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How To Turn Customers Into Pirates

In the past we’ve given plenty of examples of how DRM hurts paying customers instead of the people it is meant for. Still, many software companies prefer to see their customers as potential ‘thieves’ but what they don’t realize, however, is that they are actually breeding pirates instead of stopping them.

Meet Mark, an IT guy at a small company who occasionally has to renew licenses for the software utilized by the business. Recently, he had to activate a copy of PaperPort, the scanning and document management software from Nuance. In order to free up another activation slot, he had to uninstall the old one first while being online. Like most activation licensed software, this doesn’t always work properly.

To resolve the issue Mark contacted Nuance’s support. To his surprise however, they didn’t want to help him straight away, instead asking him to take pictures of the CD in order to prove that the company owned a legitimate copy.

“I couldn’t believe my ears,” Mark told TorrentFreak. “After arguing with support for a while on how ridiculous it was, I still had to have the license within the day. To make a long story short I finally got them to unlock 2 licenses after 2 days of repeated calls and sending the picture of the CD multiple times.”

Upset at how he was treated by customer support, Mark decided to send an email to Nuance’s CEO Paul Ricci to inform him that alienating customers like this is not going to help him sell more products. The picture of the CDs that Mark had to supply was also sent to Ricci.

Dear Mr Ricci,

Our company has been using your product for nearly a decade. We have estimated that it is safe to say we have spent $3000 over the years on your product. We are by far not the biggest customer but in today’s economy we think every customer counts. We recently bought several PaperPort 11 licenses which we have used. We have upgraded our computers and the procedure is to uninstall paper port (While online) in order to free a license for the new computer. Sadly this did not work. My efforts at consulting with your technical support department were very time consuming, confusing, and ultimately pointless. To my surprise, they wanted me to take a PICTURE of the CDs we have. As an IT professional, I found this archaic exercise in futility to be absolutely appalling. Not only do your anti-piracy methods completely fail (There is no known anti-piracy method that works to this day, anything can be downloaded) but they cost me; the legitimate customer time and frustration. Attached is the picture I had to send in. This is to let you know that we are completely disgusted with your company’s procedures, and are no longer going to do any business with Nuance.

Just to let you know, being a computer engineer, I can guarantee you these statistics:

Pirates Stopped = 0
Legitimate Customers totally alienated = Thousands.

You may want to take a look at your stock trends of late, Mr. Ricci. Perhaps this poor customer service MIGHT explain some of that.

Here’s the Picture Mark sent, along with a personal note.
customers pirates

Ricci received the email in good order, and passed it on to the chief marketeer at Nuance, who wrote back to Mark. “I appreciate your note and will use it as a flashpoint for us to reevaluate this processes that you have correctly pointed out as archaic,” was his reply, and he offered some free copies of PaperPort, PDF and OmniPage “as a gesture of goodwill.”

Nuance has clearly recognized that they made a mistake and although it’s probably too late for some customers, we hope they’ve learned from it. Mark said that in hindsight his email to Ricci might have been a little bit over the top. But, it did make them realize that they were making a mistake, asking people to take pictures of their CDs.

“I was very upset and under a lot of pressure. My job is to solve problems in the quickest amount of time.. and taking pictures of CD’s or sticking them in a copier isn’t something anyone should ever have to do with their software,” Mark said.

“It just doesn’t make sense.”

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  • 5

    Good article. :)

    I cannot agree more with Mark.

  • none

    a perfect example, I like this posting and agree with it too. DRM has turned me off several purchases of games.

  • backupURL
  • http://www.10ch.org/ www.10ch.org

    One of the first steps, of course, is to stop trying to sue or attempting to inflict a penalty on non-commercial pirates.

  • Crash

    I never pirate games but I never buy ones with aggressive DRM either.

  • Hiphop

    my biggest problem is the failed implementation of DRM, (how it says normal people are not legal), and also how some have to be online constantly to let you play.

  • Dick for Brains

    He was supposed to use the scanning software to scan the scanning software. Brilliant!

  • Rasgriz

    Now we need to send a email like these to EA, Sony, Microsoft, Adobe, etc.

  • usaps

    I think mark is too nice… i just wont even bother to send the pic

    ;)

    just let them go out of bussiness, and then the place can be taken by a more intelligent company

    cool anyway!

  • An0n

    Haha, how ridiculous.

    I have to use Paperport at work and that program sucks. It works and feels like a Win 3.x program. Mark is better off finding something else to use.

  • Dutchie

    TomTom company is even worse with their ‘customer satisfaction’ I rently bought a official installation CD for Navigator 6 on a PDA. Before I bought this CD I contacted the helpdesk to ask if I will have the latest map version. They replied that I was able to download the latest version as soon the software was installed. I installed the maps, but was not possible to download the newest cards.

  • Fluffer? No, Swiffer!

    “Mark said that in hindsight his email to Ricci might have been a little bit over the top.”

    One could say the same of Nuance’s requests for photos of the CD’s. I’d say Mark responded appropriately, or, at the very worst, he responded in kind.

    .

  • snowman

    that sure teaches him to pay for software.

  • Anonymous

    lol

  • NubCakes

    “One of the first steps, of course, is to stop trying to sue or attempting to inflict a penalty on non-commercial pirates.”

    This guy is purchasing for business use.

  • NubCakes

    “(There is no known anti-piracy method that works to this day, anything can be downloaded)”

    People keep saying this over and over – WRONG.

    PS3 has still not been hacked and hence installing pirated versions is impossible.

  • Mmff…

    Look, I’m all for downloading off the internet (because, basically, I’m a poor, poor bastard and I wouldn’t have the resources to EVER buy the software, so they’re not “losing” a sale with me) but this whole article is like pirate propaganda.

    In the ‘War’ on pirates these archaic DRM methods have evolved as a countermeasure against digital thieves. Pirates make choices that lead to companies trying to defend their software — and the pirates blame the defending company for atrocities towards its customers? That is laughably illogical.

    I don’t care that any of you are stealing (hell, I do it myself), but don’t try to defend it like you’re some kind of Robin Hood figure doing justice to the poor and destitute… that’s just childish. It’s not ‘wrong’ of a company to try to make money off of their products, or to defend themselves against rampant theft. Want to abolish DRM? Don’t steal — stealing only gives them a reason to add DRM in the first place.

    That being said, I don’t have a better idea as to how to stop piracy (it’s simply unstoppable). My point is only that pirates pretend they’re doing a noble, honorable thing by stealing from a large company but they’re not — they’re just buying into digital-theft propaganda like in this article. Steal all you want, I don’t care, just don’t try to make it seem like it’s “right”.

  • http://www.10ch.org/ www.10ch.org

    “and the pirates blame the defending company for atrocities towards its customers?”
    The company is not defending. The company is attacking – attacking its customers.

    “Steal all you want, I don?t care, just don’t try to make it seem like it’s ‘right.’”
    You’re right, pirates are all immoral and are too prideful, and they should hang their heads more in shame because they are evil, and therefore should get rid of all of their pride, and instead, be self-loathing. Now, next time, say something that makes more sense.

  • anonymous

    My view is that you should pay for software if you make money from it, for example Auto CAD software, 3D Modelling, if you have a company then you should pay for the license, but if your a student then it should be free. As we don’t have £1000′s to spend on software.

  • SirronTM

    The whole digitally managed licensing idea is a waste of time. If you really must do business in this way, why not just charge the customer a subscription fee? Bill them for it every year or whatever. I don’t think major companies would want to risk running software for which their license has expired. And if they would, well then this entire revenue model has proved itself worthless; move on.

  • Comeoncomcast

    @Mmff

    Dude!, Stay off the crack! =P I should kick your boney ass right now

    So your saying

    Its OK for Bell, CA to rip off their customers
    Its OK for Apple to implement DRM on iTunes and rip off their own Artists
    Its OK for the Gov to Filter the net
    Its OK for Eircom to open 250,000 customers of its own to hack

    Get a job Loser!

    Viva la Pirat’ Byran

  • Anonymous

    @20 “why not just charge the customer a subscription fee? Bill them for it every year or whatever.”

    Please god no, this would just push me to pirate even more than I already do. The more ties I’m forced into the less chance there is I’ll purchase something legitimately. GTAIV for example, I almost bought that until I found out I had to register with GFW, Rockstars community, and activate online, AND had to be connected to save my game. Too many ties.

  • http://www.10ch.org/ www.10ch.org

    @17 Mmff…
    To clarify, you are entirely wrong when you call sharers “thieves.” Learn to use a dictionary. To “steal” means to take something away from somebody. Making duplicates does not take anything away from anybody. You are just like one of those MAFIAA people who say that all sharing is stealng.

  • http://www.10ch.org/ www.10ch.org

    @17 Mmff…
    In addition, you are also ridiculous in saying that DRM and other such things are what enables companies to make money, and that companies cannot make money when there is non-commercial piracy, which is also ridiculous, since The Pirate Bay has been around for a long time. Say something that makes more sense next time.

  • Patrick

    @17: So you mean because there’re people robbing the bank, anytime you want to withdraw your money from ATM machine or doing anything in bank branches, you’ll have to bring along your whole truck of papers to prove that you’re yourself?

    Does that means anytime a police officer approach you, you have to have your whole briefcase of your IC, your birth certificate, your DNA report, your HIV report, your blood test (not more than 1 month old please), your bank bill for residential address proof and whatever the officer needs to verify you’re you?

  • xentar

    Taking pictures disks… It’s almost like those “search for a particular word in the manual” checks in games of the past.

  • Yup

    “PS3 has still not been hacked and hence installing pirated versions is impossible.”

    It’s just a matter of time.

    You’ll see. ;)

  • Me

    This isn’t really about anti-piracy, this is about a stupid company who doesn’t know how to treat costumers.

  • you

    Off topic but Anyone noticed all the good movie comments on TPB on files not even movies

  • Michael Campbell

    > PS3 has still not been hacked and hence installing pirated versions is impossible.

    That’s because no one has bought one.

  • babu

    doesn’t Nuance keep records of clients who have genuinely purchased their products?! Or do they keep photo albums?!!

  • Gretta

    Roze: “The company is not defending. The company is attacking – attacking its customers.”

    Get a grip you retarded man: providing woeful tech support is not “attacking” customers.

    “which is also ridiculous, since The Pirate Bay has been around for a long time. Say something that makes more sense next time.”

    Using the justification of “the pirate Bay has been around a long time” is a ridiculous jutification that makes little sense.

    “> PS3 has still not been hacked and hence installing pirated versions is impossible.

    That’s because no one has bought one.”

    Oh right – I guess people are just making up the 20 million units sold figure then. I sense an Xbot twit…

    This article is pretty pathetic – how is a case of poor tech supprt where the customer has no intention of pirating as a result even worth writing about?

  • EdwardNorton

    Every Tech Support sucks. Never fun talking to a lower intellect that just reads from a scripted problem list.

    O By the way, Piracy is toetalee Noble.

  • Doesnyat

    Working in IT and in my personal life I’ve had many experiences like these myself. Working I can’t of course do much about it, but try to get through it as quick and painless as I can.

    When it comes to software I own myself I simply turn to piracy. I have already paid for the product so I’m not breaking any laws by downloading it. I use nzb’s not torrents so I’m not uploading.

    Websites like gog.com and Stardock are excellent examples of people who have understood that DRM is bs. According to Gabe Newell, Valve knows this as well, but they don’t actually do anything with that knowledge.

  • crackedup

    The poor guy could have just downloaded a crack from a torrent site and saved himself a lot of time and trouble.

    http://torrentfreak.com/ubisofts-no-cd-answer-to-drm-080718/

  • mustangx

    Thanks for the article Ernesto, was worth the read.A nice example of one of the many reasons some of us choose not to buy overpriced softwares. I have had some similar real life experiences such as this myself where it was insinuated I was a thief when in fact I most certainly was not.

  • lol

    “PS3 has still not been hacked and hence installing pirated versions is impossible.”

    PS3 is also by far the worst selling of the three consoles, ooooh the coincidence :)

  • Bob

    Yeah, DRM sucks. But I’ve grown old enough to hate the leeching pirates more. I haven’t had a bad DRM experience in about 8 years. But the pirates are on a roll now. So I say, “Go DRM. Go DRM. Beat down those leeching no goods.”

  • Sarah

    Nuance didn’t learn it’s lesson! The response he got was canned. If they learned their lesson, the CEO would’ve taken 2 minutes to write an email himself rather than pass it off to some hapless marketer. Having BEEN that hapless marketer for a software company, I can tell you that nothing ever changed. Just when someone bitched that loud, I’d send a free key or two to shut them up and prevent them from badmouthing our software. But again, nothing ever changed, and I find it hard to believe that Nuance has done anything to fix the real problem.

  • Torley

    There is nothing “over the top” about this. The language was firm but not abusive, and the point has been made. The fact the story has been amplified should serve to show other companies the VALUE in treating their customers well instead of doing the unthinkable of perceiving them as criminals — as we see time and time again, it ONLY encourages the opposite behavior.

    More companies’ marketing wings need to have savvy people with a heart for issues like this and a talent for psychological earnesty. Just like cultural sensitivity is important, technological sensitivity and plain outright usability is essential!

    Let’s keep rewarding companies that reward their customers, they deserve our business and for thinking things through correctly, then acting on them.

  • TomTom User

    @11 – re TomTom

    I have had the same issue with TomTom. Notice how they avoid saying you can keep up-to-date with Nav6, they only say you can download their latest maps — which are now 2 years old and they are NOT going to update them (or the Home software for Nav6 users). They’re on the grey side of ethical and I wish more people knew this.

  • Greg

    I would’ve included a link to a torrent of the software as a PS in the email.

  • Linus

    How about googling “Paperport opensource” for your next Paperport upgrade?

  • sadstateofaffairs

    For those of you in the States still making the distinction between commercial and non-commercial use, enough already.

    Since the 2001 Napster court case, anyone downloading copyright material is considered to do this ‘for commercial purposes’, because of the simple fact that, in the eyes of the law, you ‘save the expense of purchasing an authorized copy’.

    Look up ‘repeated and exploitative copying’ if you don’t believe me.

  • Anonymous

    Nubcakes, you’re wrong.

    the PS3 has been cracked, I can download binaries right now.

    The difference is that, because PS3 is a proprietary system it takes a LOT of work to be able to play those games, so it’s easier for most people just to buy them.

    That may change in the future.

    There is no uncrackable/unhackable system. If a system has users, it can be cracked/hacked

  • ninjapirat

    a link to PaperPort.torrent would make this article complete.

  • pink panther

    EPIC FAIL: PaperWipe wanted only a picture of the CD and NOTHING ELSE? My goodness that’s lax security. Anyone could download a GIF from the interwebs and mock up something. Nothing less than a picture with that guy, plus his photo ID, and today’s copy of the NY Times could possibly be sufficient proof. Even then, he could be posing with the CD from the office across the hall. Did they require an infrared photo to check for fingerprints?

  • Funky

    @17: You don’t get the point. The guy is NOT a pirate at all. He bought the software. And he got in trouble.

    That’s why DRM is bad for the customer. This has nothing to do with Robin Hood and the like. DRM is only(!) hurting paying customers and never the pirates since the stuff comes out cracked/hacked anyways. Only the stupid guy who buys the software is affected by DRM.

    I buy MP3s from Amazon. But ever since I had to manually delete many hundred legally bought iTunes songs I swear I will NEVER buy a DRMed song ever again.

  • torrents for life

    RE ps3 hacking

    ps3 also comes with regular system updates which makes hacking more complicated (not impossible e.g. psp)

    youre comparing what is almost firmware with software. all software drm is easily hackable

    when something is played on my screen or speakers i can write drivers to capture what is played by-passing any drm. if something is executed on my cpu/hardisks i can track them and defeat the drm that way. its takes alot more skill to do this on a ps3 where the hardware itself is against you.

  • PS3 Hacked

    PS3 has been “hacked” since Nov 2006.

  • schinkowski

    A lot more people should stand up for themselves like that.
    I hope he declined the free copies and told them what to do with them!

  • Incredulous

    The PS3 has been hacked but no one cares apparently. The hack was done using a combination of software and hardware. Naturally.

    Once that is done you load Linux on it and so on… tsk tsk

    If man can make it any other person can unmake it. Its my car and I will bling it the way I want to. If I want to put in a supercharger I can but for some reason if it is a computer the manufacturers think they still own it.

    Imagine what would happen if the major car people said this is still our car you can only drive during the day because the brakes are unsafe at night?

  • Anonymous

    “As an IT professional, I found this archaic exercise in futility to be absolutely appalling.”

    Amen brother

  • Freebase

    I’m an IT guy in a large enterprise and have had more than my fair share of run-ins with DRM. Forgetting to uninstall an app to release a license before wiping a computer is a bitch. Or having a licensing server fail and disable 500 users of a product a nightmare.

    I see all my products available for free on the internet while I suffer with DRM.

    Half joking the last time we had a DRM problem, I suggested that we solve our problem by getting a crack. But lately a number of my co-workers are starting to agree that it’s a legitimate solution.

    Why should DRM cost us time, money and productivity? We can buy the licenses, but install the crack instead. I don’t think this would be pirating because we would still purchase a license for every copy we use.

    Anyone see a problem with my logic?

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  • Exerci

    @Freebase

    No problem with your logic. But in a technical sense, you’re still a filthy pirate who should burn in hell. Last I checked, you’re not allowed to circumvent the DRM of shit. I’m fairly sure you know this, but it’s just the stupidity of the concept DRM. Because it’s just a system meant to harass commercial users, and force crackers to instead of spending 30 minutes making a rip, they spend maybe a day if it’s a particularly nasty piece of DRM to get around it. But then they’re around it, and the only persons who have to deal with it are… people who don’t get the illegal version.

  • horsemeat

    The PS3 has not been hacked yet, what are you people on about, yes you can run Linux/otheros because Sony allows you to. This is run using the hypervisor which restricts the hardware such as only allowing you to use 2 of the 7 cores and having limited access to the graphics chip/memory.

    Not useful if you want to play pirated ps3 games ^^.

    The PSP was hacked because the first version 1.x firmwares did not have any copy protection on it, so that was a good starting point for future versions.

    The ps3 will eventually be hacked but I don’t think it will be as easy as the PSP, yes no DRM system is 100% but some are effective enough the PS3 being one of the best so far…

  • hershey

    good job!

  • W.S.

    That’s very close to the reason we stopped using OmniPage.

  • bob

    we have spent $3000 over the years…

    and no one cares, send the dude a picture and get on with your life

  • sp33dyf33t

    i completely agree with this article. its kind of funny how the timing of this corresponds with the recent pirate bay trial. i found a good article on it here

    http://www.ffwtech.com/?p=82

    but as companies try and stop pirating all they do is push people to returning their flawed products and make downloading look so much better than buying them.

  • bren jacobson

    i am a minister and believe in paying for what i use but i have an entire shelf of software that is unusable because of copy protection including many $50 dollar games like prince of persia, spore, c.o.d. etc. that have never worked because of copy protection. the companies who produce these programs have non-existent, frustrating, time wasting, or useless tech. support. i recently spoke of this problem to a young person and he suggested pirating software from pirate bay, not to save money but because the copy protection has been removed and the software will actually work as it is supposed to. he was correct. it is not honest to do this but is less dishonest than a company selling me a program for up to $300 that will not work at all, that messes up my computer, and which they do not give support for.

  • bobcat

    Better then EA if you lose the cdkey to a game which in on the manual, you either have to send them the upc from the manual (which you lost), or send the disc, plus $10. so what do you think most people do, visit the internet

  • killer 7

    “PS3 has still not been hacked and hence installing pirated versions is impossible.”

    there has been good progress made on kernal downgrades and people have managed to flash infectus chips with debug firmware so they can boot backups, but wont pass dnas yet so they cant play online, the scene is making progress but its nothing for the average hacking ‘noob’ to attempt at all

    plus the ps3 is doing fairly well according to sales, it might not sell as much as the 360, but over the lifespan it will probably end up making more revenue due to blu-ray, and some games actually doing better on the ps3 format (ie street fighter 4 is selling more in the uk on the ps3 rather than 360), plus taking in the fact that microsofts disc and console replacement scheme is costing them far much more than they hoped for

  • darph

    http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4423527/Paperport_11

    problem solved!

    and please don’t attack me. becaz i’m not gonna come back here to read replies to my comments. until there’s a new story i won’t be back to TF.

    cheers!

  • asdasd

    reminds me of the fact that only loyal customers actually get to see the “you wouldnt steal a movie” etc. anti-piracy propaganda before movies, but the pirates themselves are not addressed :)

  • OMGHACKs

    “PS3 has still not been hacked and hence installing pirated versions is impossible.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homebrew_(video_games)#PlayStation_3

    Only a matter of time really.
    No one said it happens immediately.
    A tall wall just requires more climbing.
    And your comparing apples to oranges. Your comparing hacking proprietary firmware, hardware, and software all at once to hacking software on “open” firmware and hardware.

  • Anonymous

    @Freebase

    You don’t seem to know very much about security. The virus developers and hackers are always ahead of the anit-virus and other security software.

  • Dhanish

    Oh, I love this article, I’m going to share it with all my consultant colleague. I bet they will love it too. I’ve had this kind of experience before :-(.

  • OMGHACKs

    “PS3 has still not been hacked and hence installing pirated versions is impossible.”

    One of the reasons this hasn’t happened is Sony made a smart move in allowing the system to take things like Linux and homebrew out of the box. This remove two important groups from the equation first homebrewer who don’t need to hack to homebrew, and Pirates looking to make money because they can’t use the excuse that they are selling the modchips for homebrew only (as easily).

  • DarthSkywalker

    How to turn customers into pirates indeed!

    I have been a professional audio engineer for over 20 years and have used WaveLab 2.02 (which I bought) ever since it came out. I had no need for upgrades, for everything I needed was already in it. But when I got a new CD burner, WaveLab didn’t recognize it, so I got a utility tool from the manufacturer’s site that could identify new burners.

    It didn’t work, and I called my dealer, who explained that the utility only worked with WaveLab 2.03 and higher. When I asked where I could get the update, the answer was that it wasn’t available anymore.

    “OK, then I guess I’ll need an upgrade to Wavelab 3.0.” “I’m sorry, we’re already at 4.0.” “Then I’d like to order an upgrade to 4.0.” “I’m sorry, upgrades to 4.0 only work on version 2.03 or higher.” “So you mean I have to buy the program all over again, just to make my new burner work?” “Basically, yes.”

    Basically, my a$$. :( (Guess what I did?)

  • wii wii

    ” “PS3 has still not been hacked and hence installing pirated versions is impossible.”

    It’s just a matter of time.

    You’ll see. ;)”

    everyone’s just hackin xbox and downloadin free games…all the good hackers got no time for ps3…

  • Mark

    All this is more reason to use Open Source software. It doesn’t allways fit the bill but quite often it does. It costs nothing so no harm in trying. If it does work then sent the developer a buck or two for his efforts. That way it can only get better

  • GZ

    This is a typical example of the extent that anti-piracy measures has slumped to. The recent trend of online activation and other excessive “Proof of purchase” non-sense has alienated millions of consumers/customers worldwide, not to mention potential ones. Yet those who downloaded the software “illegally” suffer absolutley NONE of the constrictions a legal puchase imposes.

  • Anonymous

    Obviously, DRM is always bad customer service.

  • sch1sm

    Torrent freak is spot on. DRM is ridiculous, it makes people that actually want to legitimately pay for software end up turning into pirates. I recently purchased far cry 2 and had to download a crack online just to play the damn game!

  • Brian

    To this day I think that Adobe is one of the few companies to handle the issue of piracy in a truly sane way. While other companies have gone to ridiculous lengths to keep their software safe from pirates (AutoCAD, Quark, MasterCAM, Windows Vista), Adobe still only requires the CD key. In addition they make automated installs a breeze for their products, which is a big deal to me and other business and enterprise customers like Mark.

  • Offbeatmammal

    I don’t mind DRM but I do dislike it when it doesn’t work – in this case blocking a legitimate customer trying to do the right thing, but also (for instance) with music or ebooks where I lose the rights I’d have if I bought the physical media. For instance even after paying several hundred bucks for a Kindle and almost the same price as a physical copy for a book I then can’t give it to a friend, lend it, or sell it to a book exchange.

  • Anonymous

    Oh my god, he had to walk to the copy machine, make a photocopy of the discs, and email them to tech support so they could verify he had a hard copy with the corresponding serial on them. Damn that company for wanting to verify that this customer spent money on a product before the company spent valuable time and money on a support call. I mean, what nerve, asking someone to prove that they were the owner of a product before partaking in free software support provided by a company. What is the world coming to? This guy gets paid for doing exactly what he did. And if he doesn’t like it, he can get another job where he doesn’t have to bother with software. Grow up.

  • Sam H

    Yeah,
    A while ago Steam, a web distribution service froze my account, with well over $300 worth of games on it, due to them thinking I had illegally gotten the games. So customer support told me I had to “verify” I had bought the games with CD’s, and after arguing with the customer service man, he said, “Either send us a picture of your CD’s or we will permanently ban the account. It’s amazing people buy legitimately still…

  • Some Guy

    I had an instance where I was installing a fresh/legit copy of SPSS onto a new computer and I didn’t know which version to install. It is at a University so I figured it was the Network version. Oops, it’s the Single User Version! But no matter what I tried, uninstalling, ripping out of the register, running the license manager. Nothing would let me choose the correct version. I called tech support and was on hold for 2 hours before I gave up.

    My University IT dept said I had to call the company – they would tell me how to fix it so I can reinstall to the single user with the correct numbers.

    Never got the company to respond, finally had to reformat and install the correct version. I can’t imagine how long it would have taken for the company to finally get to me to fix the issue.

    If I couldn’t reformat the PC I was just going to download the serial from a torrent.

    Stupid DRM

    Stupid Copy Protection, I own legit copies and would have had to pirate one to make it work.

  • David H

    “Mark said that in hindsight his email to Ricci might have been a little bit over the top.”

    Absolutely!

    “We have estimated that it is safe to say we have spent $3000 over the years on your product.”

    I’ve worked in retail for many years, and this tactic has been used by many customers as a rationalization for upcoming bad behavior.

    “My efforts at consulting with your technical support department were very time consuming, confusing, and ultimately pointless.”

    No, it wasn’t pointless, because the next line in the email specifies the resolution to the problem.

    “I found this archaic exercise in futility to be absolutely appalling.”

    Really? Appalling? There’s more exaggeration:

    “This is to let you know that we are completely disgusted with your company’s procedures…”

    Is this really an appropriate response to the request for a picture of the CDs?

    The customer here has a point, but it could have been made without resorting to hyperbole.

  • squirrelonfire

    what if i don’t have a camera, that was just nonsense.

  • Mark

    Hey all this is Mark from the article, just FYI those serials on the front I taped to the CD’s, so the picture was not used to verify the serials.

  • PostNuclearBlastSquirrel

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I cant even bear to read this article, after so many similar experiences. DavidH who critiques the letter to Nuance – dude – get a life. Sure the letter can be critiqued as over the top but its sincere in its expression of utter frustration. The company responded properly, not like Miss Manners, which impresses me.

  • name

    Asking for a photo of a proof-of-purchase on the other hand seems pretty reasonable to me. Most stores demand to see a receipt for returns, etc. How frickin hard is it to take a cellphone, scanner or webcam and point it at your discs. Jesus, you could so that during the call. If this guy wants to complain about something, he should stick to objecting to the DRM.

  • JeffCDN

    This is nothing. You guys need to look up SingStar’s DRM. WORST ever. My PS3 died, so I bought a new one. Was able to reinstall all my DLC except for the SingStar tracks, which were associated to my old broken PS3. Called up CS, they said I had to unauthorize them, but I could not because the damn PS3 they were on was broken. To add insult to injury, I could not even pay to download them again, as they were listed as already downloaded under my PSN account!

    The first Sony rep was useless. Had to make several phone calls until I got someone who told me I had to write a letter to PSN and photocopy my reciept… A week later I was finally able to download them.

    FAIL!

  • cc

    The truly immature people on here who are defending piracy with any excuse that suits their purpose is appalling. Here’s an analogy (although you probably won’t want to hear it) …

    Imagine you worked for a manufacturer, or a company that was somehow associated with a manufacturer (almost every company). Maybe you actually do!

    Now imagine there is a machine that can copy ANYTHING. Radios, TV’s, cars … something that the company you work for manufactures. And this machine is small enough that it can fit in a garage and affordable to many.

    Guess what? … You’re out of a job … forever!
    Software pricey is no different. Music piracy is no different.

    “sharing” … give me a f’ing break.

  • angryrat

    The same goes 10000% more with games… The whole obscene anti-piracy measures they made with Bioshock, Dead Space, even HL2 (you can’t ask me to be online all the time. What if I want to install the game on my laptop while I’m protecting America on board of a nuclear submarine? I know of someone who happened to be in this situation) just made sure I don’t touch those programs. What if the company goes out of business in 10 years? I can’t authenticate the game from then on? What do you mean I can’t install it as many times as I want to?
    It’s easier to download, but then it’d made me a bad person. Instead it saves up time and money I’d spend on these games for other games, or to actually live a life.
    Their loss, my gain.

  • Diddlydoo

    Please also write about Adobe and how their pricing strategy for CS4 suite of products is just plain outrageous and that no computer science/IT/IS/design student would ever be able to afford their pricing, and is forced into pirating the software. If it was priced equal to an OS delivered by Microsoft/Apple then maybe more students would afford purchasing their product, but as it is, not even parents are willing to pay the amount Adobe ask for their products for their kids. Dad/Mom could you help me? I need 1000 dollars (US $999) for software… I don’t think most startups would even be able to afford it.

    http://www.adobe.com/education/products/creativesuite/mastercollection/

    So instead of making some money, Adobe makes no money off the struggling student crowd who pay already outrageous school fees . Nor do they make any money off of fresh graduates who are trying to make their own startups. Yes, many industries are creating pirates thanks to their business models!

  • Chris

    The thing I don’t understand is, what’s the point of Paperport? Why do you need a special program to scan and manage images?

    And why does this paper have so much paper that needs to be scanned anyway? How about saving some trees and going paperless!

  • james

    “Mark said that in hindsight his email to Ricci might have been a little bit over the top…”

    This, I am afraid, is the big problem. His email was forthright, to the point and gained the result he intended.

    I wonder if we, as consumers or customers, habitually shirk from such responses to poor service because it happens ~so~ often?

    Maybe company CEOs could do with receiving more concise, straight-to-the-point emails of complaint like this excellent one. Great article, and an example to us all.

  • Neverhood

    Good article.
    And to the people who says that DRM is justified because of piracy; that is pointless to say, because if people think that a product is annoying they will buy from the competitor who is smart enough to not use DRM, and that is not the customers problem.

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  • fehmi

    hello i had the same problem in my company the only difference is that i had a dongle that count the instalation slot alowed some times we lost some instalation because some machine get formated of stop to work we weare losing instlation slot because of that
    so i thinked about vmware , i instaled the software in a vmware machine , i even desintaled it to get back my instaltion slot
    now i can instal my software by coping the vmware image to the computer of the users

  • alex

    Hear hear to the people telling the guy who had to scan the disc to grow up.

    I have worked in a company where I was put in the same position of having to ask for someone to scan a disk and send me the picture.

    Why? Because the customer hadn’t registered the product. Because he’d thrown away all other proofs of purchase and needed to upgrade. Because short of getting into a timemachine to go get these things, its a simple way to get round urgent problems.

    Let’s read between the lines of this article.

    “To resolve the issue Mark contacted Nuance’s support. To his surprise however, they didn’t want to help him straight away, instead asking him to take pictures of the CD in order to prove that the company owned a legitimate copy.”

    Do they have a registration system at Nuance? I suspect so. Was his product registered registered? I suspect not. TO HIS SURPRISE! To his surprise they didn’t want to just instantly give free licenses to some guy over the phone with no proof of ever having bought their software? Are you high? Has he thought about this from the perspective of a reasonable person for one second?

    With the automatic systems not functioning, and I’m suspecting a product that wasn’t registered, what was the simplest reasonable thing that could be done to prove you have the disks? Does any reasonable person expect a company to send license activations to someone who has no way of proving that he ever bought their product?

    You had to scan a disk because that was all that was left to do. And that took what, five minutes? And this is your job right, to get software to work?

  • alex

    …in effect he is saying to the company: the hell with you. the hell with you for actually checking to make sure I am a customer, so that you don’t spend any time giving free tech support to people who DIDN’T buy.

    oh and the hell with you for providing a quick option when all other means have failed and I didn’t register.

  • Rage

    Never thought a company would use “Pics or it didn’t happen” as a security measure…

  • alex

    The security measure is the inbuilt system (which I’m sure could have been made to work but the customer was predictably last minute), and the registration system. Scanning the disks is all you’re left with when the angry person on the phone who has left everything to the last minute can’t wait to resolve through usual channels.

    As a company you’re basically saying, allright then – meet us halfway and we’ll bend the rules for you. And then the guy tells you to go to hell for that.

  • Anonymous

    I routinely do not register. In the past registering anything has just put you on spam lists sold to anyone.

    The guy had the disks with what appear to have had serial numbers stickers on them. Sometime tech support really is annoying and I expect in this case was the biggest factor in Marks letter. Would not the serial numbers been helpful?

    The real fault was the failure of the unlicensing to have freed up the license he needed.

    I had a laptop that got bricked when after downloading a recommended upgrade from gateway.
    They had me photograph it, and jump thru all these hoops, I gave up finally.
    which is really what they wanted in the first place.

  • what_if

    what if they don’t sell sw by cd anymore.. in future they can’t scan that anymore.. :D

  • Jaypoc

    I had a similar issue with Microsoft. I reinstalled my PC, but lost the original pamphlet with my CD-Key.

    I recieved a leitimate key and a link to download Office from attending a Microsoft hosted seminar.

    They had no record of me in their systems and after more than 2 hours on the phone trying to recover my legitimate key, I gave up. It took me 5 minutes to find Microsoft Office on BitTorrent and would have installed the pirated copy, save for the fact I found my original pamphlet with my key.

    It took me 10 minutes to find and download the software illegally, but took me over 2 hours to get nowhere when I called Microsoft directly.

    This is what companies need to address to prevent piracy! Not add additional layers for the “crackers” to circumvent. That just makes it harder on us legitimate users and pushes us towards alternative methods.

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  • openpower

    the company has reacted properly. you still publish the article as an “open letter” delivering the plot when it is already too late. this is a smearing technique and not really proper online journalism.

  • lol

    ok so this site elaborates multiple times on what has gone wrong.

    but there are no solutions offered. ridiculously hard now to make a living in music.

  • sp33dyf33t

    haha i love this. its so frustrating having to deal with overprotective companies. kind of funny how the pirate bay trial is talking about this same exact thing http://www.ffwtech.com/?p=82

  • IT_Losers_Suck

    What a whiner. Everyone makes you jump through hurdles. Yes it sucks they didn’t have an easier method, but that is no reason to go on a tirade.

    Some companies have figured out how to do it better. But instead of wasting his breath, the customer should have tried to work with the company over the years to make it easier. But as usual customers whine when things dont go their way at that very moment. If he was truly a customer all these years — did he ever write them to say what was GOOD about the product? did he every particpate in a beta program? compliment tech support when it came through for him?

    I would fire this guy.

  • IT_Losers_Suck

    One other thing — just because YOU can’t (or don’t want) to do something, that does not justify why you can break the law.

    In that regard I would LOVE to skip airport security. It sucks, no fun, and no added value for honest people. But there is a reason for it — and doesn’t mean I should circumvent it.

  • jeesh

    Thats it you heard it here first
    DRM is like airport security.

    Why not homeland security?

    what crap.

  • Michael

    I’ve had similar problems with OrCad and Altium Designer (both are some *VERY* expensive software packages for electronic engineers).

    OrCad always makes DRM problems when we try to install it, and we have to contact support each and every time we do a new install, because the USB dongles and FlexLM never work properly. It’s amasing the number of different errors those two bastards can come up with in combination…

    Altium has a floating license DRM system, which drops out every so often. Meaning that we can’t use our expensive software, and we waste our time on crap like this.

    As a result many of our engineers have started using piratebay licenses, which seem to work quite well. The only problem is that we now have to manually keep track of the number of licenses in use, but it’s a lot less work and fustration than their idiotic DRM systems.

  • Erin

    @Mmff

    It is clear that you missed the entire point of this post. How sad…because it was a good point.

  • Anonymous

    When it comes to those who follow the rules or try to do the right thing (especially when it comes to DRM)…

    “No good deed goes unpunished!”

  • GGG

    “but what they don’t realize, however, is that they are actually breeding pirates instead of stopping them.”

    Wait – I thought pirates were good. Pirates don’t hurt anybody. Pirates are useful. If TorrentFreak keeps posting articles like this – implying that piracy hurts companies – then I’m not visiting this site anymore!

  • br0adband

    There was absolutely nothing over the top in his email to Nuance. It’s exactly what I would have written, and quite a bit more tame actually. He strikes all the necessary points that need to be made, and unfortunately for the software producers, they really don’t have much choice: it’s either do something to protect their content or absolutely nothing at all and leave it wide open.

    Sad, but true. But his email was spot on from all degrees. Good job…

  • JamesJoyce

    I was going to buy Spore the day it came out because my girlfriend liked the creature creator. The day it came out I heard it had DRM. So I waited thinking a drm free version would come out a couple weeks after. Then the reviews all came back and said it sucked. So glad EA had drm or I’d be out 50 bucks!

  • BS

    @94 No his job is to properly install software, not to spend all day jacking away on the phone with some mindless tech support rep, only to have to go through the BS of sending pics.

    I bet if you worked there and it was your pc he was working on, you’d be bitching up a storm at him when it wasn’t working right within 5 minutes. I mean after all you sound like one of those “IT should fix my problems first, in the time it takes to snap my fingers, and if they don’t I’ll complain on up the chain”.

    STFU

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  • JadeStar

    Theft
    Theft\, n. [OE. thefte, AS. [thorn]i['e]f[eth]e, [thorn][=y]f[eth]e, [thorn]e['o]f[eth]e. See Thief.]

    1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.

    Without depriving the rightful owner of possession or use, it seems fallacious to claim that theft is occurring. Therefore, “theft” and “stealing” (the act of theft) are completely meaningless regarding digital copies. Just so you know that know theft was involved in giving this definition, here’s the source info:

    theft. Dictionary.com. Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary. MICRA, Inc. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theft (accessed: March 01, 2009).

  • China

    I live in China land of the pirate dvd. When the studios started releasing high quality dvd’s here at the discounted price I went out and purchased several thinking I would replace all my pirate dvd’s due to their questionable quality and subtitles. What I found was a 15 minute unskipable add telling me why I should not buy fake dvd’s. I returned the unopened ones and have not bought any since. About 2 weeks latter I found a group that was copying these dvd’s and cutting out the stupid piracy ad. So guess what I buy…

  • TwoPence

    “1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.”

    The intent is kind of irrelevant. People don’t steal cars with the INTENTION of depriving their owners of the car – but with the INTENTION of having a car for themselves.

    “theft” is actually a little more complicated than you make it out to be. You could, for example, define theft as “taking something that doesn’t belong to you against the owner’s wishes”. Also, according to your definition of theft, Identity Theft isn’t “Theft” either – because Identity Theft doesn’t deprive the original person of their identity. Maybe we should call it “Identity Sharing”.

  • Bob King

    After spending two hundred bucks to repair an obscenely expensive C64 floppy drive that was misaligned as a result of EA copy protection, I used Fast Hackem to strip copy protection from every disk. Oh, and just incidentally, M.U.L.E. loaded in about thirty seconds, instead of half an hour.

    It is both immoral and stupid to use tactics that impose actual costs upon honest users. It’s unsurprising that such amazing idiocy did a great deal to create a pirate community. You would have thought that someone would have figured out that insulting, annoying and inconveniancing customers was likely to end up right here.

    Hell, it probably also accounts for the whole open source movement. If it’s bad on the customer end, what must it be like WORKING for such control-freaks?

    Maybe if folks started invoicing for time lost due to faulty DRM software, they might figure out some way of being correct about managing their rights.

  • Mark

    @ 114 BS

    Yeah thats exactly what going on, pretty much every person criticizing my actions have either no job or concept of one. When people are breathing down your neck (Executives) you don’t feel much like jumping through hoops when it should have worked right in the first place.

    What happened was an executives computer failed and I had to build a new one. I could still uninstall PP from the old machine but it didn’t work.. hence the article above.

    The point a lot of people have seemingly missed: I tried to do it right, it didn’t work and we had to pay. It was pointless because the system doesn’t stop pirates, it only aggravates customers.

    Keep trying.. nobody has made any legit points yet.

  • KTM EXCF 250

    “Not only do your anti-piracy methods completely fail ”

    Very Nice!

    ———
    TPB FTW
    ———

  • abogey

    It seems that any ‘Theft’ involved in this case was that of depriving the customer of the rightful use of the PaperPort software.

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  • Michael Long

    Theft is defined as the “act of stealing”, and the definition of stealing from MW, is:

    1 a: to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully b: to take away by force or unjust means c: to take surreptitiously or without permission d: to appropriate to oneself or beyond one’s proper share.

    Seems like a, c, and d easily apply. And I could make a case for “b”. People accuse the industry of biasing the argument by using the term theft, but I say it applies quite well.

    And that any attempt to use another word with different connotations (sharing) is little more than propoganda from the other side.

  • hi

    I totally support Mark’s way of reacting.

    I don’t work in IT but the intrusive DRM bullsh1t prevented me from buying Bioshock and GTA IV.

    Why ? Because I had bought Half Life 2, and steam didn’t work, actually my account got cancelled without reason back in the time. So I had to download a cracked copy to enjoy the product I had bought for 60€.
    And steam support never answered my questions.

    Needless to say, now I always download games before buying. And they have to be EXTREMELY good.

  • DagnyT

    Why is it so hard to be a customer, particularly these days? I am glad that Mark has created a “flashpoint” for Nuance. (Notice that they don’t know anything about customer service, but their marketing person knows enough to use trendy language.) This is the same company that barrages me with multiple calls every week to buy more of their products.

  • ForTheHateOfCopyright

    Use free/open software, restriction and DRM free!

  • UNF

    New multiple-choice P2P analogy for dummies harping about theft …

    I visit the Louvre in Paris, where a prominent sign on the door says “Photography not allowed”. However, I use my cellfone to snap ‘Mona Lisa’, the renowned national art treasure, property of France. The foto later appears on ArseBook.com, etc.

    Q1: Consequently, I should be …

    A) Hunted down and recycled for plant-food?

    B) Criminalised for the amazing theft?

    C) Sued €1billion for breaching DaVinci’s copyright?

    D) Ignored.

    Q2: The fact that France picks D to answer Q1 indicates that …

    A) French Commies has legalised theft.

    B) Pixelated .JPG =/= Mona Lisa.

    C) I is stupids American retard.

    ===

  • Lookie.
  • UNF

    PS: What the F**K does
    … “Please watch your language” …
    mean, as it appears beneath the box for posting comments on TF?

    Which twisted C**T barfed out this trite, infantile slogan recommending self-censorship?

    Was it the same mindless B**TARD who imposed the robot filter for ‘moderation’ of comments containing words mummy could never approve?

    Now remove this filth, before I taunt you a second time!

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  • LadyXpress

    Maybe I’m missing something here, but I don’t understand all the hoopla over having to make a copy of two CDs. I know the frustration of being shuffled from tech to tech when trying to solve a software issue, but what’s the big deal in making copies of the CDs to get your problem resolved? How much time did it really take? If that process doesn’t stop piracy, or even if it creates it, that shouldn’t be a problem unless you own stock in the software company! But it apparently would have made the Nuance customer service department happy and everyone could have moved on without getting all worked up. I know in the long run the cost of merchandise does get affected by piracy, but that should have been the least of your worries since you already owned the software!

  • @126

    Actually, talking pictures at the Louvres is only forbidden because the cameras’ flashlights damage the paintings (like a sunburst on skin).

  • Zbot

    @129
    W…T…F are you talking about?

    Nuance restricted trade of his company by two days because he was a LEGITIMATE customer.

    “If that process doesn’t stop piracy, or even if it creates it, that shouldn’t be a problem unless you own stock in the software company!”

    -What? his company owns their product and you don’t understand why he considers the “process” a problem.. spending two days talking on a phone is normal for a woman I guess? It’s a problem because he was forced through that “process” and that same “process” is ultimately redundant.

    The current Anti-Piracy measures do not work, it is clearly pointless to put paying customers through this crap.

  • @# 89

    89 … did you see the picture they posted on the CS4 Page, Students looking upwards… the look on the picture tells all. no wonder how high the prices are, they are all looking at those exorbitant high prices upwards. just wondering if they could ever afford

    don’t wait, just look at any torr search and download it for free…. not completely free, you anyways gotta pay for about 8 Gigs of bandwidth…

    I still remember the PS3 (NOT THE CS3) the very third version photoshop 3 was just about 50 MB (MEGA BYTES NOT GIGA BYTES) and was almost as functional as the CS3 yes the CS3, in fact the interface hadn’t changed much nor the functionality, just that things in CS3 are little convenient but at what cost…. a WHOLE LOT OF BLOATWARE that comes along with CS3 where as good old photoshop 3 was pure functionality and nothing else.

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  • John Allen

    A friend of mine for whom I look after his office computers will be in the market for hardware upgrades again this year. The Windows XP that is installed on these PCs has already been installed on a previous PC (obsoleted), and when I do the upgrade this time I will have to call Microsoft for each machine to get Windows activated.

    And the situation is only getting worse, with Vista only allowing you to “move” the operating system to a new machine twice, after which you will have to purchase a new license.

  • UNF

    @130

    OK, but IIRC I didn’t use flash, as my fone does not have it, therefore TPB is innocent, yarrr?

  • Fred McKinney

    I’d dump those losers too and find an equivalent free open-source product in order to bypass all that nonsense.

    BTW, in regards to what John Allen posted just two posts before mine (at least at the time I’m typing this, anyways), that nonsense by Microsoft was the reason I switched to Linux.

    I’ve run nothing but Linux on my computer at home for over four years now and haven’t looked back. I run Ubuntu and thoroughly enjoy it. :-)

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  • me

    My god,
    so sad all this is true.

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