France Passes New 3 Strikes Anti-Piracy Bill
Written by enigmax on September 15, 2009After its initial adoption in May, the original version of the “3 strikes” Hadopi anti-piracy legislation was struck down by France’s highest legal authority after declaring the proposals unconstitutional. A modified version of the bill was accepted in July by the Senate and today it was passed in the National Assembly.
Following its initial adoption in May 2009, the original version of the controversial Hadopi anti-piracy legislation was nuked by the Constitutional Council, France’s highest legal authority. It took a similar view to that of the European Parliament, declared the proposals unconstitutional and demanded that those accused should enjoy a fair trial.
On July 8th, a modified version of the bill was accepted by the French Senate after assurances were made that the final decision of disconnection under a 3 strikes-style regime would be passed to a judge.
The new structure is suggested as follows. Once an individual has been warned about a third online copyright infringement, he or she will enter a mechanism which will see them reported to a judge. After a hearing the judge will have the power to cut the individual off from the Internet, issue a fine of up to 300,000 euros, or even hand out a 2 year jail sentence.
Furthermore, innocent ISP account holders who find themselves accused over the infringements of a 3rd party could be found guilty of “negligence”, risking a maximum 1,500 euro fine and a 4 week disconnection.
Today French legislators voted on the new compromise bill. In the National Assembly it passed with 225 votes against and 285 votes in favor. The bill (now known as Hadopi 2) will now move to the upper house (the Senate) for approval. It will then be signed into French law.
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Viva la France…. for being the first bitches to sell out to the content industries and bending over.
Come on Frenches – time for another revolution and head chopping.
I’m gonna start a riot
Wow….. Bye bye Freedom…
I love this part
“Furthermore, innocent ISP account holders who find themselves accused over the infringements of a 3rd party could be found guilty of “negligence”, risking a maximum 1,500 euro fine and a 4 week disconnection”
Talk about Guilty no matter if your innocent or not.
Good luck french users.. America isn’t far behind.
we need more laws like this, then the move to post p2p will come faster.
Nicolas Sarkozy is just trying to act big, when we all know hes a short arsed surrender monkey
This law won’t work more than the mafiaa’s lawsuits anyway — how can you really secure a wi-fi access? Besides, the constitutional council will have to review the law and it may well turn it down as it did the first time it was voted.
“Furthermore, innocent ISP account holders who find themselves accused over the infringements of a 3rd party could be found guilty of “negligence”, risking a maximum 1,500 euro fine and a 4 week disconnection”
If the European Court of Human Rights don’t come down like a ton of bricks on this bit alone then it should be disbanded!
And then it will be found unconstitutional in some higher court (or the EU) and then we’ll have a new bill (maybe called Hadopi 3).
With the recent developments all over the world I feel the need of a Parallel Internet. Some network structure decentralized in such a way there would be no single point of control/censorship. A truly FREE network, like the internet was supposed to be.
great if we get accused 3 times without doing anything we still get sued…. -_-x this gona be fun to watch alot of people getting taken to court coz they didnt do anything.
“Furthermore, innocent ISP account holders who find themselves accused over the infringements of a 3rd party could be found guilty of “negligence”, risking a maximum 1,500 euro fine and a 4 week disconnection.”
You left your car unlocked and somebody stole it and used it to steal movies from a video store… YOUR FAULT! PAY ME NOW!
Its gonna be fun to watch them try to enforce this. I can almost smell the cars burning in Paris.
I, for once, want that law to be voted. Then it will be proven that it isn’t working at all and it’s a waste of time.
There’s an artist in France called Francis Lalanne, he’s one of the few to call the music industry and people making these laws “pirates”. He’s laugh at a lot in France, but he’s a really smart guy. Everyone should appreciate this guy for what he is. Of course I don’t like his music at all, but he’s smart.
Knowing how Judges are more incompetent than lawyers… I bet many people will get f*cked big time.
I’ve yet to see a judge who knows something; They just sit there, think of porn, their mistress, new car, money and some other BS.
Well done France…Well Done (!) (<-Sarcasm)
…. Are you sure the Wireless P2P home-hosted network is still a bad Idea? if we set up a lot of LANs and connected them (though We’d need something different than TCP/IP, since most of Ip directions are taken out), we could have a nice network… though we couldn’t do OverSeas connections (unless you find out a way to launch a satelite).
An encrypted connection wouldn’t work anyways… Because Goverment has the power to decrypt it. Therefore it will just take a while untill they find out what you were sending. Tor or stuff like that can be even traced! Just send a signal from each place you are back to some computer, and you’ll end up with the last destination and everyone involved, even being able to sue the ones on networks as TOR.
Something that’s not said on those programs… GOVERMENT is like god, just that this “god” can be taken out. Let’s start a REVOLUTION :D
I read TF daily for years now and this is my first ever post because this article warrants it.
Wow. Just wow. What kind of sick twisted nightmare of a system do they got over there?
Tell me this will get struck down by someone.
@11 I hope I smell them cars from here (Canada) if this thing makes it to actual law.
Justice weeps right about now.
This is something to riot about.
@5 – don’t you get it? The copyright holders don’t care if you are actually guilty or not, if they can find out what IP did what, they go after the account holder.
If a 12 year old downloads a song on their parents internet, they’ll go after the parent as the accounts in their name. They have no idea who actually downloaded the song.
Vive Pétain.
French bitches are always the first ones to take it up the a$$!
This will usher in a new era of underground filesharing, while reducing sales, exposure and free advertising for the MAFIAA.
Good game.
good job sarkozi for being an ass president and well done french ppl for being so blind and easily fooled
“After a hearing the judge will have the power to cut the individual off from the Internet”
what the heck is this ???
totally crazy!
thats like in the middle ages where hands were cut off thiefs..
i’d rather give my hands!
what do you expect from a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys?
yet again the French a$$ kiss the fascists and lay down
Fowl i hear you cry
what the F?
JAIL TIME for merely SHARING?
is human nature not common sense to these Corps?
having years taken from someone’s life for doing what a human being does is just WRONG.
French law is sh!t for even consideting this.
what a heap of shit. you french pussies better stand up and let your voices be heard.
Nope, sorry. This is utter crap. Any law that punishes people for sharing is, of course, but this is more so.
Let’s watch it get blown out of the water by some judicial body or another that actually knows what they’re doing.
U french ppl can’t do anything except use encrypted private networks.
Le fuuu….
Come on, French! We non-French will stand for you!!
Doesn’t seem much different from the original Hadopi law. Surely this is also unconstitutional?
this is good as it should mean a reduction in the number of “blah blah threatens 3 strikes” stories on TF, and it’s only the french so nobody cares, and it will likely be entertaining, and it will drive development, and it will fail.
I bet you pussies calling the french pussies are too pussy yourself to say it to their face though.
Fatass and gay americans. Lulz
“Surrendering” was good strategy of the French.
Many were part of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_movement
This will happen with the information war if it keeps going on.
I have one word for all the French mateys out there.
!! REVOLUTION !!
You guys did it once. I believe you can do it again.
Viva la free France !
Aren’t the french rather good at protests and rioting? Now is the time.
When this goes into action, the judges are sure going to be busy.
Hi guys, I’m french.
There is something not said in the article: after the differences between the version voted in parliament and the version voted in senate be merged, the final text will be presented before the Constitutional Council.
And then :-) , like for Hadopi 1 :-) , the Constitutional Council will rule the repression part of the law unconstitutional :-) .
2 years of hadopi news for nothing :-DDD
So, am I to understand that a the person accused still wont get a full blown trial? but rather a judge will solely decide if the person is guilty?
its shocking that so many people would see this as an ok practice of industry and government working side by side.
All you guys are not getting the bigger picture…these laws….can be used, twisted.
hypothetically someone could find the isp address of people in the music industry and/or people who have made this law.
Get some “evidence” of them downloading copyrighted material like some you can make yourself.
Then accuse them three times, if the judge throws it out OR you get brought in and questioned about accusing high ranking people well then you go and scream what happened to the press and to the world show how in that country the ruling elite do not have to follow the laws then make for everyone else.
It will be interesting to watch.
-Jay
How is it “negligent” to allow 3rd party network access? I see it as a public service ….
I guess its the the French really are A-HOLES!!!
I can see roofnets growing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roofnet)
“So, am I to understand that a the person accused still wont get a full blown trial? but rather a judge will solely decide if the person is guilty?”
The system is different in USA and in France. In USA, the judge can only decide on what is presented by the parties before him. In France, he can ask for more instruction. So in fact, there are other cases when there is only one judge.
The problem here is more who would make the instruction, and who would certify proofs so that the judge may use a solid instruction. Currently, there is no solution to that, hehehe.
i never liked french people nor i like those voters for CENSOR!
creativity must be free and flowed freely around the internets!!
i do support artists, and i support also the people that have worked to make that content BUT I DON’T BELIEVE IN TIRANNY!!!!!!!!!!
PS. I DO LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED AGAINST CENSOR AND TRASHING PRIVACY!
whats the penalty for a false infringement claim? I hope its prison.
Trust the french to be so quick to surrender.
Good timing on http://final.ipredator.se/ then?
Why isn’t torrentfreak reporting on IPREDATOR anymore?
What about the accusation that it’s just RELAKKS in disguise and just as crappy?
How about a current interview OF relakks and other VPN providers and their stance on keeping logs, both in general as well as when subpoenad / forced by the industry?
How about some real investigative journalism?
Just sayin’.
I’m so ashamed to be french today…HADOPI accepted by 55% of the legislators, what the hell is going on?
Hoping high authorities won’t let this pass…
and this surprises you?
the french war cry……
WE SURRENDER
that is retarded..
viva la proxy services: btguard, relakks, torrentprivacy, etc etc!
“Exact details about enforcement were still being worked out. Internet subscribers would be asked to install special software to enable authorities to track down and identify those suspected of illegal downloads, but skeptics say such programs are not ready to be rolled out.”
Wow, can we say Super-On-Steriods-Goverment-Forced-Spyware
“The bill has garnered attention beyond France, both from music and film industries struggling to keep up official revenue…”
Since when do these copyright owners “struggle”? How many people live in huge estates, have chauffeurs, Jets, Spend $60,000 on clothing to wear once, and have huge vaccation homes across the globe. If that is struggling, I want to know what the other 99% of the people do each day?
Is there a “Why” in any of this?
“President Nicolas Sarkozy, the husband of model-turned-singer Carla Bruni-Sarkozy and friend to powerful French media figures, supports the bill.”
I guess there is…
At least there are those around the world who believe in and fight for peoples rights!
Src: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_internet_piracy
@4 That’s a cheese eating surrender monkey.
LOLZ @ this…this whole thing is absolutely absurd. A fine for something you didn’t do…WTF!!! We’re just one step closer to losing the internet. We must fight back by sharing even more than before, remember “SHARING IS CARING”
they cannot pass that shit, the EU constitutional decree states that access to the net is a fundamental human right.
its like saying that if you cause an traffic accident you are banned from getting into a car.
Ah yes how delightful, control is quickly resuming place.
You will all be punished for your crimes, you should all be ashamed of yourself and happy you lasted this long.. hopefully most of you will recieve that 2 year jail sentance or fine.
Soon the industry will no longer suffer and artists will be able to feed themselves.
Today is a victorious day!
@54
It is also like saying if someone stole your car and caused and accident you would be banned from driving for a month and have to pay a fine. All because you were negligent with your car.
Stop impersonating me, even though I agree with basicly everything you have said thus far. I do not apreciate or need your help convincing these people of their wrong doings.
The holy inquisition, again?
My name is copyright please dont steal it i dont like pirates
waaa… Waaaa…. waaa….
@57 you stop impersonating me.
@55 & 57
You have the funniest comment so far :D
But it wouldn’t be as funny if it were badly articulated!
This is pretty much killer for France if it doesn’t get thrown out. It’s also unconstitutional on a european scale. So, what it means for europe, is more interesting to keep an eye on as this plays out.
*flips over reasoned minds car and lights the seats on fire* :D
I guess Frenchies will have to get their internets from anonymous interweb cafe’s and logging in to public telephones!
I love the smell of burning cars in the morning… smells like victory!
Considering the UK Music market has grown 4.7% i’m hoping our messed up government doesn’t follow the garlic lovers into oblivion.
@Reasoned Mind
You’re shizophrenic, get some counseling
This bill also makes people 100% responsible for what happens over their WiFi network.
Even people that think they’re using “secured” networks aren’t safe now since the only currently secure WiFi is WPA/AES or WPA2.
With the amount of people without secured WiFi, there are now twice as many using vulnerable WPA/TKIP as its default on many routing devices supplied by ISP’s these days.
Lets not forget that most portable gaming devices do NOT support anything except WEP or WPA/TKIP.
@Reasoned Mind
Artists weren’t able to feed themselves before? MTV cribs really gives one the wrong impression then I must say.
Also – if you are fined out of your wealth and due to jail unable to provide/generate new income to turn over to the copyright mafia, how then are the artists going to get paid?
If everyone is going to invest into VPNs due to these illogical laws, instead of paying a culture flatrate that WOULD go to the artists, how can they get paid?
If people start boycotting the industry for real due to feeling more and more overpowered by those that would rather see you in jail than listening to “Heal the world” for free, how will this help artists get paid?
On an unrelated note I also feel you’re a sh1t eating, child raping, mentally retarded industry muppet-fag who should be expelled from any part of advanced society and left to fend for himself in the wilderness as a fitting fate parallel to what you seem to be wishing unto others.
I want a prostate cradle:
http://www.prostatecradle.com/
It’ll go to the EU courts & ruled illegal, like the UK collecting DNA. And just like the UK collecting DNA, they’ll ignore it.
Funny thing is we are all being pushed in the EU and then our governments ignore EU rulings…
Anybody has access to the wifi from Sarkoidosis wife’s?
How fun it would be to start hijacking the connections from French politicians and make them pay the fine?
This is gold really, anyone can hijack a WiFi connection now and use it to download any copyrighted material and then start suing people for statutory damages LoL
If I were a real criminal I would make some junk art and steal it from others WiFi connections and sue them all for money LoL
It’s not 1783 anymore, we have more firepower now. The revolution #2 will be bloodier.
Cultural flat rates will never go to artists as your taxes never go for what their original intent was made for, doubt it? Ask where your taxes go and then go see from where they came and how they came to be to see how it really works.
A great example is the insolvency of all social securities schemes in the world that were implemented as a financial security net in the old age and right now don’t have the money to pay nobody. Governments used the money to do other things and don’t know how they will put the money back. There were no check and balances, there was no one looking and now it is all gone, our own governments robbed us of a life time of contributions and nobody seems to care LoL
Now people say they like the idea of “cultural taxes” are those people crazy?
The French couldn’t fight themselves out of a wet paper bag, before surrendering. What surprises anyone about this. I guess it sux to be French, in several different ways.
france sucks and everyone agrees
Wtf how can a judge hand out a jail sentence without a jury trial. I not a lawyer but that is just wrong. it defies the whole point of modern law. this is just crap the labels are trying to get themselves a shortcut through the legal system when everyone else has to wait years for it to work this is elitist and just wrong by anyone’s standards. activity and thinking like this will hold france back in the evolution of society lets just hope their pebble bed reactors work out for them or not.
Awesome, I’m sure this will work out exactly how they planned ;)
When the French faces trouble, they run like pussy. They surrender. This is just like World War II. When Nazis invades France, the first thing they did was hand over a white flag. GAY ASS FRENCH PUSSIES.
@76: Wake up man, not every legal system is like US’s. In fact, as a legal system, jury trial is a minority (although it is a good one at least in principle). In most countries in the world, the trial is held before a judge or a group of judge, and sentences handed over by that (or those) judge(s).
Now, on the article, if it goes one way it should go the other way the same. If they can sue somebody over his wireless being used unknowingly for “illegal” downloading, then we should be able to sue movie maker, MAFIAA, all the apparatus, if we say that somebody rob a bank after watching a heist movie….
“Furthermore, innocent ISP account holders who find themselves accused over the infringements of a 3rd party could be found guilty of “negligence”, risking a maximum 1,500 euro fine and a 4 week disconnection.”
Quelle honte !
Et il y a toujours quelqu’un a supportant cette putaine “Le president” ?
Happy now with “strong and decisive” Sarko?
Pardon, “a supporter”.
Whats next, checking with a central server before being allowed to play any media? How much are you going to let corporations their way? This must be protested by all means.
@80 Sep 16, 2009 at 06:09 by Anonymous:
Actually in japan their are trying to do just that :)
http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/09/japanese-riaa-wants-server-side-music-drm-for-mobile-phones.ars
While in the U.K. they are trying to put DRM on TV broadcasts.
It is sad really I almost feel sorry for the industry as they don’t have a clue :(
all this legislation will achieve is force filesharers to use anonymous services rendering the MAFIAA toothless in France
in a word
B U L L S H $ T
start of the new world order,get the masses online then screw fuck out of them forget logistep and solicitors the governments are gonna pin you down,i wondered why the uk government wanted broadband in every household lol keystrokers
they are so retarded, the laws only apply for emule ( not even ed2k ) and bittorent :D so that means you can direct download without any problems ;)
/Cali
Well thats BIG news…..
What’s going to happen ?
1. A rush of prosecutions exposes all the worms in the wood work and several cases head off to Court Of Human Rights which alter these incredibly right wing propositions. ?
2. It’s a huge success ? But for who exactly and in what way ? What kind of internet behaviours replace p2p ?
3. Technology takes another leap because the evolution of private and public information sharing networks evolve into something which yet again evolves the zeitgeist….
Interestingly almost overnight the big baddies in the narrative seem to move from being the content owners to the State. Suddenly we are all talking about revolution and oppression rather than free markets and business.
You americans are very funny, “French sucks, cheese eater, etc…”
I am totaly agree with you that this law is useless, but Sarkozy won’t given up on this, what should we do ? Revolution (probably the only thing that you know about France) ? Of course, we already done that (that’s why there’s a 2 for Hadopi).
So, what’s next in your marvelous plan ? Nothing, so stop insulting French people for things that they cannot control and when your health care system will like ours, give me a call.
See ya at Mcdonalds.
Heh. I knew the earlier comment wasn’t written by Reasoned Mind as he knows proper spelling.
“if you cause an traffic accident you are banned from getting into a car.”
I would support that!
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@ 87 Sep 16, 2009 at 12:23 by basement dweller
Heh. I knew the earlier comment wasn’t written by Reasoned Mind as he knows proper spelling.
oh the irony!
does he know ‘proper’ grammar too
Just use StealthNet guys, no one can see what you download.
Sacre Bleu mon ami!
no more french fries for me.
@#8: “With the recent developments all over the world I feel the need of a Parallel Internet.”
Time to dust off that venerable old UUCP software and reactivate our modems. ;-)
C’mon guys: you can ALWAYS interconnect two computers using a regular phone line, and transfer all the files you want — possibly in batches @night. All you need is a phone line — no ISP necessary.
We did operate BBS systems and UUCP nodes back then on an international scale; we could do it again today.
Anonet
What a cool law!
Don’t get me wrong I’m all for a free Internet, but with this couldn’t you go WarDriving, outside say, Mr Midget Sarzlease’s/High Court Judge’s residence, and keep a p2p client superseeding and see what happens…..
“I predict a Riot”
Looks like them industry rats got what they wanted!! – (INSERT FRENCH JOKE HERE)
@#3 Anonymous
you got it slightly wrong , US is not far behind but pushing hard and the |French love to do as they are told
For all the morons saying we’re a bunch of pussies or any other french joke.
I’m so impressed by the quality of your comments ! Really I mean it !
But… When you don’t know a shit, you just shut the f*ck up !
Now for the people with a little more education. This law is the perfect exemple of what you see in a lot of country. The politicians doesn’t represent the people, but a party.
Almost no congressman present for the vote knew something about the subject. they just voted what their party told them. The worse is that they don’t feel ashamed when a journalist ask why they voted yes. “I just followed my party wish”…
Add that our midget prez really wanted this law to pass to please his friends. It resulted in seomthing like :
- Anti-Hadopi congressman : [Very good proposition and argument]
- Minister : “Refused.”
- and so on…
Yup, they knew nothing, the other congressmen had a very good knowledge of the subject but it was always “Refused.”
And our midget prez is ready to launch his new law: LOPSI 2. With this we will be on par with China.
But rejoice all of you !
All the governments are preparing similar laws.
Fuck em ! hide your ISP’s if they threaten you and drag you to court let em ! they cant prove shit…
Hadopi 6! revenge of the hadopi! starring Arnold Schwarzenegger as hadopi!!
sorry…I can’t always help it. Here’s to the EU supreme court being on the ball and hopefully doing what’s right. God I wish we had one of those state side……
@ 3 america really ? HA were protected under the amendments it’s all these 3rd world bitchs (no offence) that are taking the mpaa riaa cock up the ass
yeah we humans were good at standing up for what we believed in but that was back in the day when government institutions such as the police and army didnt have any real control. with the advancements in technology and surveillance since then the governments wouldnt have much of a problem quelling any public uprising unless of course enough people banded together but the vast majority of people would sit by and do nothing anyway and watch as people are arrested/beaten up/killed for what they believe is right.
such is the way of the modern world
At the same time in France a lot of people are sharing their internet access for free.
You scan the different wireless network and 9 times out of 10 you can find this delightfull “freewifi” (at least in big citys).
This is a really good thing but f^*k it will be impossible to control!!
This law that everybody is talking about on websites is now kind of banned from the media in France.
Before looking on the internet two of my friends and I didn’t know what was appening with the new “hadopi 2.1″
This law is a mess. They can try but I doubt anybody will have to pay anything as Courthouses in france are busy for 10 years in advance…
Heh. Sarkozy and his party were sued by MGMT for copyright infringement when they used the MGMT song “Kids” in political videos and at rallies. Initially, the party offered a single Euro as compensation — a real slap in the face to the artists that they purport to protect.
Is there a 300,000 Euro fine for hypocrisy?
fukin wow. why did we fukin save them from the nazis? 2 fukin years for downloading stuff off internet. start a fukin revolution already damn.
Enjoy french banana
Hi! I’m French.
After reading your comments, I can see that there are a few things you don’t know. Most French people don’t care about what’s happening. Not even the people studying computer science with me (all geeks like us).
Most people don’t even know that the government plans to start filtering and censoring the Internet, and keeping tabs of everything we do online. (for reference, see Loppsi 2 law)
Most people don’t care as long as they can access their blog, speak on MSN with their friends and read their E-Mails (whether they’d be watched by the government/the MAFIAA, or not).
Many even believe those laws are actually good because of how they are portrayed by the government and the media (controlled by close friends of the president). It is said everywhere that it will help the “artists” (sic) and that piracy is a bad thing that kills culture/music/cinema everyday.
And as though things weren’t bad enough, everyone voted for the right wing because of the economic crisis (in Europe). People don’t want to run out of money. Unfortunately, the right wing are also all the MAFIAA’s bitches. And every government, one after the other, falls under the lobbies’ pressure and comply with their demands.
I hope there will be strikes and riots, and I WILL be there if there actually is any. But we, French people, have had several episodes of the government changing the law to fulfill the MAFIAA’s wishes and no one ever did anything against it up until now.
Stuff like this needs wide media coverage so people get more aware of what is happening and raise their voices. Censoring the internet,fining people for sharing files,I feel like I fell into some kind of bizzarro universe where everything is the complete opposite of what it’s supposed to be. This system must die.
Hahahahahahahahaha…….you arrogant frogs! That’s what you get for America bashing.
@ sad french guy
“Now for the people with a little more education. This law is the perfect exemple of what you see in a lot of country. The politicians doesn’t represent the people, but a party”
Wow! Yeah, you really sound well-educated! I guess that’s relative to the educational standard in France.
You are not being good enough consumer sheep, so now our paid-for politicians will terrorize you into submitting and hand over your dough.
We will cut your tongue out if you do not comply.
Oh, the original law was found unconstitutional?
Fuck Le Cônstítùtion!
People don’t want these kinds of laws?
Fuck Lë Peôplë!
We are a Democracy!
Sieg Heil La France!
@LaughingMyAssOff
Man, can’t you just feel the use of irony in a sentence. Can’t you feel the blues of reading morons saying shits about you when they don’t have a damn idea of how things work outside their place ?
Did I said we will talk about politics from an expert analyst pov ? Nope, I just called morons, morons (and damned ! We have ours too), and enticed people with a little more education (obviously, I compare those people and the morons. So a little more education isn’t a lot) to read something a little more serious than “You frog are shit”, “we shouldn’t have saved you from nazis”, “blabla french pussies”, etc.
Now, for what I wrote, can’t you feel that this is nothing more than a simple, yet totally logical introduction sentence ?
Might not be the best, but hey, english is not my mother tongue.
The French bashing here is ridiculous. Every major country has lobbyists that get laws past that the populace doesn’t agree with. It happens in the US all the damn time. Lobbyists bribe US politicians successfully every year. Every government has this kind of corruption.
Doesn’t anyone here remember the case recently where a soccer mom was charged a few million dollars for sharing music? This is in the US, people. France is not the first country to enforce anti-piracy laws.
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