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Justice Department Backs RIAA Against Pirating Student

The Department of Justice has filed a brief siding with the RIAA in its civil case against the file-sharing student Joel Tenenbaum.The RIAA is protesting a demand from the student’s legal team, who want the court to reduce the massive $675,000 fine on due process grounds, to the minimum statutory damages of $750 per song.

riaaMore than half a decade ago, the RIAA sued tens of thousands of alleged file-sharers. While the music group settled with the majority for a few thousand dollars each, student Joel Tenenbaum chose to put up a fight.

As of today, the case is still ongoing.

In 2009, a jury found Tenenbaum guilty of “willful infringement” and awarded damages mounting to $675,000. A year later this amount was reduced by 90% when Judge Nancy Gertner ruled that the penalty was excessive and unconstitutional. In 2011 this decision that was reversed after a new hearing at the Court of Appeals.

In yet another appeal, Tenenbaum’s legal team, headed by Harvard law professor Charles Nesson, is asking the court to reduce the $22,500 fine per song to the minimum statutory damages of $750 per song. This request is made on due process grounds.

As expected, the RIAA doesn’t agree with the request and presented its arguments to the court last Friday. But they were not alone – on the same day the Department of Justice also filed a brief with the court, backing the RIAA’s vision on the case.

In a 26-page filing the Department of Justice makes the argument that previous cases, as cited by Tenenbaum’s legal team, do not apply in this instance. It concludes that the due process grounds are not relevant yet and that the damages therefore shouldn’t be reduced before the case continues.

The due process question should only be answered when the court decides that the jury’s award of $22,500 per song is not excessive, according to the Departement of Justice.

“The only circumstance in which the Court can reach Defendant’s due process challenge at this time is if the Court first determines the jury’s statutory damages award is not excessive under the common law remittitur standard. The United States, therefore, does not believe it is necessary at this juncture to address the merits of Defendant’s constitutional claim,” the DoJ writes.

Although this is not the first time the Justice Department has become involved in an RIAA civil case, it remains unclear why they chose to intervene this time. What we do know is that the authorities are very up-to-date with the legal proceedings, as five former RIAA lawyers are now employed by the Department of Justice.

Whether these connections between the Justice Department and the RIAA have increased the likelihood of the authorities getting involved is hard to say. However, it is clear that Tenenbaum and his legal team are up against some serious resistance, and that the US authorities don’t want the student to get off that easily..

To be continued, indefinitely.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002639684444 Ryan Smith

    The Justice Dept. IS RIAA!

    FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

    • Anon

      “The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.”

      -Japanese proverb

      • None

        But it’s applied to the social behaviour of ostracizing “sticking up” citizens, not to the govs cutting heads, for which they invented katanas.

        • Dsa

          In a way, that kid was sticking up against the norm. It’s just that the gov handed the punishment instead of his peers

      • Guest

        RIAA/MPAA. . . .

        Never-mind that because we are going to kill them all.

        • FBI RATS

          They’re afraid of what we could do.

        • OMGWTFBBQ

          imokwiththis.jpg

        • FBI RATS

          ”Never-mind that because we are going to kill them all.”

          Im not sure but it appears you could be detained indefinitely for that comment under the NDAA act. i hope im mistaken..
          ———– ———– ———–
          ACT
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012
          ”this includes the power to detain, via the Armed Forces, any person “who was part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in **hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners,” and anyone who commits a **”belligerent act” against the U.S. or its coalition allies in aid of such enemy forces,”
          look up

          **hostilities = opposition or resistance to an idea, plan, project, etc.
          **belligerent act = of warlike character; aggressively hostile
          ———– ———– ———– ———–
          saying ”Never-mind that because we are going to kill them all.” IS A HOSTILE ACT

        • Everyone

          Pay trolls inciting violence aren’t welcome here. I’ll ask nicely, on behalf on many people here; Please leave. It’s not an order, it’s not a demand, only a request. We don’t like it when MAFIAA employees try to start violence here, so please stop.

        • Guest

          @FBI RATS

          “hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners. . .”

          Ouhhhh! I am really scare! You are an idiot!

          You just represented one the biggest problem are nation are facing right now that no patriot such as myself can ignore.

          A swarm of parasites are trying to take over our country using as a pretext all this terrorists BS. But guess what? We are not afraid and we are not fools. We don’t need some fucking FBI and other non-sense to defend ourselves. We are not going to let anyone destroy our country, and trample our constitution.

          Unlike many of your FBI friends We will keep our oath.

          Since when are the RIAA/MPAA and all these corporations of parasites the “United state of America” and since when they are coalition partners?

          Ironically none of them are really American companies!

          The United States of America MEAN US! We are the United State of America!

          Are you citing the patriot act and the NDAA? Oh Guess what? These laws are null and void since they both infringe the US constitution multiple time! Attempting to enforce any of this laws is a crime punishable by fine and prison time.

          As far as these corporation of parasites are concerned we have to kill them all!

          Don’t laugh. It is a lot easier to destroy a business than to build one.

          Finally obviously you don’t understand anything about our democracy, our republic, our culture and have no clue about notion such as “Freedom of speech” as indicated by your stupid treat.

          May I suggest you relocate to north Korea or Iran where you might feel more at home?

          Which one of you and I are the terrorist now?

        • Guest

          “Since when are the RIAA/MPAA and all these corporations of parasites the “United state of America” and since when they are coalition partners?”

          The USA and the RIAA/MPAA are essentially partners due to lobbying. They provide lawmakers campaign donations and the lawmakers make laws which favor the RIAA/MPAA or they lose their donations and thus, lose their elections.

          “Ironically none of them are really American companies!”

          The majority of them actually are based in the US as they grew with Hollywood. If I misunderstood and you meant that they are not owned by the government, then yes, this is correct. The reverse is getting closer and closer to the truth though, which is scary.

          I hope this all makes sense to you now. :)

        • Guest

          “Don’t laugh. It is a lot easier to destroy a business than to build one.”

          This statement is true for small businesses only. Once they have tailored the laws in their favor it gets very difficult to destroy them.

        • Guest

          “The majority of them actually are based in the US as they grew with Hollywood”

          NOPE! Actually they are all multinational corporations who do not give a shit about America! They are fucking up everything everywhere even in New Zea-land and Australia.

          They are the Enemies of the united state of America and we have to kill them al, period.

    • Predator

      FREE HANA BESHARA!
      FREE BRADLEY MANING
      FREE KIM DOTCOM

      • Tt

        Fuck Hana
        Mary Bradley
        Kill Kim

    • http://www.facebook.com/mined Adam Karlsson

      Word.

    • Anon

      All a not silly with his stud met loans and elected carrer ona very crap graduate wage he will never earn enough to pay them back all totally stupid and ruining a your persons life over some crap music.

    • lulz
  • Anonymous

    being thick, perhaps, but what the hell has it got to do with the DoJ? i know the RIAA, like the rest of the entertainment industries, are useless at doing things for themselves, needing help from just about everyone, from Governments to ISPs, but to get help from that quarter now? they must be getting pretty desperate!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

      Several of the DoJ’s top positions are manned by former RIAA/MPAA attorneys, including one from Capitol v. Thomas. One of the big guns resigned recently after a dispute with Eric Holder, but there’s at least two left, including the top signatory on the brief in question. These positions are appointed by the President and approved by Congress, and typically are pro-business, anti-consumer, anti-labor, even when appointed by a Democrat (these guys were appointed by Clinton and Obama!). This bias might be hedged somewhat by the relatively liberal kinds of appointments that Democratic presidents tend to make to e.g. the NLRB and the federal courts. I don’t pretend to understand.

  • me

    Yet Obama is the darling of the younger internet generation in the US. Go figure…!

    • Swan

      The tide has quickly turned on Obama, as now none of the younger generation trust him after signing NDAA and pretending the beatdowns the police are giving at occupy movements aren’t happening. In saying that, the alternatives aren’t much better, as they would rather argue about putting bases on the moon than fixing the problems facing the nation.

      • Guest

        Occupy is still going to vote for Obama as opposed to say, Ron Paul. Bunch of government assistance aid driven reliant folk that can’t live without their taxpayer money and big brother government.

        • http://profiles.google.com/artfulldragon TL Dragon

          Is it hard to type with your head that far up your ass??

          Try pulling your head OUT. Smells better out here, and you run the risk of having to apply actual thought based on fact as opposed to making stupid shit up, but I mean it’s worth a try right??

          Who knows, you might like it out here.

          Or you know keep your head up there and continue being one more uneducated turd. Whatever works for you I guess.

      • Yota Byte

        @Swan : In the words of the late, great, Gil Scott-Heron

        “A rat done bit my sister Nell.
        (with Whitey on the moon)
        Her face and arms began to swell.
        (and Whitey’s on the moon)
        I can’t pay no doctor bill.
        (but Whitey’s on the moon)
        Ten years from now I’ll be payin’ still.
        (while Whitey’s on the moon)
        The man jus’ upped my rent las’ night.
        (’cause Whitey’s on the moon)
        No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
        (but Whitey’s on the moon)
        I wonder why he’s uppi’ me?
        (’cause Whitey’s on the moon?)
        I wuz already payin’ ‘im fifty a week.
        (with Whitey on the moon)
        Taxes takin’ my whole damn check,
        Junkies makin’ me a nervous wreck,
        The price of food is goin’ up,
        An’ as if all that shit wuzn’t enough:
        A rat done bit my sister Nell.
        (with Whitey on the moon)
        Her face an’ arm began to swell.
        (but Whitey’s on the moon)
        Was all that money I made las’ year
        (for Whitey on the moon?)
        How come there ain’t no money here?
        (Hmm! Whitey’s on the moon)
        Y’know I jus’ ’bout had my fill
        (of Whitey on the moon)
        I think I’ll sen’ these doctor bills,
        Airmail special
        (to Whitey on the moon)”

    • Guest

      Ron Paul 2012

      • Mr. Putin

        I’m not from the UK and I’ve not really heard much about Ron Paul, why are you all so fond of him? He looks older than Obama and people always say on Torrentfreak how their age is the reason for sopa/pipa/acta since they aren’t in our generation. So if you mind explaining too me why Ron Paul is so special please do. :)

        I do recall him speaking out against SOPA at one point…

        • DrDew00

          People like Ron Paul because of his Libertarian views. He believes in very small federal government. This means he would not support legislation like sopa/pipa/acta simply because he believes the market and the states should be responsible for settling the issue, not the Federal Government.

        • Resin

          Ron Paul is a big advocate of reducing federal government power. His main solution for fixing most of the problems facing the United States involves a few components that most other candidates don’t support. First is completely eliminating the FED, and their control over interest rates. Second, he supports returning a high portion of governmental power to the states. In addition, he refuses to accept corporate sponsorship for his campaigns, and has shown that he will take positions that companies absolutely despise. He doesn’t compromise his views. Finally, he wants to completely remove the U.S. from all other countries. This applies mainly to the military, but would also include foreign aid and disaster relief.

          That said, I don’t like Ron Paul very much. His position of giving states a high amount of control over the government ignores the fact that if given the choice to do so, states will restrict freedoms. As a very strict constitutionalist, Ron Paul has stated that only the federal government should be prevented from restricting rights. What that means is that if the state of Texas decided that only rich people should have the right to free speech, Ron Paul’s response would very likely be “that sucks, but it’s perfectly legal”. He doesn’t recognize that the goal of the country shouldn’t just be to match the constitution as originally written, but to provide a meritocratic and democratic society. Simply putting power at a different level of government doesn’t accomplish that.
          (If I had to give an example, his dislike for the civil rights movement would be the one I’d choose. He dislikes it because the federal government forced people to treat each other as legal equals. I can’t understand this. The states had already said they weren’t going to. What was supposed to happen; we just leave an entire class of people in enforced poverty because the states wanted it? Bullshit I say.)

          His foreign policy also sucks. It’s nice that he’s willing to say that military troops should be recalled, but his unwillingness to keep a military presence around at-risk allies and his inability to plan for future problems with overseas economic partners, and his horrible voting record on foreign aid (even voting against foreign aid during times of natural disasters or genocidal dictatorships) is just inexcusable to me.

          In addition, Paul is a bad negotiator. He hasn’t shown any capacity for uniting anyone, and if he did become president, I don’t imagine he’d get anything significant from his agenda passed. He just doesn’t have the ability to unite people and get them to consider his points of view. If I had to use one word, I’d say he’s undiplomatic, which won’t help his chances of getting anything done.

          Finally, I don’t think that what he proposes will fix some of the most fundamental problems that America has. The problems with the legal and healthcare system (mainly extended liability and the Gatekeeper policy) aren’t things he’d even address. His only solution would be to pass it off to the states and hope they do something.

          He’s a nice alternative to the legions of clones that reside in the rest of the political scene, and I may even vote for him, but I have no illusions that Ron Paul will fix this country.

        • http://profiles.google.com/artfulldragon TL Dragon

          Paul is an insanely wealthy crusty old fuck who has zero chance of seeing the oval office.

          His views and talking points are irrelevant because he will NEVER get the votes. Half his supporters are the kind of folks who don’t show up to the polls on the big day, and our two main parties may as well be the fucking illuminati, the odds of a 3rd party candidate making it to office are right up there with Jesus coming down to show off his loaves and fishes trick with Penn and Teller on an HBO special.

          If by some miracle, or more likely some bribe large enough, he made it into office he would be useless. This shit Congress pulls with Obama would be nothing compared to the stone wall of complete asshole President Paul would be shown.

          Legislatively and governmentally speaking, we sane American citizens are fucked. Until we are offered a candidate who is able to understand his/her job is not to legislate morality, but to uphold our constitution and manage our fiscal and foreign matters, there isn’t a shit load we can do via the electoral process.

  • http://twitter.com/CheapassFiction AeliusBlythe

    How can 22,500 per song possibly NOT be excessive? There is no conceivable justification for such a penalty–not that I think there should be any penalty at all for sharing music, but tens of thousands of $$ is ridiculous. Of course I know the justification is that it should be a deterrent, but it still MUST be proportional…. this is just ridiculous.

    • Erthwjim

      Even 750 per song would still be strong enough of a deterrent, but you’re right 22k is outrageous, I could go kill a baby and probably end up owing less than that (note: I do not condone the killing of babies).

      • killemall

        how about writing MAFIAA on a babys head, taping the killing then posting on youtube? That would be fun!

        • DannyUfonek

          You would be sued for broadcasting the MAFIAA’s name without owning the copyright to do so.

    • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com S.J. Doe

      As a matter of fact, many argue that copyright statutory damages are unconstitutional, specifically they violate 8th amendment….

      http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/2011/06/29/eighth-amendment-and-copyright-trolls/

  • Guesty

    Self inflicted Globalization is eating Americas breakfast, lunch and the cookie from the jars. The only thing left to make money is: jails, building an Army of remote controlled Drones aka the Military, sizing Hometurf Security to insane sizes – and the IP industry (including 1000s of trials because of trivial patents in the mobile patent wars).

    In this context its clear why the DoJ sides with the media lobby: its one of the industries that still produce in America – and thus deserves special protection.

    • Anonymous

      I hear Lawyers still make a good living…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000617943487 Máté Bikfalvi

    Even with the damages reduced to $750/song that’s still $22500 you have to pay if you lose. I think that is fairer because it is actually payable, but in the end, even this amount is still ridiculous for 30 songs.

  • BooBooKittyPhuck

    Gee, what a surprise!

    Imagine that – the Injustice Department backs the MAFIAA! I’m shocked!

  • Brian

    Your description and characterization of the events here is a little off. The RIAA and DOJ docs you linked to are memoranda of points on remand. The Tenenbaum article you link to wasn’t an appeal but a request for rehearing, which the appellate court had denied.

    Also, the DOJ didn’t choose to intervene “at this time”, they had become a party back in March 2009. There’s nothing nefarious about it — the federal government can and often does intervene in any case where the constitutionality of a law is argued.

    • Erthwjim

      That doesn’t change the fact that they’re backing the wrong people.

  • Standingo

    it’s all because joel sent an email to the riaa pres saying he’d bone his daughter

  • Anonymous

    Time to remove the word “Justice” from the DOJ. The legal system in the US is not about justice it’s about vengeance. Some of the highest prison terms in the world and by far the largest civil settlements. Not to mention, why the hell is the DOJ involved in a civil case anyway?

  • Danny

    Should be renamed to the Injustice Department in my opinion!

    • Anonymous

      As many of them are former RIAA flunkies, we could come up with much better names….. How about combining the two. Department of RIAA, or Department of RIAA Injustice. Department of Extortion…. think of a few more.

      • Anonymous

        I have been calling them the “Department of Punishment” for ages when this seems the correct word to fit their actions in always wanting people to be strongly punished.

        This name has a nice ring to it. The Department of Punishment, Fear us. Swift and brutal.

      • WickedEvilMojo

        Department of Vengeance would allow them to maintain their ridiculous habit of posing as defenders of freedom and call themselves DOVe.

        • EricBlair

          The Ministry of Love

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  • History Guy

    What if the police & phone company had gotten their way and sent Steve Jobs to prison for phone phreaking? No Apple.

    What if CERN had asserted ownership rights over Tim Berners-Lee’s HTML? No world wide web.

    What if Linus’ university had asserted ownership rights to his Linux kernel? No Linux. No Apache.

    What if the phone company had fired Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie for misuse of company time and equipment? No C or unix.

    What if Edison had sued the movie scumbags out of existence? No Hollywood.

    On the other hand, what if the book publishers had won against Thomas Jefferson and banned public libraries? The US would have lost WW2 and the ancestors of the media cabal would have been executed by the NAZIs.

    • Mwhahaha

      “What if the police & phone company had gotten their way and sent Steve Jobs to prison for phone phreaking? No Apple.”

      There’d be a few less suicidal Chinese?

    • Maxi

      What if the police & phone company had gotten their way and sent Steve Jobs to prison for phone phreaking? No Apple.

      What if Edison had sued the movie scumbags out of existence? No Hollywood.

      You say these two things like it would’ve been bad.

    • http://twitter.com/alertstick Stiffo

      Actually, Edison DID try to sue movie companies out of existence. There’s always a new bastard to replace the last one.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Patents_Company

  • Oomg

    bottom line is all us citizen are fucked up since they don’t have right anymore

    i feel bad for them !

  • Whatever

    I think 1 dollar per song in damages is well enough…

    • Mwhahaha

      That’d about the market rate I’d imagine for the cost of a song.

      I don’t see why these guys don’t just go for market rates when ppl are caught pirating. Most ppl would probably hold their hands up and say “aw you got me, here’s the $10 for that album I downloaded” rather than deny it and take it further.

      None of this big brother bullshit would be happening now if they sued for actual market costs of supposed losses. Assuming that is the pirate would have purchased whatever instead of taking it for free.

      • Mwhahaha

        *that’d be

      • Truec

        I’m not entirely certain you or the guy before you understand how they determine damages. They’re not suing people for downloading, they’re suing them for uploading. It goes back to that stupid idea that every song downloaded is a lost sale, so uploaders should be forced to pick up the tab. It also is meant to act as a deterrent, in the same way that speeding doesn’t cost $200 worth of damage, but you’re still expected to pay a fine for it. Yes, it’s stupid, but there is a logic, however retarded, behind it.

        • Guest

          The logic isn’t even that retarded: the uploader violated distribution rights, and should be forced to pick up the tab. The problem is, while the “lost sale” idea still applies, since they’re actually not losing inventory and copying a song for digitial distribution is trivial, they’re only losing profit.

          Even at this point, we’re still within the fair and logical, the main issue is that these corporations overvalue a copy of a song well beyond the worth given by demand (and don’t give much of it to the people who actually did the creative work). This is how they end up with $750+ per song instead of a more reasonable, say $10 per song (punitive damages not included).

        • Borderliner

          > and don’t give much of it to the people who actually did the creative work
          Those who enforce such prices don’t give ANYTHING to the people who did the creative work. IIRC it’s been the official position of MPAA&friends that all money recovered from “pirates” is to be used for further “fighting”, not compensating the authors.

      • Resin

        Then what’s the motivation to pay? If I’m going to pay 10 dollars normally, and 10 dollars if I get caught, why should I ever pay?

        $750 is way too much, but the punishment for breaking the law should be more than the cost of normally purchasing the good.

        Think about it like this; if we accept, for the sake of argument only, that piracy should be illegal, then we have to ask what the punishment should be. The answer should obviously be “more than the cost of the good”, because without that there is no reason to pay for the good in the first place.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

          Only problem is I DON’T accept that non commercial file sharing (not ‘piracy’) should be illegal.
          I ESPECIALLY don’t accept that the MAFIAA should be able to get copyright extended and extended ad infinitum. THEY are the criminals. They are damaging our culture and hounding ordinary people who want to enjoy culture.

      • WinstonSmith

        “None of this big brother bullshit would be happening now if they sued for actual market costs of supposed losses.”

        Copyright is the guise.
        Control of our networks and a self regulating mass of scared, ignorant proles is the true agenda.
        They will all turn on us, more-so than you ever expected.
        You can feel it. They’re gearing up for something big.

    • Ugly American

      A buck for a lossy DRM infested MP3? That’s 99 cents too much…

  • Anonymous

    Thats a bad way to end a month

  • Captain Hook

    $750 per song? Who is appraising these “stolen” items?

    • BooBooKittyMath

      The MAFIAA – it’s part of the “one download = 1 billion dollars in losses” math.

      See? It all makes perfect sense.
      And to think we doubted such accurate calculations! Frankly, I’m ashamed…

    • Anonymous

      That is the minimum value possible under the law. This law was really aimed in mind of commercial infringement and the level was set to wipe out all profit they would have made.

      File-sharing, with no money involved, tends to break the system. Ideally it requires a new law to separate out the two.

      • Gae

        You mean… copyright laws are outdated???
        Now thats a suprise :)

  • Knux

    The thing you have to remember and rather the reason of why they are trying to get it lowered to the bare minimal (aka this is what the law has in place as a MINIMAL, no lower) of $750 is that the RIAA is going off of evidence from torrent sites, tracker stats and numerous other unreliable source of how many times these songs were actually downloaded. So they take a number like 8000 download, and back then the market price of a song was around $3-5 (yes it was actually that high back then) and then come up with a number of around $24,000-40,000. (The actual amount being $22,500 charged per song) Atleast that’s what they see in their eyes, and this originally was brought down to around $1,000 per song but was reversed as stated in the article. The courts have to understand though, they have no proof that these songs were download A. That many times, B. That Joel was responsible for every download, C. They must have evidence of EVERY download, and D. That they must prove that every proven download did infact cause them money due to a lost sale, which would basically involve calling all 8,000 people per song to come in and testify against Joel which would never happen in a million years.

    • Anonymous

      That is not what the law says. This is statutory damages where the whole concept is about when the level of infringement cannot be proved leading to an estimation of a value designed to wipe out the profit they would have made.

      • Indeed I am a walrus

        … But this guy made absolutely fuck all from uploading?

        • Anonymous

          Obviously.

          Non-commercial sharing was not given much thought when they made that very law. Is a Jury awarding over $1 million in damages valid? Like in the Jammie Thomas-Rasset case the Judge has ruled “no” twice in that it is a cruel & unusual punishment. So such an award then gets minimised but then a new round begins.

          The law clearly malfunctioned twice here. First is that a Jury, required by this law, cannot set a “Bill of Right” valid award level. So the Judge is forced to try establishing a new standard under existing law.

          The second problem is that a case trailing on like this in case after case, appeal after appeal, for year after year, is not in the interest of either side. The rights holders have to be multi-millionaires just to consider it and the defendants just have to fight on because the damages in no way fits the crime.

          This is why I say when we pose our own law to Congress that this is a problem we should address. It is best to just set a nominal fine and with appeal heard in civil court for a quick judgement.

          It would be nice to make what they did lawful but that is a much harder law change to achieve and would need to be done on international level.

  • Guest

    far are gone the days when the us justice was given as an example to the outside world.

    i wish it was porn movies rather than music, this would have even better shown how america is nothing else than a decadent empire

    • Ugly American

      Considering the current state of affairs, pr0n is about the only “morality” America has left to export. Oh, and war too – billions of taxpayer dollars for needless bloodshed = a vibrant American economy. I believe that’s the current logic in Washington. And who could doubt it – America is doing soooooo well right now! The streets are paved with gold! <3

  • Anon

    I love how the Americans post on here saying their country is this, the government is that, our freedoms are the other, Yet none of them do anything about it. You have a vote USE IT. If your area is REP then vote for the DEM and vice versa produce a hung parliment vote for the little known guys, there’s always parties like the pirate party. Honestly unless voters start fucking up their power these governments will not give a fuck about the public they are supposed to represent.

    • astroboi

      The real problem is that there is nobody to vote for. No one is actually campaigning on the platform of copyright reform, whistleblower protection, legalising drugs, support of womens rights, or any of the other issues we feel are important. Right or left, GOP or Dems, all of them support some or all of the measures the American public detests. All anybody can do is vote for the least deadly person and hope they meant what they said. The current administration went back on many promises and added an MPAA stooge as VP. So who should I vote for next time? Re-elect Obama and Biden? Hypocrite and ignoramous Ginrich? Or maybe Romney who believes in the lunacy of Joseph Smith (or maybe he doesn’t actually making him a bigger hypocrite)? Who is it going to be? Who gives a crap about us?

      • Anonymous

        Ron Paul?

        • Ugly American

          Exactly. He is the only one who supports legalization AND Net Neutrality.
          NONE of the others do. Guess why he won’t be nominated?

      • Anon

        That’s when you choose not to vote. It would send out an incredible message to the politicians. A message that says ‘None of you are actually representing me’

        • Ugly American

          Correct. If Ron Paul doesn’t make a third party run (since the Republicans will not nominate him), I will never vote. Frankly, there is no choice since Liberals and Neo-cons = the same bullshit under a different banner. There is absolutely no difference between Liberal Democrats and Neo-con Republicans – Paul is the only Libertarian and the establishment does NOT want an outsider. You’re absolutely right – the only way to send a clear message is to abstain from voting. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – they can’t install another puppet in the White House if everyone stays home on election day. Then what? They will be forced to make changes. It’s a pity more people don’t realize this…

        • Guest

          Unfortunately, a large group of advocate groups pretty much slam you if you don’t vote, making planned abstaining…unsavory to the voting public.

      • Guest

        Legalising drugs and “support of women’s rights” (quoted because I don’t believe we cannot and should not legislate any more in regards to this topic, as it won’t fix any fundamental issues) are not really on the agenda of the American public that you speak of.

        But what you said is right though: we’re picking the lesser evil, not the most good.

    • Anon

      “If your area is REP then vote for the DEM and vice versa produce a hung parliment vote for the little known guys, there’s always parties like the pirate party.”

      Good advice for people living under a parliamentary system.

      When the US adopts one, I’m going to sing your wise words from the mountain tops, so they can be heard throughout the land.

      • BooBooKittyCoke

        “When the US adopts one, I’m going to sing your wise words from the mountain tops, so they can be heard throughout the land.”

        Just don’t sing a song which has a copywrong. It’ll destroy the “entertainment” industry and MILLIONS of jobs! And you’ll go to jail, you “terrorist!” How do expect MAFIAA thugs to purchase the finest cocaine with this attitude?! ;-)

      • Resin

        The U.S. doesn’t need a parliamentary system. All it needs is more congressmen. Increase the number to about 5,000 instead of 435. That will decrease the power of any individual congressman, and increase the amount of power given to each district, meaning that a small libertarian area of about 50,000 people could vote in a libertarian instead of being lumped in with 300,000 others and getting a republican or democrat.

        It’s what the founders did to make sure small parties existed. It’s just about all we have to do now.

        • Fulanus

          So much blabla and I dont see action by the US citizens, only the Occupy movement is doing something, perhaps you use these movements to spray this ideas and situations that are destroying the US country and making it an facist-corporate owned state.

  • Anonymous

    Stuff like that just makes you wanna scream Whos your Daddy!

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  • Deofatst

    750$ for a song. O’rly?

    If the RIAA wanted to be fair and reasonable as they claim:
    That makes 7,500 $ for a CD with at least 10 songs.
    Put CDs at this price on the shelves and see how many people buy?
    Let me tell you: NONE!

    Hypocrites! Everyone is on to you!

    • Zan

      ive said it before and i’ll say again filesharers should become mass shoplifters, the penalties are 99% less.

      • Gae

        Good point, he should have just gone and stolen thousands of cd’s from a store and shared them out instead. In my country the punishment would most likely have just been 6 weeks community service.

  • Zan

    go away riaa, better yet, let your criminal practises be exposed and you all get locked up.

    (this is me being polite anything would probably get me barred from the US)

    • abaranger

      you make that sound like a bad idea, heh.

  • Guest

    DOJ = Deniers of Justice

    • Anonymous

      RIAA
      Retarded Introverted Asshole Association

      • Anonymous

        GOVERNMENT = Gluttonous Overly Vicious Evil Repulsive Negatively Malicious Ensemble of Nasty Troublemakers

        • Ugly American

          MPAA = Money Purchasing American Authorities

  • Some_Guy

    HERE WE GO AGENN……….AGENN

  • Guest

    A government, for protecting business only, is but a carcass, and soon falls by its own corruption and decay. – Amos Bronson Alcott

    • Ugly American

      Translation: corporatism fails.

  • Guest

    I will vote for Ron Paul if he manage to run because I am sure we can convince him not to kill SS and medicare/Medicaid resume federal research fix the infrastructure and support education thanks to all the money we will save by bringing the troop home and getting rid of the fed.

    The gov and the gov shall only print the money not some fucking privates banks or criminal and thieves!

    And concerning these crappy corporations of parasites we are going to kill them all!

    • Everyone

      “I am sure we can convince him not to kill SS and medicare/Medicaid resume federal research fix the infrastructure and support education”

      You don’t know much about Ron Paul, do you? He’s held roughly the same views for decades, and those haven’t changed no matter how much people have implored for change. He’s opposed to Social Security and Medicare, along with all forms of federal governmental interference in the states. He’s not going to change that. If we elect him, you can be assured that he won’t do much with federal rsearch or federal education standards because he hates the federal government. If you’re expecting that to change…. Well, then you need a different candidate.

      Then again, why am I telling you this? You’re from the MAFIAA, you probably already know. And just for the record, hiding behind multiple profiles doesn’t mean we don’t know who you are. That “kill them all” really gives you away.

      • Guest

        Oh come on! I am not advocating violence.

        “Kill them all” mean kill their business.

        This is a very reasonable and justifiable objective! Isn’t it?

        • Guest

          Unless of course you have been brain washed by Mit Rodney in thinking that a corporation is a person.

  • OBAMA-1-TERM-PRESIDENT

    Thank You America for voting on a President that hires thugs and mafiosos in suits.

    • Ugly American

      Less than 20% of Americans voted for the clueless asshole.

      Don’t thank America – thank the globalist thugs who gave him power:
      Soros, Gates, Buffett, Rockefeller and other assorted mutants.

      • Anonymous

        Power, I believe they took from a population of ignorant sheeple living in their own comfort zones while discarding the reality of the world. As we have in Europe as well.

        As for Obama I keep claiming in the US it doesn’t really matter which of the two sock puppets you vote for. They’re both being vetted and used by the same guy behind the curtain.

        Although there are some rays of light – I’ve started seeing political awareness seethe up among the younger generation now and they are angry as hell since they know what is happening while our doddering excuses for “statesmen” obviously don’t. This pendulum will shift. Question is whether it’s before or after an armed uprising.

        • Ugly American

          Well put and you’re absolutely right – unfortunately, many young American people are still clueless. Take the Occupy “movement” – how many supporters are aware of the fact that it’s being backed by Soros and Leftist unions? 99% of them support Obama and his administration – they are too blind to realize:
          A. American fascist corporatism is NOT “capitalism.”
          B. There is absolutely no difference between Liberal and Neo-con.
          C. Globalist Left-winger Soros backs this “Occupy” nonsense (just like he backed Obama) so he can make another killing on Wall Street. He has pulled similar stunts around the world (especially in the UK) and earned billions as a result.

          It’s all related – fucks like Soros are “behind the curtain” (as you so aptly put it), but young people are completely oblivious and they continue to do his bidding. Yes, their hearts are in the right place but their minds are out to lunch. I’m really surprised Anonymous supports the Occupy $ham – they should’ve dug a little deeper or, heh, looked behind the curtain… ;-)

  • Ya

    Why do they still insist on going on with this?
    They will never see 99% of the money they get awarded no matter if it is $750 or $22500 per song. They proved their point long ago that they were going to sue people and punish this guy and now it seems they just keep appealing it because they are concerned with how it would make them look if they backed down.
    The fact that they are destroying somebodys life in the process does not seem to interest them at all.

  • Guest

    tell the Justice Department this story

    http://www.cbsyousuck.com

  • Guest

    tell the Justice Department this story

    http://onecandleinthedark.blogspot.com

  • Fambeu

    This statement says it all
    “The government if fixed
    That’s right it rigged”
    There is nothing wrong with the way things are set up unless your part of the other 99%

  • Anonymous

    The Department of “Justice”.

  • http://twitter.com/Bob_computers Bob H

    Why not let the RIAA settle for whatever they want then just go bankrupt and leave the RIAA with jack schit and no means of coming back.
    Rake in the publicity over the fact that the RIAA FORCED the bakcruptcy issue and sideline any earnings elsewhere out of reach of of this farcical initial judgement.

    Am sure a good lawyer can set all that up to leave the RIAA looking like they stomped the small guy into the dust and looking pretty bad

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      The media is owned by the same people suing him lol.

  • anonymous

    America is a very litigous society. To the rest of the world it seems strange that US court fines for filesharing are so high. I think thats part of American culture – hit them where it hurts financially. Hopefully someone in the US government or courts will see that excessive fines are not really practical. You can’t pay a huge fine if you don’t have the money. He was living at home with his parents and he was a student at the time of the original court case. The size of the fine was probably meant to scare all of us filesharers. When I read this article I did think about how I would feel if it was me facing a fine like that. To be honest it is scary but I believe filesharing is a great way for less-well-off people to have access to a huge variety of things that they wouldn’t normally be able to afford especially software and educational books. I’m not rich and last year was getting up at 4am in the morning to go to work at a manual labouring job cleaning vehicles. At the end of the month I had very little money left after rent and stuff and sometimes had to borrow money to get me to payday. People with good paying jobs (lawyers, superstar musicians, famous actors, film studio executives, judges, etc) have no idea of how hard it is for all the rest of us. Maybe before each court case for filesharing all the lawyers and judges involved should have their pay reduced for three months to the level of a postman or shop assistant and then maybe they’ll understand why these huge fines are ridiculous.

    Here’s the wiki on the court case and details Tenenbaum’s financial and personal situation at the time of his arrest:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_v._Tenenbaum

  • anonymous

    I got the spelling of litigous wrong – should be spelled litigious – hmm!

    • Guest

      That’s OK, we all do typos.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mined Adam Karlsson

    Sad and idiotic. That much for A (1, one) song?! I know people that can do songs for free and distribute them for free on the internet. Greedy corporate bas-terds.

  • Vdubplate2

    If I was that kid I would be running down their halls guns blazing!

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