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Music Is Better Off On BitTorrent, Than With Apple or Big Music

The music industry is changing rapidly. On the one hand there are tens of thousands of artists who use the Internet as a distribution channel and share their music online for free, but on the other side of the spectrum Big Music and Apple are tightening the bolts. We discuss the upside of the Internet and the ‘evil ways’ of the corporate interests with Benn Jordan, one of the first musicians to embrace BitTorrent and turn free music into a business.

The Internet and file-sharing services such as BitTorrent in particular are often blamed to be the downfall of music. However, the reality is that music has never been as loved and vibrant as it is today. The only thing that’s starting to fall apart slowly is the power of the big music labels and other profiteers.

The Big Music (RIAA) labels make their fortunes by promoting and marketing artists who usually only pocket a few percent of album sales. Their control over the distribution channels has given them a great deal of power, but the Internet is taking this monopoly away bit by bit. Today, independent artists and labels can easily reach millions of customers, something unimaginable only a decade ago.

That said, the advancement of the Internet has also brought in new threats. Apple. for example, is taking a big chunk of the revenue music generates online and their growing power is frustrating artists more and more. Musicians are forced to cut up songs because Apple deems them too long, and track listings are shuffled by mistake without an option for the artist to restore his art.

One of the first musicians who revolted publicly against Apple was Benn Jordan aka The Flashbulb, who found his album on iTunes in early 2008 without being aware or paid for it. In a counter move Jordan decided to share all his music on BitTorrent for free, which turned out to be one of the best business decisions he has made in his career.

Benn Jordan

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On Christmas eve, where sharing is on the minds of millions of people, we sit down with Benn to talk about what has happened in the past three years. How did he fare financially? Has his opinion towards Apple or the RIAA labels changed? Where does he think the music industry is heading?

TF: You first published your music for free on BitTorrent nearly three years ago. Could you take us back to that moment and explain why you took this decision?

Jordan: I just figured that if someone was going to upload my new album to these sites, it may as well be me. I can make sure the rip is a good one and I can personalize it with a message. It wasn’t marketing or anything political at first either. Trent Reznor and some other big names released stuff in a similar fashion a few months later and the same crowd applauded, but I felt like it was more about marketing.

TF: How has this decision changed your stance toward “piracy”?

Jordan: It oddly put me in a hot seat for a bit and for a limited time, made me an pseudo expert in a field of study that doesn’t really exist yet. Again, this was all undeserved and weird. Music piracy is still a huge issue and people want answers, but they’re not sure who to ask.

I’m grateful now because it made me think, generally, file trading is just a peephole to a much larger picture. Copyright, in its current state, holds information at ransom for monetary value. While in music it can stifle culture and art, with literature and education it can be nothing more than a weapon of class warfare.

TF: How are you doing financially compared to three years ago? Have you benefited from giving away your music?

Jordan: In this particular case, yes. It expanded the amount of people who pirate my music, therefore it has expanded those who bought CDs, donated to me, or came out to shows. Another interesting thing is that it wound up in some licensing company’s hands that I’ve never worked with before, and got me additional placement in TV/film/etc, which is a good portion of my income.

TF: What are your thoughts on the big labels. Are they good or bad for the majority of artists?

Jordan: I have to be honest. Big labels that aren’t being innovative are little more than delusional laughing stocks at this point. Their numbers get worse and worse, and they push the artists to do dumber and dumber stunts to try and stay on top of things.

The shows and festivals they book are sponsored by 8 different alcoholic beverages and 10 different energy drinks, and they just punish their customers while validating their own demise. I’m not worried about them and neither should you. Its a dozen senior citizens trying to stop a stampede of fresh culture. Good luck boys.

TF: And what about Apple?

Jordan: Apple, love or hate their products, is fucking scary. On one hand, hats off. They’re business and marketing geniuses. On the other hand, they might single handedly be the worst thing that has happened to entertainment media in the last 3 years. The major record industry collapsing should also mean that artists are more free to do what they want.

For example, iTunes completely screwed up the track listing of my last album Arboreal. Their network is so influential that over half of the people who have bought the CD from my label now have botched track titles on their mp3 players. Apple doesn’t have ANY accessible artist support to deal with things like this.

They reject my cover art if I don’t have my name and the title in bold. If I want to sell a 30 minute long track (Louisiana Mourning, for example), they require me to split it up into a bunch of separate tracks. Their distribution system is so unorganized that artists have to pay business like Tunecore upwards of $40 per album (and annual fees) to do Apple’s job for them.

Again, its genius on the business side. But they’ve wedged themselves in so well that now, if I don’t have an album on iTunes (under their insane rules and lack of support), a large portion of my listeners simply won’t know how to put my music on their iPods/iPhones.

I know I sound preachy, but think about it, how is that any better than what existed 15 years ago? I still maintain that I’d rather have my stuff “illegally” downloaded than have to go down that path.

TF: What advise do you have for artists who consider giving away their music?

Jordan: That being a “consideration” is always funny to me. You either release it knowing it will be distributed for free or you keep it locked up on your hard drive. If the last decade has taught us anything, it is that no amount of bitching, threatening, lobbying, suing, or file protecting is going to stop information from being spread to those who want it.

The way I look at it is, if hundreds of thousands of people are downloading my album, I’m contributing to culture and my music will likely outlive me. Money is pretty insignificant in the face of immortality.

TF: What changes in the industry would you like to see in the coming years?

Jordan: It makes me nervous because I feel like we’re at a really big crossroad. We’re facing three big issues at the same time that are eventually going to be connected: Net-neutrality, free speech, and piracy/copyright laws. We need to make a bigger deal about it because we don’t want information to be controlled by an entity that only exists for its investors.

We don’t want a situation where if Amazon refuses to carry a book, nobody will be able to read it. Or if iTunes refuses to carry an unabridged album, nobody will be able to hear it. Most importantly, we don’t want poor people to continue being less educated than wealthy people because of the illusion created that information has a monetary value. News, history, media, and culture is made by everyone, and it is intolerable to me that we allow the messengers to hold it from us at such a high price, whether monetarily or contextually .

Now’s the time to get involved.

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  • eet

    Hear, hear. :]

  • Anonymous

    I dig, also first

  • Anon

    Small ones go with sharing and big ones with companies . I bet small ones survive.

  • Tecfan

    This guy is smart. RIAA must go down.

  • anon2

    wonder how the RIAA etc will go about trying to silence him. after all, he is talking sense. they cant allow that, can they?

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  • kosmonautbruce

    Excellent interview with a smart artist. I’ll have to check out his stuff.

  • carbon42

    Any music buffs/audiophiles who are also code savvy should network and build an iPod/iPhone compatible software that integrates non-iTunes music. That, once propagated, will effectively cripple Apple’s monopoly on the devices.

  • Shane

    I steal your music Benn ;)

  • Brandon

    Great way to describe Maffia!

    “They just punish their customers while validating their own demise. I’m not worried about them and neither should you. Its a dozen senior citizens trying to stop a stampede of fresh culture. Good luck boys.”

  • Sock

    Although i agree and the industry, whether it be video games or music do need to change, alot of these users will not pay regardless if it was cheap, a bargain or just plain free.

    The niche will always ruin it for the majority.

  • Raisin

    Benn Jordan is an amazing artist and he has the music industry figured out. Some of my favorite artists give their music away for free and they do this because they truly love what they do, making music….not money

  • herman

    I think Apple is becoming monopolistic, resulting in some lazy and shady business practices. Amazon MP3 and Google Music is helping with competition, but its not enough. Really, what need is an eBay for indie artists or even utilize Facebook or MySpace to sell music. Only thing that Apple does well is load your songs into iTunes. That’s probably the only piece which Apple will protect and try to block access to as much as possible by third-party programmers.

  • rob8urcakes

    Yep, well said Benn – and I agree that we are facing such a crossroad. Thanks to the internet artists now than ever before, have a genuine opportunity to market and distribute their work how they see fit and without being dictated to by some corporate machine.

    Those who produce quality material will reap the benefits financially and in popularity because you’ll reach the audience who will reward you directly and indirectly too.

    Releasing your own work for free via bittorrent will assist greatly in that process because the biggest enemy of the up-and-coming artiste isn’t the Big Music labels or the RIAA, it’s anonymity.

  • Anonymous

    I Purchased the tribute to carl sagan and fucking loved it.

  • Anonymous

    it’s an order of priorities, ‘think different’ comes after ‘think money’

  • Chrissy

    I’ve never even heard of this artist before, but now I HAVE to check out his music.

    On a personal note, I would rather find an Artist/Musician that I enjoy on Facebook or even Myspace and buy their music directly from them. Buying it from a store where the price gets marked up by 100% or more is just insanity and I’m not about to do it. I don’t have a problem supporting the artists. I’ve bought music from a few different artist on Myspace. I just don’t see any reason to support the big record labels. With the right equipment, a great band can produce their own music and sell it on their own and then the artists and their families are REALLY the ones getting the money.

    As far as iTunes, as long as you have the music in your library on your computer, it can be added to your iPod. You don’t have to buy it from iTunes to have it in your library at this point, but who knows what the future holds.

  • JackSparrow

    “We don’t want a situation where if Amazon refuses to carry a book, nobody will be able to read it. Or if iTunes refuses to carry an unabridged album, nobody will be able to hear it. Most importantly, we don’t want poor people to continue being less educated than wealthy people because of the illusion created that information has a monetary value. News, history, media, and culture is made by everyone, and it is intolerable to me that we allow the messengers to hold it from us at such a high price, whether monetarily or contextually .”
    after read this fucking genius word, i think this word must be added soon at my wikipedia page,
    ” I did notice. ” lool

  • iop

    Man oh man, that’s one interesting interview!

  • J.B. Nicholson-Owens

    Does Benn Jordan own the copyright to his recordings?

    When I read that Jordan “found his album on iTunes in early 2008 without being aware or paid for it” I wonder if he should have been paid or distributors are supposed to seek permission from him.

    http://digitalcitizen.info/

  • hotdog

    I’ve been saying this all along independent artist speak truth myself included we don’t need a major record label / association telling us how we should market ourselves.
    torrentfreak I’m a bit upset you never answered my email about that video I sent you about youtube!! It would be nice if you messaged me back.

  • Erik Ernst

    “The way I look at it is, if hundreds of thousands of people are downloading my album, I’m contributing to culture and my music will likely outlive me. Money is pretty insignificant in the face of immortality.”

    Fucking hell, wise words indeed!

  • Cujo

    Winston can handle it lol

    https://thepiratebay.org/ with ssl ;)

  • logic

    ahh … A breath of fresh air.

    So .. antiCOPY trolls… Where are you now ?

    Artists are even against your agenda.
    But you don’t care… you are paid to troll blogs… to get “”the message out”"

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Benn – you have my upmost respect…
    For your ability to see the full picture… and hence , past the end of your own nose. Unlike so many paid “”brands”" who just pretend (are marketed)to be artists.

    Now I will definatly check out your Stuff.
    And maybe purchase.

  • Lothor The Evil

    It’s bad enough the record labels, RIAA, and special interest groups tell musicians what to sing about, now apple is telling them their songs are too long and taking over distribution of their music without letting them have any say in the matter.

    Benn Jordan is another example of a artist that realizes when they have control of their own product, they can make more money and gain opportunities such as T.V appearances and movie deals, if done right.

  • me

    “Money is pretty insignificant in the face of immortality.”

    One of the most intelligent lines i have heard in a long time.

  • JinJin313

    @ post 10 by Sock.

    I agree but the jerks that won’t pay, won’t pay or support anyway even if they were forced too by ridiculously harsh copyright protection. It’s not lost revenue if it wasn’t potential revenue to begin with. We shouldn’t let jerks who have no intention to support the things they claim they love, make it harder for the honest fans to buy, use, and share the things they are passionate about. I think if anything needs to be done; it’s in how the fans treat those who openly praise the notion of never supporting an artist. The true fans themselves need to ostracize and shame the jerks who claim they are fans but have never spent a coin on the artist. Punishment by the community has more hold than anything the law can do. Leave the jerks to wallow in their own filth.

  • Ettore

    @ Carbon42: Every music player I have ever used in the last 5 years does this; Winamp being my personal favourite. iTunes is just the most known one, it’s hardly even close to the best one (Winamp is not the best, I’d say, but it hasn’t let me down).

  • Grammar Commie Mutant Traitor

    To advise, or to dole out advice?

  • bamfan5520

    This has to be the single best interview I have ever read…This guy has the right idea…So what if music is getting pirated or shared on P2P networks…In the long run, he is still making money off his concerts, people actually buying his CD’s after listening to his work through bittorrent, and all of his merchandising….I give a big thumbs up to this guy and would be happy to support him in the fight to stop the threats against us P2P users…I think more people should be like him and stick it to the RIAA record labels and just pirate their music on bittorrent…This guy has one great future ahead of him…

  • Anonymous

    Nice read. Good luck Benn Jordan!

  • dg100

    Merry Christmas, TorrentFreak!
    :D

  • Anonymous

    “It expanded the amount of people who pirate my music, therefore it has expanded those who bought CDs, donated to me, or came out to shows.

    *neostyle’s head explodes”

  • SableSlayer

    What a awesome guy! Loved this article!

  • pirateprideWW

    If you support what Benn (AKA The Flashbulb) is saying, support him! I recommend the albums Girls Suck but You Don’t, Soundtrack to a Vacant Life, and especially Kirlian Selections. He sells FLAC and other stuff at his website, Alpha Basic (Google it).

    The corollary of the above is to never buy from artists on RIAA labels. Find other ways to support those artists if you want to. Remember, the biggest impact you guys can have is when you vote with your wallet.

  • frosty got chilled

    When I see innovators such as this man, there is hope for positive change.
    Artists that work hard like this will almost always succeed in their goals.
    I hope this article inspires others to share their music throughout the many open channels on the net.
    Best wishes to all who share and a happy new year!

  • Anonymous

    http://theflashbulb.bandcamp.com/

    Not a single link to his bandcamp? Come on, TF.

    I liked this article, as it gave the point-of-view of an artist I enjoy.

  • Lolmafiaa

    Well the answer here is that: if you want something done right, do it yourself. DIY people. Hack n mod everything. Just got a kindle, first thing I did was download open source software and drm-free pdf’s. Sure it woulda been easier to buy books off amazon, but why would I want to give someone I’ve never met control over my money when I don’t have to (bought books equal money). I mean there’s no physical books, no fair use, I don’t own anything, and amazon can remotely erase em, so why would I BUY anything like that. DIY is the way to go. Maybe ur tiimes valuable, and just dealing with their DRM is worth it, go for it, buy a million books, who cares. I’m pretty poor though, my times less valuable. I’d rather figure out how to get what I want. And this isn’t a crime. This is the free market decision of time vs money. A drm free cloud type open source digital book market is worth 2-5 dollars to me per book. $20 for 3mb that can disappear and that I don’t own? I’m good, I’ll make my own. U say I’m a criminal, I say ur a criminal, let’s agree to disagree shall we. Off topic right? But not. See MAFIAA coulda been iTunes. I mean they “own” all music, right? But MAFIAA slacked, and Boone really wanted what they sold. Sure we want the songs, but we don’t want drm, we don’t want proprietary devices, all that BS, so we did it ourselves. It’s called a free market. So yeah, I hear dudes point about how iTunes sucks, but that’s why u gotta DIY ur distribution or get over it. I’m really glad this guys doin good. I’m a good person, I don’t steal. I boycott MAFIAA because they are evil, not to hurt innocent artists. Hopefully this DIY attitude can continue to erode the power of tgese greedy a-holes ( not that Steve jobs isn’t my god, but we all need competition or we stagnate/ abuse) so yeah. Fight the power. If u want something hack it, mod it, take it :)

  • Lolmafiaa

    The way I see it, piracy is just a natural check/ balance of a free market anyway. Evil corporations try to destroy the free market with lobbyists, bribes, collusion, payola, cartels, subsidies, etc. Were just fighting back. America should be on it’s knees blowing us in thanks. But almost all people r fuking stupid, relatively speaking. How many, 60%? at least? They’ll never do anything. So all that’s left is us vs them, plus a bunch of sheeple. Thank god for us, or they’d be burning live people to keep their printing presses pumping out money. That’s what I know.

  • Lolmafiaa

    @26

    Well that’s it isn’t it? Why should me paying be more difficult than me pirating? I remember buying some music software a looooong time ago. I was pretty young. It didn’t work and I tried to return it. They wouldn’t let me because I coulda ripped it. I hadn’t, in fact I hadn’t ever pirated before and didn’t know how. But even though I wasn’t, and at the time couldn’t have been, a pirate, I was still punished by a drm of sorts (no returns on open software). I never got my money back, and being young, having spent I think $60 or so on it (a lot to me at the time) I felt cheated. I didn’t buy software again for years. It left me with a mentality thqt software wasn’t worth buying because u can’t return it. I still feel that way. Not because I’m cheap, but because it’s true. So yeah, drm is a HORRIBLE idea becaus it removes value from actual customers. Now I hack shit, nothing big, just cracks, loopholes and whatnot. I wouldn’t ever go back. DRM makes me LOLhard at the “sheeple”. Anytime I can, I go open source (ubuntu owns face btw, it’s like windows is a 3 tired Hugo, and ubuntu is a bentley) and if there’s no open source, I’ll hack it. If I can’t, I just won’t buy it. DRM is removed value. Only idiots pay for inconvenience IMO

  • Jaxx

    Merry Xmas TF and all the best to benn jordan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htZ4uk-dumQ

  • Tristan Lear

    his or her art

  • Anonymous

    “The major record industry collapsing should also mean that artists are more free to do what they want.”

    i envision indie music will be the dominating market in future

    Go rot in hell riaa hahaha

  • Fred

    Well said!

  • Sau

    He seems to have better perspective than these Big Labels

  • Sau

    He seem to have better perspective than these Big Labels

  • Anonymous

    “Most importantly, we don’t want poor people to continue being less educated than wealthy people because of the illusion created that information has a monetary value”

    This has to be one of the smartest things I’ve ever heard a musician (in an interview) say.

  • Lolmafiaa

    Look at how good hacking has been for the xbox kinect. It went from overhyped toy to potentially bigge than the iPhone because of hackers. I know it’s a bold statement, but using the kinect as a gesture interface is amazing and has crazy potential. It could be the end of physical interface devices. And all through hacking, crowdsourcing, and DRM circumvention, etc. Really let that sink in. Pirates are heroes and the MAFIAA (a blanket statement for all that is evil and obstructionist) is an evil obstructionist, retarding the human race for profits. To all of u here working for mafiaa: Time to think long and hard whether u want freedom and advancement or greed and obstructionism.

  • Scene-r

    Man this dude is awesome. Everyone should buy his CDs even if they don’t like it so he could become rich and make the LOLs at the RIAA even funnier!

  • Ocean Tide

    The funny part in all this is that freaking George Lucas showed us exactly how to make money off the entertainment industry 30+ Flippin years ago. The only people that make money off the draconian setup now are the overlords of Stupidity….. MPAA/ RIAA organizations. As any 1st year marketing college dufus knows it’s the MERCHANDISING! STUPID!

    The thought pattern for the suits in these organizations needs to change from seeing the movies / music as the primary cash cow to instead just advertising.. a means for promoting toys, clothing, electronics, FREAKING PENCILS! Whatever …… but unfortunately they have idiots in charge that refuse to think. The part I hate about this, is that we must suffer their ignorance until they relent and the fact that I have just given them a viable business model.

  • Mordicant

    Nice one Benn, Now if only more artists shared your train of thought maybe we could change things for the better. We have all long known here which is the correct path to take, it’s a shame big business are so slow to figure it out!

    p.s. Down with iTunes!

  • ac

    itunes is shit, you pay top dollar per song and its usually 256kbps quality which is average. should atleast be given an option, personally i listen to flac format which itunes doesnt even support

  • Alongside

    Great article.
    Happy christmas torrent freak! I’ve been with you for a year now so thanks for everything!

  • what!?!

    Screw bittorrent and crapple. Give me a FLAC rip on hotfile.com and that’s enough.

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  • Anonymous

    Record companies make money off copying and distributing media. Well, we can do that ourselves now. We can now use our money to support anything we like. Not just what they push into the top 40. One million people donating $1 sounds like a good pay-day for any artist that made something beautiful.

  • Anonymous

    “Music Is Better Off On BitTorrent, Than With Apple or Big Music”

    no shit sherlock

  • jack garcia (percussionist)

    knock the parasites (?)bastards like apple and others. all they do is feed from creators, and not only feed but stealing and sucking their blood.
    I a pleased to see all this fat cats are going to join the dole queue
    about time this bastard pay for their own damage

  • jack garcia (percussionist)

    get the bastards
    get them to join the dole queue

  • dodge

    quote “I’m not worried about them and neither should you. Its a dozen senior citizens trying to stop a stampede of fresh culture. Good luck boys.”

    quote “We don’t want a situation where if Amazon refuses to carry a book, nobody will be able to read it. Or if iTunes refuses to carry an unabridged album, nobody will be able to hear it. Most importantly, we don’t want poor people to continue being less educated than wealthy people because of the illusion created that information has a monetary value. News, history, media, and culture is made by everyone, and it is intolerable to me that we allow the messengers to hold it from us at such a high price, whether monetarily or contextually . ”

    sorry about the quotes but he just won the argurment for bit torrent :D

    here what i have to say!
    lets allow the rich to have their itunes and follow these rules
    the poor can have bit torrent and we will see the rich being more poorer for it
    sooner or later they will break their own rules to socialise with their poor friends
    and the rich and poor gab will close!

  • Peng Zeets

    OK, that actually makes a LOT of sense when you think about it.

  • Anonymous

    this guy thinks exactly like me!!

  • Ninja

    Wow. Just wow. Respect for him and all the ones that walked down the same path.

    Apple is overrated. They are good at generating a hype and that’s it. Oh and they actually pay more attention to design than the competition heh

  • Zeng Peets

    That actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Wow.

  • djnforce9

    What I never really liked is how sometimes the iTunes store is the ONLY digital buy option for certain albums (or if there are alternatives, you can’t use the store if you live outside the US). I outright refuse to use iTunes because it’s getting increasingly and excessively bloated (much like what happened to “Roxio Easy CD Creator” and even “Nero Burning Rom” over time). I also hate how they have no web browser interface to their store. You HAVE to install iTunes to buy music from them or you are out of luck.

    Bit-torrent? Many ways of downloading through that system and clients are VERY light weight on system resources. Only drawback is that ISP throttling and various firewall setups can hinder its usage for some users.

    The sooner iTunes loses momentum (as in gets a significantly friendlier, yet equally as popular competitor), the better. Apple’s newer iPods make this situation even worse because they force iTunes down your throat. Thankfully I have my older model (i.e. iPod Photo) which is now loaded with RockBox where I can copy files to the device without any pointless proprietary software involved (plus it plays formats such as .wma which Apple would NEVER allow).

  • polyonymus

    seconding “Grammar Commie Mutant Traitor”: advise is a verb, advice is a noun. good article :)

  • fugeesnfunions

    I strongly disagree with his stance on iTunes. First of all, we have NO IDEA how the “mistake” was made with the track listing of that single album. Seeing as how I’ve literally NEVER heard of that happening before, I imagine it was user error on his own part. And that’s bullshit that they make people put their name in bold on album covers, most of the album covers from songs I buy there hardly even mention the artist or album name. That’s either an outdated or unenforced rule, he doesn’t understand the actual rule, or he’s just lying.

    Just because they have strict rules about album formatting doesn’t mean they’re the devil. They don’t make those rules just to fuck with people, they make them so your stuff is available to the maximum amount of potential customers. Don’t forget that iTunes isn’t just available on computers, it’s available on phones and iPad’s too. There has to be SOME protocol.

    The fact is, this is the first time in the history of music sales that artists can DIRECTLY and easily reach millions of listeners. Now they can make the music THEY want to make, they don’t have to keep some huge corporate entity happy anymore by pandering to their inane requests. How an artist could be against this just blows me away.

    Just because a system has rules doesn’t mean it’s automatically bad, without them iTunes would be a jumbled up mess that people wouldn’t like using, meaning artists would sell less music. Period.

  • Anonymous

    I like the way this guy thinks but what happens when cd’s go away? How could you get a flac version if all that was available was a crummy apple 256k rip.

    I hope a service springs up that offers flac or high quality versions because day in the near future there will not be any cd sections anywhere. Perhaps it will come on flash drives but plastic is way cheaper then any flash drive. Anyway one way or another cd’s will give way to digital

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  • Pointless artical

    “a large portion of my listeners simply won’t know how to put my music on their iPods/iPhones.@”

    this is absolute bullshit, anyone can take any MP3 file and through the itunes application put it on your ipod with ease, if this guy was so fucking revolutionary and actually supported the ideas behind torrents then he simply would have included a .txt file within the torrent telling people how to sync his tracks onto there ipods.

    Torrentfreak just questioned someone who is very lucky but also very clueless (about how to defeat the “evils” of Big music media Business monopolys like apple.

    the only reason he did this interview was probably for publicity, On one hand he criticizes Apple, And Yet he is Working With them.

  • Anonymous

    Brilliant article and interview TF. If only the RIAA would listen to artists like Benn Jordan, Trent Reznor, etc.

    But no, money is more important than anything to the RIAA. I see more and more artists giving their music for free and accepting donations. Especially with this generation, where we are tought to share, but be fair. Give it 20 years and big music companies and Apple will be suffering at the hands of people who release their art under GPL licences

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  • Anonymous

    Thus why corporate dominance can’t POSSIBLY continue infinitely. If they deprive citizens of their money through underhanded tactics, who’s left to buy? Free industry reigns, aha.

    My personal thanks go to you Benn. I think that he’s right, the RIAA and MPAA really can’t keep suppressing the people– a force that they greatly underestimate.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    I think you people are not dreaming high enough.

    Sharing is all good and well, but you are constraining your imagination by thinking just about “entertainment”

    We could share food, medicine and products.

    If you live in the U.S. you know how expensive healthcare can be, but even for empoverish countries that is a problem, but there is a solution, DIY.

    What happens if people start producing their own medicine at home for their neighborhoods?

    Not the patented stuff the other stuff that is out there without any patents on it and can be produced by anyone.

    We could do something that would be amazing and would give everyone a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

    Most compounds are made out of biological ones that means you just need to grow the right stuff and learn how to distill it.

    What happens in a world where you are responsible for your well being?

  • Zeng Peets

    Gotta keep it free man, that is the only way dude!

  • Andy

    Well I knew I would absolutely hate this article but didn’t know how long it would take to read something so utterly stupid. It didn’t take long.

    “However, the reality is that music has never been as loved and vibrant as it is today.”

    Are you serious? There is absolutely nothing that could back up such a claim.

    Music should be paid for. Not stolen from artists. One may say, “Well they should just tour more and give their music away.” Has anyone here actually tried touring around the country to make an income? It may be fun, but music sales are needed to support our artists. Paintings aren’t free. Movies (mostly) aren’t free. Even cable television isn’t free. Those are forms of entertainment and artistic expressions. SO WHY THEN SHOULD MUSIC BE FREE?

  • Simon

    As a songwriter/artist who makes a comfortable (no jets or limos here) living with his craft, I can honestly say that without bittorrent or the internet as a whole, no one would have heard my music. I know that my music is being downloaded for free because in some cases I put it there. When the RIAA and the major labels say they fight copyright infringement to protect the artist, they mean the multi-million dollar artist and their own profits, not the little guy.

    I make a living at this and only that. I don’t think me or anyone writing and singing songs is worth what the music industry thinks they are, and I get down on my knees (figuratively, of course) and kiss the earth that lets me do this for a living. I’m grateful to my fans and for what I have, and I’m not ashamed of my tax bracket.

    When the music industry says that there will be no more music because of piracy that is bull, because there will always be millions of people like me cranking out tunes for the sake of their art. It’s not all about the money for some of us…at least not for the independent artists the record companies would rather you didn’t know about.

  • Smartie

    @72 Andy:

    You rail on the interview about not backing up claims but immediately go on to state that “music sales are needed to support our artists.” The amount of sheer cognitive dissonance that’s required to churn out such written manure makes me believe you’re either a paid RIAA/MPAA lackey or just plain ignorant.

    As stated BY THE ARTIST HIMSELF, he does fine financially from tours, TV, etc. Do you know why cable TV and movies require payment? I’ll give you a hint: when’s the last time you saw a movie or TV series performed live, complete with all the special effects and music and everything? You do know that paintings can actually “tour” also right? Or have you never been to your local arts museum?

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  • Anonymous

    @ 74 Dec 26, 2010 at 06:11 by Andy

    Woot?

    You mean pay more?

    People pay when they go shopping, they pay when they go out to eat, they pay when they go to the gym, they pay when they buy apparel, they pay when they buy little trinkets, coffee mugs, T-shirts and of course digital music and books about their idols.

    Free music is like bait. The one that get people hooked on something and they don’t let go but they need the “free” part of it, that is why radio is so important for labels(see “payola”), that is why sharing is no threat to any artist.

    Now for films, I see Kickstarter being the genesis of new projects that are becoming good enough already, people are coming together to produce things that they give it away for “free” and they end up making money in other things. A movie is no just theater tickets, is actors having endorsement contracts to products that are a billion market on their own, even theaters are not seeing bad times, but they should because they are horrible to their customers.

    Ask the people making money on Youtube if they are sad about it, most of them are doing 6 figures now and they absolutely suck but are lovely and gather people around somehow, connection may be the answer to that. People connect and what started as fun starts bringing in money. The record industry lost that appeal, no longer they are fun to be around, no longer they produce something that is crappy but adorable and that is why they will fail. Sharing is the least of their concerns, people have good enough alternatives like Jamendo, that means we don’t need you anymore or we don’t need people like you anymore, go try to sell anything you want, I’m not buying and you are not part of my world, unless you have a liberal license. The sun of my life is in another place and unfortunately sunshine you are not it, you are not the warmth and bright light that shines here, in fact you are nobody to me because you are not where I find things and that place is called CC Commons where I get the right to share and listen to what I want and pay the people who I have emotional connections with.

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  • Steven Finch

    You can also put your music onto the worlds largest online stores for FREE via http://RouteNote.com!

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  • klockwerk

    ITunes power is overrated. I spend many hundreds of dollars on music each year, and ITunes hasn’t seen any of it yet (nor soon will).
    Apple is a media darling because the media needs somebody to get a hard on to.

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  • 9

    Benn guy talks about education costing money and stuff, and how it seperates classes or whatever..
    Any way, today on reddit I saw this link to http://www.khanacademy.org which is a place where you can learn lots of math/science/other college stuff/etc for free using videos.. Google even donated $2-million to them..
    So if you are dumb and poor maybe you can learn some stuff now..

  • TerribleTony

    @JinJin313: According to you, people who cannot afford to frivolously waste non-existent money on 3 minutes of entertainment, are jerks.

    Therefore, your opinion is bunk.

  • TerribleTony

    @logic: In case anyone thinks the anti-copy trolls is a conspiracy theory, it is well known that the Big Four offer placements to IT university students, specifically to file removal requests and post pro-copyright views on blogs. I’m thinking of applying for a position with WB, it’s always handy to have a pirate on the inside.

  • Follando

    About Torrent you can read http://usesearcher.blogspot.com/

  • CopyleftRecords

    Here is a guy who just gets it. Benn Jordan is my hero (and his music kicks ass too). I would never have even heard of him or his music had it not been for bittorrent.

  • iofsfllfs

    yeah even though im down with torrents, theres ppl out there that will still do it, but im basically done with the apple store bcuz i’ve found a really good site ta buy music for 9cents each, basically a $10 cd on itunes i can buy 10 cds for $1 each almost n same quality on another site u can sign up for

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  • Anonymous

    @ 80 Dec 26, 2010 at 21:40 by 9

    So if you are dumb and poor maybe you can learn some stuff now..

    What if you are poor but with an IQ of 140?
    Or what if you are rich with an IQ of 80?

    A good educational resource when it is good, it doesn’t matter what you are or where in the social spectrum you are, it can help everyone regardless of IQ or social status.

    What I took from your comment was that somehow only dumb people and poor need such a thing which is offensive to everyone that tried to learn something.

    And that is a very good resource. People should donate money to that guy he deserves it.

  • Shaggy

    Since when has art, culture and knowledge not been associated with elitism. The body of work that is an album, can represent the most astonishing value for money even at £10. It’s just that nowadays people would rather save money there than live without their mobile, trainers and the huge amount of aspirational, consumer culture, spending opportunities they are made to think they can’t do without.

    The rich/poor divide argument is a complete diversion

  • VIII

    @ 75 Simon

    How about a link to some of your stuff?

  • /etc

    if he found his music in iTune without being paid for it, does it make itune worse than bittorrent? same pirate, only diff one free bit one not. i hate apple!

  • Berthold

    I’d like to recommend this TED talk if I may: http://www.ted.com/talks/matt_ridley_when_ideas_have_sex.html

    It illustrates how much better creativity is off without corporate interference. Music in particular has a rich culture of sharing. Where would we be if the notation system and all instruments had been well-kept proprietary secrets? Big record companies only participate in the exchange to further their own ends, they never give anything back.

    I say, cut out the middle man, lets find ways to give the money to those who deserve it.

    Incidentally, I like Benn’s version of “California Dreaming”.

  • PER CAPITA

    There is a program… Its called Copytrans.
    http://www.copytrans.net/
    Enjoy!
    Die Apple Die!
    http://www.percapitamusic.com

  • Jon

    I didn’t know Google News posted stuff from TF O_O

  • Wayne

    “RIAA” is American btw. Nothing to do with rest of the world and all of the music produced in it.

    I see a lot of people mentioning DRM. You do all know that all content from Apple doesn’t contain DRM don’t you?

    Anyhoo, the way I see it; if people want to download music from Torrent then no problem. If people have the money, a busy lifestyle, and don’t really have the time to sit at their computer downloading music, (then sorting out all of the embedded info and misspelt tracknames) they can simply download it from iTunes (or wherever) whilst on the go, knowing it will come with album art etc.

    Sometimes I purchase, sometimes I torrent, it’s nice to have that option.

  • http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com Ben Jones

    @93 Wayne

    I see a lot of people mentioning DRM. You do all know that all content from Apple doesn’t contain DRM don’t you?

    Actually, that’s not true, as far as I’m aware. A year ago, we published this piece, talking about how Apple REQUIRES DRM on audiobooks. While it’s true that the music has no DRM, it’s not true for ‘all content’ just on iTunes, let alone their apps store (lots of DRM there) or their OS/computers (more DRM there) or their phones (which not only has DRM on it, but this summer prompted the US Copyright office to specifically allow the circumvention of that DRM as a legal act in the tri-annual review of the DMCA, legitimising jail-breaking.

    Here’s a list from the EFF of Apple’s DRM. I’ll see about an update on it, but it’s fair to say that your statement is not true at all.

  • anonymous

    “bit by bit” file sharing technology grows while the music industry crumbles.

  • To: Wayne

    If u know how to Torrent, then you get best metadata, best quality and all the art you need.

    And if artists start to submit torrents themselves, they can include whatever candies they feel like, to please the fans.

    If an artist I like would share their work on p2p, I would gladly hit the Paypal icon on their webpage to ensure they create more great art. Knowing that all the money goes to their own pocket adds a totally new meaning to “purchasing” music.

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  • fubar monkey man

    dude this place is fill with comment of random spreadic nature i find you effective contact utter useless you are a pox on the worild right its your fault your takening the cock in da ass like

    • Jcuffs

      Benn Jordan is now with a major label…check out his myspace. After all this, at his last concert in seattle, there were Monster drink and Smirnoff vodka ads everywhere. What a sell-out

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