Forced Exodus of BitTorrent Sites Is Imminent

Ernesto
November 23, 2007
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The Dutch ISP LeaseWeb can’t take the pressure from BREIN anymore. As a preliminary measure they have now ordered dozens of BitTorrent sites – including some big-shots – to pack their stuff before December 1st, leave LeaseWeb and find a new home.

Last week we reported that LeaseWeb forced SumoTorrent to move to another ISP due to pressure from BREIN. In that article we published a list of other potential BRIEN targets hosted by LeaseWeb (we left out dozens of other sites) including mybittorrent.com, btmon.com, btjunkie.org, seedpeer.com, what.cd and waffles.fm.

Over the past few days several admins of the sites in this list confirmed to TorrentFreak that they indeed got a letter from LeaseWeb in which they were asked to move their websites before the end of the month. At this point it is not sure whether the dozens of other, mostly smaller private BitTorrent communities, received a similar letter. A questionable request since BitTorrent sites are not considered to be illegal according to Dutch law.

However, it seems that LeaseWeb has succumbed to BREIN’s pressure as it orders its clients to take all BitTorrent related material from their servers before December 1st. LeaseWeb takes this proactive measure to protect their clients they say, but it’s not needed since the court order that BREIN has applies ONLY to everlasting.nl and not to all other BitTorrent sites

One of the biggest mistakes they made in the process is to hand over the personal details of the SumoTorrent administrator. Somehow LeaseWeb was under the impression that they had to give this information to BREIN, thereby violating the privacy of one of their clients. This mistake also contradicts a statement LeaseWeb gave earlier this week to ISPam.nl, where they said that they are not allowed to give customer information to a third party without a funded request.

One of the big questions right now is where on earth all the BitTorrent sites will go now that LeaseWeb is a no-go. There are still some other options in The Netherlands and countries like Canada and Sweden, but they are slowly running out of alternatives.

LeaseWeb announced that it will appeal the decision in the everlasting.nl case, “LeaseWeb has filed an appeal and will keep fighting for its client’s privacy and right of freedom of expression up to the highest court.” We wish them well.

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Damn

I wonder how long before TPB actually goes down again too..
bob had

not btmon!!!!!
Any good alternatives for a superindexer?
James Bone 007

All these trackers should go to nforce or host with respectful thepiratebay!

this is a good choice!

and a BIG FUCK YOU goes to BREIN!
sreknaw

LeaseWeb are gonna lose soo much money from people moving there trackers and boxes.

not that they shouldn’t after folding under the pressure like this

Offshore Malaysian hosting http://shinjiru.com/
Guido

btjunkie is amazing. Damn.
Dave

Shinjiru give into MPAA takedown requests. Nforce is hosted at leaseweb.

The only good places left are with isohunt in canada (neutraldata) or prq in sweden. It makes you wonder if there will be any places left soon. :(
Joey Mandela

This European ISP has crumbled before the threats of the global (ie American) record industry, even though the target of mere torrents is completely legal, and it is the act of targeting it and forcefully oppressing it which is illegal.

Is this all so surprising? While there is any _possible_ moral precedent for the global content control industry to legally suppress all torrent sites on the planet they will – and there IS a moral precedent: that the content is being taken by people who do not pay for it. Theft is occurring.
It does not matter that binary choices are literally to screw or be screwed, to steal vast amounts of money from the content controllers or to let them steal vast amounts from you; nor does it matter that a middle ground should be found.
Either way, EMI steals from you ($1 for the CD, $1 for the artist, $1 for the behind-the-scenes guys, and $16 because we can, and you can’t stop us); or else you steal from EMI (“huh, I wonder if I like these 70 albums; I guess I’ll check them all out, and buy the ones I like).
mhhh

everyhting goes through its rough patches, torrents are having theres atm. we shall previal.
bookWorm17

I’d just like to say, moral and legal precedents in favor of fair-market-commerce are slowly but surely occurring in the background, thanks only to the EFF and one or two others, and this may be ever so gradually slowing the juggernaut that is the cartels.
In the meantime, while the cartels continue their unstoppable process of finding and controlling the few first world countries on the planet which are willing to give legitimate freedoms a chance, there is only one choice: evolve. Decentralize. Become un-sueable. It has been said that they can’t sue all the people who use p2p; so be it.
But effectively all the people who use bittorrent are dependent on torrent-sites. How many of those are there: 50? 100? 1000?
And here is where the instant death comes in: how many countries are they hosted in: 5? 10? 15?
Because let me tell you, not too many countries are allowing grey torrent sites to exist, and the organized music cartel is going after those few, one at a time. Denmark will fall. Canada will fall. Sweden will fall.
The industry will take over the world of bittorrent if we remain so centralized; we MUST evolve!!!
Moo, I’m at UCF

Iran?
Huck Finn

Use the same unstoppable tactics that malware uses to beat DPI, network security, and professional analysists every day;
check it out!

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071120-making-malware-unprofitable-economics-key-to-slowing-hackers-down.html
(in case it didn’t all paste, the link ends in “.html”)
santa

BREIN needs taking down a peg or two. BREIN-Defenders anywhere?
Mauricio

Mexico
James Bone 007

hmmm
no one can stop sharing movies.
lots of DC++ networks, more powerful then bittorrent.

it’s impossible to shut down share world. there will be a way to share with each other.

why MPAA/RIAA and other groups are so dumb ? they never knew about DC++ ?

they should check them first before jumping on bittorrent sites.

DC++ is the first place where files born.

All trackers should be hosted in Russia – Moscow.
Anonymous

[quote comment="221325"]

All trackers should be hosted in Russia – Moscow.[/quote]

russian hosting is crap IMO
canadian hosting is decent, but i think sweden would make a better place
bookWorm17

I hear that the Mexican government is close enough to the US gov that if the cartel really leaned on it, it would cave in too.

Good point though; Russia is still a wild card, in that its still “prickly” enough not to bend over to the states (especially over something as ultimately trivial as filesharing), plus the Russians still have the global power and influence to back up that opinion.

China too; sure they are communist and have clamped down on every freedom they can, BUT the people are so used to dealing with it, and the system is so corrupt, that I cannot foresee their underworld NOT existing; always a possibility of hosting etc there.

I guess it could go in either of these guys, as long as there is a profit involved.

But should we seriously bend have all of Western Europe and North America bend over and kiss its kneecaps like that? Doesn’t really seem like a solution….

I’m really in favor of evolving the current generation of p2p.
Ryan

I love http://www.myBittorrent.com, it’s one of the best Bittorrent sites.

It’s a shame to see http://www.myBittorrent.com move, but thankfully nobody will even notice that they moved.
Kos

As long as ThePirateBay and MiniNova lives on, I’m not worried. The day they die, the p2p community is in serious trouble.
Run Forrest run!

And that’s what people get for not standing up for themselves while they aren’t breaking any laws.

Real pirates don’t hide in the shadows.

Maybe all these sites can go to where demonoid is running next, well that is until some lawyer sends another letter…
Mauricio

[quote comment="221330"]I hear that the Mexican government is close enough to the US gov that if the cartel really leaned on it, it would cave in too.

I don’t think so, Mexico is a country with much piracy and corruption.
I live in Mexico. Fuk the MPAA/RIAA!!
Anonymous

Huck Finn, could you give an example for one spamming technique and how it would be useful in this context? I’ve read the article and didn’t notice anything interesting. Actually, one worm uses the ed2k protocol which means spammers are learning from P2P developers and not vice-versa. I mean, ed2k and Gnutella are already decentral, distributed and well-established. In fact, you could think of BitTorrent as a stripped and somewhat optimized version of those protocols. Obviously centralization comes at a price. The real and common problem is lack of anonymity. Completely anonymous file-sharing is possible but due to bandwidth concerns, I doubt it will become popular anytime soon. Something more realistic would be hosting torrent sites via I2P because .torrent files are tiny compared to the actual shared files. Sites hosted at the I2P-internal .i2p domains are really anonymous and not available outside of the I2P network. TOR would not help here because it anonymizes the client-side but not server-side. However, as long as it requires significant work (more than one click) on the user-side to access I2P, this is not going to reach a critical mass.
Anonymous

[quote comment="221336"]As long as ThePirateBay and MiniNova lives on, I’m not worried. The day they die, the p2p community is in serious trouble.[/quote]
mininova doesnt have a tracker
Pearl

[quote]China too; sure they are communist and have clamped down on every freedom they can, [/quote]

They’re not communist…
Huck Finn

To Anonymous;
I stand by my statements, but good point.

I say what I say, because evidently media-defender was able to infiltrate the torrent network, and it seems that Comcast is running some sort of packet inspection – be it DPI or not – which is successfully blocking out torrent use.

From personal experience, somewhere in my packets journey, they all get blocked, whether on gnutella, torrent, or Areas.

I quoted that article because it indicated that there is a set of “protocols” out there which are successful in bypassing all of the tools used against them, _unlike_ gnutella and torrents.

Incidently, I’m interested in that torrents via i2p concept you mentioned; could you mention a source for (DIY) data on that, or is this public bulletin board in inappropriate place…
pedro

waffles and what have found alternative servers already. This is not going to affect the community that much.
Anonymous

See http://www.i2p.net for info on I2P.

Apparently it’s possible to torrent entirely over I2P and the network is designed to allow this possibility. It would mean a reduction in speeds though. The idea of hosting the tracker over I2P only so it can’t be easily shut down is an interesting one.

Also, a possibility for private trackers would be to use OpenID (http://openid.net/) for authentication, so that they don’t handle any passwords, then make periodic database dumps (not including private messages or passkeys) available to their users, in addition to the source code. This would allow the site, if it got shut down, to be restarted by someone else somewhere else, with all users and torrents intact. Would be an adjustment, but it’s an evolution worth making in my opinion.
Huck Finn

Very cool, thanks.
Zoness

prq.se ftw
LOL

Wtf is this site?
http://mightynova.com
A mininova clone? O_O
luvearth

“but they are slowly running out of alternatives.”

This is not true, there are hundreds of ISPs that would host BitTorrent sites, even in the US. They are slowly running out of already treaded “safe” territory…
C

[quote]This is not true, there are hundreds of ISPs that would host BitTorrent sites, even in the US. They are slowly running out of already treaded “safe” territoryâ€¦[/quote]

American hosting for file sharing isn’t a good idea.
capitalist pig

Great news, now all you socialists will have to pay for your “music”!
Toad

Interesting that Mininova (who are reputed to be trying to do deals to keep going) haven’t been hit, yet they are on the next floor to LeaseWeb. I wonder if Dutch pirates are ok, yet foreign pirates aren’t. I also wonder who in the Dutch government/BREIN is on the take?

Sweden isn’t an option, barely a year ago the police kicked in TPB’s door and snatched their servers. Despite all the bluster, TPB haven’t had the matter dropped or sued anyone over that. I reckon PRQ’s lifespan can be measured in weeks if not days.

As for relatively safe havens, one door closes and another opens. Singapore, the UK, Norway, Mexico, Brazil, India. The world’s a very big place and not everyone is as responsive to American bullying as they were once thought to be.

Time for people to get a little creative and stop putting all their eggs in the same basket
Anonymous

[quote comment="221389"]As for relatively safe havens, one door closes and another opens. Singapore, the UK, Norway, Mexico, Brazil, India. The world’s a very big place and not everyone is as responsive to American bullying as they were once thought to be.[/quote]
Brazil isn’t a good option for big torrent sites
Jackie

maybe Poland ?

Noone did ever take-down torrent site here yet.

There was one raid on 3 sites, that’ve been makin’ translation texts for movies, but it was not connected by anyway with any-kind-torrent.
Anonymous

how can they force this if its not even illigal to their laws????
The sites can take legal action for it, and if they ganged up their ods would increase alot!

however only TPB seem to be willing to fight for the cause..
Anonymous

What about Romania? I haven’t heard of any trouble there and there are a few private sites there already.
jesse

we need to dig up some shit on BREIN…
TD123

[quote comment="221435"]we need to dig up some shit on BREIN…[/quote]

QFT.

I’m all up for blackmailing.
James Bone 007

[quote comment="221352"][quote comment="221336"]As long as ThePirateBay and MiniNova lives on, I’m not worried. The day they die, the p2p community is in serious trouble.[/quote]
mininova doesnt have a tracker[/quote]

LoL
Torrentspy have tracker ?
they are not looking what a torrent site have, they just want to close ;)

torrentspy is same like mininova, the thing is, mininova is family ssafe site and torrentspy is full of crap/XxX. that’s why they are trying to close it!
Deimon

The difference between torrentspy and mininova is that torrentspy adds most of the torrents automaticly by searching through other trackers while on mininova a user most upload the torrent.
Charlie

[quote comment="221413"]maybe Poland ?

Noone did ever take-down torrent site here yet.[/quote]
http://torrentfreak.com/police-raid-university-dismantle-p2p-network/

[quote comment="221432"]What about Romania? I haven’t heard of any trouble there and there are a few private sites there already.[/quote]
http://torrentfreak.com/torrentbitsro-raided-by-the-romanian-police/
rintaro

[quote comment="221309"]This European ISP has crumbled before the threats of the global (ie American) record industry, even though the target of mere torrents is completely legal, and it is the act of targeting it and forcefully oppressing it which is illegal.

Is this all so surprising? While there is any _possible_ moral precedent for the global content control industry to legally suppress all torrent sites on the planet they will – and there IS a moral precedent: that the content is being taken by people who do not pay for it. Theft is occurring.
It does not matter that binary choices are literally to screw or be screwed, to steal vast amounts of money from the content controllers or to let them steal vast amounts from you; nor does it matter that a middle ground should be found.
Either way, EMI steals from you ($1 for the CD, $1 for the artist, $1 for the behind-the-scenes guys, and $16 because we can, and you can’t stop us); or else you steal from EMI (“huh, I wonder if I like these 70 albums; I guess I’ll check them all out, and buy the ones I like).[/quote]

I don’t see how you can say EMI is stealing when people buy CDs of their own free will. If it’s too expensive yro you don’t want to line EMI or someone elses pockets, you have the option not to buy. High prices, however, do not confer the right to steal.
Joey Mandela

Yes, good point; all statements are made in the context of specific parameters.

My parameter here was that “the binary choices (, for those who like music, and would like to listen to it) are literally to screw or be screwed”.

I was also implying that, if you don’t want to “screw or be screwed”, then you can not “have”(ie have owner-level, listen whenever/however you want priviledges) any of the music cartel’s music.
Anonymous

The wikipedia article for I2P actually mentions some application using BitTorrent over I2P: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I2P

I think these are using I2P for chunk transfers too which I would recommend against unless absolutely necessary because it’s far too much overhead. The .torrent files can actually carry some key or certificate which could be used to encrypt the chunk transfers between peers, so that nobody who does not have the .torrent file, could figure out what you are actually transferring. Finding all .torrent files out there and keeping track of them would not scale well.

Another disadvantage of few popular BitTorrent sites and trackers is also that they are easy to control with a relatively short list of IP address or domains. So even if everything is encrypted, ISPs can still figure out easily that you are using BitTorrent unless anonymization comes into play, too.
ViRAL

Damn the BitTorrent community is going down. Legal threats,a and shit like BREIN keep striking and striking. It will not be long…before the USERS of BitTorrent are targeted.
canadian squirrel

where can bt’s sites go… Sealand, the place pirate bay was trying to acquire. ^_^
suss

Check out China, Cuba, Pakistan, India, they are more likely to take a shit on the C&D letters they get sent by the Web Sheriff
A concerned server admin

I have a random debian server lying about, anyone know a good tracker (as easy for me as possible) to set up? I’d be more than happy to do it.
Joey Mandela

Yup;
until, perhaps, the industry says “Here’s twelve million dollars; take down that site, confiscate the servers, and throw the operators in jail for the next ten years.”?
Joey Mandela

(woops; post 48 was meant to reply to post 46)
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Rick Dublin

Even though I like Bit Torrent and I know many will hate me for saying this, I hope Bit Torrent does go bye bye. Maybe then filesharing will go somewhat underground again and you won’t have every noob on the planet doing it.

Let’s face it. PC gaming is in the shitter. Most PC games these days are nothing more than a shitty port of a console game. The more people that use P2P to get games without paying for them, the less reason the makers have to support PC gaming. And it’s not just gaming. It applies to music, movies, and anything else that’s widely shared on P2P. If there’s no profit in producing a product, the maker will cease to produce it. It’s that simple. The widespread use of Bit Torrent has caused P2P to bite the hand that feeds it. If there’s nothing left to share, then what’s the point of P2P?

Anyone that disagrees can go take a flying fuck for all I care.
Mmmmm

You can keep on talking on forums like these and nothing is going to happen. The only way is to stand up, unite and fight …..
snubbed

Currently there is only Sweden & Canada safe for hosting. PirateBay’s hosting in Sweden is very expensive which leaves only Canada.
anon

Iran is a good bet for offshore hosting. Overtly pirating American intellectual property is *completely* *legal* in Iran right now.
KungfuTornado

Any NDS programmers about? Got an idea. Need to test something out.

I think this could be the next big craze and will put a the last nail in the RIAA coffin!
swe

[quote comment="221588"]Iran is a good bet for offshore hosting. Overtly pirating American intellectual property is *completely* *legal* in Iran right now.[/quote]

Bittorrent sites are blocked in Iran because they can contain pornographic content.
so, I don’t know if you can host it there:)
China maybe?; but Leaseweb was great because their datacenter is in Europe, if you host a torrentsite in China … it’s far, and slow because there isn’t so many big backbone going there
swe

[quote comment="221528"]where can bt’s sites go… Sealand, the place pirate bay was trying to acquire. ^_^[/quote]
The king of sealand doesn’t want to sell it to tpb and their hosting company doesn’t allow Piracy. (it’s also quite expensive)
Anonymous

[quote comment="221313"]everyhting goes through its rough patches, torrents are having theres atm. we shall previal.[/quote]

Thanks. i just needed some support ;D

Hopefully something good will come out of this but still this a serious bummer to bittorrent community. But we shall previal o/
dave

nice move leaseweb!
Irish

Sealand? Ex scrap dealer Roy Bates and his mad son who keep burning it out trying to claim the insurance money? That old maggot keeps coming out of the apple every so often LOL.

Shame about leaseweb, but its done us all a big favour by getting everyone to disperse themselves a lot more. Its a lot harder to hit a moving target rather than one thats all stuck in the same place.

The only people who will suffer will be the mpaa/riaa who will find it harder to harass people spread further around the globe and those huge sites like mininova who are only in it for the money.

As for the pirate bay kiddies, funded by that odious crook Ben Oded as someone else said, they are attracting so much attention with all their posturing that they have become the worst thing to happen to filesharing.

/me sits back and waits for inevitable tpb fanboys to flame
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BogaaYouSuck

http://www.clubic.com/actualite-86638-p2p-sarkozy-valide-propositions-olivennes.html#commentaire

And now, France is also targetting directly at end-users.

This is the end of the world :(
Sun

Mabe you will all understand now what it means to name TOP Sites here or at other Places to help the FEDS out to get knowledge of those Sites and Hosts.
Eveything will be back *Scene* soon as a result of all this silly publicity.
Sure its all your freedom to name and talk bout this but all this shutdowns are a result of too much bla after only 1 Huge Site was raided.
theninjasquad

I dont understand how they can force the ISP to take down the sites. Under what laws? What are they pressuring them with? Lawsuits? It doesnt make sense.
haligon

you can terminate a service even if the client doesn’t break the law. it does make sense.
Axel

[quote comment="221325"]hmmm
no one can stop sharing movies.
lots of DC++ networks, more powerful then bittorrent.

it’s impossible to shut down share world. there will be a way to share with each other.

why MPAA/RIAA and other groups are so dumb ? they never knew about DC++ ?

they should check them first before jumping on bittorrent sites.

DC++ is the first place where files born.

All trackers should be hosted in Russia – Moscow.[/quote]

dude are u mentaly retarded hahahhaha

have u ever heard of the scene.. thats were files are born

dc ++ is the files comes to last..
The Watcher

We can always try Cuba, I’m sure they wouldn’t mind having Torrent sites hosted there. HA.
addikt

what about bitorrent of ssh, many private trackers, have option to download ssh torrent. ive used ssh to connect to shell for irc. but ive never used ssh torrents.

what we realy need is TRUE decentralized file sharing.

the reason they dont go after dc++ is people like my sister who can download tv shows over bit torrent would never have the patience to get dc++ going.

there are also many other p2p software out there.

wiki darknet

they know they wont ever stop file sharing, but bittorrent has brought file sharing to the masses like never before.

true decentralized bit torrent would be torrents without the trackers, where each peer works as a tracker and peer. the problem comes with the first initial connections.

maybe some kind of “groups” of peers could be created and people just join the group and all the work the tracker does could be split amongst all the peers, so even if some of the peers leave, the “tracker” information is still available from any of the peers the next time they join.
decentralized torrents -> the future
Jacques Mattheij

I’m fairly mad about this, I’ve written a whole website dedicated to the subject, if anybody feels like reading my stuff please have a look at http://dev.ntlgl.com/faq.html , there is both an english and a dutch version.
USA-Pirate

Now what they just don’t seem to understand is that where there’s a will, there’s a way. Remember when napster went down? there were always other p2p programs. Now that these torrent sites are going down, there are others.

Hell look at TPB. in May ’06 they were raided, and then three days later they were back up and with tons more users because of all of the media attention. and the icing on that cake is that while they still have the servers, they have no evidence because torrent trackers aren’t illegal in Sweeden.

What tickles me the most about this is that people will always be pirating their “intelectual” property. And even if they find a way against Torrenting as a whole, people will find another way.
Anonymous

Torrent KIDDIES HAHHA GET A CLUE
Mr. Dr. Md. PhD.

[quote comment="221972"]Torrent KIDDIES HAHHA GET A CLUE[/quote]

Are your jeans a little too tight there buddy?

But really, this is sad news indeed.
As the guys said, Mexico seems like a real possibility. Plus in Mexico no1 gives a fuck about piracy, cuz everyone does it!
Bill

Decentralized, distributed trackers (similar to kademlia) is the only way to go.

The assertion that torrent trackers aren’t hosting copyright material is true, but govts just change the laws or find them guilty anyway – it’s very very obvious to even the layman (or juror) that trackers are facilitating the distributing of copyright material

We’re seeing the start of the end for trackers (as they exist at the moment) and we need to adapt and change.
Snypylo

There’s always freenet…
bingo handjob

Hahaha. Mexico. I’ve had a Mexican ISP for 15 years. You’ll have the least reliable trackers ever. No mames.
James

To the commenter on TPB:
They can’t be removed, because they host their own servers, and have their own secure connection for internet service.
one word

MUTE
x

at least for us elite mac users who use bs, it’s hosted in china!! :) bs forever
Irish

Comment to James and anyone who think the pirate bay is immune:

Only a year ago the police kicked down the door of PRQ and took their servers, the police investigation is ongoing and the American government is piling pressure on them.

I’ll wager they don’t see much of the new year. And good riddance, given the adverse attention theyve attracted
fpoole

[quote comment="221324"]Mexico[/quote]

No good… way too easy for the US gov’t to take Mexico to the WTO under the terms of NAFTA. Russia (or Iran, ROFL) is about the only truly safe bet.
rintaro

[quote comment="222225"][quote comment="221324"]Mexico[/quote]

No good… way too easy for the US gov’t to take Mexico to the WTO under the terms of NAFTA. Russia (or Iran, ROFL) is about the only truly safe bet.[/quote]

Reading all these posts about where the next great tracker movement might take up residence reminds me of roaches scurrying for dark corners when you turn on the lights.
ok

word
Norm

All of these attacks are directed against trackers. Now trackers are technically legal (though they often assist in copyright infringement). All they really do is list available torrents. They don’t host them or anything. I mean, you can find lots of illegal stuff using google, but nobody sues google. They are just a search engine, right?

Why the double standard? Google is a prosperous corporation with great influence and enough money to fight lawsuits.

What if we figured out a way to hijack google for our ends? Hide links to torrents around various places on the net and use google to search for them – kind of like using google to search for rapidshare downloads.

Or has this been done before. I’m sorry, I’m kind of an idiot.
Gengis Khant

Maybe Bit Torrent dying will be a blessing in disguise. I mean, if we’re not all at home downloading/watching/listening to stuff at home on our PCs’, we’ll get out and socalise more. Thus beginning a whole new age of social interaction in a post 9/11 enviroment. Upon this Global awakening the realisation of a Christian heaven here on Earth is all the more attainable, and…AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anonymous

Malaysia is still an under-publicised option.
Inferi0r

If Brein has so much power every foundation can have so much force. They are a very little foundation here in Holland but with almost every thing they said the Dutch government agreed.
Squeak

List the file names one place, put the file trackers another. That will make the job of the anti-pirate harder.
Squeak

Use the search engines to find the files…
x

^^ oops! seems you messed up your link there somehow.

i’ll help!

http://tracker-invites.org
Anonymous

[quote comment="222454"]If Brein has so much power every foundation can have so much force. They are a very little foundation here in Holland but with almost every thing they said the Dutch government agreed.[/quote]

First of all, they are NOT small.
THey are backed by HUGE company’s like the MPAA.

Second, not all the politicians agreed.
anonymous

what about venezuela -chavez would probably help personally….
Vipercat

While some “copyrighted” content is put on torrent trackers and other p2p networks, it is not the entirety… What this is really about is a corporate military industrial complex where the world is ran by one fascist entity and all freedom of press, religion, speech and information is crushed and we only see, hear, or say what the fascist entity wants or we disappear off the planet… These corporate fascists are dangerous and need to be fought using any means necessary…
pr1m3 r00t

[quote comment="221314"]Because let me tell you, not too many countries are allowing grey torrent sites to exist, and the organized music cartel is going after those few, one at a time. Denmark will fall. Canada will fall. Sweden will fall.
The industry will take over the world of bittorrent if we remain so centralized; we MUST evolve!!![/quote]We are evolving. That’s the stupid thing of it all; All they are doing is chasing the uploaders towards better techniques, and peers towards high grade anonimity. Internet speeds are rising, still, we’re awaiting VDSL2, Fiber To The Home, worldwide. Do they really think 9 Gigabytes will be safe *anywhere* when 100 Mbit/s upstream is a common standard? You must be insane to think that.

Plus, because CPU-speeds for the common man are rising too, realtime encryption is no biggy anymore.
One word: RandPeer (google it) ;-)
Or already actively in use: Stealthnet.
bookWorm17

pr1m3 r00t: You’re beautiful.

Sorry, having a good night:)
But thank you for the info, I was really losing hope in the state of BT and , well, even p2p.

PS – awesome name (taking a relevent class now:)
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Anonymous

I don’t know how many users of torrent tehnology are out there but what if we finance a base in international teritory, or even the Moon? I’d throw in a few hundreds…
pr1m3 r00t

[quote comment="223813"]I don’t know how many users of torrent tehnology are out there but what if we finance a base in international teritory, or even the Moon? I’d throw in a few hundreds…[/quote]We don’t need a base anymore. The base is the swarm and the medium itself. Thrown your hundreds at the developers of for example randpeer; http://securep2p.net/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page
Person

I think that hosting torrents in countries like Russia, China, Cuba, etc. are terrible ideas. They should only be hosted in places where there is free speech, because the point of file-sharing is freedom, and the absence of freedom of speech obviously undermines that.
torrent woman

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Anonymous

BTjunkie.org is still up… their servers got moved
Dr. Rod

why not africa? Gouverments have other problems there than piracy..
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Anon

Forget Malaysia…they’re cracking down on us here too, the asses. Ditto with Singapore. Try Indonesia, maybe?

Africa? No infrastructure man, and I’d not like my file sharing to be interrupted by the next crap govt that decides to bomb something or other.
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me

Got bored before I finished reading everything but the answer is to get rid of .torrent files and just have typed magnet links (preferably not linked).

Or another is to have swarm based websites (Azureus basically has plugins to do this only it’s rss but no real diff)

After all what is being attacked are these sites hosting almost nothing at all, you could have it on IRC (eztv even had rss over irc and web over irc would also be very possible).

As for the trackers that weakness is already gone, DHT works more than effectively enough.
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Sir James

Ive been told not to spam- But what the hell, this isnt spamming.

We provide offshore hosting solutions for all torrent sites. Privacy guaranteed.

I really dont understand the problem.

Sir James

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RedRoofie

I’m in Canada and so I don’t give a FucK!
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bob

why don’t they try someone else in a place where they don’t support extradiction laws? Then they would not be forced to be shut down right?? Something like my ISP Bellsouth or the “New AT&T” They never had monitored any of the gigs of traffic sent from my pc. All they care about is gettint paid each month. SWEET!!!
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