Fearless Digital Pirates Don’t Care About Lawsuits
Written by enigmax on October 13, 2007The year 2005 saw the first person sentenced to prison for sharing a movie. In 2007, the possibility of being fined huge amounts became a reality as a music sharer snared by the RIAA picks up a $222,000 bill. So presumably file-sharers are in hiding? Hardly. This fearless internet breed never stops sharing.
Once it became clear that the ‘Grokster Decision’ was actually a win for file-sharing and not the golden bullet against sharers that the industry had hoped for, it became increasingly clear – sharing was simply not going to go away. Today, if one visits the Grokster site, you’re greeted by this message:
There are legal services for downloading music and movies.
This service is not one of them.YOUR IP ADDRESS IS 83.233.168.134 AND HAS BEEN LOGGED.
Don’t think you can’t get caught. You are not anonymous.
Apart from the fact that I am anonymous (the IP is owned by the anonymous Relakks service), this message is typical of the type of useless scare tactics employed by the industry. Time and again the message is “Don’t think you can’t get caught” and “You are not anonymous” or “You can click but you can’t hide”
Millions upon millions of file sharers are responding to these slogans, not with words, but with actions. They ARE clicking and the vast majority simply don’t care about hiding. It’s true that when you use a standard connection on the internet you aren’t anonymous and of course, it’s certainly possible to ‘get caught’. However, as ever more serious headline-grabbing events come and go, file-sharers are getting wise and making their own risk assessments, probably based on: “I’m clicking every day, they never find me. Or any of my friends. Or their friends.”
When Scott McCausland and a handful of other people went to jail for uploading a pre-release movie in 2005, the industry put out the message: You will go to jail for sharing. Well, it’s 2007 now and surprise, surprise – no one else did. It was a special case, it doesn’t apply to 99.99% of file-sharers and it’s useless in the battle against them.
Today in 2007, we hear about Jammie Thomas, the most famous of the 26,000 recipients of legal action at the hands of the RIAA. Sure, she really got hammered with that huge fine and it will deter some from sharing, but the overwhelming majority either haven’t heard about the case or don’t think they’ll be caught – and they could be forgiven for thinking that.
Even if we super over-compensate and say that 100,000 people worldwide had legal action taken against them (it’s nowhere near), this number pales into insignificance when put alongside the conservative estimate of 100 million worldwide file-sharers. Furthermore, take away the legal actions in the United States and the chances of being ‘caught’ edge ever closer to zero. The odds of being ‘caught’ in the rest of the world aren’t quite zero but they’re substantially slimmer than in the States.
Whatever the reality, it’s the perception that really matters and the perception among file-sharers is that while they’re downloading the latest blockbuster movies or millions of TV shows every single week, the chances of being ‘caught’ are close to zero. Therefore the chances of paying a ‘fine’ are close to zero and the chance of going to jail, closer still.
So maybe digital pirates aren’t fearless, brave or even reckless. Maybe they just like to gamble when the odds are hugely – massively – tipped in their favor.
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106 Responses
nice report
so if we clicked on that link our IP’s are really logged? :S
yay, well said!
[quote]so if we clicked on that link our IP’s are really logged? :S[/quote]
People are so scared of getting their IP logged for going to a site or something. It’s like the people thinking that an ebay auction selling anti-piracy technology was just to get the IP of buyers, despite the fact that buying anti-piracy technology on ebay is not illegal.
They can not prosecute you for going to the grokster site.
interesting i like my odds
Great read Enigmax! I remember the old days when I used to download a ton of songs off Napster. I have to admit I am a bit more cautious these days when downloading. There are days in which I wish I lived in Europe and not in the states.
But you are right, it’s not enough to keep me off of downloading.
Amen.
Also, every single site you visit “logs” your ip. It’s just intimidation.
[quote comment="186629"]Amen.
Also, every single site you visit “logs” your ip. It’s just intimidation.[/quote]
Yap ! I Knew That Too .. And Once I Visited Edonkey site (to Download the client ) .. .And I saw .. My IP was Blah .. It was logged Blah .. Piracy is Bad Blah Blah …
I just dont care !
LimeWire/FrostWire, Mininova , piratebay and isohunt …. these are enough for me ..
:)
Indeed, I’ll continue to share as always.
If anything, the lawsuits has just made me angry, and more eager to share their material.
yeah, yeah ips are logged and logs are deleted,
or did you buy that large expensive hdd to store logs?
13yearoldwrote
Yap ! I Knew That Too .. And Once I Visited Edonkey site (to Download the client ) .. .And I saw .. My IP was Blah .. It was logged Blah .. Piracy is Bad Blah Blah …
I just dont care !
LimeWire/FrostWire, Mininova , piratebay and isohunt …. these are enough for me ..
uhh, you do realize that the faggot RIAA closed down isohunt, right?
Good article and all, but the more and more I see articles like this, the more and more it seems that you’re trying to convine yourself, and others out there that we shouldn’t be scared, instead of stating a fact.
Anyone want to go in on playing the lotto? We have better chances of winning then we do getting prosecuted. Ither way… I believe that should the anti-piracy lobbies get by some strange luck to sue all 100million+ file sharers that it would bring a huge uprising against the governments causing global chaos…
(hopes and wishes for chaos)
When MPAA and RIAA sends over 100 million people to jail, you won’t be so fearless, would you? Just you wait…
lol. They wouldn’t possibly send 100 million people to jail. That would cause massive revolution.
On second thought let them, we need a revolution.
Revolution is definitively needed!
MAFIAA (Music And Film Industry Association of America) has already started a project of building a super-prison on Titan, one of the Saturn’s moons. Why do you think NASA sent Cassini-Huygens? And, according to the latest events, they’ve established a jurisprudence system of their own.
Today, you download. Tomorrow you’ll rot in methane mines. Just you wait…
Ok, so in the lasy 15 months, i have downloaded 3.650.65 GB’s of data,
Or 3.5 terabits of data, sue me!
please take me away from my wife and children and leave them without the neccessary means of support, because I am unable to pay the over inflated prices demanded by the CD and DVD manufacturers and the respected parent companys, Its bad enoughth that my govenment is screwing me for as much as possible, I wouldnt even hope to be able to go out and buy a CD after they are through with me, so the only way I can get current music and films( as the cinima is out of the financel realms of possibilty) is to download it. Its a risk I and many other file shares take because we have no option left RIAA, and associated partys across the world. etc etc etc
Glad to see you’re still up and fighting because I am still impressed by the design of TorrentFreak.com!
Microsoft wants me to illegally download music… In a way.
I recently learned that some of the proceeds of the Zune go to the music industries because Microsoft is aware of what their product will be used for, so not ‘illegally’ downloading music means I’m not getting the full bang for my buck.
[quote]uhh, you do realize that the faggot RIAA closed down isohunt, right?[/quote]
Closed down? Isohunt is still up and running fine.
[quote]lol. They wouldn’t possibly send 100 million people to jail. That would cause massive revolution.[/quote]
If the American government can put hundreds of thousands of non violent people in jail just for posessing or selling substances the government doesn’t like, they can put hundreds of thousands of non violent people in jail for sharing data over the internet.
isohunt was only shutdown to US visitors if I recall correctly
[quote comment="186707"]
uhh, you do realize that the faggot RIAA closed down isohunt, right?[/quote]
No, Isohunt just banned all american IP’s
So whats the life expectancy of a MPAA CEO these days?
people who haven’t experienced the use of ‘calling cards’ and 1-800 numbers to call boards world wide don’t have the right to “be afraid” of a simple msg like “your ip has been logged”..
I use torrents myself for the classic movies which can’t be found in normal mainstream outlets.. but i truly wouldn’t shed a tear when the whole p2p networks came down crumbling.
Evolution, let the strong survive.. (we have, for over 20 years)
First off, it’s not your ‘god given’ right to share music files. This is an absolute. You have the right to complain, lobby, withdraw from the market etc, but until the law is changed, you have no right to share files as per above. Once copyright law changes, you might have the right to give away other peoples IP, but today, you don’t. Accept this. Support independent music which *does* give you this right.
the above post was by me and I hit the wrong button
“Accept this.” ????
No. History has shown accepting the law doesn’t get it changed. You have to sit up the front on the bus, in their faces, not meekly take your place down the back.
You have every right to share files, it’s just illegal. Rights are intrinsic. Every human has a fundamental right to share any information as they see fit.
Here is a tip go get 1 album from the top 40 buy 50 blank cd’s copy that cd 10 20 30 40 50 times or what ever you can afford an leave copy on any campus or school shopping center and put a not on cd please copy this cd 10 20 30 40 50 times what ever you can afford and leave in a place where others can fine with the same note on it . if you want to show the RIAA or MPAA what people can realy do to hurt sales this is the way to show them hit them in there sales they will learn not to piss people off. You can’t beat money or corrupt polies money buys laws take the money from them they can’t buy laws with no money .
noobs
Who cares really, they’re fighting a loosing battle with lies stacked upon lies. This is there death rattle, there last swipe at their customers after years of ripping those customers off with over priced merchandise.
WHO REALLY CARES?
Well enigmax, as always a very nicely written article, but I have to some sort agree with #12(Anonymous). Please try to not lose sight of reality ;)
For instance, we here in Germany ARE getting caught, our IP addresses ARE recorded by so-called private anti-piracy-organizations. And unfortunately, our ISPs give out our real addresses and names to state attorneys and they pass them on to right holders resp. their lawyers
Not a few IP-adresses a year. Nope, THOUSANDS A MONTH! This is not an overstatement. Thousands of german people face legal actions a month in form of an “Abmahnung” (I don’t know the english word for it or if a similar legal action exists in other countries, it is sort of a cease & desist letter. “Pay or we go to court. Pay much!”).
Especially the music industry (IFPI) is driving an extremely aggressive “fear, uncertanty and doubt” strategy here. 50,000 people until now got letters, 5,000 more people to come each month. Yup, that’s bad, but it’s reality here.
Ok, this letter are not thousands cases in court. Compared with those about 100,000 cease&desist-letters, we had only about 20-30(?) true cases in court, yet. But the FUD strategy works, many people pay. More people stop sharing files the traditional P2P-way.
Sorry, enigmax, but the perception “they will not get ME, the chance is close to zero” has vanished at least for german filesharers. Not because we are cowards. Because we get caught. Thousands of us. This is not a capitulation, it is simply a fact and not fun anymore.
We can’t just close our eyes and try to still praise the “indestructibility” of classical P2P. Believe it or not, but especially in germany we face a major change in filesharing activities, with a trend to filehosting services. eMule, Gnutella, open BitTorrent trackers are more and more avoided. I indeed notice a change in the risk assessments of german filesharers.
And that is not because of closed trackers, closed eMule servers or whatever. It is because Germans have a major change of really getting caught. It’s bad, but it happens, it’s real.
Face reality and adopt appropriate ;)
greeting from Germany,
Hadron
[quote comment="186815"]Here is a tip go get 1 album from the top 40 buy 50 blank cd’s copy that cd 10 20 30 40 50 times or what ever you can afford an leave copy on any campus or school shopping center and put a not on cd please copy this cd 10 20 30 40 50 times what ever you can afford and leave in a place where others can fine with the same note on it . if you want to show the RIAA or MPAA what people can realy do to hurt sales this is the way to show them hit them in there sales they will learn not to piss people off. You can’t beat money or corrupt polies money buys laws take the money from them they can’t buy laws with no money .[/quote]
Have fun with that
To make it clear: About 50,000 letters from the music industry (IFPI) + thousands from the porn industry (yep, porn!) + thousands from game industry (e.g. Atari) + some hundrets from eBook and audio book sellers make those 100,000 letters I estimated above.
I guess there must be way more, I just don’t want to overstate.
So if i use 7 proxies am I logged?
[quote]First off, it’s not your ‘god given’ right to share music files. [/quote]
Yes it is my right. I am not harming anyone, I have a right to do it.
[quote comment="186815"]Here is a tip go get 1 album from the top 40 buy 50 blank cd’s copy that cd 10 20 30 40 50 times or what ever you can afford an leave copy on any campus or school shopping center and put a not on cd please copy this cd 10 20 30 40 50 times what ever you can afford and leave in a place where others can fine with the same note on it . if you want to show the RIAA or MPAA what people can realy do to hurt sales this is the way to show them hit them in there sales they will learn not to piss people off. You can’t beat money or corrupt polies money buys laws take the money from them they can’t buy laws with no money .[/quote]
I guess you didn’t get the memo from the last board meeting… everything has a price.
[quote comment="186815"]Here is a tip go get 1 album from the top 40 buy 50 blank cd’s copy that cd 10 20 30 40 50 times or what ever you can afford an leave copy on any campus or school shopping center and put a not on cd please copy this cd 10 20 30 40 50 times what ever you can afford and leave in a place where others can fine with the same note on it . if you want to show the RIAA or MPAA what people can realy do to hurt sales this is the way to show them hit them in there sales they will learn not to piss people off. You can’t beat money or corrupt polies money buys laws take the money from them they can’t buy laws with no money .[/quote]
I guess you didn’t get the memo from the last board meeting… [b][u]EVERYTHING[/u][/b] has a price.
what about the 7 proxys guys? is that the sane as findnot site “with usual ending everybody”
“”"No. History has shown accepting the law doesn’t get it changed. You have to sit up the front on the bus, in their faces, not meekly take your place down the back.
You have every right to share files, it’s just illegal. Rights are intrinsic. Every human has a fundamental right to share any information as they see fit.”"”
And to compare changing copyright law to that which was changed by sitting at the front of the bus just shows how greey filesharers are…to even dare compare validating copyright infringement with human equality rights shows exactly how cheep and out of whack your argument is.
Someone else has written and recorded the music you so love to get for free, but they do own it. How about *you* write, record, market and advertise some music which then gets freely distributed by millions of greedy little “it’s my right-ists” and then I will take you opinion seriously.
The ‘Sharing information’ argument is fine. Share that as much you want. But the fruits of someone’s hard earned talent, years of dedication and training – their intellectual property – to me still seems like something that the owner should have a right to.
If you want music, why can’t you pay for it? Why must I play for free, for you? Because you demand it is a right? I demand to sell it, as my right, and to not have ‘me generation’ kids steal it because they can.
The Corparations are mad that we can do their job for next to nothing
which im told is distributing music around the world, which is what we do for free…they are mad cause they aint getting paid, and cant afford thier $6 mill. house and their 6 cars and private jet.
The Riaa Miaa and turd sandwiches alike are a waste of money, get rid of them and how much money u think the compainies will save?
some people are getting caught, as with every current “illegal” actiivity. this is an inevibility.
we have the right to share music, movies and other stuff, whats that u say its illegal so we dont have the right? right? Wrong! lets put this into a different perspective…
i go into a grocery store and buy a loaf of bread, i walk outside and i share some of that bread with a homeless man, someone who cant afford it, am i a Criminal?
Jesus gave poor people bread with no profit to himself, does this make him a criminal? apparently it does, he did get crucified for his “crimes”.
Humanity has advanced, when it has advanced, not because it has been sober, responsible, and cautious, but because it has been playful, rebellious, and immature.
~ Tom Robbins
Morality before Legality
~ The Prophet
[quote]If you want music, why can’t you pay for it? Why must I play for free, for you? Because you demand it is a right? I demand to sell it, as my right, and to not have ‘me generation’ kids steal it because they can.[/quote]
We’re not demanding you, or anyone else, give us anything.
We are however demanding to be left alone from corporate harassment when someone buys a CD and decides to share it.
You do not own something after you have sold it. If you sell it to someone they own it and have the right to do what they want with it, whether it be share it, burn it, etc.
I don’t even remember the name of the site now, but they were one of the first few taken down. For a while their main page was a message exactly like that. When they came back they took thousands of dollars in donations to fight, and after the owned had like $15k people started asking questions. At that time the donations went the way of the Dodo and so did he.
“When MPAA and RIAA sends over 100 million people to jail, you won’t be so fearless, would you? Just you wait…”
So the MPAA and RIAA who are not Government entities, will put 1/3 of the USA population into prison for breaking laws that aren’t criminal?
If everyone goes to prison for file sharing will there be any people to purchase cd’s & movies??? I’m not an expert in macro economics could someone please explaine. thanks.
[quote comment="186921"]“When MPAA and RIAA sends over 100 million people to jail, you won’t be so fearless, would you? Just you wait…”
So the MPAA and RIAA who are not Government entities, will put 1/3 of the USA population into prison for breaking laws that aren’t criminal?[/quote]
guys they wont put 100 million people in jail,
they’ll fine them all.
even if they did that to 1/3 of them.
It could happen.
:/
@Hadron
I’m familiar with the modus operandi of the ‘pay up or else’ brigade (e.g Logistep and friends)
http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-outfits-business-model-on-life-support/
but as far as i’m aware, those that don’t cave into the bullying get left alone. I’m not aware of these cases actually getting to court in any numbers. If you have information, i’d love to hear it.
People are getting threatened in many countries across Europe but if you feel that Germany is a special case and these 50,000 threats ARE getting to court, everyone needs to hear about it – please email or contact me via the feedback form on the site with the information.
Music is to be shared. The MPAA and RIAA are not here to protect musicians. There there to protect the music industry. The not… NOT the music. Music is for the people, not to make money. Now that the internet can be used to distribute music, record companies are no longer needed. All record companies do is take advantage of the bottle neck between the musician and the listener. For their own commercial gain. Well, those days are over, and with the internet, this explotion no longer needs to occur. You may say, this effects the artists. No it doesn’t. Not having a record label allows artists to produce whatever they like, without being influenced by a company’s want of making a profit. Music FOR the people, BY the people. without being exploited by the middle man.
[quote comment="186707"]13yearoldwrote
Yap ! I Knew That Too .. And Once I Visited Edonkey site (to Download the client ) .. .And I saw .. My IP was Blah .. It was logged Blah .. Piracy is Bad Blah Blah …
I just dont care !
LimeWire/FrostWire, Mininova , piratebay and isohunt …. these are enough for me ..
uhh, you do realize that the faggot RIAA closed down isohunt, right?[/quote]
I can still access isohunt and when i read the news it said they blocked access to all US visitors ..
Im Not in US And Sorry For My English .. Im Sure There Will Be a dozen of spelling and grammar mistakes. .
IsoHunt is still accessible to users in the U.S. HOWEVER, the trackers that are run by IsoHunt are not. You can still search from the hundreds of other trackers that IsoHunt indexes, but you can’t connect to those that they control directly.
I’m from Europe (Romania, to be precise). I am never anonymous.
I have had social fobia and other illness for many years and internet has become my means of input.
I get help 2 times a week just to be able to do things, like buy food and get out of my flat.
So i could care more about smacking a fly to the wall then worry about getting cought making my life more enjoyable :D
And many flies have i smacked..
Seriously i see pirating as a equalizer, the rich artist drug addicts that spend 45mill in a few months partying (Lohan news lol) gets a mutch needed reality check, why support REAL criminals??
They dont deserve support if they need to resolve to criminal actions.
We pirates dont do anything criminal, friends share music with me and i with them.
Its absurd how that is spread by lobby organisations as being more criminal then buying and using drugs, their clients even skip jail times and punishments for their criminal actions.
WHO wants to support sutch things? sure smoking some weed aint to bad! but realy just for the sake of “criminal” pointing..
Lobby organisations and their clients are more criminals then we will ever be for sharing our property with our friends.
I support Radiohead and their idea, thats the future, their adapting to the world and not forcing world+dog to adapt to them.
I donated to their paypal and didnt even download their music, giving away money for a cause is alot easier then giving it away to have it get used for drugs by the artist or terrorism from the artists record labels lobby organisation..
If you Americans really care about these issues, you should encourage everyone you know to vote for Ron Paul for President. Don’t let his Republican affiliation fool you! He is actually a Libertarian (he ran for President as one in 1988), but third parties have zero chance of being elected in America, and coming from Texas he had a better chance running for Congress as a Republican as well. Party affiliations are just labels; the overall message of his campaign is FREEDOM in every form, from social to economic. I know many Democrats who have registered as Republicans purely to vote for Ron Paul, and will be changing back afterwards — that’s how strong his message is. Don’t be fooled by the Clinton message; dependence on Big Government to fix all your problems is NOT freedom, it is Socialism.
gestapo tactics
Arrggg……I never let them see me IP address unless me Parrot says its OK argg!!!!
Ahoy matees!
torrent freak, please try to answer me this — i’ve always been curious, if you get caught in a worst case scenario situation like jammie thomas, and are to be charged for several thousand dollars PER pirated song/movie . . . can’t you just argue that a substantial amount of the songs/movies you were involved in pirating are available for FREE at the local library?
I’ve seen literally 1000s of free movies thanks to the library free rental service, so i would think that unless the cd or movie being downloaded is relatively new, it shouldn’t even be illegal in the first place when the library also offers the files for free.
obviously when you download you get the movie or song permanently, so it’s not the same thing as a harmless week long rental for free, but i dont see why the most excessive penalty for downloading older material isn’t forcing a deletion of the file and a small fine at most.
i would appreciate it if you could give me a layered answer on how this is or isn’t the right expectations of the legal matter to have, and how close it is to the legal truth. i realize that downloading a movie that’s still in box office is pretty much a blatent crime, but other than that i think most cases shouldn’t even be illegal at all. please help me better understand the current laws and their reasonings.
thank you. keep up the good torrent reporting work!
They want to put us all in prison for downloading then I hope they are ready to copy the movie escape from LA. No prison is ever gonna be able to hold Millions.
I was wondering when TorrentFreak might write an article mentioning the shocking news about that poor single Mom file-sharer getting whacked for $222,000! They eventually came out with a good article.
I notice “Relakks” gets mentioned
here and also in the article on
how to file share anonymously.
But Relakks charges $.
Many of us would prefer FREE anonymity.
-If I use some of the many other free proxy sites instead, am I LESS safe than if I used Relakks?
[quote comment="187144"]if you get caught in a worst case scenario situation like jammie thomas, and are to be charged for several thousand dollars PER pirated song/movie . . . can’t you just argue that a substantial amount of the songs/movies you were involved in pirating are available for FREE at the local library?[/quote]
Absolutely not. It’s the unauthorized (attempted/actual) uploading/distribution of copyright works which is the problem, legally. It doesn’t really have anything to do with the availability of copyright material elsewhere.
[quote comment="187164"]I notice “Relakks” gets mentioned
here and also in the article on
how to file share anonymously.
But Relakks charges $.
Many of us would prefer FREE anonymity.
-If I use some of the many other free proxy sites instead, am I LESS safe than if I used Relakks?[/quote]
Anonymity for free is available – FAST anonymity for free, is generally not.
Most proxy sites are good for browsing other sites. However, most don’t make your sharing anonymous, especially if its a web based service.
don’t let the government use fear to control you.
You’re all a bunch of Nazis. You’re stealing, and justifying that it’s not wrong just because a lot of other people seem to be marching to the same tune.
Stop stealing. It’s immoral.
Sharing music is not analogous to killing innocent people, I hope IRL you really don’t think they are the same.
In the world of business, technology innovation changes supply and demand. Either the music companies adapt and lose their gay prices, or they can be left behind while more and more ways of sharing music are invented
karlfet (41) wrote:
> And to compare changing copyright law to that which was changed by sitting at the front of the bus just shows how greey filesharers are–to even dare compare validating copyright infringement with human equality rights shows exactly how cheep and out of whack your argument is. Someone else has written and recorded the music you so love to get for free, but they do own it. How about *you* write, record, market and advertise some music which then gets freely distributed by millions of greedy little “it’s my right-ists” and then I will take you opinion seriously.
I don’t know if this guy is serious or just yanking our chain, but he very well COULD be serious, so I’ll answer.
If you think this way, get the fuck out of music.
I write and record music, and I’m totally fine with it being shared/”pirated”. I encourage people to copy my music as much as possible. And looking around, I keep finding again and again among people who:
1) actually make music/art and KNOW what it’s like, and
2) are not entrenched, i.e. they’re not some big-shot major-label act selling 10,000 CDs a month,
that most of them feel the same way and WANT their music shared.
Anyway, the answer for you is quite simple. If something gets released (and anyone cares), people will copy and share it. Don’t like what happens to music that gets released? Don’t release music.
I won’t miss it. I suspect that you’re not that good of a musician to begin with if you have this back-asswards attitude. People voluntarily support music they actually like.
There are legal services for downloading music and movies.
This service is not one of them.
YOUR IP ADDRESS IS 209.200.19.180 AND HAS BEEN LOGGED.
Don’t think you can’t get caught. You are not anonymous.
….Well no Dude! This IP address is not mine cause I use a proxy LOL!!!
[quote]You’re all a bunch of Nazis. You’re stealing, and justifying that it’s not wrong just because a lot of other people seem to be marching to the same tune.[/quote]
The word stealing is not applicable on the internet where things are COPIED and SHARED, not stolen.
Why do you hate freedom?
F**K you rich ass FBI+RIAA, we all not even in your dump country, catch we if u can, jail we if you can even see me, catch we and we will boom your ass back to stone age, thoese jerk that you catch, is a moron in the year of 2003, we not even use stupid windows, how could you think could possible find us all?????????
Fearless Digital Pirates Don’t Care About Lawsuits because most of them are either 1) kids, and/or 2) got nothing to lose, and/or 3) intentionally want to pick a fight with the big old fat idiot
you can’t take money from someone who hasn’t got it, and most of us who don’t have it know a court cannot take what we dont have. fine me $500,000 and i will pay you $1 a week forever
and in addition to the fact i will spit on every dollar as i hand it to the cashier at the court house, it is gonna cost you more to collect because you never gonna recover your legal fees nevermind the rest
what kind of a joke is this? the most illegal thing most people ever do it speed in their car and download a mp3. the **AA is educating the people in how to disrespect the law … guys when you are in a hole stop digging! honestly i dont think they are in control of themselves
I just clicked one zillion time on the link just for fun! Oops! I clicked again! Hooo! I clicked again and again! Oops again!
Every one click on it again for fun!
They can sue me for 10$ or one zillion gazillion dollars will not make any difference.
I will not pay.
The parasites will get zip. I have nothing and they can seize nothing!
What’s a pack of Morons!
I am a professional DJ and I was browsing torrent websites when I found, to my surprise MY MUSIC on a torrent website!
I was so happy, Its great that people like my music enough to share it!
Ahh,
what would we do without the media mafias suits (law and otherwise) ?
We’d still be using Napster or FTP-like download sites.
And without all the free advertising our numbers were relatively small and so would be the content diversity.
In fact, for filesharing as a whole the lawsuits were a blessing.
There is nothing better than a hungry wolfpack to drive forward evolution.
Today we are on the brink of widespread anonymous and fast p2p networks (a BIG soutout to the media mafia) and the wolves are facing extinction.
:)
Well, a few rabbits got eaten.
That’s life.
I wouldn’t even steal content from the RIAA or MPAA anymore after the Jammie Thomas decision – forcing a single parent to pay 3-4x her annual wages? Why do people want their trash? The best way to make the RIAA and MPAA go away is to ignore them. Don’t listen to or watch their content. Get a life.
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uhh, you do realize that the faggot RIAA closed down isohunt, right?[/quote]
uhh, you do realize that no they didn’t…isohunt came back…promptly.
In response to #72 … I am glad you pussied out….Stop listening to the radio also! That is stealing also! you better not be watching TV either… oh no that is stealing to ( I am technically not paying for it) … The RIAA and MPAA do not own the world and are doing a great job making the world safe for over priced shitty music and movies… i am impressed
I recently sent this letter to the CRIA, of course i got no response.
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You people live in the world of Dinosaurs. Your trying control something that has no edges. P2P will Always be here. You see, the seeds that sprung from the weeds of Napster will always be here. You prosecute websites you might as well prosecute the service providers as well, they are willing accomplishes. Of course I and the community know you dont have a legal leg to stand on.
Good luck knocking your wooden heads against the Digital door!
sharing is caring!
anyways, you cant stop a train that is this big, and moving this fast!
well said.
sharing is caring!
I just got warned by my isp and nߢ univé®sÃ¥l to stop sharing shows and to delete them…. or they charge $150,000 per offence. I’m off to the local coffee shop to ssh my way to more media!
we’ve reached the point now where it doesn’t matter what they do. it’s like pirating windows – almost no one has any idea how to do it, but they all know someone that does. the fact is that we’re to the point where everybody knows a guy who’s running gentoo on a RAID 1 and switches his ip every 5 minutes in order to keep “them” from finding out who he is. the tin-foil hats among us will always ensure that the sneakernet can do the rest.
I’ve got to get the answer to this one question. I could care less about music sharing. I could care less about the movies either. Most are just remakes of something someone with more class and ability made 20 plus years ago, before the copyright ran out (and wasn’t renewed). What I want to know is this: if it is illegal to download television shows (or cable movies) then how is TIVO legal? Or a VCR? Or my DVD burner?
And that’s not all. Almost all art imitates life, and rarely is it the other way around. Where’s my royalties for the million or so love songs about a broken heart? I’ve had one? I know many others who have as well. How do you copyright life? By the little disclaimer claiming that your story is merely a coincidence or ficticious. BS. It can’t be ficticious if it has happened.
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I read ALL of the post up to here. What object is being, “stolen?” I paid for the hard drive, computer, disk, and internet service!!! The data was not even produced by these law hounds. Yes i understand copyright concept. As I understand ALL other forms of art the copyright is only seen as invaded IF the person receives payment. For all you right that are on a moral high horse saying, “its theft,” consider the next time you use any form of communication theft. Some one used those words before you and your not paying them to use them. IE, “Love is enough to get us through.” Oh what I cant say that it was used in a song. Strike those words from Websters. Come on, the government wants to control things and technology in the hands of the masses is beyond them. Its a simple fear of what they cant control. Im old enough to remember the scare that came with tape recorders. “Oh dont copy the tape for a party mix if they catch you you will go to jail” For you record nazi reading and posting grow up and realize technology is beyond your grasp and society will rule in due time, it always has even as Rome burned.
Dont be stupid guys. just use a proxy.
Heh that the punitive damages ever came anywhere near the artists aggrieved according to RIAA is doubtful. I would consider nudging the artists to sue RIAA to recover their damages that have been denied them. Of course that’s never going to happen.
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as stated before, a musician’s goal should be to spread his music… for the sake of the music. if that musician’s dream was for fame and fortune, the music is just a vehicle to get them there.
the album itself is just a sample of what they do. if i download an album and really like their music, i’ll go to their concert. the more wide-spread and popular their music, the more likely their concerts will be sold out and their names will be known. the more known they are, the more they have opportunities for sponsorships, tv & movie deals, perfumes & colognes, bobble head dolls or whatever else they want. THAT’s how they get their millions. NOT from the cd they create.
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well maybe some things are just not affordable for everybody in this world, huh? how would you feel, of your employer would stop paying you because its "too much"?
ffs, i download myself, but where the hell do people get this offensive attitude?
and now tell me, that you, your wife and your kids are *dying* without those 8gb a day.
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