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Irish ISP and Major Music Labels Ready To Disconnect Pirates

After more than a year of wrangling both in and out of court, EMI, Sony, Universal, Warner and ISP Eircom finally have a deal ready to fly. Shortly the labels will start supplying the IP addresses of alleged file-sharers to Eircom so that it may punish them. The most stubborn subscribers will be disconnected from the Internet for a year.

eircomIn February 2009, IRMA – representing EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner – reached an out of court settlement with Ireland’s largest ISP, Eircom.

The deal would see the ISP introduce a 3 strikes system for dealing with subscribers who share songs to which the labels own the copyright. The implementation of the agreement was held up over legal argument, but last month the High Court in Dublin gave it the green light.

“It is completely within the legitimate standing of Eircom to act, and to be seen to act, as a body which upholds the law and Constitution,” wrote Justice Charleton. “That is what the Court expects of both individuals and companies.”

Dick Doyle, Director General of IRMA subsequently announced that his group and Eircom would implement the full agreement and today that process began for the ISP’s 750,000 broadband customers.

IRMA will now begin supplying Eircom with IP addresses that anti-piracy company DtecNet believes are connected to infringements. According to the Irish Times, initially IRMA will supply just 50 IP addresses per week, with a review of the scheme being carried out after 3 months.

Those caught up in the sweep will first be telephoned by Eircom with a verbal warning. If that same customer receives a third warning, a 7 day ban will come into force. A fourth warning will see their broadband disconnected for a year. Doyle says research suggests that 80 per cent of people would stop file-sharing after receiving an ISP warning them of the consequences.

Next month Eircom rival UPC will be up in court over its resistance to implement a similar deal with IRMA and many are wishing the ISP well in its battle.

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  • Anonymous

    Bastards!

  • Anonymous

    Am i wrong in saying after disconnection you can simply switch ISP

  • James

    Dump this piece of shit ISP and go somewhere else. Let them go out of business.

  • Anonymous

    May 24, 2010 at 14:28 by Anonymous

    Am i wrong in saying after disconnection you can simply switch ISP

    It would surprise me if they don’t add a clause into your contract when you sign up, stopping you from switching till the ban is lifted.

  • Anonymous

    This is suicide for Eircom’s business if not now then in the long term. And they no doubt know this. If UPC got their act together and really got down to rolling out their fibre optic lines across the country then Eircom would sink. As it stands, Eircom owns and operates a great deal of the standard telecommunications infrastructure in Ireland which means a portion of what you would pay to any other ISP would still go to Eircom in line rental fees and such (I think that’s right anyway). Still, there are options for the consumer in wireless broadband etc. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

  • anonymous

    @#2
    supposedly so, provided you can find an ISP that will allow you to join them. i doubt that will happen because the music labels etc will have already threatened the other ISPs if they do take you on! i find it so disgusting that Eircom blatantly rolled over for the industries without any fight at all. ECJ is the only way to settle this fiasco. if it rules against file sharing, then everyone must be prepared to find other methods. more to the point, companies must be prepared to fold through lack of business and governments must be prepared for the tax they will lose! all for the sake of doing as customers ask! stupidity knows no bounds!!

  • Liudvikas

    Faulty logic, anyone with half a brain after receiving the first warning would simply start using VPN.

  • lgr1991

    “Am i wrong in saying after disconnection you can simply switch ISP

    It would surprise me if they don’t add a clause into your contract when you sign up, stopping you from switching till the ban is lifted.”

    ISPs usually charge you a disconnection fee (mine is £50) to end your contract with them early.

  • yeah

    @6

    governments having been losing their tax revenue for years because of illegal downloading of ditigal products

    free and stolen media cannot be taxed like in the real retail world where people actually buy products!

  • Anonymous

    if they disconnect you, then stop paying them simple. move to another ISP.

    only issue maybe when trying to get your MAC code to move ISP. if they refuse to give it to you, but pretty sure they’re legally require to anyway.

  • spider

    Fledgling Danish software company DtecNet has gained an agreement with Motion Pictures Association, comprising the large Hollywood film companies, to distribute DtecNet’s Parent File Scan software in the US. Initially the programme will be free with the aim of raising awareness of DtecNet’s commercial products.

    DtecNet specialises in developing software which can track and prevent piracy on intellectual property material on the Internet in areas such as peer-to-peer systems and news servers, as well as company intranets. The Copenhagen based company was founded 1st July 2004 and has 10 private investors.

    http://www.investindk.com/visNyhed.asp?artikelID=12666

  • Alex

    £50 is nothing to switch if you will have no internet for a year otherwise..

  • jenny

    The Copenhagen based company was founded 1st July 2004 and has 10 private investors.

    http://tinyurl.com/34p8jzr

  • RandomNutter

    Every major tracker should automatically add one (or more) random Eircom IP to every music torrent they index.

  • hans

    board member and investor of Copenhagen based company

    http://tinyurl.com/3yj5y83

  • *D

    Eircom is officially the mafia’s lapdog now.
    Customers are paying to be spied upon.
    If I were a paying customer I’d ditch them immediately and look for another ISP.

    Let them go bankrupt

  • K33
  • TerribleTony

    I wonder if you can still use their infrastructure through smaller ISPs as long as you switch before you get the third letter?

  • Anonymous

    This is just rediculous. Eircom essentially paying a private company to spy on its customers, then people will get warnings with no proof or evidence.

    Surely the gathering of such information by DtecNet is illegal in itself. What about our prized data protection act we hold so dear…turn to shreds for coporate greed?

  • shane

    This is just rediculous. Eircom essentially paying a private company to spy on its customers, then people will get warnings with no proof or evidence.

    Surely the gathering of such information by DtecNet is illegal in itself. What about our prized data protection act we hold so dear…turn to shreds for coporate greed?

  • shane

    This is just rediculous. Eircom essentially paying a private company to spy on its customers, then people will get warnings with no proof or evidence.

    Surely the gathering of such information by DtecNet is illegal in itself. What about our prized data protection act we hold so dear…torn to shreds for coporate greed?

  • 124534

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    listen unless u disconnect the internet Piratebay will always find some way of rerouting themselves or the internet users thru different ways , all the attention just feeds there never ending ship thru the seas of megabytes

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  • MAFIAA

    Don’t use a VPN and don’t change ISP!

  • ORLY?

    Since when is the simple accusation of infringement enough evidence to convict?

  • Anonymous

    In other news, 90% of Eircom’s customers terminated their contracts today and Eircom was forced into bankruptcy.

  • Anonymous

    @24

    Since the MAFIAA bought out the entire judicial system.

  • Rabbit80

    Simple – set yourself up with a VPN (such as Ipredator / SwissVPN / ItsHidden / Relakks etc…) The problem magically disappears for less than €5 per month ;)

  • anonymous

    @#9
    that MAY well be so but when the opportunity is there for governments to get taxes and for the media industries to earn as well, why stop people from using the ‘net’ so both continue to lose? 99% of people are quite happy to pay SENSIBLE MONEY for downloads, but not the ridiculous prices they are being charged atm! you need to take your tongue out of the media industries crack, stop trolling and get real man!!

  • ANDY

    changed AGES ago, with vodafone now, whic are probably gona be taken to court aswel, but i pay for a proxy called bt guard which was mentioned here on TF!

    full speeds all the way!

    ps, all the people i know that havent changed to another ISP are all using a VPN or likewise now……

    so we should just let them waste their money trying to catch us!!!!

  • GrX

    Doyle says research suggests that 80 per cent of people would stop file-sharing after receiving an ISP warning them of the consequences.

    i say that 80% would see no use any longer for fast broadband connection so yes they would stop but then they would cancel their contract because lets face it without downloading what the hell is broadband superfast internet for???

    they want to take the 30 quid a month but give you nothing in return to use the service your paying good money out on.

    can see this company going bust this week

    its like saying right anyone who drives on a road is going to get their licence revoked

    whats the point of a car then? whats the point of owning a car if you can’t drive it on a road.

    stupid industry will never understand

  • Ninja

    I foresee a consumers exodus from Ericom. After all, what would stop them from making similar deals with other sectors even sharing other users details? Nothing.

    In any case, there are quite a few workarounds for this. Starting with VPNs (they are pretty much affordable nowadays), changing ISPs or even better, staying with Ericom and upon receiving the warning tell them to PROVE you were the one that downloaded. If disconnected SUE. If enough ppl do that they’ll be forced to review their relationship with MAFIAA.

    Oh the joy. Let’s see how it works out =)

  • Duh

    “Doyle says research suggests that 80 per cent of people would stop file-sharing after receiving an ISP warning them of the consequences.”

    Wrong – 80% of people receiving a warning subsequently use VPN.

    The other 20% just don’t give a damn…

    Duh!

  • Trelew

    Don’t blame the ISP, they were just screwed, chewed, & BBQ by the Big Business and the corrupted courts. It was either a slow death of legal fees and ridiculously large fines or bowed down to the corporate bullies and stay in business.

    The ISP are victims as much as the internet file sharers are.

  • me

    To all those suggesting to “simply switch ISPs”: there are not so many broadband providers to choose from. I’m not from Ireland, but if broadband there is somewhat like in the rest of Europe, customers probably have at most 3 to 5 ISPs (and their affiliates) to choose from. If none of them wants to provide you with connectivity (due to black lists shared among them a la HADOPI), you’re out of luck for a long time.

    The short-term solution is, of course, to hide and encrypt traffic (Freenet, I2P, using VPNs, etc…).

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  • Ire

    It is simply if you have Eircom isp change it to other isp. If you can not change to other isp start use vpn.

  • gary the head mall cop

    “It is completely within the legitimate standing of Eircom to act, and to be seen to act, as a body which upholds the law and Constitution,” wrote Justice Charleton. “That is what the Court expects of both individuals and companies.”

    but remember no one has to use your stupid isp so they’ll just go somewhere else, meanwhile your reputation will go to shite and you will go out of business…

  • Anonymous

    Continute Sharing, get banned, get new ISP, start sharing again? Great plan.

  • Sellouts

    Trust Eircom to bend over and take it from the suits. EIRGO

  • wtf

    “The deal would see the ISP introduce a 3 strikes system for dealing with subscribers who share *songs* to which the labels own the copyright. The implementation of the agreement was held up over legal argument, but last month the High Court in Dublin gave it the green light.”

    Is the downloading of films included in this?!!

  • me

    I don’t know why my previous comment was censored, but here it is again:

    To all those who say “simply switch ISPs”, there are not so many choices in broadband-land!

    When a huge provider like Eircom which probably owns the last mile (and so, indirectly, the whole ADSL market) plays this 3-strikes game, the whole country has a big problem.

  • Karolis

    Big Brother wins once again.. Still, the pawn of it all – Eircom, will loose quite a number of customers.

  • geezer

    Drop that ISP TODAY even if you don’t share anything. Above all – get a VPN connection NOW if you don’t have one already. Don’t stick around waiting for legal threats. The legal system is bought so you can’t trust it one bit. I bet that you can get sued even if you don’t fileshare at all. The businessmodel the MAFIAA is running these days is to gather IP addresses so they have targets to sue. Since most courtcases has shown lack of the technical knowlidge needed to provide valid proof. All they need is an IP. It does’nt matter if you actually shared anything a not. Once they have the IP, they can start producing fake screendumps that shows that you are guilty.
    Use VPN and never give them the chance to see your real IP
    even if you’re just reading newssites.
    Never ever give money to an ISP that does’nt set it’s customers interest first!

  • Cygnus

    everyone start sharing at public universities, coffeeshops, libraries, and other government localities. See what happens when the system turns on itself.

  • john

    Do not use SWISS VPN they hold logs and will hand them over if asked….

  • Anonymous

    “It is completely within the legitimate standing of Eircom to act, and to be seen to act, as a body which upholds the law and Constitution,”

    Whatlaw and for whom?

    We ignore crappy law and crappy judges in Ireland or anywhere else.

    Government and justice by the people for the people and not for fucking corporations of criminals.

  • horsemeat

    warning 1: meh
    warning 2: meh
    warning 3: Buy a VPN subscription…

    After your 1 year is up change ISP.

    Who wins?

  • Borderline Voter

    What is needs is for some person to visit the judges (who gave the green light) homes and hack their wifi and download wired porn and top movies knowing that Dtecnet will be monitoring the swarms and see how the judges react when they get the warning from the ISP
    LOL

  • lol

    The IRA needs to pay these anti piracy groups a little visit. Teach them a lesson.

  • J. Samples

    I say Good! I hope they do this in America eventually as well. I’m sick of people thinking that that movies,music,whatever….should be FREE!

  • The Doctor

    The Australian ISP iiNet didn’t roll over like a bitch, so why should any Irish ISP?

    Only because they are total dickheads!

  • Smokers

    Eircom = cock smokers!

  • Revolution

    One day people will be pushed too far by industry…….

  • Jigsy

    I can see the headlines now.

    “Eircom to cull customer base by 90%!”

    I see a rise in WiFi hackings here.

  • Obsolete RIAA

    Quote from 42:
    “Drop that ISP TODAY even if you don’t share anything”

    Exactly… If Eircom doesn’t respect the basic right to privacy from its costumers then Eircom don’t deserve any of my money… period.

    Another thing, before of the invention of the internet file-sharing of copyrighted works was an intense activity among all the people, completely legal… I don’t understand why without any explanation this is now something “supposedly” illegal… All this is complete bullshit.

  • duane

    Drop it like it’s dead!

    Show Eircom and ALL other ISPs that if they don’t respect their customers, they’ll lose them.

    Here’s what to do:
    http://tinyurl.com/3xfmoqe

  • Ire

    Boycott eircom and change ISP now!!!!

  • Reasoned Mind

    As pirates leave Eircom for other isp’s, they take their bandwidth hogging habits, too. Eircom wins, their lawful customers win big, the other ISP’s who get only pirates as new customers lose bandwidth bigtime, alienating their own lawful customers. Sounds about right.

  • Anonymous

    fail

  • uhh

    “It is completely within the legitimate standing of Eircom to act, and to be seen to act, as a body which upholds the law and Constitution,” wrote Justice Charleton.

    BAAHAHAHAHA! UPHOLDS THE LAW AND CONSTITUTION??? AHAHAHAHHAHA

    Wow that guy is delusional.. ahahahhhaaa

  • RIAAtarded

    wow and the irish use to be so militant with their freedom what happened

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  • Fred

    @59
    More like his name should be Justice CHARLATAN

    Btw, just had fun ripping Eircom a new one on their feedback page which duane @55 provided;
    http://tinyurl.com/3xfmoqe

    Let’s see how long they will stand for a virtual asskicking before they stick their yellow tails between their scrawny leprechaun legs and take down the feedback page

  • Brandon

    Yeh, Just let them disconnect 50-100 people a week until bankrupt. Other ISP’s will note this.

    If my ISP EVER called me or sent me a notice I will immediately to tell them to fuck themselves and keep my 120bucks a month…

  • shell

    So not only do they monitor how much your downloading and where from but what? Next they’ll break into your house and check your download folders. This is absurd.

  • Bozo

    I wonder who will get hurt the most here?
    When you sign an agreement with mafia, you will only be alive as long as you’re useful to them!

  • DataDuden

    just use a seedbox
    or
    go for usenet newsgroups
    or
    go for rapidshare

  • Joe Public

    This could back fire big time.

    If the cut off a buissness … Say Macdonads for people using their free wifi then the ISP would be open to a charge of unlawful interference with trade.

    The cost of a big case would Kill the ISP and probibly the Major Music Labels as well.

    And given cases in the US and Europe on this the ISP would have no chance.

    It seems there is laws out there, if people look, that can end all the BS once and for all.

    We just need them to go after people that are happy to take a stand

  • C97

    The more you censor a book, the more people will want to get a copy of it.

    The more you try to stop pirates, the more pirates there will be.

    P2P 4ever

  • Bad_Mojo

    Erin go ball-less

    jeesh I thought you micks had the nads.

  • Tomas

    I’d be interested to find out if the disconnection fee still applies here. Presumably now EIRECOM have to change their terms of service, so if you disagree with the new terms and want to cancel, do you still have to pay to be disconnected?

    I’m pretty sure they couldn’t force you to pay, so the best time to switch would be now rather than when you get a warning.

  • akarave

    @9

    The truth is, that there are so many pirates out there, that there are hundreds of companies providing them some kind of service. And not just rapidshare, any sharing company, really. ISP are not different. Nobody pays for 100Mb/s connection to watch youtube, tweet or chat via ICQ or facebook.

    So the final impact on economy is hard to guess.

  • Doink

    “The most stubborn subscribers will be disconnected from the Internet for a year.”

    hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

  • tightasa

    I suggest that anyone with a brain.Get into a movie called..”Food inc”It will soon become apparent that corporations corruptly intend not only to control all your food and water.But whatever you consume.Be it consumables or information.I guarantee you will lose more than one nights sleep!(excellent documetary)In the past it was newspaper moguls.But at least then we could choose not to buy a newspaper.This is all about power/control/money.Monied interests are try to cower you into a submissive…Resistence is futile position……..However history teaches us……… that A small determined band of brothers can have a huge impact on outcomes.Get organised

  • hacker

    Basicly eircom can only see if you are downloading p2p, if eg you download a file from http /rapidshare/megaupload/beemp3. THEY CANT DO NOTING TO YOU.

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  • StevO

    Well this is just fine example of there not being enough competition out there for braudband technology. It seems pretty clear that eircom doesnt have an equivelent competitor.

  • ffffffffffuuuuuu

    “research suggests that 80 per cent of people would stop file-sharing after receiving an ISP warning them of the consequences.”

    if the research is done by RIAA/MPAA be sure its off by 75%

  • StevO

    Isnt it incredible that ANY company, including mafiaa can travel around the globe spening trillions of dollars to prove they are a victim? I think that, that in itself PROVES that they make plenty of money. They just want complete control over one of the VERY few comodities that the internet may offer. I think its pure jelousy that people have found something better to do with their time than go to movies. The internet truley rivals the entertainment business, and its not over piracy. It wont be long before people will be left with a choice between corporate entertainment or the internet, and I think I know what people will ultimatley choose.

  • Z

    My major question in this practice that never seems to be addressed is whether since the warnings will be coming from information the labels have already gathered, couldn’t a person be ‘warned’ 3 times right from the start, for 3 of many prior ‘infractions/infringements’? If a persons prior indiscretions were all grandfathered in at once under a policy like this it would seem like everyone on their network would technically be disconnected because, god damn, who hasn’t shared at least 3 songs at some point? besides old people that is.

  • tightasa

    @ 77 Just what do you mean by old?….Them`s fighting words!

  • QuadSlacker1313

    TorrentFreak needs to ban the base IPS of “yeah” and “hmm”, the scintillating corporate scumbag(s) which fight for the powers that be. F*** you guy(s), go choke on dick like you get paid to do. The music industry does not need you, in fact, it recognizes your crude attempts at destroying it (and the greater artistic community) from within. Chug a can of mayo and pretend it’s the coagulated semen you crave so much.

  • Meep me

    Just simple dont buy big label stuff anymore … bring them down.

  • Whatever

    @5
    UPC ??? The Dutch CEO of UPC says “downloading is stealing”.

    See: http://webwereld.nl/nieuws/66035/upc-directeur–downloaden-is-diefstal.html

    So are there any other ISP’s left on that island ?

    @”The court expects …”
    Courts don’t expect anything, the only thing they are supposed todo is judge. It’s politicians who expect anyone to abide by the law, its the police who uphold it and courts are used to judge. So when did judges gain political power (= 2 of 3)?

  • anonymous

    @#57 Reasoned Mind
    if an ISP is advertising a service, be it 2meg, 8meg, 20meg, 50meg or 100meg, it should be able to provide that service. if it cant, it has no right to advertise that service as being available. the ‘type’ of customer should be irrelevant, as all could be downloading as fast as possible files that are as big as each other. whether those files are classed as ‘legal’ or not is also irrelevant! it is only pricks like you that want to categorise files and sites into ‘legal’ and ‘illegal’ but doing so according to the biased view of the copyright industries, not as the majority of people. i wonder why that is? suggestions from anyone as to why that might be?

  • Anonymous

    An entire entertainment industry of parasites is going out of business.

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.

  • *D

    ^^well this page shows a list of other Irish Isps

    http://www.ispai.ie/members.htm

    any company that doesn’t try to screw their customers over is ok compared to poor Eircom I guess

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  • AnarchyNow

    fuck the law, anarchy now!

  • me

    #57 RM: “As pirates leave Eircom for other isp’s, they take their bandwidth hogging habits, too.”

    Wow, I never expected it, but RM is perfectly right on this point (except that there are NO pirates on Eircom, only file sharers).

    HOWEVER, who says Eircom will disconnect only file sharers of illicit material? This DtecNet outfit could just as well generate IP address totally randomly, and forward them to Eircom. It’s not like they were required to *prove* anything, or even swear under penalty of perjury that those (probably) made up IP addresses were really involved in uploading copyrighted material without permission, right?

  • arnie

    if you are an eircom user and they phone you regarding an infringement. Cancel your account immediatly. Do not give them any recourse. Insist on cancelling at no cost to yourself citing the grounds that the service is “not fit for purpose”. I’d imagine that after a few thousand people leave they wont be so keen on using thier bullyboy tactics

  • Devanite

    @9 yeah: The whole reason governments are behind this is because they get to tax their citizens for every transaction made, $1 to download the song off itunes, one or two Forced ads played before every song, $1 to transfer said song to your Ipod, and well say .15 for every time you play said song. Imagine how many times the government can tax that, my count is 5 times minimum.

    Now hand over your wallet cause obviously you dont care about your money

    @11 spider: So I have spent 5000 dollars on a pretty damn nice laptop and i am supposed to trust your malicious spamware and just hand over my laptop to you, I think not!

    @23 MAFIAA: Dont use a VPN or change ISP’s? howabout dont bribe everyone in sight! Once again I know I am doing the right thing simply because of the amount of money you can spend globally to call yourselves victims and yet the truly trampled on middle and lower classes are truly victimized by you!

    @49 J. Samples: Hand over your wallet cause obviously you dont care what you spend your money on

    @57 Reasoned Mind: I would like to see an ISP stay in business with 3 customers, it would astonish me!

    DID I MISS ANYONE?

  • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

    “80 per cent of people would stop file-sharing”

    Shouldn’t that be:

    “80 per cent of people would change their ISP”

  • wtf

    what #88 said and throw in “under the sale of goods and supply of services act 1980″ – sounds even better!

  • Will

    Bye ISP.

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  • shephard

    The ISAPI list is not a list of ISP’s who provide broadband in Ireland e.g. neither EuroKom nor Blacknight have or resell DSL circuits. It also does not have all the providers of telcommunications in the country as members – probably better off looking at http://www.tif.ie for more

    Most consumer wired BB provision in ireland is provided via Eircom Wholesale – either to Eircom or other resellers.

    There is some unbundling in ireland, but Eircom played to the letter of the law and not the spirit so it’s pretty much non existent. Both Smart Telecom and Vodafone (who bought the BT network) are present here

    After them come the cable companies (e.g. UPC (nee Chorus and NTL)

    After the connected stuff comes the wireless stuff. Bunch of (mostly small) providers here from the 3G provided to WiMax to various other technologies.

    So there is some choice… but not much!

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    eircom were ordered by the courts to do this

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