HBO Wants Google to Censor…. HBO.com

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February 3, 2013
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Every week Google is asked to remove more than four million URLs from its search engine. While these automated requests are usually legitimate, mistakes happen more often than one might expect. In a recent DMCA notice HBO asked Google to censor links to HBO.com, as well as several other legitimate sites and blogs.

hbo In common with many other websites on the Internet, Google has an obligation to remove infringing content upon receiving a valid DMCA request from copyright holders.

Starting a few months ago copyright holders drastically increased the number of notices sent, totaling more than 50 million last year.

While many of the submitted URLs do indeed link to infringing content, there are also occasional mistakes, often caused by automated filters. Not a big surprise considering the number of requests that go out, but these mistakes can still be quite embarrassing.

Today, for example, we stumbled upon a DMCA notice sent on behalf of HBO in which Google was asked to remove “infringing” links to ‘Eastbound and Down’ content in HBO’s very own store.

And that’s not the only mistake they’ve made.

HBO doesn’t like HBO

hbono

The same DMCA notice also lists various other legitimate sites, including Perez Hilton’s blog, Pinterest, MTV.com and IGN.com. All sites wrote reviews or news articles about HBO content, but there were no links to pirated content.

It is worth noting that the DMCA notice in question was sent by DtectNet. This is the anti-piracy division of MarkMonitor, the same company that is also responsible for tracking down BitTorrent pirates as part of the upcoming six-strikes anti-piracy scheme.

The good news is that Google appears to have caught quite a few of these erroneous claims, meaning that not all of the reported sites are censored. However, this task isn’t getting any easier as the number of notices continue to increase.

At least it provides us with content to write about, although with the text “Eastbound and Down” appearing in this article too, who knows how long it will remain indexed by Google….

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cgimusic

Can’t Google just stop indexing HBO’s website based on the number of copyright complaints received against it? Seems to me that that is what the copyright holders would want.
- Guest
  
  Agreed!
- zincink
  
  I didn’t know Google runs the entire Internet.
- Anon77
  
  http://www.google.co.uk/dmca.html
  
  That page tells you how to format a DMCA request and the email address to send it too. Wonder how many bogus requests will get through…..
CorDawg

They should be required a pay a fine or a processing fee for any invalid dmca request
- BuddhaFacePalmed
  
  Nah, to MAFIAA there’s no such thing as an invalid DMCA request. They’ve programmed this sucker of a software to hunt down infringing content. MAFIAA believes that computers run on magic, therefore all DMCA notices must be valid because their wizards (MarkMonitor) assured them it can’t fail.
  - Scary_Devil_Monastery
    
    Would that be the same wizards who apparently ensured them those who got caught infringing would be beaten with unicorn horns (as one particularly poetic commentator once said)?
    
    Because if so someone might want to tell the MPAA and RIAA that markmonitor may be less than honest with them – unicorns can only be caught by innocent virgins and that doesn’t leave Markmonitor with a lot of active tamers…
Shogunreaper

They should have done it, and then make them pay to get it un-done.
- ScrewEwe2
  
  Agree 100%
- Guest321
  
  Agreed. Google is doing themselves no favor my protecting these copyright trolls against censoring themselves. This will make these trolls even more fearless knowing if their automated system fucks up, Google will correct their mistake.
  - Scary_Devil_Monastery
    
    Well, I don’t know…
    
    Google right now is obviously going above and beyond what any court could reasonably demand in trying to fulfill copyright holder’s requests.
    
    Google is also documenting every takedown notice.
    
    Google is also calculating the ratio of false claims and collecting these in an open database.
    
    Now, If I were in a position of real power and was starting to get grumpy about unreasonable demands, I wouldn’t settle for sending invoices.
    
    I’d turn somersaults to show my own good faith while steadfastly collecting every shred of evidence of the masses of claims made in bad faith.
    
    Eventually there would be a court case in which I would then ensure to provide every evidence needed for all the victims of bad faith copyright claims to take the last nickle off the copyright enforcement agencies sending them – unto the third generation down the road.
    
    And you have to wonder. Google has been extremely astute about collating statistics and verifying these claims. To a point where it’s likely they expend significant resources – a minor department – doing nothing but handle these requests.
    
    If deniability was all Google was after, why even bother documenting this and creating statistics? Why publish?
    
    I could be mistaken – but for some reason adding up what Google is doing I somehow seem to hear this mechanical ratcheting sound, as from a heavy angled blade slowly being hoisted…
- DRam
  
  No doubt, they would deserve it, the thing is,
  if Google would remove every DMCA request,
  any copyright troll, like those ones who write here,
  probably will also send their requests everyday.
  
  At least Google is not lazy, as these companies which use softwares
  and they manually check every request.
  
  Anyway, Google is turning in the Rapidshare of search engines.
  ‘Digital Coffins for free’.
- lakawak
  
  Yeah…becuase Google isn’t ALREADY under enough investigations about using their search monopoly maliciously.
  - Scary_Devil_Monastery
    
    Monopoly?
    
    Because no other search engine has been willing to use the google model?
    
    Because no other company has the balls to even start?
    
    Because todays multibillion dollar companies don’t have the chutzpah to take on a corporation started less than 20 years ago by two guys in a garage?
    
    There are many things which can lead to an effective market monopoly, legally speaking. Legislation such as copyright is one. Scarcity of goods another, license issues yet another.
    
    But I very much doubt you can make a good case for market monopoly with the words “No would-be competitor has the brains of a fried jellyfish”.
    - zarggg
      
      Google wasn’t started by two guys in a garage; that was Apple. Google was started as a doctorate research project at Stanford. :-P
      
      But other than that, yes, you hit upon it quite nicely.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      “Google was started as a doctorate research project at Stanford. :-P”
      
      Two guys in a computer lab then. Mea Culpa. Point being that all of Google grew out of beginnings which couldn’t have been more humble. It literally grew from nothing.
      
      Which makes them a true Nouveau Riche in a market which make the previous gatekeepers look like fragile old men creaking in every joint who might break if they turned around too fast.
DutchGuest

“The good news is that Google appears to have caught quite a few of these erroneous claims”
I fail to see how that is good news, because this way those scummy corporate puppets @ HBO will never learn that they need to stop screwing with the people who are usually their best customers.

I agree with Shogunreaper on this; Google should just censor the results, and when people complain, point them at HBO, after all, HBO filed the false DMCA claims.

HBO wants to fuck around, so let them suffer the consequences.

If Google just complies with the DMCA notices HBO sends out, the people affected can sue HBO for abuse of the DMCA.
And if HBO wants it’s links returned, they can pay a fine for the abuse of the DMCA system, or their links remain censored.

Sounds like a win/win to me ^.^
Guestz0r

This is just becoming silly now, really. If I was in Google’s shoes I’d remove those links from index. Error or not, I don’t give a shit, double-check report before sending it, manually if you need. That’s what you keep saying to all these filehosts these days, no? Monitor every file which is being uploaded to your servers so it won’t be infringing. And last, but not least, add a nice $25-$50 fee PER report. Then lets see if bastards will continue to abuse their power.
- Anon77
  
  Exactly. Google has become the judge as to what urls they think are mistakes and which are not which should not be the case. Google would have less urls to deal with after bogus claims started to affect the companies connected to making them.
- lakawak
  
  And then google becomes a company that removes every link no matter what. So anyone can demand any site be taken down.
  - The_Doorman
    
    Isn’t this what the copyright trolls are already doing? I seem to recall any number of articles saying certain members of the MAFIAA were sending take down notices to content that was not even theirs…
Joshua

If HBO wants their links removed from Google, why should anyone argue with them? Let them do what they want. They’re the ones being hurt!
saul

“The good news is that Google appears to have caught quite a few of these erroneous claims, meaning that not all of the reported sites are censored.”
Better news would be that Google censor all of the reported sites — then maybe Perez Hilton’s blog, Pinterest, MTV.com, IGN.com and everybody else would stop reviewing HBO movies for fear their entire site will be de-referenced.
- The_Doorman
  
  This speaks volumes about the old adage “Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it”.
  
  They wished to have these sites removed from Google’s indexing service for infringing content. Therefore, those sites should be removed, according to their wishes.
Ardvaark

“The good news is that Google appears to have caught quite a few of these erroneous claims,”
Nah, they should have censured themselves. Let them shoot themselves in the foot. Sooner or later they’ll realise their wrongdoings when it hits home.. nor not and simply fade (yay darwin).

It just goes to show how wrong the current laws are that you can not only send false claims without repercussions, but you can also use them offensively on competition and other legal business.

And it also shows how trustworthy the 6 strikes policy’s notifications will be.
ken147

They should censor it :D
Panda

Yesterday I was on the New Jersey turnpike eastbound and down below the overhead section by the Newark exit I saw a stray cat with a new litter of 8 kittens.

There! That will get you banned TorrentFreak!
- zincink
  
  Dear Panda,
  
  You made a copy of a cat. This is a cease and desist letter claiming we can send you to copy jail and take the copied cat for our records to prove you are an evil human being.
  
  Signed,
  Robot.txt
zincink

They should be lucky they get free exposure without having to pay advertising fees. If nobody watches or even know the show exists they can’t get funding. Go ahead and keep sending robot emails. Playing Internet police is moronic and shows the masses that you are greedy f$:)s. HBO should be happy anyone wants to watch it in the first place. TV is dead.
Las

They should acuallt take a realy small fee for each takedown request. then maby the lobby will stop using automated takedown requests ^^
- lakawak
  
  YEah! Google should break the law! Demand a fee to follow the law! Great idea. Can I do that? I won’t speed if my city gives me money!
  - Guest
    
    How is demanding money to prove your claim is legitimate breaking the law? Hell, they already do it for six strikes! “Pay us $35, or you’re definitely guilty! If you pay up, MAYBE you’re not guilty, but don’t hold your breath.”
- The_Doorman
  
  It would make more sense to charge them a fee for each take down they send, which they would like Google to ignore. “We sent you a take down to HBO.com, but would like you to ignore that one. Sorry for wasting your time – send us the bill.”
  
  They should also be charged a fee for each take down for which Google has determined that no infringing content was on that page… “You asked us to take down a site which had no infringing content. Here is a bill for the work we had to perform, which was necessary to determine your claim was fraudulent”
http://www.facebook.com/nick.broadhead.9 Nick Broadhead

Why doesn’t google just be a nice boy and take down such links to HBO’s stuff? in fact, they should be proactive and go ahead and remove EVERY link to HBO’s site, since it’s obviously a rogue site who hosts infringing content.
- Anonymous
  
  And if they complain, tell HBO that they need to take the matter up with HBO’s legal department, so HBO can settle their dispute with HBO regarding HBO infringing HBO’s copyrights.
  - uknj
    
    Yo Dawg
    - 2013
      
      :DDD
John Space

Don’t do it, H! You’re too young to commit suicide!
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jdjdjdjdjdjjdjjjjsjsjsj

Is there a search engine that doesn’t filter out dmca links?
- ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt
  
  Not sure, There are probably a few search engines that don’t receive very many DMCAs though; it’s a double edge sword though, because they tend to be the less popular search engines and haven’t indexed nearly as much content as Google has.
  
  here:
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines
- Anonymous
  
  It’d have to be one that isn’t in the US. And it’d also have to not care about obeying US law. And the people running it would have to be ready to deal with SWAT teams in helicopters breaking into their houses and “arresting” them for not respecting the laws of a foreign country.
  
  Basically, you’d need The Pirate Bay, except for websites instead of files.
Masau Fuku

“The good news is that Google appears to have caught quite a few of these
erroneous claims, meaning that not all of the reported sites are
censored.”

That’s only good news if they only ignored the claims to sites other than HBO that were wrong – the HBO links should have been taken down as requested. I mean, it was correctly identified and if HBO says it doesn’t want it up, who is google to disagree?
Andrew me

Google is hopefully setting the whole DMCA system up for a massive attack via the courts. If anything the DMCA has been a system that has hurt the copyright monopolists more than piracy could every have hurt them.
anonymous

‘It is worth noting that the DMCA notice in question was sent by
DtectNet. This is the anti-piracy division of MarkMonitor, the same
company that is also responsible for tracking down BitTorrent pirates as part of the upcoming six-strikes anti-piracy scheme.’

and this is a perfect example of the screw ups that will definitely happen, even though the people in charge state there wont be. if a company cant get this sort of thing right, how the hell can it be entrusted to do what it is supposed to do correctly when there are so many peoples internet connections at stake, when false accusations can and will lead to fines and jail time on top of disconnections
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  Ssshh!
  
  The pro-copyright brigade will hear you. And order the people at markmonitor to smite you down with lightning bolts and fireballs.
  
  And see to it that Santa brings you coal this year.
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DMCA is a Sham !

Sending out DMCA’s is like arresting and imprisoning random people that look similar to people seen on an extremely low resolution out of focus security camera in a shopping store at around about the time someone might have stolen a massively overpriced poor quality item of clothing that is strangely unavailable to buy in many countries until its out of fashion.
Foff

Of course stupid google checks what they censor. If they started to censor right and left as a search engine they would not be worth a shit and would not make money. As it is we need a pirate search engine google is becoming worthless for us. I don’t know what country a search engine like that could be based in though, It would need be a country that could tell all copyright orgs to fuck off. Don’t know if there are any countries that can boldly do that anymore.
- DMCA is a Sham !
  
  Iran. Syria, N. Korea
JordanKratz

Google should just start taking down MAFIAA Own Links when they Complain DMCA.
Charge them money to put them back up on google.
Violated0

It is worth noting that the DMCA notice in question was sent by DtectNet. This is the anti-piracy division of MarkMonitor, the same company that is also responsible for tracking down BitTorrent pirates as part of the upcoming six-strikes anti-piracy scheme.

And there we have an industrial level involving thousands of truck hauling manure pumped straight into the world’s largest and highest speed rotating fan linked to its own nuclear power plant with the result being vast shit being tossed over North America in what they call the 6-strikes scheme.

Clearly a big news story when the company charged to accurately track infringement can’t tell the difference between real infringement and official media supply. Just imagine those notices…
- lakawak
  
  If you get caught 6 time,s you have no one to blame but yourself.
  Here is an idea…MAKE something of yourself. Stop embarrassing your mother with your “WAAAH! I am a 5 year old little bitch who feels ENTITLED to everything even though I don’t matter in ANY WAY to soceity and therefore have no money!”
  When your own mother wants you dead, as yours does, you knw you have screwed up in life.
  - 2013sUxAlready
    
    -.- omfg STFU GTFO
    
    Oh wait you already nutted all over the comments section. Seriously fuckface. What the hell is your major malfunction? Nolife? Do you get a kick out of badmouthing every blog you come across? Personally attacking the TF staff? Troll is so obvious it hurts.
  - Scary_Devil_Monastery
    
    “If you get caught 6 time,s you have no one to blame but yourself.”
    
    Correction – if you get caught six times you have no one to blame but any of the neighborhood punks you pissed off lately or who thought getting someone nailed was a great joke.
    
    Assuming you are the unlucky owner of the roughly 90% of commercial routers susceptible to the reaver hack.
    
    But hey, feel free to trawl the thread a little more. And if you manage to invoke Godwin’s law within three posts I hear the Forum Troll Lodge will give you a nice gold star to wear in your neckbeard.
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      Mussolini liked copyright.
TenkJenk

I really dislike HBO. I cancelled them the day they cancelled The Sopranos!

ub-Anon.tk
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Anon

I hope it gets a lot worse. I really do!

When Google search engine becomes a lot more worthless than already is, perhaps people will stop using Google services or at least require DMCA notices to be sent by FAX or MAIL, not in eletronic forms.
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guest

Obviously the RIAA hunt dogs never heard of a whitelist. It would solve some of their mistakes.
- Techanon
  
  for how it looks I think they’re relying on Google whitelisting on its end.
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  Obviously the RIAA “tech company” appears to consist of techs who could land no other jobs.
  
  It’s a low treshold right there.
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http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ミッコ

Google should have removed them from the search index
guest

Easy idea

Charge $10 per report

Refund only the legitimate complaints. With the large number of false reports the money made from the false reports could easily fund more workers to manually check over the links – Basically, improving how quick Google can act on the reports, their accuracy, and helping the economy by creating more jobs. (Essentially, everyone wins! The corporations get their quick removal of infringing content, we get the accuracy, and some new jobs are made.)

And, if a company reports their own websites to be blocked then block that site anyway – Afterall, it’s what they want.
Guest

Call me bold but I seriopusly believe that google should just start unindexing at lest a few of these obvious mistake notices for a short while and let their traffic drrop for a while.

If HBO wants to use awful robots to spam google with trash notices and wants to have HBO blacklisted from the search giant, then maybe doing just that would be the only way to combat the grave issue of rampant irresponsible automated notices.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Spycrab-Spy/100003325871905 Spycrab Spy

google should just block everything
maybe then these idiots will get fired by the media companies
http://www.facebook.com/jon7272 Jon Holliday

no trolls i see to red faced lmfao
NewClear

Christ.. we already learned from youtube’s content ID that automated DMCA systems always screw up and in doing so, censor non-infringing content. When these cease and desist notices are sent, the authorized agents always swear under penalty of perjury that they are correct, but when they lie or fuck up, absolutely nothing is done to hold them responsible. The result is bolder, more frivolous, careless takedown notices. Sooner of later these false DMCA claims will have to get out of hand and force lawmakers to address this silly, flawed means of enforcing copyrights online.
SluttyMary

Why aren’t there fines for false claims?
- icec0ld
  
  A fine for a business in a law designed by that business? Yeah. Not happening.
Darkhog

Wat,
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lakawak

Perez Hilton often does have links to offending content and then removes them. So to say that they flagged him erroneously is not necessarily true.
But then again, this is torrent freak. And no one mistakes you for professionals, or journalists, or intelligent.
- Scary_Devil_Monastery
  
  Funny. Not one single post from “anon” for quite some time – and yet I recognize this shrill timbre of irrelevant nonsense meant to offend…
Joe

This article is pointless, it’s a simple error with the scripts…
- The_Doorman
  
  First off, the company that sent those take down notices does this as one of the services they offer. If that’s one of the things they do as a business, they should be getting it right – or their clients should find a company who does a better job.
  
  Secondly, that is the problem with running scripts – where the purpose is to remove content from Google’s index. That’s something which should not be automated. There should be a person making sure those sites do, in fact, link to infringing content. An actual, live human being. Running a script for this will inevitably result in these kinds of errors.
  
  Lastly, there seems to be no penalty for companies sending fraudulent or incorrect DMCA take down notices. They are just spamming Google with take down notices, and expecting Google to go through them and disregard the fraudulent ones, free of charge. Google should either take down ALL of the ones submitted – or charge a fee to have to do work of their own and sift through the deluge of requests necessary to separate the fraudulent ones from the legitimate ones. (And the fee should be a graduated fee – so $1 for the first time, $2 for the next, $4 for the following, $16.. and so on) That would be a good way to ensure that only legitimate DMCA take down notices are filed.
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bno112300

I’m really pissed off with google for this, because they aren’t obeying the law.

The DMCA clearly states that it’s a felony to send a false DMCA notice to a website, google should be reporting these requests so that the system can work as intended. (or, at least closer to it)

captchas on DMCA requests would be nice too.
- commenter8
  
  There should absolutely be captchas on every DMCA request. It’s amazing that Google still hasn’t required this yet.
  - The_Doorman
    
    This. (I don’t ever recall posting a “this” comment before – but what you said really sums it up)
Shirshak

Google will be mad one day
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guest

Maybe they’ll censor themselves out of existence?
ss

well in this case if they want their own content censored, and it was issued by the mafiaa and friends, it probably was not a mistake as surely they would make sure that their own sites are not removed. I would just have removed them as asked in this case and said well it is ur content on ur site so ok…
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bbbb

Will google censor itself?
bbbb

HBO wants google to censor HBO wants google to censor HBO wants google to censor HBO wants google to censor HBO wants google to censor HBO wants google to censor HBO wants google to censor HBO wants google to censor HBO wants google to censor…

A fatal error occurs BSOD
Thom

Google should have went ahead and removed the links anyhow. That would teach them!
Who

google should tell HBO to take there site down if they don’t want any hits.
Asashii

who uses Google!!!!
- http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ミッコ
  
  those who do not use bing or bing powered yahoo/altavista
Wormlore

Well, owning widely known and famous “content” is a thing of the past. The trend is now to accumulate obscure and unknown art so the value increase the less people know about it. “Value through rarity.” XD
John

Karma
frozar

Would be great to hijack one of those lists and inject “*google.com/*”. x/0
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alex

They need to remove the HBO links and this will help stop other companys from using automated software to find pirate links
ktkwon00

how hbo does it:google it, copy all links, send it
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http://www.facebook.com/Dekalog Blackest Sun

It’s like we’re stupid and don’t get their game. A big US corporation is
part of a big conspiracy meant to bring down to its knees another big US
corporation.
…by mistakenly overflowing Google’s job to filter out content. A bit like in the 90′s, when “hackers” used to DDoS servers.

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