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Domain Seizures Do Not Violate Free Speech, U.S. Court Rules

A U.S. federal court has ruled that the domain seizure of sports streaming site Rojadirecta does not violate the First Amendment, and has refused to hand the domain back to its Spanish owner. The order stands in conflict with previous Supreme Court rulings and doesn’t deliver much hope to other website owners who operate under U.S. controlled domain names.

rojaAt the end of January 2011 the U.S. authorities began yet another round of domain seizures, this time against sites connected with sports streaming. This third round of action in ‘Operation in Our Sites’ took control of domains owned by sports streaming site Rojadirecta.

While most owners of affected domains have decided not to appeal the seizures, the Spanish owner of the Rojadirecta, one of Spain’s most popular sites, did.

Two months ago the company behind the site, Puerto 80, filed a petition in the Southern District of New York for the return of its domains. This call was later supported by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) who together with Center for Democracy and Technology and Public Knowledge submitted an amicus brief in support of the Spanish company.

Yesterday, United States District Court Judge Paul Crotty decided to deny Puerto 80′s request, which means the domain will remain in the hands of the U.S. Government. The Judge argues that seizing Rojadirecta’s .com and .org domains does not violate the First Amendment of the Constitution.

“Puerto 80’s First Amendment argument fails,” the Judge writes.

“Puerto 80 alleges that, in seizing the domain names, the Government has suppressed the content in the ‘forums’ on its websites, which may be accessed by clicking a link in the upper left of the home page. The main purpose of the Rojadirecta websites, however, is to catalog links to the copyrighted athletic events — any argument to the contrary is clearly disingenuous.”

The Judge further ruled that the claimed 32% decline in traffic and the subsequent harm to Puerto 80′s business is not an issue as visitors can still access the site through foreign domains. Puerto 80′s argument, that users may not be aware of these alternatives, was simply waived.

“Rojadirecta argues that, because ‘there is no way to communicate the availability of these alternative sites on the .org or .com domains . . . the vast majority of users will simply stop visiting the sites altogether.’ This argument is unfounded — Rojadirecta has a large internet presence and can simply distribute information about the seizure and its new domain names to its customers,” the Judge writes.

“In addition, Puerto 80 does not explain how it generates profit or argue that it is losing a significant amount of revenue as a result of the seizure. Specifically, Puerto 80 states that it does not generate revenue from the content to which it links, and it does not claim to generate revenue from advertising displayed while such content is playing,” Judge Crotty adds.

From the above the Judge concludes that the drop in visitor traffic due to their seizure does not establish a substantial hardship, and therefore no reason exists to return the domain.

This line of reasoning goes directly against previous rulings in First Amendment cases. As the EFF points out, in two earlier Supreme Court decisions it was concluded that having alternatives available does not mean that freedom of speech isn’t violated.

According to the EFF, the peculiarities of the ruling don’t end there.

“As if misapplying the relevant substantive First Amendment analysis wasn’t bad enough, the court failed to even address the fatal procedural First Amendment flaws inherent in the seizure process: namely, that a mere finding of ‘probable cause’ does not and cannot justify a prior restraint. How the court believes that the seizure satisfies the First Amendment in this regard is a mystery,” they write.

The decision of District Court Judge Paul Crotty to stand firmly behind the Government is worrying for all other websites who operate under U.S. controlled domains. It’s yet another step in granting the Government and copyright holders more control over the Internet, at the expense of smaller businesses and the rights of citizens.


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  • sli

    The US Government takes domains, then rules it doesn’t have to give them back.

    I’m not surprised in the slightest.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Neither am I. Their excuses for not giving it back are delusional and, to quote EFF, mysterious. But then again, the US Govt is hiding more and more behind a wall of secrecy. And they talk about rogue countries and sites…

      Shameful.

      Goodbye US registrars, you won’t be missed *waves* o/~~

      • DarknezzMadnezz

        Problem is that once they have complete control over the internet in the US… they will begin attacking foreign sites controlled by other countries by threating the country in one way or another in order to force their ignorant viewpoint onto others in order to maintain a poor hold on the world’s internet.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          And the US is worried about China blocking the internet. Hypocrite much?

        • Anonymous

          USA = New Nazis. Power abuse, take rights away, invade countries.

    • Ryzzo

      Yeah, no real surprise here. What I don’t understand is why the fact that they were ruled legal twice in their own country wasn’t addressed here. Regardless of how clueless the judge is about 1st amendment issues, how can he explain not respecting the sovereignty of another country’s court?

      • Ven

        The judge stated that Puerto 80 did not properly build it’s case, including presenting a defense of their sites actions.

        He ruled against a poorly-formed petition, not the first amendment.

        • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

          In that case the Judge is effectively saying that moral justice is less important than legal procedure and technicality.
          Where did the US Government have to prove anything against the Puerto 80 company? What about innocent until proven guilty?

          Usually when a government seeks to punish an individual they have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that an offence has been committed. Where does that come about in the judgment?

    • Guest

      Welcome to Nazi America where Freedom is Propaganda.

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to Nazi America.

  • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

    I say bullshit!! Corporate paid judge, Corporate paid government, Sue the judge. ;)

    • DarknezzMadnezz

      Whats the point? good chance that the judge in charge of the case against the government and judge are paid off as well.
      Only way to deal with these things is to remove these people off the face of the planet completely. Its the only way the world will advance the way it should and continue to flourish to a better tomorrow for everyone.

      • DavidZ

        Well, then there’ll be little to no one to mediate disputes…

      • DavidZ

        Well, then there’ll be little to no one to mediate disputes…

      • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

        True but i don’t believe in violence.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      The question is, how is he corporately paid?

      There’s no info about “gifts” but he has worked in the judiciary for quite some time.

      • DavidZ

        If you folks believe the judge was paid, isn’t it the burden of the one making the claim to demonstrate that? Is it conveniently easier to believe that, rather than the judge making a decision based on whatever facts were presented that time?

        • Ven

          So, basically what you’re saying is that…

          If she weighed as much as a duck she would have been a witch?

        • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

          Problem is, when you have people at the top making erratic and inexplicable decisions the people at the bottom have little-to-no way of proving collusion or backroom dealing.
          All you can do is look at the judgment, use what info you have available and generate a conclusion that happens to fit those facts.

      • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

        They don’t easily tell the world how they’re paid off.

  • Him

    wonder what ‘incentives’ this idiot judge received to rule in this way? will there be an appeal, do you think?

    • Anonymous

      Doubt it. Guess the US is looking for another guerrilla war. This time online…

    • Anonymous

      Doubt it. Guess the US is looking for another guerrilla war. This time online…

  • MAFIAAFire

    Ohh! Someone got his payment in time ;)
    I just wonder if it was a packet under the table,
    incriminating pictures with a young hooker,
    a “free” vacation or some white powder.

  • A-Tuin

    Did the judge not just agree that ICE’s ops have dropped their traffic by 32% to the site, basically acknowledging that it’s all pointless?
    I’m surprised he didn’t suggest they’d gone elsewhere.

    Still the problem remains that _linking_ to a site containing unproven copyright infringing material is classed as illegal and that US law rules above all others.

    • Grumpygit

      LoL, thats what i was thinking, the judge basically said – The seizure done no goodharm but fk you… we’re keeping it!

  • Deanec64

    so basically the judge ruled counter to established precedent. wonderful. wonder when the government will decide to do the same to citizens when they disagree with their actions. yup NAZI america

    • Anonymous

      This is only the first stage in a long drawn out court case. Puerto 80 will be back in court on September 2 with their much more important “motion to dismiss”

      Today was only a direct request for the court to return his domains. The sticking point was the “substantial hardship” requirement and unless anyone can say how Puerto 80 will suffer “substantial hardship” in terms of this domain owner’s life then that seems a fair ruling. The downside is that ICE will hold on to them until their main trial which is not these two cases.

      The other point of if the return of these domains would allow Puerto 80 to use them for further violations of criminal law is neither here nor there when it has not yet been proved that Puerto 80 violates criminal copyright law. So the judge deferred that one until September 2 in the motion to dismiss.

      Now the judge also deferred a First Amendment ruling until the motion to dismiss case and simply ruled here that the First Amendment was not violated in the “substantial hardship” aspect of seizure law.

      So in all Puerto 80 asked “Can I have my domains back?” and the court replied “no”. Now he has to prove they should not have been seized in the first place. We can only hope then the court pays attention to prior Spanish court rulings and respects Spanish sovereignty..

      • Joe

        As usual your point is well written and easy to understand.

        “We can only hope then the court pays attention to prior Spanish court rulings and respects Spanish sovereignty.. ”

        We all know the answer to that dont we…if the court isnt american it doesnt count…not the first time though is it.
        Remeber, an American mureder will soon walk free from court because her American parents have enough money to cloud the judgement in an Italian court, despite her being guilty, she wasnt tried in a US court so she must be innocent.

        • Ven

          No offense, but American’s are not terribly impressed by Italy’s government at the moment. It doesn’t take much here for public opinion to sway towards having the woman tried in the U.S. for her involvement in that.

        • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

          @ Ven:
          We’re not talking about the government (which looks to be only about as dysfunctional as the US system). We’re talking about their courts.

  • Deanec64

    so basically the judge ruled counter to established precedent. wonderful. wonder when the government will decide to do the same to citizens when they disagree with their actions. yup NAZI america

  • Annon

    Yay they should just rename the good ole US of A to Guantanamo state run comi bastard Cuntry…

  • Annon

    Yay they should just rename the good ole US of A to Guantanamo state run comi bastard Cuntry…

    • Darknezzmadnezz

      My country is filled with Commi’s… we are not americans ither… The Portuguese are the most laid back people in the world aside from the people in Holand but they have some fine buds to keep cool to.
      the US is a Capitalistic “Cuntry” As everyone knows capitalists only think about money… not improvements to the world.

  • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com John&Jane Doe

    ..Puerto 80 does not explain how it generates profit..

    I wonder what the judge will reply if someone asks how his profit is generated?

    • Anonymous

      I think it was in their best interest to ignore the financial aspect here even if it did mean they lost their first case. ICE after all will be using the money they made as a center of their attack in future cases.

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  • Momo

    It’s funny how everyone everywhere had all these complex theories about why the blocking is legal/illegal… but the actual ruling is just a couple of pages long and contains zero law, it just says “yes, it’s legal and that’s the ruling”. I wasn’t expecting a positive outcome, but wasn’t expecting such a terse ruling either. I wonder if by doing this the judge is trying to pass the buck to the appeals court

    As for the judge himself, he was Verizon NY’s President for 10 years until he was appointed a judge by GWB. Hasn’t been doing anything spectacular since, as far as I can tell.

    To me it looks like it’s the most nondescript ruling by the most nondescript judge… that completely changes the fate of the internet.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      And that’s how the evil starts. Enough good men doing nothing.

  • the us of asshole gov

    Oh 1 more to add… killing of innocent palestinian, iraqi children etc do not violate any human rights

    • Anonymous

      Well at least not in the US of war crimes.

  • M Smith

    Judge says ruling stands as no financial hardship was caused to the website because everyone knew how to get round the domain siezure anyway.
    Is this not an admission that the original siezure was pointless.

  • Guest

    Just don’t use .com! Hell, even a .CO.UK would be better; as the admin of FileSoup will no doubt tell you. ANYTHING but .com or .org – ANYTHING.

    • blingzy

      agreed- take pride in using a non-US controlled domain. Who needs em. Domain tech is so 80′s anyway…a day will come when domains are a thing of the past.

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  • Chilly8

    The only thing is that these alternative domains can cost a lot more. A site that makes a lot of money could do that, but to smaller sites like Rojadirecta or the now-defunct TVShack or Atdhe sites, $400 per year is a lot of money to pay. This ruling will put the smaller players out of business for sure, but the biggest sites will simply play the $400 or more a year to register sites in other domains.

    • Darknezzmadnezz

      thats actually the perfect strategy being shown here by the Anti Piracy groups… Kill all “illegal” traffic within a country they can easily control, once these sites move outside of the US they will begin the assault on other countries hosting services much easier… not to mention much easier to block access to other countries from the US for them…

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  • Guest

    There go the separation of power! Government by the corporations for the corporations!

    We are going to kill them all. and all the branches of the government will be dismissed and replaced. Everyone within the US gov and not just the elected official will be sent home even the employee! A new gov will be elected. Incumbents not to apply.

    • DavidZ

      Doesn’t it feel good to make anonymous and negative comments like that?

  • Guest

    “Kill all “illegal” traffic within a country they can easily control”

    Let me rephrase this:

    “Kill all traffic they don’t like legal or not within a country they can easily control”

    You are welcome!

    This is the strategy of these parasites but we are going to kill them all.

  • Jeff Bekcer

    DNS is for mapping human readable text to machine understandable bytes. This is like the government taking down the fliers that have information on your gathering. Not violation of free speech MY ASS.

    • Anonymous

      I was also thinking about their site’s chat area that the judge ruled was only a lesser part of their service.

      What I mean is that communication is only one part of our lives anyway. You would not turn around and say to someone who has just worked 15 hours in isolation that they are now denied the right to communicate because at only 1 hour to host their chat prior sleep that it is now only a minor (and therefore valueless) part of their day.

      So the only consideration should be if their chat area provides suitable quality to make users value the communication that they do. It would be in Puerto 80′s best interests to have their users sign a petition saying that they do value this service.

      The Supreme Court is then likely to have big issues with such a communications ban.

    • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

      Well your analogy is problematic because sticking notices about in public places is likely to get you fined but using your own, paid-for domain name is perfectly legitimate.

      Even so, assuming that the notices were meant/permitted to be there in the first place, I would think removing them would still be a violation of someone’s freedom of speech.

  • Anonymous

    Lol and they claim their country is “The land of the free”. OH wow how that makes me laugh.

    Seizing a domain name is the same thing as plastering a spokesman’s mouth with duc-tape.

    • Anonymous

      I will ask North Korea government to open there .kp domain name, so i can make a full website for pirated,hacked,streaming etc content from USA !!! Just to make em SICK !!!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Paying for things isn’t that hard, guys.

    • Benjamin Bookbinder

      Apparently reading is hard for you. Try again.

      [Jesus Christ, don't people read the fucking issues surrounding the seizures, or do they just assume stupid shit without reason or rhyme?]

    • Jon7272

      it is. when your paying for rent and food piss off please

    • Jon7272

      it is. when your paying for rent and food piss off please

      • jondoe

        Well yes I can see how in a poor country you are having trouble paying for content… here is an idea… do something free or work instead of stealing shit from other people. There is no reason to throw a fit that domains linking to criminal activities are taken down. All this forum has proven is that most of you are criminals who enjoy stealing other peoples content

        • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

          The only stealing going on here is what the US is stealing (ie. peoples’ domains) without explanation.
          Then you have a court system that is backing that up (again, giving no proper, legal explanation).

    • DocGerbil100

      As comments go, that’s pretty useless, regardless of which side of the debate you’re on. You’re slipping, Eric.

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  • Anonymous

    lol, the US Supreme Kangaro oCOurt has spoken blah blah blah.
    anon-web.us.tc

    • Anonymous

      It was only a minor federal district court.

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  • Travis McCrea

    For those of you asking if he was “paid by corporations” check this out:
    He was a Group president, New York and Connecticut region, Verizon Communications from 1997 to 2005.

    So of course he is going to rule against freedom. ISPs hate freedom.

  • Gignol

    Wecome to the Corporate States of America!

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  • Lol

    america,FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Lol

    america,FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Mike1984

    Welcome to 1984!

  • Guest

    Does this judge still believe he have any once of credibility?

    Does he really still believe that we respect him and accept it’s authority?

  • Guest

    Jack Murdock, Quick! Tell your bosses that we are going to kill them all!

    (You are a filthy and useless paid parasite.So at least make yourself useful for something.)

  • Khzmusik

    Just a clarification: The judge did NOT rule that the seizure was not prior restraint. He ruled that, even if it was, prior restraint does not rise to the level of “substantial harm” necessary to return the domain names.

    It doesn’t make any sense to me either, but that’s the ruling. Still, Rojadirecta could yet prevail on First Amendment issues (among others).

  • Anonymous

    Lets help them, post their link all over the friggin web. Without the .com ofcourse.

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  • me

    It’s time to seriously consider an alternative domain name system that bypasses the US entirely:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS_root

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  • http://laurelrusswurm.wordpress.com/ Laurel L Russwurm

    So, the only free speech that is protected under the US Constitution is free speech that generates profit?

  • Priss

    If they are sending kids to jail for money and stating corporations are people and paying money to politicians is free speech , they think money is free speech but forum discussions are not. This gets you an idea where their heads are.

    Obama is turning out to be worst president then Bush.

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