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Hurt Locker BitTorrent Targets Get Offers of Representation

Thousands of individuals receiving settlement offers from US lawyers following allegations that they shared movies such as Hurt Locker are being offered other opportunities to deal with the problem. Today the EFF launched its ‘Subpoena Defense List’ which shows lawyers across the States prepared to defend letter recipients. Another company is even suggesting it can reduce settlement amounts.

Many thousands of Internet subscribers across the US are currently facing the prospect of being accused of illegally sharing movies such as Far Cry, The Chaos Experiment, Uncross The Stars, The Gray Man, Call of the Wild and Hurt Locker.

The subscribers receive a settlement offer from U.S. Copyright Group/Dunlap Grubb which states that for an immediate payment of $1,500 the whole thing can be made to go away. A delay in digging deep will cost a further $1,000 bringing the settlement total to $2,500. Those who chose to take the issue to court could, its warned, face huge bills in excess of $150,000.

TorrentFreak has received many emails from people concerned about this situation, many of them asking for advice, so it’s a welcome development that today the EFF has published a list of attorneys that could help advise and possibly represent subpoena targets.

“The attorneys on the Subpoena Defense list are not affiliated with the Electronic Frontier Foundation and by offering their names, EFF does not intend to endorse their services,” the group notes, adding, “Fees are negotiable on a case by case basis.”

According to CNet, there is another company also getting in on the action.

Arizona law firm White Berberian is claiming that it will enter into negotiations on behalf of settlement recipients in order to get the amount claimed reduced.

“Once you retain our law firm, we contact the Plaintiff and aggressively negotiate the best possible resolution,” the firm says on its website. “While we cannot guarantee a particular outcome, if we cannot negotiate a settlement better than what Plaintiff offered, we will refund your money.”

That’s right, White Berberian want money too, $249 to be precise.

The company didn’t respond to a request for comment, which leaves important questions unanswered. Does their offer to negotiate a settlement mean that letter recipients have to admit guilt at this early stage and if so how would that prejudice any future case?

One thing is certain though. While the makers of the movies in question will be making money from these threats, it is the legal profession – as usual – that is making the really big money.

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  • LoveCDR

    Sucks! Will never ever buy a DVD again!

  • Mike

    me niether

  • $deity

    I won’t even buy a t-shirt for my kids, let alone a dvd, with anything related to the MAFIAA.

    … I’ll screen print a copy on the shirt instead!

    Fsck them all.

  • hmmm

    sounds incredibly fishy to me. lawyers running out, claiming they can reduce settlement offers.. that’s as shady as you can get. they can’t promise that, and if they do, they are lying to you. find another lawyer.. i would also be concerned about the motivations of any lawyer that wants you to pay up to a group without proof of guilt first… this whole thing reeks of corruption..

  • The Burn Locker!

    Whoever downloaded Hurt Locker publicly got burned! And especially even more so because the movie sucked!

  • Anonymous

    You guys always say “I won’t buy this and that AGAIN”… I already stopped making them rich a long time ago.

  • almkjiuyt

    “Once you retain our law firm, we contact the Plaintiff and aggressively negotiate the best possible resolution,” the firm says on its website. “While we cannot guarantee a particular outcome, if we cannot negotiate a settlement better than what Plaintiff offered, we will refund your money.
    Can Rad The Original Story Here”
    http://www.mobigang.net/

  • anonymous

    would it be a reasonable idea for a whole bunch of the recipients to club together and get representation en bloc? perhaps then issue proceedings for false accusations or something similar against the law firm making the original demands? a win would certainly make that law firm think twice about accusing people in the future. would be even better if the EFF offered services for free. will be some who cant afford to defend themselves so have to pay up, probably in installments, even tho’ innocent. totally wrong!!

  • YouKnowWho

    I laugh at this.

    If nobody paid and claimed they wanted a trail instead, the whole case would collapse. There is no company in America that can pay for 5,000 individual court cases (lawyers, admissible evidence gatherings, etc).

    As it is, it’s hard to prove file sharing. They know people will pay or else they wouldn’t have even tried this.

    I’d love for them to bring on trial cases on 5,000 separate people. We’re talking $1b+.

  • boostme

    Hurt Locker was an epic fail movie , GREEN ZONE is much better , search for MAXSPEED’s version top speed and top a/v quality

  • Anonymous

    fail!

  • Srs Bsns

    USCG: We are the Anti-Scum! We will save cinema!

    The Internet: Alas, we are the Anti-Anti-Scum.

    Cinema: We don’t need saving. We need you greedy fuckers to stop making us look bad!

  • Anonymous

    Really? Far Cry? People really pirated that piece of shit movie? Uwe Boll is a fucking terrible film maker.

  • Anonymous

    going to truecrypt everything + hidden volume

    fuck yall

  • Kirkpad

    I’m assuming that this only applies to people who shared through a popular public torrent. I bet if you were in a swarm with only a few other people, then they didn’t even get your IP. It seems like the people who are being targeted are the “mainstream” pirates. They simply just click download and their client does all the rest. Little do they know, that the most popular torrent is also the most watched by anti-piracy outfits.

    I thought that filesharing can’t be proven anways while they use third-party clients to collect swarm information. (Unauthorized evidence collector)

  • GP

    89% of lawyers are scumbags that need to be shot, burned, mutilated, and buried alive.

    62.37% of statistics are made up on the spot.

    The first statement applies regardless of the actual percentage. Scumbag lawyers need to die, and their deaths need to be painfully equivalent to the pain they’ve caused to others.

  • Anonymous

    good lawyers attacking bad lawyers

  • anonymous

    good lawyers attacking bad lawyers

  • Your Mom

    ip address does not = person

  • Anonymous

    Are the actual IP addresses for which they are seeking information public yet, in any of their filings or elsewhere?

  • tim tam tom

    yes in an earlier post on this website there is a list of 700 ip addresses.

  • Seed-Baby-Seed

    Well well well…!!!
    “Piracy” is turning out to be HUGELY profitable for everyone (for Hollywood, “legal” firms, lawyers, the MAFIAA, etc), isn’t it?
    My guess is that thousands of people will freak out and just pay the settlement as soon as they receive the letter with no questions asked. Hurt Locker makers will no doubt make Millions.

  • Anonymous

    Those Ip addresses are just a sample of 10 per provider if I’m not mistaken. So more are set to appear in the coming days or weeks. If the judge quashes the subpoena, then they will have to file each case separately for each IP address (wrongfully accused). :)

  • Anonymous

    I think it will be detrimental to their business in the long run suing people. Word of mouth is underrated, and worth will spread like wildfire. I will never watch Jay Leno ever again because of bad publicity, and this is sorta similar.

  • Einstein

    WHERE the heck are the Chinese hackers when you need them???
    How hard would it be to hack into the ISPs databases and erasing them so that they can’t trace who had those ips during that time period?

  • Jesus with shaved balls

    I wil neverrr everrr buy a cd or dvd again. EVER!! fuck those greedy bastards

  • MAFIAA

    For those who HAVEN’T downloaded The Hurt Locker yet: you need to visit this website ASAP and follow the instructions:
    http://www.torrents.to/search/btjunkie/the%20hurt%20locker

  • Anon pirate

    Because of stuff like this I stopped buying DVDs years ago.

    Don’t sue your fans!!!!

  • Shellfish

    As scary as it might be, I would suggest that those being prosecuted simply ignore the threats. Clearly MAFIAA got the IPs from an ISP, since when is that not a breech of user privacy?

  • Lucky Man

    im glad i never used bittorrent for new movies that’s why RIAA/MPAA focusing on goddamn recent/new releases… so good luck to those ppl who received stupid ass statement of ridiculous least $2,500 it seems like you pay for it for only movie? I wish ppl who are piracy should live in madison so that’s why MPAA send to 1 place so they can get only $2500 but nowhere to send lmao… let say over 4 millions in same house = $2,500 how about it? pretty genius isn’t?

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  • Brandon

    They can shove their threats right back up their ass where they came from. If no one pays them they are out of business even the goody two shoes lawyers too…

  • Anonymous

    he other article says the 700 IPs listed were obtained from the last week of April to the first week of March.

    Is that when they first started tracking? Were they tracking sooner than that?

  • Steve

    @26 I’m not sure if it’s genius, think you could say it english? Your post made my head hurt.

  • StopTheMadness

    “One thing is certain though. While the makers of the movies in question will be making money from these threats, it is the legal profession – as usual – that is making the really big money.”

    Absolutely correct. It doesn’t matter who “wins” the court battle…the lawyers are laughing all the way to the bank.

    Still, lawyers offering to fight lawyers, for us little guys. This should be interesting, in a watch from a safe distance for the lols kind of way.

  • Kaptain Krunch

    Wow! The victims are really clueless if they settle out of court. There really isn’t a case right at the moment. Anyways, I must get back and see how my download of the 1977 sitcom ROOTS is doing. See ya!

  • Jerry

    For the love of god people, do not fall into this trap. If you get a letter, tear it up. The justice department is not going to send out the FBI to haul in thousands of citizens because they downloaded a movie from the internet.

    Visual media and non-physical product are murky waters. There are tons of movies I paid to watch that I wish I could get a refund on. The latest was SPLICE. What a shit movie.

  • Doink

    in soviet russia lawyers own you.

  • Srs Bsns
  • MasterJ633

    I downloaded this movie way back on Jan 19th and still never watched it yet.
    Of course, i was smart enough to use Peerblock, which is almost guarantee you of not getting caught.

    If i ever got a letter, i’d do exactly what most are saying and ignore it.
    If you actually took it to court, find a friend or somebody you know that bought the DVD, if they have the receipt that works, take it to court with you, and say
    “Why the hell would i download a movie i already bought many months ago?”

    Hearing all this is just sad.
    This will lead to Hollywood’s Downfall just like WMG is killing Music from blocking videos with their music on youtube.

    I say we ditch buying both and download it all. Anybody agree?

  • lawdog

    “It may seem strange to suggest that if you have received a letter about downloading pirated films, music or software from the Internet through protocols such as BitTorrent that you should report the firm; but that is exactly what you should do.”

    DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
    District of Columbia Office of Bar Counsel
    Bar Counsel
    515 5th Street, NW
    Building A, Room 117
    Washington, DC 20001
    (202) 638-1501
    Fax: (202) 638-0862
    Website: http://www.dcbar.org

    VIRGINIA
    Virginia State Bar
    Bar Counsel
    Eighth & Main Bldg.
    707 East Main Street, Suite 1500
    Richmond, VA 23219-2800
    (804) 775-0500
    Fax: (804) 775-0597
    Website: http://www.vsb.org

  • Anonymous

    It may seem strange to suggest that if you have received a letter about downloading pirated films, music or software from the Internet through protocols such as BitTorrent that you should report the firm; but that is exactly what you should do.

    The fact is, the law firms who adopt such cases are immediately on shaky ground in that they do not do the necessary checks that they are required to do to ensure that the cases they present to the courts are factual. This is a serious flaw in their practices and often contradicts the local law association rules. Further the letters you receive are not accurate, they do not represent the actual case that is being brought against you. In the letter you will be accused of downloading, whilst the court case is about uploading. The difference may be slight in our eyes, but in the eyes of the law – this is a vast difference, and the letters do no reflect the truth. The letters you receive are precisely worded in such a false manner to illicit pre-court settlements for cases that will most probably no go to court and will definitely not succeed in court.

    A number of law firms have already been reported and are either in retreat, or under investigation – do not give your rights of justice and freedom away just because of a lie

    to report a lawyer in your state –
    http://www.ccs-labs.com/report-a-lawyer/usa.html

    taken from – http://www.ccs-labs.com/report-a-lawyer.html

  • NoOneInSpecial

    @35 MasterJ633, you really think Peerblock or the like can effectively protect you? I wouldn’t be so sure, man. IP blockers depend on adress lists, which are – naturally – permanently outdated.
    I’d strongly advise against feeling safe behind such a contraption – it’s like a preservative with needle punctures :-)

    And yes: even “good” lawyers have to make a living…

  • MasterJ633

    @ 38 NoOneInSpecial
    Never said it was perfect, but Peerblock still works.

    I’ve used it for a long time and not gotten any letters, email, etc. saying i’ve downloaded this or that.

    And it’s not outdated, it’s updated frequently. Almost every time i start it up, it downloads more ip addresses to block.

    Is it perfect, no, but still very good.
    Would you rather not use any ip blocking program then?

    I’d rather filter what connects to my computer, then not use anything.

    Besides, i don’t want Major Corporations or Anti P2P trackers trying to track me either.

    It’s better be safe then getting caught.

  • Anonymous

    I am so tired of hearing about Hurt Locker. It was typical mediocre Oscar bait. It doesn’t warrant the attention that it has received.

  • BS

    What if I never shared anything and am not even running a P2P software?
    Why should I pay $250 to be defended for something I didn’t do?
    This is where the judicial system is fucked: innocent people can get touched so easily.
    Was the IP adress collection done by someone accredited? Did the ISP screwed up in its listings and gave someone else information than the real uploader?
    I can’t really defend web sites owners that make profits from P2P or Usenet, but any ISP client should be protected by being innocent until proven guilty.
    You need White Berberian’s services only if you actually screwed P2P sharing something you shouldn’t have to, not if you did nothing wrong.

  • StevO

    MasterJ633 — I dont use peerblocker and can say the same thing. Never got any letters. Your just giving yourself false hope. If I can get your IP froma swarm, anyone can. Peerblocker just blocks a list of “known” ip address that are watched. But they change justy like your IP changes. SO its not always up-to date. And besides, they dont have to dload anything from you, they just need to see your IP in the swarm.

  • anonymouse

    this seems to me to be just another bunch of lawyers out for the same thing as Dunlap Grubb are, ie money! instead of trying to get it by suing people, despite whether the accusations are true or false, these from the EFF are trying to get it by offering to defend those accused. both equate to the same thing. lets get money out of people anyway we can. had they have offered FREE legal representation, that would have been another thing, showing that not all law firms are in favour of simply accusing, then getting money in as easy a way as possible. some actually believing that there should be justice done, that not all are guilty of a ‘crime’, that individuals should be represented fairly, and not feel bullied or threatened by large corporations simply because there is a seemingly bottomless pot of money. however i guess that will never happen, as no law firm seems to have the balls or the money themselves, let alone the desire, to see that the right thing is done, by standing up to the entertainment industry and their associates, so i guess we are all well and truely screwed!!

  • Downloader

    @39 Peerblock may help, but is not foolproof. I still got a letter while using it. Please don’t be lured into a false sense of security, find a better way.

  • guh

    VOLTAGE PICTURES made Hurt Locker. Never watch anything by VOLTAGE PICTURES again!
    We hate VOLTAGE PICTURES!
    We hate VOLTAGE PICTURES!
    We hate VOLTAGE PICTURES!
    We hate VOLTAGE PICTURES!
    We hate VOLTAGE PICTURES!
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    We hate VOLTAGE PICTURES!

  • lmfao

    leave public trackers and get into private ones and youll be safe.

  • Anonymous

    As a wise man once said:
    Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. You fucking douchebags.

  • obvious

    One would think that James Cameron’s exwife had her pound of flesh already.

    What a moneywhore.

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  • markie

    Of course there is another company getting involved surprise surprise. They can’t make enough money from the box office. So they just want to screw everyone over. So they go after likely targets like p2p users.

    If companies want to do it this way then what will happen is more people will just be more likely to download it.

    Example: The Pirate Bay is more popular now because of the court case.

    The mistake is giving something more attention.

  • gorehound

    RIAA &MPAA will not see money from me.I buy all my stuff used.
    Suing folks like this is BS and you lose in the end.
    Hey you lost over a grand from me alone since I started on my not buying new kick.multiply that figure assholes and see the money slip from your bloated wallets.

  • Matheus Svensson

    It’s a bit unfair to criticise White Berberian. Michael Coyle’s offer of representation by Lawdit Solicitors came with a £80 price tag. That was an all-in price, and seems better value. However, there are two crucial differences between the US and England.

    A file-sharing case that goes to trial in a US court will suck up vastly more resources. We’ve seen the two protracted RIAA circus acts. Unless you get law students and professors to provide their time for free, that equates to vastly greater cost. Offering a cheap insurance premium, as Lawdit have done, is unlikely to be financially viable in the States. Judge Rosemary Collyer may rule that their has been misjoinder. That may cause the wheels to come off Dunlap, Grubb & Weaver’s wagon, but it’s no certainty, and wouldn’t stop them refiling individual cases and demanding even more money to cover the increased court costs.

    When a defendant in England seeks a solicitor, no court case has been started. There is almost no chance that a court case will be started. When a defendant in the US seeks an attorney, a court case has been started. In England, a Norwich Pharmacal Order can be granted. In those hearings, only the party that wants the information and the party that has the information are represented. The most important party, the one to which the information relates, is locked out. In the US, a subpoena is needed, and that requires a court case against the defendant. The up side is that the defendant can challenge the disclosure of their details. The down side is that there is already a court case against them.

  • Wanged

    slugs getting money because of other slugs

  • Maxx Ormis

    I did seed everything I upload 5 times… now I will upload it 10+ times.

    If they don’t like it then let them try and stop me.

  • Chuck

    Sounds like another money making industry in the making.

  • chris

    will be better and cheaper to pay the settlement than pay a lawyer to deal with paying the settlement. only one bill instead of two.

  • Bryan

    How does a trip to hollywood ending with a piece of lead in these dipshits’ heads sound for a fucking settlement?

  • StevO

    F@@@ em just start SELLING and MAKING copies. If they want CRIMINALS then might as well BE one.
    SELL SELL SELL and MAKE COPIES!!
    If they want to treat us like criminals then we might as well be criminals. Might as well PROFIT if they are going to make you PAY like one. If you are CONSIDERED GUILTY, you might as well BE GUILTY!!!
    SELL SELL SELL and make COPIES! YOU ARE BEING TREATED LIKE CRIMINALS.

  • Cardsfan

    “Never said it was perfect, but Peerblock still works.

    I’ve used it for a long time and not gotten any letters, email, etc. saying i’ve downloaded this or that.

    And it’s not outdated, it’s updated frequently. Almost every time i start it up, it downloads more ip addresses to block.

    Is it perfect, no, but still very good.
    Would you rather not use any ip blocking program then?

    I’d rather filter what connects to my computer, then not use anything.

    Besides, i don’t want Major Corporations or Anti P2P trackers trying to track me either.

    It’s better be safe then getting caught.”

    Bro they all ready know who you are. If I were you I wouldn’t think any different. I don’t use peer blocker or guardian, and I have never gotten a letter in the mail. You might be blocking some known Anti-Piracy IP addresses but I will assure you that there are many that you’re not. You are also blocking thousands of peers that you could be downloading from and uploading to. Now is that the way to give back to the community of torrent users??? I think NOT!!

  • Anon

    Peerblock prevents data to be downloaded and uploaded, but it does not mask your IP address which appear in the peers swam. However, the software can be useful to block connection from other bad IP addresses such as ads and spam.

    A safer way would be to download torrent without trackers and using DHT instead. All up to date bittorrent softwares support DHT by default. What you do is set your bittorrent software to not start automatically after the torrent is added. After you added the torrent, delete all of the trackers off the torrent. Now start the torrent, using DHT technology it will connect to nodes and download torrents without need of a tracker. However, private torrent files disable DHT, this is especially true to private torrent sites where they need to enforce ratio rules and keeping the torrent non-public.

    If you want to be real safe, where some torrents can only be downloaded using a tracker, buy a VPN service plan that allow the use of torrent. Some VPN service does not allow torrenting.

    Note: Some torrent website will allow you to click on “magnet links” to download a torrent. These uses DHT and no trackers. So really hash/magnet link is the new way, and .torrent files is outdated.

  • the united hackers association

    can someone explain in the USA, how this is not entrapment?

  • Carl Weathers

    Unfortunately the movie sucks as much as the campaign.

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  • LOL @CDR

    ~just buy blanks~

  • Techy

    People need to learn not to give these MPAA morons any excuse. Don’t buy, don’t rent and don’t download. Once MPAA and their members have no more excuses they will either have to change or die off.
    The stuff they produce is plot-less un-entertaining rehashed rubbish. These studios are in billions of dollars in debt. Please don’t give these w@nkers an excuse for a government bail out.

    I’ll support any indie film maker running on a shoestring budget and dreams, but not these uninspiring corporate tools.

  • Trelew

    The problem is that in America, litigation has become their favourite pastime. People and corporations will sue each other over the most inane things. So it comes as no surprise that there is a fear of being sued. Even if there is no basis for it, the legal costs in defending against it will be just as bad. One way or another Big Business wins again and the average person loses.

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  • Adam

    @65:

    Something you fail to understand, is that by removing “all trackers” from your .torrent file…..you must still “track” the torrent by connecting to the DHT “router” which is either router.bittorrent.com, router.utorrent.com, or another (Azureus has their own DHT network)

    Even though you aren’t connected to those trackers you removed, you are STILL connected to the “global” DHT “tracker” – so you are still “trackable” in the end.

    With Bittorrent there is no way of “hiding” your IP address due to the way the protocol works…..the only way to sort of do this would be to use a VPN, tunnel or “proxy” of sort…..BUT the tracker (and the peers who connect to it) would still see your “proxy” address, in order to route your file request to.

  • A Pirate

    I petty the fool who downloaded that Crap B-movie and got caught!.But yeah every one of these hungry dogs wants a piece ,I guess crime does pay!for other people..and do u remember that before the oscars ceremony ?the maker of the hurt locker sent emails to the judges begging them to vote for him,that’s one pathetic dude who won’t hesitate to milk this untill the end.I hope anyone who see’s him spits on his face.

  • DB

    I wonder if my neighbor with the open wifi got a letter?

  • Dave

    CCS LABS have been told by the US Copyright Group (Dunlap, Grubb and Weaver’s alternative name) that they can have access to the technology used to test if it can be used as evidence. All the CCS LABS is to provide The US Copyright Group with a case reference number and contact details – to prove they are assisting a recipient of one of Dunlap, Grubb and Weaver’s letters.

    If you received a letter contact the CCS LABS now (admin@ccs-labs.com)

    http://www.ccs-labs.com

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