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Megaupload Assisted FBI vs NinjaVideo, But Evidence Then Used Against Them

In 2010, individuals from the now-defunct NinjaVideo site stored copyright-infringing videos on the servers of Megaupload. These subsequently came to the attention of the FBI who were conducting an investigation into NinjaVideo and its operators. As a result Megaupload was served with a criminal search warrant requiring it to hand over information to the authorities, but in a cruel twist Megaupload’s cooperation and a desire not to destroy evidence is now being used as evidence against it.

The February 2012 “Superseding Indictment” document, which lays out the Grand Jury charges against Megaupload, runs to 90-pages long and contains dozens of allegations of illegal behavior against the operators of the now-shuttered file-hosting site.

As outlined in our discussions this week, Dotcom says that some of the allegations are misleading, particularly one claiming that Megaupload failed to delete infringing video files from its servers.

“A member of the Mega Conspiracy informed several of his co-conspirators [in 2010] that he located the named files using internal searches of the Mega Conspiracy’s systems,” the DoJ wrote.

“As of November, 18 2011, thirty-six or the thirty-nine infringing copies of the copyrighted motion pictures were still being stored on servers controlled by the Mega Conspiracy.”

Out of context the claim, that Megaupload ignores the DMCA, looks bad. However, when the full picture is put forward – that Megaupload found these files because a criminal search warrant from the FBI required them to do so – things start to look quite different.

And the plot thickens. Wired has discovered that the infringing files were put on Megaupload’s servers by individuals connected to the now-defunct streaming video site NinjaVideo.

The FBI were conducting a criminal investigation into NinjaVideo (which later resulted in several of its operators going to jail) and required Megaupload’s cooperation after serving the company with a search warrant in June 2010, just days before NinjaVideo was raided.

“Megaupload complied with the warrant and cooperated with the government’s request,” Megaupload lawyer Ira Rothken confirms.

According to Kim Dotcom, the FBI made it clear that the warrant should be kept quiet so as not to jeopardize the NinjaVideo inquiry.

“The agent was concerned that the target could be warned and that this needs to be handled confidentially,” Dotcom informs TorrentFreak.

The Megaupload founder says that this warning was taken seriously and that since the files were clearly evidence in the case none of them were interfered with.

“Obviously when the FBI contacted us they made this clear to us and therefore we did not touch the accounts or the files,” he says.

“We even emailed back to Carpathia [Megaupload's US server host] to ask the FBI (and the FBI had our emails before asking for the Mega domain seizure) if we should do anything about those files. We never got a response.”

But the criminal investigation against NinjaVideo and evidential issues in that respect were pushed aside when it came to building a case against Megaupload and seizing its domain.

“To use this against us and to tell a Judge that the Megaupload domain seizure is justified because we have not removed those 39 files is totally unethical and misleading,” Dotcom concludes.

The fact that the infringing files remained on Mega’s leased servers led the U.S. government to claim that Megaupload infringed copyright, despite the company having been served the original NinjaVideo search warrant as the site’s service provider, one that presumably should have received safe-harbor protection under the DMCA.

As previously reported, NinjaVideo founder Hana Beshara was eventually sentenced to 22 months in jail and ordered to repay almost $210,000.

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  • Ray186

    F-ed if you do, F-ed if you don’t. I hope everyone is taking notes on how to deal with the FBI if approached.

    • Anonymous

      my thoughts exactly. the trouble with law enforcement, when it is ‘enforcing’ on behalf of a particular industry, especially when those running that industry are best buddies with those running the law enforcement agency, is you are expected to do as told to assist but then yourself get charged in return. with this info now out, i bet Kim is as popular as a fart in a space suit with other hosting sites, being looked at as a ‘grass’, when, at the time, he had no option but to comply. had the outcome been known, i am sure he would have warned Ninja in a heartbeat! i suspect he knows what to do if given the chance in the future when the new site is operational.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Yeah: Refuse to cooperate and point out that you are not based in the United States so you have NO responsibility to help them.

      • Whatever

        No, the only thing he needed to do was to ignore this ‘request’:
        “the FBI made it clear that the warrant should be kept quiet”

        Otherwise he could have been accused of a whole range of things.

        Pasting it all over the internet news sites would have been sufficient (proof) and they wouldn’t have been able to hold it against him. Even if the warrant would contain a requirement of secrecy i doubt it would be possible to enforce it before signing a NDA. And to get into further speculation, a secret warrent might be challanged in court before any cooperation.

        If any law enforcement wants you to keep a secret there is something fishy going on.

        Maybe this time everyone will finally know “cooperation is futile, you will be sued anyway”.

        BTW: With the US payouts in the millions for more trivial cases to the opponent, this could end up in the billions/trillions. Future headline: “Kim causes US bankrupcy after DOJ most expensive mistake ever”.

        • Revan343

          Implying that the US is not already bankrupt.

    • thedude321

      The FBI is like the new Gestapo of the world.

    • JordanKratz

      Fat Bellied Ignoramuses !
      Proceed with Caution when dealing with these Animals.
      And Do not Feed or Touch the Animals.

      • Nick

        Thank you for your intelligent and considered discourse on the matter.

    • chronoss

      here is how the united hackers association dealt with them in 1999
      we said go fuck yourself
      they attacked us for a week then failing that ddosed us for a week then failing that went away….
      hahahaahahahahahaahahaa

      • IDIOCRACY

        What stuff did you take today, man… can you try to make some sense here? Maybe you could use correct grammar and capitals and punctuations please?

        • chronoss

          are you 5 cant understand it , usually a sign your a fed or lawyer
          how about i never use grammer or punctuation JUST cause i dont want too…and i know it annoys you hahahaha

        • IDIOCRACY

          @ chronoss
          No fed, no lawyer, just not a native English speaker, and my colleague is, but he was reading at the same screen and told me what I typed…. to be clear, I typed it because I agree, you made (make) no sense..

    • 386ts231e21

      Murder-suicide ?

    • xpmule

      Problem is though is too many little pieces of shit think its acceptable to rat people out. So when the FBI comes a knocking i bet most pricks out there will hand your ass over on a silver platter.. Don’t trust your internet friends.. i never have and never will ;)
      And sure i happen to know a bit about it..
      A pc game cracking group i worked with had its leader arrested and convicted by the FBI probably within 6 months of me quiting the group.
      And i quit the group because of members caught stealing code from other crackers and justifying it saying its perfectly.. Hence my departure..
      I expect little from internet douche bags.. no class and no respect, its full of greedy sleazy balls that want attention and money and will smile at you while they slit your throat !

      I grew up being taught by my parents who were heavy in to criminal activity that you do not rat on people period. And say what you want about that but i had pretty much all my teachers in school etc say the same thing. far too many times i was in trouble for something and many times i got away with stuff while some other guy got bitched out by a teacher or principal for being a little rat lol

      To all those out there that think its acceptable to be a rat be warned..
      Most jail guards will turn their back and let people have their way with you.
      Cops, Judges, lawyers, Jail Guards all respect people but they do NOT respect rats and when your being dealt with don’t expect much help or sympathy from them.. your on your own.
      And its common knowledge that in any prison in the world has the same rules.. When you find a pedo or a rat you beat his ass before someone else beats you to it. Like it or not that is how the planet revolves.
      Its teh same concept where Jef Dammer was killed as soon as he was put in general population.. they should have left him in PC or kept him in the hole etc

      And guys spare me the crap i didn’t make the rules..
      I’m just pointing out what they are because most privileged little brats online have no idea what jail is like until its too late. There is no excuses for being a rat, accept the risk or don’t do it.

    • Milesinan

      This only shows not to cooperate with police in any way
      whenever they tell you “just snitch on X and you will be free”
      it is never true – when they finish their job with X they will come back for you too

  • KDC-TRAITOR

    And Kim Dotcom isn’t doing anything for “freedom fighting” and all that other nonsense he’s trying to portray himself as. It’s all $.

    Let’s not forget that Kim was ready to go after his competitors in the same industry as him, because they were taking some of the cake that makes him so fat – Read the indictment of him going after Filesonic, Hotfile and others.

    This guy is no saint.

    • Anonymous

      Lol MAFIAA troll.

      • KDC-TRAITOR

        How? Explain how I’m a MAFIAA troll? Everything I just wrote is true.

        He did go after his competitors and all this freedom fighting BS, he just came up with to win the public opinion. Win it outside the court and you’re likely to win inside. He grassed up on Ninja…He’s a supergrass at its best. Snitch.

        • Danny

          Actually it was your bosses at the MAFIAA that have painted him out to be the good guy in this case by pursuing him with these antics.

          Nobody here is calling him a saint, but his treatment by the US government and the FBI is terrible. Nobody in a civilised society should be treated like this (guilty without evidence).

        • icec0ld

          Maybe if the FBI and proseccution in general didn’t come off as even bigger swinging dicks than dotcom public opinion would sway?

          Slapping bogus warrants on the case.
          Entrapment.
          The awareness and subsequent ignoring of legit user data storage.
          The anti terror, al-queda style raid.
          The attempts to extradite someone for crimes for a trail in “their ball park”.

          If you want to talk public opinion, dotcom didn’t earn it. The FBI and NZ government have done an astounding job of making him look the victim here regardless of the facts, all of which btw point to this clearly being the case.

        • Whatever

          Even if he would/did that, i would suggest the following applies:

          The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

        • Mat_t

          Really? When did he go after his competitors, ever?

          You seem to believe Kim is some evil ass dude, and have posted about it like 20 times in here. he may be retarded and a little overbearing/showy, but that doesn’t make him evil or anti-competitive.

    • Colin Carr

      If by,”going after his competition”, you mean planning to launch fully legal services to compete with them, I’ll agree that’s true. However, unlike the f***ing MAFIAA, he didn’t get buddy boy Biden to to set up an entirely illegal shutdown of their companies.

      You may struggle to see the difference, but the former is what free market capitalism is ‘supposed’ to be about – offering choices to consumers. By contrast, the latter is what the Mafia (as in Al Capone) and the MAFIAA (as in Chris Dodd) do to eliminate competition. Only Dodd may just havefF***ed himself and his buddies in taking on KDC.

      • KDC-TRAITOR

        You fucking moron. Go read the indictment. KDC was planning on civil suing Hotfile, Filesonic, Fileserve and a few others.

        • MadAsASnake

          Reference Please

        • KDC-TRAITOR

          Sorry. 51*

          Letter to Paypal.

        • MadAsASnake

          @KDC OK… sounds like DotCom is concerned that that behaviour will draw unwelcome attention to cloud hosting per-se. Mega was a business and this is pretty standard stuff. It is difficult to see how it is relevant to the DOJ case though – it’s exactly the opposite of the claim the Mega paid known uploaders.

        • KDC-TRAITOR

          @Mad: There’s no justification for the actions he did.

          First a lawsuit against his competitors (and for what good, besides PERSONAL gain, again), then now we find out he was the supergrass that got Ninja in jail. You don’t throw with rocks……

        • MadAsASnake

          @KDC. There are two things going on here:
          1 – The FBI was clearly well advanced with their investigations – it is doubtful that anything KDC could have done would have changed that. Nor is it unreasonable for KDC to co-operate at a basic level with law enforcement authorities in a country his business did have operations in.
          2 – The real story here is the scale and scope of the extra-judicial takedown, and wilful blindness being shown by all sorts of organisations that you should expect to behave better. These documents help show just how little justification there was. There is more reason to take out many other businesses (like banks, media companies and so on) which are left unmolested. It is pretty clear that MPAA / RIAA bribery in Washington is a large part of the problem.

          Now I for one have a problem with this. I do not use cloud storage as I do not consider it reliable. It is a shame as it is a common sense technology. Whether or not the businesses are secure is trivial in comparison to the problems the abuses by DOJ et al. bring. What you think of DotCom is irrelevant here – if we don’t fight for our rights and the rule of law for everyone, then we loose them for everyone. Encouraging this crap when the victim is someone you don’t like is not bright. It is clear that DOJ and Dodd are going to get a real kicking in this fight and in this regard I applaud DotCom for standing his ground.

          As for the other cloud services, I bet they are more worried about the DOJ (especially now) that they ever were about DotCom.

        • KDC-TRAITOR

          @Mad: Never encouraged anything. I’m pointing out the black and white facts that KDC is no saint. He’s a doublestandard guy who got his ass in the meatgrinder. It is the IRONY of the whole story that he went after OTHERS (his competition), yet he’s in the quicksand and being taken to the cleaners.

          DOJ and Dodd got their hands full with Mega…And it looks like they put a stop to a lot of cyberlockers which was their ultimate goal by taking out KDC.

        • Mat_t

          “planning”?

          where do you come up with that? Show actual proof, or go the fuck away you MAFIA shill.

        • Colin Carr

          …KDC was planning on suing…
          I wouldn’t regard an indictment from a terminally corrupt DoJ as a reliable source. How did they ‘know’ he was planning? Telepathy?
          By the way, calling me (or anyone else) names weakens rather than strengthens your argument.

        • KDC-TRAITOR

          @Colin: In an indictment you need to have substantial evidence of that. The email to Paypal was not fabricated by the FBI or DOJ. If it was, this would have been challenged by his lawyers already. It was fabricated by KDC himself, so yes, he was going after his competition as they took part of his profits. I guess the $8M USD yacht trip to Monaco couldn’t happen this year or next year….

      • KDC-TRAITOR

        Page 50 of the indictment:
        scribd.com/doc/78786408/Mega-Indictment

        • MadAsASnake

          There is NOTHING on p50 that is relevant to your statement. Please quote and explain.

        • Mat_t

          page 50 talks about search, and nothing about going after anyone else.you’re fuckin crazy.

        • KDC-TRAITOR

          @Mat_t: Do I need to spoonfeed you. If you had read the WHOLE indictment you would have come across Page 51.

    • Guest

      You’re a MAFIAA troll because you’re saying that Dotcom’s fight against the corrupt DOJ, FBI, and copyright industry does nothing for freedom fighting.

      Really? Fighting against our oppressors does nothing for freedom fighting?

      GTFO, troll.

      • KDC-TRAITOR

        He’s only fighting now when his asscheeks is in their meatgrinder. If you followed my previous post regarding the indictment he thought, because he’s doing exactly the same business and have been in it for longer, he can bully the others, e.g. his competition. He’s a troll and you’re an idiot for not being able to put 1+1 together.

        • MadAsASnake

          I take it you agree with kidnapping people and detaining them in Guantanamo Bay without trial, or representation?

        • Mat_t

          when has he bullied anyone? you keep talking like this is fact, when there is no such fact.

        • KDC-TRAITOR

          @MadAsASnake: Guantanamo and Waterboarding vs. Kiwi Prison is like comparing monsters and apples. I never agreed with the tactics of how this operation went down.

      • KDC-TRAITOR

        @Mat_T: Page 51 on the scribd. Keep talking shit and read the indictment.

        The DOJ may have written a Hollywood story surrounding that one, but they pull facts that are clearly evident that KDC was planning to sue.

        • Guest

          The way you talk to and treat people in your comments makes you come across as a bully.

  • Edward Blackbeard Thatch

    some third world country with no love of, or for, the west is missing out on an opportunity to rake in cash as a pirate friendly country and haven.

  • BuddhaFacePalmed

    This feel like one of Rick Falkvinge’s worst case scenarios where documenting child abuse as evidence can get one arrested on child pornography possession charges.

    So, kudos to USA for showing the world how FUBAR your justice system is.

    • chronoss

      or the two founders of the pirate bay and PRQ hosting a child molestation advocacy groups website?
      ya pretty fucke dup shit aint it all….

      • Anyone

        get some help already
        your paedophilia obsession is annoying

        • OccamsKatana

          His comment didn’t appear to be pedophilia obsessed, it appeared to be a reply to BuddhaFacePalmed’s comment on child pornography. Why are Chronoss’ comments being censored? So much for freedom of speech!!!!!!! I enjoy seeing both sides to an argument. But….. his comments are being spammed out by people that don’t share his views. Sad, really…. Didn’t know we could do that here. Censor someone that we disagree with. If this continues, we won’t have a forum left. Instead, we should have a DISLIKE button as well as a like. Express your freedom of speech by saying you disagree with the comment. NOT CENSORING IT!

        • Anyone

          it’s flagged for spam because many users clicked on that button, that’s automatic
          when a moderator comes around it will probably be unlocked again

          and he always spams the comments with how PRQ promote paedophilia because they (used to?) host the NAMBLA website and publicly defended doing so because of freedom of speech
          but chronoss doesn’t believe in freedom of speech, if it is speech he disagrees with

        • OccamsKatana

          LOL! but don’t play his game then, If you censor his comments (you being plural as in the populous) then you are as bad as him for not liking his free speech. He is entitled to not like whatever he chooses, whether it goes against another’s beliefs or not.

          Many users may disagree with his point of view. That’s cool. Express it in words. I hate when I can’t see the other side of the argument, even it it doesn’t have merit, which I’m not saying his does or doesn’t.

          This system of censoring needs to change here where we fight for freedom of speech. That is what we’re fighting for, isn’t it? I dunno. I just like to fight! LOL!

        • Freedom of Speech

          Both BuddhaFacePalmed and Rick Falkvinge [see falkvinge(dot)net - very insightful!] are completely correct re: child pornography & free speech.

      • IDIOCRACY

        Before shouting child molestation advocacy, you might want to read up some issues about the Christian churches lately, then you might want to read up on the declaration of independence and than on human rights.

        If you did all that, you would not have commented this way. First to make clear, no one should ever touch a child improperly, second, that may however never be a reason to take away the right we have fought for centuries ago. If freedom of speech means that a minister of a church can download and upload CP, so be it, that is the price you pay for freedom. If you are not being able to catch a criminal because of civil rights, so be it……

        Remember the law is there in the very and only first place to protect the innocent and ONLY in the second place to catch and convict the criminals and ones that break the law. If the second on violates the first one, it should not be done.

        That is where millions of people died for, to guarantee that protection.

        • OccamsKatana

          You obviously don’t have children and confuse freedom of speech with criminally harming a minor. Child pornography is made from the abuses of children. They are non-consenting and do not agree to be raped for the pictures. As well, Trading in SNUFF ‘art’ does not constitute freedom of speech. (not that it was ever mentioned here, but stressing the point!)

          I absolutely believe in freedom of speech, but we should also be free of hate speech, and also have the right to protect our children. If child pornography of one of my children being raped was pasted all over the internet, and drooled over by freaks, I would certainly want to find the original poster and express my freedom of speech on his skull repeatedly.

          Is it ok, if freedom of speech spreads nasty lies about you? I think that’s slander, libel if it’s written. Freedom of speech is great! Freedom of expression as well. Freedom of choice is paramount! But what about when those freedoms infringe on the freedoms of someone else???

          People get shot and killed for trespassing. Walking on the wrong side of a fence. Wouldn’t they just be expressing their freedom to speak on THAT side of the fence?

          We have laws because some people don’t have enough common sense to know the difference between right and wrong. Murder is wrong….. unless I catch you spreading child pornography of MY children.

          There will always be advocates for both sides of the argument. Both sides have valid views, but in the interest of the majority, or the ones that don’t know any fucking better, we have laws.

          That being said, some laws are really fucked up. Not being able to share music, books, art…… that’s wrong. Eventually it’ll be a crime to have book clubs, talk about movies, hum a bloody song in your head. Once again, common sense…… but these idiots with the fat wallets buy their laws, and THAT has to stop.

          Luckily it’s not the child porn advocates with the fat wallets. I’d hate to see the day when it’s ok to rape a 2 year old.

        • Freedom of Speech

          Excellent post, IDIOCRACY. OccamsKatana, you confuse violence with legality. Should you act upon the violent urges you describe, the odds are good that you will be imprisoned for a very long time with several very large and muscular cellmates who were just starving for sexual variety until you arrived to join them as their new bitch.

        • OccamsKatana

          @Freedom Of Speech

          Excellent post, IDIOCRACY. OccamsKatana, you confuse violence with legality. Should you act upon the violent urges you describe, the odds are good that you will be imprisoned for a very long time with several very large and muscular cellmates who were just starving for sexual variety until you arrived to join them as their new bitch.

          LOL! You may be right, but who says I’m not a very large, muscular man myself with almost 30 years of martial arts under his belt(s!) There are two kinds of people in jail… the fuckers and the fuckees. I’m NOT the latter.

          And to set the record straight, it wouldn’t be ACTING upon violent urges, but REACTING to pedophiles fucking with my family. Big difference I think. I never meant to insinuate that I’d go out looking to bust skulls without provocation. I meant to insinuate that I would bust the skulls of anyone hurting my family. In Defence…. But to be very clear, yes, someone hurts my family and I will rain violence down like you never dreamed existed. It’s my job as top protector of my family. Don’t you agree? Or would you allow your children to be raped?

          Don’t know what this has to do with downloading music, but hey…. the pedophile defence league to the rescue…..

          Now, that being said, would you defend you beliefs to the best of your ability? Your family? C’mon….. tell the truth. You seem pretty opinionated about my violent nature. How far would YOU go to protect what YOU believe in? If you don’t include violence in there, I call you a liar and a coward. If it weren’t so, you wouldn’t have an opinion, but you do, and are willing to express it. Now, how far would you take it? Fight brother, fight!!!!! Fight for YOUR Freedom of Speech at the very least!

        • OccamsKatana

          @Freedom of Speech

          On that going to jail note, let’s clarify: In prison, what is the biggest scumball there? The ones HATED by every inmate? The ones that are hunted and have to be kept segregated from other inmates, lest they be torn to shreds? YUP, child molesters, child rapists, any crime to do with children. WHY? Because it’s sick. Children are defenceless. You aren’t. Hypothetically, if I were to kick the living shit out of a person that raped my child, and IF I were convicted of the violence imposed, I can tell you that I would be a GOD in prison. Top man on the totem pole. Ask around….. See how well people that do harm to children are respected. Remember, I have said REACT with violence if someone hurts my children, not ACT out violent tendencies.

          I still swear that anyone that says they would allow their children to be hurt needs that beating themselves. Why would anyone allow their child to be raped and have that garbage put on the internet, or be spoken of with others? Advocating freedom of speech is not the same as advocating the abuse of children. Sharing child porn is NOT freedom of speech. It’s a crime.

        • Freedom of Speech

          @ OccamsKatana – Apparently you have great difficulty distinguishing between speech and conduct. Rape is conduct which is and should be illegal. Data (in all its forms – text, pictures, audio, video, etc) is not conduct and is legally protected as free speech. Your lengthy diatribes about conduct you dislike which relates to your own violent tendencies are irrelevant to the topic of free speech.

          Killing someone is the most despicable type of criminal conduct. However, video of a person being killed is perfectly legal. In fact, there are many examples in which police have been unable to solve a case of criminal conduct, and the case has instead been solved by citizens who viewed video of the illegal conduct and used their own knowledge to identify aspects of the situation which led to arrests and convictions.

  • Kevin Grech

    My guess is the USA is perparing a take-over of the world. Politically using “democracy”, economically using conditional international trade routes and military using weapon development that can reach anywhere of the world.

    I don’t want to live on this planet anymore. But I lack resources, funding and alternative locations to where to go.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      I doubt that highly. If anyone is planning something like that, it’s most likely China.

      • Johnwilksonusanow

        USA is NR1. The land of the proud and the free.
        Be a patrioit and support the USA government.
        All bad things come from countries such as IRAN, CHINA, RUSSIA & NORTH KOREA.

        • chronoss

          the land of the proud and home of “9.99 at walmart”
          there fixed it for you

        • 3rd Rock

          The land of the “Fee” and the home of the “Slave”.

        • Rebel

          and your brain is not totally washed out *sigh*
          btw I’m Russian and we have many good things here, really

    • icec0ld

      USA has very little economic power. The real economic power in the world is China. As it stands, the US is an aging beast lashing at anything it can reach in a vain attempt to look relevant in a now changed world, one that no longer needs or even wants it around any more.

      As it stands the US’s power is but the shadow of the prestige it once held. Now it’s a dinosaur whos time has come and we but have to wait for it realise this.

      • chronoss

        haha USA has 16 trillion + debt and obama’s plan is to add 5 trillion more and thats saying they agree before january otherwise the USA economy takes a 4.5 % NOSE DIVE and the fun really begins.

        me thinks the rich in the usa are laughing cause they ripped those trillions out and can sit around on it for decades…..

    • chronoss

      you aint taking over hte world if you cant buy anything…
      haha your boned

      look up that socialist state norway
      600 billion in da bank and owns 1% of every stockmarket
      free health care etc.

      THAT is what you could have had….but hey january isn’t far off….
      4.5% economic nose dive here you go

  • rory

    Ah, the price of servitude.

  • rory

    On another note, most of these guys are on the dole so…yeah…

  • 1hhh1

    You all,conveniently,forget we are supposed to buy Dvd’s,CD’s ect,we prefer stealing them.Every time we download copyrighted works we are in fact stealing.

    • Fredrika

      > “You all,conveniently,forget..”

      No.

      > “..we are supposed to buy Dvd’s,CD’s ect..”

      No.

      > “..we prefer stealing them.”

      No.

      > “Every time we download copyrighted works we are in fact stealing.”

      No.

      Any other misconceptions you had on your mind?

    • Anyone

      making a copy is not stealing

      stop trolling

    • Spike

      Data is data, depending on the computer and type of algorithm, there may or may not be something useful in that data. Its all just a bunch of 1′s and 0′s in the end.

      Physical items you walk into a store and deprive someone ownership of by walking out without paying for it.

      Quite similar I think? LOL

    • Gee

      Stealing is when I go into HMV and pocket a couple CD’s.

  • The_Strawbear

    Didn’t we have this story a couple of days ago?

    • MadAsASnake

      Yes – but we didn’t know that it was NinjaVideo.

      • KDC-TRAITOR

        Page 51 in the Indictment.

        So not only did he go after his competitors, but he grassed on Ninjavideo and sent 5 people behind bars; doomed for the rest of their lives. Criminal record and owing some assholes a ton of money.

        KDC doesn’t deserve one penny back that was confiscated.

        • Mat_t

          yeah ok MAFIAA troll.

          He followed what was required by law, that wasn’t gassing ninjavideo.

          ninjavideo didn’t deserve what they got, but that’s mostly because they all caved in court. That’s not because of mega.

        • IDIOCRACY

          I guess what you say makes sense and I actually agree, I don’t believe that you are trolling, however you might need to clarify in your statement that the way the MU case is handled, is wrong and should have never happened. The fact that KDC is a greasy fat pig that screws his competitors, is not a valid reason for suing him and killing his company the way US DOj did. And THAT is what this all is about.

        • KDC-TRAITOR

          @Idiocracy: I never mentioned that the raid, the jail time he served etc. was justified or in all fairness, FAIR. I’m pointing out that he believes he’s a BULLY, now he’s getting BULLIED by a superpower. It’s weird how you think you can bully others while not getting picked on. He got the ultimate death sentence there for even trying to poke Hollywood AND his competitors.

          All that aside, this article just reveals that he always thought he was the almighty one and couldn’t be kicked off the pedestal.

        • MadAsASnake

          Kim Dotcom did not instigate the prosecution against NinjaVideo. Nor did he go to the FBI – other way around. DotCom was running a business – no more no less – KDC deserves EVERY CENT to be return + damages, because the seizure amounts pretty much to theft.

        • Guest

          It is not against the law to sue you competitors if you have grounds to sue them and as for grassing he was given a warrant to reveal the names etc. of those who had these files and was told to cooperate and keep quiet and not touch the evidence which he clearly cooperated. If he had not cooperated then he would have been in trouble himself for not cooperating which most people would not to be in a position in and so he cooperated. To cooperate is not grassing. Seems you have a problem with this guy for cooperating.

  • Gmail

    Like I have said… mother fucker is not getting my files again. Rot in prison for all I care.

  • chronoss

    so let me get this straight this Kim dot com , helps the fbi and then gets fucked by them and ….oh torrent freak thinks hes news worthy after all this bullshit

    he needs to fucking die also the rat…and the fbi
    and im not gonna use grammer and punctuation cause ii know it annoys lawyers , feds and wankers that need to have evidence gathering procedures….( yup i know whom you are fucktards and why you want people to spell properly)

    • IDIOCRACY

      I think he is news worthy too, the whole case is about your civil rights being trampled upon by the FBI / DOj / government, that why everything in this case against this greasy fat traitorous pig is news, so let it be clear the guy is no saint, that does not mean he can be treated like this, today it is him, maybe you tomorrow?? Think before you write some bullshit about feds and lawyers and spelling, get your tinfoil hat off. Now you sound like a moron (and I got the impression you want us to believe otherwise???). hehe

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      Get an FBI warrant. You comply. Normal if your an established business protected by DMCA Safe Harbors.

      What’s not normal is for the FBI to sue you later complaining that you obeyed its warrant….

  • Violated0

    More damning evidence that the FBI does not know what it is doing. A case of this magnitude normally takes 10 years in planning to ensure a rock solid case; In this example though this is clearly a political attack that just slapped together any and all garbage to throw at Mega.

    So now that the so called evidence slowly begins to emerge it quickly gets discredited as the FBI told us to do this and now the FBI blame us for doing it. Let me point out something else though when Mega has to deal with Police investigations for most countries on this planet meaning it is quite likely that the FBI now blame Mega for what foreign crime investigation services told them to do.

    We can be begin to see that the full evidence behind the FBI’s claims is fully needed when at this point in time it would surprise me none if all their evidence was incompetence generated bullshit.

  • waaminn

    Wow man that whole thing sounds kidna crazy to me dude. Seriously.
    http://www.Anon-Max.tk

  • Redrave

    I feel like President Lincoln in WKUK’s re-enactment:
    Now ya @#$%ed up! Now ya @#$%ed up! You have @#$%ed up now!

  • http://twitter.com/JerkfaceMcGee Jerkface McGee

    Jesus Christ, at least call the company by its actual business name regardless if you approve of what they do or not.

    If you got Hollywood’s cum in your mouth we don’t call the FBI a bunch of cum garglers

  • Who

    sounds like a bait and switch to me. BTW that’s Illegal.
    the RIAA/MPAA/FBI/US government are breaking laws to just be able to enforce the DMCA. witch isn’t a real law. it was made up by the MPAA/RIAA to try and stop the copying of there media.

    @redrave: IF President Lincoln were still alive and President, he would NOT stand for ANY of this SHIT.

    • Anon

      “IF President Lincoln were still alive and President, he would NOT stand for ANY of this SHIT.”

      I think that’s true. Had Lincoln seen the sorry excuses pirates give for breaking the law and infringing other people’s rights over and over exploiting stealth and even using other people’s wifi to break the law he would have passed the laws he needed and cleaned piracy crap out in no time. Fortunately, today we have a more regimented and observed system of justice that gives you time to keep stealing before, like Ninja, they fine you and put you away for 22 months. lol

      • Who

        ya and go after you to for supporting the DMCA/FBI/RIAA/MPAA for the DICK you are!

        FUCK OFF COPY COPY WRONG TROLL!!

    • ScrewEwe2

      President Lincoln would go after these bloodsuckers like the Vampires they are. Most people know that Lincoln was a famous Vampire and Zombie hunter.

      http://www.sketchypictures.com/media/2012/06/abraham-lincoln-vampire-hunter-doodle.jpg

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  • Guest

    Dotcom’s extradition will now possibly be pushed back from March to July now. Either there is not enough evidence gathered by the US or they are trying to get out of not complying with the NZ court ruling that they have to give fuller disclosure of evidence. It seems that by stalling they really don’t have a case because if they had a case they will be smashing down walls to get this case to trial.

    • KDC-TRAITOR

      Expect a verdict in 2-5 more years. Have fun with lawyer fees. The US Govt. got plenty of that…A very deep pocket indeed.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/terrence.a.davis1 Terrence Andrew Davis

    God is just. Persecution brings blessings. God says, “lures arrange slighting since closes Sodom Is_that_so unseemly deeply scoffing lives “

    • Roachdaddy

      What

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  • TJkant

    Damn lawyer and FBI pigs… Cheating and lying their way around…Typical gov horse shit.

  • Fake

    So Big Brother knows everything, they just want you to admit it so they can go easy on you?

    That’s total BS.

    They are the unwitting thugs of the biggest organized crime syndicate.

    During Alcohol Prohibition, police & FBI field agents died in the streets to stop alcohol but the reality is most of it was still produced in the US and even the President served it in the White House.

    Today the same is true for coke. CEOs are high from CIA supplied coke all the time while local police die fighting it.

    The FBI will chase people around the world for copies of songs that are played on the radio for free while banks are destroying our civilization.

    Police, FBI agents and soldiers need to realized they are being used by the biggest organized crime syndicate in the world – government.

  • Mc

    Seeing as Kims major complaint about his legal trouble is lack of jurisdiction, for him to be helping out the feds when it suits him and sell another group of people up the river, even with that same lack of FBI jurisdiction, doesnt reflect well on him. If fact it positively makes him look like a duplicitous scumbag imo. However, no matter how bad he looks from this, the US comes out looking worse and im still rooting for him in the bullshit mega case. Seriously, he could reveal that he used to eat babies for breakfast and he would still be the lesser evil compared to the US. Thats how bad the feds have fucked up PR wise. Problem is they dont care because they are the feds and they do what they want. And thats why we have a judiciary.

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  • Henry

    The story is all wrong – Ninja wasnt investigated by the FBI. It was DHS – two different agencies often at odds with each other.

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