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Filmmaker: BitTorrent Pirates Help Us Get More Exposure

A few days ago the independent film “The Inner Room” ended up on BitTorrent. Where some filmmakers would see such an event as a threat, for producer Mark Diestler it’s quite the opposite. For months he had waited for pirates to pick the movie up, and now it’s out he’s seeing the film gain additional exposure. For the first time his movie has jumped into the top 250 as listed by IMDb’s movie meter.

inner roomMovie industry lobbyists such as the MPAA frequently claim that piracy is not only hurting the major studios, but also the smaller independent productions.

However, according to independant filmmaker Mark Diestler, it’s not that black and white. Last week his film “The Inner Room” ended up online, and as is so often the case thousands of people started to share the movie on BitTorrent.

Within 24 hours 5,000 people had already grabbed a copy without paying. For some filmmakers this is a nightmare scenario, but Diestler clearly disagrees as he sees all these BitTorrent downloads as a good way to gain exposure for the film that took blood, sweat and tears to make.

“I would much rather have 500,000 downloads than 5,000, although our distributor may feel differently. The worst thing that can happen to a small film, any film for that matter, is to fall into obscurity. 500,000 people could download it and hate it, but in my mind that is better than then not seeing or hearing about it all,” Diestler tells TorrentFreak.

“In the end not everyone is going to hate it, some will like it and you would hope that a lot of people would enjoy it – and even more importantly talk about it. That buzz would hopefully translate to additional sales of the film. People buy the DVD to see the bonus features or just to help support the filmmakers of a film that they really enjoyed.”

The filmmaker explains that unlike the big Hollywood productions, most of the independent films that get made have a negligible advertising budget. For these films, BitTorrent ‘piracy’ serves as promotion. Diestler has witnessed the power of BitTorrent first hand when a friend’s film blew up thanks to piracy two years ago.

“When you are a small film with zero money for advertising, BitTorrent can get your film out there and get people talking about it – that is all advertising really does anyway. It’s certainly an interesting question. Being friends with Jamin and Kiowa Winans – the filmmakers behind the film ‘Ink’ – I am very close to this topic,” he says.

When the “The Inner Room” was released the people behind the movie even toyed with the idea of pirating the film themselves to gain exposure. But eventually they decided to leave that up to the pros.

“I remember the topic coming up with a few people involved in the film a couple of months before the release of our film on DVD if we should consider ‘leaking’ the film to bit torrent. My first response was even I wanted to, I wouldn’t know how. Even more importantly, do it properly. I would have to hire someone to do it! How lame is that?”

“In the end, we figured it would show up on BitTorrent regardless, so no need to post it ourselves. It took a couple of months, but sure enough, it finally showed up. Now we just have to hope to gains steam and people watch the film, enjoy it, and talk about it,” Diestler concludes.

Thus far The Inner Room has done “great” on BitTorrent resulting in the much anticipated buzz. Just a few days after it was pirated the movie saw a huge bump on IMDb’s movie meter where it’s currently ranked 250. And although the exposure is nowhere near that of “Ink,” the makers are content with the publicity BitTorrent pirates have given them thus far.

Update: Mark Diestler asked us to include the following statement.

First off, we have decided to add high quality legal downloads on our website. For the first time anywhere, the film can be downloaded in HD. $9.99 for the HD download, $7.99 for the SD. These are not region specific, so anyone from around the world should be able to download the film. Additionally, there is a donate button for those that would like to support our efforts.

I also feel it should be made clear that:

#1 – I do not own the North American digital rights to the film, with the exception of selling downloads off my website.
#2 – I’m not condoning “piracy” – I am simply proposing that bitTorrent can give added exposure for a micro-budget film such as ours. Even if 10k people download it, that’s about 9,900 more people than would have normally seen/heard about it. So we miss out on 100 potential “sales/rentals”? Even then, those are only potential sales, who knows how many actual sales… 5? I think the exposure of 10k views is probably far more valuable. But maybe I’m completely wrong?
#3 – for those that do bitTorrent the film, if they hate it, they can be happy they didn’t spend any money on the film. While others who enjoyed it may like to help out the filmmakers by making a donation or downloading a copy off our website or buying a dvd or simply talking about the film

Thanks for the support, Mark Diestler, Producer


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  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    It’s so good to see indie movie makers have genuine confidence in people and our decision as consumers.

    Unlike the MAFIAA fascist monopolists who want to demand a right to be paid – whether it’s shit or not.

    Next move is for indie musicians to use torrents and trust people to pay for quality stuff they deem worthy of their hard-earned cash.

    The MAFIAA is now dying, the CopyWrong Cartel is being undermined, and consumers will now choose whether to be customers or not.
    That’s how it should be with any modern business model.

    MAFIAA = Epic FAIL

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      http://www.businessinsider.com/rich-people-do-not-create-jobs-2011-12?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Falleyinsider%2Fsilicon_alley_insider+%28Silicon+Alley+Insider%29

      Considering Dodd alone must be taking home much more than $10M an year…

      And well, if the small guys that generate the jobs and spread the money think file sharing is ok (along with the rest of the population) then something is wrong with the current law. I’m sure that if the movie is good they’ll recoup the costs and get a pretty decent profit (even though nothing near the mind boggling numbers MAFIAA requires).

      I’d rather make $1000 with my work than earning absolutely nothing.

    • Yondee

      Hey, little pet peeve of mine, don’t use “fascist” if you don’t know what it means. Fascism is a radical form of nationalism in which a party instates authoritarian rule under the the clause of national pride. COMPANIES CANNOT BE FASCIST. I have seen this a lot and it makes you look very ignorant and usually makes your entire argument moot in my eyes.

      • Rob

        “Fascism ( /?fæ??z?m/) is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists seek to rejuvenate their nation based on commitment to the national community as an organic entity, in which individuals are bound together in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood.[3] To achieve this, fascists purge forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration.[3] Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, discipline and family policy (such as eugenics).[4][5] That state is led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the fascist movement, the government and other state institutions.[6] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition.”

        Dude, that totally describes the MPAA/RIAA. What’s wrong with you?

        • Kr0nz

          Yep, sounds like the MAFIAA to me.

        • Anonymous

          I’m with Yondee on this. Although the behavior is similar, Fascism is a political movement applicable to a country or peoples. I get the comparison but it doesn’t apply to corporations IMO. Corporations are treated as individuals legally but only have one obligation – shareholder profits. To that end, they behave in a tyrannical often despotic fashion.

        • Anonymous

          @wcg

          So you’re under the assumption that (at least in the USA) corporations are not synonymous with the government (aka, political movement)?

          Wake up mang. :/

        • Tesla

          Very nice.
          Also, who runs America?…the politicians work for the corporations, that is where the money is. Very few people in this area do what they do because they want to do a good job, they want money and power. The few politicians left in America that are truly interested in doing good are few and far.
          And the Corporations want us as sheep….They will remove those who are only interested in doing what is right and promote those who will help to fill their wallets. This is life, not a T.V. show where the good guys almost always win.
          For those who are not familiar with MAX, check out the old tv show Max Headroom, we are heading that route if this greed doesn’t end. Some of these corporations are already there.
          Call it what you want, this era is the era of re-defining everything anyway.
          call a spade a spade, take off the blinders. The poor, the innocent will be trod upon. The Information sharers are the most despised by these moguls because we enlighten the ignorant, this is what they want stopped.
          Otherwise all is great in the world.
          And yes it is very nice to see an indie who understands better business and leaves his future up to the people he is creating things for rather than making crap and demanding compensation for for the fact that people watched and didn’t pay cause it was crap.

      • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

        I don’t usually bother to answer posts like yours Yondee, but I genuinely think you’re perhaps being a tad anal in your usage and definition of some words. Too strict a potty-training as a child perhaps?

        It’s perfectly acceptable in modern usage to use terms such as “tobacco fascist” (indicating either a non-smoker or a born-again non-smoker who objects vociferously to inhaling other people’s 2nd-hand smoke, having a used ashtray on their table, smelling tobacco from your clothes, breath or home, etc.)

        Just as some people are word-fascists who go too far in making their point, they simply do their own aims harm by objecting so loudly and authoritatively where they’ve no authority whatsoever.

        I suggest you lighten up a little, be more accepting of people and their usage of our language (since it belongs to ALL of us), or maybe seek psychiatric assistance with your fetishistic problem(s).

        And please remember that respect is earned, not given on demand. So I respectfully disagree with your false assertion Yondee that “COMPANIES CANNOT BE FASCIST”.

        Just apply a little thought and flexibility, and you’ll make it to the next level of Humanity with a modicum of understanding for your fellow creatures, Human or others.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000178860781 Bug Lord

      don’t much need torrents when there’s a good site for free music already up: http://www.jamendo.com/en/

    • http://twitter.com/twistedpc twistedpc
  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1181592098 Karan Shah

    great to hear this.

  • Anonymous

    Certainly a movie now on my download list.

    They actually make a good point here that I was pondering the other day.

    Official services will grow over time with movies but what about TV shows? Mostly all TV series have not been upset with piracy when these are simply more fans to catch the official broadcasts. Now if they want to offer TV series through official channels then this will cost money.

    Hmmm I think: The pirates do a great job already… and it is free. I will have to ponder that one more.

  • Mohammad

    Great! :) But, they should put a torrent link and a donate button on their website. The last thing I’d want to do is download the movie via torrent and get sued by the distributor.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      VPN, Put.io, Fetch.io….

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  • WUT

    IMDB Top 250???

    I see 3.4/10 on IMDB with an extremely low number of user ratings (59). Probably the actual benefit of the exposure was that it met the criteria to get an IMDB page.

    • Mark

      Not top 250 ratings wise, the movie meter – which shows what’s been looked at the most in the past week. You need IMDB Pro to see the movie meter rating. Hope that helps.

  • http://www.twitter.com/echoman74 echoman

    This is great news, indie filmmakers who are open to technology will further themselves. It’s about time people tell mpaa to BUZZ off!! :) The mpaa rating system is a crock of shit and has always been in the way of filmmakers. Be sure to also check out a movie called “this film not yet rated” and see what goes on behind closed doors with mpaa.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah OK, you have to admit that is kinda crazy when you think about it. Wow.
    http://www.Total-Privacy (dot) US

  • Mark Diestler

    We’ve already had requests to add to paypal donate button – will take a little bit of time to get that updated on our webpage, but in the meantime, if you want to donate you can do so by sending funds to the paypal account: info@theinnerroommovie.com

    Thanks for the support, Mark Diestler, Producer

    • http://www.bt-chat.com NBtX

      Hey Mark,

      I am an owner of torrent site http://www.bt-chat.com. I am not all that interested in the style of that film, and probably wont watch it, but I have sent a small donation your way to support you. I hope you continue to keep your views on future projects, I hope more people learn and realise these truths as time goes on.

      NBtX

      • Mark Diestler

        Thanks NBtX – appreciate it.

    • http://travismccrea.com Travis McCrea

      Hey Mark,

      Mainly because we don’t want bt-chat.com to get all the glory. I am going to donate as well on behalf of TorMovies.org and to one up those guys, once you get a donate link we will throw your movie up on the front page for a couple of days and include the donate link.

      Suck it NBtX*

      Travis McCrea

      *Of course, I am just teasing. I am glad you sent your support to the artist, and you guys have an awesome website.

      • Mark Diestler

        Thanks Travis, appreciate it – although I am yet to see your donation, unlike NBtX who did donate;-)

        btw – the paypal donation link is now live on our site:
        http://theinnerroommovie.com/

        • http://travismccrea.com Travis McCrea

          Sent now. :) Hopefully it’s on par with what they donated. Since I only run TorMovies, I don’t actually build it, it will be a day or so before it shows up.

      • Mark Diestler

        Thanks Travis, any donation is great – it did show up and it was the same amount as NBtX – thanks so much for your support.

      • Mark Diestler

        @Travis, still haven’t seen the film show up on your front page with a donate link – but I do thank you for the donation.

    • Tesla

      I have not looked yet, but I will shortly.
      You are a Shining Star in the midst of darkness.
      If all the producers were to do this I could stop being a pirate.
      Fan-Tastic attitude.

      * :) *:)

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  • Prick

    Bittorrent sure does help crappy filmmakers like him. I mean when a guy produces crap movies like that, what has he got to lose?

  • Anonymous

    I’m might be in the minority here but I am wary of the intentions here. Just as other indie titles became the focus of legal action (Hurt Locker anyone?) this could be a prime target. Unless the distribution company (not the director) gives you specific legal rights they can bait and switch anytime. Realistically though, take the necessary precautions you would for any other file sharing.

    On a different note, its refreshing to see public recognition of the power of “alternative” distribution. What’s better for your art as a creator? Earning the paltry return for 5000 copies sold or earning the same amount but having an audience of half a million? Where the things fall apart is when the distributor, creator, and lawyers start to believe that those million views equals millions in lost revenue.

    • Aussie Bob

      dont see the point in the distribution company suing the downloaders because next time another of these movies comes round less ppl will look at it because half of them were burned when they had a look at the previous indie movie on bt. so suing the downloaders is a lose lose, or simply short sighted.

      wait sorry then they prob will sue the downloaders seeing most in the entertainment industry cant see past their fat arses.

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  • Anonymous

    @Mark Diestler

    Would you be willing to share if your download numbers or purchases from your site has increased at all as a result of the film’s appearance on Bit Torrent?

    A Fellow Indie Producer

    • ayman

      If it’s a good movie it will definitely increase the sales, If not then you got something wrong in your movie and it’s time to think over and meet the audience demand.

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  • StevO

    Well any exposure is better than no exposure, which is what he will get from the MPAA. Now if he signed big named artists and put himself 75 million in debt, then maybe just maybe he would get an honorable mention on some talk show.
    Truth is, torrents are the pure reflection of what television and movies do in popularity these days. Look how many times these trashy for crap reality shows get downloaded. Not very much. And that’s not because they are being watched on television instead. They just aren’t being watched. Fact of the matter is that when OTHER industries sell many many ways to watch a show, via phones and iPods and whatever, that’s just more people NOT watching television. Crap tons of people who do not go to theaters anymore are waiting for blue-rays to watch on their 55″ HD tvs. The industry is divided, just like communities. And all they can do is watch their control vanish.

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  • someguywhokillspeople

    My film, SOME GUY WHO KILLS PEOPLE, has just leaked on-line and, of course, I’m hoping this will increase awareness and lead to greater DVD sales when the film is available next year.

    But as far as using PayPal on our film’s website for donations, how would the viewers of the film on all these different torrent sites know about this PayPal option? Thanks so much for any advice.

    http://www.someguywhokillspeople.com

    • Anonymous

      I didn’t expect that link to actually point anywhere when I clicked on it. O_o

      Awesome.

      • someguywhokillspeople

        thanks for checking out the link. glad it worked for you.

    • just thinkin’

      I have been thinking for a long time now that why don’t movie makers maybe put an online address for donations (make it large and obvious) in the starting and finishing credits of the movie. then if someone views a copy of the movie & likes it they may consider donating/paying something for it, and if it’s crap then not???? (maybe this or something like it could be a start for the basis of a new marketing model?)

      Maybe something similar can be done with music too???

    • Anonymous

      Just mentioning the Paypal option in the .nfo file would probably be enough. Word of mouth will do the rest. :-)

      • just thinkin’

        Yeah I had thought of that too, but, it would be too easy for someone to make a fake .nfo directing payments to someone other than the artist/producers etc (not to mention that not everyone includes a nfo when making a torrent or even many people actually open and read them).
        Hence I thought if it was placed in the credits start and finish then it could not be missed or forged.

        • Anonymous

          True. Then again, it’s so easy that it could have been done already, given the millions of torrents out there. Maybe you give filesharers too little credit? :-)
          Btw, in my original post I wasn’t replying to your comment (which I think is a good idea), I was replying to someguy… It just happened to appear right under your post.

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  • Alyssa Blindy

    Well, interesting. It’s always good when we see something like this.

  • Mark Diestler

    It should be made clear that:
    #1 – I do not own the North American streaming rights to the film.
    #2 – I’m not condoning “piracy” – I am simply proposing added exposure for a micro-budget film such as ours with no stars. Even if 10k people download it, that’s about 9,900 more people than would have normally seen/heard about it. So we miss out on 100 potential “sales/rentals”? I think the exposure of 10k views is probably more valuable. But maybe I’m completely wrong?
    #3 – people like Prick can be happy they didn’t spend any money on the film, while others who enjoyed it may like to help out the filmmakers by making a donation or buying a dvd or simply talking about the film

    Thanks for the support, Mark Diestler, Producer

    • Cog

      Not sure if I would download this, but after reading about it and seeing the trailer, I might buy it I can find it on Amazon or Netflix.

    • Anonymous

      Regarding #2: while not condoning “piracy”, even the fact that you have the common sense to recognize that 10k downloads only means 100 lost potential sales instead of the usual 1 download = 1 lost sale argument “mother” MPAA is using is good enough for me.
      As for the rentability of the overall “experiment”, it all depends on how succesfully you capitalize on the added exposure. Ideally, you could reach a scenario where consumers would get your movies for free and you’d make money out of sponsorships, product placements, pay-per-click deals, ads, merchandise, “premium” extras etc. But that won’t happen by itself, it takes some effort (and creativity) from the part of the creators / rightsholders themselves. :-)
      Having said that, best of luck with the film!

  • Doomextreme

    I highly recommend people watch this. This is a VERY reasonable conclusion of piracy, and is the finalizer for me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI&list=FLzKj3Ej-UcjpAN7O6UZggTg&index=5&feature=plpp_video

  • Mark Diestler

    If you’d like to support our efforts, the paypal donation link is now up on our website:
    http://theinnerroommovie.com/

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