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Government Refuses to Revoke Draconian File-Sharing Law

Despite calls from the public, pressure groups and ISPs, the New Zealand government has refused to withdraw the planned Section 92 of the Copyright Amendment Act. The controversial act provides ‘Guilt Upon Accusation’, meaning that those simply accused of file-sharing are disconnected from the Internet.

New Zealand FlagScheduled for introduction at the end of February 2009, Section 92 of the Copyright Amendment Act 2008 assumes that any individual simply accused of sharing copyright works on the Internet is guilty, and will ultimately be disconnected from the Internet.

While New Zealand’s version of the RIAA, RIANZ, is very happy at the introduction of this scheme, many others are not. Objections from the public have been backed up groups such as The Creative Freedom Foundation, with Co-Founder and Director Bronwyn Holloway-Smith slamming the new section as summary action “without evidence or even a trial.”

Many organizations have been vocal in their opposition, and it had been hoped that the combined pressure of all dissenters could be brought to bear on the government, in an attempt to force them to reconsider implementing the law. Unfortunately, according to a Stuff report, that has failed.

Although the government’s Communications and Information Technology Minister Steven Joyce acknowledged there had been concerns over the legislation, the best he could offer was to look at how the law operates after its introduction.

Jamie Baddeley, the president of ISPANZ, New Zealand’s industry group representing ISPs said, “If Section 92A is allowed to come in, ISPs will have to disconnect organizations such as businesses, public libraries, government agencies etc as a result of accusations that an employee has used their computers for illegal downloading.”

While ISPANZ says the legislation makes New Zealand “a guinea pig for experimental cyberlaw,” their members are equally critical.

Alison Sykora, Vodafone spokeswoman said: “We believe the Government needs to re-examine this as it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to enforce.” Mathew Bolland for TelstraClear defined the legislation as “appalling” while noting that although the company will have to follow the law, they “won’t be hammering” their customers.

In November last year, TorrentFreak asked Associate Minister of Commerce Judith Tizard about the rationale behind the law, while pointing out the concerns over reliability of accusatory evidence. She declined to comment, stating she was unable to spare the time to respond, due to defending her seat.

Yesterday we posed probing questions directly to Communications and IT Minister Steven Joyce, but by the time of publication we have received no response.

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  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes

    I wouldn’t worry too much – it is for repeat offenders as I remember right? And there’s so many ways around it also if you pay a little money.

    -VPN service (creates a "tunnel" where all internet traffic including p2p is encrypted and originates at an Ip address that is not yours

    -Seedbox (a seperate server that downloads/seeds torrents – at very high speed to boot – so your home IP is never in the swarm)

    Or you could sign up for Usenet (you download from a server run by the Usenet provider)

    Or you can start using release blogs such as RLSBLOG, ZeroSec etc. – which are free and generally have better pre times than public trackers – and use direct download links for "hot" content such as movies, games and TV shows. You can either pay for RapidShare or whatever is applicable or use a program such as Universal Share Downloader or similar to queue the downloads… or use the "free" option (which is tedious). Torrenting old content isn't risk-free but people seem to get takedown notices for new stuff much more often than older content.

    Or you can join some private trackers – which isn't completely risk-free but does reduce risk to an extent.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/BenJones BenJones

      "Or you can join some private trackers – which isn't completely risk-free but does reduce risk to an extent."
      yes… remind me again. what has every person so far that's gone to court (and lost) over p2p involving bittorrent, has in common?
      Oh yeah, they were on private trackers. Oink, elitetorrents, MovieX.

      Isohunt, mininova, piratebay – all at least 4 years old, and still no convictions. So, why do you say these private sites are 'risk reduced' when the evidence says otherwise? I asked if they were safe almost 2 years ago (http://torrentfreak.com/are-private-bittorrent-tr…and you know, still no-one has been able to show any reason that they were.

      It also doesn't help that a large number, if not a majority, are run by people with little actual knowledge, relying on rumours according to the reports I've had.

      • Captain

        Seems to be based on the idea that the private trackers would be less of a target for prosecutors. However several private trackers offer exclusive content i.e which has the opposite effect.

        As to this new law. I'd see this as an opportunity for people to cripple their goverment, corporations or anyone they dont like. Stop moaning, start accusing EVERYONE.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/BenJones BenJones

          No, the ratonal that they're 'safer' is that they're hidden communities, that investigators can't get onto. Utter hogwash, as if you can get onto it, so can they, and they can probably do it easier, with their greater resources. Also, the nature of private sites just makes it easier to gather evidence, so they're easier targets that way.

          Safer? nope. For all you know, the tracker might be run by a media group. Honeypot systems have been done before, with scene FTPs you know.

        • Reasoned Mind

          There will always ALWAYS be a way around regulation and enforcement. I don't think the world's legislators really care much about that. What we are witnessing is analogous to the way law enforcement contained highway speeding or department store shoplifting. Both reduced or eliminated huge amounts of personal privacy. This process takes time as we regard the rights of all involved, not just the furtive copyright infringers.

          99.9% of the public couldn't be bothered to study and learn the kind of expertise necessary to pilfer digital content this way, and the bottom one-tenth of one percent will always find their self-esteem trying to beat "the man."

          But the path ahead is clearing. Once this is sorted and the rest of the world moves forward to productive creativity, if what you really want to do with your life is dedicate it to swiping encrypted files then hey, go for it. You'll be in an extremely small minority sooner or later.

          We are all human and perhaps you'll make a mistake and if they manage to catch you anyway, you'll be seriously fucked up.

          But I'd also respectfully suggest that if you want to dedicate your time and your expertise to screwing artists for a harddrive full of free movies as part of your life's work, then you are pretty fucked up anyway. lol.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/pirateprideWW pirateprideWW

        You're absolutely correct Mr. Jones. In fact, the articles you've penned on this subject have enlightened me and helped me to change my torrenting ways. I always try to get things on public servers first. There is safety in numbers and (relative) anonymity.

        You've also helped to turn me off to IP blockers like Peer Guardian. It's a rather ridiculous concept that's impossible to implement when you think about it – and actually makes it easier for anyone with access to the block list to find the more serious pirates, because what will PG users (for example) have in common? As a group, none of the blocklist IPs will be connecting to those PG users… so, by process of elimination, the anti-pirate just has to examine the group of IPs that isn't utilizing the blocklist IPs. You've just made their work easier for them if you use an IP blocker.

  • pink panther

    Do it!

    Can this be elevated to world law?

    Make the crackdown as hard and cruel as possible. Then, people might stop giving their money to the RIAA/MPAA. Until there is some pain associated with giving them money, this will continue until all common-law civil rights are stamped out.

  • yuriythebet

    too bad for new zealand

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/EZEE EZEE

      Really is a shame for NZ's people, but should be a lesson for the international community watching this farce.

      Just a matter of time now before thousands of innocents get disconnected, and i think we will hear the cry of injustice not just on sites like TF but other "normal/regular" media.

      People like the RIAA and their brother scum should remember the old saying:
      "Be careful what you wish for… you just might get it."

      http://www.eZee.se

  • CCC

    simple soultion . we just have to show those idiots the side effect of this laws.
    first get all the list of those idiots and their family . then spoof with they IP or account . with the laws of ‘Guilt Upon Accusation’ they get caught their carrier end . even if heir family get caught it still work .

    simple isn't it . can use to kick any politician you dislike

    • CCC

      additional ideas . another method will be spare rumor that certain politician / family member get caught . since no trial mean no one can prove whether the rumor is true or false . thanks to RIANZ , New Zealand going to be a fun place

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes

      Right… so how are you going to get their IP for their personal internet service?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes

    Us? … Who exactly is "us"? did you just admit that you're associated with someone else who holds your views.

    Well, well… read that how you like.

    • Man in tights.

      Meh relax.. hes a tool bag.. hes always on here saying stupid shit he has no idea about.. just wants to get a rise out of people. A Troll is a troll.. and if you dont pay the troll the toll.. you dont get no roll.. and if you dont get no roll.. you dont get very full..

      Anyway lets make one thing very clear.

      You CAN download via other peoples connection with no repercussion whatsoever other than the owner of the connection will be disconnected. This will accomplish:

      1. Downloading what you wanted. (Getting around the pathetic law)
      2. Showing the government how retarded they are by having innocents kicked off there connection.

      Theres a million ways to exploit.. which one will you choose?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes

        Well yes you can download off others connections: provided someone near enough to you has Wifi connected to the internet. And there are repercussions potentially to doing that BTW – it is possible for a forensic expert to nail you for doing that.

        I wouldn't call Reasoned Mind a troll actually.

        • Techster

          Im a network specialist and I have to say your wrong. If you know what your doing (Which isnt very hard) you will be gone without a trace. It isnt rocket science.

          On the other hand, sitting outside in your car with your personal laptop isnt the best idea either.

        • Reasoned Mind

          Thanks Nub. I'm in no way a troll. Nor do I work for any of the content creation industries. And like you, I want to help get this right according to what I feel and think is right.

          But it amuses me when lawbreakers complain about steps being taken to contain them. It's just moronic when some call for bloodshed. It's funny when folks like ROZE plead for organization but no one in the illegal DL community ever actually mounts an adult and well reasoned offensive of any sort. (my guess is that either they are too busy taking while the taking remains good or, just too small minded to really go about this in an recognizably mature fashion.)

          More than that, it reveals the remarkably narrow mindset of the folks here who appear to believe that anyone with morals or ethics have to be working for the RIAA or MPAA, and anyone who calls them out for the shortsighted and selfish damage they are doing to our privacy and privilege is inherently a troll.

          But best of all, anyone who advocates framing a neighbor via wireless hacking to get an infringed and illegal copy of ANYTHING is just a slimebucket by any standard.

          There never was any honor among thieves, the legislators are watching every word, and you guys are the poster children for the Dumbside of the Net. LOL

        • Im not real

          You realize your talking to a bunch of anonymous comments.. nobody is watching every word.. nor do any of these comments amount to anything.

          You think you have some kind of reasoned thought on all this and that your opinions ideas hold any more value then the others.. they don't.

          So what are you doing? Oh that's right your here to point out the fact that these noobs are doing anything real.. but you are? Your here to put a 'reasoned' perspective and call everyone thieves on this so important anonymous comment section.. because the authority's are reading and just maybe they will read yours and see the light..

          None of these may be true (as im sure you will dispute) but really.. it doesn't matter.. nothing you can say is going to amount to anything more then another retard across the net putting everyone else below them to sound cool.. or something.

          Thank you reasoned mind for your perspective.. you do SOO much for the P2P community.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dingo_RG Dingo_RG

          Reasoned Mind (the same troll in the past called 'Sam I Am');

          I will put here the same question that I did a long time ago to you and that you didn't want to respond:

          Could you explain me how I would be to feel motivated to support a multi billion corrupt industry (the RIAA) which has made ALL its fortune of STEALING and EXPLOITING the hard work and talent from the musicians, paying to the musicians only 7% to 14% from the sale of each album in the last 40 years?

          For me, any person as you (Reasoned Mind = Sam I Am), who protects and defends something as rotten as this, is simply a whore who doesn't deserve any respect at all.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          Do not forget that "Reasoned" Mind is also the same troll as "stfu" and "freetard." I agree, such people defend a vile industry, and I think that this makes them vile people as well. Such people, who are against The Pirate Bay, and defend the industry, want to kill a harmless mockingbird (The Pirate Bay) and want to support the predatory MAFIAA – surely this also makes them bad people.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dingo_RG Dingo_RG

          Roze;

          I had not realized that 'stfu', 'freetard' and 'Reasoned Mind' are the same person.

          You are right, these nicks always are posting the same nonsense, in the same way… that pathetic people, they are so MINORITY that need to have many nicks for trying to pretend that are more than ONE or TWO persons… very funny :-)

          I bet that each of these TWO idiots have on average 70 years of age… Their responses are typical of obsolete, corrupt and withered old people. :-)

        • fr33tard

          "Could you explain me how I would be to feel motivated to support a multi billion corrupt industry (the RIAA) which has made ALL its fortune of STEALING and EXPLOITING the hard work and talent from the musicians, paying to the musicians only 7% to 14% from the sale of each album in the last 40 years?"
          —————————————————————–

          i'm not reasoned mind but i will give you my take: if you think the industry giving artists 7-14 cents from the sale of each album is "stealing" and "exploiting" then i can only imagine what derogatory terms you'd have for freeloading pirates who contribute 0%.

        • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Dingo_RG Dingo_RG

          "if you think the industry giving artists 7-14 cents from the sale of each album is "stealing" and "exploiting" then i can only imagine what derogatory terms you'd have for freeloading pirates who contribute 0%."

          @fr33tard;

          Exist a big difference IMBECILE.

          SHARING is an UNIVERSAL RIGHT, and NOT a privilege; independently if this is done of digital way or physical way, and obviously, SHARING is a non-commercial operation, like so, profit or loss cannot be derived from SHARING, and NOBODY (including the useless and outdated RIAA) has been able to demonstrate the opposite.

          Did you understand MONGOLOID? or maybe; Do you need more explanation?

          With your rotten logic of that 'sharing is illegal' you are suggesting that EACH human being on this planet is a criminal, because obviously, EACH human being on this planet practices SHARING of digital way or physical way. This is a practice that is innate to the human nature… The copyright law MUST BE ABOLISHED, because is a stupid law; that don't represent to the MAJORITY of the people, this is a law made for protecting to a MINORITY of greedy, corrupt and rich people.

          On the other hand, the real thieves are the PARASITES of the RIAA, because their COMMERCIAL operations are completely illegal… Paying to the musicians so low as 7% of the profits… Why? Don't deserve the musicians to be compensated better?

          At least for me, paying on average 7% of the total profits to the artist is a SCAM and a ROBBERY.

          These persons, the PARASITES from the RIAA, MUST go to the JAIL, at least for that my person and the MAJORITY of the people (who are reading my post) pruned to return to believe in the justice system, before not.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          Not to mention that all of communication is pretty much sharing, since it is the sharing and transmission of information. Copyright polices the sharing and the transmission of information, so that it is also polices communication. Policing such transmission and sharing of information, as copyright does, effectively amounts to censorship. We, the people of this world on this Earth, share information to each other all the time, whether it is online, or in everyday real-life conversations, and when copyright law tries to step in and disrupt these conversations, these transmissions of information, it is the imposition of an overbearing censorship.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          The evidence so far that you are not "reasoned mind" is that you have poorer grammar, which is not good evidence. Also, The Pirate Bay does not make a profit and are not stealing, whereas the industry certainly does exploit the artists for their own profit.

        • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          The evidence so far that you are not "reasoned mind" is that you have poorer grammar, which is not good evidence. Also, The Pirate Bay does not make a profit and are not stealing, whereas the industry certainly does exploit the artists for their own profit.

        • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          The only evidence so far that you are not "reasoned mind" is that you have poorer grammar, which is not good evidence. Also, The Pirate Bay does not make a profit and are not stealing, whereas the industry certainly does exploit the artists for their own profit.

        • fr33tard

          my grammar is fine.

          you have no evidence pertaining to the pirate bay's profitability because the pirate bay refuses to be financially transparent. the trial will no doubt reveal the truth when the appropriate records are subpoenaed and picked through against the pirate bay's will.

          and finally, as a content creator myself, i would rather be exploited by a corporation in exchange for a little bit of money then exploited by pirates for nothing.

          "some" is better than "none".

        • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          First of all, sir, your grammar is not fine because you do not capitalize correctly, and you do not put the period within the quotation marks, and you incorrectly use quotation marks to indicate mentioning a word (or alternatively, sir, incorrectly using scare quotes), when you are actually using a word, sir.

          Second of all, sir, you have no evidence that The Pirate Bay is profitable at all, and besides, The Pirate Bay hires a firm to manage their finances for them; they do not deal directly with any of the money, sir.

          Third of all, sir, you have no evidence that you are a "content creator" other than that you are able to write comments in the comment space for TorrentFreak, sir.

          Fourth of all, sir, "to exploit" means "to use or manipulate to one's advantage" and thus, The Pirate Bay, which earns no profits, are not exploiting anyone since it is not to their advantage, sir.

          You sir, are incorrect, sir, which is a bad thing, sir. It may be in your interest to be correct next time, sir.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          First of all, sir, your grammar is not fine because you do not capitalize correctly, and you do not put the period within the quotation marks, sir.

          Second of all, sir, you have no evidence that The Pirate Bay is profitable at all, and besides, The Pirate Bay hires a firm to manage their finances for them; they do not deal directly with any of the money, sir.

          Third of all, sir, you have no evidence that you are a "content creator" other than that you are able to write comments in the comment space for TorrentFreak, sir.

          Fourth of all, sir, to "exploit" means to "use or manipulate to one's advantage" and thus, The Pirate Bay, which earns no profits, are not exploiting anyone since it is not to their advantage, sir.

          You sir, are incorrect, sir. That is a bad thing, sir. It may be in your interest to be correct next time, sir.

        • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          First of all, sir, your grammar is not fine because you do not capitalize correctly, and you do not put the period within the quotation marks, and you incorrectly use quotation marks to indicate mentioning a word, when you are actually using a word, sir.

          Second of all, sir, you have no evidence that The Pirate Bay is profitable at all, and besides, The Pirate Bay hires a firm to manage their finances for them; they do not deal directly with any of the money, sir.

          Third of all, sir, you have no evidence that you are a "content creator" other than that you are able to write comments in the comment space for TorrentFreak, sir.

          Fourth of all, sir, to "exploit" means to "use or manipulate to one's advantage" and thus, The Pirate Bay, which earns no profits, are not exploiting anyone since it is not to their advantage, sir.

          You sir, are incorrect, sir. That is a bad thing, sir. It may be in your interest to be correct next time, sir.

  • Easy solution to this.. download from every other connection you can. Watch NZ crumble.

  • well reasoned mind

    Forensic expert will find what exactly? A spoofed mac address on the wireless router log? And if they get your box then what? You have used a live distro to penetrate the router and external storage for your downloaded files. I doubt they will find a micro sd card hidden in your bell-end eh!!!!!!!!!!! he he he he he he he
    Instead of saying, some nonsense like " if you do that you WILL be caught " try saying, "watch what your doing and the chance of being caught is very slim"
    Now some people have been spouting, a load of poops over the ways and means to keep the net free ( as in freedom of speech, NOT free beer ) and saying that this site is very biased. Saying things like the following: Quote

    And that's ANOTHER law broken. And that will result in even further loss of privacy and due process while you bitch about that, too. Well done. This could not be going better. Break more laws. Keep going. Make this easier for us. lol

    So tell me reasoned mind, do you agree with the proposed laws that are being forced upon everyone?
    Do you agree with their business model?
    If yes to both then there is no hope for you.
    If no, then what do you suggest?
    Please remember this, just because something is law, doesn't make it right morally. If it isn't right then it is your duty as a human being to oppose that law. Don't be part of the sheeple congregation, better to be somebody for a day than be nobody for a lifetime eh!!!!!

  • Tango

    So I run a succesful company with one other competitor I could rather do without. Simple, accuse the other of copyright infringement and suddenly my other competitor has no interet and no business! What lunacy is this that could allow such a situation.

  • Gouken

    just accuse the judge and the presecutor aswell what they going to do then not follow the law?

  • Ghost

    First off, the best way to "Spoof" their IP addresses would be for TPB to purposely add theirs in as a "fake" peer as they do randomly anyway. If they amde sure that their IP's were more common than anyother IP, they would have to disconnect them, correct?

    I agree completly with what Ben is saying about private trackers, they may be moderated better, contain less virueses, ect, but youre more likely to be caught.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Binsy Binsy

    I honestly don't think this law will ever work. I'd just accuse every1 and make an even bigger mockery of this law than it already is. Guilty until proven innocent – what a joke.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Binsy Binsy

    I honestly don't think this law will ever work. people should just fake ip addresses and create havoc and make an even bigger mockery of this law than it already is. Guilty until proven innocent – what a joke.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Binsy Binsy

    I honestly don't think this law will ever work. people should just fake ip addresses and accuse each other and create havoc and make an even bigger mockery of this law than it already is. Guilty until proven innocent – what a joke.

  • colin MCrae

    @ Ben Jones
    Did peeps from the UK on TPB not get captured for sharing my game through that scum lawyers firm davenport and lyons?
    Private trackers are good for clean and upto date torrents, thats all. Well stated man. The sooner peeps realise that private is not clark kent the better

  • colin MCrae

    I am connected through spiritnet a new service provided from purgatory.
    Just incase you didn't believe it was really me :P

  • SableSlayer

    This is fucking ridicules! I don't even live in NZ and i feel outraged.

  • chronoss

    get out th eeggs, the rocks and pears and your chainmail arour, and FIGHT….
    rolls a D20…..TWENTY…Cirtical HIT on the PRIME MINISTER, HE is CLEAVED IN TWO.

    I can dream…..

    • chronoss

      oh and UNreasoned @ssmind when you over charge , gouge cause disruption in someones servive and they die cause they cant call an ambulance, who is responsible when its show later on the noob was hacked? Micrcrap, the ISP, YOU, THOSE LAWMAKERS, ALL OF THEM COULD GET SUED.

      The law as read has no such protection for such events and thats why the isps are screaming. ive just had my near death experience due to bell canada NOW YOU GO PISS OFF DUMBMIND (sub F ending in k )

  • Dan

    This makes me laught in a sad way. If you have enough money you can change the law. Thats doesn't sound like democracy to me :(

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/dxtr dxtr

    SHAME! BLOODY SHAME! Whatever happened to audi alteram partem and the whole principle of innocent till proven guilty. Being a student of the law, I am totally against this brutal piece of legislation. This has to be repealed!!!
    http://stuckinframes.blogspot.com

    • Christopher

      I'm betting it won't be repealed… but that it WILL be overturned by New Zealand's court over that 'innocent until proven guilty' thing that so many people around the world seem to forget when it isn't THEM being accused.

  • chronoss

    ok if they think we all are criminals ….then why doesnt every pirate on earth come join the united hackers association. they want you to be a criminal all you need are the right ……tools(no gov't pun intended)

  • bootycall

    This is whats gonna happen. NZ will realize that far too many innocent people are getting disconnected. thus several lawsuits later the whole program gets dropped.

    what ever happened to just killing the people that come up with this stuff????

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ess ess

    And hopefully when they see how badly it works, and how loud the public outcry is, they'll realize their mistake. I'm not sure about NZ law… is impeachment possible there?

  • Oldman

    who cares of some ANOTHER laws broken, when the basic civil rights are ALREADY broken?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

    One of the most disappointing things about this is the lack of some important information regarding this, mainly, scientific opinion polls. I think that the main opinion poll that could be conducted is one to see exactly how many people are aware of this issue. The second thing to see is how supportive or opposing are people regarding the law. The vote, after all, is supreme, and if it can be rejected by the vote, then it will not be there.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

    One of the most disappointing things about this is the lack of some important information regarding this, mainly, scientific opinion polls. I think that the main opinion poll that could be conducted is one to see exactly how many people are aware of this issue. The second thing to see is how supportive or opposing are people regarding the law. The vote, after all, is supreme, and if it can be rejected by the vote, then it will not be there.

    Roze
    http://www.10ch.org

  • www.TorrentSpy.cd

    Hope NZ legalize Torrents soon.

    http://www.TorrentSpy.cd

  • feck

    1945 – n.azi Germany loses the WWII
    2009 – n.azi companies rule the world
    :(

  • LakotaJames

    Best way to do it would be to simply accuse everyone in the country of file-sharing. Then everyone in the country would lose Internet access. And the government would be forced to repeal the law. Right?

    • arlanda

      Great idea :-)

      • LakotaJames

        Thanks.

  • elgeebar

    Since when has spoofing an IP address been illegal? Or did I miss that vote????

    Apart from anything else there are very legitimate reasons for IP spoofing.

    As with all things, it can be used for good and bad… You don't out-law something just because it can be used for bad! That is the rational of the MAFFIA trying to ban file-sharing because some people supposedly use it for bad!

    If something can ONLY be used for bad that's another case… but I suspect there are very few actual examples!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

    I'm in no way a troll.
    Your words provides evidence contrariwise. You use the name "reasoned mind" when you are not reasoned at all, you use empty dysphemisms like "freetard," and silly dysphemisms like the "Dumbside of the Net." Your "LOL" at the end is perhaps also evidence that you might be more interested in laughing than in actually having your comments taken seriously. Finally, you make inferences where there is no ground to infer such an inference, such as "narrow mindset." I really doubt that you actually take any of your own posts seriously.

    • fr33tard

      "I really doubt that you actually take any of your own posts seriously. "
      —————————

      says the loser who makes up a dozen aliases to agree with himself and almost gets banned in the process…

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

        Well sir, that is both a non sequitor, sir, and a tu quoque, sir.

        Non sequitor:
        What you, sir, have stated, sir has nothing to do with taking one's own post seriously, sir.

        Tu quoque:
        Whether I take my own posts seriously, sir, has nothing to do with whether you take your own posts seriously, sir.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

        Well sir, that is both a non sequitor, sir, and a tu quoque, sir.

        Non sequitor:
        What you, sir, have stated, sir, has nothing to do with taking one's own post seriously, sir.

        Tu quoque:
        Whether I take my own posts seriously, sir, has nothing to do with whether you take your own posts seriously, sir.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

        Well sir, that is both a non sequitor, sir, and a tu quoque, sir.

        Non sequitor, sir:
        What you, sir, have stated, sir, has nothing to do with taking one's own post seriously, sir.

        Tu quoque, sir:
        Whether I take my own posts seriously, sir, has nothing to do with whether you take your own posts seriously, sir.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

        Well sir, that is both a non sequitor, sir, and a tu quoque, sir.

        Non sequitor, sir:
        What you, sir, have stated, sir, has nothing to do with taking one's own post seriously, sir.

        Tu quoque, sir:
        Whether I take my own posts seriously, sir, has nothing to do with whether you, sir, take your own posts seriously, sir.

        • fr33tard

          i disagree.

          your credibility and thus the "seriousness" of your posts is called into question after it's revealed you've been fraudulently writing under numerous aliases in a pathetic effort to bolster your own psychotic musings and tin foil hat fantasies.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          What, sir, you fail to realize, sir, is that I speak of your seriousness, sir, which has nothing to do with my seriousness, sir. Also, sir, credibility is not the same thing as seriousness, sir.

          Also, sir, credibility has nothing to do with this, sir. Credibility, sir is relevant only to testimony, sir, not to opinion, sir, logical reasoning, sir, or musings/thoughts, sir. I am not claiming to offer any testimony of information that nobody else does not already know, sir.

        • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          What, sir, you fail to realize, sir, is that I speak of your seriousness, sir, which has nothing to do with my seriousness, sir. Also, sir, credibility, sir is not the same thing as seriousness, sir.

          Credibility, sir: believability
          Seriousness: quality of being concerned with important matters

          Also, sir, credibility has nothing to do with this, sir. Credibility, sir is relevant only to testimony, sir, not to opinion, sir, logical reasoning, sir, or musings/thoughts, sir. I am not claiming to offer any testimony of information that nobody else does not already know, sir.

        • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          What, sir, you fail to realize, sir, is that I speak of your seriousness, sir, which has nothing to do with my seriousness, sir. Also, sir, credibility, sir is not the same thing as seriousness, sir.

          Credibility, sir: believability
          Seriousness, sir: quality of being concerned with important matters

          Also, sir, credibility has nothing to do with this, sir. Credibility, sir is relevant only to testimony, sir, not to opinion, sir, logical reasoning, sir, or musings/thoughts, sir. I am not claiming to offer any testimony of information that nobody else does not already know, sir.

        • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          What, sir, you fail to realize, sir, is that I speak of your seriousness, sir, which has nothing to do with my seriousness, sir. Also, sir, credibility, sir is not the same thing as seriousness, sir.

          Credibility, sir: believability, sir
          Seriousness, sir: quality of being concerned with important matters, sir

          Also, sir, credibility has nothing to do with this, sir. Credibility, sir is relevant only to testimony, sir, not to opinion, sir, logical reasoning, sir, or musings/thoughts, sir. I am not claiming to offer any testimony of information that nobody else does not already know, sir.

        • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          What, sir, you fail to realize, sir, is that I speak of your seriousness, sir, which has nothing to do with my seriousness, sir. Also, sir, credibility, sir is not the same thing as seriousness, sir.

          Credibility, sir: believability, sir
          Seriousness, sir: quality of being concerned with important matters, sir

          Also, sir, credibility has nothing to do with this, sir. Credibility, sir, is relevant only to testimony, sir, not to opinion, sir, logical reasoning, sir, or musings/thoughts, sir. I am not claiming to offer any testimony of information that nobody else does not already know, sir.

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  • winsomecowboy

    corporate powergrab, transparant. Is nz's internet monopoly still up and running?
    Last time I was home they were trying to sell 'cable' via the phone line. Marketing bollocks.
    You voted national in. You deserve what you get, a bunch of oldboys with superiority complexes only matched by their pig ignorance as to how the interwebs operate.

    I'd go satellite before I paid telecom a cent.

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  • anon

    Every one is looking at it the wrong way. Like the previous article about this, there was a comments about welcoming this law and then exploiting it in the way the world have never seen. When you don't need any hard evidence to disconnect someone from the internet, then it is like the gratest thing ever. Goverment, RIANZ, all famous companies websites there and so on can be bring down very easyly thanks to this law.
    This will backfire into goverment and RIANZ face when they get all disconnected. Then they realise – it was very bad idea and restore the old law.
    Outcome of this fiasko: most epic lulz ever and total public humilitation of the goverment and RIANZ

    Let this law pass and then exploit it.

    • Stavros666

      I like how your mind works. I would love to see this law backfire in the Government's face. When all the politicians and their families find they've been disconnected they might have second thoughts.

      • anon

        It would be like big national sport: how many people can you get disconnected before the goverment realises what they have done.

        Great idea for new reality TV show ;)

  • Takashi

    You don't need to spoof IP addresses or anything else

    The article states that a mere accusation is enough to get people disconnected

    Protest by accusing everyone on you know of illegal filesharing (hell, even people you don't know), if enough people do this then it'll make a complete mockery of the law

    It'll be a crazy first few weeks as everyone gets disconnected

  • R00573R

    Wonder if somebody reported the legislators as being pirates would they get disconnected?

  • Logic

    Simple solution – accuse everyone in the NZ government of infringement.

  • fr33tard

    was your near death experience a drug overdose?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

    That is unlikely that Bell Canada can cause a drug overdose, unless Bell Canada stocks up on drugs. Do you happen to know that Bell Canada deals in drugs?

  • Christopher

    The loonacy of big government kowtowing to big media companies, and giving the regular person the shaft with a razor sharp pole, with razor sharp metal studs on it!

  • whats that smell

    Simple solution, accuse the prime minister of file sharing see how quickly he changes his mind, FYI the broken arm on chinese new year was prob karma for taking pplz internetz

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  • Smeggit

    I say when this law comes into place the first thing to do is report the government as sharing…

  • Det

    I laugh at how stupid they are.

    If they think that it'll stop us pirating, and will help the economy, they're thicker than they sound.

    We'll just buy servers overseas in countries who don't give a **** about piracy.

  • megaP2P

    And people will share illicit content in legal photos, if disconnected they can sue ISP:
    http://stegoshare.sf.net

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