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Music Industry Set For Civil Action Against OiNK

Alan Ellis, the ex-admin of the OiNK BitTorrent tracker, was cleared of Conspiracy to Defraud by jury of his peers last week. But now it seems that as one battle ends, another begins. IFPI says it is considering civil action, and is committed to reclaiming the money donated to the site in order to give it back to the artists.

oinkAfter waiting for more than two years to clear his name, less than a week ago the trial of Alan Ellis, the ex-admin of the OiNK BitTorrent tracker, came to an end.

The jury at Teesside Crown Court took just a couple of hours to return a unanimous verdict of “Not Guilty” – Ellis walked away a free man.

Ellis kept a low profile as he left court, refusing to comment to waiting reporters. The recording industry, fronted by the BPI, didn’t hide their feelings.

“This is a hugely disappointing verdict which is out of line with decisions made in similar cases around the world,” the group said in a statement.

“The defendant made nearly £200,000 by exploiting other people’s work without permission. The case shows that artists and music companies need better protection.”

Behind the scenes, some observers felt that while this defeat for the music industry was welcome, there were still concerns that things wouldn’t end with Ellis’s acquittal. And they appear to have been right.

Speaking at a press conference to launch the annual Digital Music Report, IFPI spokesman John Kennedy said that the ‘not guilty’ verdict was not the end of the road. The recording industry would “find other ways” to punish Ellis, and is now seriously considering taking action against him through the civil courts.

Kennedy said there is a commitment by the industry to retrieve the money the users of OiNK donated to the site, and give it to the artists whose music was shared there.

He also attacked the decision to charge Ellis with fraud instead of copyright infringement, and criticized UK legislation for being out of date.

Ellis confirmed earlier that his acquittal did not mean that OiNK was set for a revival. “Absolutely not,” he said, while adding that he would just like to get on with his life now.

It seems that IFPI have other plans.

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  • chaku

    “…in order to give it back to artists ….”

    Ya, as if they wud ?? haha !!

  • another Anon

    arse.. but good luck to them, can’t see them getting far!

  • Anonymous

    ya sure for the artists. more like for buying another 150 acre lot with a mansion…

  • Hannah

    “…is committed to reclaiming the money donated to the site in order to give it back to the artists.”

    Hahaha yeah right, if by any chance they do win, artists would probably see none of the money anyways.

  • kottonface

    Why can’t they just leave this guy alone….he was cleared. Best of luck Alan.

  • United Hackers Association

    just bring a counter suit
    and mention the 6 billion they owe the artists in Canada

    yup haven’t been paying them since 1980
    so why should oink admin pay anything

  • dc!

    In this world it seems that if I got enough money to pay my lawyers, I can go on and sue pretty much anyone I like. If I lose that particular case, I can sue again for some other imaginary wrongdoing.

    Is there some law that expressively prohibits such continous lawsuits based just on certain suspicions, lame imagination and without any real proof whatsoever?

    As far as I can think of it – it’s public harassment and defamation, false accusation and spreading of misinformation.

  • wakka

    lol, they call the UK out of date… no more than your business models buddy. ;)

  • a pirate speaks!

    they just found him not guilty, why don’t the anti-pirates just give up already, if the industry stopped wasting money on anti-piracy, they would save more money than piracy could ever take from them

  • Anonymous

    @6

    Laws don’t apply to people who have a boatload of money.

  • Ralonto

    What money? I’m sure he’s lost pretty much all his reserves towards financing his lawyer etc.

  • CapnS

    As mentioned above we all know what happens *if* they win the $200k…

    “Our legal costs surpassed the court rulings and therefore we will not be able to refund the artists we represent.”

    *Queue rolling in a bed of green green greed*

  • cwrw

    IFPI spokesman John Kennedy said that the ‘not guilty’ verdict was not the end of it.Did he mean. WE have ways of making you pay. We can buy a Judge or two but not the Jury

  • insane

    He should sue Ifpi for harrasment or some thing like that :)

  • dc!

    Once the court gives it’s verdict and rules a person “not guilty”, the side that lost the case should shut a fuck up and go home.

    They can try an appeal, if possible, or go whine with their shit to a higher instance (again, if there is one), but otherwise – it’s game over.

    If it’s not – all the courts with their processes and verdicts don’t have any meaning, because nobody in fact gives a damn. Just some weird 24/7 merry-go-round… you pay for a ride and if you can afford another ticket – go ride once more.

    They have plenty of monies (stolen from artists!) to fill the pockets of greedy lawyers till those pockets reach the floor and then some. Defendants cannot afford to fund the army of lawyers, cannot afford to waste their own hard-earned money. And therefore countercases do not follow.

    Am I being idealistic idiot? Check :-/

  • Hom3r

    The money record labels owe to artists is far greater than the money Ellis made from OiNK, if any.

  • DJDANK

    Screw the record companies!

  • Yarick

    This is one reason why I am loosing faith in the western “justice” system. It seems to me that it is continuously turning into a case of those with the money have the power.

    After seeing all the things that these slime ball organizations are doing “for the artists” it just repels me from them even more.

  • John Down

    Damn lawyers. Wish they all disappear one day. The world would be so much better without them …

  • bleh

    “IFPI says it is considering civil action, and is committed to reclaiming the money donated to the site in order to give it back to the artists.”

    Yea right, like the artist would even get a cent

  • buddy

    Seems that some of you are getting a little confused about the difference in charges. He was aquitted of fraud charges, which really shouldnt have been taken on by the CPS as there was no realistic chance of winning, costing the UK taxpayer tens of thousands of pounds.

    I get the impression that they purposely charged him in the criminal court for fraud expecting an aquital to try to force the British govt into changing the laws to make filesharing/copyright infringement a criminl offense. Knowing full well that the next step would be a civil case for compensation. Which they are certain to win as they have the better lawyers and more financial clout.
    There is really no harassment as it is 2 seperate courts, criminal and civil. They will get their way in the end as they have corrupt government ministers in their pocket in every country. Laws WILL be changed and filesharing WILL become a criminal offense, not a civil one.

  • Goug

    Is the IFPI able to provide a list of the artists that should be compensated as well as how much each one would be given?

  • Phoenix

    ppl should sue those suckers for headaches !

  • Anonymous

    poor alan

    but never mind this will further ruin their reputation. i doubt they have any real evidence for this to go ahead but Alan win in court will help.

    Hell the guy could have these buggers for harassment and hate crimes.

    O’h and don’t forget about the ifpi fascist beginnings like posted here on torrent freak.

    this is ca classic example of a abuse of power how a industry charity thinks it has any authority over anybody is beyond me.

    nether less there living in a grace period now like hitter and his goons they will be brought to justice.

    not long till everybody knows the perverted origins of this despicable industry charity.

    welcome to a generation spent……

    go for it Alan take them to the cleaners and don’t stop till every party involved is either locked up or out on the streets.

    Give them the same respect as they do to you.

    Stupid FASCIST BRITAIN ADOLF WOULD BE PROUD.

  • horsemeat

    They should get sued for wasting police time…

  • duane

    He claims he made the money from donations to keep running the site. If he really wants to get on with his life, HE NEEDS TO GIVE THE MONEY AWAY.

    If he doesn’t get rid of the money, these pricks won’t give up, and they’ll take the money for themselves (not for the artists!).

    He needs to donate the money directly to the artists.

  • CJrKoS

    “reclaiming the money donated to the site in order to give it back to the artists.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA best laugh of the day i think

  • huh

    “…committed to reclaiming the money donated to the site in order to give it back to the artists.”

    oh man… that’s a good one… can any one say NAPSTER?

  • Whatever

    This would qualify for harrasment and defamation (excuse my spelling if wrong) which would be enough for a prosecution to take this IFPI person to court (except it would the organization being fined).

    However and unfortunetally this will not happen as justice is more equal to some then for others.

    If the IFPI do sue Alan Ellis hopefully the judge will remember how the IFPI thinks about UK law.

  • maebnoom

    “in order to give it back to the artists.” Well, doesn’t that assume he took the money from the artists in the first place? Incorrect assumption on the IFPIs part.

    Mr. Ellis should just donate it all to Haiti.

    Through Waffles.

  • zod

    astonishing the arrogance of these people, to say we’ll punish him after he’s cleared in a court of law, criminal or civil its disgusting…

    who do they think they are, why is the judiciary not taking offense at these parasites by the way they bypass/ignore legal process/rulings or abuse it

    i think its a fair point to ask when are they going to pay the oustanding monies owed to artists they hold and are legally stopped form starting any more cases until they are current in their payments to them

  • anon

    “money donated to the site in order to give it back to the artists”

    what bullshit.

  • Anony

    Donate the 200k to charity. See the pricks go after it then ;)

  • zarathustra

    They couldn’t get him in the criminal court so they attack him in the civil court; cowardly retards they are – to a man!

    Fuck the MPAA, RIAA & all analogues of their shitty epimethean idiom…

  • copyleft

    Let the battles begin…

  • RIAAtarded

    no money has ever made it back to the artist from 1 of these cases and I’m not sure how they can claim a “donation” in the first place.

  • Anonymous

    “and is committed to reclaiming the money donated to the site in order to give it back to the artists.”

    That’s hilarious.

  • Ninja

    What a lame excuse MAFIAA. Give the money back to the artists? Please spare me of your lies and half-assed hypocrisy.

    Indeed a good way to get a very nice defense and then demand money for all the time spent, moral harassment, unfair prison, money spent etc etc from MAFIAA. If he donates that money for charity and tell that the money wasn’t needed anymore because the site is not operational anymore he’ll probable be held innocent in any further action from the idiots and it’ll open the path for him to take money from MAFIAA. Great ending for a lengthy and sad novel.

    MAFIAA and merry friends disgust me…

  • Anonymous

    “The defendant made nearly £200,000 by exploiting other people’s work without permission”

    AHAHAHA Seriously have these retards done the math on how much it costs to run this kinda site per month?

    And my personal favourite;
    “Kennedy said there is a commitment by the industry to retrieve the money the users of OiNK donated to the site, and give it to the artists whose music was shared there.”

    What all measly 5% of it because you need the other 95% to survive and because u take 95% of record earnings from artists?

    Someone mentioned adolf hitler earlier….now if that fucker was leading this anti piracy campaign, he mighta gotten it somewhere, but it’d be slammed and nuked before it even dreamed of going international cuz hes ADOLF FREAKING HITLER

  • Anonymous

    wouldnt the artists in question need to file a civil suit then? you can’t just file a civil suit and ask that the money be paid out to others not named on the suit, not in the US anyway.

    Not to mention if it did go down, can’t we all do the donation thing we did last year when some of us donated money on behalf of Alan to the law firm representing IFPI one dollar or less at a time. It costs them more money to pay for each transaction and lose money in the long run.

  • mvegetto

    We all need to step up and defend this guy, we need to demonstrate, let this world now how screwed the system is.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s kill them.

  • ello

    compared to a criminal charge, civil trails are like trips to disney land, have fun Ellis!

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    Yes. The artists will get paid…just like these artists did:

    http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/41249

  • Ben Ben

    Bureaucrats and politicians have created the perfect system for big corporations to hunt down anyone who is not part of their little elite groups.
    Don’t you see, it doesn’t matter who’s right and who’s wrong. Court cases that go on for years all because of the legal labyrinth we allowed to be created in the first place. It was supposed to protect us, but look where we are today. Over-legislation if such a term even exists.
    Constitutions which don’t count for shit and human rights who only exist on paper. Look at the bigger picture. This is not just about OiNK, it’s about us the little people being treated like slaves by corporations, by corrupt politicians who lie to our faces every day.
    WAR IS PEACE
    FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
    IGNORANCE IS STREINGTH
    Sounds familiar? Well unfortunately it left the book and now it’s all around us.

    Haven’t you’ve had enough? Unite and march peacefully to your capitals. Demand for the corrupt to step down. Take the power back, for the people.

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    And of course the ever famous “facts” of how the RIAA protects and serves their artists:

    http://www.boycott-riaa.com/facts/

    So who is actually getting the money? The executives and lawyers. The artists always get squat/zero/nil/goose egg.

  • anon2

    the industry wants to start by giving back money it has itself ‘stolen’ from artists already. once it has done that and made a commitment to stop doing the very thing it blames others for doing, perhaps then it MAY be able to justify some sort of further action. until then, stop being hypocritical!

  • John

    They are talking nonsense if they now say that it should have been done under copyright. They were looking for a long prison sentence for Allan, that is why they were so into the idea of conspiracy to defraud as being the offence.

  • Moe

    Does anyone know how much money this bogus trial cost him?

  • Trelew

    Basically the industry just found out what the results would be if they had fair trials instead of these “show” trials they bribe the courts and government in giving.

    It really is sour grapes on the part of industry to continue on with this BS. If they get their civil trial, rest assured, everyone will be bought off and Ellis will be screwed, chewed, and BBQ’d. All in the name of corporate greed.

  • ï

    Yep, and they’ll get him. They’ll ruin him, and there won’t be any confusion this time as the issue finds itself ruled on arbitrary argument by state actors in full support.

  • Grok

    What do they mean by “back to the artists”?

    Not only would they NOT give the money to the artists, but it was never taken FROM the artists. It’s a loaded statement, and it’s utter bullshit. They’re trying to steal from this man through court.

  • Retro

    So, if I decided to ‘donate’ to OiNK, they think they have the right to take ‘my’ donation and give it to someone else.

    The simple point is that is WAS a donation, and not a CHARGE.

    People gave freely. No one was forced to pay.

    And this is the crunch of the matter. If Ellis was charging for a service, then there is a possibility for reclamation, but any monies were purely donations, made by grateful people for a service he supplied.

    Remember that the service he supplied was to connect people to each other, so that THEY could share. OiNK did not supply any copyright material at all. Its members did the sharing.

    So, were you donating to obtain copyrighted material, or were you donating to keep a website alive?

    This is the crux. Ellis can easily claim that the funds were to keep a website alive, one that not only allowed you to share with your mates, but also allowed you to post messages to a forum, and personal messages to your mates.

    If people were donating to keep the webservers, which hosted no illegal material, alive, then how can the industry even justify reclaiming the donations for lost revenue?

  • Lily Allen

    I’m drunk *giggle* *hic*

    Please dont sue me because my name is Allen *hic*

  • omgwtf

    I’m a big supporter of file sharing but gawd, £200,000, what kind of server was Alan running? That’s too much money in donations to maintain a site you’re even the owner of. Well sux but I hope you walk free and not guilty.

  • gorehound

    and not give it to the artists whose music was shared there is how it should of went.
    we all know these greedbags will never give a dime to the artists

  • Reasoned Mind

    Ever see the “Wicker Man”
    Original, not the tawdry re-make.

    Of course you did – you “borrowed” it off the largest libary, the internet to see if you liked it.

    Remember that scene at the end where Edward Woodwood burns in the huge wicker man surrounded by lame ducks and pigs?

    Well playing the part of the burning police sargeant “Alan Ellis”
    Guests playing the parts of the dumb animals, OiNK subscribers, sorry “donaters”

    Playing Lord Suumerisle, the IFPI CEO singing along with all the islanders, played by all the musicians who got ripped off facilitated by the OiNK.

    Squeal little piggy…you gonnna buuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrn

  • Reasoned Mind

    Buddy at #19 makes very insightful observations. Filesharing has been left as a civil infraction for the moment, to keep the conviction threshold down to “the preponderance of evidence” as opposed to the higher criminal standard of “beyond a reasonable doubt.” But Buddy is right. With a few civil convictions (and we all know you idiots won’t stop) government will have “no choice but to ratchet penalty to criminal charges”.

    Remember that I’ve predicted encryption and VPN will eventually be licensed, too, with astonishing penalties if you get caught just using one. They have to do this if the network is to retain any commercial viability for digital product at all. Right?

    Now imagine the penalties if you get caught using VPN/encryption to facilitate a CRIMINAL trespass. How good is that?!? This is like having a front row seat. lol

    By the way I LOVE IT when you say “this is war.” LOL

  • Dave Levy

    A jury let him go! They have real problems in making file sharing a criminal offense… its called 12 good {wo}men and true.

  • Rboy

    Civilization is headed for Anarchy due to corporate greed. Economic persecution of the poor is getting excessive. What good does it due to sue average people? Long before a lawsuit is settled the money would be long gone and most lawyers are really awful collectors so large judgements are meaningless.

    One of these people in organizations are going to have to die for their beliefs because just because you have no money does not mean you do not have the right to enjoy a little music. One of these days the pirates will rise up and start to spill blood.

  • Rabbit80

    @RM (probably fake RM)

    We are not American, we do not follow American law, the world does not revolve around America. In the UK courts there is no such thing as “the preponderance of evidence”

    If encryption were licensed, who would have to pay? The supplier – if they are not in the same country then this silly licensing law would not apply. If the user had to pay, there would be no online shopping, banking, webmail – etc… It is simply not possible to do this! As for VPNs – so long as an encrypted connection can be established, it would be impossible to do away with VPNs – once a secure connection is established, there is no way to tell it is a VPN

  • Frostbite

    Best of luck to him. I donated to the site years ago and I would do the same again.

  • Dipper

    It would seem that no here in the UK is ever happy with a decision made against them, that is why the UK justice system is so overloaded with appeals that normal trials are being put prosponed or even dropped.

  • Anonymous

    “…is committed to reclaiming the money donated to the site in order to give it back to the artists.”

    lololol!!1eleven1twelve

  • TheCrawlingChaos

    At what point does this become harassment?

  • Anonymous

    @54

    Obvious troll is obvious.

  • Lucky Man

    If i was him then I wouldn’t show up stupid ass court cuz I would be living in another country.

  • Anonymous

    I am going to kill them all.

  • Reasoned Mind

    I am trolling.

  • Reasoned Mind

    I am trolling for a fee for as long as it last.

    Trolling, trolling, trolling!

    Each time I write “trolling” I get $1.

    OK! Ready?

    Trolling, trolling, trolling,Trolling, trolling, trolling,Trolling, trolling, trolling,Trolling, trolling, trolling,Trolling, trolling. . .

  • Jeff

    What do want to bet that the artists will not get anything from the IFPI if they were to recover the ‘donations’ from OiNK?

    The laywers and the labels themselves will get all of it.

    And what percentage of the money from the 17,000+ settlement demands the RIAA sent to people using Kazaa have their artists gotten? 0%. The same with the judgements against Joel Tannenbaum and Jammie Thomas.

  • Obedient

    “…..there is a commitment by the industry to retrieve the money the users of OiNK donated to the site, and give it to the artists whose music was shared there……”
    If the money is to be taken back, I say it should go back to the people who donated it in the first place.
    IFPI and the MAFIAA should not be allowed to make one cent out of this. And NO, those leeches are not for the artists either.

  • Mr Taxpayer

    I am a UK citizen and a taxpayer. I do not file share.

    I want to know how much the total cost of the Police investigation was, the total cost of the CPS cost to prosecute Ellis and, given that both were instigated at the urging of the BPI and both failed, what the BPI is doing to pay back me, the taxpayer the money I have sweated for.

    I don’t work 6 days a week 12 hours a day so some mega rich corporations can save themselves the expense of a civil trial by first “having a go” at a criminal one that I pay for. The fact that they are now going to go fo round 2 using their own money after wasting mine first is repugnant. They should have gone that route the first time if at all.

    I want my money. GIVE ME MY MONEY. (in the voice of Vinnie Jones).

  • Surys

    Q: Was the money a contribution to the artists or to the site?

    A: The site.

    Q: If donations are taken and used for something other than the intended purpose and specifically against the wishes of the donators, what do we call this?

    A: FRAUD/THEFT/etc

    The IFPI are trying to defraud the donators. What the donators donated for was forcibly ceased, forced against Ellis’s will at the behest of the IFPI.

    That is despite the fact that what he had done has not been ruled as unlawful or illegal.

    Now they are trying to steal the donator’s donations (which should really be returned to the donators if not used for it’s intended purposes)

    The IFPI are trying STEAL money… they deserve every bit of malice, spite and savagery thrown in their direction.

    Another thing..

    The IFPI have no idea, nor do they have any interest in knowing which artists had their tracks downloaded.

    How can they possibly make the money go to the effected artists?

    THEY CANNOT… THEREFORE THEY ARE LYING.

    And before Retarded Mind or Neocon Styles wish to interrupt… the theft comparison isn’t even close… intellectual property would have to be bought for it to count as a loss… taken by those that had no intention of buying equates to the loss/theft/displacement of $0 necessarily… but money is money… so STFU before you even start with your lame BS attempts to draw parallels between piracy and this blatant IFPI fraud.

  • kelly

    this is gonna be even bigger fail for corporate mafiaa. the donations weren’t in any way connected with music/copyrighted content. let them sue and it’s gonna be even bigger fail than the first case.

  • Anonymous

    What do you call a thousand dead lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start! This is what I think of those scummy leech lawyers.

  • Reasoned Mind

    Com on

    Make love not war

  • Brain

    shame to Alan Ellis.
    Filling your pockets with “so called” donations
    Its the same as selling warez or illegal CD’s/Dvd’s
    It means:
    If i donate $50 ,i can download 50gigs
    its the same as handling stolen goods

  • Reasoned Mind

    #69 #70
    Nice try impersonators

    #77
    Where’s the self confession that I’m gay?

    … or am I?

  • Reasoned Mind

    If you’re happy and you know it that I’m a troll Yeehaw

    If you’re happy and you know I troll for a fee Yeehaw

    If you’re happy and you know it and you really want to show it if you’re happy and that I’m trolling for a fee. OiNK OiNK

  • Yatti420

    Seems like a threat from the IFPI.. They could end up paying Ellis money if the case goes badly.. I doubt the will file..

  • Pax

    God I can’t wait for the younger Generations to become Judges, so they can tell lobby groups to STFU and stop bitching like a little school girl.

  • Reasoned Mind

    So what if i’m gay, everyone in today’s music industry is gay except for bands etc that make it the hard way through pub gigs etc. All else are gay, and we have cocaine and orgy parties all the time with the money we make from music.

  • Paul

    Why is it, that whenever I think of Reasoned Mind, I see that Record Label guy from Alvin and the Chipmunks. A real twat. Sadly, they really are like that in the music industry.

  • InterWebz

    Yes all the money stolen from the poor artists! Now who else is getting sued for not giving the owed money to artists???

  • Anonymous

    A Donation is a donation. Regardless what the site’s possible intentions are, the donations were given directly to Alan, not as payment for services rendered, but so he can keep his website up. The content of the site isn’t really in question because again, its not payment for services. To try and link “donations” with that is a stretch.

    For example, recently Linkin Park joined up with about 9 other bands/artists and released a joint album on the internet called “Donate to Download for Haiti”. The album was freely given out with no attachments and no requirement to donate. What are the record companies going to do? Sue them for not going through their labels to release this music? I mean hell these companies go after pirates and what these artists did was went straight towards the pirates with this one. Cut the record labels out of the picture already!

  • Whatever

    @57 Reasonable Mindless
    Are you inviting me to download a movie ? Did you download it ? Do your masters agree it is ok to download that movie (i assume it is a movie) ?

    I guess you do, because i have not seen it and would have to download it to find out what you are referring to. I am ofcourse not going to pay money just to find out what the hell you are whining about. Actually i dont even feel the urge to take the time to download it but its good to know you are sharing too.

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    Only the record companies are allowed to exploit and rip off artists. The levies they collect on behalf of the artists goes to the executives and the lawyers, and no one has any evidence that the artists receive a single penny of it.

    I’m sure the trolls find this acceptable and make excuses for the media corporations and will condone their practices. Why? Because they are affiliated with the media corporations.

  • Dizzy

    “IFPI says it is considering civil action, and is committed to reclaiming the money donated to the site in order to give it back to the artists.”

    hahaha, i seem to remember this wasn’t really happening all that much cause of the enormous “problems” deciding what goes what… maybe they should first handle that part before actually claiming money.

  • Dizzy

    i meant, what money goes where, sorry…

  • Guest

    So IFPI wants to give donated money back to the artists. Although I really welcome IFPI’s sudden change of policy to actually give money to artists, I wonder why it has to be money that artists apparently donated to OiNK themselves. I especially wonder why they have to sue poor Mr Ellis over this again. If the artists want donated money back, I’m sure Mr Ellis will return it.

    Mr Kennedy, I have an even better idea: why don’t you ask your members to pay their associated artists a fair share of their media sales revenue? And while you’re at it, apoligise to the artists, the public and especially people such as Mr Ellis and the (former) operators of The Pirate Bay for IFPI’s despicable behaviour in the past decade.

  • riaa is deceit

    to all you troll(ers), martin, no style, reasoned mind, and whatever else you called yourselves wake up and check out the deception, thievery, con, and illegal activity of riaa from this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CVLiMw8_00

  • BlackBeard

    Alan did nothing wrong. He is innocent of these false charges. Music was shared among users. No one was charged anything. They willingly donated money because they liked the site. Keeping any website running costs money. As the court recently ruled Alan was quite unaware that some of the users were choosing to share copyrighted material. Not directly his fault. Justice was served. The music industry should not be able to steal donations meant to keep the site running.

  • Rog

    The IFPI and BPI can blow me.

  • M-RES

    “I get the impression that they purposely charged him in the criminal court for fraud expecting an aquital to try to force the British govt into changing the laws to make filesharing/copyright infringement a criminl offense. Knowing full well that the next step would be a civil case for compensation.”

    No, they aren’t FORCING the government to do anything. The Crown Prosecution Service (not the government) decided to bring this to trial. They have a duty to oversee the evidence prior to pursuing a case in the criminal courts to make sure they have a chance of winning. If there’s insufficient evidence then they generally will not press the charges.

    If anything this shows that IFPI weren’t really behind this. It’s far more likely that the judicial system at the behest of certain law lords (I’m not mentioning any names *cough* MANDY *cough*) brought this case, possibly for the reasons you mentioned – to raise the public profile of pirating and potentially scare others away. That is, unless IFPI truly have extra-judicial powers.

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  • Anonymous

    The Kopyright Kartels keep trotting out the lie that he made x amount of money and that he was therefore profiting from copyright infringement.

    If you follow their logic, non-profit companies who take in large amounts of money, use that money to pay their staff and invest in the company and its infrastructure are actually profit-making companies.

    The money was used to pay the expenses of hosting and bandwidth. The large amount mentioned was the sum total of years of such monies and not a huge pot sitting there.

    What’s that line ‘if you tell a lie often enough, people will beleive it’?

    The Copyright Industry is lying through its teeth again and again.

    Why have they always done this?

  • prodigydancer

    This is called extortion.

  • Anonymous

    “everyone in today’s music industry is gay ”

    If it was just that that would be Ok but they are not gay they are pederasts and we must obliterate them.

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  • Essence

    “just bring a counter suit
    and mention the 6 billion they owe the artists in Canada

    yup haven’t been paying them since 1980
    so why should oink admin pay anything”

    HAHAHA yea no kidding; I completely agree. This money isnt going towards the artists..soeone just wants some green

  • Diggler

    Absolute nightmare these industries….hope they all rot. If anyone from the companies concerned is listening…
    You just lost another customer.
    I swear to God, I’ll never ‘buy’ another product from you. Bullies and pervayers of overpriced products. Beware: I may be a trendsetter!

  • TerribleTony

    Equine Industry will fail. Sorry.

  • A Non

    If the IFPI get their way and Ellis pays them the 200 grand then what happens when the other people whose files may have been shared come asking for money? (i refer to the ebooks, computer software, and e-learning videos which were also allegedly linked to)

    John Kennedy = FAIL

  • Borderliner

    There’s actually a chance that if copyright infrightment would become a criminal matter then this would help pirates. Of course, that police is automatically involved and a real prisontime could be the outcome is not good, but think about it – in criminal cases the *accuser* has to prove his case, not the accused on like by civil matters. MPAA&friends won’t have a case in a criminal court with those shady methods and nonexistant proof that they currently use…

  • jon

    now that the case has been won take your money out and sell valuables dont own anything .store your money with trustworthy family till after the cival case finished. blood out of stone .no monies for the capitalists fck im

  • Chris Crocker

    LEAVE ALAN ELLIS ALONE!!! I’M SERIOUS!!

  • Quartz

    You all seem to have missed the obvious here, how can the IFPI bring a case when they have no evidence as all the evidence gathered from mr ellis for the criminal trail is now null and void for any future trail as he was found not guilty of the criminal charge levied at him that the “evidence” was obtained for, this means that such evidence cannot be used for just any purpose by anyone and thus under the law they have no right to steal the content of his drives or financial data thus his lawyer only needs to point out how they have no evidence besides hearsay for them to lose any case once again.

  • Quartz

    I believe in the US/UK court systems its called declaring the evidence “inadmissable” as it was obtained illegally or by deception.

  • Bad MoJo

    IFPI says it is considering civil action, and is committed to reclaiming the money donated to the site in order to give it back to the artists.

    Yeah sure, anyone that believes this has a raisin for a brain.

  • hypoc

    They won’t give it back to the artists.

  • Predator

    IFPI? Le’ts kill them all!

  • gameloo.info

    So will the site be continued?

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