Hadopi Plans Large File-Sharing Warning Increase For 2013

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January 23, 2013
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Despite having its funding cut by around 25%, budget predictions suggest that the French Hadopi anti-piracy agency will send out 1.1 million “strike” warnings in 2013 compared to 668,000 in 2012. At the same time, Hadopi have published new figures on how citizens are consuming both legal and not-so-legal content online and reporting successes in getting people back into official stores.

In 2010 France became one of the first countries to initiate a controversial “3 strikes” mechanism to deal with the issue of online media piracy.

The system sees rightsholder companies monitoring file-sharing networks for copyright infringements and alleged infringers’ ISPs pass on warnings. The system, administered by the Hadopi agency, has a stated aim of persuading citizens to buy content from official outlets in advance of them receiving a “third strike” and potential punishments.

Figures just published by Hadopi for 2012 are 613,271 e-mail warnings sent, 54,712 registered mail warnings delivered, and 305 cases sent for further action. But despite the high turn out, Hadopi intends to send even more next year.

According to figures reported by Numerama, the anti-piracy agency will boost its efforts by sending out a total of 1.1 million warnings this year, increases that are all the more surprising considering the 25% (3 million euro) budget cut recently imposed on Hadopi.

In addition to the usual music, movie and TV shows file-sharers, some of the extra warnings will also be issued to those accessing video games for free after the industry jumped on board the warning scheme last year.

But is the system working?

Following more than two years of strikes, Hadopi has just released its second report called “Piracy, and cultural uses of the Internet: Practices and perceptions of French Internet users.”

After interviewing 1,530 respondents the agency concludes that since the warning system was introduced the consumption of legal content has increased and consumption of illicit content has reduced.

According to Hadopi, since 2011 there has been a decrease in the number of users obtaining media online unlawfully, from 20% in December 2011 to 15% in October 2012. This 15% either exclusively access unlawful content or consume in addition to legitimate sources.

Overall, 87% of users say they access media from authorized sources, with 78% of users only downloading digital content from legitimate sources, up from 71% in 2011.

Hadopi reports that in particular music has done well, with 80% of users now reporting that they only access content from legitimate sources, up from 72% in December 2011. Video games (84%) and books (87%) also received a boost.

Just over half of all respondents (51%) said their main motivation to consume authorized content is to stay within the law, with 43% saying they do so out of respect for creators. Other reasons include obtaining a perceived higher quality product and a reduced risk of malware or virus infection.

But of course this data from Hadopi was achieved through a survey, so whether French Internet users are prepared to be completely honest with an agency that has publicly threatened to cut them off remains to be seen.

Whatever the outcome, Hadopi clearly sees sending out more warnings as the solution to even better figures next year.

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Anyone

any numbers on the increase of VPNs in France?
that should tell a better story on how “effective” this extortion scheme is
- Somebody
  
  I live in france and I don’t need to use a VPN at all. I direct download music and movies, and I torrent everything else.
  - ScrewEwe2
    
    I use a VPN for all interwebz interactions and transactions, in addition to employing multiple proxies for certain activities, and alway’s will, into perpetuity. Having your actual IP out there is unwise whether you may be viewed by some entities as a “perp” or not.
    - Nasty
      
      I am not saying that VPN is not effective. It is. Actually it is purely defensive and there go the saying the best defense is offense. Indeed the most efficient defense would be a massive boycott of at least the entire entertainment industry including cable and sat TV/Radio and of course the banks However I am afraid that we are facing a planet of sheepeole and that therefore we have to save their but once again with more radical mean. So stay back and enjoy the messy show.
  - Guest
    
    hell yea
- HaTh
  
  You and your VPNs, to the hell those awful laws.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Gear-Mentation/100003097514663 Gear Mentation

I access a lot of legitimate sources of media too, but sometimes I also buy it off the MAFIAA.
- Guest
  
  I see what you did there. Very good.
Benjamin

Living there and still sharing: I can tell you that French people are still using torrent (on private communities) or sharing with friends and family, which is by far the most effective and nice way of sharing :)

Hadopi is just a dead corpse trying to show it’s still alive, to ensure its survival in front of the government.
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  What you’re actually saying, then, is that I2P, F2F, and general VPN usage has increased in France?
  
  So what HADOPI is actually saying is that filesharing appears to have decreased on “detectable” channels?
  
  Nothing new to see here, then. It’s as predicted and shown to be the case in all other nations to be hit with strict anti-filesharing legislation. People begin to anonymize and encrypt instead of giving up.
  
  I am not surprised that HADOPI is singing praises about it’s own operation however. Any other organization under constant threat of being proved “useless” would do the same.
  - SoundnuoS
    
    No, that’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying sharing is done in private communities and between friends. Nothing about it increasing.
    - Guest
      
      Which is something that HADOPI claims they want to stop.
      
      Increasing or otherwise, this isn’t making HADOPI any more useful or any less pointless.
    - MadAsASnake
      
      Hardly a resounding success. They should do what they do in NZ and charge the rightsholders. Taxpayers should not be funding this.
    - Guest
      
      @MadAsASnake
      
      I think there’s the problem – New Zealand’s population is smaller so there’s less taxpayers to gouge. Considering how trigger happy rightsholders are they figured that sanity should actually take precedence and nip them in the bud.
      
      Not so much for France. I mean, it takes a sheer combination of cha-ching and stupidity to spend millions of dollars and take two years to sue the wrong person, of all things.
  - Whatever
    
    Hadopi did not measure anything (according to the article). It’s obvious Hadopi must be desperate.
    
    Their research method: “After interviewing 1,530 respondents” must be the worst they could come up with and the easiest one to manipulate without anyone able to verify those numbers.
    
    Hadopi interview:
    Hadopi: I am from Hadopi and want to ask you a question.
    French pirate: What’s a Hadopi ? I don’t use dope.
    Hadopi: We send warning letters and sue people who download after 3 letters.
    French pirate: So what do you want to know ?
    Hadopi: Did you illegally download any media last year ?
    French pirate: Of course not, What is downloading ?
    
    There is other information to see how much is shared. Like the information from trackers/seeders and the increased amount of letters sent. The need to send more letters by itself disproves their claim. The mission of Hadopi, like many obsolete organizations before, changed to survival of the institution itself. They need to prove they cleaned up the pirates while at the same time showing there an increased amount of work to be done.
    
    I am also 95% sure the next article about Hadopi on TF will contain torrent statistics to disprove their claims. VPN usage doesn’t have to be a big problem for statistics. Comparing French language specific torrents before and after would already be a good indication.
DarthTwitch

Hadopi sounds like one of Ryu’s moves. “Hadopi! Hadouken! Shoryuken!”
Guest

So in other words, they’re capable of sending off more notices with less money. Which means that whatever they were getting paid with before, they weren’t optimising their detection or notification processes.

Put another way – they’re doing more now that they’re being paid less, which means that they’ve been doing a lot less when they were being paid more.

Proof that it was never about anti-piracy; it was using the cry of “but piracy!” to rake in more taxpayer’s money, for laws that taxpayers never wanted and at their legal expense to boot. All that money to nab one person who wasn’t the infringer – money well spent eh?
- F3dd
  
  No ot means they were doing startup and setup before now they are running normally.
  
  Basic business operations.
  - Guest
    
    Two years to set up a scheme that sends out letters based on when and where they see fit to strike down random IP addresses? Really? HADOPI isn’t a business scheme; it’s supposed to be education, and it spent two years and millions of dollars in taxpayers’ money to sue the wrong person.
    
    Someone’s a little antsy now that their scheme has fallen under suspicion.
  - MadAsASnake
    
    Any business in the real world that offered this sort of return on investment would never have been implemented.
- Whatever
  
  The fact that the software business jumped on the bandwagon indicates that Hadopi is now also a privately funded organization.
  
  What the French Government doesn’t pay gets compensated by all the big corporations wanting to keep control in place (what is 3 million compared to the billions of the MAFIAA). From that moment onward the loyalty shifts from law to pay master.
  
  For the French its time to start your search engines… and find the corruption.
tonyj

Any facts and figures coming out of Hadopi will always remain suspect. Credibility is a problem with this organizations.
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  And that, I believe, is why french courts have so far treated the dozen or so cases which HADOPI has generated like rotten fish.
  
  [EDIT] As bobmail kindly informed, HADOPI has been throwing millions of taxpayer euros into the Seine each year all so they could haul one single person found to copy files before a judge and jury. They didn’t even catch a dozen filesharers, several years down the road.
  
  Mea Culpa.
  - Somebody
    
    Dozens ? Only one case has been treated so far…
  - bobmail
    
    “And that, I believe, is why french courts have so far treated the dozen or so cases which HADOPI has generated like rotten fish.
    ”
    
    Lying sack of shit, and you know it. A single case made it so far. Why you lie?
    - Anyone
      
      1 whole case?
      now that is millions of tax payer’s money well spent…
    - icec0ld
      
      1 case? Wow. That’s impressive. Time and money in the court from the tax payers wallet incredibly well spent /Rollseyes
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      All right, I vastly exaggerated HADOPI’s efficiency.
      
      I retract my statement and amend it as such:
      
      “And that, I believe, is why french courts have so far heard only one single case, treating the rest of the cases which HADOPI has generated like rotten fish.”
      
      That doesn’t exactly make for a standing ovation for HADOPI either.
      
      Funny. I didn’t expect a copyright maximalist to make the case against the great white hope of ip-based bandwidth throttling/suspension, but there we go. Millions of euro in taxpayer money wasted just so one person could go to court for copying a few files.
    - ScrewEwe2
      
      You’re getting to be a rude motherfucker lately Bob. Your time of the month?
    - Ktodd17
      
      now you are the lying sack of shit bob read the official count in the article there have been 14 cases and the french court is happy about it.
      
      http://www.pcworld.com/article/261910/french_antipiracy_authority_happy_it_has_sent_just_14_cases_to_court_in_the_last_year.html
    - Jimmy671
      
      You have the thick hide to call Scary_Devil_Monastery a lying sack of shit,when 99% of your comments consist of a deluge of
      verbal diarrhea.
    - Guest
      
      Oh, no, a single case! Imagine the billions of dollars saved because one pirate was – oh, wait a minute. The one person you nabbed at that cost wasn’t even the right person, dumbass! Hell, they could have nabbed a potted plant and you would think it was a rousing success!
      
      But what would you know? You’ve got Robert King’s jizz running down your face!
    - Guest
      
      “Lying sack of shit, and you know it. A single case made it so far. ”
      
      Why would you do this to yourself?
      
      http://www.pcworld.com/article/261910/french_antipiracy_authority_happy_it_has_sent_just_14_cases_to_court_in_the_last_year.html
      
      Do you ever just wish you could delete a post?
      
      And the “lying sack of shit” was actually trying to see your point of view on this.
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Way to put him in his place. Clearly the system works far worse than even those of us critical of it can imagine. You fucktard.
Guest

And of course, this has all revived the retail content market in France as can be seen at

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20965566
Mpharberts1

It is all about profit. That is how the Storming of the Bastille started and the French Revolution, The government trying to rob its citizens. Perhaps in the future another revolution will appear. Piracy will always be here, since it is the greedyness of Hollywood that it created in the first place. Years and Years ago, instead of afford reasonable priced cd’s they had to be expensive. What does a person do, they start to share. Piracy is not the fault of the people but of Hollywood.
- ScrewEwe2
  
  Learn something new everyday. I alway’s thought that the price of cake was the reason behind the storming of the Bastille. maybe the French Revolution could have been avoided if Marie Antionette had said “Let them eat Shit”.
  
  I must add though, that “Qu’ils mangent de la brioche”, or “Let them eat cake”, the phrase commonly misattributed to Marie Antionette, was however, according to best-selling English-language biographer, Lady Antonia Fraser in 2002, actually said 100 years before Marie Antionette, by Marie-Thérèse, the wife of Louis XIV.
  
  This information was gleaned from the Wiki article here:
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake
cupid_stunt

one effect they fail to mention is the ratio of business to private who were sent notices. i know a few businesses that were sent papers, but that was because they had open routers. these are now closed so no more free wifi. this has begun happening to cafe/bars as well. regarding private use, i see no change as friends still torrent openly, they are just more discreet and pick older more obscure content than the latest releases. france has protectionism in the extremes regarding dvd’s cd’s. people are getting fed up with seeing one price on the internet and having to pay a much higher price even between the likes of Amazon.uk and Amazon.fr, sometimes a dvd can be triple the price in france. there is a small but increasing trend of french people ordering from uk companies, posting to a uk address and then having it forwarded to france. even with the middle man it is still half the price.
- SoundnuoS
  
  Why send to a UK address? This is the EU, free movement of goods.
  - Anyone
    
    amazon disagrees
    - SoundnuoS
      
      So you’re stuck on the country-specific amazon if you happen to live in a country that has one?
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      @SoundnuoS
      
      “So you’re stuck on the country-specific amazon if you happen to live in a country that has one?”
      
      Not really. France is a “special” case. Google “Lang Law”. There’s a reason why France is considered the heaven of big distributors.
      
      “The Lang Law works as follows:
      
      The publisher decides on a price for its book and prints it on the back
      
      Booksellers are not allowed to sell a book for a discount of more than 5% below the publisher’s price.”
      
      – Quoted from wikipedia.
      
      If you want to be on the copyright maximalists good side you do not question this in France.
  - Scary_Devil_Monastery
    
    Copyright and Licensing.
    
    There is no “free movement of goods” as far as the french government is concerned. Amazon.uk does not possess a license to distribute in France.
    
    And Amazon.fr is then restricted further by the legislative regulation which mandates that the price of books (or, i suppose, media) must not be too low.
    The reason given is that the “struggling” publishing industry must be protected from unfair price dumping – such as that offered by a startup company content with lower margins
    
    .Hence the price of books on amazon.fr is a lot higher than that of amazon.uk. Which is why, like pirates, the french are increasingly trying to circumvent the artificially induced pricing. Sounds like an eerily familiar phenomenon…
    - SoundnuoS
      
      The french take their literature seriously. This is extra legislation on top of copyright though, not the result of copyright itself.
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  France is a very strange place. Indeed, it’s the last draconian holdout of the “Great Sacred Culture”. There is legislation in place which ensures a set ratio of material aired on radio MUST be in french, no official papers or documents unless they are in french, and the price of books is regulated by government in order to ensure the cost does not become too low.
  
  Although the brits may have created copyright it has found no home more welcoming than france.
  
  And the french are getting fed up with it. When HADOPI goes down it will do so in a very hard and spectacular way.
Anonymous

there’s a big difference between ‘reporting successes in getting people back into official stores’ and telling the truth. on top of which, somewhere along the line, something has to suffer (usually physical disk purchases) for increases in on-line sales. people cant and in the main wont pay for both! even more so, given the economic climate the world seems to be facing that, i hasten to add, was caused by big businesses, not the public, in the first place!!
VanGuardChopStick

This simply means more business for “real-debrid” & “alldebrid”
- Guest321
  
  Their prices are good but too bad they both suck.
Andrew Lee

Hell they should just send it out like so.

Hey! Get a fucking VPN already or stop downloading so we don’t have to deal with this shit anymore. THANK YOU!
Guest

But why would HADOPI need to send out 1.1 million more warnings? They said the first round of warnings ended piracy in France…
- MadAsASnake
  
  Clearly it needs to be ended more thoroughly.
- Guest
  
  They don’t need to send out 1.1 million more warnings any more than they had to send out warnings at all.
  
  They’re just scared now that the government realised that they didn’t need to be paid that much to send letters to random IP addresses.
Byte Master

Poor French people… a lot of them voted for Hollande because it was understood he was going to kill off HADOPI: http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/2012/01/19/01002-20120119ARTFIG00610-francois-hollande-veut-supprimer-hadopi.php

And here we are…. HADOPI getting lots of money and no sign of it being killed off.

Are we surprised? No.
Pelham123

“Just over half of all respondents (51%) said their main motivation to consume authorized content is to stay within the law, with 43% saying they do so out of respect for creators. …

But of course this data from Hadopi was achieved through a survey, so whether French Internet users are prepared to be completely honest with an agency that has publicly threatened to cut them off remains to be seen.”

This is the scary part.

This hand-picked group flat out told the big bad to its face that the main reason they use “authorized” content is because they believe it’s their only legal option. They don’t prefer buying. They don’t think it’s morally right. They’re just scared to use the current alternative.

They aren’t converted. They’re just off BitTorrent.

Hell, I avoid BitTorrent when i have other options. Does that make me a Hadopi success story?
MadAsASnake

The really funny thing is that according to this fully 15% of respondents were prepared to tell HADOPI they were pirating.
ThumbsUpThumbsDown

In France, Hadopi is Law; bad law, but law.

French Citizens had an opportunity to de-ball the midget who passed it; and, they’ve got the new megalomaniac on notice that they’re angry enough about HADOPI to turn him into canon fodder at the next electoral opportunity.

In America, SIX STRIKES has no basis in Law whatsoever!!

It is a strictly Administrative imposition of constraints and threats by five monopoly ISPs on 340 Million American Citizens.

Despite their Formal Public Standing as Monopolies, they actually had the BALLS to use a collusive private Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) negotiated among themselves to the detriment of Customers, as the vehicle with which to define the Internet rights of effectively ALL American Citizens.

The Corporate BALLS behind the scheme are outrageous!!

Yet, who do we de-Ball?

Where is OUR disgraceful little midget?

“There’s nothing new! This is old news in Paris!”, we are told.

From the point of view of Democratic Rights, Six Strikes is abundant evidence of just how much at risk American Citizens are of a complete forfeiture of Constitutional Rights.

Pray to God Americans still know how to get angry.
- Guest
  
  Not everyone is a greedy pirate, so uh, no. That won’t be happening.
  - Guest
    
    Not being a pirate does not preclude anyone from being incorrectly notified or sued. So your statement is useless.
Wckid

I just wanted to watch the Simpsons, fox doesn’t have it in Netflix but it was definetly on tpb, what was I to do?
Kalium

The issues with copyright law, along with economical stagnation and other issues, and governments trying to pluck everything they can pluck from the people,along with many other things, will make it so it’ll be like it’s 1789 again.
Guest

Hadopi is fascit.
- Guest
  
  Hadopi is fascist.
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