MPAA Fires Three Anti Piracy Bosses

Written by Ernesto on October 17, 2009 

The MPAA is currently involved in legal battles against several BitTorrent sites. Last year Hollywood’s lobby organization booked a victory in court when they managed to shut TorrentSpy down, but despite these efforts the studio bosses are still not satisfied. Three of the MPAA’s anti-piracy leaders have now been fired.

mpaaEarlier this year we reported that MPAA President Dan Glickman is likely to be thrown out after his contract ends in 2010. Unlike his predecessor, Jack Valenti, who held the office for 38 years, the studio heads plan to ditch Glickman after just 6 years.

However, Glickman is not the only one to be critiqued by Hollywood’s bosses. Cnet reports that the MPAA has already fired three leaders of its anti-piracy operations. The MPAA’s general counsel Greg Goeckner has been told to leave at the end of the year, and their director of worldwide anti-piracy operations and the deputy director of Internet anti-piracy have also been fired.

Sources in the film industry said that the three were thrown out because the anti-piracy operations of the MPAA were unsatisfactory, and “lacked aggressiveness.” The MPAA’s anti-piracy division will not cease its activities though, but in addition to the layoffs it will remove the term ‘anti-piracy’ from its name and replace it with ‘content protection’.

Under their new name they will continue to go after the BitTorrent site isoHunt – whose owner they promised to hunt down for life – and other sites they believe are a cause of movie industry losses. Unlike the RIAA, the MPAA has refrained from going after individual downloaders, and thus far there has been no indication that this will change anytime soon.

Legal battles aside, the main task of the MPAA will be to lobby for tougher anti-piracy legislation, a role that is now mostly fulfilled by music industry trade groups such as the BPI and IFPI.

The current layoffs are most likely the result of the rapidly increasing piracy rate of movies. However, instead of changing their name and replacing a few heads, the movie studio bosses have to consider whether legislating and lobbying is the right move to beat piracy. Maybe they should consider adapting to the digital era by making it easy for consumers to download legally at reasonable prices.

Previously: Parliamentary Comms Group Says ‘No’ to UK 3-Strikes

Next: TV Boss Set To Drop A File-Sharing Bomb On Digital Britain

85 Responses

1 Oct 17, 2009 at 21:39 by Nef

Go ahead, fire whomever you want´you still can´t beat us.

2 Oct 17, 2009 at 21:39 by www.eZee.se

“it will remove the term ‘anti-piracy’ from its name and replace it with ‘content protection’.”

Calling a piece of sh!t by any other name does not mean its not a piece of sh!t

3 Oct 17, 2009 at 21:40 by hardcore pornography

:P

4 Oct 17, 2009 at 21:48 by Aerilus

I like there tactics. whenever your name becomes synonymous with evil, change your name it makes perfect sense to me. why change being evil its more expensive than replacing stationary

5 Oct 17, 2009 at 21:55 by Soundwave (Have A Cigar)

They are very predictable once they make a decision, it won’t change for years.

What I think is funny is these so called ‘losses’. So if I download a movie, they loose money? Please explain how that is even possible.

I recommend everyone donate all of their DVDs to their local public library. And stop scratching them up, that’s what the MAFIAA wants you to do.

6 Oct 17, 2009 at 22:11 by weblamer

> the anti-piracy operations of the MPAA were unsatisfactory, and “lacked aggressiveness.”

As if “enough of aggressiveness” would be more efficient xD

7 Oct 17, 2009 at 22:16 by Sendaii

The MPAA’s anti-piracy division will not cease its activities though, but in addition to the layoffs it will remove the term ‘anti-piracy’ from its name and replace it with ‘content protection’.

They are polishing a turd here. They can name their anti-piracy division after NAMBLA for all he good it will do them.

8 Oct 17, 2009 at 22:20 by Mason

Maybe it isn’t piracy that’s hurting the MPAA’s revenue, but their shitstorm of horrible movies.

9 Oct 17, 2009 at 22:26 by Prices?

Do they really want to have to compete?
Would they not sooner have complete control of all distribution channels?
Ownership of all content?

10 Oct 17, 2009 at 22:40 by RoestVrijStaal

LoL. Seems it’s more a company than a non-profit business.
Isn’t illegal for a non-profit business to make profit? :þ

They lobby their ass off, only for money and power. But we, the mass, lobbing our ass off too, for FREEDOM.

11 Oct 17, 2009 at 22:49 by SeijiKF

Where can I get a time series of that “piracy rate of movies”?

12 Oct 17, 2009 at 22:54 by Reasoned Mind

I’ve never really understood why people who take something without paying for it don’t apply the word “stealing” to their actions.

They say “We are only making a copy, the original is not removed and thus we are not stealing.”

But the original was never for sale. That master is locked up safe somewhere. ONLY copies were EVER for sale.

So the act of taking a copy without paying for it but you know it was intended for sale, is precisely stealing. The very definition. Not “almost like”. It’s stealing a copy you didn’t pay for. It’s stealing.

It’s one thing to steal because you think it’s okay, or “should” be okay. Criminals have thought that way for all of human life on earth. But it’s especially sleazy to steal and then pretend that because it’s a “copy” that was for sale, it’s not actually stealing (a copy.)

Civil infraction gets rationalized all the time. Only pirates have something to gain from the rationalization.

13 Oct 17, 2009 at 23:01 by owen

Cause you don’t taking anything away.

14 Oct 17, 2009 at 23:03 by owen

You are not taking a copy that was for sale
you are making a new copy of the copy that was for sale any some ona even head to buy in order to be able to make a second copy of it.
the new pirated copy is a new item and was never for sale it was for free use.

15 Oct 17, 2009 at 23:07 by Randomised En

“The infringer invades a statutorily defined province guaranteed to the copyright holder alone. But he does not assume physical control over the copyright; nor does he wholly deprive its owner of its use. While one may colloquially link infringement with some general notion of wrongful appropriation, infringement plainly implicates a more complex set of property interests than does run-of-the-mill theft, conversion, or fraud.” — Dowling v. United States, 473 U.S. 207, pp. 217–218

16 Oct 17, 2009 at 23:16 by Philipe

@12

thats not right reasoned mind. I paid for my computer, paid for my bandwith. Hey , I paid to make this copy. So it was the wrong persons that i paid , is that what you mean?? But their services are so much better than MPAA and RIAA , so i chose this internet informal distribution method.
You know what, these people that sides with MAFIAA are surely crazy. I can say for myself that internet saved us from mediocrity, because i dont have to “consume” any media that they are trying to force me. See this example. I had to import a Norther cd once, costed me $60 and i waited for two months. If i can download the album i am wrong?I should ask part of the payment of this MAFIA guys because i did their job importing cds.NEVER MORE my friend, NEVER MORE.

17 Oct 17, 2009 at 23:21 by x3dt

@Reasoned Mind

You sound more and more like a broken record. The main point you always try to make is that we are “stealing”; OK, we get it already – that’s your opinion, but the law in most countries would disagree (”copyright infringement” is a civil matter, “stealing” is criminal). So you see, we don’t call it stealing because it’s an entirely different offense. As for the fact that it is an offense – yes it is, no one on this site ever said differently, but most people don’t want it to be. And with the rate pirating is expanding soon more than half the internet population will think it’s morally acceptable to infringe on copyright. So what then? This is a serious issue and doesn’t need a preacher like yourself who only spews out gospel without getting deeper into the core of the problem.

Anyway – returning on topic – the reason given for firing the execs is really far off of what I imagined. The right reason would’ve been “because they fought piracy in a way that diminished our public image”, not because “they were not aggressive enough”. The latter just sounds moronic.

18 Oct 17, 2009 at 23:51 by www.eZee.se

@Reasoned Mind,
Im not really sure if its really you, because you seem to be trying too hard to tick people off with your comment and the word “stealing” all over the place… dont get me wrong, you sound as moronic as ever, just a little bit out of tune.

Perhaps you should read the last post on TF and then see what the experts have said… the industry is in its current position today because the industry has not been offering reasonable legal alternatives. Period.

19 Oct 18, 2009 at 00:00 by SirReal

It seems interesting to me that they think that their tactics “lacked aggressiveness” they seem too aggressive to me already. Not a good sign. But yes, the last paragraph in #17’s comment makes sense.

20 Oct 18, 2009 at 00:02 by SirReal

Does anyone else get the “you are posting comments too quickly” message when they haven’t posted a comment for a few days?

21 Oct 18, 2009 at 00:14 by Mr.Afghanistan

I wish USA Fire MPAA and RIAA =)

We don’t need MPAA/RIAA. fire the @ssholes now :)

22 Oct 18, 2009 at 00:19 by reasoned butt

oh oh oh! can you fire reasoned mind too hes doing a really bad job.

23 Oct 18, 2009 at 00:37 by Bobe-On (Chest)

Sources in the film industry said that the three were thrown out because the anti-piracy operations of the MPAA were unsatisfactory, and ‘lacked aggressiveness’.

(Leaning over bow and peering thoughtfully at the three treading water, turns head, looking over shoulder, and hollers…)

What should we do with ‘em lads?!

(In celebration of the firing of a few bosses, opens a found floating oakwood chest, containing an assorted collection of free barnacle-encrusted electronica for those who like that:
www. sfu. ca/ ~rmacinty/ music/ misc/)

Retires to cabin below deck with a rum in tow…

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Reasoned Mind/AKA etc. appear, play their broken record and move onto the next thread, while much of the thread becomes “theirs” as post after post is essentially in response or relating to, including this.
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Special thanks to: Oct 17, 2009 at 23:07 by Randomised En

24 Oct 18, 2009 at 01:00 by Rabbit80

@Reasoned Mind

Maybe you should apply for the job of “Content Protection” chief?

btw. It’s NOT stealing – here is another reason why… you cannot be stealing from the industry since you are making a copy from something that has already been copied – ergo I am taking a copy – WITH consent – of somebody elses copy. At no point is the industrys copy involved!

25 Oct 18, 2009 at 01:13 by stupidity

im in favor of suporting things i like. for example i own a dvd of my favorite movie, i tell my buddy hey take the dvd and wacth it its good, just because he didnt pay to watch the movie they are gonna call him a theif. how is that any different from me downloading it from some one that allows me to download it off of them. if i like i buy it.

26 Oct 18, 2009 at 01:15 by Mystik

Well if Big Content fails this way they will always use the backdoor via ACTA. Until now there was much said about a full-blown internet component to ACTA, but this article makes interesting reading.

Secret ACTA treaty can’t be shown to public, just 42 lawyers

As the secret Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement rolls forward, it’s clear that some kind of Internet “enforcement” will end up in the text; but what kind? Thirty-eight corporate lawyers and 4 public interest lawyers are the only ones with a say.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/these-42-people-are-shaping-us-internet-enforcement-policy.ars

This is off-topic, but hey it is an interesting to see how far they will go in their quest to make us all pay up.

Copyright collective: free format and time-shifting never OK

A Canadian copyright licensing group doesn’t care how many people do it—format and time shifting should not be made legal unless rightsholders are paid for those copies being made for iPods and DVRs across Canada.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/copyright-collective-free-format-time-shifting-never-ok.ars

On another note, as being from the U.S. I have long been appalled at what the government does and the ability of the people to be dissuaded by rhetoric, FUD and outright lies. The way the U.S. Government really works is to keep all sides fighting against each other so that no one sees the truth. These politicians count on the “Who do we vote for for senator? The Jim guy. Oh okay thanks.” Having said that people tend to use MAFIAA, not MAFIA, It is not completely “Of America”.

None of these lobby groups (MPAA,RIAA,BREIN, etc) represent the will of the U.S. Government or it’s citizens. They represent the will and interests of huge multinational corporations not wholly owned by people from the U.S., but by rich investors worldwide. Remember Sony, Sony/BMG, and EMI are not U.S. Companies at all.

The U.S. government is as corrupt as any other on the planet. No country has a monopoly on that. Don’t believe it look at the U.K., France, The Netherlands and even Sweden. Keep in mind governments require money to operate, that money comes from taxes. The Large companies provide large amounts of revenue to fund the government. If the threat of losing that revenue is real or even perceived to be real the governments will act t protect it. The global recession has proved to be a boon to these companies, they say “We lose 100 million each year”, what they are really saying is “You lose 100 million of taxable income!” The mouths water at getting their hands on the extra money to blow on some new and useless project which only servers to enrich the lives of the politicians and Government employees with maybe some small token benefit to the citizens who live there.

All of these groups act in concert for a common interest in preserving the control over what, how and when we see, hear and pay for. So even though the U.S. seems to make a great scapegoat for everyone, it is the same as saying “We are not to blame, they are!” The U.S. did not make Tim Kuik, Thomas Nordstrom or others think they way they do. They made a choice to believe what they do. As governments make a choice to follow what the idiots in Washington say rather than listening to their own citizens. Keeping everyone divided is the greatest strength these companies have globally.

IMHO.

27 Oct 18, 2009 at 01:25 by Anonymous

Actually I think the reconstruction is more due to the fact of MPAA ruling over the ’studios’ rather then vice versa, which was the actual point for creating MPAA in the first place.

28 Oct 18, 2009 at 01:44 by Lothor The Evil

The MPAA are persistent sons of bitches aren’t they?

29 Oct 18, 2009 at 02:30 by DTS

They may not necessarily be “fired”, per se. It’s not unheard of for these individuals, claiming to have no link to these corporations, to eventually resurface in court as an assisting party. Matthew Oppenheim being one.

30 Oct 18, 2009 at 02:48 by Lynx

I went and saw Surrogates at Greater Union Cinemas last week with my wife, $51 for two tickets, popcorn and drinks. I have vowed this has paid for the next 20 movies I download and I will not return. That is what is killing the movie industry.

31 Oct 18, 2009 at 03:00 by ken adams

@ 30 Lynx

You’re exactly right. How about $20million or more for one actor to do a movie?

32 Oct 18, 2009 at 03:02 by As An Industry Slowly Dies.....

Reasoned Mind, for all his endless droning on about the law, seems helpless when presented with actual law. So here it is again for everyone’s favorite industry apologist…….

“The infringer invades a statutorily defined province guaranteed to the copyright holder alone. But he does not assume physical control over the copyright; nor does he wholly deprive its owner of its use. While one may colloquially link infringement with some general notion of wrongful appropriation, infringement plainly implicates a more complex set of property interests than does run-of-the-mill theft, conversion, or fraud.” — Dowling v. United States, 473 U.S. 207, pp. 217–218

As for the MPAA and the studios getting more aggressive…..

BRING IT ON! Yarrrr.

33 Oct 18, 2009 at 03:09 by Anonymous

@32

forgive reasoned mind for he knows not the absurdity of what he says…

34 Oct 18, 2009 at 03:11 by Armorus

comon fire the whole anti-piracy subdivision!

35 Oct 18, 2009 at 03:18 by Jerms

@Reasoned Mind:
Just in case you’re actually unsure, rather than you just trying to start an argument for the sake of it like you usually do… The legal difference between stealing and copyright infringement, is that if I steal something from you, you don’t have it any more. If I perform copyright infringement against you, I have a copy I legally shouldn’t have, but you still have the copy you started with as well.

This is not a point of view you can argue against; it is a point of fact used in legal definition.

…which is why it really burns my rubber when I see anti-piracy ads at the start of movies which blatently lie and say that downloading pirated movies is stealing: No, it’s not stealing. It’s copyright infringement. There is a difference.

And, @Reasoned Mind, note that I’m not saying that copyright infringement isn’t naughty. I’m not; I’m just saying that it’s different to stealing.

And, for the record, a downloaded movie does not equate to a lost sale. Quite often the opposite, in my experience – I won’t buy a DVD until I’ve seen the movie and decided it’s worth buying. By watching pirated movies I have had the opportunity to watch ones I wouldn’t have been able to see at the theatre or movie rental store etc, which in turn leads to me buying some of the better ones – when I can find the DVD for sale. Unfortunately, theatres, movie rental stores and DVD retailers all seem to assume that I want to watch/buy mainstream movies, and that I have no interest in any others, so to view the movies I’m most likely to enjoy, copyright infringement is usually my only option. I’m looking forward to a better business model which provides movies I want to see, at a price I’m happy to pay. Legally.

36 Oct 18, 2009 at 03:26 by nnnnnn

I agree, the shitstorm of movies made are crap. they don’t make sense and then millions are spent of them for effects. What a load of crap. Produce better movies, stop being stupid.

37 Oct 18, 2009 at 04:05 by Xcel

“”Maybe they should consider adapting to the digital era by making it easy for consumers to download legally at reasonable prices.”"

I found that portion of the article to be the most intelligent …

As for “copies” “Reasoned Dork” (yes you have finally “trolled” me)

A copy is just that, you cannot predict that copy will ever be made so you cannot say it was EVER “intended” for sale..

And im pretty certain that if nothing is missing than NOTHING was EVER Stolen..

Your arguments are hollow and less than worthy of any type of debate..

Your perception is only fueled by what others have “told” you is illegal, just because there is a law against something does NOT mean that it should be illegal, and that has been proven time and time again through history..

38 Oct 18, 2009 at 04:21 by reasoned jesus

You are all a bunch of degenerate deviants who need Jesus in your lives.

39 Oct 18, 2009 at 04:39 by Wow

Clitman or Dickman. ;)

40 Oct 18, 2009 at 06:16 by A

@12

It’s not stealing as us downloading a movie doesn’t deprive somebody else of that movie. Especially in the instances where if we weren’t able to download we wouldn’t rent or buy it and this would therefore not count as a lost sale.

So you’re back where you started.

41 Oct 18, 2009 at 06:23 by PirLog.com

MPAA itself is not performing. Then how its other organisations perform ??

http://Pirlog.com

42 Oct 18, 2009 at 06:24 by Industry Shill

This just goes to show that piracy costs jobs! Goeckner & Co. and their families are going to be starving and homeless, and it’s all your fault! Or something…

43 Oct 18, 2009 at 06:52 by .neo.styles|nvDX

Are we really trying to convince ourselves that people pirate things simple because they cost too much? FYI, many, many people buy things. So, why can’t pirates pay for things like everyone else?

44 Oct 18, 2009 at 06:55 by Xcel

@42
Yeah, they’ll be starving, if their stooooopid, there are things like “wrongful termination” and believe it or not the MPA isnt immune to lawsuits themselves… So either the MPA offers them a helluva severence package where Goeckner & co can afford a nice long year of vacation while they send their resume’s in to a ton of other similar organizations, or Goeckner & Co sue and get 5 years worth of vacation $$ due to the fact that they were being as aggressive as the law allows them to be and anything beyond that they would havve been breaking it themselves (not to say that they werent already, but you get the picture)

45 Oct 18, 2009 at 06:58 by Anonymous

@43 Oct 18, 2009 at 06:55 by Xcel:

hook, line and sinker!

LoL

46 Oct 18, 2009 at 07:23 by bullsh1t

@ 12 only little kiddis say its not stealing but for me on the other hand im going to say yes i do steal i will never pay for something i can get for free pepople will argue its a .torrent they cant sue us wrong fcker torrents are legal but what they link to is a different story i hate people that hide them selfs againts pepole like you and il say it again go fck your self i am i pirate i will download i will steal if its out there for free so Suck It .I.

47 Oct 18, 2009 at 07:27 by bullsh1t

to add @ 40 prime example of the little hiding kiddie im talking about your pathtic and sad

48 Oct 18, 2009 at 07:30 by Anonymous

“Unlike the RIAA, the MPAA has refrained from going after individual downloaders, and thus far there has been no indication that this will change anytime soon.”

This is why their businesses are doing better than the Music Industry. That, and the fact that that they have a more viable alternative… “Renting” movies has been around for years & still is decent alternative to piracy… Redbox was a nice innovation, but a little piracy must still be expected, because PEOPLE LIKE WATCHING THE NEW MOVIES AT HOME. WE DO NOT WANT TO WAIT 2 MONTHS FOR A DVD.

49 Oct 18, 2009 at 07:34 by Reasoned Mind's Dad

Please forgive Reasoned Mind, he is on medication & has no clue what he is saying.

50 Oct 18, 2009 at 08:24 by Xcel

@44, LoL…Perhaps

51 Oct 18, 2009 at 08:29 by Xcel

@45&46

As long as you’re having a good time playing with yourseelf, who cares, right?.. LoL

#40 make excellent points imo, if you werent so thick headed perhaps you would see them too..

Ah well…

52 Oct 18, 2009 at 09:47 by diarRIAA

@Reasoned Tard

You managed to out-stupid yourself. Congratulations.

Being that you are retarded, let me try to explain something to you. I know it’s beyond your scope of understanding, but it’s worth sharing this with everyone else.

1) This is in fact a binary of all copyrighted data containing: 00010001 and 10001000

I decide to compress them instead to: 3131 and 1313

I replaced the 3 zeros with a three instead. This is called compression.

I’ve effectively changed the patterns of 0’s and 1’s in to a more efficient equation or form.

Technically, turning 00010001 and 10001000 in to 3131 and 1313 is NO LONGER an exact copy. The patterns are completely different and are no longer the same.

I give those 1313 and 3131 to a friend, and I make no profit from it. I am not doing anything illegal, but I am sharing a completely different pattern of the authors copyrighted data. This data under a microscope does not resemble the original copyrighted file any longer in any way, shape or form.

When you rip a DVD/Blu-ray/CD and compress it to mp3, mpeg-4, xvid or divx, you are reordering and scrambling the original digital data in to something else completely new and original.

2) I go to a supermarket and I see a sandwich for sale. It’s made of rye bread, turkey, mayo, mustard, lettuce and tomato.

I buy those ingredients myself and decide to make lots of sandwiches and serve them up to friends at my house; no charge. I never stole that original sandwich from the store. I got the idea and I decided to make it myself. I tell my friends how to make the sandwiches themselves, and they tell their friends, etc. It might resemble the sandwich in the supermarket, but it is not the same sandwich, so therefore I did not steal it.

In conclusion, the original authors copyrighted patterns of binary 0’s and 1’s are completely altered and scrambled when compressed. It does not resemble anything at all like the original file that it was copied from when examined under a microscope. Just the same, the sandwich in the store and I decided to buy the ingredients myself. It may look like the same sandwich in the store, but under a microscope the two sandwiches are nothing alike.

It would be preposterous for the supermarket to decided to sue me for theft. According to your “reasoning” I stole the original sandwich from the store and I should go to jail for it.

If I walked out of the store with that sandwich without paying for it, yes that is theft and it is illegal. Making those same sandwiches myself is not illegal.

That my dear Reasoned Tard is why you are a complete idiot. If my explanation is ever used in court, the RIAA/MPAA would never win another case again.

53 Oct 18, 2009 at 09:48 by kkr120

Reasoned Mind I notice you never have anything to say on articles where there is blatant corruption in these industries you are trying to defend. Just sayin :)

54 Oct 18, 2009 at 13:02 by CCC

“lacked aggressiveness.”

don’t make me laugh . i guess the boss realized someone taking they share under they nose.

55 Oct 18, 2009 at 13:05 by OHCMON

@12 and other guys
We all know you are stealing. When you don’t buy something that was supposed to be bought, even if it’s a copy, it’s stealing. Get done with the rationalization, if you conscience hurts, don’t steal, if it doesn’t, don’t silly rationalize.

56 Oct 18, 2009 at 13:08 by Whatever

Those “fired” people will just get a better paid job somewhere else in the “industry” as it just a way to pay them even more (check in a few months what job they will have). It also protects the individuals as they will be only known as MAFIAA. All the rest is just another PR stunt to show how bad piracy is .

The sole purpose of all these MAFIAA organizations together in the whole world is just to keep justifying why they are needed. That way they can keep a system intact, that costs billions of dollars/euros, employing people who cannot make a living in a real job. If the same amount of effort and money were to be put into the space program there would be a city on the moon and an permanent outpost on Mars by now.

Lets also try to follow some neo-reasoning…
Neo-reason once said that the industry provides jobs because of these organizations, DRM creation and so on (if one calls fighting other people over control can be considered a job). Actually in the chain of events this means that filesharers actually cause them to have jobs in the first place and forces the industry to share money with more (evil) people. So they should actually be gratefull to filesharers otherwise the money would end up just sitting in a bankaccount of a few (poor?) artists. In the end then filesharing is good for the economy as it provides jobs and keeps money going around.

57 Oct 18, 2009 at 13:09 by Hmm

@12 you chose a wrong place for a right argument.
Speak [insert language] when you are in [insert country]

58 Oct 18, 2009 at 13:37 by prodigydancer

MAFIAA lacks aggressiveness? How exactly?

But, it’s alright. Bring it on, for we have guns too. And we won’t hesitate a moment to use them.

We will rather die than surrender our freedom. Remember it!

59 Oct 18, 2009 at 14:33 by Artists? LOL

@50 “OHCMON”

The copy my friend made and gave to me was never intended for sale. Therefore, I have stolen nothing.

60 Oct 18, 2009 at 14:50 by Reasoned Consultant

As a free-lancer consultant who had excessive amount of education and has unquestionable background of managing, consulting, accounting and other accomplishments in numerous fields of business, here’s my semi-professional report of the future prospects of the current record and motion picture industry majors :

no one fucking needs them. Especially the record companies. Nowadays a five-year-old kid suffering from autism can produce and distribute music without any problem if he knows how to turn his pc/laptop on. For the movie companies, they’re little better; they make craptastic movies, and brainless consumers brainlessly buy it. As stupidity is a disease that humanity have fought against for centuries and hasn’t cured yet, more brainless consumers are in the line to buy more shit brainlessly.

and as you have noticed, the five-year-old kid mentioned above can reason this; mysteriously other consultant who have more education and experience than me can’t. this is why Goeckner and co. is dying..

61 Oct 18, 2009 at 15:46 by Xcel

Oh what would we all do without our own “reasoned mind” ?

C’mon guys ya gotta admit, if Reasoned mind does anything at all,its making our arguments and convictions well known…

perhaps its an attempt to develop courtroom strategies against each and every argument we have? ya gotta wonder…

I just find it interesting that someone would come onto a “pro” pirate board and begin “preaching” the MPAA word as if it was handed down by God…

At anyrate, I personally am glad Reasoned is here, at least we have someone we all can speak our mind at,someone that holds a very opposite opinion (even though it’s waaay off base!)….

Come out and play reasoned mind, we’re waiting!

62 Oct 18, 2009 at 16:09 by Darth_Tater

They will all probably become Swedish judges.

It is not about piracy, it is about control of the internet and your leisure time.

63 Oct 18, 2009 at 18:49 by Reasoned Pineapple

I will download a potentially crappy movie, but I won’t ever pay for one — not even if you take my internet away. I won’t even pay for a crappy movie in it’s least expensive form, the movie rental. I learned how to spot a turd and vote with my wallet a LONG time ago. The internet merely increased the power I already had. Our collective voices are finally being heard.

Now if I download something and actually like it, I’ll happily buy it used. If I fail to find a used copy in good condition, I’ll purchase it when it’s found it’s way to the bargain bin. Everything eventually finds it’s way there and it’s like paying used prices for something that has never been opened. I like having access to the extras, especially when it involves CG (of which I am both fan and artist). You don’t get those with a download.

Whine all you want. Pass all the draconian laws you want. Proclaim my immorality all you want. Call it stealing all you want. It is never going to change the fact that you are wrong and that the industry is somehow losing something. You can’t lose something I never would have given you under any circumstances and that is never EVER going to change. Don’t like it? Too effing bad.

[point]HAR HAR![/point]

64 Oct 18, 2009 at 19:16 by Virotelisa

“lacked aggressiveness.”

PR disaster incoming in 3…2…1… – Truly, don’t they ever learn?

I thought that the PR Nightmare caused by going after individual users would have been a bad enough dent to their corporate image to make them understand that hardliner tactics will only backfire.

65 Oct 18, 2009 at 19:17 by storm

guys… don’t feed the troll

that’s the least you guys can do right?

66 Oct 18, 2009 at 19:38 by Mwahahahaha

I’m doing a little lobbying of my own. I’m turning on as many people to file sharing as I can. Peolpe in my office, friends, clients, family, neighbors and everyone in between. Come on people, lets kick this thing into high gear. The more the merrier. Arrrgggg…

Fvck the MAFIAA

67 Oct 18, 2009 at 21:02 by Drake3

“Civil infraction gets rationalized all the time. Only pirates have something to gain from the rationalization.”

You are aware that you are also rationalizing. You are rationalizing that the entire copyright system is perfect the way it is. You are rationalizing that it is right for progress to be stifled by these large corporations.

You have been told time and time again the way we feel is right. Yet you still feel the laws are right, that we should do nothing, and resistance is futile. I hope at least that you realize that we will not stop, technology will not stop, and eventually we will win as the more heavy-handed the industry gets, the more people they cause to rally against them.

68 Oct 18, 2009 at 21:14 by Drake3

“guys… don’t feed the troll

that’s the least you guys can do right?”

oops, sorry about above post then…

69 Oct 18, 2009 at 21:43 by Ninja

To all the people defending MAFIAA and merry friends: that’s what you get, you work hard for them and they cut your head in the end.

HAIL HIT.. I mean, HAIL MAFIAA and the IV REICH!

70 Oct 18, 2009 at 22:06 by HappyPirate

Haha!

Okay, they lost their jobs, now put those enemies of a free society in jail and I’m pleased!

71 Oct 19, 2009 at 01:00 by Anonymous

We too promised to hunt down for life the studio bosses. It’s going to be a short time before we take them down.

No Justice no peace.

72 Oct 19, 2009 at 01:10 by Jack Sparow.

The funny thing is that their propaganda machine keep using the world “pirate” for many years but now, thanks to them who are themselves perceive as evil greedy parasites and terrorists, it is cool to be pirates!

Are they going to stop calling their customers pirates or are they going to die? The boycott is in progress, you know.

73 Oct 19, 2009 at 01:17 by Jack Sparow.

hopefuully the Troll who is infesting this forum will also lose his job in the process.

Usually when your boss from the parasites headquarters get fired you lose your job too.

By the way do you know how the drug that get ride of tapeworm work?

74 Oct 19, 2009 at 01:28 by Anonymous

“the anti-piracy operations of the MPAA were unsatisfactory, and “lacked aggressiveness.””

May be they spent too much money in corrupting the US, the UK, the French and Swedish governments?

75 Oct 19, 2009 at 04:25 by Change

Time will change and everyone can share what they want we don’t need no F**Kin copyright protection on movies or music. Why we bought the fucking item with are own hard earned money .. MPAA/RIAA/ ANTI P2p – you have no idea why customer don’t buy your music well why do you spend so much money on trying to stop customers from sharing music, movies what ever they have bought , You know if you didn’t have so much copy bull shit on everything you sell maybe customer might what to buy it? Have you ever thought of more profit by customers sharing and show other friends what is good to buy? NO you haven’t because you are to greedy to have that idea even in your head. YOU WANT US TO BUY A COPY OF THE SAME SHIT , NO WE CAN’T EVEN BACK UP ARE MERCHANDISE WHY BECAUSE YOU ARE SO GREEDY YOU WANT EVERY CUSTOMER TO BUY ANOTHER COPY INSTEAD OF BACK UP OR COPY IT? WHY BECAUSE YOU ARE DAMN GREEDY!

76 Oct 19, 2009 at 04:59 by fight_the_tyranny

loooser… HAHA. I love it. I hope anyone who works for the MAFIAA dies a slow and agonising death.

77 Oct 19, 2009 at 06:06 by lol

anytime you fire the guys that may have a shred of experience.. the next guy has a lot to learn..

so in any event.. this is great news..

78 Oct 19, 2009 at 06:24 by Anonymous

*Stamping 3 skulls on the PC box*

LoL

79 Oct 19, 2009 at 06:52 by CaptnBeernAcid

Is it just me, or is this whole scenario starting to look painfully similar to the war on drugs..

80 Oct 19, 2009 at 08:08 by time traveling white rabbit

their gonna fire a jew?(glickman) i am simply shocked! musnt be weaving his kabbalistic hoodwinking magic the way his overlords want him to do.
i havent paid for an album or a movie in years and im not about to change this practice any time soon.

81 Oct 19, 2009 at 10:45 by Kickass_Sid

Why don’t they fire the whole organization?

82 Oct 20, 2009 at 01:21 by Smokey

First, they want to sell us a new copy of *every* movie every time a new format comes out. If you’ve paid for the content of the movie once, why must you pay again for the same content you already paid for in another format? The reasoning and justification behind this is explained as the cost of the discs and packaging. But in reality, only a fucking sheep wouldn’t see that you’re paying multiple times for the same content. We all know what a DVD9 costs, and I can buy 10-20 of them for the cost of one single “industry” DVD. Surely something is amiss… The little plastic box costs that much? The glossy insert maybe? If I’m not paying for the right to enjoy said content unconditionally(you know, like for life) and am only paying for the physical product, then I am surely being defrauded by charlatans who enjoy the benefits of a monopoly by charging 1000%-2000% or more above cost for their product, not once but infinitely with every new format that comes along.

So, in it’s infinite power and glory, seeing a disparate situation which needed a resolution suited to the common man rather than harboring sympathy for such a fraudulent business model, the internet and indeed technology itself joins forces with the population of the world to bypass the need to pay inflated and downright extortionate prices for pennies worth of paper and plastic.

Now, we stand in the midst of revolution. A revolution that may very well put an end to this tyranny. Is it any huge surprise that the tyrants are valiantly defending themselves and their very right to exist, now that the people have risen up and are storming the castle armed with broadband connections and filesharing clients? Starve ‘em out. Burn ‘em out. Ready the stocks and oil the swords. The confrontation which will end their reign is drawing nigh. Which side of the walls will YOU be on when the tide of war comes to deliver it’s sweet justice?

83 Oct 20, 2009 at 22:34 by Lucky Man

well we can’t help it cuz we have internet, computer then you’re lucky to get copy but it don’t make sense if you got caught for sharing files well these ppl who download stuff are really lucky people who got internet, computer, and bandwidth. MPAA/RIAA shouldn’t cost old movies over $10 or $20 because they been making copy for many years so why not people? people have own copy machines. it really stupid if you are scooping people’s internet activities…because we all can’t help it. arrest everybody cuz nobody can stop it even everyone’s habit…prison can’t do nothing about it. if u give people life sentence for pirated something? well it still not gonna work cuz God’s watching you and you know nobody can buy all that expensive stuff all the time. we got bills, we got car bills, we got a family to feed, etc… it is NOT worth to pay too much money on movies n tv. if you cost new movies at least $5 and old movies should be $2-3 so we all can buy but not like $20 n up…if you making ridiculous then we will show u ridiculous pirated as long as u make good prices…

84 Oct 21, 2009 at 04:30 by MPAA

In a related story, we just fired Reasoned Mind … his trolling wasn’t aggressive enough. :\

85 Oct 24, 2009 at 23:18 by PIR@TOR

PIRACY ALWAYS WINS :D

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