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Hotfile Goes To War Against Copyright Infringers

Hotfile, one of the rising stars on the file-hosting scene, appears to be taking a tougher stance on copyright infringement. Perhaps with an eye on the litigation recently instigated by the MPAA, this week Hotfile has been deleting premium accounts – along with all their files – en masse. Furthermore, Hotfile are reportedly not paying out the money these accounts have earned in the site’s rewards program.

hotfileAs bandwidth and storage capacity have increased, so have the capabilities of file-hosting services. Perhaps inevitably, not only are they used for the storage personal files, but increasingly for the distribution of movies, music, games and software.

Although the MPAA and RIAA have named two of the market leaders – RapidShare and MegaUpload – as ‘rogue’, to date both sites have avoided becoming a target for litigation from the pair. The same cannot be said about Hotfile.

“In less than two years, Hotfile has become one of the 100 most trafficked sites in the world,” said the MPAA when announcing its lawsuit against the company. “That is a direct result of the massive digital theft that Hotfile promotes.”

Furthermore, the MPAA insists that Hotfile’s business model encourages users to upload “illegal copies of motion pictures and TV shows to its servers.” Even if this statement is true – and there’s no evidence presented thus far to prove it is – a development this week suggests that Hotfile is taking its DMCA responsibilities seriously.

“Those idiots closed my Hotfile account,” one premium account holder told TorrentFreak earlier today. “No warning and now i’m just shut out. All my files are gone, everything.”

This is clearly not an isolated incident. On the contrary, recent Hotfile account suspensions are widespread. This morning TorrentFreak was invited to a private IRC channel and there we had a chat with individuals who had all lost premium accounts this week.

In our discussions with these and other people affected by the account suspensions, a common theme was developing. All had been operating premium accounts at Hotfile for some time, some of them for two years. Movies and TV shows were the major items being uploaded and all individuals were being paid weekly through Hotfile’s reward program.

Then this week they were all locked out of their accounts, only to be greeted by the following message:

Suspended

HotfileAccountSuspended

Although the above message promises account holders more information by email, the truth is that the message being sent says very little indeed.

Terminated

Hotfileemail

Hotfile aren’t answering any questions on the matter which is fairly normal since Hotfile rarely respond to any questions, their account holders tell us. Nevertheless, it is very clear that not only are the accounts closed, but all the files stored in them have been deleted too.

Another issue especially annoying to premium account holders is that they say that Hotfile owes them money earned in their rewards program. These are not always small amounts. Although we have spoken with people owed between $15 and $400, one individual says that he is owed more than $1,000.

A source told TorrentFreak that when it comes to taking down infringing files, Hotfile are one of the fastest file-hosters to do so, but these mass aggressive account suspensions are something new. For their part, Hotfile say that they have always terminated the accounts of users who have repeatedly infringed copyright since their Terms of Service forbid users from doing so. However, it appears that they will now go further.

“Recently, we have become concerned that despite these policies, some users persist in attempting to use Hotfile.com to share materials to which they do not have the necessary rights,” the company said in a statement. “Therefore, we have implemented a more aggressive policy of terminating the accounts of users who are the subject of repeated complaints of infringement.”

In the face of this more aggressive stance by Hotfile, TorrentFreak is informed that UserShare.net and FileSonic could be favored by those we spoke with earlier, although there are dozens of alternatives ready to take up the slack.

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  • politux

    Posting links to copyrighted files for the purpose of personal financial gain is not sharing and it isn’t ethical. I’m not bothered by the account deletions.

    Instead of trying to get $$$ from hotfile rewards why not make a public torrent that everyone can access for the sake of actually sharing.

    • Simon

      Agree with you on that point. Sharing for money isn’t sharing at all.

      • ddd

        … not to exclude those bastards who password their files that really piss you off!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

          ps. they contain shit anyways, not what you’re looking for at all, never.

        • Anonymous

          Often true, but not always. Sometimes they are passworded and encrypted so that automated scanning techniques don’t pick them up or see the filenames.

          I fully expect this to be become much more common as more hosts scan files for “digital fingerprints” or particular filenames.

        • Egtrg

          Yeah, but anyway, as this is just commercial crap… who cares?

          Real non-commercial cinema & music will never have trouble with digital fingerprints or that kind of shit :)

        • Anonymous

          “who cares?”

          ddd and Buglord, apparently.

        • Ninja

          Actually makes sense to use heavy encryption and passwords so they can’t peep inside the files. As noted above this will become the rule (pw and encryption). And MAFIAA will keep losing.

      • PakRatt

        Sorry to but in here but you are not into file sharing if you was you’d know us uploader’s have to pay for storage on multiple sites for sites & I have never made a profit but it helps with the costs.

        PS.It’s a hobby so my time involved is mote.

        • Anon

          Which is why it was suggested that ‘you’ upload to public torrent trackers so the only costs are bandwidth and local storage.
          File sharers often have paid for the bandwidth already and local storage is very cheap.

        • Ninja

          Actually makes sense, since MAFIAA is putting pressure into bittorrent sites and users you’d want to keep a low profile and cyberlockers are pretty convenient.

          Push MAFIAA, push the file sharers, the people further below and you’ll end up creating a monster that can’t be tracked with new anonymizing alternatives.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Absolutely spot-on politux. I too object to the money-element because that does indeed enter into the realm of ‘real’ piracy rather than mere filesharing for no cash, no profit and no gain or reward.

      But are we to go so far as to say “well done MAFIAA”? I don’t think so. Not until they back off and leave real filesharers alone. The dummies.

    • Straw Bear

      Just what I was thinking. Have no sympathy for these idiots and if they lost important personal data alongside movies etc then it serves them right. If these dicks start whining about losses of accounts then I don’t think too many people will listen to them. Can’t blame the hosts at all.

    • agreed

      Well said sir.

    • Guest

      Agree. Because “sharing” for money is PIRACY, and NOT filesharing.
      Simple. I wonder if the “individual says that he is owed more than $1,000. ” is someone from rlslog LOL

    • agreed

      Well said sir.

    • Guest

      Agree. Because “sharing” for money is PIRACY, and NOT filesharing.
      Simple. I wonder if the “individual says that he is owed more than $1,000. ” is someone from rlslog LOL

    • frogle

      You guys are all stupid.do you think public torrent sites are run out of charity?.they make alot more money than these guys.

      • Guest

        Some of them, yeah.
        LameA$$torrents for sure.

        • frogle

          which ones don’t?.

        • Anonymous

          Mostly it’s the smaller ones which don’t carry advertising and instead rely on donations from members to pay the bills. And believe me, it’s often a very close call as to whether there’s going to be enough money to do that.

    • Aaaa

      The people uploading for cash are no worse than the people downloading stuff for free instead of paying for the product, whether it be from one-click hosts, torrents or usenet.

      • Anon

        I say the only ones doing no harm are the ones who truly dont have money to buy things, and yet they have the intellect to find these movies and shows online for free. Why not use your skills to get what you want?
        The movie companies / tv networks didnt lose anything because you couldn’t have bought it in the first place.
        But as for the rest who mass-download more than they could ever watch or play (and could probably afford to buy lots of movies if they werent lazy to go to the store)… well those types have become sick downloading zombies feeding an obsession to download.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with you. Another thing some people try to make money from is streaming movies! I stream movies frequently (720p) and i’m disgusted by the people who put advertising in their stream channels and beg for “donations”.

      Free sharing to all!

      • Anonymous

        You’re going to pay for the servers and bandwidth then, are you?

        Good stuff. The adverts won’t be necessary once you do.

        “Free sharing to all!” – As long as somebody else pays the actual bills?

        Note: I’m totally against ‘piracy for profit’, but this stuff costs money. But things like streaming 720p content in real time is expensive, and it has to be paid for somehow.

    • Ninja

      100% agreed. In the long term premium accounts will be less and less used by uploaders and more by downloaders but the end result will be the same: they will continue to be used for infringing activities even if the actively filter by words ;)

      They’ll still make their money and MAFIAA will still lose for our amusement.

  • Anonymous

    HotFile is also destroying their userbase and profits.

    Yes people can go elsewhere…

    • Nate

      Hotfile is done. Just like all cyberlockers are going to be unless they go legit.

      Hotfile knows they’re going to lose their lawsuit, and are just trying to clean up for the judge so their fine is smaller.

  • Jbob

    If you’re making money off what you share you should be shutdown. That truly is piracy.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

      we who are called pirates, but are file-sharers, are just as much against real piracy as those who make what we share.

  • Brass Monkey

    To be expected.

  • SPARTANAAA

    More info here: http://hotfile.com/news.html

    Hotfile have always been a dodgy company, scamming uploaders with their system. Personally they’ve kept me as copper for far too long. Uploaders have already moved over to sites like fileserve where rewards are far better. Move to fileserve. I know a lot of people who have had their HF accounts closed due to this. Time to go HF. RIP http://fileserve.com/signup.php?reff=BmpU7AJwEWE~

    • Marcel

      http://fileserve.com/signup.php?reff=BmpU7AJwEWE , People like this is the one damage Filesharing, between you SPARTANAAA and the MAFIAA, the record labels and studios, etc. are the same capitalists seeking for a profet. NOT FILESHARING

    • Kirkpad

      Yeah, I think we both noticed that. Right after the profound comment about non-profit sharing, you go ahead and post a damn ref link?

    • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

      Yeah, and next week when the file host everyone has switched to starts deleting people’s accounts due to infringement too, what bad things are you going to invent about them?

      • Anonymous

        I thought for once you could post something positive. As you can see most file sharers object to this money making off other people’s stuff. But nooooo….

        We don’t share for the money, we share because for example: It is not available online, or not at all in our country, or we don’t want to be forced to buy 10 bullshit songs together with the one we like, or school does not provide us with a learning licence for software they do expect us to use, or to discover new artists.

        Most of us don’t mind paying for good stuff, the way we like (online for example). As a student i torrented photoshop for years but now that i work as a freelancer i bought it. Because it became my favorite, i got used to it, i don’t want to risk my business with illegal software. So now they have a lifetime customer. Good?

        • Quest

          You don’t have to buy 10 bullshit songs together with the one you like, and you know it.

          It’s called iTunes or Amazon.

    • Anon

      Another problem with hotfile, if im not mistaken, they are American. One of the only American uploading sites, so of course i expected nothing but trouble from it because of the RIAA and MPAA in america. People should just move to foreign sites which dont have so much laws to face. I wonder is megaupload foreign? Seems they are still doing pretty well even after they were gone after. Rapidshare was german I think, and they kinda got screwed but still somewhat around. Still see files hosted on them once in a while. The best places are Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, etc… seems they barely have piracy laws there to adhere to.

  • QQQ

    I’m never using HotFile again. Bunch of idiots.

  • JTL

    HF was a greedy host. Hope it closes. Better alternatives around.

    • Anonymous

      Uploaders who do it for money are greedy. Hope they get shut down.

    • Anonymous

      Uploaders who do it for money are greedy. Hope they get shut down.

  • Leo Ghost

    I sense some bias against cyberlockers, probably because most users here are BitTorrent fans ;)

    As far as I understand it, the justification used for earning money off uploading is branding it as a service. The unloaders are doing the dirty work, and risking themselves to do it. Since they see it as a service rather than “selling the product” they believe there isn’t anything wrong with it. This is exactly the same as a BitTorrent site operator making money off ads, they are offering the service of keeping the site running, which can often be a full-time job.

    Commercial Piracy is selling another’s work as your own, but making money from selling a related service isn’t illegal. You can pay third-party repair shops to fix your Ford car, is that commercial copyright infringement? What about private libraries with yearly memberships? Google makes money off placing ads on a service that indexes everything, torrents and cyberlocker links included.

    When BitTorrent users make claims that “Google is just as bad as The Pirate Bay”, please understand that you are also making claim that generating a profit from ads, and the service of indexing, is not illegal or immoral just the same.

    Full Disclosure: I own websites, I make money off ads. I like BitTorrent, I don’t care for cyberlockers because my connection won’t hold a steady connection to the servers. If I owned a BitTorrent site I would expect to earn money off the advertisements on the site (though not via memberships or the sort). I would be offering a service, and that’s exactly what all indexers provide.

    • Glib

      Valid, except the users are generating 100% profit for doing NOTHING. They didn’t advertise their site, they don’t manage the system that hosts their files, they incur zero financial risk by handing out these copied works.

      Making money off ads isn’t seen, by me, as so bad. A lot of that money goes into hosting and bandwidth, plus a bit to the admins. They NEED some extra, because of hardware failure or seizure, as well as administration fees (on the host’s end) and redundant hosting in case something gets shut down. These Hotfile guys are outright stealing, and I really don’t understand why these accounts aren’t instantly banned once any file is removed from their account via takedown request.

      • Akakka

        “Valid, except the users are generating 100% profit for doing NOTHING. ”

        They de take the time to upload their files.
        And some of them do take the time to rip off the file, to convert it, and so on…

    • That Guy

      The difference is facilitating access to user determined content for profit vs. managing content for profit. BT sites facilitate use determined by the user and they make money irrespective of specific content. It’s 100% up to the users to determine and share the content – 100% percent for free. The people who manage the content don’t get paid, but that’s not true with uploaders.

      There definitely is a difference between BT site profits and uploader profits. Sorry to be pedantic, but, even though it may sound small, the difference is pretty huge.

    • That Guy

      The difference is facilitating access to user determined content for profit vs. managing content for profit. BT sites facilitate use determined by the user and they make money irrespective of specific content. It’s 100% up to the users to determine and share the content – 100% percent for free. The people who manage the content don’t get paid, but that’s not true with uploaders.

      There definitely is a difference between BT site profits and uploader profits. Sorry to be pedantic, but, even though it may sound small, the difference is pretty huge.

  • Simon

    Oh dear. Looks like Hotfile can kiss most of their users goodbye.

    • brudda

      Yes, they can! And I love it! Where are all the Hotfile fan-boys now? Every time there has been an article on Torrentfreak about Rapidshare, all I see are comments that trash Rapidshare and talk about how great Hotfile is.

      To all the fan-boys, I say ‘BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA. LOSERS…LOSERS…LOSERS!”

      • Anonymous

        In the comments I have read, people actually seem to favour MediaFire and MegaUpload. Not much mention of HotFile in my experience.

        • Anonymous

          True.. Free users and companies (including the one I work for ) prefer mediafire to SHARE files . Medifire does not “”reward”" , or pay cash to uploaders.
          Mediafire offer a truly brilliant service.

        • Email

          It’s alllllll about Megashares, and Duckload

      • Anonymous

        In the comments I have read, people actually seem to favour MediaFire and MegaUpload. Not much mention of HotFile in my experience.

    • brudda

      Yes, they can! And I love it! Where are all the Hotfile fan-boys now? Every time there has been an article on Torrentfreak about Rapidshare, all I see are comments that trash Rapidshare and talk about how great Hotfile is.

      To all the fan-boys, I say ‘BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA. LOSERS…LOSERS…LOSERS!”

  • Anonymous

    Hotfile you don’t get it. The file locker is mine, not yours.

    This kind of crap is what puts people off using the cloud and sharing, you dumbies.

    • TRUTH

      umm if u break there terms of service, u lose it , period

      • Anon

        T.O.S: Corporate subjugation of individual liberties, backed by international governing bodies. But hey, it’s good for business.

        • Anonymous

          Anyone who signed up agreed to the TOS. What’s the problem there?

          Don’t like the terms? Don’t use the service.

          Simple.

        • Anonymous

          Anyone who signed up agreed to the TOS. What’s the problem there?

          Don’t like the terms? Don’t use the service.

          Simple.

    • Cloud9

      I think that is a good point. “The cloud” is the hottest buzz word in business, but moving all of you storage and apps onto someone else’s property means that you have to play by their rules . . . so use torrents ;)

    • Cloud9

      I think that is a good point. “The cloud” is the hottest buzz word in business, but moving all of you storage and apps onto someone else’s property means that you have to play by their rules . . . so use torrents ;)

  • Doorknob233

    peeps gettin paid for sharing? fuck them those low life fucks

  • TRUTH

    somewhere the crappy admins of Fileserve are smiling

    • Anonymous

      LOLOLOL, this made me laugh for 5 whole mins

  • DownWith brown

    Only on TF and The NET will actual people complain there pirated warez were deleted and lost there money …keyword…”pirated”

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  • TRUTH

    people at digital point already seem to know to steer away , the wheels are in motion now, people will start uploading to fileserve more and more…
    forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2098208
    —-
    and if u think fileserve is better ITS not ,jus reading there suppourt thread , u can tell, there way more notorious for deleting ur stuff, stalling payments, and making up excuses..
    forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1853986&page=177
    100 pages of compliants , ill stick to Free hotfile account, jus in case

  • TRUTH

    people at digital point already seem to know to steer away , the wheels are in motion now, people will start uploading to fileserve more and more…
    forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2098208
    —-
    and if u think fileserve is better ITS not ,jus reading there suppourt thread , u can tell, there way more notorious for deleting ur stuff, stalling payments, and making up excuses..
    forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1853986&page=177
    100 pages of compliants , ill stick to Free hotfile account, jus in case

  • Guest

    Can’t understand what people are complaining about. If you brake the rules you’ve nothing to complain about.

    • Anon

      Unless the rules are set to intentionally control and censor the dissemination of information.

      • 34242424

        huh…wish there was a dislike button
        99percent of people on this site forget something called
        “International copyright laws”
        yea it doesnt matter until u make something

        • A223944

          Which are set to intentionally control and censor the dissemination of information.

        • http://twitter.com/mshenrick Mark Henrick

          no, they are set to protect copyright! what do you do for a job? would you want people giving your product out for free?

        • Anonymous

          “they are set to protect copyright!”

          They were actually originally created to ensure a continued monopoly on the reproduction of books for a printing company , The Company of Stationers I believe.

          Maybe, at the time, there was even some merit in the idea. But the oft-repeated extension of the terms (seemingly ad-infinitum) and the broadening of their remit along with the growth in the number of exclusions for all other “permitted use” has made them less and less respected, and is what has lead to such a hatred of (and disregard for) them.

          “Author’s lifetime plus 75 years” – What on Earth is all that about?

        • Anonymous

          “they are set to protect copyright!”

          They were actually originally created to ensure a continued monopoly on the reproduction of books for a printing company , The Company of Stationers I believe.

          Maybe, at the time, there was even some merit in the idea. But the oft-repeated extension of the terms (seemingly ad-infinitum) and the broadening of their remit along with the growth in the number of exclusions for all other “permitted use” has made them less and less respected, and is what has lead to such a hatred of (and disregard for) them.

          “Author’s lifetime plus 75 years” – What on Earth is all that about?

        • Anonymous

          Just to add to the above

          “Which are set to intentionally control and censor the dissemination of information”

          This is partially true. One of the original purposes of The Company of Stationers was to act as the mechanism for State Censorship. Copyright law (originally the Statute of Anne, short title Copyright Act 1709 8 Anne c.19, ) grew directly from that.

          A short description of The Company of Stationers from Wikipedia includes

          “In the 16th century the Stationers’ Company was given the power to require all lawfully printed books to be entered into its register. Only members of the Stationers’ Company could enter books into the register. This meant that the Stationers’ Company achieved a dominant position over publishing in 17th century England (no equivalent arrangement formed in Scotland and Ireland). But the monopoly, granted to the Stationers’ Company through the Licensing Act 1662, came to an end when parliament decided to not renew the Act after it lapsed in May 1695.”

          Go read the entry for the Statute to see how exactly they (the Stationers) started lobbying for extension even back then.

          “I see no reason for granting a further term now, which will not hold as well for granting it again and again, as often as the old ones expire… it will in effect be establishing a perpetual monopoly, a thing deservedly odious in the eye of the law; it will be a great cramp to trade, a discouragement to learning, no benefit to authors, but a general tax on the public; and all this only to increase the private gain of booksellers.”

          And sadly, such it came to pass…..

        • Mfvx

          I’d be extremelly happy if my band CD hits the top100 on TPB…

        • mcnk

          Fuck The RIAA would top the charts

        • Anonymous

          If your CD did fall in the top 100 on TPB then the next thing you would want is the ability to link this popular torrent back to your own website. This is so that the people who did enjoy your album can discover more like your tour dates, your nice looking collectible CDs, t-shirts, mugs, pens and everything else to buy.

          File sharing may be a great market of fans and advertisement of your services but currently file sharing sites ignore that the artist/owner should have right to link their own shared media back to their own sites.

          My point is that if we really do want to create a new market, and to destroy the current copyright monopoly, then there does need to be discussion between artists/owners and file sharing services. Ideally torrent files and metadata should have the artist stated, and if sharing approved, along with a site and banner link. This data would need to allow update if the artist data was missed out and wanted adding. Either that or to link to a controlling website where artists can register and link to their works along with checks for fraud.

          There is much to gain here. Downloaders can access extra information and makes a direct no-middleman high profit source if they desire to buy. Artists can do some amazing advertisement and profit at zero cost to them. And who could ever question the legal status of a file sharing site when many torrents would come artist approved and endorsed with their home page one click away?

          Do that one thing and you would really change the world. Bye bye all those nasty copyright protection organizations. The old system would fold within a few years as the new market emerges.

          But now… they don’t link. :-/

        • Anonymous

          @Violated0
          You want to know something about the band you found on torrents. You go to google and find the official website. It is very simple. Most likely the first hit. The link could also be in the torrent summary. That what you read before downloading the torrent file. That where the screenshots for proof of quality usually are. So you are talking out of your ass. You have never really read in to it. Do you need me to make you some screenshots?

        • Anon

          i deliver milk door to door. if somebody started to offer free delivery i would find out how they have managed to do it and then copy their methods. i would not try to stop them from offering their free service. i would change. something the entertainment distribution industry is unwilling to contemplate. the farmers (or musicians) and customers are/should both be free to choose distributors and not be dictated to.
          also, previously i made fences by hand, but then along came factories with machines that can make fences cheaper than i can. i no longer made fences. it was not the end of the world. i simply switched to a different industry. if the entire entertainment industry collapsed tomorrow society would not fall with it. there would just be a lot of people with the opportunity to get a job that actually benefits society.
          sharing frees and enhances society, it does not ruin it.

      • 34242424

        huh…wish there was a dislike button
        99percent of people on this site forget something called
        “International copyright laws”
        yea it doesnt matter until u make something

  • Guest

    Can’t understand what people are complaining about. If you brake the rules you’ve nothing to complain about.

  • Glib

    I imagine they just took a look at any account that has generated more than $xx.xx and had their admins take a look at what was in their account. Anything infringing? Gone. Good riddance I say; sharing IS caring, but stealing is horse-crap … and profiting off other people’s work for doing essentially nothing (using someone else’s hosted service, letting their admins do all your management work) is poop.

  • A223944

    Trying to get cash for uploading files like that gives a bad name to file-sharers.

  • Zend001

    Hotfile is just accumulating money from its users to fight in the court. On the other hand Oron is buying off porn forums to extend its reach(there could be a report out of it too!).

    Days are not so good this week.

  • Reader

    Quite alot of countries appear to be banned from using fileserve at the moment, hong kong and the UK, possibly others.

    I understand that the server that handles the captcha system for FileServe has been added to the childporn blacklist filter that governs most/all UK ISPs, rendering the service useless to us :(
    There’s a discussion about the situation on the jDownloader forum thread about international issues.

    • 34242424

      dont think theres a captcha if u have a premium acct, mite jus want ppl to switch over

      • Anonymous

        Still is a file sharing site disabled under the excuse of cp. Oops, did you go down also? We will look at it…

    • 34242424

      dont think theres a captcha if u have a premium acct, mite jus want ppl to switch over

  • MC

    I know why the one click hosters are doing this. Therye scared shitless of the copyright cartels and the power they hold over legislators in america and the endless money they can throw into tying up these companies with lawsuits over and over again forever, so this fear is understandable. Theyve been tying to make a huge show of faith and goodwill effort recently to the cartels and judges regarding copyright infringement to this end, to try and take some of the pressure off.

    But theyre going about the problem the wrong way. What rapidshare, hotfile, megaupload etc need to realise is that the rights holders are corrupt to the core and thirst for absolute power and market control which for now the us govt. seems more than happy to help them with, and that to quote arnold, they cant be bargained with, they cant be reasoned with, they dont feel pity or remorse and they absolutely will not stop ever until one click hosters are dead. Because it suits them.

    So the file hosters do need to realise that their businesses and infact their entire nascent industry is under mortal threat from the power of old incumbent dinocaurs who have every intention of killing them all outright and taking no prisoners. So they should all be getting together as an industry, and start putting up some serious money into lobbying in DC for their side of the story, just like the rights holders do to get their dirty legislative work done.

    Basically, the one click hosters are trying to do a Chamberlain here when infact they need to realise that the threat to them is far more grave than that, and they should start doing a Churchill instead as soon as they can.

    And with godwins law satisfied, my work here is done :)

    • Anonymous

      What you ignore is that HotFile and the other cyberlockers cant just go and ignore the law when that is the quick route to a long drawn out court case and being shut down by a judge.

      Neither should they cut off the hand that feeds them. We can all see what happened to RapidShare and their strict anti-infringement choice. Bye bye paying customers.

      So they would aim to try and keep balance and to maintain the appearance of a legal service while at the same time providing the people with what they want. This means seeking safe-harbor and responding to valid take-down requests while ignoring faulty formatted requests.

      Then on the day they get too successful and attract too much attention of the copyright side, like in the case of funding piracy, then to make an example of some high profile noisy infringers. “Look what we did in our anti-piracy drive” while at the same time for 99% of their uploading users it is business as usual. Hell maybe these same affected 1% can just open a new account.

      And of course this would all appear on TorrentFreak the virtual news sourced battleground of copyright.

      So by doing these two things they achieve the status of “legally compatible” while still promoting… and profiting from… file sharing. Keeps them in business while trying to keep everyone in the realm of tolerant.

      My point is that it may not be time to abandon a sinking HotFile ship quite yet when they may still be anchored in a piracy bay. Let us wait and see.

      • MC

        I never said that they should start ignoring DMCA notices or anything, but they shouldent be relying on sticking strictly to the law and thinking that that will save them. Thats not how the game works……..

        As an industry they need lobbyists in DC whispering sweet nothings into the ears of decrepit old legislators, and fast. Just like the mafiaa has.

  • http://twitter.com/mikecane Mike Cane

    Hotfile has been stingy with the freebie bandwidth starting a few weeks ago. Does anyone still bother to use it? I noticed Fox shows would be deleted almost as soon as they were put there. I figure they must be scanning files against image signatures now, and not just going after filename titles.

  • Meh

    So pick another file-storage service. They get less traffic, eventually abandon their policy, go back to the way it was, problem solved.
    Its all about the money, best way to back someone in a corner is to cut their revenue and traffic off.

  • this.one

    Hotfile pays out each week if the user’s balance exceeds $15. Anyone being owed a lot of money as the article describes is doing this on a business level and should be prosecuted.

    That’s not *sharing* anymore, that is making money off piracy!

  • http://twitter.com/mshenrick Mark Henrick

    they deserved it! what are they complaining about! this is why i would want to host a file hosting service!

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  • William

    There’s no such thing as “sharing”. People put their links on to get money from their hosts. If you ever downloaded a movie, a song or anything from Megaupload, Hotfile, FileServe, you’ve given money to someone.That is a true fact.

    • brudda

      I’ve never given money to any of those people. All of those services are free. If you’ve paid them, then you are a moron.

      • William

        You don’t get it. I don’t pay for it. But if you downloaded, the person is gonna get paid because you downloaded it, so in a certain way, you’ve given money to them. Like I said, there’s no such as “sharing”. Everything you download, people are getting paid because you downloaded it. Get it?

  • Pancs1
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  • Dragon

    Eh, hotfile has decided they want to go out of business, I couldn’t care less.

    A company making a living out of other peoples work is half the farking reason I’m a pirate ffs. The uploader has provided the artist and myself a small service by introducing us to one another so I can see a small justification for paying UL’er a small fee…I guess.

    File lockers are convenient for me sometimes, but my heart and fan-girlish ways belong to torrents 4evah. <3

    • frogle

      yeah, uploading some files.that is sooo much harder than providing bandwidth and servers.give me a break.

    • 34242424

      lol hotfile KNOWS 99 percent of there biz is from release blogs like rlslog and such , if u take out piracy , there buisness model is done like rapidshare….just like ur love ….they come and they go ….NOTHING IS FOREVER…NOTHING!!!

  • simon

    bye bye fileshre…simple

  • Anonymous

    i only use hotfile when i can’t find it on movie2k

    • 34242424

      Sux big time for me, already release blogs dont supply that much hotfile links this will be devastating to regular premium users like me , i DONT upload, but when theres a new movie on a release blog i download it in 5 min, with 2mb/sec speed all day , of course i use torrents for the rest, but downloading movies thru hotfile service lot more convenient and faster then new torrents fresh into the game…..
      i hate fileserve premium no where as fast, and typing file serve scam into GOOGLE shows that fact….
      sad sad day for the millions of Preimum users….i weep now silently

      • Glib

        Learn to use Newsgroups; infinite speed for peanuts and, if you get a good one, has stuff faster than anything.

        • 34242424

          easier to to go to rlslog on my browser and jus click one link and downloads to computer directly….newsgroups theres a setup plus the good ones cost money to join , and good luck explaining it to ur friends lol
          and rlslog and rlsbb and such have a wayyy better set up and look and pics and reviews , more personal , jus to visit a homepage and dl directly

        • Anonymous

          “newsgroups [...] cost money”
          “[hotfile] premium users like me”

          Umm… So you don’t want to pay for Usenet access but you’re happy to pay for a hotfile account?

          And the difference is what?

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  • noko

    Hotfile sucks anyway.

  • Guestpot

    The only reason these sites exist is for piracy. I’m not sure I’ve never seen anything for download on rapidshare/megaupload/hotfile/etc that wasn’t warez. If they want to delete all their users and flush their business down the toilet then let them.

    • Anonymous

      That may be all you see or all you use them for but they do actually have legitimate business and personal uses too. One company I worked for used them extensively for handling large files.

      • Guestpot

        That’s true, but I still think piracy is the lifeblood of these sites.

        Hotfile may end up like Mininova. Still around and now legit, but not nearly as popular.

  • 34242424
    • Anonymous

      “I recommend join to our premium program to download files safe from our private ftp server”

      Yeah – Because that’s not “piracy for profit” at all is it?

  • This

    seeing how sharing and moving things around is effectively distribution WHY NOT make the mpaa and riaa distribution fees illegal too
    creation to end user

    boy would say a lot of money everywhere and how.

  • There is

    fuck these guys the only reason they upload is for profit, fuck there bitching. rather than being upset of all the data destroyed that was previously available they cry about whats owed to them, as if anything ever was.

    Still Hotfile are destroying there own userbase. these guys will just move to another service.

    torrents are sharing
    direct downloads are piracy

    but aslong as the mass media and big companies make the average consumer feel as bad as a rapist through there ongoing campaigns then the masses will have no-quams about the distinction.. because hey whose the real evil

    • frogle

      “torrents are sharing
      direct downloads are piracy ”

      nope, but keep telling yourself that, douche.

      • 34242424

        AHHAAHAHAH
        umm its all just “piracy” its just that no one cares

      • Guest

        It’s just your one opinion, bitch.

  • markie

    Time to boycott Hotfile. Time to move to Depositfiles. Users will just move elsewhere. This will be Hotfiles destruction.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, thats downright messed up. What they wanna go do that for??

    http://www.being-anon.eu.tc

  • Anonymous

    LOL @ Hotfiles official statement:

    “Recently, we have become concerned that despite these policies, some users persist in attempting to use Hotfile.com to share materials”

    BS from cowards. Never using them again since you can never trust a coward just don’t know who they passing information to.

  • markie

    If you join Hotfile only pay by the month. Don’t use 3 months or 1 year. This way if your account gets suspended you have only lost $9.00. But by using the other 2 choices and Hotfile suspended you have lost more money and you are still supporting them for those months.

  • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

    If you guys are moving into Fileserve, just know that they have automatic rebilling from paypal….unless you go and disable it manually, it will continue to bill you month and month.

    Fileserve is not bad, speed is good and they rarely remove any files..i love the uploaders. let them make some money for doing the hard work…people from outside the US are benefiting the most

    • Guest

      FS has become really crap, though.
      I used to get speeds around 150-220 kb/s as a free user, now it’s 50-52 kb/s max.

      • Anonymous

        You’re a free user? They dont care about you…as far as they are concerned you are not that important. Their idea is to get you to upgrade to a premium account if you find yourself getting alot of content from them.

  • rajesh

    come on man, what i believe is if u ban hotifle U HAVE TO BAN ALL OTHER FILE HOSTS LIKE FILE SONIC FILE SERVE, MEGAUPLOAD… THEY ARE PLAYING SAME GAME.. BUT HIDING.. OFCOURSE, MONEY IS MOTHER OF ALL THINGS.. BIG PPL TALKING ABT COPYRIGHTS.. ALL BULLSHIT.. EVERY FILE UPLOADED BY EVERY SITE IS COPYRIGHYT PROTECTED.. IN THAT SENSE EVERY 1 HAS 2 B SUED.. BUT THATS NOT HAPPENING.. BUT ALL R BLAMING ONLY HOTFILE…. yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.. filserve is a big software blog.. that has 2 b banned first

  • markie

    I find that filesonic has good speeds also.

  • rajesh

    its the same poorer fighting richer… free users fighting against hotfile cs they cant download..

  • Trelew

    Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised if all file locker sites are wiped out by the copyright tyrants of the corporate world. Big Business will lie to the public about being the victim, lamenting their losses by file sharing. Then pay off government officials and courts to get the law going their way. Basically the world is being controlled by corporate elite not our governments. Sad world we live in.

    • Anonymous

      “the world is being controlled by corporate elite not our governments”

      So it’s business as usual then? Things have *always* been this way.

  • NNTP

    Goodbye hotfile! Anyway HTTP sucks for file-sharing.

  • Ooo

    The truth is filesharing create more jobs

  • Ooo

    The truth is filesharing create more jobs

    • Truth

      The truth is you’re a liar.

      There have been massive layoffs at recording studios, record labels, movie studios, book publishers, etc. All because piracy dried up sales.

      • Also_the_Truth

        Good.

  • DanielRemains

    Gotta love how the MPAA spreads comments all over the place here. Even MPAA likes TF!

  • DanielRemains

    Gotta love how the MPAA spreads comments all over the place here. Even MPAA likes TF!

    • Big Fan of Hollywood Jews

      I’m just a concerned citizen who is afraid that pirates will take rightfully earned profits away from great artisans like Michael Bay.

  • JJ

    R.I.P. Hotfile…

    Time to move to FileServe…

    http://www.fileserve.com/signup.php?reff=FQCqQdz9bdY~

  • Anonymous

    Nice reading.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

    ‘Furthermore, the MPAA insists that Hotfile’s business model encourages users to upload “illegal copies of motion pictures and TV shows to its servers.” ‘

    I thought MAFIAA’s antedeluvian business model was doing that long before Hotfile came along.

    • Anonymous

      I see what you did there…..

  • ffgold

    So maybe the guys uploading at bitlocker release sites get a clue and encrypt both rar and the filenames inside. Just sayin’.

  • 34242424

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    Any size – FULL SPEED – No premium bs
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  • Jon7272

    can someone tell me what would be the point of hotfile without the movies and music lmfao. bye bye hotfile .

  • stinkpipe

    it is a shame the authorities cannot do what hotfile is doing to the phishing and scam sites that get emailed to us everyday. we all know where their priorities lay.
    WHEN, i purchase on the net i want it to be a secure experience,right now that is not the case.Better to make it safe to buy products before closing free file sharing. one reason i do free file share is because of the security aspect.

  • Some

    It is simply time drop hotfile and move to other cyberlockers. There is also problem when peoples have paid for year hotfile account and their account is terminated they can not get their money back. Hotfile WILL STEAL YOUR MONEY!!!

    • Anonymous

      I think you’re missing the point.

      Downloaders’ accounts aren’t being terminated. It’s people who upload.

      However, if an uploader does have a paid account (which many don’t) and if they do get it cancelled for contravening the terms of service which they agreed to when they signed up then I don’t see the problem.

      And it’s the same for people who upload using free accounts.

      In both of these situations the users quite rightly have no comeback or cause for complaint if Hotfile decide to terminate their accounts without paying them or refunding their subscriptions.

      In neither case is “Hotfile stealing money”, it’s the end user breaking the rules which they agreed to abide by. It’s their fault, nobody else’s.

      And the problem you see with that is what?

    • TF

      Do Hotfile terminate premium accounts or just uploaders accounts (those who uploads and got paid for this)?!?!
      I belive premium accounts have nothing to do with this!

  • Some

    It is simply time drop hotfile and move to other cyberlockers. There is also problem when peoples have paid for year hotfile account and their account is terminated they can not get their money back. Hotfile WILL STEAL YOUR MONEY!!!

  • Krlll

    Those dicks that “lost” money had a good run.
    Now they should STFU
    I share files,I dont make money off them.
    All those Hotfile account holders could distribute what they have freely but chose to profit.
    They are little different from music/movie producers trying to sell the same thing over and over again.

  • The Paladin Of Truth

    Hahaha, that crazy HotFile! ;) Fortunately, they appear to be behaving not only laudably, in order to prevent illegal sharing and distribution of copyrighted material, but also in full accordance to their Terms of Service (to which, I must add, every Premium account holder have explicitly agreed when establishing an account with the website ;) ).
    I must also point out that the people complaining about their lost profits are not only guilty of illegal file sharing, but also of (if you pardon my bluntness and harsh words ;) ) outright hypocrisy. The greatest argument most people engaged in this kind of activity use in order to paint themselves in a better light is claiming that they do what they do in order to provide others with free information; indeed, the arguments invariably have a rather intransigent plutophobic flavor. Now we have finally unearthed the true motivations, or the true colors if you will ;), of the illegal file sharing community: rapacious avarice!

    • Anonymous

      I ignore posts made by The Paladin Of Truth.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t normally agree with you, but your first paragraph-and-a-half is spot-on.

      The rest of it is the usual bullcrap though.

  • The Paladin Of Truth

    Hahaha, that crazy HotFile! ;) Fortunately, they appear to be behaving not only laudably, in order to prevent illegal sharing and distribution of copyrighted material, but also in full accordance to their Terms of Service (to which, I must add, every Premium account holder have explicitly agreed when establishing an account with the website ;) ).
    I must also point out that the people complaining about their lost profits are not only guilty of illegal file sharing, but also of (if you pardon my bluntness and harsh words ;) ) outright hypocrisy. The greatest argument most people engaged in this kind of activity use in order to paint themselves in a better light is claiming that they do what they do in order to provide others with free information; indeed, the arguments invariably have a rather intransigent plutophobic flavor. Now we have finally unearthed the true motivations, or the true colors if you will ;), of the illegal file sharing community: rapacious avarice!

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  • Tom

    time to try other host let try pyramidfiles.com

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1811889865 Isaac Sillona

    (finger snap!)

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  • subzero273

    Aw Man Aw man, Game Over Man, Game Over!!!

  • Kan3

    Simple, move to other sites and boycott HF like we boycotted RS.

    • Tom_tje3000

      I doubt people will vacate HF over a few deleted accounts (which were making money off pirated content) RS changed it’s payment plan and removed it’s rewards scheme allowing for free account extension, which caused the mass abortion did it not?

  • Forever

    i’m with stupid ^^^

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  • Tigereyes4eva

    can not believe this i have a premium account and have just paid for one year guess i am the sucker now i only use my account to download not to upload and yes it should be used as a share site not money making site find a normal way to make money this should be a hobby as a enjoyable thing not about the $$$ now we are all screwed .But it always boils down to money at the end of the day

    • Tom_tje3999

      i’d imagine they’re targeting the uploaders rather than the downloaders, I wouldn’t really worry

      • Anonymous

        Actually HF is removing links faster than any other FS provider. To the point that its annoying and pointless to have a premium account. HF is fucking up they know how they make money…and its not becuase people need to send a file

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  • Bob

    Great news. Hopefully Fileserve and Filesonic are next. I can’t stand these lazy fucks profiting from others’ work.

  • http://twitter.com/sagive sagive SEO -????

    well.. no more hotfile. :(

  • Foff

    Hot stupid A$$ file I am glad my premium subscription only lasts 3 more months because if they continue to delete everything like they are they will become a has been like rapidshare.

  • 222

    coldfiles?

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  • http://twitter.com/Intr0spector Intr0

    Long Live Duckload! And yes, filesonic is ok too

  • Hang Peter Mandelson

    Their outrageous claims are typical.
    MPAA Q: Does a private hospitals business model encourage poor people to die in squalor?
    Peers A: No, it is an obvious outcome of privatization.
    The MPAA insists that Hotfile’s business model encourages users to upload “illegal copies of motion pictures and TV shows to its servers.”
    No, it is an obvious outcome of technological adaptation, coupled with the greed of the members of MPAA’s bankroll.
    F*ck the record companies. Any peasant off the street can record anything for anyone.
    Don’t let these umbrella organisations manipulate public opinion, publish false reports, lobby politicians and gain from absurd business practice, as that was, and is, their sole intention.

  • Your Lord, Mandelson

    I love it when stupid people realize that illegal does not equate to wrong.
    The funniest looks on their faces

  • Fan

    “Hotfile owes them money earned in their rewards program”

    So, you said Hofile should pay money, earned by uploading copyrighted (and repeat infringement)?! I have account and its not deleted since I don’t spread like a wild thousands of shared links.

  • Fan

    ““No warning and now i’m just shut out. All my files are gone, everything.””

    So, its me again but here is full of idiot people, it sounds like a thief cry when police shut him down on crime scene…
    As far as I know – for every deleted file (due copyright abuse report received) Hotfile sends email notifications, so it’s obviously if your mailbox is full of such emails you don’t need to look surprised and cry like a baby at the end, right?

    • Yournamehere

      I know, what a douche. The little baby girl cries when he didn’t get a warning and lost all of “his” “files”. Complete tool.

    • Yournamehere

      I know, what a douche. The little baby girl cries when he didn’t get a warning and lost all of “his” “files”. Complete tool.

  • Jono

    I don’t know what your all complaining about, get used to it, it’s only a matter of time before all file host servers will go the same way in any case.

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  • Anonymous

    I used to be a huge proponent of Hotfile because for a time it was one of the best but as of late the aggressive takedowns (literally can happen within a couple of hours) and NO WAY THEY ARE verifying the content. I have posted links that contained nothing but textfiles that contain magnet link or something. Taken down
    Anyway, once my HF account expires this year they can kiss my buttocks goodbye..

    I’m already looking for other hosts. I had an Oron.com account that was actually good. I’ve also looked at Duckload. Duckload seems to keep the files the longest. I mean long after everyone’s other links is gone. Duckload is still there. FileServe seems to be taking the new lead tho.

    Tho I dont know who will lead the next crop of DDLs sharers. I just know that this shit is getting annoying.

  • wildfire

    real simple, just quit using them and goodbye hotfile and really folks if they charged and promised money back then they need to be closed. they need the money to run and hide as thier business model just got shut down. good and good i say as i never trusted them anyway.

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  • Gorp

    Hotfile is always removing everyone’s files. I am surprised you have noticed that just now. Stop using this lame service and use Megaupload or others.

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  • Anon

    ‘I deliver milk door to door. if somebody started to offer free delivery i would find out how they have managed to do it and then copy their methods. i would not try to stop them from offering their free service. i would change. something the entertainment distribution industry is unwilling to contemplate.’ But if they started to offer free delivery and free milk, how would you make a living? If file-sharers bring down the entertainment business, then they won’t have anything to watch – don’t they care? Why don’t they care?

  • Jim

    hahahhahahh GREAT DEPRESSION & RECESSION IS BACK

  • F4D

    my premium account on hotfile was suspended right now & apart from sharing files in my blog just in the spirit of sharing, yes I do it also for this some money that allows me to get premium features because in my country (Tunisia) we can’t make international payments, now I must restart the work with another… :s

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  • Quest

    fileserve and filesonic both suck!

  • Supercede

    File sharing is going to continue no matter what, the demand is high, and those who don’t like it can suck my dick.

  • Supercede

    File sharing is going to continue no matter what, the demand is high, and those who don’t like it can suck my dick.

  • http://www.globalskunkworks.com/ gbh

    fileserve or filesonic then?

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    derp

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  • reedit

    I think its just an action to shut up MPAAs mouth. Hotfile knows that if they delete all accounts that has copyrighted materials they will practically shut down their business. Nobody uses hotfile to host some family pictures or work related stuff.

    http://www.getaseedbox.com/

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