Lessons The Next Big Torrent Sites Will Learn From Mininova
Written by enigmax on November 30, 2009When Mininova announced last week that they would comply with a tough court order, many BitTorrent users feared that this signaled the end of big public torrent sites. In fact, in common with the earlier Grokster decision, the verdict actually lays out clearer ground rules for those running file-sharing services.
In June 2005 when the now-famous Grokster decision was handed down, initial reaction was almost unanimous. The Internet was alive with this historic defeat – Grokster had been savaged by the Supreme Court, lost their case in the biggest possible way and would have to shut down. No other outfit would dare get involved in file-sharing again, was the knee-jerk assumption, since this case proved it was illegal.
In reality, the truth proved somewhat different.
No one could argue Grokster had been defeated, but the consequences for file-sharing were limited. The real impact was that providers of file-sharing services could now be held liable if it could be shown that they promoted their products for infringing purposes. Careful advertising was all that was required. Furthermore, the decision only affected the United States. Considering the epic scale of the case and the supposed victory, the results were far from devastating.
And now, 4 years later, Mininova, another file-sharing giant that rode on the crest of the BitTorrent wave since the Grokster verdict, has effectively been forced to close down the vast majority of its site, prompting many to feel that BitTorrent is heading for its twilight years.
However, with careful consideration, it may just be possible to create another Mininova that avoids its namesake’s fate, since the court’s decision was not solely related to the existence of links to infringing content, i.e the .torrent files.
The DMCA is widely known in BitTorrent circles. It is the US copyright act (but accepted by many indexers and trackers regardless of location) which many sites quote when offering to take down torrents that link to infringing content. “If you’re the content owner, let us know,” they say, “..and we’ll take down torrents that link to your works.” Complying with so-called ‘DMCA takedown requests’ is widely accepted as a way to stay within the law.
Although Mininova operated such a system, comments by the site’s staff on their forums called their commitment to it into doubt. There are many samples given in the court’s decision, here are just a few. It’s worth noting that many of them date back to 2005, when users, staff and site admins would have been much more relaxed.
“May have been just a take down request (…) i’d say just re upload it (…) thanks for sharing” (posted by site moderator)
“Thanks for reporting, I deleted the fake version and uploaded the correct one” (posted by site admin)
“I made a mistake of downloading a shareware version of Monopoly Jr. only to find out it only allows you to play it for 15 minutes and then it becomes useless,” said a user. “Check the site, it’s there now” (posted by site admin).
Mininova also took pride in their efforts to proactively filter fake files (including in the decision are comments by staff who admit to downloading material to check if it is indeed as labeled), viruses, malware, pornographic and drug-related material, but this seems to have backfired by the corresponding lack of commitment to proactively filter copyright content in the same manner.
The site also carried some very specific categories for its torrents. Not just ‘movies’ or ‘TV’, but also sections such as “CSI” and “Desperate Housewives” which are widely known to be copyright works. One section highlighted in the decision was labeled ‘Disney’. The court decided that since so little Disney material is copyright-free, the section could have little other use than to infringe.
Mininova has never denied making profits (it is a company after all) and the court ruled that the site encouraged and profited “from infringements of copyrights and related rights of the holders represented by Brein.”
To see things from a different perspective, TorrentFreak has been discussing the closure of Mininova with Aldor Nini at digital distribution and anti-piracy solutions company, Easycom, who has been following the case closely.
Interestingly, Aldor informs us that 8 out of 10 torrents on Mininova were not covered by the BREIN lawsuit, which makes us wonder if the site could’ve stayed alive if the other 2 out of 10 were removed before the court’s hand was forced.
“We are very sorry to see a platform like Mininova shut down millions of torrent files,” he told TorrentFreak. “Based on our research we have found out that only 21% of the content was infringing rights of content owners for content used in the proceedings by BREIN. This 21% could probably be the most popular files on the platform, but we cannot confirm this for sure.”
“However, Mininova’s decision to completely remove everything was to 100% conform with what the judge has ruled. A 100% working filter was requested, and the removal of all non moderated user submitted torrents is the only 100% filter available nowadays,” he told us.
In a similar way that file-sharing applications similar to Grokster’s continue to flourish post the ‘big’ 2005 verdict, torrent sites can follow suit, if they are prepared to adapt.
“We do not think that this judgment will directly apply to other torrent portals at all,” Aldor told us, “but rather the way Mininova was operated as a torrent portal.”
Aldor has some interesting thoughts on how torrent sites can continue, without making the same mistakes as Mininova. He argues that torrent sites should behave neutrally, meaning that if they remove fake and spam comments they should filter copyrighted content too.
Based on Aldor’s reasoning, it seems another option is for sites to switch to user-based moderation, where content is automatically removed after a fixed number of downvotes. The bottom line is that the site’s operators (or moderators) should stay neutral.
Further suggestions are to take the takedown procedure seriously and make it easy to use. Sites should notify users that copyrights are to be respected and refrain from using specific categories (such as Disney). Again, based on the basis that site staff should stay neutral, user submitted tags should be fine.
Other more problematic ideas are the increased co-operation with content owners and to “stop thinking in black and white” – surely great advice for both sides and ultimately, the only long term solution.
Not making any profit or donating part of the site’s income to innovative music artists and film makers, and steering clear of scammy advertisers could be further plus points.
Aldor concludes that the lessons are there to be learned from Mininova’s demise.
“The next torrent portals, which will cover the next millions of torrent files, will hopefully learn from this situation. All in all Mininova’s partial shut-down will not influence the worldwide BitTorrent activity, it has just set up the rules for the successors of Mininova.”
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Good list and explanations, hopefully this will encourage more people to open more torrent sites…
They close one… a hundred pop up ;)
even Hercules would have trouble stopping that one!
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good as always TF.
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yea nice article learn from our mistakes!
and its dunnny how mod said reupload it it is just copyright filter lol
just agree not to filter anything & have your portal set up where it can’t be taken down (site set up anonomously & hosted from a fast connection @ home through a vpn. just make sure that you test it & make sure your vpn doesn’t log & it won’t drop your ip and expose you
http://www.emule-project.net
What about cloud-hosted trackers? Can’t that be made possible? Just index where the trackers can be downloaded making the site itself non-prosecutable.
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just to be safe
Solid article, well done Enigmax
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Nice work. Good job E-max
THANK YOU!
thank you for some looooong awaited unbiasedness :-D
Interesting article
Does Mr Nini have a torrent site we can visit?
Extremely interesting article, nice to see it outlined in plain English (rather than lawyer mumble).
This makes me wonder about a Digg-like Torrent Site. The popular torrents are uploaded by users, ranked by users, and downloaded by users. If no takedown method is held, and no “staff” ever actually appear visible to the average user, there can be no hope of them being anything but neutral. Likewise the sections would keep the highly un-original “Movie, Games, Music” idea, but with a search cloud on top of each section, showing the latest searches done by the site users, not hand picked by staff or the sort.
I’ve been working closely with a few friends on getting a torrent site up myself, and although it will only be powered by Magnet Links (no actual torrents hosted), it’s good to start thinking about ways to stay legal at all times.
Thanks for the read as always torrentfreak.
http://www.torrentmagnet.com/
So according to this theory, Gary Fung should not ask the judge or the Canadian government to legalize Isohunt. He should stop thinking black and white and ask the content owners to cooperate with him.
How can this process be automated?
@8 Torrents are tracked via cloud already, they can even be distributed via DHT cloud with Magnet links.
Problem is that there is no efficient distributed search technology. eMule/etc distributed search is not that good – it is extremely slow and traffic-hungry. Also there is no technology at the moment for distributed fuzzy search (sound-alike words, stems, etc). Torrent indexers are here to stay and are the main target now.
Next logical step by copyfags would be to make posting Magnet links illegal, or even better – make mentioning existence of torrent illegal.
I predict that soon we will see a wave of propaganda on how BitTorrent is used to share child pornography and terrorist plans.
/ Your friends at http://bitsnoop.com/
Essentially he is asking the admins to let go of their hat, eye patch, parrot, wooden leg and hook. any cool outfits to replace that with?
Will be difficult for some to let go of their greed. But great manual anyways!
All these lawsuits against p2p has just made p2p what it is today.. Such a refined system.. The more wins they get, the better our systems get.. I wonder if they realize that all their billions going into lawsuits is really just causing programmers to be more innovative..
Sure, there are small setbacks for a very short period of time after their “wins,” but it comes back better and better.
(My friend usually calls me a geek right about now..)
This kinda reminds me of the Foundation Series by Asimov.. The foundation(Terminus) was forced to work with such limited resources on the outskirts of the empire, and due to a series of conflicts plus its circumstances the foundation was able to refine its technology etc…
Ya, I’m a geek and I’ve had an energy drink..
“it seems another option is for sites to switch to user-based moderation, where content is automatically removed after a fixed number of downvotes”
Pointless – the MAFIAA will just get all their staff to signup, downrank and everything copyrighted will always disappear.
How many do you think there are in their staff? BT users will outnumber all employers in the world :p
DHT+PEX+Local Peer Discovery+torrents hosted at services made for .torrent files that “anonymises” the .torrents name so its just random numbers&letters+indexers like Mininova that does not filter anything. Thats how simple it is.
Did The Pirate Bay just shut down?
1337x.org is the best replacement
Foundation rules! Asimov was a genius, he predicted geo-synchronous satellite technology in 1945, if I remember correctly!
Long live TPB and farewell Mininova!
We just made our public tracker. People are encouraged to use it :)
http://tracker.moviefox.org/announce
TY.
MF Staff.
The Cat and mouse game continues on. As more will be born, from the death of one.
Regarding Disney:
Disney’s Civil-War era movie “Song of the South” has been pulled from the US market years ago, due to complaints from Negroes who claim it’s offensive to them. Disney has stated that they have no plans to ever re-release this classic film ever again, in any format.
The ONLY way to get “Song of the South” in the USA is through the grey/black market — such as file sharing — because Disney now refuses to sell it at any price.
come to 1337x.org we have everything you need!
guys this is a dumb article. why tell them what to look for in shutting down the next site!?
@SOTS: Anyway it is still copyrighted by Disney.
However, I guess Disney won’t blame you sharing it via P2P, Disney would blame Torrent portals, which will benefit from the infringements (via advertisement) – never forget: the P2P user pays (to the adveritising company, when he uses their services advertised) and the copyright owner pays (to produce the material). The portal earns the money.
The same goes for YouTube, etc.
@SOTS
It’s hard to believe that the Negroes would find a bunch of defeated, washed-up Cracker soldiers offensive.
Bob: “All these lawsuits against p2p has just made p2p what it is today.. Such a refined system.. The more wins they get, the better our systems get.. I wonder if they realize that all their billions going into lawsuits is really just causing programmers to be more innovative..”
OK, for some reasin you’re talking as if your really trying hard to be a Computer Expert and offering us your analysis. Which is completely off BTW. You obviously need to go and read some basic history about where the BT protocol came from and what it was envisioned as being.
Really… stop trying so hard.
Also I have to question the hypocrisy of many commenters here as well as TF. Why is it “OK” for Mininova to make a profit (…”they are a company after all”…) and yet many readers as well as TF in the past have acted outraged that private tracker owners make a profit from donations. Indeed the line is often “private trackers are bad because they profit off piracy”.
As with TPB, Mininova profited, wholly (in the past) from serving ads and in latter periods almost certainly a majority of their revenue stream was comprised of advertising proceeds.
Ads which often were disingenuous at best and offered services that placed spyware onto users systems.
Just don’t get the double standards here really – public trackers are supposed to be about sharing and the “p2p spirit of sharing without any money involved” and “that’s why private trackers are bad”? Heard that a lot round here.
Private trackers enforce sharing usually and where donations go is far from clear at most sites.
RIP ScT, you will be missed. :’(
@wow
‘They’ already know how to shut sites down, they just did it with Mininova, this article just says ‘how’ they managed it and how other sites can avoid the same treatment
But bury your head in the sand if it makes you feel better
@NubCake2
So why don’t you show a little solidarity and not attack file-sharers? Gives the cartel just the kind of ammo they need. What a nubcake you are!
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@nubcake2
I don’t see TF endorsing making a profit. I just see them reporting that Mininova is a company and what do companies do? That’s right, they try to profit
Stop spamming your honeypot site trackeraccess John, Mac, Jim, Bob, and whatever other fake name you use!
Yeah! We suck major balls on fag access!
@ nubcake2
you are the first person that seems to actually know what they are talking about. so many sheeple here just don’t think before they spew complete garbage.
Looks like eztv.it is offline as well… not sure if this is related though.
@ #35
NubCake2, the way you talk and the choice of words you used in your argument makes you sound like one of the following:
1) A Lawyer
2) An Undercover Cop
3) A Bookkeeper
4) An Accountant
5) An undercover District Attorney
6) A Representative of the MPAA
Maybe I’m wrong, but a narc like you is easy to detect from miles away.
@ #35
NubCake2, the way you talk and the choice of words you used in your argument makes you sound like one of the following:
1) A Lawyer
2) An Undercover Cop
3) A Bookkeeper
4) An Accountant
5) An undercover District Attorney
6) A Representative of the MPAA
Maybe I’m wrong, but some of the phrases you have mentioned have visible meanings behind them.
Mininova shot it’s self in the foot with ridiculous categories like “Disney” “CSI”, etc. That was too specific and a legal disaster just waiting to happen.
I personally never cared too much for Mininova but they were a major player in the torrent world.
With that said I hope everyone here is smart enough to use a VPN while downloading torrents. The MPAA and RIAA come after individuals as well.
whoever keeps spamming that trackerasskiss.com site: your site is ridiculously slow. no-one wants in.
They’ll never stop me. I’ll be uploading and downloading movies, music, software and books until I’m dead. :P
“I predict that soon we will see a wave of propaganda on how BitTorrent is used to share child pornography and terrorist plans.” -bitsnoop_dot_com
well thank god BitTorrent is doing something good for once!
as we all know, pirating kills content producers! so hopefully a big influx of child porn and terrorist plan pirating should help to get rid of these things…right?
It would be the epitome of hypocrisy if they started attacking BitTorrent like that.
@18: http://isohunt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=335281
RTFA. Cooperating with copyright owners IS exactly what we’ve been doing, problem is some are intentionally not cooperating.
And “legalize Isohunt” is a bad way of putting it. We are asking for court’s confirmation that we do not infringe according to the Canadian Copyright Act.
ya know, the restrictions that Aldor’s talking about in the article all sound like something that isoHunt already does… and they don’t suck.
Anyone know why we can’t access TPB atm?
1st!!! xD
Leo the Lion, refresh your page. This can be done by Clicking with the left button of your mouse over the Refresh button, which seems like a Recycle icon.
What do they hope by shuting down this site? Unless they are asking for another 20 sites to take there place I don’t see the point. Think about this how many times did you download a Cam movie than went to see it in the movies afterwards? Many people do this and they should thank the torrent sites for all the extra seats they sell I know me alone I went to 20 movies in the past year when I was going to wait for DVD but the cam made me go. Its the same with music you download a bad copy than go to Itunes and but the good copy. The bottom line torrent sites make them more money than they would if the torrent sites were not there. How dumb can they be not to see this? What is next the 250000 news groups?
In week or two, they’ll be able to learn another lesson from Mininova; Delete all your torrents and your site will go down the drain.
@nubcake2 – I never tried to sound like a computer expert.. If you think that post was me trying to sound like that, You are way off(read too much into things, prob one of those forum trolls that just likes flaming)..
Anyways, I never said that the BT protocol itself came from p2p needing to refine itself. However, with every lawsuit that is lost, the P2P community has to come up with better ways for anonymity and getting around these idiotic anti-p2p suits. Not all innovations come from things like this, but many of the ones that do would likely have taken longer to come about..
@Geek as well- I agree with you :) Some of his work was amazing, though the fact that he did so much science fiction makes people skeptical toward a lot he said.. Then again, how much of today’s technology was inspired by sci-fi? :P
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/thepiratebay.org#trafficstats
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Great post!!
Bloody lesson! Lot of mistakes should be avoided at its earlier stage.
Silence is the gold.
lulz to ya all
I am so glad to see, there are so many of US !!!
There will be lot of successors, and they will getting better, stronger, smarter.
And then, there will be peace.
I have a friend, who has a super fast internet service, around 17M download speed. I was asking him why he needs a such big pipe. He said, watching movies.
I asked him, if he feels guilty about stealing movies, He said:” What, I paid 100 bucks a month to get the subscription of internet access, I have already paid. If I spend this money on tickets, I can watch 15 movies in cinema, or, if I give this money to my cable company, I got lot of TV channels.
It is not my fault. We paid to get what we want. The MPAA should go after my ISP to split some profits. If I do not watch movie online, why should I ask for such big bandwidth.”
Some how, I feel, I agree with him. If I only pay 20$ a month, I think I will just surf website. As I am paying triple, so, I have to make my money work.
Private sites like TPB FTW…I hate public trackas
“The DMCA is widely known in BitTorrent circles. It is the US copyright act (but accepted by many indexers and trackers regardless of location).”
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That’s where all the problem lies.
When any of you (owners of torrent sites) accept an ILLEGAL law (in this case, DMCA) which is foreign in your country, directly or indirectly, you are legitimizing this law. In other words, you are supporting to the enemy by accepting their rules without any opposition. The only way of nulling to the fascists from the corrupt USA entertainment industries is NOT recognizing DMCA at all, and there exist many ways for doing this.
On Nov 30, 2009 at 23:46, NubCake2 wrote:
@63 TPB is a public torrent site.
For my previous post, my reply comes after the quote, which should be closed after the word, piracy.
@ 64 Dec 01, 2009 at 06:37 by Dingo_RG
“The DMCA is widely known in BitTorrent circles. It is the US copyright act (but accepted by many indexers and trackers regardless of location).”
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That’s where all the problem lies.
When any of you (owners of torrent sites) accept an ILLEGAL law (in this case, DMCA) which is foreign in your country, directly or indirectly, you are legitimizing this law. In other words, you are supporting to the enemy by accepting their rules without any opposition. The only way of nulling to the fascists from the corrupt USA entertainment industries is NOT recognizing DMCA at all, and there exist many ways for doing this.
very well put
@56 Dec 01, 2009 at 05:27 by Rekrul
In week or two, they’ll be able to learn another lesson from Mininova; Delete all your torrents and your site will go down the drain.
yes hopefully they will learn this and start adding ed2k:// to the files instead and allow people to post that stuff.
A tf reader said that they copied all of the torrents from mininova.org
Can you please up them somewhere so people can build off of them? Thanks!
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mininova.org
Woah! huge drop in traffic.
@31
if you can’t buy the product in any form by law in the USA it is legal to upload even if it is copyrighted
how can someone claim the royalties to something if its not being sold or even made available and state it never will be again
It’s in the USA’s laws’s Check it out
“viruses, malware, pornographic and drug-related material”
Mininova removed drug-related material? O.o
@64
maybe that is a way for them to make sure they don’t make it illegal in there country by ending it there they stop it from progressing to the point of making it a law in order to stop it in there country because if they did that the torrent sites wouldn’t even be given a chance to fix it because if there found guilty they would be punished the way the law agreed on prior to the actual event
They deleted everything that wasnt uploaded by their Content Distribution service. Its just like download.com now but with torrents and less legite companys involved.
Im sorry, but im nott going to miss Mininova one bit, Stupidity and cowardice are not great characteristics to have in a torrent index site, and from the article it shows that Mininova had an over surplus of both..
1337.org is a great example of a kick-ass site..
TPB has been kickin ass and taking names for a long time, and they arent giving in anytime soon…
Demonoid has had their share of bullshit and they manage to adapt and hang tough…
Isohunt, another sitte thats taken a few punches and is still there…
It can/has been/is being done by many sites, if Mininova cant handle it then I say F-king SEE YA!, aint gonna miss ya!
@ lopper369
Do you know what law that would be under? I would like to research what your saying, as most things I look for are of the old or out of print items.
The problem was that Mininova was too centralised – they had moderators who actively removed bad torrents, and they made a profit. Any torrent indexer that’s going to survive needs to distribute liability amongst the users, so that it’s not practical for them ot be sued. e.g. let users moderate/comment on torrents, function as a non-profit (harder for courts to demonize, legal in some countries. e.g. Spain), and comply with DMCA requests. As long as the staff let the users do all the work, it’ll be almost impossible to take them down.
P.S. if you’re looking for a Mininova alternative, I recommend torrentzap, extratorrent and kickasstorrents :)
You will never legitimise a service that allows for copyrighted works to be distributed freely. They’ll come for you irrespective of cute attempts to act innocent by trimming categories, pandering to U.S. DMCA, implementing filters, acting neutral, and you’re utterly deluded if you think otherwise. If users who want the content get the content because of your service, you’re fucked, and will continue to be until they can’t.
And you know something… I hope they do, because a lot of these sites are about nothing more than profiting which they can do because the content they offer access to attracts an endless stream of suckers happy to donate, buy merchandise, buy anonymity, buy status, click advertisements,…
@50
The moral of THIS story is that you should do the right thing. Not that you should find a weird country that lacks the proper legislation to prevent you from doing the wrong thing.
You know your site is pretty useless without stolen content Gary. You even tried to prove yourself otherwise and failed at it.
Gary, why wouldn’t the following rules (on your site) apply when deciding to allow a torrent to be POSTED to your site rather than only to have them taken down?
(i) A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed;
(ii) Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works at a single online site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works at that site;
(iii) Identification of the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity and that is to be removed or access to which is to be disabled and information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to locate the material;
(iv) Information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact you, such as an address, telephone number, and, if available, an electronic mail;
(v) A statement that you have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law; and
(vi) A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that you are authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
Mininova’s traffic rank is at an all time low seeing alexa as the site was forced to jump off the cliff.
http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=400&h=220&o=f&c=1&y=t&b=ffffff&r=2y&u=mininova.org&
In about 1 month mininova will become a simple stone from the mountain it once was.
You will never legitimise a service that allows for copyrighted works to be distributed freely. They’ll come for you irrespective of cute attempts to act innocent by trimming categories, pandering to U.S. DMCA, implementing filters, acting neutral, and you’re utterly deluded if you think otherwise. If users who want the content get the content because of your service, you’re fúckéd, and will continue to be until they can’t.
And you know something… I hope they do, because a lot of these sites are about nothing more than profiting which they can do because the content they offer access to attracts an endless stream of suckers happy to donate, buy merchandise, buy anonymity, buy status, click advertisements…
You will never legitimise a service that allows for copyrighted works to be distributed freely. They’ll come for you irrespective of cute attempts to act innocent by trimming categories, pandering to U.S. DMCA, implementing filters, acting neutral, and you’re utterly deluded if you think otherwise. If users who want the content get the content because of your service, you’re ƒucked, and will continue to be until they can’t.
And you know something… I hope they do, because a lot of these sites are about nothing more than profiting which they can do because the content they offer access to attracts an endless stream of suckers happy to donate, buy merchandise, buy anonymity, buy status, click advertisements,…
y r v not fightining this evil…the ppl at anti-piracy works wid the law so the proof are tampered moreover the ppl workin in this anti-piracy are at profit as they get money and can use all the confiscated stuff for their own….I SAY WE ALL WAKE UP
ya thats right we people should fight this as the proofs presented are tampered and ANTI-PIRACY agencies provides their own DETECTIVES to solve the cases. This is certainly an injustice.
http://www.nowtorrents.com is now back, by mininova :)
That’s not enough the anti-piracy companies break the rule of torrent sites by providing FAKE torrents and then noting down the ips. This is a one strong point they themself post their content on the torrent sites and then say copyright violations but they themselves are posting their content.
no need to worry
we still have H33T
all r welcome at
http://www.h33t.com
what really funny about this article is it fails to mention that those tv catagories are also covered by the fair use of timeshifting for most people
especially since the supreme court just recognized that timeshifting using a cloud was not only legal but service provider of that cloud is ALLOWED to make money from that service.
someone needs to stand up for fair use
http://www.monova.org is the correct addressee
It’s a real shame, RIP mininova :(
Keep wasting your money on us. Ain’t gonna stop us! Trust me, you can’tt haha. Don’t be embarass in the next 50 years when you look back at your history.
We are like one of the virtual virus that can not be destroy.
Hinder me at your peril.
The more they spend on trying to shut us down and up, the more we learn how to get around there measures.
Thanks for spending your money on my education.
@23 We have more IP address blocks than they do.
Those who downvote content upvoted by a lot of people will be recognized and their votes will lose weight.
There are several ways to catch out down-vote scamming.
Also, you can make downvoting flag content as fake, etc. but make it so that people can still view it by clicking a link. (A bit like spam-tagged comments on youtube)
Torrent sites don`t profit from the illegal content. They profit from the service they provide which is one or more of the following: tracking, torrent indexing and/or hosting or hash database.
If by any chance all the copyrighted material started to be offered for free they`d still get their money from the people accessing the site and seeing the ads. Basically the argument used against most torrent sites – that they profit on the content the users share – is completely flawed.
On a side note, Funimation requested their material to be removed from a torrent site I`m registered to. The request was granted but now, since I don`t know what they are releasing the probability I`ll buy new stuff from the is null. Not to mention I`m not buying if I can`t watch anyway. So we both lose. Same happens to the other media.
MININOVA was by far the best sad to see it go. But as others said we all learn from our mistakes and who knows maybe it will come back even better and just legal enough to plz the damn judge wat a prick eh
#96 Ninja…
It’s the copyrighted content that attracts the vast majority of customers and you know that. Take a look and see how Mininova does from this point on for a good laugh. You can’t deny that a lot of these sites and services make money purely because of the access to copyrighted content they provide. It’s also not in their interest to effectively filter/remove access to the content because that’s precisely what keeps the people coming. That’s the big attraction, and that’s what brings money in.
Who’s ‘they’ in paragraph 2? Media companies, I guess? Well sure, they could offer it up for free but with advertisements, but just how much would that bring in? Peanuts is what. It wouldn’t pay s**t relative to the cost to produce the content. For an industry it’s probably not worth it to do that, but for a few chavs with a credit card able to run a server it is as they never needed to create the content in the first place.
BitTorrent’s a great protocol but the centralised aspect to its design attracts an endless stream of sleezy c***s looking to profit from it. Even TórrentFreak here probably does; selling ads, pushing recommendations for VPNs, pushing sites heavily laden with their own sleezy pushes for various services (Vertor #1, lol?), and so on. It’s f*****g sleezy, and from the perspective of media companies I don’t blame them for a second for doing what they can to have it all shut down. Sites like Mininova built their success on access to copyrighted content users provided, then fearing collapse, and in a last ditch attempt, tried desperately to legitimise by pandering to the media companies – the actual content owners – the key to the whole Mininova service as a successful business. They failed, and now that there’s none of the attractive content there, soon they’ll be no people there either.
Ninja: I’d counter your argument if this site would allow, but they won’t, because they, like you, probably full well know it’s a crock of shit lie.
just relocate to kahnawake quebec soverign territory.. servers can t be shut down there
Anybody willing to make a copy of mininova before all the torrent are really taken down? Just someone made a copy of thepiratebay? why shouldn’t someone make a copy of mininova?
You know… I do not get why noone hasn’t flipped out already and shot or bombed the likes of the MPAA/RIAA. I mean, I would ofcourse not condone such a thing, but these people are such a devastating influence on the creative market, now that the internet has become THE way to distribute entertainment or any other form of materials, that I do simply not understand why 4 cops are shot in a coffeeshop and hundreds are killed daily in everyday life, but those people seem to be able to walk around without any consequence.
Did you know that when amazon sells a book for 27 dollar, and later sells it for 9 dollar to its ebook users, the author makes no less or more money? Its all covered in the contracts that way. Neither does the publisher. But from those parts, the publisher receives the most. And the rest goes to taxes AND the so-called RIAA/MPAA “protectors of”…
Funny thing is, that when I, as a pop-icon, step up and say: screw you RIAA etc. You are NOT needed OR entitled to “protect” my work, they still go their effing way. So THEY are stealing from me. Noone else is.
Isn’t the federal government supposed to protect us from these mafia practices? I mean, if I were to step up and call myself a “copyright protector -protector” and take away the RIAA/MPAA’s income since they clearly are incompetent in every way imaginable and even blackmail/pressure artists that are saying: NO! PAWS OF MY WORKS FOR THE MPAA/RIAA/BREIN etc. In which case I really would be protecting the interests of the author(s), then I would be considered an outlaw. While in reality they are themselves no different.
Again… I wonder why noone….
The argument that torrents are used by terrorists is scary. The anti-piracy groups could then try to use the patriot act and similar laws in other countries to end-run just about all our rights and freedoms. I can see it now gitmo filled with file sharers, no rights, no trail you just disappear.
i’m sorry but this article is a piece of junk. it’s like saying there’s a way the hunter and the rabbit can co-operate.
pirates and anti-pirates (as the names suggest) have the *opposite* goals. pirates want content for free, and anti-pirates want to erase content sharing portals from the world.
no, they don’t want to remove 1 or 2 torrents. they want to handle them on a massive basis. they want them ALL to be removed. just look how they still go after TPB. and look at their demands regarding mininova… 100% filtering system? how stupid you are? of course there are no 100% solutions in the IT! what is it for, then? it’s in other words: remove everything or we ruin your lives. that’s all.
what the anti-pirates still fail to understand is that there’s a DEMAND for these services. and as long as it exists, there will be supply too. they can kill 1000 sites, there will be 10000 new shortly. coz again, there’s no 100% solution. they can’t control everyone in this world.
if you want to do something serious (run a tracker or so) go to a developing country where there are still more important tasks than copyright claims, like deciding which neighbour to invade and things like that.
in this “liberal” (read: jew) world every judge and politican has a price tag, so there’s no escape.
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Cover your backsides,keep a low profile and hope for the best.I am not sure that there is any common ground to meet on.They just want to shut us all down.
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I do understand about the software and movies and music which are sold.But I have cable tv and a dvr to record my tv shows, and I still find it easier to drop them then watch them when I want. Before the dvr I use to tape stuff and such, I dont see why aired tv show should have a problem .
@110 kalen rivers:
Regarding live content distribution, we have this over the years:
Cassette Tape -> VHS -> DVR -> Torrent
All part of the same line. Problem is, the step size between the last two is very big, because it takes too much power out of content owner.
It will eventually settle out. People will laugh about this in the future.
I couldn’t agree more. The next big p2p network will have to learn from all of this. Maybe people should not use p2p for a while but instead we need to find a new method. Who knows what that might be.
For more news and other infomation on this go to extrabyte.blogspot.com and check it out lol
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