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Elite Anti-Terror Police Went After Megaupload’s Kim Dotcom

While last month’s shutdown of Megaupload has been well documented, the finer details of the raid on Kim Dotcom’s mansion have only just been revealed. A new and astonishing report features a house tour and in-depth discussion with Dotcom’s bodyguard. He was confronted by dozens of armed police, some from New Zealand’s elite anti-terrorist force, who also demanded of a nanny: “Do you have any bombs?!”

Even after taking in the details of today’s 3Newz report several times, it is harder than ever to comprehend what happened at the Dotcom mansion last month.

We knew that dozens of police swooped on the location in helicopters and we knew they were armed. But what is even more unbelievable is that some of them were from the Special Tactics Group, New Zealand’s elite counter-terrorist force.

STG, nicknamed “Super Tough Guys”, train with the country’s Special Air Force and are sent in to deal with the most violent of offenders. Yet no one in the Dotcom household had any record of violence. Indeed, their main target was a man suspected of online copyright infringement – a computer related offense.

Wayne Tempero, Dotcom’s bodyguard, told 3Newz that the police were armed with assault rifles and sidearms – STG are known to use M4A3 carbines and Glock pistols. Tempero explained that two firearms were held in Dotcom mansion – two shotguns, both his, legal, fully licensed and locked away in safes.

At 06:45 Tempero was woken by a “horrendous noise” and after dressing and running outside he was confronted by a huge cloud of dust being kicked up a helicopter hovering just above the ground.

Tempero, wearing just a t-shirt and track pants with his hands held up, and was ordered by a flak jacket wearing armed officer to lie on the floor. Tempero said that the noise of the helicopter and doors being smashed elsewhere on the property was so loud that if the police did identify themselves, he didn’t hear them.

The armed police went into the indoor play area which had 3 kids inside – one aged 3, one 4 and another 15 months, together with their Filipino nannies. From there they proceeded to one of the nannies’ rooms, kicked the door down and demanded to know if she had any firearms – or bombs.

Tempero said he asked the nanny twice if she was sure they asked if she had bombs – she said she was. “Maybe that’s the kind of thing that Filipino nannies do,” Tempero said.

Outside people were being handcuffed and put on the floor. Two security guards, Tempero himself and the Filipino staff, were placed next to a van containing barking dogs.

Meanwhile the police had gone upstairs and were trying to smash down the door to Kim Dotcom’s quarters. Tempero said Dotcom’s wife tried to give them the security code but they weren’t interested and told her to go downstairs.

Police smashed down three doors to get to Kim and when Tempero was allowed back upstairs, six officers with sledgehammers and a circular saw were trying to smash into what they thought was Dotcom’s hiding place. It was in fact a broken service elevator/dumb waiter (below).

DumbWaiter

Dotcom had actually followed a prearranged plan formulated by his bodyguard which involved him hiding in the “Red Room” to ensure his safety. Tempero was asked what would have happened if a couple of police had simply turned up and asked for Dotcom to come down.

“He would have complied with everything, we would have sat at the large table, he would’ve probably offered them breakfast and he would have complied with everything,” Tempero said.

“Would he have done anything to destroy the hard drive, to take down Megaupload?” 3Newz asked. “Certainly not, why would he? He would be destroying his defense,” Tempero responded.

Red Room

Despite the massive police and apparent counter-terrorist operation against him, Dotcom was in the Red Room alone for more than half an hour.

“If Kim had a Doomsday setup where he could delete his harddrive or takedown Megaupload, would there have been sufficient time for him to do that had that been his intention?” questioned 3Newz.

“He could’ve done that within seconds,” said Tempero.

There can be little doubt that Kim Dotcom and the other operators of Megaupload are accused of serious crimes and ultimately a court will decide if they are innocent or guilty. But whatever the scale of the alleged offenses, these are ‘white collar’ issues – computer matters – and whatever he may or may not have done, Kim Dotcom is not a terrorist and has never been accused of being one.

Here’s the excellent 3Newz video report. It’s over 10 minutes long but worth the time.

Judging by the 3Newz reporter’s tone, he’s struggling to see the connection between the alleged offenses and the response by the authorities. And he isn’t the only one.

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  • James

    Money (Hollywood) buys the best mercenaries. Politicians turn a blind eye so long as their bribery money keeps coming in.

    • Anonymous

      You got that right and it is disgusting this was done in the name of copyright.

      Twice as many people were involved in this raid on his house than they sent after Osama Bin Laden. Kim Dotcom’s history clearly demonstrates he meets all legal challenges so they only had to ask him. So I doubt you can find a better example of “overkill”.

      I am left thinking what with all the dishonesty in this case then it was most likely that the United States were lying to New Zealand making out that these are violent armed terrorists.

      Then did anyone spot that early post raid lie? Someone back then told all the press that a gun of the sawn-off kind was found on the floor of the safe room next to where Kim was found hiding. An easy lie to bullshit everyone when only much later do us few people hear it was really lawful weapons correctly stored.

      What can I say about what happened then. Sure we all know Filipina nannies come trained in explosives just as much as 3 and 4 year old children are well known household terrorists. It is almost sad to think Kim had no doomsday device to level the neighbourhood!

      Well at second best he now has an inflatable battle tank on his driveway.

      • Trolololo

        This nanny bomb business reminded me of Black Lagoon. Anyone else?

        • Anonymous

          nah it was the “when did you stop beating your wife?” type question – where this is no right answer.

      • Guest

        What this also demonstrates is the obvious: that laws, once passed, are bent and twisted to suit, and are misused. What has Megaupload got to do with terrorism and elite special forces? Nothing whatsoever. It’s an overt show, a display, to fawn to and please the Americans. Sickening.

        This is why ACTA should be quashed; and all laws and agreements like it.
        What they promise is not freedom, not even to businesses or ISP’s.
        It’s bureaucracy gone mad, driven there by the most insane of Hollywood.

        • Swan

          I don’t know about pleasing Americans, as I’m an American, and I find what happened completely disgusting. I hope people around the world don’t confuse Americans with Hollywood.

          This was done to please Hollywood, and most Americans can’t stand the way Hollywood and other big business run our government. The worst part is that they’re involved in both major political parties here, so whoever we vote for, most of the time they’re just as much of a snake as their opponent.

          I pray every day that the EU doesn’t ratify ACTA, then it’ll be just the US, Japan, South Korea, and a few other smaller nations that will be locked into this ridiculous legislation. Good luck to the US trying to enforce ACTA after most of the world votes it down, making it pretty much useless.

        • Concerned

          I’m an American and couldn’t be more against it. While there are exceptions, most Americans are familiar with some type of file sharing and are against these actions. Frankly, it sickens me that my country can use so much of our resources for this nonsense, and I am troubled with the obvious abuse of law. None of this is due to the will of the American people any more than European compliance to ACTA reflects consent from citizens of other countries. As for myself, I plan to vote against my political party in the upcoming elections—which is very hard for me to do. I am making internet freedom a top priority when I go to the polls. What I would like to see is legitmate ways of resisting this abuse, and some manner of coordinating the efforts across the globe. Our policy-makers need to know that threatening the internet culture will be political suicide. Hope I see something like this emerge.

        • Yeeeeee

          Exactly. Governments around the world are using anti-terror laws -just as liberty minded people warned – as dual use oppression tools. They take taxpayers funds and use it to prosecute corporate interests.

      • Anonymous

        A few questions come to mind. His doomsday device… to take down all the servers…. If they executed their plan properly, and seized the servers at the same time as ripping his house apart, couldn’t they take the servers offline before any doomsday device could burn them? Or maybe they didn’t know that. I guess I let the cat out of the bag.

        Kim had the means to build a GO command into any/all the rooms in his house. There was no desire to do as much, not that it would have mattered if they were taken offline.

        Another contingency would have been to have backup servers ready to roll. Why wasn’t that done? Feds would have been playing whack-a-mega for ever. I know a disused nuclear bunker that hosts other servers….. :)

        • GL

          To destroy the data so it could never be recovered would take a very long time.

          He could delete the data within seconds, but actually destroying it so it could never be recovered in that timeframe would be impossible

        • Me

          Yeah the bunker is in the netherlands, piratebay has been there too

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Destroying the data, GL, would be the absolute WORST thing that he could do. Why? Because it would make it appear that he has something to hide, the time restrictions don’t really matter.

        • Someone

          The server would be overseas, in any case. Not in the mansion.

        • Anon

          @GL, not if it is encrypted. Then you would only need to destroy a small key.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          There are two ways of destroying data. One is through software, where the data gets wiped. That takes an excruciatingly long time. The other way is through physical destruction of the media. The most “popular” way is a powerful EM field, but scraping off the surface layers is more effective. Essentially, anything that damages the storage medium to where the storage layer cant be restored, will do the trick. To do this, you must either have hands on the servers, or have prepared a remotely triggered device to do the destruction.

          The remote device was the only possibility in this case. Taking custody of the servers immediately prior to the arrest would eliminate the risk. Arresting him very quickly wouldn’t. Pressing a button is simple, and may not even be necessary. Someone else may send the trigger signal, in which case you’d want a quiet and discrete arrest, or the destruction may happen in the absence of a signal.

          Not that it matters. There was no reason to expect anything like that. The servers in question were quite regular, boring servers in a quite regular, boring server park, quite free of the doomsday devices of arch villains escaped from the universe of James Bond.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think Hollywood bought the mercenaries… from what I’ve read, it sounds more like the NZ taxpayers paid for the mercs, in fact for the whole crazy, unnecessary operation. And if I was a taxpayer in New Zealand, I’d be pretty pissed off about it and demand to know what this cost and who okayed it. Then I’d make sure that person or persons were never in a position to spend my money on this sort of nonsense again.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Agreed there….. seems like a waste of money to have 70 cops/STG people busting down this guys door when 4 cops would have been more than enough.

      • FinalApokylypse

        Hollywood did not pay for this to be done. NZ taxpayers have been hit by it as it was requested by the US under a mutual assistance request which works both ways. So it was just a formal request I guess.. Really though what has been linked in this article is only one side of the story, Cambell pre-recorded this segment and then after talks to the Assistant police commissioner who signed off on the raid. This should really be included as to hear the other side of the story. Heres the link to the rest of the segment. http://www.3news.co.nz/Police-defend-actions-during-Dotcom-raid/tabid/367/articleID/242115/Default.aspx.

        Campbell:
        “There is of course a number of security cameras there, and one I’ve seen shoots out over that entire concourse and was recording that morning and would have recorded everything that unfolded where most of the action was out on the concourse. Are you prepared to release that footage as it has absolutely no influence whatsoever on the extradition proceedings or any trial that may or may not follow.”

        Commissioner:
        “Well I’m not sure whether we have that footage so whether I’d release that footage is probably a moot point.

        Campbell:
        “It was on the servers you removed”

        I would like them to locate and release that footage.

      • Recision

        I am a NZ taxpayer – and that was exactly my reaction.

    • Guest

      New Zealand (and I’m a Kiwi) should hang its head in shame. Gestapo tactics terrorising a pregnant woman and children in a dawn raid on a private home. If they wanted to serve papers, they could have skipped the dramatics. NZ has a long history of respecting human rights, and this chapter where we are kowtowing to powerful vested financial interests in the USA is shameful and disgusting.

  • Colin

    When the “offence” Kim Dotcom allegedly committed was to threaten the MAFIAA media monopoly, and so enable people to see and hear an alternative version of the “truth”, then obviously they felt ANY measures were necessary and justified in arresting this man and his associates. Look on the bright side, they didn’t actually use nuclear weapons, possibly because New Zealand is a nuclear free zone.

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    There’s no connection. I wouldn’t be surprised if the team involved in the raid was actually looking for terrorists and bombs and had no clue it was a copyright issue. I won’t assume the police force itself is evil, many of them might be even asking themselves why the fuck that much force was needed.

    This is all about destrying a man to set the example. In the Middle Ages he’d probably be burned alive under the accusation of sorcery. Welcome to the XXI century where the internet is the new sorcery and the MAFIAA is the new Inquisition.

    • Big K

      Of course STG weren’t told why are they going for Dotcom. They can’t arrest him when they are lying on the floor and laughing like crazy horse on drugs.

      In case like this, some high-enough officer will issue command and “tough guy” will execute it. He doesn’t needs to know why and he maybe don’t event want to know. To know may be contra-productive since he may sympathize with arrested and that may have influence on his performance.

    • Arzid

      You would wonder how normal people react behind the scenes when they are “used” for someones agenda, and put to action by false pretenses and made up “facts”. Someone will for example, ask the question why there had to be 70 people running up gunned into that house. It costs money, resources etc. and its not likely that you simply “pay” the difference if you made an error.

      This type of errors are not “excusable”, because they show clear intention to tricky subordinates. Lets see how the NZ government deals with that politically.
      I doubt there so many well paid jobs “the Machine” can offer people who potentially get fired over those things down there.

    • GL

      It is obvious this wasn’t a standard turn up and get him. They looked up the plans for the house and co-ordinated an attack.

      They would never raid someone in this style unless they “believed” there was a risk to life.

      I say “believed” because it is evident some lies where spread.

  • Anonymous

    Looksl ike that dude really was living large. Amazing.
    Total-Privacy dot US

    • Bohoh

      Still WOWing all these years eh?

  • http://girlspictures.tumblr.com/ Elizabeth Eberhard

    It’s a good thing that those children are small and probably won’t remember this episode, so they won’t be traumatized later in life.

    • Joel Joonatan Kaartinen

      No, that’s backwards. Younger children get traumatized more easily.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Actually, wrong. The consensus is that young children are less likely to remember the ‘bad’ times as good times are heaped on top of those bad times.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          Actually, you’re both right. The brain is shaped by impressions, and the younger the brain, the easier an impression is made, and the greater the effect of the impression. That means that the damage is greater, but it also means that it’s more reversible; a young brain can be shaped and reshaped

          Remembering is something else. The more unusual and traumatic an experience is, the more likely it is to form a permanent memory. While trauma and memory are usually connected, the memory of a traumatic event isn’t the same as trauma from that event. You can remember without having trauma, and you can forget while having trauma.

          I suspect the 3 and 4 year old kids will both remember and be traumatized. The 15 month old may not have understood enough to get scared; we can always hope.

    • http://joshesforchange.wordpress.com/ Josh C

      Even if they don’t remember what happened, they’re minds will still be messed up by this incident…

  • Caveman

    How many people did Kim Dotcom murder, abuse, rape, kidnap etc.? The police should focus on those kind of crimes instead of going for the easy ones.

    • Goest

      yep, and calling “crime” the act of facilitating the sharing of files is a symptom of a completely morally corrupted system

      • OMGWTFBBQ

        Duh, murdered people only add to unsolved crime stats. That stuff doesn’t get you promoted to police commissioner. MAFIAA showing off their influence and police showing off anti terror unit against some fat Linux programmer. It’s all just a show because they can’t do anything against real crime.

        Try and see how many homeless black men you can kill before they send an anti terror unit after your ass.

        • Jenna Brennan

          Was it really necessary to point out his weight?

  • Bert

    Fascinating look at the mansion and how they live there. Excessive force is an understatement!

    • Emily

      ??

  • HUH HUH HUH!?

    Oh god, 1) that is so embarrassing. 2) What a goddamn waste of tax payer money.

  • Kr0nZ

    It would be interesting to know how many REAL terrorists Vs filesharers have been taken down using anti-terror laws?
    I’m gonna bet thay the latter far out weighs the former.

  • Fake

    They’re Super Tough Guys!

    That’s why they got Osama, I mean Saddam, I mean the Mexican cartels, I mean, well, maybe a murderer?

    No?

    Some fat internet website guy?

    Then they went back to masturbating with their guns?

    Why don’t they call themselves the Earth Defense Force and use some rocket launchers on a shop lifter next time?

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      I can understand you but it might not be STG fault. They receive orders from above and we don’t really know what they said. Maybe it was “CAPTURE DANGEROUS BIN LADEN RIGHT ARM AND CURRENT COMMANDER OF AL QAEDA. HE IS SAID TO POSSES SEVERAL EXPLOSIVES AND MASS DESTRUCTION WEPONRY, TAKE EXTREME CAUTION, FIRE AT WILL.”

      If you are one of the troopers you’ll expect the worst, not some Filippino nannys with kids and some tech guy hiding in a panic room.

      • OMGWTFBBQ

        We seem to have found an extra member of the League of Uselessly Legit Superheroes (LULS):

        The Human Porch. A man who can turn his body into a porch, with all the powers of a porch.

        Miss Universe. The power to sound profound while reading prewritten cliché-ridden phrases about world peace

        Bong Boy. With the power to… Whatever.

        Captain Incompetent. He really really tries, but never seems to get any of his good deeds done right.

        The Copyright Copper. Using excessive force to prevent plagiarism!

      • Fake

        Ohhh….. They were just following orders!

        Why didn’t you say so?

        Here’s a broom. Go sweep out the ovens.

  • PiracyIsOpiumofthePeople

    The NZ authorities were sending a signal–which has been remarkable effective witness Filesonic etc and now BTjunkie. You do not bully without showing unnecessary force.

    • Guest

      I do hope you are not calling the combines forces of our fast approaching one-world police state ‘bullies’. Our forces are not bullies. There are trained and honed professionals.

      At the very least they are professional bullies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    I hope but doubt the feds finally realise what a crock of sh*t the MAFIAA are peddling yet I also suspect that a big part of it was a tiny country where nothing ever happens going all out to impress the visiting fbi officers and suck up to the usa.

    Guilt or innocence aside, what is really sickening is that the us gov goes all out on a questionable loss claim by hollywood of a paltry $500m over 5 or 6 years just so the democrats can get their hollywood election campaign cheques.

    Yet bankers guilty of 500 BILLION in mortgage fraud against citizens are offered a ‘get out of jail free card’ by setting up a fund containing a paltry $25bn to avoid prosecution and enable someof their victims to rnegiotiate their mortgages and stay in their homes.

    Dotcoms main failing when making that comparison was being in the wrong businnes and not bribing the right people.

    • Rohe

      You are right in principle. But teh commander in chief had it right, when he said most of them didn’t do anything wrong. They lobbied, they got what they wanted, and then everything went downhill because their greed didn’t knew any boundary. The real problem isn’t that they can’t convict them. The real problem is, that the changes the lobbied for are still intact. They are still too big to fail.

    • Me

      You forget it was actually 700 BILLION and a month after the crisis the banks asked for another 700 BILLION to save the financial system, so Goldman and Sachs ex employers listed as members of the financial cabinet of Bush just made the filthy rich more rich over the backs of their fellow americans, REAL PATRIOTIC….Oh yea an internal memo of Goldman and Sachs said that the worst thing that could happen was that the people use the only thing they have left, the right to vote against it…. and that happend, and posponed only the additional 700 BILLION EXTRA….
      American citizens got SOOOOOOO screwed by Bush and friends (OSAMA family are personal friends of BUSH, ….he advised them to leave the country).
      First a lot of civil rights were stolen from the american citizen because of the 9-11 incident, … then more civil rights are now stripped because of a movie downloader which is really dangerous… all because it would cost the average american money…wrong ….Piracy generates money for the US… but they don’t want you to know… it would kill their oppertunity to get control of information…. and we all learned at school… that information is the real power……

  • Guest

    For many sheeple it might sound crazy but New World Order is coming. This is just the beginning…

    • Godarklight

      Just a tad overkill, but it’s working for them.

      Also, I just couldn’t help myself…
      http://xkcd.com/1013/

  • Cavelord

    New Zealand’s police/terrrorist force were just doing their jobs; man, this would have been fun: kicking in doors, frisking Philipino nannies, tearing up dumb waiters and riding in a helicopter to get there….breaking shit while your “john” is looking through his peephole at you from his safe room. Most the time you have guys shooting back at you, so all in all, this was a good night for the terrorist task force. As for Dotcom…should have put in an escape train or even a pedestrian tunnel….oh yeah, self destruct sequence activated!

    • Guest

      Nazis were just doing their jobs too.

      • Guest

        Quite right. Anyone who says different should be shot.

        • OMGWTFBBQ

          You should all be shot for plagiarism! Someone else has had those thoughts before you. So they don’t belong to you. I don’t care that you think it is unfair just because they were born a couple of years before you.

    • Boltie

      This could have easily been a different story. One wrong move from one of them and they could have been killed. Unlikely, but the risk was there. It was totally unnecessary. Bad show NZ!

    • Yeeeeeeee

      They were not doing their jobs. They could have layed down arms the moment they realized their target. Good police do this. These idiots in NZ like elsewhere would have shot KD dead if they had been asked. They are brainless people who deserve to be in jail.

      • Foxhound67

        Actually you are incorrect. Anti terrorist groups are generally bright & taught to think for themselves. The problem you have is in situations like this, what information they are given.

        If the brief is terrorist cell(& it doesn’t matter if women or kids are involved as all will be used by terrorists-harsh but true. will explain in a moment) then the best way to enter into a situation to preserve your life & those of who it is your duty to protect is to treat everyone as a suspect.

        Now the writer of this article looses credability rihgt away when they get several facts (like name of our military special forces) wrong.

        As to my earlier point. I am ex army & we trained with anti terrorist groups but you don’t have to do that to look at history to see how dangerous things can be for the groups going in.

        for example Vietnam as one veteran told us. first 8 months were great working with villages to build new homes(he was involved in that & not the fighting) but then the Americans showed up & after that day you had to shoot at the kids to keep them back as they tended to have grenades. It broke him.

        I have heard the same from South Africans. when first out watch the kids right up until the first time one throws a grenade & kills their mates then its shoot to keep them away.

        Worked security in Iraq & saw a 12 year old practicing to fire a pistol & in afghanistan 6 year olds have been used as suicide bombers.

        In fact whilst in Iraq it was discovered there was a website to sign up to be a suicide bomber. First week 40,000 enquiries, 30,000 applications of which over half where said to be women or boys 16 or under.

        So like many of the young Americans we saw over there just shooting out of fear, what do you think it would be like for a cop entereing that premises if they were briefed it was a terrorist cell. Phillipinos would add weight due to JI activities in that country.

        That it was either poor intel or a set up is neither here nor there.

        Rule one of anti terrorist operations is you treat everyone(including any hostages) as a terrorist until afterwards when each is cleared one by one. If you are nice at anytime before that then you could be dead.

        Only a moron would lower their weapons no matter what they see in front of them when briefing is terrorist cell.

        • Jaydavidof

          You should relax a bit

  • Rosendo

    My opinion is that Rapidshare was not overthrown by piracy but more for something that went through this site I think it would be great and important secret documents as he had last month I think it was about Russians disvarsados ??and taking secret documents of the parents.

  • Anonymous

    and law enforcement accuse other people of being terrorists? seems to me they are looking too far from home! whoever orchestrated this raid needs to do some serious jail time them self! 70+ armed police to go after half a dozen non-violent, supposed copyright infringers? what an absolute disgrace!

    • Yeeeeeeee

      Not only that, but these police would have shot him dead if they had been asked. The current state of the world is you are one or two words away from being shot dead by police in your “free”, “democratic” country.

  • Rekrul

    Didn’t you know? It’s now standard practice to smash down the door and send in guys armed with assault rifles, no matter what the crime. Some guy hacks into a bank? Send a SWAT team! Someone shares some child porn? Send a SWAT team! Copyright infringement? Send a SWAT team!

    • Kr0nZ

      Jay walking?
      SWAT TEAM!!!

      don’t have your dog on a leash?
      SWAT TEAM!!!

      Don’t pick up your dogs poop?
      forget Swat team, straight to gitmo for you!!

    • Me

      switch your computer on, it connects automatically to the internet and because of some spyware to a botnet, Bang. door gets kicked in and your wife turns around from the sink whle she is cutting the beefsteaks, bang wife and mother from a 1, 3 and 5 year old dies on the spot for totally nothing.

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  • Ken Dando

    Those police are bunch of pussies..lol little girly boys with guns knock-en down a house of a web site owner… pussies lol

  • Andrew

    All these Tax Dollars, and still the Kiwis havent reinforced the Pike River Mine

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  • Dredd

    Just like one of those dystopian parody scenarios. Only real.

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  • Anonymous

    While I couldn’t care less about the allegations of commercial copyright infringing (profiteering from piracy) I think the measures leading up to the arrest of Mr. Dotcom are grossly excessive.

    Will anything change in the end? No.
    Sites come and go but the war on copyright continues.

  • Zalgo

    Justice has been done. How could they make us listen to that annoying mega song.

  • Anon

    As long as freetards refuse to pay and use tech and stealth to steal digital files, this will go on. As long as people create technical means to make cash off other’s peoples work without permission or payment, this will go on. And as long as pirates demand “free speech” as the philosophical underpinning to try to bring the global digital IP economy to it’s knees by copying the products without paying for them, this will only get worse and worse. Rightsholders are never going to let you have this. Politicians need this economy to underwrite budgets. Keep trying to tear the system down and the stakes go a lot higher. There is no ceiling to the outrage of artists and rightsholders being ripped off by pirates and the Kim DotCom’s of the world. You’d better stop or be bringing guns soon.

    Because law enforcement is bringing them now.

    • Goest

      you may be ready and willing to pay, but not be allowed to!

      Who provides files of many various size scaled for different use (computer screen or large LCD screen)? pirates.

      Who provides files without the hassle of drm? pirates.

      Who helps in choosing material that helps improve one’s culture? pirates (the pirates forums are in no comparison better than whatever store u may think of)?…

      who helps me find great movies that are blocked from being distributed by financial IP holders? Pirates…

      and the list can go on forever.

      no, believe me, one may be happy to pay a pirate, because at least the latter provides value to the consumer, and also respects him or her rather than treating him/her as a potential thief!

    • Rohe

      You are right. But with SOPA and PIPA in the crappers, the ones who make money with servers, routers, computer, websites, shops etc. woke up. The shytestorm against some minuscule media cartell just had begun. Apple alone has enough money to buy off 50% of hollyweird – and still has 50billion left.

      With ACTA proceeds currently stopped in East Europe and more political pressure by big IT companies, the political weaseling has already started. Its a fascinating time and we have seen only the tip of the iceberg.

      Yeah, they will never stop. But hey, they have to try it. In a free society, you have to accept any “legal” stupidity by anyone. There are allowed to participate in the Darwin Awards any year. This is also true for industries.

    • http://joshesforchange.wordpress.com/ Josh C

      I really want to castrate you right now (assuming you’re a dude, because there are no females on internet), so you can’t pass your idiotic bias onto a new generation of victims. Bro, the dude ran a website where you can upload data onto a server where you have the *potential* to share. Sending in a SWAT team to smash the guy’s house up was not only overkill, but such a waste that it sickens me.

    • Guest

      “Politicians need this economy to underwrite budgets”

      Piracy doesn’t threaten this or any other economy. You are, as always, a lying copyright industry shill bag of shit.

      Study finds pirates 10 times more likely to buy music:
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music

      Another study finds pirates buy more music, spend £30 more per year on it than non-pirates:
      http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-research-p2p-filesharing-no-barrier-to-music-sales/

      Swiss Government Study Finds Internet Downloads Increase Sales, pirates spend more money on music, television, and video games than non-pirates do:
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/12/05/swiss-government-study-finds-internet-downloads-increase-sales/

      Movie industry buries report proving pirates are great consumers:
      http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera/movie-industry-bins-report-proving-pirates-are-great-consumers-20110720/

      Anime piracy and streaming found to increase DVD sales in Japan
      http://www.geek.com/articles/news/anime-piracy-and-streaming-found-to-increase-dvd-sales-in-japan-2011027/

      Credit to Dex for compiling the links.

      “And as long as pirates demand “free speech” as the philosophical underpinning to try to bring the global digital IP economy to it’s knees ”

      How are pirates supposed to bring the global digital IP economy to its knees when pirates are its best customers?

      ANON = FAIL.

      “Because law enforcement is bringing them now.”

      Bitch, please. Take your FUD elsewhere. Law enforcement did what they always do in regards to piracy: every couple of years, make some big show of force like shutting down Napster or raiding TPB in an attempt to make millions of people stop filesharing out of fear.

      SPOILER: It doesn’t work. Terrorism vs. Piracy is a battle that terrorism just can’t win. History has proven the utter shit out of this.

    • Me

      very beautifull and colorfull fairytale you make up here, don’t you know by now that piracy made the entertainment industry making MORE profit than without the piracy…. guess your knowledge does not go further than the green printed papers that arrive in your wallet for telling these fairytales.

    • Guest

      When Andrew Crossley and Evan Stone – individuals that consistently troll and trivialise the justice system – are brought down with a similar magnitude of brouhaha, then maybe we’ll take you seriously.

      Why aren’t you crying rivers for them, eh?

    • Yeeeeeeeee

      Copyright infringement will bring economies to their knees? You are a complete idiot. To all observers the Anon poster here is a perfect example of whom you elect. Someone living off your tax money and trying to kill you at every opportunity.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      “There is no ceiling to the outrage of artists and rightsholders”

      I’m not going to get into the question of whether the artists as a group is outraged; we all know that they’re not. I’m not going to get into the question of whether the outraged “rightsholders” (ie studios and labels) are the true leeches; we all know that they are.

      Instead, I’m going to talk about lemmings. Have you heard of them? They are these tiny fur balls living in the Norwegian mountains. Just a tad bigger than mice, and extremely cute. You wouldn’t want to touch one, though. Internationally, they’re most famous for their behavior during lemming rich years, when huge numbers of them may walk off a cliff or into a river, or commit some other mass-suicidal folly. However, in Norway, they’re mostly known for their ferocious anger.

      If you come across a lemming, it won’t run away, nor will it hide. Instead, it’ll call you out to fight. It’ll hiss, spit and make tiny charges toward your shoes. It’ll stare you right in the eye, albeit at a steep angle. If you don’t back down, it’ll just keep getting angrier and angrier. There is no ceiling to the outrage of a lemming. Eventually, if you neither walk away or step on it, the stress level will get higher than the lemmings physique can tolerate, and it’ll die from heart failure.

      This actually works for the lemmings. Reindeer, hares and such will walk away, and once close enough to be confronted, a predator would kill them regardless. Only people will stay in amusement, and the odds of getting on close range to a human are small.

      That’s not to say that it’s a good idea for people to emulate the lemming. For any self aware being, it’s a grim fate, to die in the grip of an apoplectic attack, frothing at the mouth, hissing and screaming, all the while with people pointing and laughing at your silly self.

      Why you’re so worried about “the global digital IP economy”, I have no idea. It’s doing very well, thanks to the technology of sharing, and it’s welcome to it! The Net was created so that it’s creators could share their information freely. Stay true to that ideal, and you’ll always be welcomed to the Net by us old time nerds. Get in the way of it, and we’ll get uncivilized.

      More importantly: The technology of sharing has given voice to people who needed to be heard, and information to people who needed to know. It has made censorship impossible. This is infinitely more important than any degree of profit. Get in the way of it, and we’ll rip you to shreds. We’ll go to war. We’ll destroy you.

      The technology of sharing has changed the playing field. Thanks to it, you no longer need to be a giant corporation in order to have the most effective technology. All you need is skill and an Internet connection. We have both!

  • libra

    The authorities there like here in the U.S. have nothing else to do so they act like this whenever did get the chance.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      Copyright infringement… Serious Business.

    • Yeeeeeeeeeeeeee

      This is why politicians who are for small government are necessary. He protects taxpayers money by not taking it and giving it to police leaches.

      • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

        Yes, “politicians who are for small government” are also famous for their great skepticism towards violence in law enforcement, their nuanced views on crime, and their strong emphasis on the rights of the accused. In their book, the big hero in every court of law is the defense attorney, while prosecutors and testifying police officers are viewed with critical eyes!

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  • i am the guy

    What’s interesting is that you’d never see an adversarial, skeptical news report on police or prosecutor behavior on US television like this. Kudos to the Kiwis for their journalism at least, if not their law enforcement.

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  • Tonybalony44

    well he did have a shotgun

    • Me

      In US are almost more guns than people..

      • Say What

        He was a German citizen living in New Zealand.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

      Yes, and we’ll all have to agree that to the degree that duck hunting and/or skeet shooting equals terrorism, this police operation was proper. So, we know that the outermost fanatical fringe of militant vegans are siding with the police on this (though probably on very little else).

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  • Jep

    Why is this not an NZ political scandal anyway?

  • MC

    That NZ news segment is incredible. You can tell the respondent is pretty much as baffled by the severity of the raid as the bodyguard.

    Its like Cops meets Cribs………

    The truth about this is, this excessive raid was very deliberately set up by US authorities, at the behest of hollywood and the labels, as an overwhelming show of force to put the shits up all the other file hosters (and it worked). NZ cops were turned into corporate mercs for foreign companies, all paid for by the NZ taxpayer. The people of NZ need to realise that and hard questions need to be asked about how this all went down.

  • Mwhahaha

    Meh, this is just procedural detail. Don’t blame the people who carry out the wishes of the few for a monthly paycheck.

    Have less and less sympathy for this non-caring sharer. He’s basically the dodgy guy on the street who would have been selling you dodgy VHS copies out of a suitcase 15 years ago. Most likely with a dog tied to a piece of string.

    Anyone supporting this money grabbing idiot really isn’t getting what the important stuff here is.

    • Anon

      The people carrying the guns are the most guilty. If they had a shred of morality, they wouldn’t be police.

    • Yeeeeeeee

      This is not a procedural detail. The contradiction shows that the government are doing the bidding of an exterior government without question. The police taking their “paycheck” are no different than nazi secret police in that they would shoot you or any NZ dead without a second thought. They are scum by their very behavior and definition.

  • Anonymous

    It only took 30-40 Navy SEALS to take out Bin Laden. And they were in and out in 40 minutes. That’s after the hit, securing the place, gathering intel and skipping out.

    Granted, Kim Dotcom and Bin Laden are on the same level. Both are major terrorists. Both planned over decades to take out the United States. Both repeatedly attacked civilian and military targets in the US and abroad, killing thousands. Am I making sense? Nope? Didn’t think so. BUT Someone equated Kim Dotcom to Bin Laden, twice over. Twice as much firepower…. twice as many men….. makes ya wonder.

    I thought the New Zealand special forces were something to recon with. Afterall, they cloned one to take over the empire. (roll with it folks….Temuera Morrison)

  • http://twitter.com/zionosphere jonah

    What could be more terrifying than some bloke threatening your outdated business model? And if he had accidentally been shot, oh well: boys will be boys.

    Nice that one took time out of his day to let that nanny know that she is the bomb, though.

  • anon

    Man NZ is really licking America official’s ass…

  • DOTCOMTAKEDOWN

    Request by: DOJ
    Execution style of the raid: FBI
    Minions to carry out the raid: NZ Police Force / STG (Super Thick Guys)
    Worldwide Publicity: NZ

    Will this improve tourism? Probably not.
    What does this show? NZ bends for DOJ/US Enforcement Agencies and sucks their pretty dick in return for: Nothing.

    Thanks NZ and Fuck You A…ca… Sorry I can’t say the full word just in case the NSA is monitoring disq.us and won’t let me into the country because I tweeted about this as well.

    • Laurent

      “Thanks NZ and Fuck You A…ca… Sorry I can’t say the full word just in case the NSA is monitoring disq.us”

      Of course they are monitoring disq.us they are also monitoring our phone conversation like in the good old days of the soviet union.

      Of course in the US this is a serious crime but these Nazi does not give a shit about the law, the constitution or our republic.

      Ok now I am going to trigger their system:

      Bomb, September 11, Ben Laden, El-Quada, El Quada, Bin Ladin, Infidel, Islam, good willing, terrorist, terror, enemy of Islam, world trad center, Death to America, (It is painful for me to write this because I am an American so are my family, friends and neighbors that I love very much indeed. but hey this is BS alright), weapon of mass destruction, dirty bomb, kid radio controlled airplanes toys. . ., (Heu I mean:) drones, White house. . . . old foggy terrorist, Iraq, Afghanistan. . . .

      That’s should be enough.

      I also know that you have INFILTRATED disq.us. torrent freak posters beware! These human garbage might try to infect you system.

      Now that you are reading this NSA criminals, I have a message for you:

      FUCK YOU!

      YOU ARE A PACK OF CRIMINALS AND SOONER OR LATER WE THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA WE ARE GOING TO CATCHUP WITH YOU!

      You see all these FEMA camps you built to put us in?

      IT IS FOR YOU!

      NOW TRY TO FIND ME ASSHOLES!

      • YouKnow

        He the word bomb would have been enough, just see what they do with the words THERMO NUCLEAR DEVICE, they might actually raid disq.us and take the servers with them for investigation. woehahaha

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  • Anon

    Why don’t these military thugs break down the doors of all the corrupt bankers, politicians, and business-leaders? They are the true criminals.

    • Guest

      Who’s gonna pay the military thugs if they go and arrest their bosses?

      • Yeeeeeeeee

        Taxpayers

    • Yeeeeeeeeeeee

      In the mid 1990s, France bombed a boat in a port and killed someone. A terrorist act. NZ did not respond to this murder or terrorism like this.

  • Mega

    Its not a Mega Conspiracy against Kim DotCom

    its a Mega Conspiracy against US Justice – FBI and Hollywood

    USA you have done your dash – The World is turning

    Time for a New Internet

    • Yeeeeeeeee

      It’s not a conspiracy against US Justice. The US DoJ ordered this. Don’t be so stupid please. It is a conspiracy by the US Department of Justice itself.

  • Masa

    Perhaps it is time to Finland, Germany and EU to show some protection against insanity of USA lobbying.
    Simple temporary Diplomatic Immunity might just do a trick…

    • Really

      Oh really? How do you call MAFIAA dick sucking by EU if not insanity? Love?

      Perhaps EU could show some balls and stand against MAFIAA instead of bowing to their every demand.

  • LR

    When will the world wake up and cut all ties with the US. They are the epitome of corruption and collective insanity.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      All of us? No. Our government? Hell yes when it comes to these issues.

    • Really

      When will you wake up and look at corruption in europe? You think it’s only in US? Get off US shade, your hatred toward them clouds your little brain.

      • Yeeeeeeeeee

        This wouldn’t be happening if the USA wasn’t so corrupt. Americans have to admit this.

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  • Thag

    i know it’s the USA fault but come on all these countries need to take a stand and tell THEIR government to quit backing down to USA demands… the US will continue to wage this war and will push it as far as the other nations will let it go

    • Really

      It’s not US that makes decisions in europe, It’s corrupted evil governments there. US is just convenient to have someone to blame for.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UJ4XRIA3A3E6MYGK755EGWLN4Q Dani A

        when did NZ become part of europe?

        • Really

          It’s a general discussion for adults. Little boys should stay on Nickolodeon website

      • YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

        The USA is the only country that is so aggressive toward other countries. The USA is the only country that has dropped a nuclear bomb as a weapon against another. There is a pattern here that is fundamental to Americans and their stupidity and evil nature.

  • Gae

    I just hope he gets freed. Then I will laugh at all the money Chris Dodd and friends have spent on bribes that all ammounted to nothing but a failed attempt to pass SOPA along with a big bunch of negative publicity and megaupload back online!

    Sadly I have zero confidence in the US justice system to deal with cases like this fairly.

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  • Old Scener

    Please never forget Kim Dotcom is KIMBLE. He worked with the police to bust people in the early 90′s and was the most HATED scene person of the time. He went on TV and showed off other peoples work as his own, including methods of phreaking. He is a LAMER and although the method in which he was arrested is over the top, I do say “KARMA IS A BITCH”.

    This guy was an asshole before a lot of you were born!

    • http://www.kleemi.com Bruce Wayne

      hmmmm. a lot of “world leaders” have done far worse….dont seem to see any bad karam rolling their way ……

    • Yeeeeeeeeeee

      Well no one cares if he goes down. If he really did this he can go fuck himself. The problem is the legal precendent. It will soon be normal to use anti-terrorism laws and taxpayer funded leaches to oppress citizens for corporatism.

  • Fionaradha

    This is embarrassing and and I’m an American. American and New Zealand governments should be fined and sued but we all know that won’t happen. Will be interesting to see how the governments can justify this in court.

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  • Mitch

    Yep thats what its come to… Lets get the Anti Terrorist Special Group to take down a nerd with computers as weapons…. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

  • Bastetx

    Hello from NZ,
    What scares me in this whole sorry scenario is 1. People from another country pushed a button and a person , resident of my country is arrested and detained for reasons unknown 2. Dotcoms business is shutdown before we’ve had the trial to prove his guilt or did I miss something? 3. I didnt know we had special copyright police and 2 helicopters in Auckland. George Orwell would have been proud

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      These aren’t ‘special copyright police’. This is the elite TERRORISM police, who are probably quite ticked off that they were used in this manner.

      • Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

        What do they expect? The terrorism police are really just militarized police to be used for any purpose at all against the people. They will actively shoot any NZ citizen dead if commanded. They know this and have no morality because of it.

    • Yeeeeeeeeeeeee

      How about you contact the New Zealand government and do something about this. Elect pro-freedom candidates. NOW.

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      • Stopcensoring

        Hey You! you fucking sensor! I want to see what he wrote!

        • Anonymous

          Censor, not sensor. Also, watch the language…

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  • J3M

    There’s a few simple reasons why Hollyweird & the industry refuses to embrace online sharing & it’s not only to maintain fierce control of their so called rites to repackage & resell their (*aherm) products? to squeeze every possible cent from it, it’s also to be able to continue to export their brain washing, hysteria & advertising laden pre packaged dumbing down material that poisons every other culture it reaches, the likes of whom may ordinarily & of their own free will have no interest in the so called star celebrities like Britney & Bieber, these are the freaks who become idols to our Children in the name of Corporate might & greed & they are rammed down everyones throats whether you like it or not, but what’s even funnier is that the Britneys & Biebers & the Jolies & the Pitts of this world actually think they are special, gifted & talented human beings based on their popularity, fame, wealth & (*aherm) success?

    But this is what the U.S does best, while exporting it’s pre packaged dumbing down population controlling media propaganda out the front door it gets busy invading your country round the back door, it’s an assault on the senses in every way imaginable but thanks to the Internet WE are finding ways to censor it, & this they do not take a liking to.

  • Rhem G Munro

    The whole stopping illegal downloads is about big corporate money, and some of those senator get paided too well. Ok so I’ve found the deepest level of the internet, and its not pretty. Theres a whole internet protocol that is hidden. Meaning pretty near untraceable too anyone, FBI included, because doesn’t use complete IP addresses. Some of you know the system i’m talking about, there are two. This internet is isolated and been implemented because of what the governments are doing. ie the US, against “free-speech”, pipa sipa etc. Now tell me the lesser of the evils downloading an illegal albums or a tv-series or childporn. Because under this system now tracking down the pedo is near impossible. Your all tard’s, catch real criminals.

    • Really

      Taking down a pedo is one thing. Giving full rights to take a website with a snap of a finger because you don’t like it is another story. That’s hat it comes to with PIPA. With media controlled by certain groups, internet is the last instance of free speech.

      • Guest

        No. Pedos should not be used as currency by you evil pricks. I don’t care what you say, but arresting people for looking at images is fucking insane and disproportionate to begin with. Throwing someone else under a bus so you can feel like law abiding citizens is an outrage of selfishness.

        • Gae

          um… are you supporting pedos? You say filesharers are evil, but you think it disproportionate to arrest people who abuse children?

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  • Djxedxd

    Lmfao … Hey look this guy killed someone …wait we were sent out for this ? Let him go I know a guy down the block that has an illegal Abba song on his ipod “SEND IN THE SWAT TEAM”

  • Really

    They were armed with floppy disks to defend themselves at all cost. Thus the
    anti-terrorist forces.
    Those floppy disk terrorists, you never know…
    They had airspray too to take down anything on their way

  • Micahwins

    Copyright. Baha. As long as the Internet is around I and anyone else can get absolutely anything for free. Anything. One big friend falls and probably won’t get up, so what. Two little friends are as good as a big one. The only true way to beat pirating is to offer us something the pirates don’t… Like steam or iTunes. You must always one up the pirates.

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  • Tonyj

    Kim Dotcom is going to walk. He is going straight to Germany. And it is the FBI and the Justice Dept. fault because of their heavy handed tactic to send a message which is going to backfire in the NZ court. Instead of persuading Dotcom to come to the U.S. through legal and conservative methods, they scarred him away, because he knows he will never get a fair trial in the U.S.

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  • NZ Guest

    “3 News” not “3Newz” and “Special Air Service” (SAS) not “Special Air Force” (SAF?).

    Minor I know.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chascoxjr Charlie Cox

    So they consider file sharing a terrorist act now? Funny how they apply that label these days!

    • Tony

      Why not? They stick that label on anything anti-gov these days, it’s beginning to lose it’s shine if you ask me. Whenever I see the word terrorist nowdays i take a quick look to see if some poor bastard standing up for his rights has been demonised.

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  • ashamedtobekiwi

    they are talking it up, the new zealand cops down here are about as bright as a light bulb turned off and the armed police units and anti terrorist units could not hit the side of a barn if they were standing 3 feet away from it. the fact they wasted all this money on such a little crime when there are rapes and murders that go unsolved is the real insult to NZ taxpayers. the system is screwed down here, too many sheep f**kers in power. and a government that wants to take in in the ass from the USA. though the opposition would have told the USA to go wack off if they were in power. one side loves the US the other side hates it.

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  • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

    So, “Special Tactics Group”… I take it that “special tactics” is somewhat akin to “special education”? Something followed only by people who are, ahem, “special”?

    Now, to get serious: This was terrorism.

    STG wasn’t used because they were particularly qualified to carry out this arrest properly. In fact, they weren’t qualified at all for that. A quiet, civilized arrest would’ve been carried out much faster, with less collateral damage. A knock on the door wouldn’t have given the “suspect” any warning or reason to hide, but someone knocking the door down immediately triggers any and all planned defensive responses. If they suspected that Dotcom would destroy evidence, this was a lousy plan.

    The only possible conclusion is that they knew that there was no risk of evidence being destroyed (which was obvious for a number of reasons), and that they didn’t intend to carry out a proper arrest. They intended to create a messy, terrifying, destructive ordeal for the residents of the house. They intended to cause terror. Worse, they willfully targeted that terror on children and other innocent civilians.

    The officers of STG who took part in this operation are morally guilty of child abuse and terrorism. “Just following orders” doesn’t work as a defense for such moral crimes. Rather than persecute them, as it should, the law will probably protect them. If the people of New Zealand has a moral backbone, that doesn’t have to be the case. International law is very clear that some orders are criminal and not to be followed; this takes priority over national law. Demand justice!

    The greatest guilt is always on those who gave the orders. They’re probably even better insulated against consequences of their crime, but there’s no such thing as isolation from the will of the people. Demand justice!

  • Crowbar

    New clip from the same journalist – He further asks the question – WTF is going on here.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Dotcom-in-jail-assets-frozen-possessions-taken-claiming-innocence/tabid/367/articleID/242317/Default.aspx

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  • http://twitter.com/SisterSebaceous Timmy

    These authoritarian retards treat everyone as a terrorist for every imaginable crime or misdemeanor, even before anything’s been proven in court. That’s the new police culture. Not just guilty until proven innocent, but a TERRORIST until proven innocent. Oh, and by the way, it you hire a competent lawyer, they force him off the case, so you have no defense.
    There are no longer any Western democracies left who have not been corrupted to the point of abandoning all concept of liberty and justice.

    Democracy is dead. All that is left is corporate-driven authoritarianism.

  • Foxhound67

    A lot of wrong informaiton & wrong assumptions on here.

    First as I said In reply to Yeeee few days ago STG or any anti terrorist unit is made up of bright people who are able to think for themselves.

    However if they are briefed that this is a terrorist operation then they have to treat everyone as a terrorist until they can be cleared(even hostages) its standard SOP due to the stockhoom syndrome & history of terrorists hiding amongst hostages or innocents(Hostage rescue of Iranian Embassy is one example where this was attempted)..

    People also misunstand what defines a terrorist. There are over 50 different definitions & you want to read one from the UN. If you can wok out what a terrorist is after that you are doing real well.

    In the US one definition is Organized crime so here in NZ that would include all gangs.

    Another definition came out in the last few days from the FBI which classes me as a terrorist because I believe we should return to a Gold standard. Up until that staement the new description was describing the banks/central banks, then it threw in the part about Gold(even though almost all central banks are buying gold like it is going out of fashion in preparation for the global financial collapse) they just aren’t openly promoting a gold standard.

    That means they have just designated Ron Paul as a Terrorist.

    It would appear dotcom could very well be innocent, but again if STG(they would only be used if information received pointed to danger or terrorism in this way) is briefed that it is a likely terrorist target that is how they have to treat it.

    so you have to seperate the two.

    Is it a trumped up charge. possibly & hopefully the courts can deal with that.

    Are STG wrong in the way they entered. No if their brief(& quoted question to nanny points to what they have been briefed) is terrorist cell then you have to go in ready.

    If you do your homework as I have had too for my profession(security) there are suspected a number of potential suicide bombers in NZ & one to my mind who is(having meet them) one.

    Those who are fanatical enough to do that are not beyond using anybody or anyone & police entering what they believe to be a terrorist cell must be mentally prepared.

    Someone said this is not democracy. Actually it is, or at least how democracy functions in todays world. For a democracy to function there have to be people prepared to do the things, how ever offensive, that the majority do not want to know about.

    This is up front out in the open. they wouldn’t of done that if they thought otherwise.

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    ACTUALLY what disgusts me the most is the fact that people.. or should i say sheaple, do not do anything in support, after all he did for us. we should riot everyday goverments would have no option but to free dotcom and not charge him. on the contrary they should pay for the damages they done.

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