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Leaked MPAA Memo Reveals TV-Shack Press Strategy

A leaked “memo” from the MPAA shows how movie industry insiders are being briefed to respond in media interviews on the extradition case of TV-Shack admin Richard O’Dwyer. In the talking points the MPAA describes the UK student as a deliberate criminal while mocking his wardrobe. Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales, who launched a petition to stop the extradition, is called out as “presumptuous” by the movie industry group.

Last year Richard O’Dwyer was arrested by police for operating TVShack, a website that listed user-submitted link to TV-shows.

The UK student has since fought a looming extradition to the US, but thus far without success. In March, Home Secretary Theresa May officially approved the extradition request from US authorities.

In June the case was once again brought to the attention of the mainstream press when Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales launched a petition to stop the extradition. According to Wales, Richard O’Dwyer is a victim of the entertainment industry’s attempt to censor and control the Internet.

The MPAA were not amused with the campaign and behind the scenes began to brief movie industry insiders on how to respond. In a leaked memo obtained by TorrentFreak we see how the group lists “basic talking points” and background on the case for “reporter briefing.”

The memo starts by framing TV-Shack as a pirate website through which O’Dwyer made a healthy profit.

“Richard O’Dwyer created TVShack.net, offering thousands of stolen movies and other pirated content to viewers in violation of both U.S. and U.K. law. In fact, O’Dwyer actively advertised the amount of money users would save by illegally streaming content via TVShack rather than by acquiring it legitimately. At the same time, he profited handsomely from advertizing on the site.”

The claim of O’Dwyer supporters that Internet freedom is at stake is nonsense according to the MPAA.

“This case isn’t about Internet freedom. It’s about a man profiting from theft. However, we do welcome a larger discussion about how best to protect intellectual property online while ensuring an Internet that works for everyone.”

Taking it a step further, the MPAA claims that the movie industry is one of the main beneficiaries of “freedom of speech and expression,” which copyright law helps to protect.

“Copyright law is a tool to protect the work of creators and makers, not censorship. The motion picture industry wouldn’t exist without freedom of speech and expression, which have been among our ‘time-honored’ core values for over a hundred years.”

The memo then discusses some background on the case, with a fictitious Q&A with a reporter. The first question asks for a response to the Jimmy Wales petition, and the answer is clear.

“We think it’s presumptuous of Mr. Wales to claim to speak for the ‘general public.’ That’s because the ‘general public’ includes the hundreds of thousands of creators and makers who create and make the compelling entertainment and content that virtually all of us enjoy on a daily basis. Their hard work deserves to be protected.”

“We don’t believe in unlimited copyright, as Mr. Wales suggests. We do believe, deeply, that our values don’t change just because technology improves. And that people’s values don’t change whether we are online or off.”

The memo then goes on to describe how the TV-Shack website worked and what O’Dwyer’s role was. The MPAA sees O’Dwyer as more than just a middleman, mentions how he continued after ICE seized the domain name, and points out that the operator of a similar website was recently convicted in the UK.

“O’Dwyer was not a mere ‘middleman.’ He knowingly set up a site with the purpose of acting as a clearinghouse for infringing content – he advertised his site as a place to find movies that were still in theatres and in-season tv shows. He profited heavily from this activity. To call him a ‘middleman’ suggests a lack of involvement in the illegal activity, which is simply not the case.”

Finally, the MPAA writes that the TV-Shack admin is not just “a regular college student who likes playing with computers.” Despite wearing a Mickey Mouse sweatshirt, he is fully responsible for his actions.

“Being 24, posing for newspaper photo shoots in a cartoon sweatshirt, and having your mother and Jimmy Wales speak for you, does not mean you are incapable for breaking the law.”

While the memo doesn’t include any shocking revelations it’s intriguing to see how carefully the MPAA briefs its friends. The full memo with some extra details is embedded below.

Meanwhile, Jimmy Wales’ petition to stop the extradition is nearing a quarter million signers.


The ‘Memo”

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  • http://www.ddlvalley.eu/ Ferlo

    LOL @ wearing Cartoon

    • Guest

      I hate MAFIAA more and more…

    • loon

      I have a mickey mouse cartoon tattooed on my chest

  • http://www.ddlvalley.eu/ Ferlo

    LOL @ wearing Cartoon will make him incapable Screw MPAA
     

    • Anonymous

      whats this ‘wearing cartoon’ bullshit you speak of?

      • John Spartan

        You likely didnt read article and just commented right away??
        Whats the point in you coming here? just to troll?

        From the Article:
        “Being 24, posing for newspaper photo shoots in a cartoon sweatshirt, and having your mother and Jimmy Wales speak for you, does not mean you are incapable for breaking the law”

        • Guest

          Hardly trolling when he has more likes than you. Says a lot actually.

        • http://twitter.com/explodingwalrus Carl Draper

           Actually, “Guest” he now has more likes than you :P

        • Guest

          So now we are counting likes? Imbeciles.

        • Anonymous

          Still doesn’t answer what teh fuck a “wearing cartoon” is!

          Learn some grammar please.

    • http://cheapassfiction.com/ Aelius Blythe

      LOL at  having Jimmy Wales speak for you doesn’t make you incapable…
       Because we all know that Jimmy Wales routinely speaks up random students, so his opinion is obviously worthless.  
      And how much of a petty jerk do you have to be to make fun of a guy for his shirt?  Well, I guess for the MPAA that’s a step DOWN in bullying tactics. 

      I for one love the shirt :-)  Man walks down the street in that shirt, people know he’s not afraid of ANYTHING.

      • http://twitter.com/todiwan Odin the Allfather

         MAFIAA’s tactics have been intimidation and bullying for a very long time. It should not come as a surprise to anyone.

        • http://www.facebook.com/egnyquist Erik G. Nyquist

          It’s fairly typical behavior for a collaboration of lawyers and privileged plutarchs who believe themselves to be emperors of their own little worlds.   

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    “MPAA claims that the movie industry is one of the main beneficiaries of “freedom of speech and expression,” which copyright law helps to protect.”
    o rly? -_-

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Yeah, that has to be the worst lie in history. 99% of movies are derivative of previous movies, as you can see by the remakes of things like Total Recall.

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/RKKPBJMHI22ZE7BO2BHOFA3TMM Volker

        It’s more the second try to make a movie out of Philip K. Dicks short story, the
        first time they raped and total fucked up the story, like usualy and they did the
        same with all the other Dick film adaptations, except maybe “A Scanner Darkly”
        but for my taste this movie was too experimental.

        • Cunty

          Agreed – don’t forget the PKD original.

          However… by the looks of it, this is a re-imagining of the previous movie.

          But wtf you on about – Scanner Darkly is great! An almost perfect adaptation… which in classic Hollywood style lost money at the box office… :(

        • Spagett

          Now, now. Bladerunner’s Director’s Cut is one of my favorite movies.

    • Penguin

       Of course they are they are the only ones allowed to. That’s why they pay politicians so much.

      • http://www.facebook.com/egnyquist Erik G. Nyquist

        They are not just using copyright law to protect their own rights, they’re also using it to gain an unfair competitive advantage.  And the biggest threat to their previously-lucrative system is a free and open internet, where people can create, share, and discuss media without limitation.   It’s hard to take your cut when people handle both production and distribution independent of a big company.  

  • Guest

    Of course they don’t believe in unlimited copyright. Forever minus a day is less than unlimited, amirite?

    • Neil.

       No, infinity minus 1 is still infinity.

      • blue_bomber

        He’s referring to Mary Bono’s and Jack Valenti’s suggestion that Congress extend copyright be perpetual while having the appearance of being limited. Of course, it’s a ridiculous suggestion, for exactly the reason you state.

    • Violated0

      Unlimited was a very carefully chosen word for them when it does not indicate what aspect they want limited. You only assume time but they did not use the “eternal” word. So they can just switch around what they want limited as the political aspect changes.

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  • SexyStatikk

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  • Goosmoo

    Of all the copyrighted videos I watch, most are at youtube.  Quick load time, often good resolution, no commercials, great search engine, and free.  It’s funny how sites like youtube can host probably hundreds of thousands of copyrighted videos, but the mpaa instead goes after a young student. The reason is clear:  a student doesn’t have the money google has, so a defense will be more difficult.  Great job picking on the little guy, mpaa.  We’re proud of you!  In the meantime, I’ll continue watching COPYRIGHTED videos on youtube since you don’t bother going after google.  Cheers!

    • Anyone

      too bad youtube censors like crazy :/

      • djnforce9

        At one point you COULD find full blown movies but those now get stripped out very quickly. Youtube wouldn’t even be very popular had it not been for those roots. It’s why other video streaming services remain in obscurity.

      • Goosmoo

        It’s a gold mine for documentaries, which is what I enjoy watching.

        • Goosmoo

          And yes I realize the mpaa and documentaries normally don’t go together.  My point is that there are hundreds of thousands (at least, is my guess) of copyrighted videos, including many full-blown movies I have watched and not just trailers, and the mpaa goes after a college kid.  Is that the only type of case they can win?

  • qitian

    tinyurl.com/cyk9xz2

  • Guest

    Is there still any doubt left that MPAA is a criminal organization and the movie business is just a front?

    • djnforce9

      Nope. I wouldn’t be surprised if half the stuff they do behind closed doors is way more horrifying than a mere site linking to TV shows could possibly be (most of which are probably not even available through legal means). They don’t protect content creators. Just their own pockets (hence any money won through litigation goes directly to fund anti-piracy campaigns). 

      In short, they are scum!

      • chronoss chiron

        ya mean besides the rape , incest , alcolohic drug induced parties for the rich?

        thats not the half of it….

    • Hilltopsandwichmachine

      odwyer made $230,000…fuck em’. I don’t care what happens to em.

      • Fredrika

        > “odwyer made $230,000…”

        There’s nothing wrong with a UK citizen making money legally according to UK law, on UK soil, from an according to UK law fully legal site that offers links that are fully legal according to UK law.

      • Anyone

        actually, the MAFIAA claims he made $230k, I don’t think there is any proof for that number
        besides, that’s how capitalism works, he offered a service people liked (a site with links), he got money for that, why is that wrong?

  • tao54nyc

    Meantime I’ll keep torrenting episodes of my preferred shows when I’m unable to be there at the time of original broadcast. My content, my way. Give me that model at a reasonable cost, and I’m a customer. Otherwise, piss off. Downloads Unto Death.

    • Anyone

      don’t become a customer until they stop buying politicians
      until then only buy non-MAFIAA content, pirate the rest

  • Dwdoyle1

    lol. the MPAA needs better spin doctors.

    • chronoss chiron

      they cant find any ….all the creative people moved to mars

  • Anonymous

    the industries will do anything, say anything that they think will back up the action they are taking against O’Dwyer. they know what they are doing is wrong, just as they know the accusation is wrong. the guy that was convicted in the UK was for different reasons. they also know that. they cannot compete in the free market without having extra help from new laws introduced by bribed politicians. artists may well be able to but the industries cant. they are so stuck in their ways of being in control, dictating what is gonna happen, when and how, they are not capable. if they were, instead of wasting money continuously on ‘stopping piracy’, they would have spent it on a more suitable business strategy. tell me one other thing that once bought, isn’t then owned and cant be sold on without something else having to be bought by the new owner to make the item work. sell a car to someone, do they then have to get permission and a new key from Ford to drive it? of course not!

  • Guest

    US Judge: Embedding Infringing Videos Is Not Copyright Infringement http://bit.ly/ONm39r

    MPAA Suffers Legal Setback in Big Copyright Decision. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/mpaa-copyright-decision-lawsuit-358231

    • Andrew me

      This makes no difference to the MPAA, they ignore laws that give anyone control over  content they have purchased … they are losing as more and more people realize it is the artists the studios are ripping of and not the pirates.

      They have been repeatedly asked by various organizations and governments  to provide an effective method to distribute videos and they still refuse to give people what they want.

      They want to use DRM which nobody believes in other than them

      They want to charge crazy prices which people cannot afford to pay.

      They want ridiculous windows that only encourage people to pirate as they hear about others opinions of content that could take up to a year, if ever to be released in there country.

      Any service that i have heard about that sells content supplies very poor quality compared to what pirates are already getting.

      If an industry is so hell bent on destroying themselves i say let them do it.

      But what i strongly oppose is how they are going after a person who has already had his site declared legal in the country in which he was born and resides.This is where i feel they need a little reminder as to the power of the internet, where everyone can rise up and use every means possible to show them that they are outnumbered and have very little power.

      • chronoss chiron

        wa wa go do something about it

        • Guest

           If he pirates, he is doing something about it.

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

      It depends on the level of accessory/conspiracy to commit copyright infringement.

      If you would take the Pirate Bay site and scale it down to a handful of torrents, they would not be taken to court. But if you have a site with thousands of links, easily searchable, and can prove that the intent is to commit accessory/conspiracy to copyright infringement, you may end up in court and in jail like in the TPB case. If you do it for money – using ads – the level of intent is strengthened and hence also the punishment.

      It’s actually that simple!

      • Anyone

        “But if you have a site with thousands of links, easily searchable”
        you mean Google?

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          Seems like you’re totally ignorant of the fact that Google conforms to DMCA and removes infringing links to piracy sites on request.

          They currently remove more than one million infringing search results per week. One single week 15 000 links to the Pirate Bay were removed.

          http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/copyright/

        • Anyone

          @nejtillpirater:disqus
          and yet I still find everything I could ever want on Google

          the MAFIAA is fighting a losing battle and are prepared to ruin the life of this poor kid (like they have already done in the past)

      • Guest

        @nejtillpirater:disqus 
        “It depends on the level of accessory/conspiracy to commit copyright infringement.”

        Not it doesn’t. Go read Judge Posner’s fucking ruling. 

        “Seems like you’re totally ignorant of the fact that Google conforms to DMCA and removes infringing links to piracy sites on request”

        It seems like you’re totally ignorant of the fact that MegaUpload conformed to the DMCA and removed infringing files on request. DMCA compliance is worth jack shit, however. The only reason why the MAFIAA doesn’t try to destroy Google in court is because Google could actually fight back. 

        • Anyone

          they are learning that lesson from Dotcom as well ;)

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          “Not it doesn’t. Go read Judge Posner’s fucking ruling.”

          I disagree.

          “It seems like you’re totally ignorant of the fact that MegaUpload conformed to the DMCA and removed infringing files on request.”

          No they didn’t, it was just a facade. Seen a lot of those. It’s like adding a faked moderation of copyrighted files on TPB but not acting on requests.

        • Anyone

          @nejtillpirater:disqus
          MU not responding to DMCA takedowns of course explains why they had such a small share of infringing links among the filehosters (I assume you remember that article)

          I once again would like to see some proof that they did not respond to takedowns or didn’t grant direct delete access to mediaholders

        • Guest

          “I disagree.”

          That doesn’t matter. Judge Posner’s legal ruling > Nejtillpirater’s opinion. 

          “No they didn’t, it was just a facade. “

          I hate to break this to you, but the people who claimed that MU’s DMCA complience was just a facade? They orchestrated a grossly illegal raid on foreign soil upon which they had no jusidiction, and have spent their time since then lying and bullshitting about why they can’t return the property they stole as their case implodes around them. So excuse me if I don’t  believe a single word those motherfucking criminals say.

          I will regard every claim that MegaUpload wasn’t complying with DMCA takedowns as fiction until there is evidence otherwise. I’m sorry for requiring proof, there must be something deeply wrong with me. 

  • Guest

    “At the same time, he profited handsomely from advertizing on the site.”

    Making money from advertising is not an offence but I guess in the eyes of the MPAA all this money that was made from the adverts on the site should be given to them. So who would be a criminal then.

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

      Making money from advertsing is not a crime per se. But doing it in combination with “Conspiracy to Commit Copyright Infringement and Criminal Infringement of Copyright” makes the level of intent significantly higher.

      • Iseemtobelost

         Trolling the 7 seas yet again.  I gather you ride to work in a horse and buggy and once again spout stuff that is not law. Nice try though.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          I’m discussing the issues of the article. It’s seems like you’re the troll.

      • Anyone

        again, that isn’t a crime in the UK

        so why do you support getting this poor kid extradited to the US that he never stepped foot on before where he can’t face a fair trial?

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          Seems like he “stepped foot on” the US when he committed his crimes. 

        • Anyone

          @nejtillpirater:disqus
          you have a strange understanding of borders

          also, according to UK law he didn’t commit any crimes
          so again, why should he be extradited?

        • Guest

          @nejtillpirater:disqus “Seems like he stepped foot on the US when he committed his crimes”

          This is NO prove that he stepped on US soil. He has never stepped on US soil and not only that the hosted server that this guy used was not on the US and therefore the server does not come under US jurisdiction.

          So if the server hosted was never on US soil (unlike Megaupload which hosted servers on US soil) then he has not committed a crime under US jurisdiction.

      • Guest

        You’re not discussing the issues of the article. You’re making up non-existent legal rules.

        Again, my dear little troll, go read Judge Posner’s ruling.  Oh wait. It contradicts your delusions, so you’ll just ignore it. Never mind.

    • chronoss chiron

      its considered revenue in many nations …..dont try this its dead issue.

    • Julia Odwyer

       Most of it went back into the US economy anyway movies 4 x a week with his mates buying mickey mouse T shirts from US etc!

      • Guest

        I was defending Richard O’Dwyer because making money from advertising is not an offence but the guys of the MPAA would no doubt in there eyes think that this money from advertising was for payment of the films and that this payment for the films (which it is not due to it being from advertising) should be theirs. This guy did not profit from the films which he only linked to which we now know not to be an offence.

        The guys at the MPAA should be wearing Mickey Mouse T-shirts for the way that they have brought about this case which should not have been brought about.

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  • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD

    The only reason that a similar memo regarding Kim Dotcom is not leaked is because it is NC-17 I guess.

    • Leekee

      No.  The memo on Kim was so FAT it plugged the leak. 

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  • Liberty

    “This case isn’t about Internet freedom. It’s about a man profiting from theft”

    Okay,  so as long as there’s no profiting involved then by your own implication,  that’ll be kosha

    “Copyright law is a tool to protect the work of creators and makers, not censorship”

    If copyright can be seen as a tool to protect works of a small minority of the public,  then i guess it would be hypocritical for someone to suggest that the internet is not a tool for freedom

    “We think it’s presumptuous of Mr. Wales to claim to speak for the ‘general public”

    Hahaha,  that made me laugh,  I think its presumptuous of YOU, to claim, to speak for the ‘general public’

    You know the saying,  the more you push the higher my resolve.

    Thankyou for constantly reminding us that copyright is more important then “freedom”, thankyou for ingraining in my brain,  what complete and utter selfish money grabing individuals run our multimillion corporations,  with all the resources that, that implies.  “Multimillion corporation” resources which is  used against an individual, an individual with “multi-pocket change” resource at his disposal,  thankyou for trying to explain the fairness in all of that

    Camp Freedom,  Tampa Bay,  August -  International support here,  good luck to the guys and gals attending,  your the true patriots to your country, 

     

    • Guest

      Its already been ruled very recently by Judge Posner that Embedding Infringing Videos Is Not Copyright Infringement, And Neither Is Watching Them “(3). His bypassing Flava’s pay wall by
      viewing the uploaded copy is equivalent to stealing
      a copyrighted book from a bookstore and reading it.
      That is a bad thing to do (in either case) but it is not
      copyright infringement.” “Flava contends that by providing a connection to
      websites that contain illegal copies of its copyrighted
      videos, myVidster is encouraging its subscribers to circumvent
      Flava’s pay wall, thus reducing Flava’s income.
      No doubt. But unless those visitors copy the videos
      they are viewing on the infringers’ websites, myVidster
      isn’t increasing the amount of infringement…. An employee of Flava who embezzled corporate
      funds would be doing the same thing—reducing Flava’s
      income—but would not be infringing Flava’s copyrights
      by doing so. myVidster displays names and addresses
      (that’s what the thumbnails are, in effect) of videos
      hosted elsewhere on the Internet that may or may not be
      copyrighted. Someone who uses one of those addresses
      to bypass Flava’s pay wall and watch a copyrighted
      video for free is no more a copyright infringer than if
      he had snuck into a movie theater and watched a copyrighted
      movie without buying a ticket. The facilitator
      of conduct that doesn’t infringe copyright is not a contributory
      infringer.”
      As long as you don’t sell the copyright movie or download the copyright movie then it is not theft of copyright and therefore as it is not theft of copyright you therefore cannot profit.

    • chronoss chiron

      no its about overly strick copyright that should not exist beyond 5-10 years

      anything else is rape of the public and economic terrorism

  • Iseemtobelost

    There is not one statement in that release that is not a lie. 

    • Guest

      Quelle surprise LOL

    • chronoss chiron

      well they spelled there organization right

    • Wormlore

      “Being 24, posing for newspaper photo shoots in a cartoon sweatshirt, and having your mother and Jimmy Wales speak for you, does not mean you are incapable for breaking the law.”
      Well, that is not a lie.
      But that doesn’t mean he did break the law either.
      So it’s not a lie. It’s just pointless in the present case. XD

  • PirateSoldier

    Just typical the U.K bending over for the U.S. I would love the mpaa etc trying this with the russians

  • Guest

    He made money from something perceived to be illegal after leasing a domain from ICANN and an IP address from IANA. ICANN is mandated by the Department of Commerce, IANA was founded by the US government mandated by the Department of Defense.

    He used a system owned and controlled by a single super power whose intention is to police, restrict freedom and maintain control. He gave the enemy jurisdiction and right to pursue him, stupidity is universal. There are so many more injustices out there more worthy than this, lets leave the fatcat pirate profiting from others work to his fate and support those that deserve it instead.

    • chronoss chiron

      so your saying if hed not have used a domain name and jsut kept it at ip address stuff your ok …frakin loon , this is the crap that allows them to continue to rape and pillage all of us a bunch a twit for brained ideas out of the mind of a 5 year old

      • Guest

        Yes. What else would these a-holes use in court to prove a case?
        They seized two domains from US soil. Federal Courts granted the warrants.
        In they eyes US control = US assets = Bend over bitchola.
        Open yourself to them and it shall rain many cocks that day and free trips to America, land of Britney Spears and $3 hookers.

        Do not use anything in enemy control. Do not leave an identify trail. Do not leave a money trail. Things are wrong but dont make easy.

  • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

    Seems wise to present information regarding the nature of his crimes. There is so much misinformation around.

    Very similar to the Pirate Bay case, accessory to copyright infringement, which is a crime in Sweden and probably in most civilized countries.

    • Anyone

      funnily enough it is not a crime in the UK

      yet the US still want to extradite him.
      I’d say as a next step we extradite all american women who drive cars, have sex outside of wedlock, don’t cover their faces, etc. to Saudi-Arabia, that makes just as much sense as this case right here.

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        You don’t extradite people for minor charges according to the extradition treaties between countries.

        • Anyone

          yes, that’s why they had to invent the “racketeering” charges for Dotcom

          but still, you didn’t argue against my point
          O’Dwyer didn’t break any laws in the UK, he has never been to the US, why should the US have jurisdiction?

          the US have their laws, as does Saudi Arabia
          if you visit the country, you obey those laws. if you don’t visit the country you ignore those laws.

          but it just shows once again what money can buy in politics, it’s about time the criminal organizations like MPAA and RIAA are disbanded and the heads thrown in jail

        • John Spartan

          Should women in the US be extradited to Saudi Arabia for not wearing enough clothing, voting, or running in politics?
          These women have violated Saudi law… They need answer for their crimes.

        • Fredrika

          I find your signature hilarious considering the fact that you argue with someone who takes political advice from Judge Dredd!! =)

        • Guest

          Then I suggest you read up on the treaty between the US and the UK.

          The US tells the UK we want want want and the UK bends over even when there is only suspicion or no evidence at all. The US has over abused the extradition on more than one occasion and the UK just hands the person over.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          “hould women in the US be extradited to Saudi Arabia for not wearing enough clothing, voting, or running in politics?
          These women have violated Saudi law… They need answer for their crimes.”

          Even if they do violate Saudi law in the US, this has no effect on Saudi Arabia.

          Crimes done using the internet can however have an effect in another country, for copyright infringement as well as for DDOS attacks (examples).

        • Anyone

          @nejtillpirater:disqus
          of course it has an effect on Saudi Arabia
          it provokes God’s wrath!

          that is just as imaginary as the losses the MAFIAA claims come from piracy, so it is basically the same

        • Guest

          @Nejtillpirater:twitter 
          “You don’t extradite people for minor charges according to the extradition treaties between countries.”

          That’s right. Now would you like to explain why Richard O’Dwyer is getting extradited despite being charged with something that is neither an extraditable offense nor a crime?

          Hint: It’s most likely got something to do with the MAFIAA, Theresa May, and a dumptruck full of money. 

        • Guest

          “Crimes done using the internet can however have an effect in another country, for copyright infringement as well as for DDOS attacks (examples).”

          That’s nice. The US still has no jurisdiction over UK citizens.

        • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD

          Yep, you are right. Usually the charges are not minor. Like a child molester or murderer would be extradited from UK… Oh… wait a minute..

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          @SID:disqus 

          “Yep, you are right. Usually the charges are not minor. Like a child molester or murderer would be extradited from UK… Oh… wait a minute..”

          Shoplifting for a certain amount (then called theft in Sweden) can get you to jail. Don’t you think that thousands of shoplifting cases should get you a higher punishment?

          What the persons running TPB and similar torrent sites are doing is the equivalent to helping out millions or even billions of to commit crimes similar to shoplifting/theft, each day! No wonder the TPB guys got jail and it’s likely that at least one of the them will be extradited to Sweden, two of them are already wanted internationally.

        • Guest

          “Shoplifting”

          Has nothing to do with filesharing. Try again.

          The UK is extraditing O’Dywer to the US for comitting a non-extraditable  non-crime, and the US has exactly zero jurisdiction in the matter. The fact that it’s still somehow happening anyway reveals just how corrupt the UK government and Theresa May in particular are. Happily willing to sell out the sovereignty of their own country, happily willing to ignore due process. Why? Call me crazy but I’m guessing it involves political bribery. I see no other possible reason for him to be extradited despite there being no legal basis to extradite him. 

          The UK government, the US government, and May are all massively in the wrong. But you’re desperately trying to change the subject and get all us talking about some irrelevent bullshit like shoplifting instead, because I guess it makes you uncomfortable when corruption is pointed out.

    • Colin Carr

      Slight error in the last sentence of your first paragraph Nejtillpirater.
      It should read, “The Q&A answers most relevant questions in an easily understandable but blatantly dishonest way.”

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        Exactly what is dishonest?

        • Colin Carr

           The implication that because somebody else in another UK court case was found guilty of different charges, that Mr O Dwyer is therefore also guilty. Will that do you for starters?…

  • chronoss chiron

    has any o fyou seen what some of the druits and fairies of hollywood wear ? lets start making fun of holywood people shall we oh its soooo hard ( flips hand like a lil gay actor)

    • Guest

       How about everyone learn to grow up, and A) stop giving a shit what other people wear, B) not sound like a hate mongering bigot, and C) learn spelling and grammar?

  • chronoss chiron

    and remember folks if they are attacking you that means that they have no eral arguements and thats all they can do…..

    its a republilcan conservative trick these gay fruit faggit hollywood drug addicted alcoholic jerk off role models are using to attack people…..

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  • Guest

    This is how things are done in the big leagues.
    There’s too much information, too many things that could go wrong.
    They must keep a consistent lie from the public, truth must always look unrealistic compared to such well crafted lie.

  • Julia Odwyer

    I’m sorry I can’t stop laughing *stolen movies* & “advertised how much money” folks were saving er… just a comment on a forum not an ad! Anyway billy liar springs to mind. Well thanks for all your support for Richard and if you haven’t yet signed that presumptious Jimmy Wales petition here’s the *link* http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/ukhomeoffice-stop-the-extradition-of-richard-o-dwyer-to-the-usa-saverichard

  • Xi_ruler

    Can the concerned citizens over in England put up more of a fight? They better go Occupy-Parliament soon, before one of their own countrymen gets sold down the river — setting a horrible precedent for all UK citizens. Get busy!!

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  • Guest

    Even the MPAA can write up a story about the Walt Disney cartoon classic of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs for young children and make it into a sick grizzly horror movie to put there case across. A person will have to view the whole entire film and then decide from the evidence of what they have seen to see if it is indeed a sick grizzly horror film that the MPAA has written about it or if it is indeed a cartoon classic that will entertain the young children to watch.

    There are 2 sides to every story and the evidence gathered from the MPAA will surely always paint the blackest, villianous, criminalistic case they can (trump up) and they will gather all evidence that paints this picture and sees the defendant in a very bad light and they will NEVER gather or use evidence that will see the defendant in a good light. They will cut perhaps a couple of sentences out of a 2 page email that will look bad for the defendant to use but will leave out the rest of the email and yet if you read the paragraph before and after these 2 sentences and/or the entire email itself then you will see that the 2 sentences they have cut out will look quite innocent in the whole context and this whole innocent context will prove that the defendant is innocent.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

     “We think it’s presumptuous of Mr. Wales to claim to speak for the
    ‘general public.’ That’s because the ‘general public’ includes the
    hundreds of thousands of creators…”

    The truth is that if you ask many creators (not big names who can afford to call the shots with the MAFIAA) they will say that the MAFIAA are the biggest bunch of crooks out and they are still fighting to get royalties or control of their work, ask writer/director Alex Cox (Repo Man) or Bill Nelson , lead and founding member of 70s UK band Bebop Deluxe which took him nigh on 40 years to get ANY royalty payments from EMI not only as a performer but as the creative force of the band.  These are but 2 of a long list of ‘creators’ the MAFIAA has screwed over.

    What strikes me with that meno is the audacity of the MAFIAA to yet again hide behind the ‘creators’. The truth is that they act in their own self interest as middlemen and will screw over creative talent as well as the public.

    Also what strikes me about the meta search engines , and link sites (inc torrent) they complain about. These sites hold no pirated material they point to it. This act is in fact copyright neutral and acts as an invaluable service not only to the public but also the MAFIAA as they identify high probability infringing files for the benefit of the MAFIAA and public alike.

    One identified by Magnet or ed2k link, the user could just as easily add it to a blocklist as download it. P2P is of itself perfectly legal as it is copyright neutral, that aside, with falsely marked or infected files (many planted by anti p2p bodies) and no file clearly marked as infringing, people use link sites to identify the risks. Likewise the MAFIAA can use the same resource to help identify posters.

    A good analogy of the current situation would be living in a country where the authorities have mplemented road speed limits depending on the type of road and current conditions yet did not or could not publicly post the speed limits. To fill this void, 3rd parties produced websites listing speed limits for each road, leaving it upto the user’s judgement. Then rather than the authorities congratulating the webmasters of these sites for the improvement in road safety. they are prosecuted as criminals for the governments lost revenue from speeding fines and the loss of police jobs. The government’s argument being ‘how can we build more roads without the funding of speeding fines.

    No rightminded country would fund road building in such a manner and would not persecute its voters/tax payers in such a manner yet this is exactly the situation we now have with copyright.

    • Guest

      the sooner MegaBox or some other company sets up that will cut out the middle man and make them redundant. Soon enough can’t wait.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

         Word on Megabox leaked long before the public announcement.

        That public announcement and the video Universal tried to suppress were part of the megabox launch campaign which was at that time only a few months away. Certainly Dotcom was going all out to raise awareness prior to a launch so was working to a set timescale.

        The IFPIs own figures in the recently leaked report shows the low levels of infringement on Megaupload that barely registered on the locker infringement pie chart. The IFPIs own figures show DMCA compliance and effective policing. By market share, Mega was by far one of the biggest players in the locker market yet showed one of the lowest infringement levels.

        Those figures and the timing of the raid given the imminent launch of Megabox shows that clearly the Mega case is about an abuse of law to take out a competitor rather than criminal infringement and fraud.

        There are already cases known where the feds have acted based solely on evidence and pressure from the MAFIAA and the authorities end up with egg on their face, not just in the USA but also BREINs activities in Europe.

        All I can assume is that the scale of the MAFIAA bribes must be vast for the authorities to have such short memories they fall for the same tactics time and time again.

    • Guest

      In other words cutting your hands off so that you can then feed yourself lol

  • http://www.peoplesnote.org Don Reba

    I liked the bit about Mickey Mouse shirt freeing one from responsibility for own actions.

    • http://twitter.com/Joycetem1 Joycetem


      goo.gl/8Hiey

    • Guest

      Think the MPAA should wear Goofy T-Shirts lol

    • http://twitter.com/7daykatie katie anderson

      Yeah, we can read between those lines; Mickey Mouse is only an excuse if you’re holding him hostage. 

  • http://twitter.com/Joycetem1 Joycetem

    like Brian explained I am blown away that any body can get paid $4787 in 1 month on the network. have you look this(Click on menu Home)

  • al

    I could have made the MPAA memo with only two words. “JUST LIE”

  • John Doe

    The sad thing is that it has already been stated that he did not break any UK law, and that this extradition is the US trying to pry their law onto everybody else.

    USA. You’re becoming the bad guy. Just thought I’d let you know.

    • JordanKratz

       Fuck You to my US Government.
      They do not Represent all of us the Public’s feelings.
      They do Represent their Corporate Masters

    • Guest

      What is disgusting about this whole affair is that the hosted server of the website was NOT on US soil unlike Megaupload which had several hosted servers on US soil. IF the US are arguing in the Megaupload case that the servers were hosted on US is grounds that the company/persons comes under US law/jurisdiction then the US can’t argue the same grounds because the TVshack hosted server was NOT on US soil.

  • blue_bomber

    Relevant: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/music_industry

    Which model, the MPAA’s or TVShack’s, more closely matches the one in the “where it needs to go from here” frame?

    • Anyone

      that last model is already in effect for some bands, for example Nine Inch Nails or Coldplay or Louis CK (granted, not a musician ;))

      it will become more widespread as more musicians free themselves from the MAFIAA

  • theonlyone

    MPAA is exhibiting typical corporate propaganda machine tactics. Just like MAFFIA bending and skewing the facts and statistics to better their position so as not to look like the criminals they really are.

  • Gupta

    Why don’t you ignore this NejilliPirater idiot, he is crooked, a plant and a spy and they must be paying him per word because he never shuts up. He’s making these boards unreadable. In addition, he’s not bright. Arguing with him is ruining this board for those of us who want to read about how to keep torrenting ok? Please don’t feed him any more he’s killing this board.

  • Wicked_Talon

    dfdddddddddddddddd

  • Mwhahaha

    If he really has to go to jail, why does it have to be 6000 miles from his home? 

    That, Sir, is cruel and unusual punishment.

    I’m so fed up with the UK being America’s bitch. 

    Does this mean any wrong doing online can result in extradition to the US?

    Utterly farcical. 

    I wish the people on the US side would petition their own Gov’t regarding this case.

    • Guest

      Whats disgusting is the fact the web host server did NOT reside on US soil so US can’t argue on the grounds that the hosting servers on US soil constitutes that the person/company comes under US jurisdiction/Law as they are arguing in Megauploads case. So if the web host server did NOT reside on US soil then he does not come under US jurisdiction and therefore cannot breech US laws if he does not come under US jurisdiction.

    • theonlyone

       I think its bullshit too. Our government has over 300 million people enslaved already. Why the fuck do they need to torture and torment other countries citizens. Makes no sense when there are real crimes being committed like pedophilia and larger offenses such as these. They do nothing but oh there is
      Richard O’Dwyer. Hes a big threat huh?

  • Another Juicy Leak :-)

    Ars Technica has a leak of the Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations:

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/08/international-trade-negotiations-reveal-uncertain-future-for-digital-fair-use/

    The US and Australia are trying to minimize fair use, and Vietnam, New Zealand, Malaysia, Brunei and Chile are trying to preserve existing fair use rules.

    Apparently nobody involved has said a word about actually expanding fair use.

  • Guest

    What we need to do is capture Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, Carie Sherman, the 7 presidents of the 7 corporations of entertainment parasites and ex-trade them to North Korea where there is no freedom no human right and no constitution. I am sure they will be more at home in there. I am sorry but the occidental world in general and the US in particular is our not their and the US constitution is not for the corporate pigs to shred in the name of profit.

    So I have one good advice for these criminals: Let go Richard O’Dwyer and the admins of NinjaVideo and SurfTheChannel before the US patriots really lose their temper you fools!

    • huh

      I’m not sure what this has anything to do with anything.  I’m all for freedom of whatever but you are waaay off base and not doing yourself or anyone here any favors making a poorly worded analogy like that.

      • Guest

        “I’m all for freedom of whatever ”

        Ya right! Whatever as you just wrote. Obviously you are for freedom as much as I am against the death penalty for people like your boss. I think we should have you joint your boss in north Korea. You should be ashamed to work for these corporate fascists as a paid troll, asshole! You are treasonous!

  • Michael

    Profiting from theft? I thought the service was free? 

  • Guest

    The service was free, he made money from the adverts that was on his site. He did not sell movies on his site, no movies were stolen. He just gave links to where the movies could be found.

  • http://twitter.com/bob_love Bob Love

    Britain Refuses to Extradite U.S. Sex Crimes Suspect on Human Rights Grounds – http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/06/29/britain-refuses-to-extradite-u-s-sex-crimes-suspect-on-human-rights-grounds/

    Meanwhile this fellow runs a web site the mafiaa don’t like, and “In March, Home Secretary Theresa May officially approved the extradition request from US authorities” DESPITE THE FACT that his activities were NOT ILLEGAL
    IN THE UK.

    Shouldn’t extradition be reserved for activities that are *at
    least* illegal on BOTH SIDES of the extradition?

    Not at all difficult to work out what side the British governments bread’s buttered on.

    Sullivan – Alleged rapist (of 11 and 14 year olds) – no extradition. British government concerned he will be treated unfairly.

    O’Dwyer – Alleged movie pirate – extradition. British government convinced he will be treated fairly.

    Disgraceful, is the only word I can think of. The saddest part for me though is how unsurprised I am.

    • Anyone

      rape victims have no lobby and can’t buy politicians

      • Oh please

        Really?

        Not that I’m saying that its a bad thing, but rape victims probably have the strongest lobby in the world. No need to buy politicians, any threat by the countless women organizations will suffice to change things. And the mass media mobilization on such piquant issues is with no parrarels.

        Next thing youre gonna say that civil rights has no lobby…

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

      And even if the country agree on extradition, the suspectedd criminal may walk into some embassy and hide, like in the Julian Assange case.

      • Mugwump20

         I wish you`d walk into some embassy and hide…

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  • GUEST

    MPAA and their slimball colours. Absolutely disgusting. I hope the people who manufactured this Press-Memo get cancer – and so do their kids and the rest of their families. Fuck them. 

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  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Here’s a copy of my request to my local MP -

    Dear [edited for privacy],

    Please
    be so kind as to object strongly to our Home Secretary regarding her
    recent decision to permit the USA’s extradition application of Mr Richard O’Dwyer.

    His case is well documented in the public domain, but you may familiarise yourself with the basics here -

    https://torrentfreak.com/leaked-mpaa-memo-reveals-tv-shack-press-strategy-120805/

    The grounds of my objection are -

    1.  The allegations made against Mr O’Dwyer are NOT a criminal offence in the UK;

    2. 
    Granting the USA’s application is in breach of our extradition treaty
    as it is clearly stated the Treaty is NOT to be used for matters of a
    trivial nature.  Operating a website linking to copyright material is
    not unlawful in the UK and the issue is also trivial;

    3. 
    The Home Secretary is in error when stating that Mr O’Dwyer would
    receive a fair trial in the US.  There is currently a media frenzy in
    which all the major media ‘industries’ have wrongly created over the
    past 10 years or so a mind-set that breach of copyright via filesharing
    technologies is, or at least tantamount to, theft.  That is blatantly
    untrue, unfair and 100% erroneous, however these multi-billion dollar
    corporations can easily afford teams of solicitors to appear in Court on
    their behalf whereas Mr O’Dwyer is merely a poverty-stricken student.  I
    see no right to a fair trial under these circumstances whatsoever;

    and,

    4.  Even a UK-based pre-trial assessment using applicable US law would reveal crucial facts pertaining to this case, yet no such hearing has occurred but this inventive, talented and young
    man is to shipped off to the USA to be made an example of whilst REAL
    criminals such as rapists of our children are denied extradition by this
    same Home Secretary on grounds of a risk to his Human Rights being violated!!

    With
    respect, there’s something deeply wrong in allowing the extradition of
    Mr O’Dwyer to proceed, and I respectfully request you approach the Home
    Office on my behalf and put the above points, as well as invite their
    comments as
    to why they believe justice will be done, and seen to be
    done.

    Thank you & sincerely,
     

    cc  Mrs J. O’Dwyer

    • annon

       I just sent a modified version to my MP.

  • Guest

    ” a deliberate criminal while mocking his wardrobe”

    Hmm: He’s a filthy pirate .. and .. and .. he dresses funny too!

    So the MPAA starts sounding even more like spoiled children?

    • Guest

      If we’re going to start judging books by covers, sure.

      Nejtillpirater has an avatar that makes him look like a complete douchenozzle.

  • Nick

    Richard O’Dwyer done nothing wrong, why in this case the admin is in trouble?

    The fault is the ISP that hosted the copyrighted content (videos). O’Dwyer then just iframe these videos in categories on his website.

    Remember when MU was up and running the numbers of these kind of website around the web. MU was faulty to host these, not the uploader seriously…

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  • Ohdannyboy227

    I’m sorry, but I don’t see anything up there that isn’t correct. When the domain was registered in the US (the crime he is being charged with in the US) he was breaking US law from foreign soil. The Department of Justice shut down his website and began legal proceedings against him during which time he proceeded to continue his websites operations under a UK domain, this is perfectly legal under UK law and is NOT what he is being charged with.

    At 24 he isn’t a kid anymore and based on posts from the website he was well aware that he was breaking US law (although perhaps he thought his UK citizenship or residency protected him, it does not). While I do object to the rather crass characterization of O’Dwyer based on his wardrobe choice, the actual facts of this case speak for themselves. O’Dwyer profited from knowingly facilitating illegal activities (under U.S. law) using a U.S. based domain.

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