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Leaked RIAA Report: SOPA/PIPA “Ineffective Tool” Against Music Piracy

Contrary to the endless lobbying and subsequent defending of the now-dead SOPA and PIPA frameworks, a leaked report shows that earlier this year the RIAA’s Deputy General Counsel admitted that the legislation was “not likely to have been effective tool” for dealing with music piracy. All efforts are now being put behind the “six strikes” plan – but could disconnections for repeat infringers still be on the agenda?

“These illicit sites are among the culprits behind the music industry’s more than 50 percent decline in revenues during the last decade, resulting in 15,000 layoffs and fewer resources to invest in new bands,” wrote RIAA CEO Cary Sherman in a New York Times piece last year.

“It should be unacceptable to any of us involved in legitimate commerce online that a rogue Web site based outside the United States — but hawking American products or copyrighted works — can currently escape our laws.”

SOPA and PIPA

Sherman was writing in support of the Stop Online Piracy and Protect IP acts, legislation that if passed would have removed infringing websites from the United States Internet. But quietly behind closed doors earlier this year one of the RIAA’s most senior lawyers admitted that the legislation would not have been effective against online piracy.

The revelation appeared in a presentation (pdf) made by RIAA Deputy General Counsel Victoria Sheckler to IFPI members in April 2012, part of which we covered yesterday in our report on how offline music swapping dominates that done online.

In a section detailing recent legal and policy developments, Sheckler said that after “opposition to bills, activated by Google, went viral,” SOPA and PIPA were “essentially dead.”

But rather than opposition staying focused on these pieces of legislation, the RIAA Deputy General Counsel admitted that dissent had spread, with “anti-SOPA sentiment in netizens
being used by opponents to oppose other copyright protection measures.”

Companies, Sheckler added, were now on “heightened alert” – an assertion confirmed by the recent Internet Bat Signal initiative.

But perhaps of most interest is the confession that even if they had passed, SOPA and PIPA would have been of little help to the music industry.

Sheckler notes that the legislation put forward an “important principle regarding intermediary responsibility,” a reference to ISPs being told to block “rogue” sites –
but then added the following:

“Legislation not likely to have been effective tool for music.”

So, with SOPA and PIPA dead – at apparently no real loss to the music industry after all – the RIAA is focusing on something else.

The “Six Strikes” Copyright Alert Scheme

Sheckler’s presentation states that under the scheme infringement notices face a number of “potential challenges” such as “fair use, authorized use of work, pre-1923 work, misidentification of account, unauthorized use of account and misidentification of file,” but nevertheless the RIAA believes the system is robust enough to have a positive effect with its “consumer friendly” approach.

“Evidence exists that most users would modify their behavior if alerted to the risks associated with using certain P2P services and/or made to believe they will face consequences if caught infringing,” Sheckler notes.

Those consequences are detailed as follows – temporary reduction in speed, temporary step-down in service tier, redirection to landing page until subscriber contacts ISP, temporary restriction of Internet access, and redirection until subscriber completes meaningful education on copyright.

The presentation then notes that ISPs will not be required to terminate subscribers’ accounts as part of the “six strikes” program itself, but that eventuality is not being completely ruled out it seems. Sheckler says that disconnections can be ordered by service providers themselves.

“ISP’s terms of service/acceptable use policies prohibit infringement and permit the ISP to terminate the account if it is used for infringing activity,” she writes.

Some ISPs do indeed threaten to disconnect users for infringement based on a TOS violation. However, Sheckler says that the responsibilities of Internet companies go further and as carriers they are governed by legislation.

In order for ISPs to be eligible for safe harbor provision under the DMCA, she writes, they are required to have a “termination policy for repeat infringers” under “appropriate circumstances.”

So, although account disconnections aren’t specifically included in the list of “six strikes” mitigation measures agreed in the Memorandum of Understanding, the RIAA is clearly aware that if they’ve issued infringement notices against an account holder six times, then that user has a good chance of being viewed as a “repeat infringer” by their ISP – at least if prompted to do so by the RIAA.

By not including the ultimate disconnection sanction in the MoU it’s a win-win for the RIAA and the ISPs. The RIAA can honestly state that it’s not part of the agreement, and should the ISPs disconnect a user, they can blame that on the laws of the land.

Whether or not the RIAA will prompt the ISPs to go down that route remains to be seen, but the option is there should the “six strikes” program fail to have the intended result.

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  • Jason

    My isp has been redirecting me 6 months for using to much bandwith until i login and confirm i saw the warning. I just changed the DNS. Lol.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3URCAW5AQCUWNFHKO3CIU7A2T4 Fred

      (edit: posting a link once is good enough)

      • ANoi

        Regulars… READ ME

        Today TF haz trolls.
        They(or one person) could be paid shills trying to subvert discussion or just a bored person/s trolling.

        Expect no sense from here down.

        • Horse Laughter

          Good post. +1

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Z2GBK7TABDB6GZTMOBK32LZEIQ benjaminb

          TF is a great source of accurate information!

        • Mordred Prump

          Abandon hope all ye who enter here

        • Danny

           These fucking children need disconnecting from the internet, now!

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/OB66DA64XFHUIEYPFVLAFNUAWE Rainbow

          these fucking children need the fuck beat out of fuck their fucking asses

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/OB66DA64XFHUIEYPFVLAFNUAWE Rainbow

          TF is a wonderful and non biased place to get good information.

        • Trolls trolling trolls

           ooops….. looks like the trolls got trolled.
          nevah seen that one coming…… lulz

          #newfags #LurkMoar

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

          TF is a troll? I’m cornfused.

        • Mordred Prump

          Lionman,
          He’s saying that RIAA are trolls, and the TF people are bigger trolls, but then the trolls trolling this troll sight got trolled by bigger trolls, the RIAA. See?

        • Mordred Prump

          Ew, there’s a booger on my finger.
          Not big but still, ewww. You know?

        • Wasted trollin

           lol, as if TF users care enough to react.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HLNSSZCMYWYDZ3USAUBJQGAFOI THRED

          YOU GODDAMN TROLLS ARE FUCKIN DEAD!!!!

        • :)

          @yahoo-HLNSSZCMYWYDZ3USAUBJQGAFOI:disqus   You know a troll is pointless when……

          you have to troll yourself to create fake drama

        • Colombus

          Wait, what? You are a paid shill? Well why didn’t you say so?

        • Homophobe

          Thank you. I forgot to read the Bible today.

        • TBone

          Which came first? The troll or the chicken?

        • Mordred Prump

          Something smells funny here.

        • cornerection

          Quit yer cryin’.

        • yello

          finally, someone understands the truth behind sopa

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OB66DA64XFHUIEYPFVLAFNUAWE Rainbow

        This comment was fagged for review. Brutally.

        • Trolled trolls cry, lulz

          Too pussy to go troll foxnation.com with Obama avatars ?

          Lurk Moar faggots

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

          So much homophobia on TF.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HLNSSZCMYWYDZ3USAUBJQGAFOI THRED

          YOU GODDAMN TROLLS ARE FUCKIN DEAD!!!!

        • cornerection

          Smells like pussy.

      • Guest

        Interesting. It looks like the MAFIAA trolls have changed tactics from writing comments filled with lying industry propaganda to attempting to poison and derail  the comments section by spamming it with gibberish.

        Time to flag the trollshit. 

        • cornerection

          Don’t cry.

        • cornerection

          So funny 

        • Mordred Prump

          Typical response from liars. Liars hate the truth and use any means to silence it. What are you afraid of, trollie? If it was really gibberish, you wouldn’t have had to censor 70+ comments. lol.

        • ohhhhh

          shit trolls….. complete bullshit trolling. AMATEURS

        • ohhhhh

          Let me get this through to you.

          People on TF troll but trolling on TF is stupid.
          who got “mad” ?
          who is enraged ?
          who is already filled with hate for trolls ?

          Trolling on TF is pointless !
          Really as a previous op said…. go to foxnation and troll the people who are full of hatred.

        • McCheezits

          This comments section has gone down the toilet. Imma go flag some shit.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/6AXEXYMLINPTHMFMAFEQ5MG2EE Throm

          Ya’ll pussyho’ trolls ain’t shit. Imma flag me sum shit. Oh snap, ain’t nuthin leff, afta dey done delete 100+ comments . LOOOOL

        • BJonesTF

          And yet Mordred Prump, you need to change your name to make it seem like there’s more of you?

        • jimbo

          Hatred?

          What, about a $15 trillion dollar debt and rising unemployment while Obama hangs out with George Clooney and Biden goes on dates with MPAA minions? Who wouldn’t hate that?

        • not political

          Jimbo
          It was just an example of where trolling can be funny, when emotions run high.
          Agreeing by saying  “”Who wouldn’t hate that?”" , proves a point.

          Trolling here it is a waste of time. (the real point)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3URCAW5AQCUWNFHKO3CIU7A2T4 Fred

      http://news.menshealth.com/are-you-addicted-to-the-internet/2012/01/25/

      “It turns out being addicted to the Internet can actually alter the volume of your brain, reports a recent study published in PloS One.”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/2WQWFTF4V3V52OMBSP5B2ENFXU No Chance Without My Big Willy

        Yeah, like I’m going to like Men’s Health for like my health news! I mean…

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Z2GBK7TABDB6GZTMOBK32LZEIQ benjaminb

          ARE YOU A MAN? DO YOU HAVE THE BALLS AND PENE??

        • Horse Laughter

          I just like, liked your post.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

          This comment was f agged for review.

      • A wild Shill appears ?

        Go spam that on a health forum or something.
        HOW is it related AT ALL to this article ?
        It’s 100% not relative.

        Posting off topic, subverting discussion =

        • Horse Laughter

          And this does what, exactly, to get us back on track?

        • ANoi

          @google-cea7c179cc61b5f09626b42729acae27:disqus
          Who said anything about getting “back on track”. ?
          Like half of TF have never trolled before and don’t know how to deal with it.
          Trolls are trolls.  Get bored because of no drama…..move on.

          Shilling on the other hand….moar sick. Trolling the shit out of “paid shill trolls”  is lulzy and usually ends in cruelty to, and maximum butthurt felt by, said “paid shill trolls”.

          I hope the trolls here are “paid shills”.
          I look forward to the butthurt they will inevitably receive.

        • Horse Laughter

          ANoi,
          Now you’re babbling.

        • Mordred Prump

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108989/?tool=pmcentrez

          “Recent studies suggest that the internet is associated with structural abnormalities in brain gray matter.”

        • Mordred Prump

          How does this do anything to get us back on track, though?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3URCAW5AQCUWNFHKO3CIU7A2T4 Fred

    This is good news. If you think about the current, and ultimate disconnection sanction in the MoU, we’re all being used by these ‘authorities’. One way or the other.

    • Hayden Bridges

       I agree, it’s more gracious than simply disconnect user after one infringement. I still have my qualms with the fact that the connection owner could have no idea infringement is occurring.

  • thedude321

    I wonder where all these leaked reports come from…maybe Julian Assange is helping us from the background! :P

    But what this really means is that the Music Industry’s will to keep up this illicit struggle is failing miserably. Hopefully MU will be back, and everything will be back to normal. I mean the entire Internet community has been against them for the past few months, so they finally had to use their brains…see what happens, when you do?? :P

    And one of the parts of the strike consequences, “Meaningful education on copyright”. That was so goddamn funny. More like indoctrination rite?? :P

    • Danny

      Do they have internet in Ecuador?

      • Guest

        I am sure they have the internet in Ecuadorian embassy in London as that is where Assange has been staying for the last month.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OB66DA64XFHUIEYPFVLAFNUAWE Rainbow

        lol, dumbass.

      • cornerection

        LOL–> DANNY THE DUMBASS.

    • candyman

      ikr… I had an Orwellian experience on youtube when an obscure Japanese record label removed one of my videos… luckily I was in the French version of youtube so it was slightly less creepy, but those copyright education videos are real and creepy. If the corporations win the war over intellectual property control we will see a fascist state dominated by monopolies emerge… even moreso than it already is.

  • Horse Laughter

    MY TAINT SMELLS LIKE PUSSY.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2WQWFTF4V3V52OMBSP5B2ENFXU No Chance Without My Big Willy

      WTF?

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Z2GBK7TABDB6GZTMOBK32LZEIQ benjaminb

        I would never smell another man’s taint. Don’t care what happens.

        • Horse Laughter

          Go on…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OVL7ZVGYF27VDINLMQTBSIFUYE Funhh

    Why i come here?

    :-(

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Z2GBK7TABDB6GZTMOBK32LZEIQ benjaminb

      I often ask myself the same question. Except in English.

    • cornerection

      Well, I don’t know do I?

    • Mordred Prump

      Not for a healthy discussion. They censor the shit out of these comment sections. Look at the homepage comment count! They’ve ‘erased’ over 70 comments already. Nice work, Gestapo.

      • BJonesTF

        no-one’s ‘erased’ anything, when comments get a certain number of flags for spam, they get hidden, they need re-approving. We’re clearing the backlog as fast as possible. But they are NOT deleted

        Always so quick to attribute malice or see conspiracies., but it seems you know your own tricks best

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ST2QQODFFPWNUVXZ7QFJSTLZFQ Fred

    What this really means is that the Music Industry’s will try and attempt to keep this illicit struggle whether it’s failing miserably, or not. Hopefully MU will be back, and everything will be back to normal. I mean the entire Internet community has been against them for the past few months, so they finally had to use their brains…see what happens, when you do?

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Z2GBK7TABDB6GZTMOBK32LZEIQ benjaminb

      Smells reasonable enough.

    • Mordred Prump

      Something doesn’t smell right here.

  • Summer fags

    I smell summer in here.

    Kid’s need to get the fuck back to school !
    (or actually behave like non-retards)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2WQWFTF4V3V52OMBSP5B2ENFXU No Chance Without My Big Willy

      fuck !

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Z2GBK7TABDB6GZTMOBK32LZEIQ benjaminb

        GET OFF MY GRASS!!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ST2QQODFFPWNUVXZ7QFJSTLZFQ Fred

        What the hell happened to the reasonable, well informed comment sections of my youth?

  • dgin

    I’m 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3URCAW5AQCUWNFHKO3CIU7A2T4 Fred

      not

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/2WQWFTF4V3V52OMBSP5B2ENFXU No Chance Without My Big Willy

        smelling

        • Summer fags

          good

        • they stink of maturity

          Smell like summer fags

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/57MMUXYL5UUH33CLLQOOHOLCH4 Freddie

          your finger

        • Horse Laughter

          my rectum

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Z2GBK7TABDB6GZTMOBK32LZEIQ benjaminb

          same thing! Then…

        • Horse Laughter

          Then…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XKKMTSZCAGWAGUKJUPHSYRVBTU Ellen

    Sorry to inform u USA that u cant own the world, so : 

    ““It should be unacceptable to any of us involved in legitimate commerce online that a rogue Web site based outside the United States — but hawking American products or copyrighted works — can currently escape our laws.”

    Theeres nothing u can do besides asking nicely !

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Z2GBK7TABDB6GZTMOBK32LZEIQ benjaminb

      Smelly commie. Why you smellin’ up the place?

      • Horse Laughter

        I guess just because the US makes 90% of the movies in the world?
        But hey, I don’t blame Russia and Chna for stealing, have you heard
        their pop music? Smells like 1990′s shit.

        http://ucdavismagazine.ucdavis.edu/issues/win00/Images/SocksIll.JPG

        • Violated0

          Bollywood makes more movies than Hollywood does.

        • Horse Laughter

          I make more movies than Bollywood.
          But, no one gives a shit. About my, or Bollywood’s, movies.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x81iip6psks

        • Horse Laughter

          No doubt, whatever your views on filesharing are, the US is getting the shit end of the stick globally on this issue. China and Russia and laughing their asses off, the same technology that we invented is being used against us. 

        • Horsey

          Bollywood makes movies? News to me. I thought they made 3 hour long music videos only.

        • Techanon

          Don’t insult 1990′s music!

    • Violated0

      In case you want to know then in terms of movies produced the United States (Hollywood) falls in 3rd place on a global scale behind India (Bollywood) in 1st and Nigeria (Nollywood) in 2nd.

      Nigeria mostly does soap opera relationship type movies on a low budget usually set in local hotels, homes and offices. They also do religious movies.

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        I noticed you didn’t say anything in support of the quality!!….Did I miss somthing? 
        …..or, did you just want to conserve brain cells?……

      • Guest

        There has to be a minimum standard of quality for a video to be called a movie. Even I can churn out 2000 videos a year and call them “movies”. If you take quality standards into consideration, Bollywood and Nollywood doesn’t even come into the picture because they produce shit.

        • Anyone

          as does Hollywood

          there are at most 5 decent movies out of Hollywood each year, the rest is crap

        • jesuschrist

           At least Bollywood and Nollywood stand by their shit and they market it as shit, Hollywood on the other hand markets it as the newest best shit ever only to see the same old shit over and over again, rehashing old material STOLEN from books, plays and most often other movies. Where the FUCK is the quality control in that, where the fuck is the originality and innovation.

        • No1_2_u

          “Bollywood and Nollywood doesn’t even come into the picture because they produce shit”.

          Hollywood serves shit on a golden plater, you & the rest of the braindead consumer zombies liking Hollywood’s ass, swallow it platter & all & ask for more (i.e. sequels ad nauseum).

          Bollywood & Nollywood never pretend otherwise. They know they stuff is crap, but they don’t care becasue they understand it’s for ENTERTAINEMENT purposes (i.e. to kill a little time, have a few chuckles, & forget about your problems).

          Obvioulsy, as you failed to see this point ”you just want to conserve brain cells” or what?

    • WasterOfTime

      As an American, I agree with this sentiment.

      Label me a traitor homeland, I dare ya. I support what is right, as well as my rights.

      The right thing to do is to ask nicely. Follow Ellen’s advice you freaking greedy morons.

      • fightforyourrights

        I an American to and WasterOfTime you are not a traiter you are a true american. It is a load of crap that these f**king greedy basterds think that they can run the world and tell everyone what to do. what happened to the land of the free. Its now known as free to take the worlds money and force everyone into slaves of their system.

    • Europe Is South Of Texas Right

      The one thing the US can do internally is block all US access to ‘infringing’ sites.

      The one thing the US can do globally is take a flying fuck through a rolling doughnut (the proper spelling :p ), no-one cares! At least you can see their natural racism coming through, and to be fair that’s probably the only way they are going to get the american public on their side.

      I’m surprised they haven’t announced piracy is terrorism yet. It’ll come, mark my words. Guantanamo Bay anyone?

      U.S.GAY! U.S.GAY!

  • Guest

    ” By not including the ultimate disconnection sanction in the MoU it’s a
    win-win for the RIAA and the ISPs. The RIAA can honestly state that it’s
    not part of the agreement, and should the ISPs disconnect a user, they
    can blame that on the laws of the land.”

    I can just see the RIAA bullying and threatening the ISP’s to break the law to disconnect a subscriber when that subscriber has been sent 6 warnings etc.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

      That smells good. I’m having some of that.

  • Aynon

    I’m glad I signed up for a VPN

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2WQWFTF4V3V52OMBSP5B2ENFXU No Chance Without My Big Willy

      …says the guy selling VPN subs.

    • Guest

       Then they are correct….you DID modify your behaviour……something tells me that’s not the modification they wanted…..D’oh

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  • Fantastic

    No surprise there, they weren’t meant for curtailing piracy just a method to start censorship and protecting a crumbling yet wealthy industry monopoly.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Z2GBK7TABDB6GZTMOBK32LZEIQ benjaminb

      Thanks for backing that up with a link there, hero.

      • Horse Laughter

        lol

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3GAFYVFHDICL6L3SL7Z7KRZUNM Yahoo! Durrrrr…

      Nice link.

  • Horse Laughter

    Dudes, this comment section smells gayer and gayer by the minute. –> I like it.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Z2GBK7TABDB6GZTMOBK32LZEIQ benjaminb

      laughing

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

        through my ass.

  • SigDooo

    lol, absolutely NOTHING they do will keep the people from keeping it free!
    Ano-Tools.tk

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

      keep keeping the keeper, creepin’. lol. keep keepin on!

      • Mordred Prump

        This comment was flagged for review. No really.

        • LMAO

          Who cares…. you getting trolled ?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HLNSSZCMYWYDZ3USAUBJQGAFOI THRED

          YOU GODDAMN TROLLS ARE FUCKIN DEAD!!!!

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  • uJonesing

    I wonder how they’re going to track the Sneakernet.

    • Guest

       Well they will sure have to get their running pants on.

      • Mordred Prump

        Settle down, hero.

    • chronoss chiron

      they certanly cant afford cops in the usa …i hear most are now workin for min wage ROFL

  • Bakapinkuu

    Those grapes were probably sour, anyway.

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

    No surprise there, they weren’t meant for curtailing piracy just a method to start censorship and protecting a crumbling yet wealthy industry monopoly. This I know.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ST2QQODFFPWNUVXZ7QFJSTLZFQ Fred

    Hi, Mom!!

    • Pedo Dad

      I feel left out son.

  • Anyone

    how do you download the PDF?
    bayfiles seems to require a premium account

    • Gettit

      Just save as, the “premium” button is the link. ( no premium required )

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OB66DA64XFHUIEYPFVLAFNUAWE Rainbow

    This comment was flagged by fags.

    • *correction*

      Those Trolls were trolled by bigger trolls than you newfags

      • *correction*

        To add…..Spread the cancer to those who deserve it and where you get lulz !

        Or are you too pussy to go troll foxnation.com with Obama avatars ?

        Lurk Moar faggots

        • corrected

          PROTIP:
          1. Pick PASSIONATE nutjob from foxnation
          2. Register disqus (any account).
          3. use nutjob’s username as name. + Avatar.
          4.  ?????
          5. Profit !

        • cornerection

          Keep talking to yourself, it’s funny.

      • Mordred Prump

        Like some weird troll circle jerk? Boy, that’s an attractive visual.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OB66DA64XFHUIEYPFVLAFNUAWE Rainbow

    You’re so big and manly, you big brute! Kiss me you hairy ape.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OB66DA64XFHUIEYPFVLAFNUAWE Rainbow

    You’re so big and manly, you big brute! Kiss me you hairy ape.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OB66DA64XFHUIEYPFVLAFNUAWE Rainbow

    I’m

  • Mordred Prump

    Not.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SOODE6ARVQOKVW4MHQWIUWJ4U DandyLion

    Farting

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  • Mordred Prump

    I’m

    • Mordred Prump

      (post answer below here)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3GAFYVFHDICL6L3SL7Z7KRZUNM Yahoo! Durrrrr…

        answer

  • foff

    This is a joke.  who the fuck is going to pay for this?  Are ips’s really willing to do all this work and take it up the ass for free?  What we need is legislation that throws most stuff in public domain.  Think how much easier it would be for all if 90% of the shit on the internet was public domain.  If only 10% of what is on the net was subject to any copyright The mafiaa could focus on only a few things instead of mass censorship and controlling the whole fucking net.  This six strike is just bullshit and more hoops we have to jump through to continue.  Change dns and/or get vpn or just change isp or get a business account (twice as expensive but not monitored) .  So there are plenty of options none of which include doing what the mafiaa wants mainly because we do not have enough fucking money and probably never will.

    • Mordred Prump

      I jest fart.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      Not only is the idea of changing Copyright Law to throw most stuff into the Public Domain absolutely the right Idea, but 90% is about the right percentage.

      Moreover, if the payment stream on the protected 10% was directed preferentially, or exclusively, to Original creative Artists, rather than Distributors, Consumers would have vastly less resistence to paying.

      True, prices would drop to a level that would Not support Corporate Digital Distributors in the Luxury that they have become accustomed to; but, Creative Artists, on the other hand, could live very well on the resulting small Margins because the global volume on their workproduct would be HUGE.

      Moreover, Creative Artists, unlike Corporations, could live very well in a world where 90% of Intellectual Property was in the Public Domain. Why? Because on the Digital Internet Commercial life is naturally fast and short. Everything gets stale quickly. Creative Artists can adapt to the challenges of monetizing their work over a very small term because the implied small per unit margins distributed over the internet universe still represents potential vast wealth.

      What do Corporate Digital Distributors want?

      They want Perpetuity!!

      Perpetuity is the Great Big Titty that would make them happy!!

      Perpetuity is the Corporaqte Dream that makes it impossible for CopyrightHolders to live with a 90% Public Domain.

      Above all, can the Western Democracies exist as REAL Democracies without a 90% Public Domain?

      Isn’t the absence of Free Ideas the surest guarantee of Tyranny?

    • Windy

      Simply go back to the Copyright Act of 1790 and everything made since 1998 would be PD unless renewed by the author. Everything made since 1984 definitely would be PD. Artists would have up to 28 years to profit from their work and after that, horrors, horrors, they’d have to produce something else to keep eating.

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        I think that, if they can see the real economic opportunities implicit in Digital Distribution of their workproducts globally, Creative Artists can live with a short Copyright Term (say, three to five years); providing that the legislatively protected benefits of Copyright inure Only to Creative Artists and NOT to Corporate Distributers.   After all, what Intellectual product has (or perhaps, can justify) an economic shelf life greater than five years on todays Internet? 

        You’ve noticed that there are plenty of “New Age” distributors willing to assign large proportions of sale proceeds to Artists.  MegaUpload innovates an offer of 90% of proceeds to Artists.  Amazon proffers massive cuts in e-book prices while Still offering a higher proportion of proceeds to Artists.  These are merely the begining steps in the coming empowerment of Artists.

        The point here is that the emerging alliance berween Creative Artists and these new economy lower margin higher volume Distributors that will support them, can and will live profitably, if not comfortably, with a very short three to five year Copyright term.

        The results? 

        First:  By today’s standards, unbelievably lower prices for ALL consumers of Intellectual Property. 

        Second; Vast transference of wealth to Artistic Producers of Interllectual Property. 

        Third:  Currently unimaginable Social Wealth accruing to All Citizens by Intellectual Property residing perpetually in the Public Domain rather than in Corporate Tresuries. 

        Fourth:  A Political Renaissance in the Western Democracies, newly empowered
        AS Democracies by the free flow of Information on which Democratic Rule depends.   

         

  • https://openid.org/lulaladrao LulaLadrao

    RIAA is a failure…just geting money and doing nothing usefull with it

    • Mordred Prump

      Socialist Columbia has the highest murder rate in the world.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

     I dont think people should be too bothered about the 6 strikes as repeating false accusations is no more valid the 6th time than the first.

    Also surely if they are going to try using the DMCA against you , you as the account holder should have the same rights as your ISP (effectively your upstream provider).

    what is of more concern , or should be to US consumers is the fact that the MAFIAA are again turning their attention to offline copying.

    Last time they tried this they inisted that ‘HiFi’ CD recorders would only burn to more expensive audio only discs.  While equipment manufacturers and retailers tried to fool consumers that these CDRs were superior and specially formulated for audio use (retailers even trying to claim differences in audio quality off different discs), the truth was that the only difference between audio CDRs are general  purpose discs was abit set in the disc header to indicate it was authorized for audio recordings.  The additional cost of these discs was largely made up of taxes redirected to rights clearing houses. The only other reason the discs were more expensive was low sales as the recorders were also crippled with copy protection (as was mini disc, consumer DAT recorders and DCC) they failed to take off, effectively killing much of the HiFi seperates market in the process as all the MAFIAA efforts were futile as people used their PCs to duplicate and rip,

    What is of most concern now is what happened next and by the noises they are making is likely to repeat itself.

    When no one took to their crippled systems in the mid 90s the MAFIAA and their regional franchisees pressuredgovernments  to charge a levy on blank storage media, everying from blank cassettes and  later digital storage inc HDs. In Germany the local music rights group recieves revenue from every HD, PC, SD card and pendrive sold even if they never see an mp3.  (why should german photograpers subsidise the music industry?)

    Many countries inc the USA and UK refused to impose a levy but it sounds like they are gearing up for another go.

    Aside from increasing costs to non infringers, what is most objectionable is that while exists levies are calculated on storage capacity, once paying the levy, you should be legally licensed to put whatever you want on it from whatever source yet german rights holders seem most litigious even though the items should be considered non infringing due to being held on levypaid (licensed) storage yet the MAFIAA want it both ways.

  • Anonymous

    isn’t it strange that at no time will these industries admit that their own business model is wrong and that by supplying customers with what is asked for is not only the way forward but would reduce file sharing to such a low level that it would be negligible. all they can ever think about is how to make customers and potential customers into criminals. keeping their old sales methods and also the control that they still think is going to save them, they ignore the fact that alienating buyers is undoing everything for them. when stubbornness is overruled by stupidity it is time to rethink. when that is overruled by killing customers and therefore your business, it’s time to go!!

    • Mordred Prump

      You think that third mansion is gonna pay for itself?

      • Toilet Cleaner

        What about my salary? I have no more toilets to clean?

        • cornerection

          Mmm, sweet pussy pie!

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Great point and absolutely 100% spot-on Anon.

      These MAFIAA dinosaurs have utterly lost the plot to such an extent that even Stalin and Hitler would be proud of them with their fascist stance against internet freedom + the Will of the People.

      And the fact that our elected politicians are complicit in these ‘content’ industry’ businesses is particularly worrying because they should be protecting the needs and desires of their electorate with legal RIGHTS, rather than acting to protect the profits and immoral business practices of these MAFIAA fascistas. 

      It’s all so damned disappointing and troubling :(

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3GAFYVFHDICL6L3SL7Z7KRZUNM Yahoo! Durrrrr…

    COFFEE KILLS BRAINCELLS.

    • cornerection

      It’s not the coffee, it’s what they’re putting in the coffee.
      Also, the internet shrinks your brain. Literally.

  • Gae

    So really what they should have said is, they can’t do shit to stop people sharing stuff because it is human nature. They could cut off the entire internet for the world and people would still find ways to share things. People shared music before the internet and people share music now and will do forever.
    Music is not dying, dead or in trouble and people sharing things is not going to cause any of that to happen.
    If a bunch of record companies can’t make any money because they fell behind technological advances then that is just too bad. Success is never guaranteed.

  • Timmy Junior

    I don’t like the 6 strike policy, I’m very anti-it. However, it’s doing damn great at getting customers to my VPN provider ^_^.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3GAFYVFHDICL6L3SL7Z7KRZUNM Yahoo! Durrrrr…

      anti-it. i’m using that. lol.

    • blah

      I’d like to apply 6 strikes to the behind of the person or persons that came up with the six strike policy.

  • Baby Jesus

    I just farted.

    • Mordred Prump

      *chokes*

  • http://twitter.com/J_Plotkin James Plotkin

    …gaff… 

  • Mordred Prump

    5 star thread. Really. I’ve not been this entertained on TF in a long time.

  • jesus’sbuttbuddy

    fuck the mpaa and the riaa free shit for life you cunts dont like it dont make shit i play in a band and could care less if people buy the shit, atleast they’re listening to it.     

    • cornerection

      They only listen because you’re thirty five and refuse to move out of the basement. They have no choice, for now.

  • cornerection
  • http://twitter.com/GrandArtificer TheArtificer

    It jsut goes to show, there’s always a bigger troll.

    And, I love how RIAA’s plan is (basically) interference with contracts and harass internet users.  THAT will go over well.

  • cornerection

    It jsut goes to sohw, therse alwyas a bggier torll!

  • Retaliator

    In order for ISPs to be eligible for safe harbor provision under the
    DMCA, she writes, they are required to have a “termination policy for
    repeat infringers” under “appropriate circumstances.”

    me too I can make some pseudo legal BS:

    Copyright holders who abuse or harass internet users may SUBJECT THEMSELVES TO SEVERE PENALTIES  INCLUDING LIFE IN PRISON OR DEATH under appropriate circumstances.

  • Mordred Prump

    Over 70 comments erased from this comment section? (I can see how many comments were here originally from the home page, you dumbfvcks).
    Not doing any favors for your cause. You’ve shown your real face, a Gestapo that cannot debate the issues, but just uses bully tactics, as usual (liars hate the truth and try to silence it any way possible)…to silence anyone who says anything the least bit outside your bubble. Go on, erase this one, too. Like anyone reads this shit but pre-pubescent boys. lol.

    • Honest citizen of the world

      To Mordred Prump:
      I really dont understand what is your motivation and why you are defending Mafiaa unless you are part of it. 
      You should be ashamed of yourself!

      • Mordred Prump

        Well, at least I let people defend themselves, without silencing them.
        What takes more courage, coming here, the epicenter of self righteous
         pomp, or slagging some rednecks on Fox? C’mon.

        • OLDFAG

          courage ?  you’re joking right ? it takes courage to post a comment ?
          Posting random shit is a shit troll. ( we have taken part in legit EPIC trolls , you know ).

          As for “slagging some rednecks on Fox”…..that is not the point. (you have to be smart)
          For butthurt and lulz you have to play them
          The point is to get in their head, use their , VULNERABILITIES, WEAKNESSES and HATE against themselves. That is lulz generation.

          BUT you can go lots of places to get lulz and butthurt….. (foxnation was an eg)

          get a group to go to a christian chat room, all claim to be god, with a message for them, tell them they have to get all their christian friends online, GET IN THEIR HEADS. Then play.

          Shit pointless trolls are shit and pointless.
          EPIC on the other hand…………………………

        • Guest

          “People who can hack yr shit”?

          hahahahahahaha

          It’s easy to be self-righteous when you know you’re right.

        • chronoss chiron

          Regarding the troll mentioned above….
          IN FACT what you speak of is called a schill….its a person whose biased to one side and is often paid to do one sides work like most conservative posters drill on….
          You have to have witt’s intellect and gile to go at the morons over at fox in fact if people want i can post a list of every conservative blog on earth and we can get millions of pirates to troll the hell out of them all day so that they have to pay so much to mods that constantly are removing unwanted posts that ….well they will just do what most do ONLY allow there troll morons to post….so in the end all it does is just force them to be propoganda sites….
          YOUR better off in fact gate crashing any event you can slip into ….and heckle the speakers.

          ITS also easy to pick out these types as if you post a good argument they dont rebuttle no they have not the brains, NO, NO they will look to attack you….so be forewarned and carry a demonsword….

          https://www.uha1.com/demon.sword.avatar.jpg

    • troll makes a troll cry

       butthurt ?   lulz

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2WQWFTF4V3V52OMBSP5B2ENFXU No Chance Without My Big Willy

    Channel the rage. TF is butthurt. Beware. anything you say may be deleted. Even well thought out debate about this issue. So, basically, why waste your time?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6AXEXYMLINPTHMFMAFEQ5MG2EE Throm

    Torrent Freak Mods is 10 kinds of butthurt. LOL.

  • Guest

    Well i guess if you post obscenities or spam it gets deleted.

    • ScrewEwe2

      “Well i guess if you post obscenities or spam it gets deleted.”

      obscenities: hell no
      spam: yes
      disruptive bullshit: yes

  • STILL don’t gedit ?

     The Mods did NOT delete anything ……..We trolls FROM TF did…… Get it ?

    A few of us met on irc and decided to show you .

    It took 2min, 1st time round to take away 40 or so nonsense comments.
    2nd time it took 2min to delete the other 60 or so.

    NO ONE HERE IS BUTTHURT !  We are now lulzing at your butthurt 
    We troll harder than you can… You took HOURS … we took MINUTES ( amirite ? )

    We tried to tell you, we also told you that if you want serious lulz to go to foxnation.com
     say you are a…. 
    Black , Gay, Atheist, Republican,  who was born in Canada and hates Mitt Romney.
    You want to see real butthurt ? (trolling on TF wont get you *that Lulz )
    No one here at TF cares, some of us troll hard , but there is NO reason to troll on TF.

    • Mordred Prump

      Fine.

    • FakeElections

      I did it too, too quite a few comments :D If we all just flag a few it works out great…

      • glue

        stick2gether : )

      • oiX

        We all done good TorrentFreakers.

        They completely stank the place up with bullshit, nonsense trolling.
        They didn’t even try to do a “pelouzer” , “Anon” or “Jack Murdock”. They just spouted insults and nonsense.

    • ScrewEwe2

      I flagged quite a few of em myself today. It’s looking a lot better in here now than it did 5 hours ago. :-)

    • chronoss chiron

      hey troll leave canada out of it we all hate obama and romney …
      just keep trying to stuff your laws at our puppet prime minister and see what happens hes dropping like flies in polls and the party that asked me as president of the united hackers association will be in charge….get that into your panties as you sleep.

      • BUT

        On that site they hate Canadians. justsayin

  • Anon

    VPN

    /problem solved

  • FreeInternet777

    “and redirection until subscriber completes meaningful education on copyright.”
    Now thats an interesting statement.  When I educated myself on copyright, its history etc, I walked away learning that there was something wrong with this law, it stiffled creativity and was monopolistic and controlling from the middlemen.   It wasnt written for the creators.  Anything other than that isnt education its propaganda.  Sort of like those “re-education camps” in totalitarian societies.

  • Neil

    I think SOPA and PIPA were a nice try for governments but viewed by the MAFIAA as a smoke screen for ACTA.
    Never underestimate the power of people uniting with information sharing on the internet.

    • FreeInternet777

      And that’s one reason they want to control the net.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brent-Alan-Newton/1355656399 Brent Alan Newton

    If my ISP does anything to me for torrenting I will simply change service providers. Until they make that impossible. At that point I will just learn to live without internet. I think the ancient Egyptians discovered a way of doing this. 

    • WasterOfTime

      Live like a 90′s kid, if it comes to having to live without it. We didn’t depend on the Internet as much as Post-2k, and we fared pretty well.

      However, I prefer to live like a 90′s kid through nostalgia, not through a lack of Internet.

    • AnonIsAnon

       yeah, they started message boards on stone and plowed fields…but people only did this when they weren’t being whipped in the back and forced to make pyramids for their human-god. :) that could be fun.

  • chronoss chiron

    “These illicit sites are among the culprits behind the music industry’s more than 50 percent decline in revenues during the last decade, resulting in 15,000 layoffs and fewer resources to invest in new bands,”wrote RIAA CEO Cary Sherman in a New York Times piece last year.
    so there solution is to screw humanity so bad causing caps on net , filtering rising net prices and the layoffs of hundreds of thousands of tech employees so there 15000 yahoo’s can keep a job?

    NICE try ..fact is the cash NOT spent on you is put nto local economies that in this day and age NEED it. ALL the economic terrorists called hollywood are doing is truly destroying the once great nation called the united states of america. TRUTH justice and the american way are now ….LIES , bribery , injustice and hollywood way….

    Obama wants hackers to work for THIS KIND A BULLSHIT? 
    hahahahahahahahaha
    get stuffed 15 years at tops the usa totally collapses and it will be extremely violent, me thinks canada where i live might actually think a arming itself and really tighten that border.

    P.S. DO ya htink it might have to do with me being at a futureshop seeing a cdr go for 29.95 for a 10 cent stomp that might a been your issue and what the hell is or has hollywood done wiht all this cash its made….NO REALLY is it part of the 32 trillion all the rich have hidden in tax evasion that recent news sites are yammering about…..thats like half hte world debt the rich have and cant spend….what on god/space.alien/monkey king’s name is going on ….

    ya have to wonder what the goal is ….if not to destroy us what is it….it aint helping to go this route.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=676827475 Luke Solis

    yeah….  I’m not sold on the idea that the 6 strikes would work… after they supported the SOPA and PIPA even though it wouldn’t help them… if anything, there will be a lot of “victims of the system” that would come of this.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    “In order for ISPs to be eligible for safe harbor provision under the DMCA, she writes, they are required to have a “termination policy for repeat infringers” under “appropriate circumstances.” 

    Have Corporate Copyright Holders sold ISPs a Policy or a Pipe Dream? 

    That is the Question! 

    Pipe Dreams, unlike Policy, are built around a foundation of crucial, “We don’t Knows!!” 

    First, do DMCA rules require ISPs to have a “termination Policy for repeat offenders”, or “proven” repeat offenders? 

    Is the answer, “We don’t know?”…….This answer matters; because, if the presumption behind SIX STRIKES is that Customers will accept abuse by unproven private party accusations without fully accessing their Due Process Rights of Judicial Review and without putting their Legislative Representatives on Electoral life support, then that DOES meet my definition of a raging Pipe Dream. 

    Second, we know that the “Accept” button at the bottom of an infinite TOS contract of Infinitely fine print can bind consumers on material miniutia of the specific transaction (and as to rights and previledges not otherwise already reserved to them by written law); but, will the terms of Commercial TOSs prove sufficient as legal waiver of Constitutional Rights reserved to Customers AS CITIZENS by the Constitution? 
    Is the answer, “We don’t Know?”…….This answer matters; because, if the presumption behind SIX STRIKES is that nine Supreme Court Justices will NOT find Constitutional Rights for Citizens confronting unlitigated and perhaps unlitigable civil accusations and Denial of Services from ISPs based on a presumed “informed” waiver of Due Process………..That DOES meet my definition of a Pipe Dream……

    Perhaps what Content Providers have sold ISPs is not primarily a Pipe Dream…….but….a very large Pipe Bomb……..

    ….and…..it goes….Tic Tock…Tic Tock….Tic Tock…Tic Toc…….

    …….just before it goes BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM………..

  • WTF

    Wait a sec!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    “These illicit sites are among the culprits behind the music industry’s
    more than 50 percent decline in revenues during the last decade,
    resulting in 15,000 layoffs and fewer resources to invest in new bands,”
    wrote RIAA CEO Cary Sherman in a New York Times piece last year.”

    Jul 26th 

    RIAA: Online Music Piracy Pales In Comparison to Offline Swapping

    I’m confused now…

    • Techanon

      They aren’t paid to make sense.
      They will consistently deny that content sharing (both off and on line) isn’t a problem to content creators because their salarys depend on it.
      They specifically target online sharing because it’s much easier to track down than the sneakernet.

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  • Guest

    Remember, the RIAA is a bunch of liars and thieves.
    They rob from the true creators of content, kill innovation and fix prices and they always always lie.

    This is standard strategy for them, first they get away with something small then they expand it.
    Like laying mines before a battle.
    When the six strikes scheme was newer they really assured everyone that no one would be disconnected, now they say that someone could be disconnected.
    See where I’m going?
    When the time comes they will change the rules again, and now disconnections will be mandatory.
    Look at what they’re doing to Megaupload. Judge is basically admitting that even with no case they could still manipulate or modify the rules on the go to still keep megaupload forever frozen.
    This people do not play by the rules or for justice, they don’t care about music getting better or reaching more people, they don’t care about the artists, they only care about money for themselves.
    They are like a bunch of gangsters that use intimidation and bribery to keep things under control and money flowing to themselves.

  • Desu1

    A staged leak.. yawn

  • PRIVACY is priceless to me

    There’d be only one “tool” that’d be efficient: putting everyone on Earth in a slave labor camp, like in Phil Dick’s novels.
    They have already lost, but they can’t admit it because they’re just WORSE THAN NAZIS AND COMMIES TOGETHER!

    Capitalism = EPIC FAIL

    ANARCHY NOW!

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  • Fat_Crazy_Jesus_Killer

    Music Industry executive are the scum-of-the-earth.  They exploit (STEAL FROM) musicians.  They moved from Vinyl to Digital — to boost revenues . . . by A LOT . . .

    And now they’re whining and bitching . . . b/c their 1900′s business model, no longer applies in 2012.  They (motivated by GREED) advocated for Digital Music . . . and now it’s biting them in the arse.  Cry us a river(!!!!)

    I look forward to the day when ALL record labels implode completely.  Which is just a matter of time.

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  • azhure

    i dont think piracy really hurts music industry, they are just greedy enough not getting satisfied of the million dollar they get. wouldnt be an artist able to build a mansion if they are losing revenue? they are just so much of a drag, obviously its all about the money now, so music on this era is like just a piece of tool to make money, no more art on it for them, i dont know why artist keep clinging with music labels even if there is no more special on how their musical pieces are being maketed by music labels. if i were a musician, ill give them the freedom whether they will buy my song,give a donation instead or not. 

    if your an artist thinking of an idea of making a song to make money, your musical piece is just like nothing but a piece of sh*** ,its worthless and not even worth a penny

  • azhure

    and music labels are starting attacking behind with no honor, they pay to attack websites. no one is in right mind would attack a website that is a offering a public sevice, only those who gets a kick start due to the money receive. music labels is really a big scam scheme, they claim they lose revenue but actually they dont, they always keep the standard amount of money they should get

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