corporations they preach against.

        Now, if people will stop illegally downloading copyrighted material and STILL be willing to fight for the principle of an open internet and all that — that’s when I’ll join in.

        • Anonymous

          I am someone who has been strongly opposed to copyright, or more directly the problems copyright cause, for the past 14 years. The problems are much more complex than you would believe.

          One problem is that Copyright Law often says one thing but then organizations “write their own laws” using technical means including encryption and content control. They steal rights that people should have under the law.

          A modern example is the CI+ format (Common Interface Plus) used in the satellite tv market. They wanted to improve the security of the CI format and it is no surprise they encrypted the link between the receiver and the CAM when that was always a security weak area. However to my great annoyance they did not stop there when they also decided to encrypt the content that people recorded to their receiver’s built in HDD.

          In other words they aim to stop people being able to transfer recordings outside of their receiver such as to their computer or MP4 player. The public are being given no option in this when it is either upgrade to CI+ or you lose access to the channels you want to watch. The monopoly has spoken and voted in favour of stronger control with public abuse. Copyright law does not say they can and should do this.

          I am someone who well knows that limitations like these give the public problems in doing the things they want to do. Society is not corrupt or immoral and simply want to enjoy content in the way they choose. Even on the Internet there was no music, tv episodes or movies until infringement met that demand. No lawful choice at all to see the latest media on their laptop. If the old markets cannot meet the demands of the new market then who should? The innovators.

          In the past years for me one popular subject was helping people copy their old VHS tapes to DVD when of course technology has moved on. Why should they buy the same movie again when they already have it on VHS? One DVD recorder later and they hit well known problems called Macrovision and CGMS designed to stop them copying tapes. Since transporting their library to DVD sounds very “fair use” to me then so do I supply a device to help them strip out Macrovision and CGMS resulting in happy people with mission successful.

          Even right here people will openly admit to doing infringement and some will even give their names and addresses. They strongly believe in what they are doing and know the law and punishments.

          Not all people are good people but look at one end truth. Infringing music is still freely available on the Internet but the majority these days BUY LAWFUL MUSIC from iTunes or one of the many other suppliers. Internet music sales now exceed traditional music sales.

          And this is why I say all the tv series and movie producers have to do is to MEET THE PUBLIC DEMAND. People will pay because they are law abiding citizens who only want what they want. My own problems against copyright are much deeper rooted and I will always fight their abuses of the public.

        • Scott Miller

          @Violated0, I don’t know why you think I don’t understand copyright. I have produced copyrighted material for over 10 years, so I’m not some idiot spouting off here.

          Members of society do not have the right to choose to do what they want when it violates the law. You can be opposed to copyright all you want, but saying copyright violation isn’t immoral doesn’t make it not immoral. As I said, people like you justify to yourselves so you don’t have to deal with the fact that you are thieves.

          You currently have the right to use any copyrighted material in any personal, non-public way you see fit. I oppose any change to that. So I readily admit that there are things about the copyright laws and the system that need to be addressed. But as it is, you have the right to use the physical property you bought, NOT the content on it. You bought the disc, you can do whatever you want WITH THE DISC, not with the content on the disc. It’s that simple. You bought the tape, you didn’t buy the disc. SO YOU DON’T HAVE A DISC. That’s how it works, and it sounds perfectly fair to me. Besides, it isn’t like transferring it to disc gives you better quality. It’s still no better than the source. The only thing you avoid is the miniscule drop in quality from each playback. If you want to avoid that, YOU PAY TO PURCHASE A BETTER MEDIUM. Because THAT is your right (just as it is my right to decide whether or not I will charge you for an upgrade). You also have the right not to repurchase it if you don’t want to “buy it again.” But that choice has a consequence: You cannot legally own the property on any other medium. Such is life. Choice, consequence. Deal with it.

          And thievery, anarchy — those are not innovations. I have absolutely no respect for people who believe they are. You don’t like the law? Change it! That’s what due process is for. And when you change it, make it fair to everyone (including the people who produce copyrighted material and those who consume it). That is what I support, not the people who only care about being able to do whatever they want regardless of how it affects others.

        • Asdf

          I’m going to reply to you two months later because what you said strikes me as a deeply naive view of what fundamental rights, crime and laws are.

          “I’m saying most of the “down with copyright” crowd want to hide behind their anonymity to do whatever they want without repercussion. Life doesn’t work that way. Every action has a consequence, legal or otherwise.”

          Yes, life doesn’t work that way. If you equal anonimity to privacy, which is a very fair comparison, I can’t do whatever I want inside the privacy of my house without expecting repercussion. I can’t assault members of my family inside my house just because I can do it privately. They have every right to charge me for assault. And I must submit to penalty after due process. HOWEVER, I do have a presumed and a legal right for privacy inside my own home for every matter, EVERY matter, and I CAN do unlawful activity inside my house and not expect to be caught. And the state does not have grant to surveil every house just because of this potential for crime coming from people’s privacy (remember the Big Brother). Moreover, I may do these things because I want to act criminaly, but I may also do these things because I do not agree with the laws that make these acts criminal. Internet, in the same manner as houses, works to let their users have some degree of privacy in the way of anonymity if so they wish. It is a presumed right, but it’s not clearly a legal one, and that’s where the problem begins. Criminal copyright monopolies are actively working in this uncertain area to bring more and more repressive laws and surveilance to the Internet, to turn it into a huge Big Brother where they can wiretap anyone and everyone for their own profit. Not only does this go against the presumed right for anonymity on the internet (which is what a lot of people are fighting for, not the right to “do whatever they want”), this would also turn the digital, Internet-connected society into a censored, unsafe and fear mongering one, completely disrespecting fundamental rights we ought to enjoy in the Internet as well, ALL TO THE PROFIT of these copyright monopolies that don’t want to brainstorm a bit and change their current profit model. The “down with copyright” crowd isn’t going against laws that could very rightfully benefit creation, inovation and a better society because we want to do whatever we want. No, we are going against those that wish to use these laws to impart their will on everyone else, and not even because they have a moral superiority to do so. They’d do this just to have more profit.

          “Members of society do not have the right to choose to do what they want when it violates the law. You can be opposed to copyright all you want, but saying copyright violation isn’t immoral doesn’t make it not immoral.”

          Members of society do have the right to choose to do what they want when it violates a law that is not moral or that does not contribute to the morals and betterment of society. Let me give you a very easy to understand example: There are some states in the USA that forbid sodomy. Ok, sodomy was probably considered and immoral behaviour when these laws came to be and that’s fine. However, nowadays it is not, and if my girlfriend wishes to be sodomized and I sodomize her, I am not going against any moral imperative of CURRENT society, nor am I commiting a violent crime, or a crime with victims. Yes, I am commiting a crime, that goes against a backwards and immoral law that should be reversed for the good everyone. Perhaps there could be a movement to make sodomy legal in every state in the US, and they would face opposition from those who still think sodomy is immoral and should be illegal. Same as with what we face when we are fighting for reasonable intellectual property laws. And in the same manner that a couple sued because of consentual sodomy, we also have the moral imperative and superiority to contest the actual laws, both the way they current are, and the way the corporations are shaping them to be. We are not saying current intellectual property laws are immoral just because we can. We are saying it because they ARE immoral, because we can show everyone who wants to listen WHY they are immoral and we can discuss alternatives that aren’t immoral and that we firmly believe will contribute to a much, open, free, creative, thinking, critic and overall much better society than what we have today and are heading to, if nothing is done to stop this.

          So you go fuck yourself when you say all of us want to do whatever we want and aren’t any better than the corporations we’re against. We have the moral superiority, we have need to fight for our fundamental rights and we’re not going to submit everyone else into a police state just because we want to “have profit”, if you’d like to equal filesharing to having profit. I hope you now understand the difference between fundamental rights, crime, laws and where morals ought to go in this debate.

          And go fuck yourself.

  • RIAAtarded

    It just boils down to us taking the power back. We vote these idiots into office and we are the consumers for the other ones products. Without us neither of them exists and it is about we remind them of this fact whether it is boycott on their products or voting for someone who is opposed to their stupidity. When they look at peer numbers in a swarm they shouldn’t be seeing thieves they should be seeing lost customers and votes. I for one refuse to support giving up my hard fought for freedoms and fair use of purchased products to line the pockets of big business while they prop up their failing business model.

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  • WmDan

    We fought the law and the law won! DK classic

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    Movies, Games and Sports – now with YouTube Clip of the Day!
    Get your own stuff published!
    No ads, no bs.

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  • Systems Analyst

    “If you do not know the words you can not ask the questions. If you can not ask the questions you will never find the true answers!”

    What people are ignorant of is that the original intent of copyright protection was to allow the actual creator of intellectual property to have an opportunity to recover his or her investment of time and money needed to create said property plus a REASONABLE profit within their lifetime. After that time such property was to enter “the public domain” allowing the advancement of knowledge and competition.
    Corporations never “die” and often stifle the advancement of a given art and competition in order to gain a monopoly that promotes excessive pricing and destroys competition, development and the advancement of any given art.

    Most people expect someone else to “save them (the public)” from those who exploit political systems. That “someone else” is often the same “someone” who created, contributed or profited the problem in the first place!

    Since politicians will never allow a REAL reformer to run for office it is up to the public to learn how to correct (lawfully) this problem.

    Aside from keeping the “turnover” of politicians high (never vote for an incumbent) another tool (curiously not taught in government regulated schools) is JURY NULLIFICATION!

    The original function of GRAND JURIES was to indite and prosecute agents of the KING for acts against people which they themselves had made “legal” for such “agents” to commit!

    JURY NULLIFICATION of the KINGS LAWS used against people who refused to follow such “laws” (color of law – appearance of legitimacy) was a check against the abuse of power by government and its agents.

    All this originated in the early 13th century and has almost been erased from history by these same “agents of government” today!

    A basic “maxim” (truth) in law is that any law which violates the rights of the public or individuals is invalid from the moment of its inception!

    Another truth is that if one is found to lie then everything said and done by that individual should be suspect and first treated as lie until proven otherwise!

    We all know “that politicians never lie! (sic)” and since most “laws” have been hidden inside of “concealment legislation” they (“laws”) too must be judged as invalid in substance, content and intent!

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