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High Court Finds Newzbin Liable For Copyright Infringement

Newzbin, the Internet’s premier Usenet indexer, has lost its High Court case against several Hollywood movie studios. Justice Kitchin found the company, which turned over more than £1 million in 2009, liable for copyright infringement and will issue an injunction restricting its activities later this week.

The London High Court showdown between Twentieth Century Fox, Universal, Warner Bros., Paramount, Disney, Columbia Pictures and Newzbin Ltd ended earlier this month.

Mr Adrian Speck represented the claimants, with David Harris and later Ms Jane Lambert representing Newzbin. The case was heard before Mr Justice Kitchin, who this morning delivered his lengthy decision which is summarized below.

The claimants said that Newzbin is a site focused on piracy. It does this by locating and categorizing illicit copies of movies and displays the titles in its indexes, providing users who search for such items a facility to download the items with one click.

Newzbin conversely said that its site is a “content agnostic” search engine very much like Google, and is designed to index all of Usenet. It offers only hyperlinks, meaning that users can access material directly from their Usenet provider, an activity Newzbin plays no part in.

Mr Speck represented the claimants throughout the case but Mr Harris dropped out of defending Newzbin on February 10th when it became apparent he had acquired shares in Newzbin. Ms Lambert took over from him when the trial resumed on 2 March 2010.

The claimants used Andrew Clark, Head of Forensics at Detica Limited, as their expert witness. His description of Usenet was not challenged in court.

Newzbin is run by Chris Elsworth (aka “Caesium”), Thomas Hurst (aka “Freaky”) and Lee Skillen (aka “Kalante”). All three were, until recently, directors and shareholders in Newzbin.

Court documents give a perhaps surprising insight into the size of the Newzbin business. Its accounts for 2009 reveal that it turned over in excess of £1 million, yielded a profit of more than £360,000 and paid dividends on ordinary shares of £415,000. It has around 700,000 members.

Newzbin’s help guides were referred to in the decision. They state that the site can help people find what they’re looking for, “whether that be obscure music, tv shows, games or movies. Think of us as a TV guide, but we’re a guide that applies to Usenet.”

In addition to various features offered by the site, focus was placed on the function and offering of .NZB files – Usenet’s nearest equivalent to .torrent files. Expert witness Mr Clark demonstrated how they could be used to retrieve a copy of a Harry Potter movie via Newzbin with the Usenet client, GrabIt.

The titles of categories used by Newzbin to index content were highlighted, such as Anime, Apps, Books, Consoles, Emulation, Games, Movies, Music, PDA and TV.

Sub-sections of the Movies category were highlighted including CAM, Screener, Telesync, R5 Retail, Blu-Ray, DVD, HD-DVD DivX, XviD. A witness for FACT, the Federation Against Copyright Theft, explained in detail why some of these categories are a “strong indication” of piracy.

Newzbin has members called ‘editors’ who help to compile reports on material to be found on Usenet. Newzbin’s own documentation was used to show that the site encouraged editors to post links to movies. The verdict notes that to assist editors useful links to IMDb and VCDQuality are provided, the latter being useful to provide information about “screeners”.

Referencing rules that Newzbin publishes for the attention of editors, ostensibly to protect the site (i.e not posting NZB‘s which link to warez, movies or music), Justice Kitchin states that these warnings are “entirely cosmetic”, are not intended, nor are they adhered to. Newzbin knew that infringing copies were being made available to users and yet no action was taken against editors, he wrote.

Referring to groups indexed by Newzbin such as alt.binaries.warez, Justice Kitchin said he is satisfied that the term ‘warez’ refers to content protected by copyright from illicit sources. Newzbin, he said, is therefore designed to search newsgroups which contain infringing material, an assertion that Newzbin’s Chris Elsworth had no “satisfactory explanation” for.

Justice Kitchin said Newzbin “encouraged its editors to report and has assisted its users to gain access” to infringing copies of movies.

Newzbin was also criticized for its “delisting” or notice and takedown procedures, which were referred to as a “cosmetic” and “cumbersome” mechanism designed to “render it impractical” for rights holders to have material removed.

Justice Kitchin went on to reject Newzbin’s assertion that an insignificant amount of links in their database relate to infringing content. Around 50,000 reports (.NZBs) were checked and around 97% had a valid link to IMDb (TF: Kitchin apparently assumes that everything on IMDB is not free to share), 0.7% to Amazon and a further 1.5% were otherwise shown to be commercially available. Only 0.3% were not shown to be commercially available, evidence which the court found “extremely powerful”.

The verdict addresses in some detail whether Newzbin had knowledge of infringing material being made available via the site. Newzbin said they did not but would’ve taken action to remove items and take action against any editor posting such material. Justice Kitchen said “a very different picture” emerged when Elsworth was cross-examined.

A transcript of the questioning reveals Elsworth being aggressively cross-examined over the nature of the Blu-Ray category on the site and whether it would contain copyright infringing material.

“I am satisfied that Mr Elsworth well knew that these categories were primarily intended for new commercial films,” wrote Justice Kitchin, while referencing a comment made by Elsworth in January 2007 where he notes that Blu-Ray had “been cracked officially”.

The verdict also states that Newzbin was told that the site is being used to infringe the claimants’ copyrights, yet no action has been taken against those reports (NZBs), the editors that reported them, or users that downloaded them.

Justice Kitchin said that considering the structure of Newzbin, the way they categorize content and the way they have encouraged editors to report movies, he has no doubt that Newzbin knew that “the vast majority of films in the Movies category of Newzbin are commercial and so very likely to be protected by copyright, and that members of Newzbin who use its NZB facility to download those materials, including the claimants’ films, are infringing that copyright.”

For the claimants, Mr Clark gave evidence that it would be straightforward for Newzbin to restrict access to the Movie and TV categories on the site and/or employ a filter based on a list of titles provided by the movie companies. Justice Kitchin said that the Newzbin programmers are skilled enough to implement “an effective content filtering system.”

Justice Kitchin found that:

i) Newzbin operates a site “designed and intended to make infringing copies of films readily available to its premium members”.
ii) The site is structured to promote infringement by guiding members to infringing copies via NZBs.
iii) Use of the NZB feature “inevitably” results in the creation of an infringing copy.
iv) Newzbin encouraged and induced its editors to make reports of movies protected by copyright and assisted users to infringe by providing advice.
v) Newzbin profited from infringement.

Newzbin was found liable to the claimants for infringement of their copyrights because it authorized the copying of their movies, “procured and engaged with its premium members in a common design to copy the claimants’ films” and communicated the claimants’ movies to the public.

The claimants appear to be seeking a broad injunction against Newzbin which would prevent it from including any item which infringes copyright in their index. This would extend to all works, not just those to which the claimants own the copyright.

Justice Kitchin wrote that he will not grant such a broad injunction and would instead impose limits on its scope to restrain Newzbin from infringing the copyrights of those movies to which the plaintiffs own the copyright.

“We welcome the Court’s decision today,” said Ted Shapiro, the Motion Picture Association’s general counsel for Europe.

“Newzbin is a source of immense damage to the creative sector in the UK and worldwide. This is an important decision and it sends a clear message that websites focusing on providing viewers with pirated film and TV programmes infringe copyright and are liable for their actions even where those websites don’t themselves host the content.

“This decision will help to support the continued investment in new legal online services and the creation of new films and television shows for enjoyment by audiences both in the UK and around the world.”

Newzbin was given the opportunity to contribute to this and earlier articles, but did not respond to our requests.

The exact terms of the injunction will be announced later this week.

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  • Anonymous

    iii) That use of the NZB feature “inevitably” results in the creation of an infringing copy

    WHAT THE HELL IS AN INFRINGING COPY GODDAMNIT

  • MAFIAA

    Just pay for the stuff dude.

  • Newzbin User

    I fail to see this argument on the basis that Newzbin never rehosted infringing content and never had a way of knowing that the content on Usenet that their NZBs pointed to (Newzbin never rehosted infringing content) was not, in fact, done by the copyright holder or an authorized agent.

  • mvegetto

    So when does the industry come with a new business model?

  • SuperDude

    -quote-
    Court documents give a perhaps surprising insight into the size of the Newzbin business. Its accounts for 2009 reveal that it turned over in excess of £1 million, yielded a profit of more than £360,000 and paid dividends on ordinary shares of £415,000. It has around 700,000 members.
    -quote-

    It’s all about money, no ideology at all! They should have invested that money to create legal alternatives? Pretty sure they used it for cars, Rolex and other enjoyments.

  • 2nd-Newzbin-User

    Yeah, the movie industry posts itself R5 and BlueRay rips of the movies and tv shows on Usenet.

    Holy crap!

    If I would take a look on my bank account and see a 1,000,000 I would start asking myself: How the hell do I generate all this money.

    Wouldn’t you be surprised if you would get 1,000,000 a year for linking to non-copyrighted content?

  • Anonymous

    ‘Wouldn’t you be surprised if you would get 1,000,000 a year for linking to non-copyrighted content?’ Google make a hell of a lot more than that from the same.

  • 2nd-Newzbin-User

    @Anonymous: Sorry, I mean non-copyrighted video content. YouTube looses 400 million per year with the same (although there are still alot of infringements on their platform).

    Got it now?

  • A literate poster

    I for one can’t wait to see
    “…new legal online services and the creation of new films and television shows for enjoyment by audiences both in the UK and around the world.”

    This will obviously mean an end to regurgitating the same old tired formats of TV shows and film remakes won’t it?!

  • Fugasmic

    Hmm – To be honest, I have little sympathy now for them, especially after the revealing information about the amount of money they were making. To be honest though, I stopped using the site a long time ago, as there are better free sites out there (who obviously aren’t paying themselves large dividends).

  • GrX

    what they should do now which every torrent site which gets shut down

    their should release their source code to the open source community where millions can continue

    to this day there is not a single nzb script available like torrent sources.

    Without the Scripts made public you’d not have the 10000′s of trackers there is today

    so why don’t these nzb sites release their scripts and we can continue where they screwed us.

  • Grok

    Justice Kitchen is an incompetent twat who should be disbarred for life.

  • Rabbit80

    So now you can be held responsible for copyright infringment WITHOUT actually infringing? So that leaves EVERY search engine liable then?

  • Me?

    @2

    Hehe Looney proposal.

  • It’s Not me, It’s YOU

    “Mr Harris dropped out of defending Newzbin on February 10th when it became apparent he had acquired shares in Newzbin. Ms Lambert took over from him when the trial resumed on 2 March 2010″

    Naughty…representing clients he has a financial interest in.
    Obviously, of course, he did the right thing eventually, but why didn’t he refuse the case in the first place?

    Of course, the judge ‘could’ have been ‘bribed’

  • Grammar!

    2nd Paragraph – Mr.Speck
    5th Paragraph – Mr.Speak
    Which is it? lol

  • Anonymous

    @13 So now you can be held responsible for copyright infringment WITHOUT actually infringing? So that leaves EVERY search engine liable then?

    Seems so but I take it the defining points were that the way that Newzbin categories news posts. But even then it’s only a post link not the hosted post content.

    @10 Hmm – To be honest, I have little sympathy now for them, especially after the revealing information about the amount of money they were making.

    What the fuck has making money got to do with sympathy? They provided a useful service that you subscribed to if you wanted it, if you liked the service that it was a job well done. It was a good site that had a small subscription. How much they made has very little relevence into why someone subscribed.

  • Dizzy

    “This decision will help to support the continued investment in new legal online services and the creation of new films and television shows for enjoyment by audiences both in the UK and around the world.”

    what a loser, if they had put money in online services people wouldn’t have to resort to piracy…
    But ofcourse the movie undustrie lives in an upside down world…

  • Anonymous

    Thats what happens when you use incompetent barristers.

    They performed the legal equivalent of taking a knife to a gunfight.

  • Trixx

    @2
    dude. DUDE. Duude. dude.

    surfs up, dude, you’ve been found trolling, dude.

  • BlueSamurai

    I find it funny that 60% of the people who downloaded Avatar and liked it went to IMAX and paid a huge amount of money to see it, and then paid money to get it on Bluray.

    What people don’t understand is, usenet and torrents will never, ever, ever die, and they actually filter the fans in, because people who download games and really like them, will buy them if they have the chance.

    And online games like Modern Warfare 2, there were many mixed reviews, so people downloaded the game, saw if they liked it, then paid the HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY for the game to play online.

    But to JUSTICE KITCHEN it’s all O LAWDY HIGH CAWTS THE MOSHUN PICTYA ASSOSEEAYSHUN IS LOSIN THE MONIES O LAWDY PLEASE MISTER JUDGE HELP US

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  • SomeGuy

    @18

    Learn to make analogies that make sense. Bringing a knife to a gunfight gives you a disadvantage, not an advantage.

    Hurr durr.

  • 343423

    1 million in 2009

    sites like this and even the mighty rlslog and piratebay
    makes

    MILLIONS a yr …i wonder wat people use there services for

  • POW

    I don’t see why people use these sites anyways. Isn’t it just as easy to use a predb and search for yourself? One less way to get caught in a legal snafu.

  • ChrisSaw

    @22

    His analogy made perfect sense. He said the barristers for Newzbin were incompetent, bringing a knife to a gunfight, which put Newzbin at a disadvantage. I personally disagree with @18, but the post was consistent with his opinion.

  • Anonymous

    Is it just me or is Newzbin no longer working for anyone?

  • Ninja

    They do not profit from the infringements but for providing access to usenet. I’m sorry to hear the judge is as retarded as MAFIAA. I need to find a replacement to retarded, it’s not quite right =/

    “This decision will help to support the continued investment in new legal online services…” – yeah, and call me Easter Bunny if the prices are gonna be sane. In fact, you can also call me Santa Claus if the money really is invested in expanding availability. Actually, call me Superman too if you actually get more money from restricting Newzbin (and Mininova etc) activities.

    heh…

    It seems usenet is taking its blow =/

  • aefa

    follow up on the US gov consulting the public on piracy…

    http://activepolitic.com:82/blog/2010-29-3/Copyright_Consultation_Document.html

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  • Anonymous

    “This decision will help to support the continued investment in new legal online services and the creation of new films and television shows for enjoyment by audiences both in the UK and around the world.”

    say it all really mr kitchin baught and pay for.

    Anybody who borrowed recorded a tv program over heard some cd is pirate guess that us all.

    if anybody has had such dealings with lord speak up he might be guilty of this too. lets hang this bugger out dry with his same dirty underhanded tactics.

    Utter scum well done kitchin adolf would be proud.

    fyi tcp/ip connection not distribution technically it a transmission.

    ad besides it all IMAGINARY PROPERTY.

    IN THE MORNING

    SHUT UP SLAVE

  • Spits On Ground

    “This decision will help to support the continued investment in new legal online services and the creation of new films and television shows for enjoyment by audiences both in the UK and around the world.”

    I’d love to spit some beechnut in that dudes eyes.

  • Anonymous
  • mehh

    If there was to be any investing in ‘new legal online services’ it would have been done already.

    Dont insult us please, you aren’t fooling anyone. Everyone knows what the industry will continue to do, and make no mistake, you all know what the users are going to continue to do as well.

    You keep wasting time and money, and we will keep downloading.

  • Anonymous

    Mehh is right … in the amount of time they took to MAYBE stop newzbin, 50 other sites opened … and this will continue until the day we all die. Shit, I remember using F-SERVES on the IRC back in the day for movies and games, and look where we are now.

    The only, and I mean ONLY way they are ever going to be 1 step ahead of the pirates is if they shut the internet down … and that’s ( Obviously ) never going to happen so it will ALWAYS and FOREVER be “Pirates” 1 Legal Teams 0

    Case closed.

  • Me

    ehh is right … in the amount of time they took to MAYBE stop newzbin, 50 other sites opened … and this will continue until the day we all die. Shit, I remember using F-SERVES on the IRC back in the day for movies and games, and look where we are now.

    The only, and I mean ONLY way they are ever going to be 1 step ahead of the pirates is if they shut the internet down … and that’s ( Obviously ) never going to happen so it will ALWAYS and FOREVER be “Pirates” 1 Legal Teams 0

    Case closed.

  • me

    Good riddance! They broke the first rule of Usenet, i.e. don’t talk about Usenet. They got what they deserved.

    Now, back to reading my favorite newsgroups with a good ole fashioned NNTP client.

  • Dia

    Hard to argue with that judge :)

  • darknet

    darknets!

  • Chatney

    When are they just going to take down Bing or Google.

    These Biz types just go after the easy targets, now if they went after Google and got it to remove all it’s indexs that point to copyrighted material then Google would eb no moew

  • Gargamel

    “Its accounts for 2009 reveal that it turned over in excess of £1 million, yielded a profit of more than £360,000 ”

    Good Riddance Parasites.

  • ?

    Wo, wo, wo, wo, wo!

    Are we to assume that index sites now have to download the complete usenet library and then check the files for copyright infringement before allowing an nzb to be posted that directs people to those files???

  • Mr Green

    I agree, i am angry at the revelation of the profits they made, i have not used them for long time for the same reason as already pointed out, there is better out there doing it for free and making no money from it.

    Long live merlins portal

  • Anonymous

    Simon Baggs? Didn he do social housing law? *fnarrff* top lawyer

  • neostyles

    Newzbin was also criticized for its “delisting” or notice and takedown procedures, which were referred to as a “cosmetic” and “cumbersome” mechanism designed to “render it impractical” for rights holders to have material removed

    This is exactly the problem with the takedown procedures of every other file sharing site.

  • Anon

    Rules 1 + 2.

    Follow them and this wont be repeated.

  • Anonymous

    tl;dr

    Just gonna boycott Twentieth Century Fox, Universal, Warner Bros., Paramount, Disney, Columbia Pictures!

    Do the same.

  • MAFIAA

    @ Trixx:

    Why do you think I don’t give a shite dude

  • RandomRob

    They will move on to target the main NZB index sites, sweep them aside and then move onto the newsgroup providers themselves.

    Its the beginning of the end for usenet.

  • anonymous

    The courts verdict seems to be balanced and fair. The message is clear: in UK compiling catalogues of clearly pirated stuff is unlawfull. Such activity has moved from ‘gray’ area to ‘black’.

  • GP

    This is good. Companies that profit from commercial piracy need to wiped out. They are the ones who give a bad reputation to all file-sharers.

  • Hans pandacunt

    The fact that they made money (and quite a bit by the looks of it) pretty much boned them as well.

    But fuck it, one falls another rises.

    next.

  • Soundwave [Have a Seasoned Rind]

    #22, SomeGuy

    But you can run faster with a knife equipped.

  • Anonymous

    Eh GP? you dumped your brain out your ass last time you took a shit?

    >Companies that profit from commercial piracy need to wiped out.

    You’re cool with anyone who sells/rents seedboxes being wiped out?

    After all they’re profitting from your piracy..

  • Cash

    Eh GP? you dumped your brain out your ass last time you took a shit?

    >Companies that profit from commercial piracy need to wiped out.

    You’re cool with anyone who sells/rents seedboxes being wiped out?

    After all they’re profitting from your piracy..

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  • thinker

    If they made money from piracy then they deserve everything they get.

    There’s a difference between sharing and profiteering.

  • The Judge is an IDIOT

    IMDb has absolutely nothing to do with the with copyright status of a movie, so Newzbin’s decision to include IMDb links on its index pages does not in any way suggest an intent to promote infringement.

    Most movies released under the Creative Commons Copyright as well as films whose COPYRIGHTS HAVE EXPIRED have their own pages on IMDb.

    Elephants Dream (2006)
    Link: imdb.com/title/tt0807840/
    Link: binsearch.info/viewNFO.php?oid=36481708

    The Birth of a Nation (1915)
    Link: imdb.com/title/tt0004972/
    Link: binsearch.info/viewNFO.php?oid=39069239

  • Anonymous

    Other NZB indexing sites will takeover, so the can and mouse game continues.

  • Will

    Yeah yeah sue google then you cowards!!

  • B

    Usenet is an open discussion forum that predates the web, it will not be shut down. The day it is is the day George Orwell’s worst nightmares come true.

    As Usenet has grown, finding stuff can be a challenge, so there is value in legitimate sites indexing its content and allow it to be searched. If you read the court transcript, where Newzbin fell down is that it went overboard with categorization, including movie star names in NZBs, not equally emphasizing the text searching ability.

    Most of all, as others have mentioned, they didn’t follow rules 1 and 2 of Usenet.

  • hmm

    “This decision will help to support the continued investment in new legal online services and the creation of new films and television shows for enjoyment by audiences both in the UK and around the world.”

    hah… right. I’m predicting that 5 years from now they will just barley be off the ground with a functional online service. I’m also predicting that it will look like a re-branded version of itunes; laden with proprietary DRM with price tags that are hardly competitive to the retail stores. Paying $5 to rent a digital copy of a movie for a couple of days is a pretty good deal don’t you think?

  • screw-anti-p2p

    Does this mean Newsbin lost in court and is going to be taken down?

  • screw-anti-p2p

    Does this mean Newsbin lost in court and is going to be taken down? or is this no the end for NEwsbin and they are going to fight!

    Long live file sharing!

  • GP

    @53/54:

    1. Learn to click. Double Posting is for Dumb Peons.

    2. Seedboxes sold to seed illegal material are profiteering, not sharing. They should be wiped out. The answer to your question would, therefore, be “yes”.

    If somebody is paying for a server to seed various Linux distributions, anything open source, public domain, or with a free-distribution license, then those are fine. Legal profit is okay. Illegal profit is not. Do you work for Madoff, or something?

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  • guenthar

    From what I remember is that Newzbin mostly made money on the software which there are many commercial Usenet programs out there.

    Them saying it would be easy for them to filter is wrong since there are many ways to get around a filter and also the filter will block things that shouldn’t be filtered.

    Like what was said above IMDB doesn’t just have copyrighted content. The verdict was based on an assumption so should be thrown out.

    Also the categories don’t mean anything if the person is just looking through the category for information on the Blu-Ray version of a movie.

    Remember that Usenet is text based and they just figured out a way to host binary formats on it. Non-infringing way to use Newsbin: I am looking for opinions on the DVD version of a movie I haven’t seen so I go looking for it on usenet.

    Also there was another assumption which is that alt.binaries,warez is just for copyrighted material. When I was using Usenet there were both copyrighted and non-copyrighted material on there so going there doesn’t mean you are a pirate.

  • Anonymous

    >illegal material
    Seedboxes seed heroin.

  • nobrains

    and another one bites the dust.

    hehehehehehehehe

  • 343423

    step 1
    find something u want
    step 2
    go to google type the title
    step 3
    type torrent to the end of it

  • Hero

    Guys, do you have any idea what you’re talking about in legal terms when you say “not copyrighted content”?

    Please think about it, that ALMOST EVERY piece of content is copyrighted, even your private home video is “copyrighted”. You do even have some related rights to copyright when you sing Madonnas song in your home video.

    The question is: Should Newzbin take permission to make some content public from the content owner BEFORE they index, or should they simply allow everything to be indexed, and when the content owners disagrees with that then he should take it down.

    Time to go legit for Newzbin is over, they’ve been asking content owners to send their takedown lists by standard registered mail printed on letters to them, that was before they were sued. If you do not implement strong takedown rules and play around like a stupid monkey with your takedown procedure (e.g. by asking to send registered mail letters on standard paper), then you’ve deserved it to bite the dust.

    I guess Justice Kitchin just didn’t take the guys and their lawyer seriously. Reasonable if you behave in a way they did.

  • hmmm

    @63, GP

    The whole financial system is a pyramid-like scheme like Maddoff used.

    The only reason why it keeps going on is that people like you don’t seem to understand it.

  • DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

    @66 no brains;

    And ten more pop up in place of it, hehe.

  • Scott

    Newzbin deserve all they get. Idiots.
    I hope they lock them up. They made money through providing an easy way to obtain copyright material.

    I hope they lock them up.

  • Anonymous

    That is probably the best-written article I’ve read on tf, well done enigmax

  • BinBadTheSailor

    Newzbin got binned bad.

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  • B

    Does this court judgement have international jurisdiction? What’s stopping a country with more liberal copyright laws hosting Newzbin?

  • Anonymous
  • Snarky

    Hmmmm banks are bailed out, homes are being foreclosed across America, health care, and yet the movie industry is as robust as ever, no studios going bankrupt, no stars going to the homeless shelters….this is greed pure and simple. I feel no sympathy for MPIAA or any of these groups, a bunch of spoiled, brats who feel entitled to everything the world has to offer.

  • Whatever

    @68 Hero
    You’re almost there… All that is made or typed is automatically copyrighted. However that doesn’t mean it should be used the way the MAFIAA uses it (by the way, the term “intellectual property” doesn’t exist, it is something from the imagination of MAFIAA lawyers, one of those things that should be copyrighted and not allowed to be used anywhere else).

    As for behaviour, in any court behaviour shouldn’t play a role, it is the truth that should matter. Ofcourse the reality is different otherwise lawyers would be obsolete.

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  • Bonnie Clyde

    It blurs the edges between what your community call the greedy ones (the creative industries) and the people the creative industries call greedy (a million quid for facilitating the procurement of ‘copyrighted’ material without paying).

    Everything’s getting very confusing.

    : )

    Fair play though, if nothing else, you can’t argue that under the present legal system, Newzbin were being naughty little boys.

  • Ronald Mac

    hey Snarky, I ripped off your IP here, check it out:

    “greed pure and simple. I feel no sympathy for Newzbin or any of these groups, a bunch of spoiled, brats who feel entitled to everything the world has to offer.” (like a million quid)

    See what I did there, do ya??

  • Guest

    Time to change the law.

  • me

    Time to change the law? Right now, it IS being changed… to the worst all over the world. Things are looking rather bleak right now, as we’re heading towards a Digital Dark Age, with an associated brutal Copyright Inquisition and all.

    In a few generations, maybe, they’ll laugh at the predicament we put ourselves into and how we let ourselves be lead by the nose ring by a couple of companies that produced nothing more than entertainment (sic!)… just as we laugh now at the boneheadedness of those living in the real Dark Ages who allowed themselves to be led by a tyrannical church.

    We’re just not there yet: too many crazies running an asylum of apathetic sheep. Welcome to Dystopia: we’re in it for a LONG time.

  • Anonymous

    whats the point, theres like 100s of other sites, funny how it takes them so long to take down one site, which could if they wanted to get offshore hosting in a country where copyright laws are different, also in the time it took to take down one site there is about another 10, and a handfull if not more are hosted offshore in china ect… if someone wanted to go to extremem length they could do what the piratecbay did, get like 4 servers in different countrys and mirror the information across each, then if one goes down, the next server picks up where the first one left off… there will always be content which we can download without paying for… the movie companys only care about making as much money as possible, fuck them!

  • Anonymous

    This type of decision claiming that linking to information is the same as distribution will destroy internet because on internet everything link to every thing. It destroy the justice system too because this does not make sense.

    It is obviously the result of the corruption of judges and lawyers by the entertainment industry.

    This is an industry that need to be destroy and it’s executives jailed considering the cost they represent to the society.

  • TRYER

    “Justice Kitchin wrote that he will not grant such a broad injunction and would instead impose limits on its scope to restrain Newzbin from infringing the copyrights of those movies to which the plaintiffs own the copyright”

    The Judge is far in one category. It’s ironic though. He does not realize that his family have pirated and are guilty as well.

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  • DeltaPan

    Quote “84 Mar 31, 2010 at 08:30 by TRYER The Judge is far in one category. It’s ironic though. He does not realize that his family have pirated and are guilty as well.”

    When Pirate Bay first got hassled a few years back.

    A great many in the filesharing communities classed ourselves as pirates and typed “arrrrrrrrr, i be a pirate, i be, arrrrrrr!” etc, in sympathy.

    But as things are now, heading into 2011 in the UK as well as ongoing evolutions of legistlations elsewhere, we do need to oppose what antipiracy would have the many who are not downloaders/filesharers perceive us as and that is pirates.

    We have our perception of a generalism which was popularised when as aforesaid, TPB and it’s owners were under attack and we all denoted ourselves pirates in a sentiment of solidarity, but think about perceptions external to us in the filesharing community, how the media does things and such.

    The media shaping format has been in play regards us for a while now, here in the UK there was a tempest of telemedia and tabloid coverage about who we are and what we do and assertions that downloaders are pirates, which in the main is actually synonymous to those who bootleg DVD’s in counterfeit form at a fraction of the price for new releases etc.

    there’s a reason they want to associate filesharing with video and music piracy.

    So it creates a common perception when repeated extensively in the media, that both are same or similar, which in turn shapes public perception that activities are similarly as criminal as those selling bootlegged versions and doing the damage they assert, links to organised crime, terrorism etc.

    Somebody else has tried to say we should stop calling ourselves pirates because of the association with what are crimes, selling media, software, games etc, as bootleg and counterfeit merchandise, because filesharing/downloading is not a criminal act, it is a civil infraction.

    Antipiracy influences along with telemedia and tabloids want to portray us as criminals.

    So lets not make it easy to media shape with propaganda now, shall we.

    Lets refer to ourselves as downloaders, sharers, not afford ourselves the negative tag the self serving and greedy corporates would have us demonised as.

    Just saying, think about it1

    there is a form of war going on, propaganda is one of their weapons in influencing public perception which compel governments to act, as too shapes the perceptions of politicians themselves, through repetition of terminology.

    We are not criminals, they try to shape opinion by association, in this case associating criminal offences with civil infraction, so society and state perceive a worse situation subliminally.

    Differentiate the civil from the criminal as they try to portray us, not aid in their attempts to label us criminals.

    Just saying guys.

    Peace. : )

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  • Satan

    An interesting report, rather good compared to usual T/F standards – but, then, it was copied almost verbatim

    Chris Elsworth has made himself huge sums of money out of his business, he wasn’t doing anything altrusitic. He is in most respects worse than the movie moguls, at least they provided something for their money without stealing it.

    Interesting that Mr Harris got himself chucked off the case for accepting shares in his clients’ business. Presumably the SRA will be investigating?

    FACT/the movie industry have got themselves a nice little precedent against indexing sites in general, just in time for a certain forthcoming showtrial.

    A change for FACT to win something, even if it is off the back of someone else’s case, after the Oink and TV_Links fiascos

  • YOYO

    Over a million a year in 09 alone and I bet that doesn’t count the Amazon gift vouchers etc they allow members to send them and donations they have recieved either.

    I don’t mind a company making profit especially when they make their service so user friendly, but Newzbin staff were always quick to claim they hardly make any money on any topic I have seen on their forums in the past, this is what I find most distasteful, basically they are liars.

    Anyone who has any knowledge about usenet don’t need this type of site, glad they lost.

  • sifwell

    WOW, over a million a yr. And to think they had all those editors working for them for just free access to the site lol. I’m sure most editors thought they were helping the site out thinking they were barely breaking even!

  • ffrr

    Schoolboys* and NZB files ultimately killed newzbin.

    People who used newsgroups prior to the existence of these files never had a problem, and they still wont have a problem. Piracy will still prevail without newzbins minor contributions of NZB files.

    *schoolboy, a typical person who’s too lazy to take the time to do something properly.

    I’m very surprised they got away with what they did for so long!

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