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Could Pirate Romney Win/Have Won the Election?

With the election around the corner, polls tied, and a slow news week in the US, it’s time to ask the question that’s on everyone’s mind: could Mitt Romney win with some strategic repositioning on copyright policy? Could the answer be to embrace pirate Romney? Let’s explore.

What do we know about Romney’s views on intellectual property? Really just two things.

We know that he joined the roster of anti-SOPA Republicans last year when that seemed like the thing to do (“I’m standing for freedom”). And we know that he worries about China stealing our IP. And that’s about it. But it’s more than it seems.

One of the striking things about the SOPA debate was that, when the bill failed, it failed along bipartisan lines. The usual overwhelming bipartisan support for stronger IP enforcement crumbled. For comparison, 2007′s Pro-IP Act – a major expansion of federal responsibility for IP enforcement – passed the House 411-10. In the Senate, approval was unanimous. Similarly, 1998′s Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which established the current take down procedures for infringing content, passed the House by a voice vote (used when not close). Again, in the Senate, approval was unanimous.

So something is going on when such a powerful alignment begins to break apart. We know part of the story is a shift in the balance of lobbying power, as Internet companies begin to throw their weight into policy debates. And part of it is the emergence of an Internet grassroots ready to mobilize against perceived threats. No such counterweight existed in 2007 or 1998, when concerns were raised about those bills.

It’s clear that both developments reflect, in part, a generational shift in attitudes and practices, built around the emergence of the Internet as a primary platform for cultural expression and community. There is clearly a generational politics of the Internet, of which the SOPA fight was arguably the first real test. But is there a partisan politics of intellectual property?

Broadly speaking, at the moment, in the US, the answer is no. Republicans, Democrats, and independents have very similar views on copyright and enforcement – almost always within the margin of error in our survey. With respect to our set of questions about attitudes toward sharing music files, only ‘share with friends’ produced a significant difference, with Democrats leading Republicans 65% to 52%, with Independents at 60%. This is basically the youth effect: young voters tilt Democratic, and 76% of 18-29 year olds view sharing with friends as “reasonable” (compared to around 50% of all other groups).* Romney trails Obama in this group by 19%.

(A couple things to note about our charts: these are self-described party affiliations among our 2303 respondents. 24% of this group described itself as Republican; 28% as Democrat; and 37% as Independent. Around 6% chose ‘No preference’ and 3% ‘Refused to answer.” These residual categories generally offered less support for enforcement than the big three.)

What about the two major policy issues of the past year? ISPs, the RIAA, and the MPAA are set to implement a six-strikes model for online copyright infringement, in which customers accused of sharing unauthorized materials via P2P services will receive, first, warnings from their ISPs, then degraded service, and then possibly disconnection and/or a civil suit. The last steps are vaguely defined at present but clearly implied in conversations about the measure.

Let’s step back and ask a more basic question: should people face punishment for “downloading an unauthorized copy of a song or movie?” Among all US adults, the question just barely gets majority support: 51% said yes. Another 7% said it depends on the circumstances–which would be a useful quibble if the law recognized such circumstances. Partisan differences on this question are modest:

  • Republicans: 57% said yes; 30% no
  • Democrats: 53% yes; 36% no
  • Independents: 51% yes; 35% no

This is not strong support for penalties, much less for the powerful criminalization of infringement over the past 15 years. Still, it can claim a majority. But for what?

We asked about the big five penalties at stake in most current and proposed law: warnings, fines, ‘bandwidth throttling,’ disconnection, and jail. Differences in attitudes among the party-identified are small. Warnings and fines are favored by around half of Americans. Limits on Internet speed or functionality attract under 30% support. Disconnection from the Internet is very unpopular at 16%–and falls to 9% if the question specifies household disconnection. Jail time attracts around 10% support.

What about proposals for stronger enforcement by intermediaries, of the kind at the center of the SOPA debate? Because we thought public opinion might be volatile on this issue, we asked a wide variety of questions to tease out differences in language (blocking, filtering, censoring) and differences in the points of application of enforcement (relatively narrow services like Facebook and Dropbox, wider services like Google and ISPs, and the government)

Broadly speaking, Republicans show very slightly more enthusiasm for enforcement than Democrats and very slightly more concern for privacy–with only ISP blocking of pirate sites generating any significant divergence. Again, this is an issue that tracks with age: younger adults are somewhat more tolerant of blocking via services that they can opt out of, and less tolerant of blocking that occurs via major points of access to the Internet in general.

But on the whole, partisan differences are minor. We’d argue that IP policy is still pre-partisan in the US, in the sense that the breakdown of unanimity has not yet been channeled into oppositional stances organized around the two parties. This absence of a partisan politics of the net is often seen as a plus – a virtuous neutrality for those in the netroots – but it also means that the major parties don’t take it seriously enough yet to dispute.

Tensions within the parties on these issues will certainly rise, but by how much? The pressure points for Democrats seem clear, with cultural affinities with (and financial dependence on) the major content industries on the one side, and the divergent attitudes of their young (and, we shall see, minority) base on the other.

For Republicans, there is a tempting politics of youth and modernity here, pushing uphill against a rhetoric of property, law and order, and a wider set of demands by big business that have traditionally commanded support. What would partisan uptake of these issues look like? It might look something like the polarization of opinion on abortion in the 1990s, as evangelicals came to power in the Republican party.

Or it might look like what we’re seeing now in Germany and other parts of Europe, with the emergence of small ‘Pirate’ parties as representatives of a nascent environmentalism of the Internet. Our German survey took place before the 9% showing of the Pirate Party in Berlin state elections in late 2011 and the subsequent battles over ACTA.

Yet the partisan lines around IP politics were already stronger in Europe than in the US, with more consistent defenses of freedom of expression and unimpeded access to the Internet on the left, finding common cause with traditional concerns with privacy on the right. Here is our German data on blocking and filtering by political identification.

Unlike in the US, strong “safe harbor” provisions for web Intermediaries like Google and ISPs have become part of the platforms of the German center-left parties – by all appearances moving ahead of public opinion on these issues. Strong Internet privacy positions have proved popular across the political spectrum, inconveniencing web companies that collect a lot of consumer data (like Google and Facebook) and also provoking conflict with the EU over data retention rules (an important component of strong enforcement).

In France, the left-right divide also incorporates IP enforcement issues, with most Socialists opposing the strong enforcement measures adopted by the conservatives – notably the creation of HADOPI, the Internet enforcement agency.

The UK, for its part, looks more like the US, with the Labour Party playing the lead role in pushing the major recent enforcement bill – the Digital Economy Act – through Parliament in 2009. The landscape is clearly in flux as voters and politicians adapt to a political environment in which Internet politics have begun to matter.

Could Pirate Romney win/have won? Not yet. But we can say with some certainty that the young aren’t getting any younger, and that their attitudes and practices are quite different from those of the policy making generation ahead of them. Among 18-29 year olds, only 37% support penalties for unauthorized downloading. 53% oppose. A better question is: could Pirate Tagg Romney win? Maybe we’ll find out.

About The Author

Joe Karaganis is the vice president at The American Assembly at Columbia University and former Program Director at the Social Science Research Council

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  • Eggman71

    All this crazy escalation (pirates=homeland security criminals) happened under Obama’s watch with his best man Biden pulling the strings.

    No matter what – just vote Romney.

    • Quik

      Even if the 1st paragraph is true, I’m actually not sure if the second part was trolling?

      • Roswell1701

        Yes, the second part was definitely Trolling.

    • The_Strawbear

      Vote Romney if this issue is all that matters to you perhaps, but do remember that when it comes to women, homosexuals and the poor, many Republicans would cheerfully drive over them all with a tank to get to a dollar bill.

      Why anyone can think that a Republican party wouldn’t do as they’re asked by the billion dollar media industry is beyond me.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        I’ve been saying for years…and I can’t understand why the US public seems so blind to it…among any major candidate it’s simply the choice of which sock puppet you vote for.

        Then again, Politics in Sweden have recently taken the same trend with the right going left (when it gained them), the centre going right (when it gained them), and the communists suddenly sounding like die-hard liberals, so i’m forced to concede that it may be a bitter and hard pill for the average joe in the street to swallow that whoever he’s likely to vote for will be an incompetent yes-man to whatever lobby poured more money into his war chest…

        I’m afraid it’s central european realpolitik from here on.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          That will keep on happening until we make it illegal for legislators to take money from ANY corporation that they voted on a law which affects said corporation.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Christopher Kidwell

          Not going to happen. Sorry, but it’s the same as with filesharing – you just CAN NOT prevent corruption other than remove the ability for corruption. That means radically shrinking government.

          Which means stripping government of power in major ways.

          In many ways it’s similar to how law can not affect filesharing, see? The internet has to go first.

        • Newworldstoner

          “I think the puppet on the left shares my beliefs, I think the puppet on the right is more to my liking… Hey wait a minute there’s one guy holding up both puppets! Shut up. Go back to bed.”
          - Bill Hicks

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Newworldstoner

          Precisely.

        • Sick

          @Christopher Kidwell

          No, it will keep on happening unless Americans start voting for 3rd parties.

      • http://twitter.com/Prungy Prungy

        As long as Republicans and Democrats can convince the country that the other party is more evil than they are, both evils will stay in power.
        The only wasted vote is voting for a candidate you don’t believe in. In other words, vote third party.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZE2QKDYSRBM3RRYZTCYSUZVPNU DumpFacebook

          Which is a waste of your vote. I’d rather vote for Romeny (the lesser of the two evils) than vote independent and end up with OWEbama for another four years. See how the Independent vote is a wasted vote?

        • BuddhaFacePalmed

          @DumpFacebook

          How is Romney the lesser of two evils? He’s more flip-floppity than pancake. He’s giving you Americans a bigger deficit than George Bush Jr. and more than two-thirds of his staff are from the last Bush administration. For all of Obama’s fault, he at least pulled you guys out of the one place Americans shouldn’t be in the first place, Iraq.

          And Romney wants to go back in…

        • Sick

          @DumpFacebook

          How is voting for a third party a “waste” of your vote? That is one of the biggest lies the DNC and RNC have successfully brainwashed Americans into believing, you should stop spewing their garbage.

          When Romney loses, will you not have wasted your vote just like all of us who will be voting third party?

        • Chronoss2008

          BuddhaFacePalmed he is the lesser of two evils cause he will focus more on that economy and home and maybe a war with iran ( buggering one nation) rather then the admited “ive started more trade battles then any other president” obama….being the bully on many nations versus a few is what we the world are seeing….
          IF you want the rest fo the world to have even slightly better view of your nation get your house in order first.

      • Chronoss2008

        BUT if you think about those groups being able to save a buck by downloading then they live actually better….see how it works….
        even if they are evil in otherways the lessor of two is romney

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Um….. no, Eggman. Most of the policies are Bush Jr. policies that Obama (to his discredit, I admit) didn’t remove.

      • anon

        You mean, like the 6-strikes policy?

        • 7th_Guest

          Six Strikes is a business agreement between US corps (Big Content with the largest ISPs); although most lobbied politicians would no doubt be all for it, the gov’t had nothing to do with the whole thing. Instead, Six Strikes is the result of (extra?)litigious strong-arming, i.e. “tell us what free lunch you’ll be serving us from now on or we drag one of you to a District Court of our choosing, get the ruling we need and use the precedent to railroad the rest of you for hundreds of millions.” Lovely, huh?

      • FuzzyDuck

        Obama ordered 6 times more drone attacks in 1 term than Bush in 2 terms. He loves Bush’s policies so much that he’s expanding them!

        • Guest

          What are you complaining about? If he is “expanding” them, why vote for Romney, who would expand them much more densely?

          If you say Obama does that, it should be enough for you. Every American president will always expand that policy in different degrees, because it is an American policy as the most militarily powerful country on Earth, and to be decided not by the president alone, but by all of the people involved in the Government, the military and the allied countries.

          Romney would perform many, many more acts of war than that. He already said he would.

        • Chronoss2008

          cause obama also has started more trade issues and fights then any other president
          thats fucking with us all…..
          so on that alone if you want to have others respect you quick fooking being a bully.

    • Anonymous

      Vote for a war-monger? NEVER! :P :P :P

    • Violated0

      I would have to agree with vote for Romney just to get rid of VP Joe Biden which should instantly cure these overkill problems. He crawled up the butt of the MPAA very early in his term in office and I would love to see Obama/Biden lose so he is crapped back out.

      Life won’t be much better under Romney though like both side have shown support for international trade agreements like ACTA and TPP(A). His saving grade is that Joe Biden is a moron when it comes to IP and copyright law so those who replace him are likely to be somewhat better.

      If you want a second reason to fire Obama then lets keep in mind the hundreds of billions of bank fraud and not a single person is facing a criminal case. Obama sure is blocking here but since many are upset they are now running some civil cases meaning a fine and a naughty boy/girl slap on the wrists. Hardly fair for the billions of assets that were falsely sold under clear lies.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZE2QKDYSRBM3RRYZTCYSUZVPNU DumpFacebook

        His failed energy initiatives are enough for me to fire him. Lest we forget about:

        Hawaii is in Asia
        Passing on the keystone pipeline.
        Touts a Green Energy Company as exemplary that fails a year later.
        Using the Gulf Oil Spill to promote Green Energy – instead of cleaning it up.
        Thinking the Tea Party is a passing fad – or that they are racists.
        Pulling out of Iraq with no clear victory over insurgent forces.
        Trying to re-write history through speeches – with inaccurate information (i.e. Statue of Liberty)
        Getting a Nobel Prize for being the most ineffective President in the history of the United States, though some say it was for his pigment.
        Putting all legislation on the Internet for five days before it comes to a vote.
        Returning the bust of Churchill to the Brits.
        Giving a collection of DVDs to the British PM.
        Denying the notion of American Exceptionalism.
        Promising to close Gitmo — failing to do so.
        Securing the Olympics for Chicago in 2016.
        Naming numerous Communists/Socialists/Progressives to his various Czar positions and then watching them scurry for cover when Beck begins to call them out, forcing them to resign.
        Government races for NJ, VA and the Senate Seat in Mass.
        The midterm elections, which Obama himself called a shellacking.
        Prediction that stimulus would ensure that unemployment doesn’t exceed 8%.
        Bowing to just about everybody.
        Proposing amnesty for illegal aliens to increase the population of voters for Democrat elections.
        He said, I have visited 57 states. Now there is just 1 left to visit.
        Obama to Medvedev…give me space I will have more flexibility after my election.

        • 7th_Guest

          An truly excellent synopsis of Fox News’ talking points over the past few months! Congrats on your (OC?) patience in absorbing so much of their… content that you can list it all on your own. Don’t forget to get up early to go cast your vote on the 7th now!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ender-Wiggin/100000885624281 Ender Wiggin

      sure, i believe romney will side with us against the entertainment industry, like i believe romney will champion medical marijuana rights. Fuck the lesser evil, vote third party!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZE2QKDYSRBM3RRYZTCYSUZVPNU DumpFacebook

        Third party = wasted vote. Learn this.

        • Sick

          You’re a disgrace.

        • Guest

          Coming from someone with a name like DumpFacebook, wow such ignorance, you’re obviously over 40 and probably still a virgin.

          GTFO you’re opinions are NOT wanted here by anyone. Just go.

      • Chris

        Voting 3rd party makes a nice statement but what 3rd party presidential candidate has won in the last hundred years? Given our election system, science has show taking the lesser of two evils approach is the smart thing to do:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_voting#Plurality_voting

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ender-Wiggin/100000885624281 Ender Wiggin

          5% of the vote gets them federal funding next time around. We haven’t always been a two party system, we don’t always have to be. Hell the republicans seem likkely to tear their own party down if they lose this time.

    • PiRat

      Typical retarded Americans, vote for the lesser of two evils, treating politics like a football game…

      • VxA

        Typical retarded foreigner thinking all Americans are alike…

        • PiRat

          Unfortunately that only applies to a minority as the graphs show above.

        • Chronoss2008

          typical retarded posters thinking intelligence means you posted….

    • Updates

      Romney: Why U No Have Eye Patch?

      At least we all saw that Obama and many other legislators around the world rejected SOPA/PIPA. They seem to be more reasonable about it and the Internet people despite the pressure and influence from these media monopolies.

      [b]Never forget that Lamar Smith, the head author of SOPA/PIPA comes from Texas like Bush, and is a Republican like Bush.[/b]

      If Romney, who is the Republican candidate, wins, the likelihood of him swiftly and forcefully re-passing SOPA/PIPA or equivalent bills is too high given that he is capable of looking down most (poor) people and cutting every social benefit to them, be it “excessive” or fair for them to receive it, and create more unwinnable wars and losses to families. [b]If you vote for him you will remember my words when you see that a change of command in this point in time would encourage also a dramatic change in IP laws, and this disaster spoils finally the Internet with Romney in office. SOPA/PIPA fit more than perfectly the Romney’s model of limiting “freeloading” benefits (read, “piracy”) for people who is otherwise “self-sufficient” to go and buy the products instead of “stealing” them through piracy.[/b]

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZE2QKDYSRBM3RRYZTCYSUZVPNU DumpFacebook

        Owebama is worse for lots of other reasons though – I won’t repost that as I posted it elsewhere in this thread. Please read it. I hate that it is a lesser of two evils scenario but it is what it is.

      • Chronoss2008

        thats why half a hollywood met with obama right before hte election….

        • 7th_Guest

          Dodd and various movie studio heads met with Biden in the White House. Once. 16 months ago. Learn to lie better.

      • Guest

        He rejected SOPA/PIPA but he signed ACTA!

        I don’t know about you, but that’s reason enough to boot him out.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Hawe/100000990861486 Chris Hawe

      Really!?! When the lobbyists come do you think Willard is going no? Just look at how he walks back like a coward when Rush Limbaugh roars. You really think he’ll veto that bill? If you are just thinking of going anti Obama to protest Obama over this, do you really think copyright would even be on the list of why Obama won/lost. Get real, they are all in the bag on this one, but politicians are cowards, hence why SOPA had that little meltdown.

    • lair mittens

      Romney’s getting money from Hollywood too…

      Don’t trust a lair with many masters.

  • Petersmiling

    Giant douche vs. turd sandwich.

    • Guest

      Yet noone bothers to vote third party like the Pirate Party USA !

      If they’re not recognised, there’s always Ron Paul.

      • Caleb

        I can’t stand libertarianism. Most of them seem to get it exactly backwards in my opinion. Libertarians like the ronpaul are all in favor of keeping the government out of the business of corporations, on the theory that against all evidence, in the absence of laws, they’ll do the right thing hoping it turns out to be long term more profitable, instead of e.g. horribly polluting in order to make more money in the short term.

        At the same time, the ronpaul and most people who support him are okay with making government just small enough to fit in one’s bedroom. They’re okay with denying gay marriage, keeping marijuana illegal, making abortion illegal, and the massive security state America is becoming is fine, so long as it’s corporate run rather then government mandated.

        I’d vote for a candidate who recognized the necessity to regulate corporations in order to protect the rights of individuals, who also believed that what individuals do, providing they aren’t hurting other people, should be able to do whatever they choose to.

        • FuzzyDuck

          You’re pretty misinformed.

          Libertarians support equal marriage and want to make marijuana legal.

          They want to keep corporations out of the business of government and out of the public purse.

        • Guest

          Please learn to stop geting your misinformation from faux news and get skills to think for yourself before you bash Ron Paul. Okay?

        • Sick

          Despite your gross misunderstanding of libertarianism and your confusion (lies?) over what a corporation can even do… I appreciate the sentiment of your last paragraph.

          If you really would vote for a candidate like the one you describe, you should be voting for Jill Stein (Green Party)– she’s exactly what you want.

  • megingeryoujane

    Obama will have his second term. It is a no brainer and has been from the start. Rimmer, oh, Romney sorry, is a brainless directionless policyless contender, least that is the way it looks from across the pond. they are both as bad as one another in other ways, but ten of each of them is ten times better than than the last Imperialist warmonger you had, who incidentally got in by stealth and cheat tactics. god, things in the world would have been so different if he had not grabbed the presidency. Regarding copywrong etc, both will do much the same for the industry that is financing both their campaigns. Both will bow to the film industry, but both will never stop digital copying in any form whatsoever, that is mission impossible.

    • Roswell1701

      Romney is a brilliant business man and a great American. Obama is an Anti Colonialist, Muslim, Communist, wanna-be dictator… However, I agree that neither will ever stop Piracy. Aaaaarrrrrrrr! :)

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Muslim? No, he’s Christian.
        Communist? No, he supports the proper BALANCE between socialism and capitalism, as I do.
        Wanna-be dictator? That was Bush Jr. and Romney, to be blunt.

        All of those things you mentioned, Roswell, are lies about President Obama.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Not entirely. Better than Bush? Yes, but who could be worse?

          Obama or Romney still means voting for the same sock puppet. They’re not even as cool as Waldorf and Statler but have just as much to contribute.

        • Roswell1701

          Yes, a Christian, in that he sat in a church for twenty years that preached Black Liberation Theology, the basic ideology of which is that the only way the White Man can redeem his soul is to give all he has to the Black Man… Oh, and that “the only true God is a Black God and, if there is a White God, he must be destroyed.” Research it…

          There is no “proper balance” between Capitalism and Socialism, unless, of course, you live in your mom’s basement and you don’t know where your next dollar is coming from…

          As for Bush, I was against the war, but he was no dictator. However, since most Liberals view any sign of authority as dictatorial, I can see how you would think so…

          So, drink your Cool-Aid and kiss your pygmy mole president goodbye.

        • BJonesTF

          “Research it…”
          They have, it’s not true.
          “As for Bush, I was against the war, but he was no dictator.”
          Then neither is Obama. Same policies, same advisers, same activities.

        • Roswell1701

          “They have [researched it], it’s not true.”

          They? Who the fuck are THEY, The Huffingon Post? The quote I gave comes DIRECTLY from one of their own church documents. THEY must have missed that one…

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Roswell1701

          If we had to choose between a christian and a mormon (both devout), then I’d vote for the third option.

          As for “capitalism” vs “socialism” I think i have a wakeup call for you – you (assuming you’re from the US, which your nick indicates) are today more socialistic than most europeans. Or rather, europeans are more honest about it.

          GWB started the bailouts, Obama continued, and Romney will take over if he ever gets the hold of the tax money to do so. The main reason being that no president, irrespective of party, will allow the 401(k)’s of the average american to go down the crapper if they have any way to prevent it.

          Now, bear in mind this. The founding fathers? They were liberals. They defined, by that charter you americans claim to hold so dear, liberalism.

          That is the greatest contribution the US of A has given the world. Much like the UN and the EU.

          It’s a shame that all said parties have abandoned those charters. At least the US and the UN had a good run, but as for the EU they skipped the charter before the ink was even dry.

          So when you disparage liberals, please bear in mind that you at that same time disparage the likes of Thomas Jeffersson.

        • Sick

          Kidwell, watch MSNBC much?

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Obama == Romney. Both be sock puppets.

        The only US president who was not would be Carter, whose lack of support from both houses caused him instead to be ineffectual.

        Then again, after leaving office he became far more presidential than anyone since Lincoln. He should have had that peace price.

        Then again…we could make a case for Obama to get it simply for not being “GWB”.

      • JerilynNighy

        Great American?!? Romney raided and killed American businesses (jobs) via dividend recapitalization, outsourced countless jobs, avoided paying taxes toward this country he exploits by hiding money in off-shore accounts. Quit lying for that scum.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZE2QKDYSRBM3RRYZTCYSUZVPNU DumpFacebook

          Please stop regurgitating the Owebama ads you are spewing from. Also please look up the definition of venture capitalism. Bain saved the companies it could (actually saving jobs) and dismantled the ones that couldn’t be saved – all when the banks were already through with them. So he actually saved more companies and jobs that were already going to be lost. Dolt.

        • Chronoss2008

          obama went round the world as a trade bully
          he even admitted it.

        • Roswell1701

          Investment Capital Firms do not “raid” companies. An ICF is either approached by a company that is failing, or approaches a failing company and offers to invest in it’s restructuring if it feels said company has a chance to rejuvenate itself and become lucrative again. If the company fails, the ICF has the right to recoup it’s investment. Just one of the many risks associated with business… As for outsourcing jobs, why don’t you Google the sound clip of Obama’s hand-picked GM CEO, who told the Chinese that he’s looking forward to moving a number of GM manufacturing plants to China, and that he’s “looking forward to working with and for the Chunese.”… As for “hiding” money in off-shore accounts, one of your idols, Debbie Wants-To-Be-A-Man Schultz, has money in some of the very same off-shore investments. But I don’t hear you bitching about that, or about Obama’s favorite pet, General Electric, who hasn’t paid one dime in taxes since he got into office… It’s bad enough that you Libs are the most dower and miserable people on the face of the Earth, frustrated by the disappointment of not being able to achieve the childish dream of a Utopian Society. But what really pisses me off no end is the JEALOUSY you have of those who are successful. You’ve been brainwashed into believing that those who have more than you got it by somehow steeling it from you. You have nothing, you are nothing, therefor, you begrudge others EVERYTHING! If you want to see SCUM, look in the fucking mirror…

        • Ophelia Millais

          @Roswell1701

          what really pisses me off no end is the JEALOUSY you [liberals] have of those who are successful. You’ve been brainwashed into believing that those who have more than you got it by somehow steeling it from you.

          Wow, of all the shallow myths to trot out…yes, go ahead and tell yourself that liberals are “just jealous” of “success”, and that they’ve been “brainwashed” into feeling this way. Who brainwashed us, exactly? Was it the “liberal media”? Bwahahaha! And yeah, jealousy…citation needed. How do you explain the fact that I, a liberal’s liberal, don’t give a crap how much money Bain or UMG or anyone else has, nor am I particularly unhappy being working-class, yet I call out these companies on their anti-consumer, anti-worker, anti-American, self-serving, shareholder-gladhanding BS? Is it just that I’m “jealous” and want to be on the other side of the equation? Shyeah right.

          And is everything you have, by definition, something you earned, and evidence of your success? Are you entitled to have everything you have, simply because you have it? For example, if you have pirated content on your hard drive, tell me, did you earn that? Some would say you stole it! Did Google earn their ad revenue? What about ad revenue from pirated content searches and YouTube views? Some insist that’s money being stolen. See, everyone thinks they’re entitled to one thing or another. Liberals, conservatives, pirates, copyright mafia… no one’s hands are clean, here.

      • BJonesTF

        A Brilliant business man? No.
        only 40% of Bain’s investments made a profit.
        Of those 40% the majority was made with one deal
        The company went bankrupt 2 months after Bain cashed out, because it had been saddled with a few hundred million in debt – the same amount bain made profit, in fact.

        You can’t do Leveraged buy-outs with national budgets.

      • Ophelia Millais

        Well I do hope shareholders will keep Romney’s business experience in mind when they’re asked to vote him onto their company’s board of directors. I also hope people realize that that’s not what they’re being asked to do on Tuesday. Business savvy, like state governorship, is not a particularly good predictor of readiness for the USA’s highest office. (click for more).

    • Glib

      I typically think that Canadians are much smarter, on average, than their neighbours the US. However, we presently have a prime minister whose party started being called “Reform”, then turned into “Progressive Conservative”, then to “Canadian Alliance” then to it’s present “Conservative” party (this is about 20 years of history, maybe a bit more). Note the interesting naming changes. ANYHOW, our present prime minister has NO PLATFORM; he didn’t have any answer for anything, he essentially stood for NOTHING except not being the current party in power …. he won, by a lot.

      It’s not important that you’re not an idiot, it’s not important that you want what’s best for the country, it’s just that you don’t seem like someone that is going to get you killed, and that the other guy looks more retarded than you.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZE2QKDYSRBM3RRYZTCYSUZVPNU DumpFacebook

        But their healthcare sucks and now we have a similar crappy plan with Owebamacare. Please don’t compromise my health care coverage when I’m the one who continues to be employed and paying for a bunch of people who don’t deserve my tax money. I want my Owebama bucks and free cell phone. No wonder he has so many followers. They’re the 47%.

        • Chronoss2008

          our health care is one of the best in the world
          yea awful that you could have that instead fo running around the world trying to blow it up or copyright ip kill it to death

      • Chronoss2008

        they are ranked ( USA) 32nd on world math ranking canada is up in top ten….
        nuff said
        they want americans to be retarded so they can keep scamming away….

    • megingeryoujane

      i really dont know what came over me yesterday, i usually write complete drivel. i not only wrote complete drivel, but people actually read it? and commented on it? wtf is going on? ill have to give up my day job as a columnist now

  • Volgarity

    it doesn’t matter, movies is one of the top 3 US exports, they will always will on top of piracy. Both candidates have investments and keep their money in different places, safe places, so both of them have money in the same places…. if one of them goes wrong, they have the other ones that are going well… they don’t care, they will shit on your piracy, however they want. Piracy has nothing to do with elections…

    • Chronoss2008

      really stargate sg1 was made in canada
      andromeda made in canada most sci fi and other actually entertaining tv and movies aren’t made int eh usa anymore cause your too expensive
      an actor gets 6000 dollars a day to act….now what job pays you that and then asks you to keep paying them afterwards….

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Quote from the above article stated, “We asked about the big five penalties at stake in most current and proposed law: warnings, fines, ‘bandwidth throttling,’ disconnection, and jail.”

    I can just see this HUGE brute of an unshaven Neanderthal with muscles bristling from his fecken nostrils, let alone his arms and legs looking down at me with one of the most terrifyingly menacing faces I’ve ever seen asking me, “What are you in for then?”

    “I got caught downloading a song by Boy George.”

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      and he’ll recoil, going “damn, that’s friggin’ HARD TIME! All I ever did was butcher me ol’ mum.”

      • Arse

        He’ll probably serve less time than the Boy George fan too.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          I don’t really know though. Filesharing ranks up there with “jaywalking” as far as hardcore offenses go.

          But downloading and listening to Boy George is almost as bad as being a Bieber fan. I could in theory make a case for breaking out the rack here…

  • Sfoxman – Look Over Yonder

    Some intellectuals, here in Brazil, propose internet access with digital signature only. Digital signature that will give full identification of the USER. For me it would mean the end of the internet in terms of freedom.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Agreed. That would mean the end of anonymity which allows people to speak out on numerous controversial subjects in the world.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Intellectuals my ass. Yes, indeed, make everyone’s internet connection cost the same as that of a fully fledged corporate intranet

      Yes, indeed, I can see the average citizen putting up with his internet bill tripling….

      And just so you know…I’m an intellectual too, granted by my M.Sc. But I do know computers and IT, which apparently the cream of the crop in Brazil do not.

      • Sfoxman – Look Over Yonder

        The culture in Brazil is in poor condition. We have broadband only in big cities yet. But the government is working to multiply. People still do not have the awareness of what it means to freedom, in general, the “strength” of the internet. And of course, for the dissemination of culture.

    • Glib

      Unless you only have 500 people in Brazil that have internet, the feasibility of tracking everyone is so enormous, I’d love to see the infrastructure they think they can make to accomplish this.

      If they did, and that’s a big if, TOR would completely ruin the system. Also, a VPN would as well.

      • Chronoss2008

        glib dont worry it wont happen cant …the costs are so high no one will use it and to get developing a structure it requires cheap and affordable like the early days of cable and dsl in canada…..
        when we actually led the world in speeds and tech.

    • Chronoss2008

      then i SPOOF that and …oh nvm go ahead im ok with it as are actual pirates ROFL….you will learn no type or form of drm can’t in the end be defeated.

  • ken147

    Does he have a parrot strapped on the roof of his car?

  • RANDY

    “slow news week in the US”

    Are you fucking kidding me?!?

  • Guest

    So the main division line between Republicans and Democrats these days is that Republicains are against anything the Democrats do and Democrats against anything the Republicains do. What a brave new world we are living in.

    • Glib

      Worked for the Conservative party here in Canada … too bad for them, the only party they can be opposite to now is insanely well aligned with what our country needs; demonising someone that is much smarter than you, and insanely likable, is an uphill battle. Lucky for the Dems and Reps in the US, both parties are primarily comprised of soulless retards. Unfortunate for the Reps is that Obama is much more likable to people that aren’t giant racists. Unfortunate for Dems is that Obama is black.

      • Chronoss2008

        no what worked for the CONservative party was lying cheating and telling people to goto the wrong polls so they could claim a majority, they already were found to have done fraud last election….

  • Anon

    Honestly, ive never seen such IP enforcement since Obama took office. From Domain seizure without due process till the imminent extradition of that UK kid that just run a linking website, the Obama administration gives the MPAA and RIAA (MAFIAA) an empty road without any cars to enforce their stupid ideology around the world and teach and force some countries how they MUST act.
    And keep in mind that if the SOPA blackout never took place, Obama would have surely signed it into law.
    VOTE ROMNEY !
    We all know they’re just the same bullshit, but we must BREAK the Obama administration, and everything he put in place !
    If the administration changes, they will have to rebuilt everything from scratch, and it takes times !
    Vote Romney !!

    • Shogunreaper

      I think you’re confusing the president with someone who actually has powers in the government.

      Besides the increase in IP enforcement is relative to the times we live in, 8-12 years ago internet was slower and there was definitively not as many filesharers as there is today. Not to mention there wasn’t as many ways to make money from it as there is now.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZE2QKDYSRBM3RRYZTCYSUZVPNU DumpFacebook

        Sounds like another “it’s Bush’s fault” line of thinking….

        ROMENY / RYAN 2012

        • Shogunreaper

          Didn’t say anything about bush you idiot.

        • Big Huge Danglin Thang

          But it is Bush’s fault, I’ve seen you leave like 10 comments now talking about “owebama” yet you said yourself you did not support the war. Bush took us in to Iraq, do you think the men and women who went to Iraq and risked their lives did it for free with weapons that were donated to them? On top of that Obama wanted to decrease the military budget by 1% but the republicans wouldn’t let him. That’s right, Obama wanted to decrease the budget, so what the hell are you talking about again?

    • teenygozer

      He was our governor when we lived in MA. He sucked in so many ways, frankly I can’t be bothered to type them all. Even my Republican husband, who actually voted for him, was appalled.

      • Chronoss2008

        no citations no links no proof just a voice that could be one giant lie….
        nice try….

  • Scary_Devil_Monastery

    Obama == Romney.

    Both are what is known as “Sock Puppets”. The one US president who was not was Carter who got played hard by both senate and congress because he had no support and became “presidential” only after leaving office.

    In my mind, he should have been the one to receive the peace prize…but then again, Obama did have athe case of “not being Bush”.

    • Freedom of Speech

      Romney is a sock puppet, but Obama winning re-election means he gets to do whatever he wants. It’s his second term and the Constitution says no President can serve more than two terms. Obama won’t need campaign cash ever again.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        True enough. However, I’d still vote for another option. And ensure i send to represent the state someone beholden to neither party.

  • Shogunreaper

    Even if he made downloading and uploading anything legal i still wouldn’t vote for that shady mofo.

    • Iseemtobelost

      This! Fuck Romney

    • Guest

      Romney? He would do the opposite for sure: make it illegal and require an unique ID with DNA check if possible to let you online and track your activities online, and eventually offline.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZE2QKDYSRBM3RRYZTCYSUZVPNU DumpFacebook

        Hogwash

    • Chronoss2008

      haha so if he did what we all wanted you’d not vote for him are you a 32nd ranked retard american or what you totally prove what we all think of dummies in america….

      • Shogunreaper

        You’re an idiot, there is more to life than pirating, much more important things that romney would fuck up while in office.

  • Jame Eral Joho

    Just how do you Fucking know what the bastard stands for… he stands for nothing and everything…

    We are soooooooooooo fucked as a county if he gets elected… after the first year or year and a half that Obama economy leads in to his term everything will start going fucking hell

    • Chronoss2008

      and even more fucked if obama gets elected gee i guess if your getting it how big a dick do you want up your ass becomes the question and Romney is the smallest prick of the two especially when it comes to internet….

  • Midas

    Romney is no good.

    • Chronoss2008

      obama is worse

  • Anonymous

    the biggest problem with laws/bills that include/involve site censorship, site blocking, connection restrictions, disconnections, in fact anything internet related is that those making the decisions are too old and out of touch with today’s technology and what are today’s accepted practices. it is on a par with expecting 16 year olds to make successful invasion plans during WWII instead of dying whilst fighting in it

  • warcaster

    You wouldn’t steal an election, would you?!

  • hates living in USA

    I would rather see a pirate president instead of the choices we have now….

  • Andrew Lee

    Sigh… It should be illegal for these assholes to even try to think of IP laws when they know nothing about how it works. If you’re going to make a law on something you should have a very fucking detailed knowledge of it. A college degree and a good number of years working in the field would be a start.

    Presidents were made in a time when shit was much more simple. Their power is far too much for the time we live in now. They’re required to make decisions on many things they know nothing about and they take the word of their advisors as 100% truth. You cannot simply take the word of someone as truth when you know nothing of the subject. I mean you’re just asking to be lied to/mislead if you do..

    Then we get people with questionable work histories with obvious paid agendas giving us advice. Why? Because we’re too fucking stupid to know any better since we know nothing of the subject. If you need a damn pamphlet and a room full of people telling you how something works while you’re getting ready to pass a law YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE MAKING THE DECISION. These laws have a wide reach and touch every single one of us so it’s not something that should be taken lightly.

    Now we’re seeing shit like six strikes that is not even a law as they bypass every single fucking thing this country was based on. You cannot go around saying people are guilty with no proof whatsoever. A IP is not a person and there are very few cases where it would be an almost 100% chance it was that one person. IE a connection with one user only. Most connections have multiple users and that’s a fact.

    Look at Russia with their new save the children law that does not give two fucking shits about the children. It’s a damn mask for them to do whatever the hell they like and the way shit’s going around here we’ll most likely be right behind them.

    Oh well I guess it does not matter since the average persons voice means less than nothing these days.

  • Christopher Richardson

    For all you people who think you are making a difference by “sitting out” the election by not voting or by voting for a third party, all you will be doing is ENSURING an Obama win.

    I can tell you this, the U.S. CANNOT withstand another four years of Obama.

    It is a travesty that he won once and that the name “Barack Husein Obama” is among names like “George Washington” and “Thomas Jefferson”. It is an absolute disgrace that this black rascist who does not honor the constitution or the rule of law would preside in the role of Commander In Chief. Our country has been denigrated by this movement of socialistic/communistic thug culture empty-headed “we are the world” imbeciles. The very idea that any one would vote for this person is a true reflection of how stupid Americans have become.

    Barack Husein Obama – What a joke. His name is Barry Soetero. He is also using a social security number that begins with 042 which signifies a resident of Connecticut. HE HAS NEVER LIVED IN CONNECTICUT.

    His “presidency” has also added close to five trillion dollars to the U.S. deficit. Under his “guidance”, American culture has become completely demoralized, disheartened, and devoid of hope.

    If you voted for Obama once, you can be forgiven for your oversight and misdirection. If you vote for him TWICE, you are a DAMN FOOL.

    You must know that there is a growing movement in the republican party towards internet privacy and neutrality. They are catching on to the ideals that filesharers uphold. I have heard Romney speak about these things. He respects the growth of IT business in the American economy and would not enact legislation like SOPA, ACTA, etc. that would hinder the IT growth sector.

    The following is a direct quote from Romney about SOPA/ACTA type legislation :

    “The law as written is far too intrusive, far too expansive, far too threatening to freedom of speech and movement of information across the Internet. It would have a potentially depressing impact on one of the fastest growing industries in America, which is the Internet and all those industries connected to it.”

    Is Romney perfect? No, and no human on earth is, but is he qualified to hold the office with DIGNITY, honor the constitution, uphold internet freedom, and REPEAL that damned healthcare law?

    Yes.

    Vote Romney. I sure as hell will.

    • BJonesTF

      Few problems with your claims
      Obama has basically carried on the Bush policies. Do you think they’d change under Romney? No.
      Second the whole “social security number” thing? Rubbish, absolute rubbish. While 042 Might well signify Connecticut, if was not reseved for citizens of that state. It just means assigned by the office there. If your application was dealt with by that office, you’d get that number, no matter where you lived.

      Finally, what makes you think he’d end ‘obamacare’. Aside from the fact he can’t (despite what he claims he doesn’t have the authority to, check your constitution) it’s basically a plan he endorsed and boasted of last year, and mirrors one he introduced in Mass. as governor. Further, as it mandates you buying PRIVATE healthcare, do you think the repubilcan party, that of big corporation handouts, would let people get away with not buying products from campaign donors if they could? The only thing they hate is the ‘pre-existing condition’ bit – expect that part to go.

      And Did you have a problem with Bush adding 8 Trillion to the debt? When by now, had he kept the Clinton budgets, we’d have no deficit.

      Sorry to burst your bubble but Obama has basically been the perfect republican president.

      • Lance M.

        Sorry to burst your bubble BJones, but why would Obama be issued a Connecticut social security number if he was living in Hawaii?

        Also, why does Obama’s sister have an Hawaii associated social security number and he doesn’t?

        As far as Bush as concerned, in case you haven’t noticed, Bush or Clinton aren’t running in this election so your references to other presidents don’t really apply.

        This election is ONLY about Romney or Obama FYI.

        Also, if you defend Obama by saying he was only carrying out Bush’s policies, well that doesn’t really speak well of the leadership of Obama does it?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZE2QKDYSRBM3RRYZTCYSUZVPNU DumpFacebook

          LIKE x 100,000,000,000,000,000,000

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Except of course that Romney is just as unacceptable as Obama.

      Now if I were an american I would simply say “Not In My Name” and vote for a third option.

      Eventually, that will pay off. For my conscience if nothing else. It did in the EU when the Pirate party in Sweden went to 7% from nothing. It could do the same in the US. All you have to send is one damn senator or congressman unaffiliated with either of the two big ones.

      But if you don’t have the stones to vote outside the box…sad to be you.

      • Joseph

        Key words in your statement –

        “If I were an American”.

        Considering that you are not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible to vote in American elections, your pontificating doesn’t really have a lot of meaning does it?

        Pop quiz –

        1. What is due process?

        2. What do the first three Articles of the Constitution establish?

        3. What are the Bill of Rights?

        4. Can you list the Bill of Rights?

        5. What did the constitution replace?

        6. When was the Constitution created?

        7. When was the Constitution ratified?

        8. Define NDAA and NDRP.

        At a loss? Big surprise. I’ll bet there is WHOLE lot about our country you don’t know, yet you feel qualified to tell Americans how they should vote. Unless you live here, are knowledgeable about our culture, and are a U.S. citizen, I don’t really care what you think, nor should any other American.

        • Glib

          I am not from the US, I am not even remotely political, and I could give two shits about the US, but I could answer all of those. As well, even if I was a complete idiot, I could Google the answers.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Actually, judging from what I’ve seen so far on the net, I know the answer to all of those questions better than around 9 out of 10 americans.

          That aside there’s no big surprise in an US election regarding how the two-party system works out. One party tends to win simply because they successfully claim to represent the voters just a tad better than the other party and also manage to finagle the voters into the belief that voting for a third option is a wasted vote.

          You think this isn’t old hat in europe?

          And yes, I’m qualified to speak common sense irrespective of my nationality, I believe. Especially when I can take one long look at the key issues and go “Hey, we’ve seen this before”.

          Now since we’re up with trivia, who was it that cut down his father’s cherry tree?

        • Guest

          >Considering that you are not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible to vote in American
          >elections, your pontificating doesn’t really have a lot of meaning does it?

          Yes, yes it does.

          You are hallucinating. Everyone knows that almost anybody, American, remotely knows that pop quiz, and is not mandatory to realize that Romney has a general extreme elitist, segregative view that Obama at least doesn’t (not in these 4 years).

        • Chronoss2008

          Scary_Devil_Monastery …thats cause americans can’t even add….they gave up being smart for ip laws that promote lazy
          the few smart ones get prison time.

  • Who

    ya know it don’t really matter witch COCK MASTER gets voted in because they are both a JOKE!

    if Romney gets in the world will just end faster for some folks than with Obama.

    • Guest

      With Romney, that includes pirates, even Assange, who you could choose to consider the most famous governments pirate of secrets.

  • Guest
  • Guest

    The Power of Nightmares – 3of3 – The Rise of the Politics of Fear – The Shadows in the Cave

  • Guest
  • Guest

    agenda 21 earth summit 1992

  • Up Yours Obama

    Obummer

    Obomber

    Owebama

    Fuck that rascist mook.

  • Guest

    Copyright and patents are actually not “property” rights at all, but rather a grant of monopoly privilege from the government. Democrats are the pro-monopoly party (they are the party that wants a health care monopoly and that opposes reform to the education monopoly). Republicans are the anti-monopoly party.

    With social conservatism and hawkish foreign policy turning into political losers, Republicans are already playing down social issues and moderating their foreign policy rhetoric. The GOP will move in a libertarian direction in the next few decades because their appeal has always been fundamentally about being pro-liberty instead of pro-government. The younger generation of Republicans supported Ron Paul’s candidacy by overwhelming numbers (Ron Paul did around 0% in many areas among Republicans over the age of 40, but usually won Republicans under 30 despite everybody knowing that he couldn’t win) and overwhelmingly reject most of the social issues and foreign policy stances of the older Republicans. By the way, the view of IP as a monopoly privilege rather than a form of property rights was rediscovered around a decade ago by libertarian intellectuals (when copyright was first created in 1600s England, its supporters admitted it was a monopoly and the purpose of copyright was to restrict the spread of “controversial” ideas, specifically ideas critical of absolute monarchy).

    In the United States, a Pirate Party is a dead end and those who attempt that route will find out just like the Libertarians eventually did. You should support whatever political party you agree with on other issues and push them to adopt the right position on IP. Neither party has taken a position on the issue and the best way to advance an issue politically is to advance it in both parties. Issues that are adopted by one party and opposed by the other usually don’t see much progress. If you have no foothold in the other party, your vote is taken for granted by your party and they focus on other things instead. The Republicans did very little on abortion for decades until the “RINO” careerist politicians were replaced by party activists just a few years ago. They only adopted the pro-life position to pull some otherwise liberal Catholic voters away from the Democrats. They also knew that actually delivering a ban on abortion would hurt the Republicans politically because the single-issue anti-abortion voters would go right back to voting Democrat (the few anti-abortion Democrats probably lost any chance of winning votes on that issue because most of them voted for Obamacare, which includes taxpayer funding of abortion and a mandate that the Catholic Church must give out free birth control; this issue has probably cost the Democrats the election this year because Catholics are voting Republican in record numbers according to polling). Another example of single-issue voters being taken for granted is the environmentalists. Environmentalism was a bipartisan issue as recently as 4 years ago (John McCain campaigned for President on a carbon tax), but now that all the Republicans have rejected the issue, Democrats won’t do anything for the environmental voters either because they need to appeal to swing voters that want lower energy prices. Because the Republicans held up Obamacare for a year when Obama wanted it done before the August break in 2009 and because Obama’s next bill was Dodd-Frank, he couldn’t push for the carbon tax before his party lost Congress (and now Obama’s whole presidency is likely to be repealed by Romney). But back to the point, we need a foothold in both parties. If one party favors the MPAA and RIAA and the other party is anti-copyright, all that will do is perpetuate the status quo.

    By the way, those people who say that “both parties are the same” are simply wrong. If you actually take the time to look at what both parties believe, you’ll agree with one party more often than the other. Republicans are fundamentally an anti-government party, while Democrats are fundamentally a pro-government party. That explains why Republicans generally value privacy more. The positions on social issues and foreign policy are really inconsistent at a fundamental level with both parties. Conservative Republicans were isolationist until Goldwater and socially liberal until Reagan (Goldwater supported abortion and gay rights). The Equal Rights Amendment was actually created by conservative Republican women who intended it to invalidate minimum wage laws that only applied to women (which were used to make women too expensive to employ), restrictions on working conditions that only applied to women (such as limits on how many hours they could work, another way to make hiring women less appealing to employers) and labor unions that discriminated against women. Democrats actually added something called the Hayden Rider to it every time to gut the Amendment and Republicans always withdrew it. The Republican view on equality between men and women in the mid-20th century was similar to the Republican view on racial equality today rather than the Democrat view (the Republican view is equality under the law, the Democrat view is equality of outcomes and these are both consistent with the economic ideologies of the respective parties). Democrats were the socially conservative party for most of the 20th century (FDR basically reversed the social liberalism of the Roaring 20s and paved the way for 1950s America) and Democrats were also hawks until they chose the wrong base in the early 1970s (the hippies instead of the traditional socially conservative hawkish blue collar Democrats that supported the Vietnam War), costing themselves countless elections over the next few decades. In recent years, the Republicans nearly destroyed their party by completely turning away from libertarianism in the Bush years, but Huckabee and Santorum were unsuccessful in the last election cycles and the party’s recent revival has been due to their return to their core principles (which means their economic principles, not their positions on social issues and foreign policy that largely conflict with those principles). Democrats have lost elections largely by driving voters away because they adopted extreme positions on social issues (specifically views that drive away Catholics that agree with Democrats on economic issues and there are many voters like this in the Big 10 region) and because the core economic principles of the Democrats are fundamentally unpopular. The Democrats were on the rise when they were focused on civil liberties issues and opposing Bush’s Iraq War. Americans overwhelmingly agree with the fundamental views of Republicans, although large numbers of Americans are indifferent and allow the media and education system (which are controlled by the left, with the exceptions of Fox News, talk radio and some Protestant schools). Democrats are competitive primarily because of their control of the institutions, although partially because of Republican mistakes (especially Republican foreign policy; their social conservatism isn’t a losing issue yet). The Republicans (particularly their right-wing, not the “RINO” wing) can potentially win pretty much everywhere outside of Delaware, Maryland, DC, New York and New England (the west coast could go Republican if the Republican Wing of the Republican Party seriously contested it and New Hampshire is the lone conservative state in New England). Democrats basically can’t win in most of the south and some interior west states.

    Regardless, both parties will remain relevant and parity between the 2 parties is very likely to remain the case even if one party or the other has to change their positions to get more votes. This is why its important to have a foothold in both.

    • Who

      “Copyright and patents are actually not “property” rights at all”
      well NO SHIT tell that the the industry.

      “You should support whatever political party you agree with on other issues and push them to adopt the right position on IP”
      that don’t work in politics as they ALL conspire to each other and make changes to suit there needs and not that of the people.

  • WbW

    These stats are really depressing. Maybe I’m just naive, but I didn’t think such a large percentage of the U.S. population would actually be IN FAVOR of internet censorship. If people really don’t care about freedom anymore, then they only have themselves to blame when they lose it. Sad.

    • Violated0

      As I like to be an optimist then keep in mind all the kids these days raised on media sharing with family and friends. Some of the brighter ones even go into sharing in big ways.

      Now it may take a generation or two but some of those kids now will go on to be elected to office in future years. They will well remember what is going on now and will understand that things need to change.

      The current average age of elected members of Congress is about 60 and over time that should scale up to even older people. So it could well be 40, 50, 60 years or more before kids now fill those seats. Still on a brighter note the politics is already shifting and we can make some small gains before then.

  • Dev

    There is a very interesting point in your poll that seems to have gone unnoticed. Support for Facebook and Dropbox monitoring user activity to stop piracy is around 58%-65%. When you tell people that this very same thing requires monitoring of THEIR activity it goes down to 21-28%.

    So I would suggest an experiment: take, say, 1000 users. And to 500 you ask:

    “Should services like Facebook or Dropbox try to screen _user_ activity and try to reject pirated files?”

    To the other 500 you ask:

    “Should services like Facebook or Dropbox try to screen _your_ activity and try to reject pirated files?”

    For me, it is clear that in a lot of people minds, when you ask the first question, some psycological mechanism are activated (“if you got nothing to hide, you shouldn’t worry”, “it’s ok that Facebook and Dropbox monitor the bad guys”, etc) but if you use the second question the process is totally different (“HELL NO!!! WHY SHOULD A PRIVATE COMPANY OR THE GOVERNMENT SNIFF MY COMMUNICATIONS, MY PRIVATE PICTURES, MY STUFF?”).

    Sometimes people do not realize that we are talking about spying on them, not an abstract group of bad users.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Yup. It’s sad but that’s usually how government traditionally whips up support for a piece of legislation which would be thoroughly unpalatable for anyone actually impacted, even among those who believe themselves to be law-abiding.

      As soon as someone realizes that the detachment isn’t there – that it’s about his own communication being monitored – support radically drops.

  • Vote.. you can change this.

    Well, after reading all these comments, I deduct the following:

    1. Obama/Biden (Democrat Party) are presently responsible for current policy.
    2. Current policy is supporting Chris Dodd (Democrat Party) Chairman and CEO of the Motion Picture Association of America.
    3. Do you really want four (4) more years of this?

    Please Vote.

  • Updates

    Romney: Why U No Have Eye Patch?

    At least we all saw that Obama and many other legislators around the world rejected SOPA/PIPA. They seem to be more reasonable about it and the Internet people despite the pressure and influence from these media monopolies.

    —Never forget that Lamar Smith, the head author of SOPA/PIPA comes from Texas like Bush, and is a Republican like Bush.—

    If Romney, who is the Republican candidate, wins, the likelihood of him swiftly and forcefully re-passing SOPA/PIPA or equivalent bills is too high given that he is capable of looking down most (poor) people and cutting every social benefit to them, be it “excessive” or fair for them to receive it, and create more unwinnable wars and losses to families.

    —If you vote for Romney you will remember my words when you see that a change of command in this point in time would encourage also a dramatic change in IP laws, and this disaster spoils finally the Internet with Romney in office. SOPA/PIPA fit more than perfectly the Romney’s model of limiting “freeloading” benefits (read, “piracy”) for people who is otherwise “self-sufficient” to go and buy the products instead of “stealing” them through piracy.—

  • Dia

    I’m devastated by these results. I thought what the politicians were doing was against the will of the people, but clearly it is not.

    • Guest

      Come on. For one thing, this article clearly is seeking to back the feeling that Republicans, Democats or independents, as presidents, are no different on the decisions they would take about piracy. That’s not true.

      Can you imagine that the same people who fought agains SOPA, PIPA and ACTA are now saying that it is reasonable for companies and the government to screen their internet activities.

      It is a big lie, a fake or biased survey with like-minded people (who exactly, by the way? Would they like us to screen and check who they actually are).

      BE CAREFUL! THE AUTHOR WROTE IT AS A WAY TO MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE THROUGH POPULAR OPINION, THE FIRST STEPS OF IMPLEMENTING A GLOBAL LOGIN AND SCREENING SYSTEM WITHOUT WHICH YOU WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO BE UNIDENTIFIED, ANONYMOUS OR NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO GO ONLINE!!!

  • Guest

    @A lot of political trolls:

    I see what you are doing there, trying to confuse people who has not decided who to give their vote, by putting Republicans, Democrats and independents in the exact same category.

  • Anonymous

    Hey everyone I have a idea how about we all vote either Democrats or Republicans and then we can ALL go at each others throats and complain about who is better at what. And while we are at it lets HATE each other because we are all different. *sarcasm*

  • Mark Salter

    Obama supporters try to label Romney as elitist, segregationist, and racist.

    The truth of the matter is this – 97% of American blacks voted for Obama and will do so again.

    That percentage doesn’t really reflect a diversity of opinion does it?

    Who are the REAL RACISTS here?

    Vote Romney and let’s bring this stupidity to an end.

    To hell with black racism.

    • IDontCareAboutYouRamble

      I have a better idea how about both sides shut the fuck up and stop going at each others throats.

  • Iamaguest

    Romney has plenty of rich friends, many of which are members of Hollywood’s elite – it doesn’t take much to figure out how that will affect the anti-piracy legislations

  • Bob

    All this article proves is that right-wing pirates and people in general are complete utter idiots and fools. Total fuck nuts with no view for anything as their heads are so far up their asses all they can eat is their own shit. Bitch as much as you want about this comment, it’s still the truth and the truth is just giving you massive butthurt.

    • Anonymous

      Why do I get the filling that you want to call every pirate a right-wing pirate?

  • Temoi

    as much I love dl’ing anime for free I rather lose that than allow romney to become president.

    • Temoi

      I’m all for internet freedom but those bastards in the government will eventually get their shitty sopa/ceta/etc through so I vote for crazy (obama) not fucked up (romney).

  • Ben

    George Bush (senior) is wealthy.

    Clinton is wealthy.

    George W. is wealthy.

    Obama is wealthy.

    Romney is wealthy.

    75% of members in Congress are millionaires. The remaining members could be considered “well off.”

    Are you starting to get the picture now?

    I don’t think any of these people care about any of us. It’s all about their own self-aggrandizement. All of their speeches and spin is just about playing the political game jockeying for more money and more power.

    When have these people done anything to really help the common people? Think hard on this. You might say well, this law and that law, this program and that program. NO. Think about the multiplicity of fingers in the pie, ie corporations who ultimately benefit from any programs. Look deeply at the connections.

    The Patriot Act – Designed to protect Americans, it ultimately has turned into an Orwellian nightmare leaving us all to live in fear and be conditioned to think WE are the potential terrorists. Think about all the corporations profiting from making TSA scanners, the defense contractors, etc.

    Obamacare – On the surface it looks to the unaided eye as if it is designed to actually help people, but when you look deeper, you realize it is more about monopolies for the pharmaceutical companies and others. There are corporations that will earn billions from Obamacare and they don’t mind walking all over your rights to get it.

    I personally live free and sovereign from these megalomaniacs. I don’t let them control my life and I surely don’t let the media shape my thoughts. I live my life anonymously, privately, and quietly and when their laws become too tyrannical to tolerate, I will simply leave the U.S. and work on citizenship in a country that would best represent my expectations of what freedom and sovereignty should be. I don’t consider myself an “American”. I just consider myself a human seeking peace, joy, love, compassion, contentment, and understanding. I am willing to change my nationality like changing my shirt. Easy breasy. No heartache. None whatsoever.

    There are forces at work behind ALL politicians that do not have our best interest at heart. The best we can do is just work together, help one another, love, and enjoy living life.

    Don’t let these people take a moments joy from you.

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  • Guest

    I like how everyone thinks Romney is going to legalize baby eating, or something crazy. People still defend Obama despite all his attempts to, successful or not, crap on us and having a scum sucking MAFIAA boss as his VP. Even if you don’t like Romney, he’s better than Obama round 2, and he’s likely not getting a second term.

  • ndmushroom

    Interesting article in the Guardian about the two candidates’ record and positions on net freedom http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/04/2012-election-web-freedom

  • Anti-Sopa

    Well Obama wins so now what is the internet in trouble?

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