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Is ‘Pirate DRM’ Really the Best Response to Bulk DMCA Takedowns?

Over the past few months there has been greater and greater pressure applied to Usenet-related sites and services, with some being forcibly shut down and others closing out of fear. Some have closed their doors to new members in an attempt to improve security but now another phenomenon is raising its head. In order to hinder bulk anti-piracy takedowns, some communities have resorted to techniques that feel a bit like DRM.

The file-sharing world is a multi-headed beast but not just in the traditional ‘hydra’ sense.

The most visible elements are the public torrent sites like The Pirate Bay, KickassTorrents and any of the others from the current Top 10. Generally (censorship efforts aside) these sites can be accessed by just about anyone. All that is needed is a torrent client and the ability to read.

A level down in accessibility (but a level up in class if you believe their members) are the private torrent sites. You need to be invited to access these, a situation which no doubt pleases many rightsholders as their walled gardens naturally limit growth and access to content.

Leaving links forums and cyberlockers to one side, Usenet is another good example of a multi-tiered system. Although they tend to cost money to access (which could be considered another barrier), newsgroups are then available to all. Every file and post can be downloaded by anyone via a decent newsgroup search engine such as Binsearch.

Step down a level in accessibility (but a level up in class if you believe their members) and you’ll find the Usenet indexing forums and discussion boards. These can be compared very generally to private torrent sites but with a major difference. While their indexes exist within the confines of their members-only service, the content they rely on is held publicly on Usenet.

This situation causes these sites problems that private BitTorrent trackers just don’t have. Just like everyone else on Usenet, private indexes are at the mercy of anti-piracy companies sending huge numbers of DMCA takedowns to Usenet providers which target content. As previously reported, this phenomenon is growing at an alarming pace.

But despite all the takedowns, content is still being uploaded to Usenet in massive quantities because after all, anti-piracy outfits can’t take it all down. Also, significant amounts of this content is uploaded by members of private indexes but because Usenet itself is public, anyone can access it. As a result, everyone benefits.

Well, that’s the theory at least.

Due to the takedown situation, things are changing. Tired of having content they upload deleted following DMCA notices, uploaders from private indexes are taking measures to ensure that anti-piracy company bots can’t easily identify specific works. As can be seen by the image below, uploaders are doing this by encrypting the filenames of the content they upload so that only site members know how to decrypt them.

encrypt usenet

This means that automated anti-piracy systems scanning Usenet using basic text-searching methods can no longer identify the names of specific copyright releases by just looking at the filename. There are hoops to jump through now, adding roadblocks in the way of simply skimming thousands of newsgroups and issuing thousands of takedowns.

While that might sound like a fun way to annoy an anti-piracy company, it is also a great way to ensure that content on the public Usenet is rendered unfindable by regular methods such as using a newsgroup search engine. This means that content that was once uploaded for the entertainment of anyone is now only of use to people who know how to unencrypt the filenames.

Sure, there are some ways around it. Content can still be downloaded without knowing what it is in the hope that when it completes it will turn out to be what you wanted all along, but that’s hardly a good solution. Some people recommend peering inside a release’s PAR2 or NFO files for clues of the actual release name, but that’s far from ideal too.

Therefore, for some Usenet fans the only workable solution towards a decent experience is to start joining up to some of the many NZB sites around today, but even that can prove an annoyance. Many are closed to new members and a rising number of those that are open expect people to pay for their services, raising the question of whether releases are encrypted (or indeed passworded as they have been for years) for security reasons or simply to raise revenue.

The end result is that Usenet is experiencing an upsurge in DRM-like mechanisms which limit access to content, at the same time as thwarting the anti-piracy companies attempting to do the same with their takedowns.

It’s a strange situation that is clearly frustrating users who choose not to be part of private communities. So what are they doing in response? Going back to the sites listed in the second paragraph of this article of course, something which pleases many Usenet elitists who never wanted their community to become as open as it is today.

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  • Skweets

    Never understood news groups….why pay when you could just seed back to a ratio of 1.0 or more????

    • http://twitter.com/ArmEagle ArmEagle

      My provider has a free 30-day retention newsserver. As long as I keep on par with the TV series I want to watch, then I don’t have to pay a dime. Sometimes I do indeed pay for a different newsserver, when I’ve gone over my download limit (just for the newsserver) or when I want to download something that’s past the 30 days retention.

      To be honest I’d be happy to pay €20/month if I could download/stream any and all (at least American, but preferably UK too) TV series when I please. But the content industry doesn’t want to sell that kind of service. But all cable/network fees are quite unfair to someone living alone, compared to a family of four all using the same service but for the same price.

      • mafiaa

        Thats because they are all guilty of piracy. Only the billpayer and only him/her is allowed to watch the tv if they paid the bill for that month. If you allow anyone else to watch it, you are guilty of facilitating priacy and racketeering and accessory to commit piracy.

        • Christopher Kidwell

          They would probably try to say that, mafiaa, if the courts hadn’t already put the smackdown on that thinking in the past.

    • Stephen

      because like me i only have an upload speed of 90kb so if i download a 10gb file it will take months to seed it to 1.0 ratio

      • ddd

        rent a seedbox :-)

        • anon876

          or just use usenet for the money? =)

        • Frted

          I think you meant “use the money for usenet”. ;)

      • Not that much

        Stephen: “because like me i only have an upload speed of 90kb so if i download a 10gb file it will take months to seed it to 1.0 ratio”

        Actually, it would take about 1 day and 6 hours.

        • Not that much

          This is dedicated to those persons
          who have disagreed.

          90Kbytes X 60 seconds = 5.4 MB
          5.4 MB X 60 Minutes = 324 MB
          324 MB X 31 Hours = 10044 MB

          I’ll correct myself, with an upload speed of 90Kbytes/s,
          it would take about 1D 7H to upload 10 GB.

          I remember the darkest days (almost 10 years ago)
          when I just had an upload of 3Kbytes/s
          even though, my torrent client was seeding
          on one tracker I used to use,
          it has recorded my ratio of 0.596

    • http://twitter.com/CLK55 Riot Nrrrd™

      I know this won’t be read but … are you that dumb? I can peg out my downlink pipe from Giganews, I can’t even remember the last time I got remotely close to that from a Torrent. Let’s see, would I rather download a TV show episode in 10 minutes or several hours … and that assumes the seeders even stay up … let me think about that for, oh, a picosecond.

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  • Mr. Magoo

    I really like TV series. But it’s getting difficult download if not by torrent. I also enjoy reading and have a lot of books on some torrent sites.
    I’m doing a great collection “for rainy days”. I hope that torrent sites outweigh the rains and storms, but … I’m downloading many many many books.

    • xpmule

      getting difficult ?
      not from what i see.. its getting easier and faster

      • Anyone

        you must live in the right region, then

        all “legal” content seems to be unavailable in my region

        • Andrew me

          I dont want to put up where i get my books from as i dont want to bring it to the eyes of the monopolists but there are many many sites where you can download almost every book ever printed, either through torrenting or direct downloads.

          Nobody today should have a problem finding any book available free online. If you are having a problem it is because you are not spending enough time finding the sites that have what you want. And yes some of the new stuff is not available, but that is rare and something that demonoid helped with.

  • bobmail

    The funny part is that in the end, the information has to be released somewhere for people to know what is in the files. That knowledge becomes public at some point, and the whole deal gets killed off again.

    Remember, without a key being shared, none of this makes much sense.

    If you don’t think it happens, consider how quickly the new Mega had the “private” codes released and indexed.

    Further, I think that the content producers aren’t as worried when the content is self limiting in this manner. It’s not hard for them to get a “membership” to the groups and get the keys anyway…

    • xpmule

      what kinda like how your ant-piracy efforts make no difference ?
      see the parallel ? lol
      since you wanted to talk about WHAT MAKES SENSE ;)

      • PerfectShit

        ‘ant-piracy’ is an emerging problem, one must admit.
        point.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Oh, my, yes. Used to be one could solve the problem with a pot of hot water and some salt.

          Now they all go “Yaarrgh!” and wave little sabers around.

          And then they hack my router and download weird stuff from Usenet. Emerging problem, indeed.

    • Whatever

      Maybe not the most subtle reply but first thing that came to mind here:

      You’re an idiot.

      You obviously have trouble reading so you might want to go for the audio version of TF which isn’t available in your area.

      The content of the newsgroup messages isn’t (usually) encrypted, just the titles have been obfuscated. So people may actually download MORE content just to find the files they were looking for.

      • bobmail

        Actually, you are the idiot.

        Once the encoding for the titles is released, they get applied and the same old system works – they know the titles, and away they go.

        The point with mega wasn’t to suggest the stuff is encoded, rather to show that any type of encoding generally ends up in the public’s hand through leaks and other systems. Obscure the title, encode the file… do what you like – the info gets out and that includes to the rights holders.

        Perhaps you should subscribe to the audio version, clearly you aren’t reading the comments completely.

        • IDIOCRACY

          And the idiot even starts to call others idiot, do you even have one working braincell left?? You compare apples with pears and than get to a conclusion which is already stated in the article.

          [quote]“There are hoops to jump through now, adding roadblocks in the way of
          simply skimming thousands of newsgroups and issuing thousands of
          takedowns”[/quote]
          And you just repeated this. You only think that this is as easy as one encryption key for all titles,… and then do the skimming again…. won’t work.
          And for Mega, the sole reason for encryption is plausible denial-ability for the content on the servers of Mega…not to make it harder to find stuff. That is and has always been up to the uploader of the content, …. make it public or not..

          So please again… why do you make yourself look so stupid….no serious debate can be held this way… you only entertain us, not educate…., just make us laugh…I wonder.. are you a masochist??

          hehe

        • Guest321

          The point is to slow down the anti-piracy efforts, not prevent takedown or curtail information. If the file names are encrypted, it makes their bot useless. No more letting the bot run loose on public indexers and filing thousands of takedowns a minute. They must now do the legwork to collect the data required to file DMCA takedown from various private communities all around the net.

          This encryption is similar to many forums using link encryption mechanisms to protect cyberlocker links and let me tell you it works wonders. What used to be taken down within 30 minutes of being uploaded now takes days and weeks. By that time millions have already finished downloading.

        • Whatever

          My mistake, not an idiot but completely brain dead. You need a reset.

          There is (in most cases) NO ENCRYPTION of the content itself. Downloaded some obfuscated titles (which is still legal in my country) this very weekend and no content has been harmed by a password. Knew what to download thanks to a nice spotting site.

          Obfuscation ONLY needs some hammering at the keyboard. I’ll just create a very new title for you right now: JLKJIOEUOPJGIOViukljdfsnguiwegfl

          And just for you here’s a key with some more abusing the keyboard: KsdfgergewgjoiuOLKJUIflrejgweojg

          Now go and try to decipher the title there. I wonder what you come up with.

          (For the rest this is just randomly hitting a keyboard)

        • Whatever

          Addition:
          “Remember, without a key being shared, none of this makes much sense.”

          Did you not claim that ?

          Funny though and a possible positive development is that the excuse of accidental downloading (wasn’t this used by MAFIAA caught in the act ?) is valid on any obfuscated title downloaded.

        • bobmail

          Without the key, you don’t know what you are downloading until you get it. Are you going to randomly download EVERYTHING hoping to get the TV show you want?

          Downloading a ton of files hoping to get one you want doesn’t make much sense. Without a key to decode the titles (or some other sort of lookup system) this is pretty much a pure failure.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Since pirates are far more flexible than the *AA’s, the result is still that your automated takedowns become completely ineffective – meaning you have the choice of replacing them with a LOT of people manually and continually updating the algorhitm, depending on how fast the keys shift (not likely).

          “Are you going to randomly download EVERYTHING hoping to get the TV show you want?”

          Of course not. What it means is quite simply that your automated takedown bot is not irrecoverably rendered useless.

          “…this is pretty much a pure failure.”

          As in “Makes you spend a hundred times as much effort for the same dubious gain”?

          Ah, and you wonder why we call you “Baghdad Bob”…

        • smeg

          I think the word your after is encrypted not encoded, there is a huge difference.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Really.

          Pray inform us how a step which forces manual intervention to take over from an automated system is not a huge solid setback for your efforts, bobmail?

          Or does the MPAA now have people capable of calling out millions of valid takedown notices every week?

          This is yet one more example of how your inability to realize how technology works has you crowing “victory” over what is, essentially, a rather large setback and the effective put-paid to one of your most powerful takedown tools.

  • Mr. Maggo

    My desire is to download an entire library. I still buy printed books. And I will continue to buy. I bought a digital book reader, but I will only buy digital books if they do cost a fifth of a printed book.

    • xpmule

      would you still want to if you owned an Encyclopedia set ?
      I grew up with those on the shelf.. WIkipedia should be sued for stealing their revenue and putting door to door salesmen out of business, at least according to copyright moron logic lol

    • Andrew me

      check on tpb when it is back up…. there is a collection of all fiction books from 2003 to 2011 i think. That is a collection of every single book that has been printed during that time.

      I doubt it will be long before we can download a 2 tb file with everything from the begining of print to today.

      Oh yes that file i talk about is around 250gb if i remember correctly. i could check on my other hard drive but i think you get the idea.

    • Jesus

      That means you don’t buy digital books. Because they cost just as much or more than a actual copy, unless its just very old and not a good book, but whats the point in buying a shitty book.

  • sosad

    Corporations should only hunt the piracy from BUCKaneers and all the
    alternate economy of copyright issues (usenet, bootleg live resellers,
    warez bitcoiners etc). Buckaneers are a kind of industry: they even use
    DRMs now. They legitimate the actual war the corps are leading. They are
    a flaw for the freedom movement and its purity. KillThemAll.

    Copyright holders matter should only be the lobby for (re)selling the stuff, nothing else.
    If
    people waste money to access the newsgroups, they are a loss indeed to
    the industry, as they could waste money to buy the originals.
    The
    people sharing free their copies, let them live and do! No fiscal
    evasion nor damn blackmarket, and big part of the leechers would not buy
    the stuff if they had to do so.

    • bobmail

      Poorly said but well said. The Kim Dot Coms of the world do more to harm the “free internet” movement than any record label or movie company. Quite simply, they are clearly making money off the backs of others work, and they try to hide behind free speech advocates and act like what they are doing is for the good of humanity.

      Fat Kim has proven it’s all of the good of Fat Kim and his massive ego, nothing more and nothing less.

      • Guest

        ” Quite simply, they are clearly making money off the backs of others
        work, and they try to hide behind free speech advocates and act like
        what they are doing is for the good of humanity.”

        Which is what the MPAA/RIAA are exactly doing profiteering of artists work and hiding behind those in governments to keep control of extortionating those artists in acting like what they are doing is good for humanity.

        • sosad

          “Which is what the MPAA/RIAA are exactly doing profiteering of artists
          work and hiding behind those in governments to keep control of
          extortionating those artists in acting like what they are doing is good
          for humanity.”

          Then you agree:
          WAREZ with paid content = MPAA/RIAA
          We need to get rid of both. They are actually bringing credibility to each others.

          Corps need their rights to sale and earn bucks, and privates need their rights to share and use. Freely.

          Buying a copy is lame. If i had to and i could not get it freely, i would rather buy an original.

          Enemy of freedom is not only repressive politics, but is also misuse of freedom. Warez needs to educate itself. Kill usenet and warez mercenaries. Any pay-for-access newsgroup is a baby MPAA/RIAA. Free or die. Long live TPB!

          “Poorly said but well said. ” My english is co-pirated: it is not original language from school factory. I downloaded it from loads of peers. Appears to be LQ and lossy.

      • Freeter

        Great bobmail, you have accepted that record labels
        and movie studios are harming the internet,
        when in the past, you said they were completely saints
        with no sins. That clearly shows your desperation
        to affirm, for yourself, that you’re always right.

        Yes, what they’re doing is completely nonsense
        and only want money, I know others that use
        different names for their files, though they’re sharing
        files on free webs. Being those aren’t Hollywood stuff,
        TorrentFreak has no clue, thus don’t tell you about it,

        What they’re doing on Usenet, it’s nothing new,
        that’s like uploading one file to some file-locker
        for premium users only, in the meantime,
        you probably could find a free mirror on another site or P2P.

        • bobmail

          Sorry, I don’t get your point.

          “you have accepted that record labelsand movie studios are harming the internet,
          when in the past, you said they were completely saints
          with no sins. That clearly shows your desperation
          to affirm, for yourself, that you’re always right”

          Wrong. They aren’t harming the internet at all. What they are harming at most is your endless source of free entertainment and amusement at their expense. They shouldn’t be in the discussion because their content shouldn’t be out there to start with.

          Your “free” internet should include all the free speech of people who choose to make their speech free. All of those bands and film makers who choose not to sign recording deals, distribution deals, and so on.

          “what they’re doing is completely nonsenseand only want money”

          They paid for the rights to sell it, and they have the right to ask to get paid for it. It’s not a big deal. Fat Kim? Didn’t pay for it, and doesn’t have the legal right to ask to get paid for it.

          Please stop trying to twist my words, it makes you look bad.

        • IDIOCRACY

          HAHA and who is twisting who’s words now?? and that you not get the point is due to the apparent lack of braincells. You sir, you make me laugh at every post of yours …. please go on. hehe

        • Anyone

          Mega only sells online storage
          why should they pay the MAFIAA for that?

        • Andrew me

          BOB seriously how can you say the monopolists have done nothing to harm the internet? They are doing everything they can to make it impossible for anyone to do any type of business related to content that is copyrighted.
          Imagine if this was allowed in the real world where they were monopolists in the auto industry.
          The world would be sitting using horse and carts still as the cars we have now would only be available to the mega rich.

        • sosad

          This is actually happening with the auto industry. We should already be driving water/solar/magnetic/hydrogen cars for 50 years…
          Monopolists are too conservative, industry era should not be this burden to the coming techno era. Fossil energy for fossil mind.
          Human and techno (and so on internet) freedom wont come without free energy. And then humans will live with each others for sharing, not by need. Are we ready to stand for this last war, are we grown up enough? We have to make clear of our prerogatives.

        • zarathustra2k1

          Please stop trying to stop us filesharing; it makes you look sad.

        • Jesus

          Mr Bob.. You look bad all on your own. That’s the only thing your good at.

      • Jesus

        Whats very telling about you bobmail is the fact that you can never argue or talk about the technical side of the issue, its only about the physiological side of the issue.

        I do agree with you on the fact Kim is a fat blowhard making a living while using the free speech, free internet issue to his own advantage, but your points of view are completely from the Industries perspective.

        Tell us, at what point in your life did you decide to dedicate so much time to your one man crusade against something that has no effect on you whatsoever? Normal people only get deeply involved in issues that effect them and their families. How were you mentality and physically damaged by torrenting to create the person we see today?
        Do you think your making a difference for humanity?

        If you stopped coming here today your life would still be the same until you died. So what is your motivation to be here? You’d think a person would invest their time better, like helping people in their community, volunteering at their local library, being a big brother. Something worthwhile, not just arguing all day behind a keyboard. You waste a lot of your time Mr. Bob doing absolutely nothing. Shameful waste.

        • sosad

          The man without enemy is an enemy to himself.
          I would think that everyone is welcome to share thoughts here. The shame the time you waste yourself to discuss about others shame for wasting time there. Shame on me now. THIS is karma. I should erase my post to avoid the everlasting consequences. I will keep it and sacrifice myself to educate you. Do not judge on others freedom, motivations or leisure time use. As you were doing and as i am right now. You will bring yourself into a cell. And everyone with you. This is damnation. PING……….

        • Jesus

          Like I’ve said before. This is very different. TorrentFreak is a news site for people that it effects, like me, people that download torrents. If you don’t download whats your motivation for being here? It doesn’t effect your life and shouldn’t matter. This isn’t Politico. We’re not talking gun legislation and politics. If you need a cause go help build a home for the homeless or whatever. Spend your time better.

          The analogy is use for bob is the white racist that only watches The Black Entertainment Channel and spends all his time yelling at the TV without paying attention to any of the programing.

          Bob is not fooling anyone here except you it seems and we will keep up the pressure on him and harass him every opportunity we get.

          The Copyright Industry is very aware of TorrentFreak and will put people here to harass its users and try to disrupt discussion. It happens all the time.

          And if you want to preach, go open a church.

        • sosad

          Everything is political, everything is affecting everyone. Be responsible. This is the only way for growing maturity in internet and social freedom.
          Freedom of speech, gun legislation, internet censorship, it all is the same battle.
          You seem to be the one in your petty torrent church, trying to imagine you are at home, putting pressure on folks and thinking that they would give a faq.
          Free yourself from your categories, then you ll may be become kind of useful to the real community.

          Think again, P2P is now both ideology and realpolitik, and no more your filesharing ghetto only. This a great victory, try to learn , participate and enjoy History.

          And you should definitely try to stop telling others what they should do, would bring reality, happiness and safety in your life.

          Good luck.

        • Jesus

          Maybe you should let someone else do the writing for you. Probably the thinking part to. Your trying to hard. You don’t have the intelligence for it.

  • Anon678

    Pretty decent list of public and private NZB indexers: http://www.usenetdb.net/indexers

    • frfrferss

      Thanks mate!

    • Whatever

      Also thanks, bookmarked it.

      However those won’t find obfuscated named items.

      • bno112300

        I’m sure there’s a userscript available to scramble your search so it matches the name. It’s not ideal, but any sane host of the .bin structure would ignore takedown requests of garbled files, or at least slow it down, since usenet is about getting new data, which shouldn’t be much of a problem if you’re running sickbeard or something.

      • Lemon

        Yes and no. Some indexers decode the obfuscated names (either via human effort, or automated processes via NFO, etc).

    • Guest

      nzbs(dot)org has been closed since October/November 2012.

      • Guest

        WRONG!
        It is still active!

        • Guest

          the original login page was NOT like this nzbs(dot)org/login

          THAT IS A SCAM TO RETRIEVE USER PASSWORDS

        • Guest

          Well it seems it’s not a scam.

  • Whatever

    Noticed this trend, but it took a while to see it.

    At first it looked some content wasn’t posted anymore and the random generated names (i wouldn’t call it encryption as the data isn’t) seemed like spam or something that shouldn’t exist in the first place. Then later found a nzb site (which disappeared since) that looked at the file names inside.

    Now accidentally found a “spot site” (cumbersome for no dates in the search results) which has the information and the nzb files for it. However it was too late for a lot of things until a repost appears.

    But it is indeed a bit annoying and it works into the MAFIAA plan, not against it. However i doubt anyone would have said “He, its not here, well lets go out and buy it now”. I think it will be more like this “He, its not there, too bad, lets go outside and enjoy the weather”.

    Maybe TPB can start a MAFIAA proof indexing offshoot like one of the many other bays.

  • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

    Is ‘Pirate DRM’ Really the Best Response to Bulk DMCA Takedowns?

    NO

  • http://twitter.com/dartigen Dartigen

    This is another arms race. They search our torrents, we encrypt the names. They find a way to search within the torrent, we encrypt the filenames too.

    I can see this turning into a back-and-forth until either one side manages to wipe out the other, or (more likely) everyone realizes this is a stupid battle and a waste of everyone’s time and/or money, and everyone goes to reasonably-priced digital distribution on-demand. (Okay, simplistic explanation of a solution to the piracy/antipiracy war but you get what I mean – something has to give here, and I think (well, I hope) that it’ll be the culture.)

    • Guest321

      There is more of us than there is of them. This is a battle they can’t possibly win. Moreover the file sharing community has some of the brightest minds in the technology world, which enables us to stay two steps ahead of the copyright trolls all the time. Let them keep playing the whack-a-mole game.

  • commenter8

    This could actually be a good way to keep a file widely available…

    Let’s think of the minimum “takedown delay” as X (amount of time).

    Now use a clever script to upload thousands of copies of the file, with both file name and file content encrypted – each copy having a different decryption key.

    Now use another clever script to automatically publish (using forum comments, etc.) one link and its decryption key once every X time units…

  • Jim Rustles

    >usenet

  • dlovin123

    A file I cant download is potentially something I wont post a review about to my Facebook peeps which means wors of mouth advertising is lost.

    These Hollywood idiots don’t know how much free marketing they get from filesharers.

    They see it as a lost sale…. I see it as selling 3 or 4 copies once my family see me praising the content in a post.

    Unless the movie sucks then Im just glad I didn’t waste $35 on a bluray. I dont buy shoes without trying them on, why would I buy a movie without screening it first?

    • Guest321

      The MPAA/RIAA knows this but they have to pretend they don’t or else its their job at stake. If they can’t convince the artists and the filmmakers that piracy is harmful, they will be out of jobs lol. Moreover thanks to the internet, distributors and publishers of digital products no longer serve any purpose. The marketing department can take a hike too. At this point what we are facing is the age old problem of middlemen trying to leech off society for as long as they can and destroying lives in the process.

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  • Aponymous

    Isn’t this exactly what Mega is doing? All your uploads are ‘private’ and you decide with whom you want to share.

    • Internet_Zen_Master

      Kind of. Although I think its also taking things a step further, what with the disguising the files by changing the file names and all. That sort of thing was standard on Megavideo back in the day, and is still the norm for others.

      Still, what Usenet and the private trackers are doing just seems counter to the “file-sharing mindset” I guess. *shrugs* Oh well.

      As the Zen Master says, “We’ll see.”

  • Guest321

    Well blow me down. It didn’t require a password to register with Disqus a month ago but now they want a password to sign me in? Wtf is this shit system? Oh well time for a new account lol.

  • http://news.mensactivism.org/ Jhon Deo

    Yeah this is a problem. But not that big of one. You can always just use torrents. The bigger problem [at least for us in the United States] imho is six strikes.

    I’m probably just going to end up buying a $3-$7 per month seedbox, and sharing it with two or three people to cut the cost down to nearly nothing. Then use it to download from a general private site. That way I can hide my ip, and not worry about my upload ratio.

    • HelpfulMan

      just for a friendly bit of advice not all isp’s use the six strike method. im not going to tell you which ones dont but you can do a little research and easily see that not all do.

      • http://news.mensactivism.org/ Jhon Deo

        Yeah I did the research, and we pretty much only have comcast as a choice for internet. They are participating in the 3 strikes program.

  • Andrew me

    This is such a good idea but would mean that there would not be as many files being shared on torrent sites if it happened there. The reason people use torrent to download is the ease of use. I can with a few clicks download a file i want and i know from the torrent name what is in that file. How many people would want to use a text file to determine the name of the file they wanted, then have to rename the file when they had finished downloading it. It would do what the monopolists want and make it too complicated for the normal citizen who barely understands how to use a torrent client.

  • ZenkTink

    I think these anti piracy folks jsut have WAY too much spare time on their hands!

    GlobalAnon.da.bz

  • JG

    I know of a now defunct site that use to do similar… Except, rather than turning the file names into a ‘gibberish’ collection of random characters, they just used synonyms. Like the Doctor Who episode “The Doctor’s Daughter” would become “The Physician’s Female Child”… Something like that could potentially delay take downs as well, while leaving the files still (somewhat) accessible to outsiders…

    • HelpfulMan

      I still say if they didnt want undercover computing they shouldn’t have made laptops. Those things can very easily be used under covers.

  • dsadasdas

    why ppl use anything else rather than TPB?

  • Guest

    On its own the title encrypting mechanism is a brilliant idea.
    Not only for usenet groups.

    And the ways to decrypt the titles could be made available to non memers somewhere, it could even become custom where to put them and any pirte would know where to look for it without joining basically shutting out only the bots that wouldn’t have them.

    Or they can keep doing stuff this way, it’s up to them and both paths have their benefits.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Honestly, what is obvious to pirates and techies and completely obfuscated for bobmail and the rest of his sectarian colleagues in the international church of copyright is that as long as any method introduces manual-only steps the individual user has to take, the automated indexing and takedown fails.

      And with that, so does any method the *IAA’s have of enforcement. Simply because any corporation has to look at the bottom line which is that to employ one more, another has to go. Manpower is expensive.

      Many methods exist of verification which will stump any computer ever built but be mere entertainment for a five-year old child.

      In this we are aided since the cpyright church doctrine apparently has it that the internet is a series of tubes maintained and run by a mailservice of leprechaun-mounted unicorns. Or something similarly confusing.

  • jjfdjjd

    Usenet sucks anyways. Half the time the content is poor quality so you have to look for another copy. Or dealing with missing pieces wondering if they are all there. Folders become messy with par and par2 files all over the place. Trying to organize what youve downloaded. Then the HORRRIBLE yemc format requiring you to skip over 50 file name parts per file. Then having to filter out french german languages. Based on tittles. Can’t see comments or ratings. Overall its garbage. Look up Boston legal. How many decent series do you see vs torrents. Torrents beat Usenet any day.

    The one good thing is the hard to find content you won’t find anywhere else.

    • Anonymouse

      yEnc isn’t a problem if you use a decent newsreader which threads the posts so you only see the first. And the reason there’s more content available as torrents is because that’s the file sharing method that’s got the most publicity so obviously more people use it.

  • Violated0

    Encryption is indeed the future and like any new system there is a chaotic period as people come to learn how best to use the new technology. So there will soon be many workable levels offering a range of security or general public access. Word of mouth is a powerful tool that will keep interested people in the know.

    I would not say encryption is being done due to the increasing “torrent” of DMCA notices when people have always seen this as a fair whac-a-mole game. We put up, they take down, we put up again, and so on. All fair in this little War over media and market control.

    Instead encryption is being done due to the involvement of the United States administration and their overzealous misuse of the law. People are no longer safe hiding behind their knowledge of the law when the USA will simply overreach to get them. I would also say encryption is being done due to rampant violation of people’s privacy and anonymity when each BT download is being tracked by hundreds of organizations for whatever nefarious reasons.

    Encryption is not such a good thing when right now information and media is openly displayed and freely available to all but site administrators do need to protect their butt with their “I have no idea what the files are when all are encrypted and it is unlawful without authorization to decrypt encrypted files”

  • zarathustra2k1

    Since NZBMatrix died, PreDB & BinSearch/NZBIndex keeps me right up-to-date, televisually-speaking…

  • porkrinds

    maybe it is just me but sites like Netflix, mog, crunchyroll, etc… Really make downloading media kinda pointless. Why spend my money on storage and electricity to consume something that is so cheap that I could afford it by recycling cans I find in the street. Games and applications are the only things worth the the effort really and even those will soon be part of a streaming service. Yes, I realize that these system ultimately diminishes the value of and incomes of content creators. maybe when content no longer has significant monetary value we will finally desire quality over quantity and the market will correct itself.

  • JerkfaceMcGee

    Mega-Search’s system after having its links taken down en masse was a single time reCAPTCHA code before you can click on whatever you wanted (like perfectly legal copies of Ubuntu). Since DMCA notices created or at least assisted by automated programs are becoming more prevalent, I do think a relatively marginal hindrance is necessary after a certain point of claims from one party. That way, they’ll either come off as trying to block the whole website or have to manually intervene in the DMCA process.

  • http://twitter.com/tueksta Andreas Beer

    If you try to share files to the public, this public will always include someone who might send a takedown notice. I think an option would to have generic URLs that all link to the same file, that cycle around on a daily basis. When a takedown notice arrives, that single URL is taken out of the loop, while the others prevail, and a new one is added immediately. Just be faster than the legal system will ever gonna be.

  • Miami Sunset

    Private sites do force people to share whereas public sites don’t. So in some ways private sites encourage better behavior.

    It seems that the future of torrents may be private servers. It’s harder for the companies to know what’s being shared on those sites. And it’s not as worthwhile trying to stop a site that’s only sharing a couple hundred copies as opposed to a few thousand.

  • Terry1

    The problem with DMCA take down notices is that they are simply not effective. They can send a take down notice and just a moment later the stuff gets uploaded again and again while the downloaders, that bring in the money for the hosters, can download anonymously and the uploaders can hide their IP-addresses behind proxies.

    Therefore cyberlockers and usenet-providers had to store and hand out the IP-addresses of the downloaders so they can be prosecuted like it is the case in p2p-networks or the uploaders had to register with their verified postal address or passport.

  • Terry1

    test

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