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Law Firm Asks Alleged File-Sharers To Incriminate Themselves

Lawyers ACS:Law in the UK are now into their second year of threatening alleged pirates with legal action. Since they don’t have a good case when people deny their allegations, for some time now the firm has been sending out questionnaires which allow people to build a case against themselves. As a UK consumer magazine is pointing out, people don’t have to play this game.

ACSAfter sending out thousands of letters to UK Internet users who have allegedly infringed their clients’ rights, lawyers ACS:Law have a couple of cracks appearing in their armor.

Davenport Lyons (DL), the law firm which pioneered the “pay-up-or-else” scheme in the UK, are facing disciplinary proceedings by the Solicitors Regulation Authority on allegations of misconduct. Knowing full well that they cannot make the same mistakes as DL, ACS:Law are trying to be a little more careful in the way they try to force money out of letter recipients.

According to ACS:Law owner Andrew Crossley, his company does not state that the people they send their letters to are guilty of anything, only that their connection has been used to infringe. He also goes on to say that his letters are merely an offer to settle any potential legal case in the future and people aren’t obliged to pay anything.

This is great news. Since Crossley admits he can’t prove the letter recipient has committed any infringement, that same recipient is under no obligation to pay a dime. So it’s all finished there then? Not a chance, ACS:Law don’t give up so easily.

Yesterday consumer magazine Which? reported on the questionnaires being sent out by ACS:Law. The law firm sends these out once people have written to them denying they did anything wrong. All they are designed to do is to enable the letter recipient to incriminate themselves or, in some cases, other people.

The advice from Deborah Prince, Which?’s head of legal affairs, is that people are under no obligation to fill in these questionnaires. These bits of paper simply amount to a fishing trip by a law firm clutching at straws in the face of a recipient who won’t be bullied and won’t pay up.

But these questionnaires aren’t new – ACS:Law have been sending these out for some time. Just after we published consumer group Being Threatened’s guide to dealing with letters from the lawyers back in January, they added a bonus section.

The Speculative Invoicing Handbook Bonus Chapter: Not replying to a questionnaire is available for download here and really shows these questionnaires for what they are.

“If you’ve ‘replied and denied’ and now received a letter from a law firm requesting further information: Congratulations! This kind of mailing demonstrates that at present they don’t have enough information to build a case against you,” explains the guide.

“Your straight denial has left them out in the cold. Now they’re hoping you’ll be kind enough to fabricate a case against yourself (or maybe someone else) on their behalf. Perhaps you’ll be good enough to suggest your own grandmother who surfs eBay for wool supplies when she pops over on Sundays? Maybe your younger brother, or your flatmate? Thankfully you’re not as stupid as they’d believe.”

Yet despite the wealth of information available to anyone with a web browser and a rudimentary grasp of Google, people continue to give ACS:Law money. In the first 11 months of their scheme they collected an amazing £1,000,000 from these letters. How many cases went to court? Zero.

One day people will see this cash cow for what it is and stop feeding it. Hopefully that will be before we see our first flying pig.

Copies of the questionnaire can be found here.

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  • bthaxor

    All I can say is: wow.

  • sUm1

    c(_)nt$!

  • gorehound

    JUst send your letter back with a big F#CK YOU !!!
    And then on getting more letters just press delete.If more come in then sue for harrassment.

  • noko

    I really hope misfortune befalls that wanker.

  • the united hackers association

    grabs punk by hair DID YOU
    DID YOU
    COME ON SAY YES

  • Rabbit80

    I haz the bestest excuse ever… my new router had a guest network function which didn’t work properly. After a firmware upgrade, I found that the guest function was still enabled and creating the guest network – but the settings have dissappeared – meaning I can no longer disable it.. Free WiFi anyone?

  • lolz C

    okay if you’re stupid enough to pay up you deserve it. i remember the days when this kind of scene (warez) was underground, now it’s all over the place, and being that the majority of people on this planet are idiots it does not surprise me that they have made 1mil euro. Being that they are a shitty company with shitty practices they are still getting idiots to pay them money just by pointing the finger at them. They are taking advantage of the idiots and i do not feel sorry for them. The scene needs to go back underground but that is not going to happen with the current trend. So ehh whatever, ignorance is bliss, keep paying up, you deserve it.

  • Jay

    Heh, a flying pig.

  • Pete

    I wonder what the questions on the questionnaire are? perhaps they are not obvious that they are incriminating you…

    Ie maybe they ask questions under the guise of:

    Do you ever download music online? If yes please select from the following options:
    1) Itunes store/other legitimate store
    2) LastFM
    4) Other

    Just a theory…

    Pete

  • LiteHacker

    If this trend continues and people learn that they can choose not to pay, we will see an increase in resistance to any type of litigations targeted at common citizens.

  • duane

    For all the sound and fury coming from the Lords about ACS:LAW being an extortion racket, it seems damningly obvious now how ineffective our governments are at actually doing anything to protect the public.

    But at the same time, they found the time to pass the Digital Economy Thing!

  • Whatever

    Couldn’t the questionaire fall in one of the following catagories:

    1. Shouldn’t people send a bill for taking up your time receiving / viewing the questionaire. A very long ago i saw something on TV about Americans fed up with telemarketeers calling all the time. They asked the telemarketeers their company details when receiving such a call to send them a $100 bill (well it was a long time ago so it must be much more now).

    2. Its spam, and can be reported to the proper snail mail spam authorities.

    3. Misuse of wrongly collected personal data for commercial purposes ?

    4. Food for the neomind duo. (ok, this one is not very usefull)

    Preference to option 1 as they will lose the gained money fast.

  • anonymous

    people dont seem to learn anything about governments. the members are only interested in what is going to make them richer and their lives better, whilst costing them virtually nothing! as stated above, the Lords in UK slated ACS:LAW, but did nowhere enough or anywhere near what it could have to stop their bullying tactics, yet somehow managed to ignore all the complaints and concerns from the public and allowed the DEB into law! bunch of over paid arseholes that just want to appear as if they care and are doing something to warrant the positions they are in!

  • Barse

    You can always make money from stupid people. I don’t understand why people are so gullible. Is there a gullibility gene?

  • Anonymous

    Ahh reminds me of the good old days. Are you a nazi, or do you know any one who is .. tell us now.

  • zapps

    A million pounds?

    Maybe I should send some infringement emails out myself! Down some popular torrents off TPB, grab some uTorrent peer IPs and spam via the ISPs, easy.

    Hell, maybe we should ALL do it?

  • yeah ok then

    just more sh-t mail that comes threw your door .tell you what sh-t on it and send it back to them saying youv sent me your sh-t so theres some of mine .problem solved

  • yeah ok then

    or collect as many as you can get build a fire send smoke signals and see if the indians want to share their dvds or if mosses whants to add his bob geldoff cds

  • C

    “Well, it could have been that ACS:Law lawyer who tried to connect to my router. I suggest you can all go sc-, er, ‘sue’ yourselves.”

  • Soundwave

    I would send them a handful of the most gruesome photos that can be found on the internet, with a bit of shit smeared on it, just for added sensory effect.

  • Lucky Man

    very simply tip: if u see that kind of questionaire something like that simple click your homepage button on your webpage to skip/ignore it. i repeatedly do not submit questions or just surf somewhere else.

  • inet

    @9 May 26, 2010 at 14:43 by Pete

    Questionare “do you download popular movies before they are released on dvd?

    Do you use a web browser?

    Have you ever visited a website?

    Have you ever visited youtube?

    Have you heard of file sharing?

    (answer any of these questions and you can be sued for infringing copywrong.

  • Phoenix

    omg these guys are really smart, or really stupid !

  • me

    Why do people feel compelled to write back to those Law firms at all (even if it’s only denying)? If they had a case, they would have sued already… Replying to them is just as silly as barking back when a dog barks at you.

  • omfg

    who would actually do that ? if they send me any legal mambo jambo ( which is most likely not going to happen in austria ) i would never ever sign anything without a laywer ..

  • mack

    so if i pay them, they cant sue me ever?

  • StopTheMadness

    “Dear ACSLaw:
    None of your damned business. Privacy, heard of it?
    Signed,
    Humanity United Against Pigopolist Fascism (HUAPF)”

  • Pete

    @22 May 26, 2010 at 16:42 by inet

    yes thats kind of what I mean, they could ask innocent questions that when put together create a more infringing position, like a jigsaw piece. Independently the questions might not mean anything but together they can implicate you file share.

    Anyhow, it would have been nice if the article had managed to get a copy of the questionnaire so that we could see exactly what is being asked.

    pete

  • micoz

    they must fill they time by beating few kitties to death instead this…what i can say more? how stupid they are? this stupid!

  • Anonymous

    cant one just fill them in to say the boss of the law firm was visiting u, and he must be the one infringing, or better yet, them worthless mps who voted thru DEB

  • stuffem
  • jeremie

    sends back a letter with dragon porne in it xD

  • Anonymous

    Umm, for all those asking for the questionaire it’s at the end of the article at the link….and it’s all stupid questions.

  • A non y mou se

    Ignore ACS Law they are scum, money grabbing scum.

    Andrew Crossley, you are SCUM.

  • :(

    What do they actually class file sharing as anyway? I’m curious.

    Torrents / limewire or http aswell?

  • mark

    Unfortunatly in Germany, hard evidence is not needed. If a big Righholder says he has logged your ip address. You have to prove you are innocent.

    And even if you can prove that you were on a vacation trip. They convict you to pay damages, because you may not have secured your WLAN enough.

  • truth

    WoW, what a questionnaire

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  • Anonymous

    http://acsbore.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/fishing-questionnaire1.pdf

    copy of the parody fishing questionnaire from the page linked IN THE ARTICLE.

  • Kiwi

    Never underestimate the stupid.

    I bet there is a mull faced moron filling that in right now.

  • crod

    Refer them to the reply in Arkell vs Pressdram

  • Alrock
  • G. David

    This is a message for the industry, their shills, lackeys, and thugs, of which I’m aware troll sites like this.

    Let’s review:

    DRM and other viruses – What a way to encourage customer loyalty…NOT!! Since the Sony virus CD attack, I have declared a complete and total boycott of ALL Sony products. Not a thing with a Sony label on it is allowed in my home, and never will be again. The same goes for EA, Valve, Apple and Microsoft. Circulating malware loses them a customer permenantly. Anyone else want to share their fate?

    Harassment of customers – Bankrupt people can’t buy your overpriced product. Threatened people don’t want to. People feeling robbed damn sure don’t to. Attacking the customer base = very bad idea. It’s too bad for you that you refuse to negotiate instead of bullying.

    Interference with goverments of soverign nations – There’s only two words that can define that: Terrorism, and treason. Really begging for a bullet, aren’t you?

    Harassing the military – Let me remind you, the military has big guns, big tanks, big missiles, the keys to big nukes, and they know how to use them. Do you have a deathwish, or what?

    What the hell makes you think heavyhanded tactics are going to work? Is that the result of brain damage incurred from too much cocaine use?

    Quite frankly, you earned the disgust and scorn you have recieved. In my estimate, the labels are merely soulless vermin driven only by greed, and an enemy of all mankind.
    As for the artists you claim to protect, I can only feel pity for those that foolishly continue to support you. After all it’s well known you don’t really support them.

  • Lostman

    You should have no problems if you’re a Mac user… They only ask about PC’s! :P

  • Whatever

    Looked at the questionaire now (via #41).

    “The form MUST …”
    Wouldn’t that have consequences as entrapment ?

    “Are you willing to submit the computers in your household for forensic analysis ? ”

    Sure we’ll let them mess with all the computers in the household. LOL

    By the way, does that include servers, dreambox, NAS devices, Microcontrollers, car computers, mp3/xvid players ?

    “Signed…Date….”

    If it looks obviously like a trap, then it is a trap. Way too obvious.

    They also seem to target large families as they seem to want to know the information of 6 people and children ofcourse, how about:
    ‘Name: Andrew (Age 1) Admitted YES/NO: . Comment: not sure, cant understand him yet.’

    Too bad you probably need to waste a stamp and an envelope on it otherwise if everyone in UK start copying this form and flooding them with bogus admissions of non-existent people they can’t catch anyone stupid enough to fill in the form.

  • Surys

    Obviously… we say:

    1. “Many of my friends have access to my connection (5+ per day usually, among about 50 people per week in total)”

    2. “I will not provide a list of my friends without a court order as it would be disrespectful of their right to privacy. Furthermore, I will not respond to any further correspondance from ACS:Law until a court order has been provided.”

    3. “If a court order is provided I intend to obtain a court order against ACS:Law and any 3rd parties involved in this case under Civil Procedure Rules to demand the disclosure of all data held pertaining to my case. This would be a pre-litigation request, requiring you to provide this information at cost to yourselves.”

    They may send further letters but you are under no obligation to reply or provide information without a court order and they now face the possibility that such a court order could lead to time-consuming and costly work just to proceed with a case that may well fail the test of the courts.

    Peace!!

  • Anonymous

    oh noes lamo

  • kuru

    it fulfills me with faith in humanity to read and know how many money-whores are on one side, and how much nobrains on the other.
    nothing more nedded to say…

  • Brandon

    The best thing to do is to totally ignore them. Don’t reply or send them anything. Funny thing to do would be write back and say I will NOT tell you anything unless you give me complete immunity. That should shut them up…

  • sUm1

    greedy a$$ mutha fu(@z hope you rott in hell..

  • dfdf


    Is piratebay down for anyone
    ———————

  • hg

    If that was sent to me, It would go straight to the recycle bin.

  • Anonymous

    Torrentfreak should send them a questionnaire.

    1. Have you ever sued for infringement and won?
    2. Do you know what extortion is?
    3. Would you allow your tax records to be examined?
    4. What is the legal definition for infringement?
    5. etc…

  • piratepal

    Simply seal it up and write on the front

    “Return to sender – NO CONTRACT”

    a piece of law that works for us!
    Easy as that – and don’t forget to draw the pirate ship on the envelope.

  • InterWebz

    How the hell is this not a marfia protection scheme? If any other business does something like this well… blackmail etc. But since it’s the giant entertainment industry they must be right.

  • Taylor

    Could you not bill them for the time required to look at the letter and throw it away? Say £100. Or if it inlcudes a return envilope send them all your junk mail (flyers). I’d personaly opt for the money. They are using your time and it should be worth more than whatever the top lawyer makes an hour.

  • C0RR0SIVE

    I love how they state that you MUST fill it out completely and full.

  • Paul UK

    ok using my crystal ball I predict…

    ACS doing a deal with Doorstep debt collection firms with the aim of “interviewing under caution” at the doorstep whomever answers the door at the address of the alleged infringment.

    I myself would obviously tell them to FO, but if I was out???

    I would imagine the stupid berd (er indoors) would gladly discuss all the american shows she watches and how clever she is knowing how utorrent werkz and how the kids mp3 players get stuffed with all that crap that passes for music these days. Geez

  • lol

    Here in the states, you have the right under the 5th amendment to not incriminate yourself. Good luck trying that scheme over here.

  • Aussie

    Dear ACS:Law,

    In regard to your questionaire regarding my internet use, it can be summed up thusly.

    It wasnt me, it was Lord Mandy.

    Regards,

    A Non.

  • G. David

    @58:
    I too live in the states.
    Likely that scam wouldn’t fly here. If they snailmailed it, I would burn it. If they emailed it, I would set a spamkill filter, delete it, and forget it.

    This isn’t as bad as the sanctioned (illegally bribed) spyware and search-and-seisure bullshit the ratfinks want to push on us, but still an irritating attempt at an invasion of privacy.

    :sigh:

  • Spin

    hahaha, i read the ”questionnaire”

    anyone sane would not fill that!

    and as someone said before, is funny that you MUST fill the damn thing.

  • Giwrgos

    omg! its a swarm of flying pigs!!! everybody go to your internets and start download something, anything!
    so what if i secure my wireless with the ssid as pass? does it count as secure to alleviate allegations? :P
    how low will entertainment firms go to make money? its pitiful. so i guess lawyers are not filesharers, or maybe they dont need to…… ;)

  • ALIS

    Why don’t they just send letters to everyone in the UK and ask if they committed any crimes or know someone who has… And if anyones stupid enough to tell them what they’ve done or what someone else has done and sue them…

  • Anon

    Maybe everyone should reply with a denial and then forward their letter to an MP explaining this blatant “legal” blackmail and demand something gets done.

    If everyone does, These MP’s will have nothing else to do other than investigate these assholes.

    How it can be possible for a law firm to send out letters like this is anyones guess.

    I might make a song, Copyright it and then jump on any random tracker, hoover up UK IP addresses and start mailing these people.

    Infact, How on earth they got a judge to allow them to get the addresses of these people is beyond belief.

  • Anon

    Maybe everyone should reply with a denial and then forward their letter to an MP explaining this blatant “legal” blackmail and demand something gets done.

    If everyone does, These MP’s will have nothing else to do other than investigate these assholes.

    How it can be possible for a law firm to send out letters like this is anyones guess.

    I might make a song, Copyright it and then jump on any random tracker, hoover up UK IP addresses and start mailing these people.

    Infact, How on earth they got a judge to allow them to get the addresses of these people is beyond belief.

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  • TheLaughingParsnip

    Haha my m8 got a letter from these clowns and he wrote back saying he was a 50+ year old widower rofl. Heard nothing since!

  • Surys

    Please can someone provide the Free-Mail / Business Response ID that ACS:Law are using (if they are using one for these questionnaires).

    We can start a campaign of sending bricks, breezeblocks and other random heavy crap to them. Packaged up with a business reponse ID on top so they have to pay for it.

  • Whatever

    @67 “Free-Mail / Business Response ID”: So that’s how its called in English.

    Their address is at the top of the form where it says “you MUST fill in this…”

    I doubt it is for free… Just had a thought though, like in the ‘old’ days if you don’t put a return address on it they have to pay for the stamp anyway. Even better make the return address one of their clients…

    During typing the following idea developed: FLOODING them with mail without stamps and as return sender their clients in your area or that Mandy MP (someone has to pay for the stamp).

    Would that work ?

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  • me

    #65 Anon: “Maybe everyone should reply with a denial and then forward their letter to an MP explaining this blatant “legal” blackmail and demand something gets done.”

    An MP? *lol*. How charmingly naive…

    Those corporatist clowns in Parliament collectively invented Copyright (a couple of hundred years ago, but still…) and shoved it down our throats in the first place, making all this ACS:Law non-sense possible today.

    Writing your MP on copyright-related abuses is like asking the executioner to please not kill you. It’s an utter waste of time: they’ll never listen to us, they listen to those with the biggest bribes.

  • swampthing81

    I’m going to try this in here in the united states we have a lot of stupid people here that are scared of everything I could probubly double thoes figures

  • swampthing81

    I’m going to try this in here in the united states we have a lot of stupid people here that are scared of everything I could probubly double thoes figures

  • Happy

    Just wrap up a brick and send it without postage to ACS:LAW

    They have to pay the postal charges before seeing what the item is LOL

  • Deville

    Wow, 1M £. I’m going to found a law firm and the only thing i’ll do is sending out blackmails. :D

  • in.cog.nito

    anyone who receives this should wipe their ass with it, and send it back certified mail.

  • Jeff

    If I received one of these questionnaires, I would respond to every question with “f*ck off, wankers”

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