Cyberlocker To Shut Down After PayPal Ban

Ernesto
February 26, 2012
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RapidGator, one of the file-hosting sites that grew exponentially following the Megaupload shutdown last month, has been banned by PayPal. As a result, the Russian-based site says it will close the service in a month. According to PayPal, the RapidGator account was closed due to the “high risks” associated with processing payments to file-sharing services.

rapidgator During the wake of the Megaupload raids in January, TorrentFreak kept a close eye on the cyberlocker world.

While many file-hosters panicked, former Megaupload users hopped from site to site trying to find a suitable alternative.

RapidGator was such an alternative, and in recent weeks the site saw its traffic increase from a few hundred to over a hundred thousand visitors a day. However, this newly gained popularity may only be short-lived as the cyberlocker has just lost its most popular payment option, PayPal.

“PayPal just informed us that our PayPal account is closed due to the high risks of processing file sharing payments,” RapidGator announced. According to the site’s operators this may very well be the end of the file-sharing industry.

PayPal has frozen the cyberlocker’s funds for 6 months and new users can no longer make payments through PayPal. The ban probably means that “affiliates” can’t be paid through PayPal either.

It’s not exactly clear what “high risk” PayPal refers to, but one of the most likely options concerns the many chargebacks people carried out at other cyberlocker services recently. Many users asked for their money back from PayPal when other cyberlockers such as Fileserve temporarily disabled public sharing.

RapidGator believes that PayPal’s policy will affect other file-hosters as well.

“Seems that all new file sharing hosts will experience same fate like us and all other big hosts,” they write, adding that the site will close if nothing changes in the coming month.

“We did our best to make it work, but unfortunately this circumstance doesn’t depend on us. We will run the host for a month, and if nothing will change, we will close it after,” the RapidGator team concludes.

While more cyberlockers may fall victim to the same fate in the future, for now many of the largest sites including 4Shared are still accepting PayPal payments.

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Guest

Let’s shutdown PayPal and use Bitcoin!
- DutchGuest
  
  Unlikely that will happen, as long as the inherent flaws of bitcoin like the coin pharming go unanswered.
  Bitcoin is/was a good idea that ws badly executed.
  - Camilo
    
    You guys are completely misinformed about BitCoin. Absolutely.
    
    So please, before you rule it out, there’s a Q&A site for all your questions: bitcoin.stackexchange.com (and BTW: BitCoin is not tied to any government, is completely secure, and there’s no such “free farming” of coins. Farming means you contribute GPU time (you need a very modern GPU or it won’t even break even – something orders of time better than a PS3 or XBOX360 have) and recieve coins for helping the network process other’s payments. BUT IT IS SECURE. This is advanced mathematics here folks, check that site for people knowledgeable about the cryptography behind it).
    - http://theupwind.blogspot.com HostFat
      
      They are free to NOT use Bitcoin as they are NOT free to complain if they close them down :)
      They make their choices, and they keep them all!
    - Anonymous
      
      Frankly, it’s not really ‘advanced maths’, just ‘average maths’. and the idea behind bitcoin was good, but isn’t being handled well. Especially as the focus keeps shifting to the miners, who are the modern speculators. I have 6-7 bitcoins (i mined before the johnny-come-latelys made that hard to do), but meh, I can’t be bothered using them.
      
      I doubt they’ll be more than a footnote in another year or twos time.
    - Mwhahaha
      
      Your gibberish explanation.has not sold me on it.
    - Theeota
      
      “is completely secure”
      
      Bahahahahaha……
    - Camilo
      
      Look, for whoever says Bitcoin is not secure: ***back it up.***
      
      People saying it’s not secure and not backing that up are just trolling.
      Also, look here:
      http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/2847/how-long-would-it-take-a-large-computer-to-crack-a-private-key
      
      If you still think it’s insecure (and don’t show any proof), you’re misinformed or trolling.
      
      Also, maybe Bitcoin is not the best implementation ever, but we should support it whenever appropriate because it’s better than a bank leeching on us.
      
      Plus, consider this transaction block:
      http://blockexplorer.com/block/0000000000000464742a8d6147c4ef3a0d41658f643d624555a1cfa9c80aa0f3
      
      It, alone, contains transactions worth some 2,420,580 BTC. Remember a Bitcoin is worth about 5 USD. People DO USE Bitcoin already!
    - Anonymous
      
      http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/03/bitcoins-worth-228000-stolen-from-customers-of-hacked-webhost.ars
      
      Still prone to traditional hacks; though it is good to see that they will cover the losses to those victim to this attack.
    - Yeah
      
      Seriously? The only person who would post that something so utterly ignorant as “completely secure” is a moron who literally does not understand cryptography, period.
      
      Bitcoin is a joke, as is your knowledge of technology, programming, and security. Go evangelize elsewhere, little sheep. “Advanced mathematics”…
  - U.s.A
    
    a cö-wörker’s möthër-iń-làw mākes $73 ėvėry höúr öń the làptōp. She has beeń firéd for 6 möńths but làst möñth hėŕ incömë was $18076 juṠt wōrḱińg ŏn thë làptöp för a ḟėw höurṠ. Here’Ṡ thé Ṡite tö reād mörë..MakeCash2.com
  - Roby
    
    What are you speaking about? Coin pharming? Please explain instead of making FUD
  - Anonymous
    
    “as long as the inherent flaws of bitcoin like the coin pharming go unanswered.”
    
    There are many reasons to why Bitcoin may/may-not work, but your reason just shows how little you understand about any/all currencies EVER.
  - Guest
    
    In 1996 People said this about the internet and e-mail. Now look where we are. If you want to talk about things that are badly executed, look at the central bank model. It is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for society as a whole to ever be debt free. Yet, every tom dick and harry still plays that game without a second thought.
- O’lay Pirate
  
  But Bitcoin sucks …. so many negatives to using that.
  
  I use webmoney, I feel much happier with them than PayPal … so I’ll rewrite your comment; Let’s shutdown PayPal and use Non-USA services which don’t kiss the international governments ass.
  - Camilo
    
    There are no negatives about Bitcoin. No taxes, no banks in between, p2p crypto-currency that can’t be broken down! It is so hard to break that it would take years on a supercomputer to break your wallet (by which time the complexity of the encryption would be higher, hence you’ll still be safe).
    - Zeitgeist
      
      And the money is based on a currency that can fluctuate with no financial backing besides those who sits on the larger pie of the bitcoin system
    - O’lay Pirate
      
      http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~eroberts/cs181/projects/2010-11/DigitalCurrencies/disadvantages/index.html
      
      Saves me time explaining…the “Wallets Can Be Lost” is the one which scares me away from Bitcoin the most.
      
      Using bitcoin also can make it easier for viruses to steal your money – since their isn’t a PayPal dispute option to get your money refunded.
      
      PayPal’s a good company, they just dislike illegal sites or sites which are seen as ‘rogue’. As I previously said, use services like Webmoney if you’re in hopes of a Payment gateway which doesn’t use Paypal.
    - O’lay Pirate
      
      In addition to my previous post with the standord link in …
      
      “No Physical Form” … this point is a big point … if PayPal bans Bitcoin to PayPal / PayPal to bitcoin etc … Bitcoin would die out. Mastercard etc could do this as well, since Bitcoin can be seen as a black market payment gateway.
      
      Also, it’s supposed to keep you anonymous … (like you said, “you’ll be safe”) yet Bitcoin to PayPal / PayPal to Bitcoin (is an example) aka a exchange of currency … leaves traces … so it only adds a little bit of protection … but can still be traced back to who transfered the bitcoin money into their bank. Which is basily the same as using a service in Russia. It’s untampered by USA government… but there will always be the threat that they could actually trace it back to you.
    - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
      
      Bit coin is not completely secure.
      
      But it IS a better alternative to Western Union. The strength of BC comes in what it replaces.
      
      However, it’s still not strong enough to replace a powerhouse like Paypal. My suggestion is Dwolla or something else entirely.
    - http://pumpkinpat.ch pumpkin
      
      Regarding the points about stealing coins, missing buyer protection, and losing wallets, a “new” feature in the upcoming version will mitigate that: supporting N-of-K signature transactions.
      
      Stealing coins: I can keep my coins in addresses that require multiple signatures from keys that I hold in different locations, to raise the bar significantly to stealing the coins.
      
      Losing coins: I can do as above, but require 2 or 3 signatures, or 3 of 5, or something like that, so that even if I lose control of a couple of my keys (fire, stolen laptop, etc.) I can still recover my coins and send them to a new address where I have all five keys again.
      
      These measures would likely be used for large quantities of money, so you might treat them as a bank account (or the underside of your mattress) or something.
      
      Most users would probably keep a smaller “spending wallet” where they didn’t have to go approve the transaction on several devices.
      
      Buyer protection: Again, using N-of-K signature transactions, the buyer and seller can (before the deal goes through) appoint a third-party neutral escrow and require the escrow’s key to be the third signature in a 2-of-3 scheme. The buyer sends the coins to the 2-of-3 address requiring 2 signatures out of his key, the escrow’s key, and the seller’s key. If everything goes smoothly and the buyer receives the item, the buyer and the seller sign the transaction and the seller gets the coins. If not, one of the two parties can sign along with the escrow agent and the coins can get sent wherever they belong. This doesn’t mitigate a chaotic seller who just wants to screw over the buyer, but it does make things a bit more fair.
      
      Anyway, I just wanted to point out some recent developments in the protocol. I’m not saying it’ll revolutionize the online payments industry, but I do think it’s interesting and isn’t (yet) a “failed experiment”, despite what people seem to love to claim.
    - Guest
      
      @Jay
      “Bit coin is not completely secure.”
      
      >Bitcoin itself is 100% safe, it’s when you add people who don’t know what they are doing it becomes unsafe.
      
      @O’lay Pirate
      “Saves me time explaining…the “Wallets Can Be Lost” is the one which scares me away from Bitcoin the most.”
      
      >Make a backup on your wallet file and the wallet cannot be lost unless you somehow destroy all your backups at the same time. Having paper cash in your house is just as safe (what if the house burns down oh no!) as having bitcoins the only exception being that you can actually copy your own money and put it in another place should a fire (HDD crash) happen.
      
      “”No Physical Form” … this point is a big point … if PayPal bans Bitcoin to PayPal / PayPal to bitcoin etc … Bitcoin would die out. Mastercard etc could do this as well, since Bitcoin can be seen as a black market payment gateway.”
      
      >PaypalBitcoin is pretty much already “banned”, if you try to sell someone a bitcoin for $paypal they can just make a chargeback after they have gotten their bitcoin resulting in you losing your bitcoin and not gaining anything. Pulling a number up my ass right now but i would guess less than 5% of bitcoin buying/selling is through paypal. ~$17mil USD is exchanged every month not including paypal (http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/)
      
      Paying someone with bitcoin is awesomely easy too, no f*cking around with creditcards & giving out loads of info, just a one-line copypaste and you’re done in less than 1 minute. Depending on if the receiver want the transaction to be “confirmed” it might take a hour or two before they accept your payment though, which kind of sucks :(
    - Joel Kaartinen
      
      About the “Wallets can be lost” “problem”. While it is true that it is possible to lose a wallet, that does not mean there is nothing to be done to protect against that. Keeping a backup of the wallet is the simplest way to do that.
      
      The wallet is a file that contains the access keys to the bitcoins you have the control of. There are also ways to store bitcoins without actually storing the wallet on a computer a all. Brainwallet is one example http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/03/12/brainwallet-the-ultimate-in-mobile-money/
    - DIE
      
      STOP POSTING FOREVER YOU TOOL. YOU ARE RETARDED.
  - Momo
    
    So many negatives? Go on, please tell us: why is bitcoin a worse money transfer option than fucking nazi Paypal?
    
    (Let me guess, you speculated once and lost money, didn’t you?)
    - JFK
      
      Hey shut the fuck up moron. I have been doing business with paypal for 5 years now and they never screwed me. As long as you’re doing honest legal business, paypal won’t even raise an eyebrow.
    - O’lay Pirate
      
      Read my response to Camilo .. and I totally agree with JFK’s post to you ^__^
    - No
      
      @JFK
      If you are good, obeying citizen, you have nothing to worry about. By the way, pick up that can, citizen.
    - Momo
      
      Go fuck yourself, dickwad. Paypal should not be the one to judge if a business is legal or illegal. If there’s a site whose legality is in question it should be taken to court, not have its funds cut off extrajudicially to destroy its entire business.
    - Mwhahaha
      
      *Hands Momo the new daily award for first use of the word Nazi in the TF forum.
      
      Yes Paypal burn Jews, Gypsies & homosexuals and have plans to conquer Poland.
    - Guest
      
      PayPal screws organizations that treat the Establishment. Think about WikiLeaks.
    - Guest
      
      People fear what they don’t understand. Everything’s fine until it happens to them.
  - http://twitter.com/BTCinstant BTCinstant
    
    oh please there are no negatives with Bitcoin. I use it daily. Pay-pal could be wiped out instantly if we transition to bitcoins.
    - 0omg
      
      are you a bitcoins rep. ? who’s paying you to support bitcoins?
  - http://twitter.com/BTCinstant BTCinstant
    
    are you a paypal rep. ? who’s paying you to support PayPal?
  - http://www.patheticcockroach.com/ Patheticcockroach
    
    The main problem with Bitcoin is that not enough merchants accept it at the moment. So if file hosters start using it because of their Paypal issues, well maybe it will be difficult in the beginning, but it might make BTC finally become successful. It’s not sure, but it’s worth trying I think.
  - Guest
    
    Until the US government starts focusing their sanctions on overseas financial players. Don’t deny it can happen, because if the US sets their sights on it, who’s going to stop them?
- Anonymous
  
  I love bitcoin as much as the next guy but it still doesn’t scale
  - Camilo
    
    How does it not scale??? It’s decentralized! There’s nothing to “go down”, there’s no tax, there’s no bank in between, there’s nothing to fail besides the users not using it. Remember, the more people using it, the more it DOES scale, and by the way, the computing costs associated are nothing if compared to the money banks use to run, at all.
    - Guest
      
      I want to see the money in my bank account. Can bitcoin do that for me? If not, then they can go screw themselves.
    - No
      
      To Guest: in both cases your money is represented by few digits on a computer screen, how is that different? Who screwed up with your thinking?
    - Guest
      
      Ok since you want to play dumb, I will put it in a more straightforward fashion. I want to see some hard cash. My bank can give me hard cash anytime I want. Can bitcoin do that? My bank can issue debit cards with which I can buy things from the supermarket and local stores. My bank can issue credit cards too. Can bitcoin do any of that shit? How many online sites even accept bitcoin? Yeah fuck bitcoin.
    - Guest
      
      simple thing …. IT IS NOT HARD MONEY and it will not help you pay your grocery or anything like that …. so yeah useless ….
    - Anonymous
      
      @Guest: If I were to convince lots of people Monopoly money is worth something, then I could actually pay my groceries with it if the store owner thinks that. The same applies here.
    - Guest
      
      @ everyone talking about its ability for POS transactions. It’s coming, just you wait. How long was money around before you could use a debit card? From 1 year today there will be bitcoin ATMs that debit your BTC account and dispense fiat currency, as well as POS availability with the development of Instant QR code generation.
      
      Both of these technologies exist and have been demonstrated, they’ve yet to be implemented.
    - Guest
      
      @Guest, So do you think your credit card is “real money”? There’s nothing tangible about the money, the card just links to the creditors pile of “digital” money.
- Lee
  
  This is another example of why I don’t use PayPal. They have a totally one sided agreement, and YOU are on the wrong side. They can even take money out of your account, and drop you negative. (You agreed when you signed up) Any business that is dependent on PayPal is dependent on Unicorns and ponies.
  - Rohe
    
    Since the fake “fight against terror”, everybody who has remotely something to do with money has to appoint some “Hometurf Security Idiot”, so they can directly call you and give you orders – even without any warrant. And since these companies make so much money, they comply, because its always only a handful of projects/companies they kick off. They are left in peace by the regime, and can keep making money.
    
    Its like they learned the bad behaviour from Chinese companies. Instead of fighting for your rights, they simply watch the money grow and don’t care much.
- TelezarZ
  
  The problem with Bitcoins, is it’s too complicated for newbies.
  I doubt that a mother with 3 kids from Spain will know how to use it, and even read english documentation on Bitcoins if needed…
  - No
    
    First internet browsers were only in english and not quite intuitive to use. Internet was doomed to fail?
  - Roby
    
    Why not? Her brain is somehow different from our? There is a lot of documentation in spanish and whatelse
    Also usually ppl who use things like file hosting services already know how a computer work
  - Guest
    
    This is the only legitimate argument thus far. Hopefully that will change overtime. Things like paypal were quite foreign to most of society only years ago, but we’ve managed to wrangle it. Hopefully in time we’ll see similar acceptance with BTC. Then again, we may not.
- http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
  
  It’s not really ready to go yet…maybe in a few years.
  - http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon
    
    Agreed, but lets be honest….who better than us to push it’s maturity?
    - Resin
      
      Someone who has money to risk and time to burn.
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      Resin said it best. Apart from the general principle of filesharing, who has less free money than pirates? if we had expendable income falling out of our asses we probably wouldn’t be filesharing as hard, and as such wouldn’t really need to use BitCoin.
      
      Selling BitCoin to pirates is like marketing a book to hitchhikers.
- It’s a fit-up
  
  Bitcoin.
  A couple of con-artists decide to print their own money and you lot play along because it’s not controlled by governments.
  
  Fuck me you people are idiots.
  - http://www.facebook.com/Insperatus James P. Harding
    
    H2O.
    
    A couple of con-elements decide to get together and you play along because your body is mostly made up of it.
    
    Fuck me you are idiotic.
  - Guest
    
    Yes, they’re con-artists. That’s why anyone can view any and every BTC transaction at any time, the code is open-source, the original creator has stepped out of the scene and given the idea to the community. It also models after gold quite well. Frickin scum bag earth creating gold with it’s atoms and shit whenever it wants. Fuck me we’re all idiots.
    
    News Flash: 21,000,000BTC Maximum. There will never be more than this, ever, plus the community “prints” it, not some faceless entity. Let’s not even get into the part that when the BTC is minted, it’s there in all it’s glory, not “lended out at interest”. I think you need to learn about the monetary system a little more before making a fool of yourself.
- Djb
  
  fuck paypal, go old skool registered post, that way they cant see what your at!!
- OMGWTFBBQ
  
  Well he does have a point. Although maybe not the ideal solution. Paypal has too much of a monopoly on internet payments and it seems to be able to make or break a good business with a change of policy.
  
  Eventually though i would like to see a cost analysis of what this raid on MegaUpload has cost the IT world in damages. I mean think about it, there isn’t even a verdict yet. The damages might well be bigger then those the entertainment industry claim to have. The money paid back, the businesses that went bankrupt, the loss of jobs, ad revenue, ect.
  
  And that would still be lost even if found not guilty… That’s a big blow to a starting industry like cloud storage. For all we know the only thing wrong at MegaUpload was not paying enough taxes or something.
- Shithappens
  
  paypal is the reason why megaupload got nabbed in the first place.
One_four_nine

Fuck you paypal
- Anonymous
  
  We really need to build some kind of tech that is a hybrid between torrent and cyberlockers. We need to do this in such a way that people always remain anonymous. I mean, this really sucks guys…but in a way its good too…
  
  This means that the people who used to actually make money off of these payment schemes will suffer. I am all for piracy, as long as you are a pirate and dnt make money off of this stuff…lets face it, many cyberlockers made top piraters rich… :(
  
  Piracy should be about giving people stuff for free, not making money off of it.
  - Rohe
    
    “Piracy should be about giving people stuff for free, not making money off of it.”
    
    Amen.
  - Camilo
    
    We don’t need a hybrid – P2P is pretty good already, and it maxes out most people’s connections anyway.
    - Anonymous
      
      Yeah, hopefully if we can increase world-wide bandwidth, then P2P will replace cyberlockers completely.
    - Camilo
      
      @thedude321 You just don’t have the patience. If it’s popular, I enjoy my maximum of 4mbps (which is the maximum in the countryside where I live, and it’s plenty for me), if it’s rare, I’m willing to wait those bytes come while I do something else!
  - Mwhahaha
    
    I agree dude, when each of these for profit places departs I let out a small cheer.
    
    I’d sooner the money went to the people who had whatever’s being pirated.
    
    Which makes you wonder why, say newscorpse can’t make money out of giving their old stuff away in a similar way to all these cyber lockers.
http://twitter.com/p2jack Jack

Alertpay, paysafecard, webmoney, alipay – fun.
- Guest
  
  Ukash.
Anonymous

i haven’t been able to use paypal in years, got my account limited when running a game server and accepting donations.

Although sometimes it can be annoying i get by using alertpay, used google checkout for awhile but they have so many restrictions its ridiculous.
- O’lay Pirate
  
  You should consider Plimus, barely any restrictions and they don’t care about piracy or game servers etc. As long as the government doesn’t get on their ass about it…
Trustnoone

Great to see that copyright companies have made many perfectly legal an great sites shut down or lose accessibility thus halting and destroying the internet from evolving and getting better. Damn I hate them!!
- http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon
  
  Alarmist hyperbole much?
Anonymous

Then find another fucking payment option you whiny bitches.
- Anonymous
  
  What most people here do not realise is that a business CANNOT choose their own payment methods when customers wont use them. They will instead use another company that does.
  
  Line up all online payment services and 95% will still use PayPal. No PayPal = 90%+ income loss = death.
  
  Businesses HATE this fact when PayPal are evil CUNTS but they do LOVE customers who dont use PayPal.
  - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
    
    Only the stupid do that. I personally refuse to use any site that only has Paypal AND I advise all my friends and family to avoid them like the plague.
Anonymous

time for non-US payment providers to emerge

clearly there is a market there
TelezarZ

Time to use Skrill ( http://www.moneybookers.com ) . They are from UK (a USA cocksucker), but it seems a good alternative and a lot of users are using it.
Anonymous

Well PayPal may be unhelpful bastards, and shutting you down due to market flux is very unreasonable, but this is not the end of the road.

One can simply open up a new PayPal account and same user/business name usually works out. At worst just have some other person sign up using a front company name when they would never know.

Yes PayPal is an anti-business company where they are far too keen to fuck over a long standing business in the name of protecting users. How many companies can survive their main funds locked up for 6 months?

They are totally unreasonable and they allow clear fraud acts against you. The only solution is to learn their abuse and how to work around it.
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  Wrong. Paypal is more than willing to steal people’s income in this way AND need to be shut down or have the government rap them on the hands to prevent this crap.
  
  When I first saw the horror stories on the “Paypal sucks!” website, I realized I would never want to use them for my business.
atmoner

how to bypass paypal easily for download website =)

http://atmoner.com/bypass-paypal-download-site/
Anonymous

RapidGator probably kept all their money in their PayPal account and PayPal saw an opportunity to close the account and keep it all for themselves.

PayPal (and parent company eBay) are scum like that.
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  Agreed. NO business that is smart will use Paypal for ANYTHING anymore. One customer asked my uncle why he doesn’t use them? He referred them to all the SUBSTANTIATED horror stories online.
Jandy

Its been said since the start of this cyberlocker takedown – Only use those with servers AND financial arrangements outside of the USA. At most you will be very far down the list of targets for the US authorities.
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http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

I can’t understand the mentality here, it never makes sense to me.

Anyone engaging in a legally questionable area should protect themselves in advance. Paypal is necessary to conducting online business, but operating a webstore is perfectly legal. T-shirts, coffee cups, stickers, whatever. They’re all cheap to produce and perfectly legal to sell regardless of the rest of your website.

I don’t know why these guys don’t prepare in advance for these possibilities. There may be flaws with this idea but it’s more sound than the existing structure.
- Randy
  
  Rapidshare has a webstore.
  - Mwhahaha
    
    When the postman delivers something ordered from rapidshare does he hold it from you, just out of reach and slowly count down 15 seconds until you can have it?
    - PelouzeTF
      
      good one lol
Anon

Why would PayPal tarnish their good reputation by processing payments for unlawful online activity?

Oh right.
Unlawful activity is an expression of freedom of speech. If you live in your parents basement.
- Danny
  
  What are you on about moron?
  
  Cyberlockers are not unlawful they provide a service, the users may abuse that service but they are still a service provider.
  - Tom
    
    They are if they are aware that their servers are being used, directly, to distribute copyrighted material and they make little or no effort to remove the infringing material.
  - PelouzeTF
    
    “Cyberlockers are not unlawful they provide a service, the users may abuse that service but they are still a service provider.”
    
    Rapidshare is about the only one that comes anywhere close to being legit. And they profited from piracy to get their fat bank roll.
    
    Id love to live in your flowery world of candi floss clouds and lollipop tree’s.
    - AnonsMomShouldveHadAnAbortion
      
      Ahem. For the uninformed in the room… cyberlockers are legal. They provide a legitimate service.
      
      Examples: Dropbox, Amazon cloud storage, Google Music (and soon to be Google Drive, as soon as it’s officially announced), Rapidshare, etc. The list goes on.
      
      They are all legitimate and legal services. The fact that some may use them for illegal purposes is irrelevant. The services themselves are very much legal and legit.
      
      Nor do all profit from “piracy to get their fat bank roll”.
      
      I’d love to live in your moronic world, but I don’t think my brain could handle such stupidity without being forced to resort to shutting my body down to kill me to spare myself (and itself) any further stupidity from your world.
      
      I think your mom should’ve done what Anon’s mom regrets not having done. I’ll give you a hint, it rhymes with “aschmorted”.
      
      Get your head out of your house and stop shilling this site. Or if you’re going to keep doing so, at least base your comments on ACTUAL facts, rather than your own personal misinformed opinions. Which is very much what your comments consist of, nothing but your opinion, based entirely on everything BUT actual facts.
    - AnonsMomShouldveHadAnAbortion
      
      Edit:
      
      I meant “ass” not “house”. Stupid commercial for “House” came on as I was typing that and I thought to myself how lame (IN MY OPINION) I think that show is. At which point I accidentally typed the wrong word.
      
      Notice how I didn’t say “House is a stupid show. End statement of fact.” It’s because that’s my subjective opinion on the matter. Take a page from my book, stop misrepresenting your opinions as fact.
      
      Unless you’ve got actual evidence that shows and proves beyond all shadow of a doubt that Rapidshare got their “fat bank roll” from “piracy”, STFU, moron.
    - PelouzeTF
      
      @AnonsMomShouldveHadAnAbortion
      
      wow, you really don’t know the history of these companies at all do you – have you just connected to the interwebs lol.
    - AnonsMomShouldveHadAnAbortion
      
      Awww how cute he said “interwebs”. That makes you the coolest guy in the room doesn’t it? It’s my understand the coolest (aka douchiest) guys in the room always use such terms, in an attempt to broadcast to others how awesome (aka douchey) they are.
      
      Unless, you have factual and verifiable evidence in regards to these companies and how they got their start, where their start up money came from, where their first profits came from, etc. then you are indeed, once again, full of shit and just speaking your opinion. As opposed to stating any actual facts.
      
      Also, as I said below somewhere, MOST companies (as well as individuals) have had some less than stellar track records as well as dealings. That goes for every single company and individual. So to try and single out cyberlockers, is kind of a hypocrisy.
      
      You know, much like I could easily point out (with evidence) recent news regard record industries withholding royalty payments to artists. Payments which were only discovered after audits. Audits that were begun years ago, but which have taken nearly 5 years to complete due to stalling on the part of the label. An audit that finally was completed when an artist was forced to actually sue the label.
      
      Or how about receipts which have surfaced online that show some of the most profitable movies in history have been “non-profitable”. Or better said, the movies that have made more money than any other movies in our time are apparently “huge losses”. Would you like a link to some of these receipts? I can provide one. I can also provide links to lawsuits brought up in regards to this “Hollywood accounting”. As well as links to settlements made in order to prevent any disclosure in regards to “the books” for some movies. Done as a matter of preventing more media coverage over these rather shady (and possibly illegal, GASP) accounting practices.
      
      Is that the game you want to play, shill? Not everyone is as misinformed or willing to tow the company line as you are. In fact, some of us are rather quite informed and gather information from multiple sources in order to put misinformed people in their place or inform those who aren’t aware of such things. You’re not dealing with a troll (such as yourself) here. You’re dealing with someone who can do their own research, cite multiple sources and provide more than standard replies to given queries or debates. I doubt you can do the same.
      
      So by all means, cite some sources, present some facts, show me some goddamn evidence or shut the fuck up you stupid troll.
- AnonsMomeShouldveHadAnAbortion
  
  Ah Anon, the stupidest most unintelligent troll of them all.
  
  You are aware that cyberlockers are legal, right? Oh, you weren’t? No surprise there. You’re cluelessness in regards to pretty much everything is very much evident for all to see in each and every single post you make.
  
  Let’s see, without going into too much detail, Rapidshare (a cyberlocker) has been ruled legal (in court) in the U.S. and the U.K. In Spain, cyberlockers are perfectly legal.
  
  I’m just going to stop there. Oh, let’s see Dropbox is essentially a cyberlocker. Also legal. Google Music (a place for you to upload your own music), most definitely legal.
  
  Want me to go on?
  
  ANON, YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON. SO STFU. OR AT LEAST THINK BEFORE YOU TOUCH A KEYBOARD. Because people like me will be here to prove you wrong each and every time and only make you look like more of a dumbass (which, since we are talking about you here, is pretty tough to do, but it’s doable nonetheless).
  - O’lay Pirate
    
    To be fair, he was talking about RapidGater … which was trying to profit from piracy … ofcause, Cyberlockers are legal. But sites like RapidGater are built for pirates to earn money via affiliate system. If you want to prove to me otherwise please give some evidence.
    
    Rapidshare is a cyberlocker which takes care of it’s legit users and helps decrease piracy on it’s servers by removing affiliate systems, limiting free users etc. Although some may argue against this … at the end of the day they are providing a great LEGAL service which I use for my LEGAL files.
    - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
      
      Who says that the people who pay are legitimate?
      
      Secondly, 99% of the ‘pirated’ content, I keep on fucking freaking harping on this…. WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN PAID FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE OR HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR IN SOME MANNER!
      
      You cannot get blood from a stone and you cannot get money from people who BARELY have enough money to survive today.
    - AnonsMomeShouldveHadAnAbortion
      
      No, he was NOT talking about Rapidgater. This is Anon we’re talking about. Go through his comment history. You’ll see that he feels this way about torrent technology and cyberlockers in general. To quote Robert Muldoon (from Jurassic Park, when he’s speaking about the raptors), “They should all be destroyed.” That’s Anon’s POV in regards to everything online that has the potential for misuse. Let’s ignore that it’s only misused by a minority, the fact that it’s being misused at all, in his eyes, mean it should be completely done away with or heavily regulated to the point of being unusable.
      
      Also, affiliate systems, while an incentive, are not geared specifically towards pirates. If you want to prove to me otherwise, please give me some evidence. And I mean evidence showing they are specifically geared towards pirates, in the form of memos specifically saying “We will reward people who are illegally sharing copyrighted material.” Otherwise, you’re as full of shit as Anon.
      
      “Sites like [insert site name here] are built for pirates”. That’s the most asinine thing you could possibly say. You could easily put any site/technology into [insert name here] and get the same kind of belief.
      
      I’m not going to argue with you. Suffice it to say, your views, while not entirely as bad as Anon’s up above, are gearing that way. Be careful. Eventually, you’ll end up just like him. And then you too will be advocating for people to have all their rights restricted (oh yeah, he’s said that too, and he’s also happily said if given the opportunity, he’d gladly restrict people’s rights himself, including all rights as given to them, for U.S. citizens that is, by the Constitution and Bill of Rights).
    - Anonymous
      
      But sites like RapidGater are built for pirates to earn money via affiliate system.
      
      No. The affiliate programme is to encourage lawful uploads. It also helps artists to earn money from distributing their own creation.
      
      Piracy is a market problem and violation of their TOS. How each business deals with this problem depends on their business goals and local laws.
      
      If you want to prove to me otherwise please give some evidence.
      
      Easily done. MegaUpload also ran an affiliates programme subject to the same claim you just made. The EFF now say they have heard from over 1 million people who have lost lawful media in this raid.
      
      RapidShare makes their own business choices but they did lose vast customers when they complied with entertainment industry whim.
  - Tom
    
    @AnonsMome….
    Wow.. your whole rant wasn’t at all based on anything that Anon said.
    - Guest
      
      Tom, Anon = MAFIAA
    - AnonsMomeShouldveHadAnAbortion
      
      Actually it was. Anon was saying that PayPal shouldn’t be processing payments for unlawful online activity. Hmm. The article is about a cyberlocker shutting down after a PayPal ban. 2+2=4. So, from the article and Anon’s comments, it’s easy to see that to Anon “cyberlockers = unlawful online activity”, I merely pointed out that cyberlockers are perfectly legal. Then gave examples. Then called out Anon for being a misinformed idiot troll.
      
      If you’d like a dose of what he got, I’m willing to help you out.
    - Tom
      
      AnonsMome…
      According to the FBI Mega Upload were running their site illegally. If you can provide a good argument, based on facts as to why this isn’t the case I would certainly listen to it..
    - AnonsMomeShouldveHadAnAbortion
      
      I never mentioned Megaupload nor do I feel like getting into a discussion on the subject, because all we have at the moment is hearsay on the subject.
      
      “According to the FBI Mega Upload were running their site illegally. If you can provide a good argument, based on facts as to why this isn’t the case I would certainly listen to it.. ”
      
      According to… I can easily find someone online with just as much credibility as the FBI (or better said, with perhaps even more credibility and integrity) that will say Megaupload was being run perfectly within legal constraints. In fact, there are more than a few articles out there at the moment focusing very much on the Megaupload seizure and the site operations. A few being written by legal and technology experts, which lends more credence than “anonymous FBI agent/memo”.
      
      Besides, “running their site illegally” is such a broad term. How was it being run illegally? Is it that the site was itself illegal? Hardly, according to court rulings in regards to cyberlockers. Was it that the owner had a shady past? Perhaps, but then again, you’d be hard pressed to find any person on the planet with a perfect history as a model citizen who’s never done anything wrong.
      
      In fact, I don’t need to provide jack. Think about it, you’re basing your view on the matter based on nothing but “according to the FBI…” and asking me to present evidence otherwise. How about YOU bring some evidence for how the site was being operated illegally? And if you say “they reward uploads wre wre wre” then I hate to say, you’ve already lost me (as far as this debate is concerned, because that’s a bullshit reason).
      
      You want me to present proof but you won’t present any yourself. That’s what I’m getting from this. You could easily have done some research yourself and presented it, then said “Now your turn.” Of course, that would mean we were discussing Megaupload to begin with. You just dropped that entirely out of nowhere. Which is odd, considering how off topic that was in regards to my latest reply to you. You said that what I originally said to Anon had nothing whatsoever to do with what he said, I pointed out how it did in fact have everything to do with what he said. I then pointed out, yet again, that per court rulings, cyberlockers (of which Megaupload would fall under) are IN FACT PERFECTLY LEGAL. It’s some users who do things that may be illegal that are the problem. As far as Megaupload, like I said before, without all the facts, I’m actually not going to form an opinion on the matter one way or another. And no, the FBI “saying so” isn’t enough for me. The U.S. government seized Dajaz1 for OVER a year, because it was a blog full of pirated material. Yet in over that year, not once instance of any such material has been found. And rather than admit a mistake was made, they’ve just tried to brush the matter off entirely. Think about that. The U.S. government seized a site based on all kinds of evidence, evidence that has yet to materialize, to the point that they kind of said “our bad, here you go”. So what’s that say to you? Still think the FBI is perfect and all knowing? $5 says you do.
      
      It’s been not fun. Let’s not do this again some time. If you’re going to defend someone, piece of advice, pick someone else besides Anon to defend. Also, don’t point out how people are off topic in regards to previous comments and then go and do the same thing yourself. It reeks of hypocrisy.
    - Tom
      
      That was a whole load of nothing. You could have just said “No I can’t. Sorry”
      
      Here is some evidence that MegaUpload were running their site illegally.
      
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/78786408/Mega-Indictment
      
      As to why so many cyberlockers started running around like headless chickens after the whole MegaUpload take down and why Rapidshare seems to be the only ones making any real steps to run it’s business legally. Well I’m sure you can explain all that, in a huge wall of text I expect.
      
      http://www.pcworld.com/article/248579/megaupload_legal_troubles_send_shudders_through_cyberlocker_community.html
      
      No one is saying that cyberlockers are illegal but they can be run illegally and that’s kinda what you completely missed with Anon response.
    - TomSucks
      
      “That was a whole load of nothing. You could have just said “No I can’t. Sorry”
      
      Here is some evidence that MegaUpload were running their site illegally.
      
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/7878…”
      
      That is NOT evidence. That is an indictment. An indictment, for those of us who aren’t lawyers, as you evidently are obviously very much NOT, is NOT evidence (just wanted to repeat that).
      
      That document is a list of charges brought forth in the indictment. But it does NOT make it true, it just means that’s what they are charging Megaupload (and particularly Kim Dotcom with). But being charged with something, is not proof that you did in fact do what you are being charged with.
      
      As a rebuttal, you shill, I present to you articles from Techdirt, which have sources there in. In case you’d like to do any further reading, and not come off looking like an idiot.
      
      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120221/14490517833/megaupload-boss-kim-dotcom-granted-bail-after-us-fails-to-prove-hes-got-cash-stashed-away-to-make-escape.shtml
      
      That article is about how Kim Dotcom has been granted bail. After, you know, the U.S. FAILED to prove that he’s got a fortune stashed away and is a serious flight risk. Let me repeat that, despite all this “evidence” you seem to be aware of and the U.S. seems to have, they COULD NOT prove he had a dime to make a get away, hence the bail. That alone should be enough to shut you up.
      
      As to why so many cyberlockers started running around like headless chickens after the whole MegaUpload take down and why Rapidshare seems to be the only ones making any real steps to run it’s business legally. Well I’m sure you can explain all that, in a huge wall of text I expect.
      
      http://www.pcworld.com/article…
      
      I don’t need to explain that in a huge wall of text, but the reason for the huge wall, was to try and get you to think rather than regurgitate what you’re spoon fed, per usual troll routine.
      
      Rapidshare isn’t the only one making steps to run it’s business legally. Other sites, however, no longer feel secure in general. If the U.S. can reach out, commando raid specific individuals (as was the case with Kim Dotcom, as well as other members of the Megaupload staff, including Alicia Keyes’ husband, a well known recording artist… funny that a legitimate and recognized member of the music creating community would be involved in anything illegal…. further proof that you and the “evidence” are full of it) that is something to worry about. Even if you aren’t doing anything illegal. Just the fact that someone can claim you are, then seize all your assets, then detain you after what is essentially a SWAT-team like raid IN YOUR OWN HOME… well, I’d be freaking out too.
      
      http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20120216/03595717776/how-megaupload-shutdown-has-put-cloud-computing-business-plans-risk.shtml
      
      That article is about how the entire cloud computing business is now at risk.
      
      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120122/23343817505/megaupload-shutdown-means-other-companies-turning-off-useful-services.shtml
      
      That article is about how many legitimate services are now changing/shutting down services to the U.S. (for the reasons I listed above, essentially… “oh shit, the U.S. can do what it wants, let’s just drop them entirely as customers”.
      
      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120120/00373617487/megaupload-details-raise-significant-concerns-about-what-doj-considers-evidence-criminal-behavior.shtml
      
      And last but not least, an article, specifically about the “evidence” against Megaupload.
      
      “No one is saying that cyberlockers are illegal but they can be run illegally and that’s kinda what you completely missed with Anon response.”
      
      Actually, Anon, up above HAS AND IS saying cyberlockers are illegal. Which again, was very much my point originally. Before you had to jump in and get a dose of what he gets (although with less sarcasm and even some respect). Any business can be run illegally or in a manner that some would consider illegal (because, without an actual trial determining that something illegal was INDEED taking place, it’s all just speculation… and you know, a matter of opinion). Which is, yet again, a point I clearly stated up above. Before you got your panties further in a twist after being called out to provide evidence yourself before you ask it others to do it.
      
      Which brings us back full fucking circle, again, to my point. None of this was at all what I (emphasis on “I”) specifically talking about originally. I pointed out Anon’s stupidity and misinformation. You jumped down my neck about that. I pointed out his stupidity, again, you changed the subject. You sir are a hypocrite and really grasping at straws. I just presented 4 links. You presented 1. Mine are more than just “the FBI said so” or a link to an “indictment” (which, yet again, is NOT the same thing as actual evidence), the ball’s in your court. What are you gonna do? Because where I sit, I’m looking much more in the right than you are.
      
      As for not liking my wall of text. I prefer to explain things entirely rather than be misunderstood. Also, it helps to inform others, who may believe stupidity spewed by trolls like yourself. It’s done for their benefit. Frankly, I wouldn’t expect any troll to actually like (much less make use of) more than 1 or 2 sentences at a time. Reiterating talking points and pointing fingers and ad homs seem to be your kinds forte.
    - Tom
      
      Evidence for a court of law and evidence for arguments sake on an internet forum are two different things. I was hoping that you would understand that.
      
      For the rest of your rant… if you are unable to make a point in a few lines then perhaps you should think a bit more before you make a responses.
      
      I’m sure you could have condensed all of that to just the links you provided.
      
      I would say thanks for your time but it’s obvious that you have a massive amount of it.
- Jmorse43508
  
  Your ignorance is showing as usual, troll.
- It’s a fit-up
  
  Paypal, good reputation?
  
  HAHAHA
- Username
  
  Unlawful activity is an expression of freedom.
Zeitgeist

That’s what happens when you keep paying affiliates – you get shut down. See uploaded.to, rapidgator, oron and a few others that will experience same fate.

The days of paying affiliates are over :)
Anonumous

Last 2 day my vpntunnel is bit slow and i’m afraid it may be even worse in the future.
Anonymous

it’s just another way of attaining the end result; closing down another file sharing site. anyone think the entertainment industries didn’t exert pressure somewhere along the line, either directly or indirectly, ie, via an anti-piracy agency? even if there were laws everywhere that clearly stated file sharing was completely legal, those arseholes would still sue people/companies until they had to stop because of running out of money.
Zac Effron

Why does rapidgator say the Paypal policy will only affect new file hosts and not old ones like filefactory or rapidshare?
- O’lay Pirate
  
  Rapidshare is deemed as legal and doesn’t have an affiliate programme… yet rapidgator did and therefore PayPal cried.
  
  I’m anti-affiliates which pay pirates … I hope a file host comes along and bans pirates but pays artists and the people with the creative minds. :-
anon

all paypal ever did for me was make it difficult to do transactions. banks do too. why the hell does it take 2 days for a bank to bank transfer to go through? we live in the fucking 21st century, not horses and carriages. transactions should go through in less than 10 minutes. and why should paypal be able to sit between you and a vendor AND suck up like 5% for doing nothing other than slowing down and costing your business, and your customers.

Bitcoin does fix these problems, and i use it to sell stuff too. the only disadvantages to using bitcoin are, no reversing transactions(this is also a positive in some situations, selling stuff through paypal is hell sometimes because people can reverse transactions.). bitcoin takes 5-20 minutes for a transaction to go through (this is the time for it to get included in a block, you can accept transactions earlier, but at the risk of a double spend).

And the best reason of all for using bitcoin is that there is no taxes and the US gov cant inflate your life savings (please do not keep your life savings on bitcoin).

The only thing about bitcoin is its volatility. This means the amount of bitcoin you can buy for said dollars changes, a lot. so bitcoin should only really be used to send and receive money easily through the internet, then changed back to cash/gold/silver or your other commodity/currency of choice.
- O’lay Pirate
  
  I agree about PayPal being shit… but I don’t think Bitcoins will ever be the answer since I doubt my sister would use it (non-nerd) … and if companies don’t have a big audince with the payment gateway… they simply wont implant it. Just like Rapidgater, they could move payment gateways…. but they will be missing out of a lot of customers because they no longer use PayPal.
  
  PayPal will always be the boss untill the users who use it move to somewhere else, I don’t see that happening anytime soon (unless the USA bans all international companies from using PayPal … which I doubt will happen even with PIPA/SOPA in place).
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Alyssa Blindy

It smells like SOPA in an eerie way.
Guest

I’m starting to get the feeling that Old Media had this campaign all prepped and ready to go for a while now, with SOPA/PIPA being the last thing they needed to fall into place to give them the legal entitlement to kick it off. Then SOPA/PIPA failed spectacularly and the MAFIAA said ” **** it, we’ll do it live!” and started anyway.

I look forward to seeing what kind of Web 3.0 will emerge after the MAFIAA’s temper tantrum runs it course.
- Anon
  
  Agreed, it’s all happening too fast.
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JoeCamel

I’m really disappointed with the ignorance toward bitcoin displayed by many people here. I expected this community to be much more informed. Do some research before forming opinions people.
- CoeJamel
  
  I’m really disappointed with the lack of any explanation to back up your claim.
Anonymous

If I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, the world needs non-American payment/card processors.
- Rohe
  
  Someone in the banking industry said somewhere, that PayPal used quite tricky loopholes to create their business, and those are now closed by European regulation. Meaning, if you want to build a PayPal clone in Europe, you would have to couch up 100 million in advance for security.
  
  You would need a billionaire to do that.
  - Anonymous
    
    Keeping in mind that this is the same banking industry which created the subprime bundles and asserted that the good times wouldn’t stop rolling, believed in infinite expansion, etc..
    
    Even if that were the case, as an expensive venture, the recent spate of America imposing their laws upon the world outweighs minor financial outlay over the major damage US lawmakers can do to the world by using Wall St. to club us over the head.
http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

No announcement on the website about this. I would think that if this was true, they would have posted a big announcement on their main page.
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  On another subject, Paypal needs to be SUED AND SUED HARD over this faggotry of ‘freezing people’s accounts for 6 months’. Totally illegal and illegitimate in most parts of the world.
  
  If anyone else but Paypal tried that crapola, they would have their CEO in PRISON FOR 40 YEARS!
sabacat

Paypal apparently think they are the “Moral Police” now as well. Threatening to stop services to a site if they don’t remove certain types of erotic content. http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/26/paypal-erotica-smashwords-censorshi/
Guest

where did you get this info you might wanna contact RapidGator on this

all the news on it I see are from some spanish site. so I’m not sure if this is fake or not
Chronoss2008

back to fxp style hacking corporate places to hide warez
we dont want to pay anyhow….
Mwhahaha

People making money off pirates are thieves. They’re as bad, if not worse than all the major studios put together. Y’all bitch about what the studios are doing to make money, yet all bemoan when for profit pirates are busted.

Let’s share freely and with each other for enjoyment and cultural gain, not make money for people who don’t deserve it.
- Mr.Afghanistan
  
  And your grandma will pay for the server fees ?
  Who said they are making $ out of it ? They should collect some $ to pay for all the servers you are downloading from and servers which is running the site.
  
  Lots of sites are based on donation and paying dedicated server payments from those donations. So it’s bullshit if PayPal don’t allow them to collect donation to keep the servers online.
  
  I am against profiting from pirating but donations should be allowed to keep the sites online.
- 512
  
  Exactly, fuck the for-profit pirates. Instead of sharing content freely they attempt to profit off of other people’s work. Fuck PayPal as well, who the hell do they think they are? Oh and fuck you too for reading this!
  - Mr.Afghanistan
    
    hahahahahhahahahah Fuck everybody, right :P ?
    you are one s0n of a b!tch :))))
    - 512
      
      :D
Mr.Afghanistan

There are 100s Payment systems which are processing Cards.
Indeed they are processing cards better than PayPal.

Huge number of my friends moved from PayPal to google checkout and Amazon payments because Paypal was teasing them and disturbing you all the time.

My Friends are very happy with google checkout and Amazon payment.

And of course you can find better international payment processors which are not based in the U.S.

No need to shut down any service, go find a better alternative. i am sure you can find one within 3-5 days if you seriously search for it.

Good luck and F00k the PayPal.
- Aka
  
  Amazon froze my accounts and i was not doing anything illegal … now tell me who is bad ! So dont hop around, just make sure you are legal. I guess all your friends are foolish and illegal. Thanks , good riddance .. maybe paypal will have lesser risk to deal with … It is good for a company to attract good people, there are so many illegal people who would be better off moving to other services …
  - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
    
    Simply put, you should have complained to Amazon and no, Paypal doesn’t have less risk. If anything, they have MORE risk than Amazon and Google Checkout do.
  - Bfelten
    
    Problem is “being” legal here, and everywhere on the internet, nowadays equals legal according to US law.
    
    In most other parts of the world, it’s illegal for a money transferer to freeze an account for six months without support from a judicial entity.
- Guest
  
  You are wrong thinking that Google and Amazon are moraly better than PayPal.
Anonymous

How about Moneybookers for the time being?
- Zac Effron
  
  Moneybookers doesn’t allow US users
http://twitter.com/FreePSDFinder FreePSDFinder

There is many payment methods , Paypal isn’t the only one! screw them haha ! :)
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  Agreed. Alertpay, Buzzpay, etc. exist and have much better policies than Paypal.
RIAAtarded

I think it is time paypal was force to conform to banking laws freezing someone’s assets for 6 months is not only bad business practice but should be considered theft and fraud. If you use paypal you’ve paid for a service and as such should have the right to a speedy resolution on any issues or disputes against you. 6 months is long enough to put you bankrupt depending on how much you’ve laid out or have in progress. So tired of all these paypal nightmare stories because of their “I don’t give a f#@k” attitude. Why I use VISA with my paypal not a bank account. they might not want to deal with it but the credit card company sure as hell will in short order. Might lose your paypal account but you won’t get fucked over.
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  Agreed on that subject. Actually, there has been talk for years about making Paypal equivalent to a bank but they keep on whining, moaning and threatening to shut down if the politicians do that.
  
  I think it’s about time to call them on their bluff.
  - Anonymous
    
    I cannot agree more. PayPal should be strictly regulated like a Bank.
  - Rohe
    
    PayPal can shut down if they are treated like a bank. And the users will run away, because there isn’t something like an “anonymous” account in banking.
    
    It would force PayPal to issue a bank account number to you and you would have to tell the recipient your full name and bank account. Who wants that??
    
    The only reason people (NOT businesses) like Paypal is because you can use it anonymous and they give you back $1500 if the seller f–ed you.
    
    Everybody asking Paypal to behave like a bank really ask Paypal to shut down and everybody going back to credit cards and dubious money transfers.
    - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
      
      No, we don’t. There are MANY big names in the online selling space that are regulated like banks and they have absolutely no problems at all.
      
      Secondly, that thing about “Paypal would have to tell the recipient your full name and bank account” is bullcrap! They don’t even do that with other payment services I use online, the only thing the person you are selling to sees is BUPKISS!
      
      NADA, ZIP, ZILCH, ZERO!
  - Mikko
    
    They are a bank in Europe
Anonymous

For those people who say PayPal is wonderful for sellers then let me use a REAL LIFE EXAMPLE how you can not only unlawfully defraud an eBay seller but to also close down his/her eBay trading.

1. Open as many eBay accounts as you feel you need using valid name & address. In this example 4 should be enough.

2. Find an overseas eBay seller who from their postal charge uses standard airmail postage.

3. Place an order using your first account paying by PayPal then wait the 3 or 4 days for arrival.

4. Repeat step 3 using your 2nd, 3rd and 4th eBay account and one sole PayPal account waiting for all to arrive.

5. Now time to get your money back and fuck over this trader. Go to your PayPal account and file 4 disputes taking them all direct to claim and PayPal resolution.

6. Then leave this seller 4 negative dumb looking no receipt feedbacks.

7. Then totally ignore this pissed off seller wanting to murder you.

8. Respond to all PayPal queries saying no receipt. Then about 2 weeks later PayPal will return all your money.

Let me point this out. Four different eBay accounts, never seller contact, never a ‘where is my order?’, ignoring seller and clear receipt time spacing PayPal still do refunds because seller cannot prove delivery.

Then with 4 negative feedbacks and 4 PayPal disputes you have just fucked over any small seller’s eBay account and eBay will ban them from selling.

ALL THIS HAPPENED TO ME!

Sellers watch out for buyers using multiple eBay accounts and zero feedback accounts. If in doubt insist on recorded tracked signed-for post.

Buyers remember doing this is unlawful and very nasty. I only mention to highlight that PayPal supports fraud.
- Rohe
  
  I know 2 people who absolutely hate Paypal as sellers. I read about hundreds of shop owners who claim, if they remove PayPal as option, they can close shop.
  Its a hate/love relationship. You are where the users are. Its a pro-user system.
  
  And then some of them tell you, that many credit card processors started 2012 to ask for deposits in the height of one month (up to a quarter of revenue!) because there are sometimes so many cash-back requests that they require YOU, the seller, to give them a free of interest credit line.
  
  Paypal may block your account for some time. But they never ask for free credit lines or simply throws you out because you attract to many fraudulent cards.
  
  There is no perfect system. Not with money on the internet. If its so easy, we would have seen 10 paypal clones.
  - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
    
    Actually, yes, there is a perfect system and it is what other organizations and credit cards have gone to: REQUIRING CCV2 numbers when you buy something online.
    
    It’s damned near impossible to keep track of CCV2 numbers for all credit cards just by using a card scanner/duplicator as long as someone isn’t foolhardy enough to put their CC in your hand.
foff

This is just another reason I don’t buy long term premium account on any filehost. I have see a few links to this one but not many so it is really no big loss. The Megaload case is not a done deal. It may even be thrown out of US courts. Just having a few servers in the US does not give it jurisdiction over an entire foreign operation. Megaload may not come back but this action does not mean the end of filehosts. We will see how the courts deal with it.

Why the hell isn’t there a decent alternative to paypal. I mean for god sake can some business person put up a decent competitor. Why the fucking hell is the internet so dominated by monopolies. Fuck!
- PelouzeTF
  
  There were alternatives of sorts…..but the operators ran off with the money.
  
  Google epassporte and chris mallick for one of many examples.
Anon123

To me this sounds like paypal is blaming the cyberlockers for what people using the service are doing.

Its like trying to blame [Insert vehicle company] for people having accidents in their vehicles. So just because someone is using this vehicle (cyberlocker) and ends up going through a red light (uploading something illegal). Would you immediately blame the company (cyberlocker) for what the person in the vehicle is doing?
- Tom
  
  Actually it’s more like a hospital getting blamed for not firing a doctor that often comes to work drunk.
- Sfsdbsdb
  
  If I were a MORON working for the mafiaa and riaa, yeah I’d blame the damn car company and the cyberlocker.
  
  However, being a logical human, I’ll blame the users who abuse the service.
- PelouzeTF
  
  Paypal and other processors have made money during this, no doubt, they’ve turned a blind eye to it all in favor of profit. No love for them at all.
  
  However, maybe Rapidgator shouldn’t offer a rewards program to uploaders lol. Rapidgator knows exactly what they’re doing to get money and making money from a filelocker is incredibly difficult unless you reward uploaders and turn a blind eye to copyright infringement.
helllome

ha, it is sad to see people behaving foolishly, scouting for alternatives ! Remember what paypal is doing is trying to be in legal domain of the land it is operating in, else govt will get angry. Remember Paypal is doing business and legal business, so it has the right to make sure it is used by legal entities. All other alternatives who might service, will become legally moral once they become big … so it is not that other service providers are good, just that they dont care for legal, they want more traffic thats all .. so you will never find a legal service which you will love … if you are illegal.
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Zac Effron

Paypal wants to make the public think they are a good responsible company but they have been working with organized crime for years.

They are only stepping up policing because they don’t want to get swept up in the Mega investigation.
- Tom
  
  Really? do you have any evidence of this?
  - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
    
    Yep, numerous statements from former workers reporting anonymously, that for some reason do not get acted upon.
    
    Just punch into Google “Paypal Mafia Connections”……. be amazed!
    - Tom
      
      Really, Do you have any evidence of this?
    - Tom
      
      In other words give me a specific link at least. That search didn’t really turn up anything that proves..
      
      “Paypal wants to make the public think they are a good responsible company but they have been working with organized crime for years.
      
      They are only stepping up policing because they don’t want to get swept up in the Mega investigation”
Fukuphorse

dang.
Trololo

I just use torrents.
http://twitter.com/Ashish67 ASHISH SHARMA

we are fucked.
- Mr.Afghanistan
  
  Only judge yourself. No body else is fucked.
  
  You are the only stupid who is fucked up !!!
Frankrollz

I am curious and cant find any info regarding cases involving infringement letters, lawsuit threats, etc originating from a cyberlocker download. Have there been any cases involving the tactics similar to torrent downloads, but used against alleged pirates who used a cyberlocker?
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Anonymous

Sorry man but that is jsut downright messed up man, I mean like seriously.
Total-Privacy dot US
Don Joe

Shutting down cyberlockers, and yet more people will loose their jobs.
Joe Blow

Bitcoin for the win. How about some personal responsibility and not needing an authority to watch over everything you do. When bitcoin becomes big enough there will be no need to transfer in and out of fiat currencies it will be self supporting on its own.
- Krozar
  
  When BTC becomes big enough, it will become a target.
  - ¬$%
    
    They’re plenty busy already creating and modifying rules to ensnare it.
someone@somewhere

Im so tired of rich people who wanna be richer!
New laws, Ban this, Ban that.
Soon the only information or file sharing will be just the things goverment wants you to spread.

http://youtu.be/l62UTsRQ6qY
hatersgonnahate

Lol at people saying pirates don’t pay for stuff, may I remember you that the megaupload guy got filthy rich? Seems people are fine with paying for a good service…

Those filesharing sites should definitly look into bitcoin, its free so the only cost is setting it up.

I once bought a premium account on uploaded to with bitcoins, was a very nice
experience, and it was kinda instant after sending the payment.
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  Actually, most of his money was made off ads put on the websites. Ad revenue for a site that is seeing tens of millions of hits an hour can add up damned quick.
  - Zeitgeist
    
    No, it was made from subscriptions. Read the indictment.
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Freeman

@ dumbs , troll and brainwahsed obedient people

Who say and decide what is legall or ilegall ?

Who teach you whats is lawful or unlawful ?

Your brainwashed mother or teacher? , they are already contaminated by system manipulation , they are already part of this evil system even they dont know that

So whos say and decide what is legall or ilegall what is bad or good ?

A system which manipulating you to enslaveing you , a system who kill ,abuse and prosecute inocent people in the name of freedom ,of democracy ? a system who speak about human rights but take rights in excuse to “protect” people against terrorism copyright etc etc , a system who lie at huge scale and make presure propaganda manipulation since you born , a system who are first to violate all international laws when have huge interests ,a system which are ready to put in sale your life
A system which manipulating you by their agressive advertising to be agressive to consider money the ultimate value which gives you the power to have your own “slaves” which work for you ,which makes your fashionable cars house, to satisfy all your desires etc a system which manipulating you to buy more and more, to distroy nature and finally makes you suicide slowly (which offer plastic toxic junk food to be ill and lots of medicine drugs after to keeping alive) a system which makes you to be addictive , to be greedy , to desire more and more “thier junk products” , to spend more money and time for stupid thinks not to educate and learn to think free,not to doing something for you not to encrease your spirital level to work like a slave , to keeping you busy all the time to dont think ,dont react and be a part of their dirty system (becouse they know people with high spiritual level cant be manipulated cant be controled and are dangerous for their system becouse that people can be leaders and can tell the truth to others ,becouse can react and fight against of their lies system )

Who make the laws ?

You , me , people votes ? Remember in theory democracy is “dictatorship of majority” so majority people decide whats is bad or not what is legal or not and so on not just a few stupid fat old farted people call politicians

So you still think you have freedom , you have freedom of choice ? You think people decide what is legal or not what is good or not

No ! They decide ! they decide we must doesnt have this right becouse they will loose power

Laws and decisions about what is legall /illegal what is good or bad is make it by a cast – corrupted politicians who take the bribe corporations , dirty lobbysts ,people which sale thier mother for money – thats all what matter for they – money nothing more ,they doesnt care about your life or if will die becouse of thier actions , but seems you are too brainwashed to think and see that

Paypal is just a part of this contralized system , why do you think they offer services for free or for low costs – becouse they collect spy and report /sale all data info about people at goverment agencies like FBI (names, adresses, number phones, birth date, when and where people make transactions, what kind of transactions , what people buy , etc etc they waching your steps everytime when you use it ) , also sometime paypal abuse people from weak countries (in general poor countries from Asia , Africa , Middle and East Europe , Middle and South America) and find and excuse to close down accounts to take em all money

Thats it the system is sick ,we all are part of it and quilty (less or more) becouse dont react and let system to manipulate , abuse and control us

So is only one solution for that – stop use , boycott all USA UE products , services , buy just what is really necessary ,think twice before ,check quality and origin (of food for example) and so on
Their power is based on our work and money , so if we stop to use and buy , they will loose money and power – it is so simple
Maybe some people will loose their jobs but i think is time to wake up and think whats they doing ( they earn some money and distroy itself , nature and future of their childerns , distroy chance to have real freedom , a peacefull and healthy life) its time to think for which kind of people they work like a slaves !
BJD

I am completely on Paypals site and they should do the same to all other file-hosters as well to finally kill those services for good
http://www.rusiczki.net/ János

Oron just cancelled my recurring PayPal payment.
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BJD

In my view it is time to think about our way to consume media and choose which types of media are actually important to us and which are not.

If you consider yourself as a user of one-click-hosters, just think about your past behaviour for a few seconds. No, I am not saying that you are thieves etc. and I am not sponsered by the MPAA or RIAA at all! However, just think about how much media you consumed over the last years from those companies, and I mean actually consumed, not only downloaded and never looked at it again!! I would guess that probably on 10% of those media are actually worth to be considered and to own/pay money for. If so, let’s think about what this means. If you would have bought all of that media, how much money would have been necessary to spend? I guess the amount is way smaller than you might have thought. And don’t say you cannot say that there is no chance of haveing a look at the media at first, because -if you are honest to yourself- this is really not true. Think about Itunes and Amazon and the preview of all tracks they are offering you from the comfort of your home. Think about all of the reviews they publish on their websites. And think about all the trailer videos you can watch right from your desk. Based on that material, is it really the case, that the so-called content-mafia is ripping you off. Honestly, I don’t think so and I have not held that opinion all of the time. Imagine how cheap a CD at Amazon is, in particular if you are going for the MP3-download. You can even buy a single track for round about $0.99. Imagine 15 years ago, you actually had to spend a fortune for a CD (it was more or less $6. per CD incl. a single track and mainly $10-12 for an album).

The same is about media on DVD and Blue-Ray, apart from the quality. Don’t get me wrong, I agree that most actors and singers might often earn way too much (or maybe the record labels more than the artists), but this is how it is. Piracy will, of cause, always exist, but it cannot be the solution as someone has to pay the artists! Also, the often-stressed Pirate Bay is, in my view, not the solution. In my view, stores like Itunes and Amazon are the future and the streaming services already available like Napster, for example. Imagine, you pay them aroun 10 bucks per month to listen to ALL of the songs as often as you want to. Sure, you cannot save them on your harddrive forever, but why should you do so? You can have all tracks on the whole planet to listen to for ~120 bucks a year (no, I am also not sponsored by Napster etc.). Come on, this is not that expensive, it is actually a bargain.

This is in my view the main thing everyone should think about – leaving the “save everything to your harddrive you might need it later”-approach towards the “consume what you really need and simply pay for that”-approach. If the latest CDs are too expensive for you, then buy used ones from Amazon Marketplace, I just stocked up myself with some 2009-CDs for GBP0.01 plus GBP1.82 postage. That is GBP1.83 for a great CD including postage & packaging. Sorry, but it would be simply a lie to say that this is somehow close to “expensive”.

Really, think about it, consume what you really need and pay for that! It’s a good feeling actually.
LazyDave

On a related note, it’s a wonder RapidShare didn’t pursue RapidGator for possible trademark infringement, especially since they’re virtually competitors. I’m sure I missed something, though.
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  Rapidshare is the combination of two common words. Not sure that can be trademarked, even in America.
  
  Same thing with RapidGator.
  - DTSLeech.com
    
    Im sure it could be trademarked, but the fact still remains that a trademark on RapidShare would give you no rights of infringement against RapidGator…
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Anon

I wonder, if one were to profit on a large scale from file-hosting by taking subscription payments in the form of BitCoins, would that mean that BitCoins would have to legally be accepted as a currency form before I could be accused of profiteering from an alleged illegal activity?
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Jake D.

Just closed my Paypal account. Fuck you.
Anonymous

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Guest of a Guest

I use Paypal for eBay. Duh! I have to. Beyond that I don’ recommend them.

I likes me some BitCoin for sure. Know what else I like? GOLD and SILVER! You better have some of your assets in those time honored forms.

I tolerate my Visa and MasterCard credit and debit cards. Never carry a balance on the credit cards however. Pay it off each month so you don’t own the vipers ANYTHING. If you can’t do that, don’t buy what you are planing to buy at that time. Plan ahead and save and invest (last one is a maze in itself) to have more money (buy gold not paper money alone) stored and to be used for emergencies too.

About this soon to be ex file hoster: Too bad. What did you expect? PayPal is very arbitrary. There were better payment alternative services and more accepting e-commerce transfer companies to hook up with. You are from Russia? Really? You did not think to look at some EU or Asia based alternatives apart from Paypal? BitCoin would not have been a bad compliment nor back up to your site.
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I could be accused of profiteering from an alleged illegal activity?
Guest

As a long-time torrenter, I told everybody who would listen (most wouldn’t) several years ago that sites like MegaUpload were profit-oriented and anti-sharing in nature, and would only result in incredibly rare materials (such as, for instance, old Turkish films, etc) possibly becoming permanently lost if some small fraction of users who would otherwise seed instead jumped ship to “RapidShit”, et al.

I was right.

I hate it when I’m right.

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