OiNK Admin Found Not Guilty, Walks Free
Written by enigmax on January 15, 2010Lawyers have presented their final arguments in the trial of Alan Ellis. The prosecution slammed the ex-OiNK admin, saying that the site was set up with dishonest and profiteering intentions right from the start. The defense tore into IFPI and countered by calling Ellis an innovator with talents to be nurtured. Today the jury returned a unanimous verdict of not guilty, and Ellis walked free.
After a very long wait of more than two years, last week the OiNK trial got underway with the prosecution making their case against Alan Ellis. This week it was the turn of the defense and yesterday both sides had the opportunity to summarize their positions by submitting their closing arguments to the jury at Teesside Crown Court.
Peter Makepeace, prosecuting, naturally painted an extremely negative picture, labeling the Pink Palace as a place designed from the ground up as a personal money-making machine for Ellis.
“21 million downloads. 600,000-plus albums. £300,000. This was a cash cow, it was perfectly designed to profit him and it was as dishonest as the day is long,” said Makepeace.
It is common sense to come to the conclusion that Oink was dishonest, claimed the prosecution lawyer, adding that Ellis knows that it’s dishonest “to promote, encourage and facilitate criminal activity,” and accusing him of telling the jury “persistent, cunning, calculated lies.”
It would, of course, be dishonest to promote “criminal activity”, but Mr Makepeace should be very well aware that the activity engaged in by OiNK’s users is covered under civil law.
Switching momentarily from criticism to praise and then back again, Makepeace said that the OiNK website was a “wonderful machine” for sharing music but noted that while the site had a really good brand name, it was a brand synonymous with “ripping off music.”
University of London professor Birgitte Andersenok gave evidence earlier in the trial, stating that file-sharing didn’t hurt the music industry and led to more sales. Mr Makepeace trashed her evidence.
“It’s nonsense, it’s flannel, it’s verbiage, it’s garbage,” he told the Court.
For the defense, Alex Stein said that Ellis had never knowingly acted dishonestly and that in 2004 when OiNK was launched, it was a “brave new world” on the Internet.
“In many societies he’d be an innovator, a creator, a Richard Branson. His talent would be moulded, not crushed by some sort of media organization,” he said.
The media organization being referred to by Stein was the IFPI, who he said had never requested that OiNK be shut down, and had instead “sat and watched.”
Gazette Live reports that Stein went on to launch a scathing attack on the IFPI.
“They used this site. Their own members used this site to promote their own music and now they’re crushing him. Maybe he grew too big for them, maybe they’ve taken a different marketing approach. I don’t know. But it was decided that this site should be taken down.
“All of us here are being manipulated to some sort of marketing strategy by the IFPI. If anybody’s acting dishonestly it’s them,” he said.
At the end of the two week trial the jury returned a unanimous verdict (12 to 0). Alan Ellis is not guilty of Conspiracy to Defraud the music industry. He walked out of Teesside Crown Court a free man today, his name cleared.
The verdict cannot be appealed and Ellis can finally put the past behind him and move on.
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640 Responses
Justice!
So can we have the palace back then? :-)
Three years of trying to pin something.. anything.. on Alan. How many of MY tax pounds have been wasted on that??? A lot more than any 200,000 in spare donations for OPP.
About time. justice.
EPIC WIN!
Congrats Alan Ellis!
Geoff Taylor, BPI, FACT, MPAA, RIAA and any other parasitic US controlled entity.
YOU LOST. YOU WERE BEAT. YOU WILL CONTINUE TO LOSE.
The public are wise to your tactics now. A jury of 12 peers decided this man was innocent of the ridiculous charges you brought against him.
Will the copyright industry now apologise to Alan Ellis for ruining his life? His name is forever marked on the internet despite this verdict. We all know the answer to that.
The copyright industry have today been judged themselves – guilty of gross abuse of power, guilty of persecuting people who are not breaking the law and guilty of fleecing the UK taxpayer of millions every year in these unecessary court cases.
The public are on to you, its downhill for you from now on.
Some good things do happen it seems.
Found not-guilty of a charge he wasn’t guilty of… Strange thing in this day and age…
Fuck yeah! OiNK ftw!
Epic win and slap in the face to the criminal and corrupt music publishing business!
IFPI, RIAA et all are in it for the corporate profit, they simply do NOT care about artists or consumers.
Thank you guys for supporting me
YEEEEEAH! Justice! :D
Suck it, Raisin brain & no styles
Wow, I’m really happy for this guy.
The police should now go after the IFPI for conspiracy to defraud the poilce!
They intentionally lied and manipulated the evidence so that the police would raid OiNK which is unacceptable!!!!
@Alan – really you? Time to get some compensation? Any plans?
about time that justice has been met!! :)
YES!!!!!
WIN
What a way to start the year..
Alan indeed a justice!
Epic Win!
Brilliant news!! Alan is very talented.
Are you going to re-open OiNK now Alan???
please say yes!
Excellent. Thanks for everything you’ve contributed, Alan
@18 – ugh, I hope not … that means TMT would probably come back, and the world does not deserve that.
Hmmm do not know how to feel about this court decision.
The pirate in me rejoices (also ex-oink here), but my moral compass is going off quite a bit.
Way to go!
@ 21
What has your morals got to do with justice??
Alan did absolutley nothing illegal or immoral.
Best news this month, almost made me cry, really miss the Pink Palace and all it stands for. God Speed Dear Ellen, and thank you again for everything. It pisses me off this has taken over 2 years though.
Will Oink re-open then? A UK court has just ruled that administrating a bittorrent website is a legitimate enterprise.
Will Alan Ellis be suing the BPI for 3 years worth of earnings that have been lost as a result of their misleading Police?
They should have Metallica music in the background: “Justice for all”
just for irony :))
Finally some good news regarding p2p. IFPI you fail. BTW, Oink doesn’t need to re-open. The 2 replacement music trackers for Oink are doing just fine.
@24 – Stop deluding yourself, I bet I’ve pirated more shit than anyone here but I never have any delusions that what I’m doing is at least highly questionable (or just downright wrong).
Could the UK now become a new safe haven for torrent sites?
Fucking sweet!
@Dave and Atheist – too right. how much tax has been wasted? IFPI should pay court costs, police costs and compo for Alan. Might teach them not to pursue pointless prosecutions
Cheers! I am going to drink some beer to celebrate this.
Good stuff, congrats, Alan!
fucking yesssssss!!!
so, invites are comming next week i assume.
ap*
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thow.lili.allen.out
awesome news.
times they are a-changin’
EPIC
WIN
great :)
This is amazing! Now bring OiNK back!
Will raise a beer glass for you.
Congratz.
It’s common sense – he wasn’t ‘defrauding’ anybody. There was no fraudulent activity.
wow, thats great news!!! congratulation Alan!
Looks like there is still justice in the world after all! I guess this blows Mr Doom and Gloom troll out of the water doesn’t it!
Wow … this ruling has put my faith back in the UK justice system.
fantastic news.
Proving without a doubt that a UK jury is far smarter than a Minnesota jury.
I’ll be very interested to see if this case is cited as precedent in any future cases
I surely hope it is!
Reading this has made my day that much better. Congrats to Alan….I knew justice would finally prevail….let’s just hope this is a trend that is going to last for a long time. :)
This decision should hopefully force some major rewriting of the Digital Economy Bill :)
so does this mean it is legal to run a torrent tracker in the UK since theres now evidence of it been tried in court?
oh, and bring back oink
“A UK court has just ruled that administrating a bittorrent website is a legitimate enterprise”
Another misunderstanding of how our legal system works, it’s actually done no such thing.
Btw, I should point out – this won’t be the end of the matter, they’ll probably try through the civil courts, where it will be much easier for them to get a win.
Least he won’t go to prison though.
WOOHOO british justice system. His Piers couldnt convict him. says everything.
so can oink reopen again technically?
wow, i still can’t believe this!!
great news for alan – all the best mate :)
and good news for common sense and the community, here’s to the future …
Looks like I’m on the Rum tonight,All the best Alan.
How odd that there was no mention of the conclusion of this case on the UK national news. When he was arrested it was one of the major headlines of the day, as was the start of the trial earlier in the week.
@ 54
to be fair it was on the BBc before it was on here.
@54
The BBC has a story about it online.
put the site back online now, I have been waiting for too long ! I want justice too
awesome news hopefully it will have a knock on effect with other site owners and admin that are awaitin trial with the same type of circumstances eg the police being involved on trumped up charges
JUSTICE
EXELLENT F**K THE IFPI! RET@RDS!!!!
YOUR GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOSE I HOPE YOU READ THIS!!!!
The reason he walked free is because there was no appropriate law at that time to make running a file sharing site illegal.
However the UK government is currently legistlating to make file-sharing illegal. After the new legistlation comes into place in mid-2010 everything will be different.
This decision means nothing for us, the battle lies in the future with the new legislation. Enjoy this golden age of file sharing while it lasts UK users…
Epic Win
My suggestion for the new site is:
Boink!
good news.
Please, I need the email of the judge to send an email congratulating him, can someone provide?
Fuck yeah, I’m so happy for Alan.
A great victory!
At last some common sense. At least our judicial system still work’s occasionally. Now its time for legislation regarding libel tourism and the supression of free expression and objective views.
A good start to what looks like a good year. Can the recording industry stop this and close already?
great news! puts sweden and hollands pathetic court system to shame!
HURRAH! HURRAH! HURRAH!
Finally, a judge that can’t be bought!
alawyer’s got a point.
does the double jeopardy law apply in the UK?
Got all your gear back yet Alan?
fucking brilliant!
awesome news
@70 Yes but it can be over-ruled on VERY special occaisions if additional evidence has been discoveredand the crime was particularly grievous such as murder.
eggs on faces….
Chief Superintendent Mark Braithwaite, head of crime operations for Cleveland Police, said: “This has been a fair investigation.
“The jury has been presented with all the evidence and we abide by their decision.”
The Crown Prosecution Service defended the decision to prosecute Mr Ellis.
“We believe we were wholly right to bring the prosecution against Mr Ellis and that there was sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction and that evidence was put before the jury,” a spokesman said.
@alawyer
Shutup raisin tard, you lost, we win!
Finally a GREAT news! Cheers to Alan!
WOOHOO!!! I totally didn’t think it would have been this quick and such a great victory. Finally justice
haha, nice dude!
Way to go Ellis!
This is the happiest news in BitTorrent ever.
This is awesome. surely this is going to be a landmark case. Much congrats out to Ellis!
There seems to be a conspicuous absence of Reasoned Mind and whatsisface.Styles in this thread
I wonder why that might be…..
haha :)
at least a judge thinks with his mind not his pocket ^^
RIAA&MPAA===> in your face biatch
YAY!
Let’s hope he gets costs at least.
I just did the happy dance in my chair at work >.>
I’m slightly embarrassed.
Finally good news for us all… now lets get Oink back up and running
Holy shit in a handbasket… That shocks me, utterly shocks me. Finally some justice!
I can’t decide between ‘that was quick’ and ‘ha-ha!’
plus now all the questions
1) money/compensation for allen?
2) return of servers ect.
3) return of oink?
4) *sad* appeal? :(
The Industry will be looking at changing the law to find a way to convict the public netizens of this planet.
You won’t see Reasoned Mind and No Styles here commenting. Too ashamed? We understand.
You can fund the police, you can buy the judge, but it takes an awful, awful lot to buy the jury.
@29 in response to:
@24 – Stop deluding yourself, I bet I’ve pirated more shit than anyone here but I never have any delusions that what I’m doing is at least highly questionable (or just downright wrong).
If you think it’s questionable/wrong, then why are you doing it?
Surely the biggest lack of moral fiber is to go against your own morals, without bothering to think your decisions through and makes choices.
If *you* think you are a criminal, stop being one!!
That’s great news!
He’s a hero!
Sudden breakout of common sense!
EPIC WIN PWNAGE
Now Alan turn the tables on them and take the ifpi bpi police and acting layers for every mother fucking penny they have.
don’t stop till there out on the streets. And then why not sue them personal to and come to think of it you could have them on a hate crime charge too.
Bankrupt them and have them on long jail terms
PURE PWNAGE
I wont congratulate you Alan as you were in the right all the long.
I hope this is the end of it.
“Stop deluding yourself, I bet I’ve pirated more shit than anyone here but I never have any delusions that what I’m doing is at least highly questionable (or just downright wrong).”
In that case, you sir are in the minority. The majority of us believe that copying and sharing is not stealing and should be completely legal. As such, we do not believe that we are doing anything morally wrong, despite what many laws show. Today was a little progress in the right direction, though there is still a long road ahead. Despite that, there are too many of us that feel this way that they will never stop all of us.
probally 9 out of 12 jurors had thier clients up and running, while the trial was underway, sharing content ;)
“21 million downloads. 600,000-plus albums. £300,000. This was a cash cow, it was perfectly designed to profit him and it was as dishonest as the day is long,”
Ut’s a cash cow at 0.50 pounds per album … fine then .. when can we get that price for itunes??
Oh wait .. not a cash cow then is it.
@ 29
Firstly i can 100% guarantee you have not downloaded more then me!
Second we are not talking about us DUMBASS!, We are talking about ALAN.
Also its completley legal to download in the UK, its just illegal to “make available” ie upload/share.
PS. Who gives a fuck about the moral side of it?
Good thing for him ! At last a positive case on P2P ! It was never meant to be a way to ripoff the labels, it was only a way to share and discover what was unavailable ! Power to the customer !
Damn…finally some good news!!!
A win, finally. Never thought that he would win because well, in cases like these, we always lose.
shit!! this sucks….. i hate oink!!! lol,Congratulations!!
Justice has won!
Huzzah!
Congratulations, Alan. :)
with his donations he could afford f lee bailey, johnny cochran, and barry scheck and still have enough to go on a year long bender shooting heroin in his cock while hookers snort lines off it at the same time
A couple of points.
Firstly, buying the judge wouldn’t help. This was a criminal case with a jury.
Secondly, there can be no appeal. The case was brought by the Crown Prosecution Service, the public body that brings all criminal cases in England and Wales. Rules state that they cannot appeal. It is important to understand that the case was NOT brought by the music industry.
Woohoo!
@44 It’s no suprise there,they are after all American…
Epic WIN!!!
@70 The legislation won’t make file sharing a criminal offence at all. You can ‘fileshare’ many perfectly legitimate things, your holiday snaps for instance.
It’s not the act of sharing, it’s WHAT you’re sharing that is being legislated over. Ergo, as torrents are only hyperlinks, not actual copyrighted material, so torrent sites will still exist as legal search engines in the way that Google is a legal search engine. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s the people who choose to use that hyperlinked data who are being targeted if the data they ‘share’ has been covered by a commercially exploited copyright.
IANAL but even I know this basic point of law.
it’s a good day for the interwebz
Victory!
nice, congrat and good layer there
Great great news! Finally some common sense
EPIC WIN!! Just too awesome to describe in words!
Congratulations Alan!!!! He got a jury that knew what p2p was all about. Congratulations for those people and for that court for standing still against the lobby.
I wonder why the only thing the prosecutor could say were negative adjectives when he talked about the figures that say p2p actually helps sales…
Again, congratulations to Alan and all the p2p community. That victory is good for us all.
“unanimous ” – says it all!
Congrats Alan!
@ IFPI – Epic Fail!
Alan FTW!
Eat that BREIN.
Very, very glad this has worked out ok. Respects all.
Glad to hear.
Thanks Alan btw.
Victory!
Music industry – 1
Sharing industry – 23423439398453464
good statistics i think ;\
Sensible jury members, clearly!
Awesome, justice at last!
Ehem… Oh my god. 117 POSTS?!
Well, I’m of course glad he went off… else, why not better sue the ISPs? After all, ALL the copyrighted material that goes on illegal transfers go through them… so they are HELPing pirates.. Does that make sense? You know how much you would harm by doing such a thing? Well… is the same but, in a smaller scale.
two years of BS, finally it’s over.. good for you, Alan!
We finally got a win for freedom. Hopefully that is a step towards copyright reform.
I say a big F#CH OFF to the IFPI and RIAA EAT SH#T and DIE!!!!
FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!
damn right too
IN YOUR FACE REASONED BEHIND!
.!.
duh nuh nah nah nah nah duh nuh nah nah… *breaks guitar on rasin brains head*
stupid maffia you lost. win for copyright reform :)
F|_|CK!
i did not see that coming, i thought the record industry would get that one for sure.
woohoo, this kind of shit never happens.
does that mean he can put the site back up?
so its now safe to host a torrent site in the uk?
@4 Don’t be such an asscock, all of the groups you mentioned are assholes it doesn’t matter if they are from the US, leave the US out of it. These tards are the same no matter where they come from. And before you go off on me being a yank i’m actually a Geordie.
Where’s Reasoned Mind?
Obvious troll is missing.
You fools, he broke no law.
Where’s the trolls response to this?
Obvious troll is obvious.
SUE THE IFPI FOR SLANDER!!!!!
““21 million downloads. 600,000-plus albums. £300,000. This was a cash cow, it was perfectly designed to profit him and it was as dishonest as the day is long,”
Ut’s a cash cow at 0.50 pounds per album … fine then .. when can we get that price for itunes??”
Nah, you got that wrong – 600000 was just the number of albums AVAILABLE.
You have to divide the “income” through the total number of downloads – which gives you an astonishing 1.4 cent per download. THAT really sounds like a good deal ^^
Nice one Alan, I hope you can relax now.
Where IS Reasoned Mind, anyway?
congratulations Alan. it was a tough 2 years but today you have made a lot of people very happy. well done dude, more power to you
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http://www.h33t.com shouts bring back OINK!
@Ragdrazi
RM/neo is cowering in fear for his job!
So when is the IFPI going to post they were defeated on their news part of their site? I know if they would have won it would have already been on there.
Those scumbags.
So what does this mean? Is the precedent set by the Pirate Bay’s kagaroo court trial made a little less iron clad? Fuck, I hope so. I think one thing’s for certain. OiNK had best buy some servers, becuase this is sure to up their traffic.
imo, he should have gotten at least a fine and/or jail time
A large victory for net neutrality. Long live the hydra
UNreall
YES YES YES! On so many levels!
YES! There are still good people out there
YES! We love you Oink!
Yes!
YES AND YES! Thank you to all the jury members out there.
YES!
@131: Cool, I’m not the only Geordie here ;)
I’m really happy for Alan, but to everyone asking, I wouldn’t count on it being safe to host a torrent site/tracker here. Even though Alan won this case, it’s still stupidly risky and will be even more so when (if?) the Digital Economy Bill in its current form goes through.
I bet there were a few file sharers on that jury! :)
@alawyer
You missed the fact that the new legislation may well include exemptions from copyright law for search engines – meaning that sites such as OiNK will be protected against the MAFIAA!
this is some of the greatest news ive heard for a while, finally the system hasn’t caved to the music industry’s bs and are not been used as there own private army, bloody fantastic.
So here is a song for Alan and the ifpi:
http://boingboing.net/2009/12/15/copying-isnt-theft-v.html
-Regards
@Alan
Many congratulations.
Did they seize his funds from his paypal account then?
congrats, mr. ellis. is oink coming back then? i’d love to have my acct. back
IFPI rhetoric ain’t gonna work no more.
Grats to Ellis
“The police should now go after the IFPI for conspiracy to defraud the poilce!”
This. Seriously! They did far more defrauding than he ever did.
waffles are great but bring back the bacon!
The prosecutors must have been really out there… any idiot coming out of law school will tell you that the charges filed would never stick in this case.
The should try charging him with murder next…
Congrants to Ellis and the rest of the world. This is a true victory!
A cute avatar is a must.
The palace has been destroyed by the barbarians and can’t be rebuilt.
I have plans to create the greatest music sharing website evarrrrrrr!!! Will be open by March.
are you listening Darth Mandelson – your boys took one hell of a beating
congrats Alan
This really is good news, too good to report on the BBC. Best of luck with your new project’s Alan
This has made my day, hell, it’s made my month.
Heartfelt congratulations to Ellis and the defense, there’s hope yet :)
This is for the corporations of entertainment parasite their lawers and executives for this one:
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congrats alan :)
Look at this peice of BBC propaganda at the begining of this story and compare to the court verdict:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuwwMZKYxag&feature=player_embedded
Excellent news. Goes to show that extending conspiracy to defraud to a non-profit donation based model does not work. I would love to Know how much this all cost.
Fantastic news I am so happy for him at last some justice,
I hope the government take a look at what 12 independent people have come to a conclusion over OR SHOULD I SAY A SMALL SAMPLE OF VOTERS, beware the government that stamps on its own voters when these people clearly see file sharing as legal and a good way of advertising music and movies , lets make this perfectly clear madelson you shit for brains tit sucking retarded knob “ONE DOWNLOAD DOSE NOT MEAN ONE LOST SALE” if it did the music and movie industries profits would not keep going up and up even though the crap they are putting out theses days is far short of the quality it should be, the future is direct downloads to your computer combined tv multi media centre in everybody’s home and maybe some sort of licence fee to download by the amount the person uses metered ?, Like the tv licence but you will also get lots of advertising, you see going out to a great big building that has to be heated and light in a car that uses fuel is not environmentally friendly and in this day and age a silly waist of energy 40’s 50’s 60’s 70’s technology wake up its 2010.
Is there going to be action against the BBC over this? Their coverage of the arrest 2 years ago bordered on a joke:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7057812.stm
Check out the video in particular – probably one of the most biased news items I’ve ever seen on the BBC, portraying him as some kind of mafia gang criminal, with secret recording of the dawn raid as they colluded with the police (why were the cameras there in the first place?) – and then of course he turned out to be not guilty!
suck on that, IFPI
And anyone was lying it was them! the IFPI and the prosecutor they paid for the profit of their corporate masters, the evil 7 corporations of entertainment parasites!
Fortunately they could not corrupt the judge or the Jury this time.
This was the same lie used against the Pirate bay in front of a corrupted judge who know perfectly well that it was a lie. But when you got money you got money.
What do we do when the liars and criminals are in the court room on the wrong side of the bar and look like judges and prosecutors?
We exterminate!
Very cool, a victory for pirates everywhere!
http://music4humans.wordpress.com/
I miss OiNK. I would love nothing more than to have it back, but Allen being found innocent is the next best thing.
Mr Makepeace was the name of the lying prosecutor? Are you sure?
You are kidding me!
We have a target! we have a target!
Over!
Yes! A major win for torrent sites! I’m so glad this precedent has been set… for so long, we’ve had stupid judges and juries not understanding the difference between inadvertently providing the possibility of access to copyrighted materials and actively distributing copyrighted materials. Finally we have a sensible ruling!
Hopefully, this marks the beginning of a new era in file-sharing trials, when some common sense is brought into the picture… it’s obvious that OiNK wasn’t around to make money, and it wasn’t created to rip off the music industry. Thank goodness this nightmare is over for Alan Ellis…
What ya know? A trial that Big Business forgot to buy out to make into a show trial. In other words, a fair and just trial. Something that Big Business doesn’t want.
LONG LIVE CULTURE SHARING, AMEN
Congratulations Alan! You truly deserved it. They pissed you around for along time and you finally got your day in court. 12-0 just shows you what the public think about this rubbish that the big organisations try and pull..
Power to the people. Love you Alan :)
I was so sure that this case was gonna set horrible legal precedents in the UK when poor, ufortunate, martyred, Allen was found guilty of ‘conspiracy to defraud’.
I have never Been so happy to be wrong! Congatulations Allen!
btw – I am not familiar with british law, but there may be a civil claim here for malicious prosecution. One could at least recoup ones losses on this joke of a criminal trial. Of course the suit would have to be filed against the IFPI, and not the Gov’t prosecutorial body.
Yeah, great news, but stop saying bring back OiNK. No one wants that, stop that shit. Yeah it was great back THEN, I love it, but there are news music trackers that have better collection, equal community, and on better coding than TB. So stop with that shit; plus it ain’t gunna happen.
What = OiNK on steroids. Stay in the grave.
Fuck You ReasonedMind!!! Who’s laughing now?!
I have been following this for quite some time and I am very excited with this ruling.
I agree with many people that have posted: He should counter-sue.
Wow, we are truly showing our real intelligence now.
There was no law at the time with which to charge him, so the Crown Protection Service used the only one they could to try to get a conviction. It is no surprise he was found not guilty. But a loss is not necessarily a loss.
Now the Crown Protection Service and others will hold this verdict up to the Lords and MP’s to show the Digital Economy Bill needs to be passed. It will be said, Without the tools needed to convict people like Alan and without a strong and severe punishment the mass copyright infringements will continue unabated.
Hopefully, the Digital Economy Bill will include the ability to prosecute those past offenders as well. Resulting in him being charged for the correct offense and convicted later on. Double Jeopardy may not apply since he will not be charged with Fraud again.
And the IFPI, BPI and others can file a lawsuit to collect the £300,000, or whatever he has left over, in civil court. Thanks to the Crown Protection Service’ due diligence in finding these monies for them.
Enjoy the freedom to infringe while it lasts, for the law will be changed. You do not have the power, control or the number of people required to do anything about it.
RM
“Hopefully, the Digital Economy Bill will include the ability to prosecute those past offenders as well. Resulting in him being charged for the correct offense and convicted later on. Double Jeopardy may not apply since he will not be charged with Fraud again.”
That’s not double jeopardy Mr. Intelligence, that’s retroactive. A retroactive bill? That’s cool, way to make the UK an even LESS desirable place to live. You guys really have some sweet legislatures. So much for having a voice. Weak, petty, disgusting thing the UK is becoming. Just succumb to your Islamic communities and become an arm of the Middle East, at least you’ll have some fuckin’ conviction behind your leaders.
We are WINNING you are LOSING. Get over it.
“Bread and Circus”
“Wow, we are truly showing our real intelligence now.”
Could not have said it better myself! The intelligence of the people prevails over the tyranny of the corporate greed bags!
I don’t have time to slap you down right now rasin tard, so someone else will have to take the reins!
Great – Yeah but where’s the “Fuck this the judge was bought, the jury was bought.?
Reasoned Mind. I would love to see the BPI attempt to launch a civil Proceeds of Crime Act (POCA) action against someone who has been found not guilty by a jury after running a donation model website. Expecting a bill to come in which will allow Alan Ellis to be prosecuted for actions retrospectively exposes you for being a very poor wannabe lawyer/ enforcer. Study a bit more mate because you are starting to look silly.
wow..
this is good news :)
@RM
Hopefully you’ll read a book and learn what “ex post facto” means.
Sorry, you lose. Sorry, pass as many laws as you’d like, infringement will continue unabated. It. is. over.
RM!!!!
Welcome back! We all were starting to get worried that you’d got bored and wandered off.
You have a genius ability to see victory in the very essence of defeat, and for that I salute you.
So what happens if the Digital Britain report gets held up by the Lords and dies on the ballot paper? I really look forward to reading your fucked up logic on how that’s all past of the next great MAFIAA scheme.
Seriously dude, find a better job. There’s gotta be a better way.
Just admit it. Today YOU LOST!!!!!
@ 186 Jan 15, 2010 at 23:17 by Reasoned Mind
More lies do not make a truth.
@186 (Reasoned Mind):
That settles it, you’re never the same person twice. You’ve never signed your posts before.
double jeopardy no need for that Reasoned Mind the fascist kingdom got rid of that last year.
the old terrorism card was played.
lol at hate crimes you might be on to something there.
what next trail with out a jury……
O’h wait thats all ready happened this week.
The only thing that surprises me is that justice was served in this case, the right party won.
rightly so i ha-tent to add.
Welcome To A Generation Spent.
Ezy Alan Have a nice rest man.
Hey! Reasoned Mind’s back! Welcome to the party RM. Here. Have a drink. We won! You put your side’s BS in front of a jury and look what happens!
And sorry, I don’t mean to break the jovialness here, but you realize that ex post facto laws are strictly prohibited in the UK. Yeah, see they violate and are abhorrent to the very foundations of a free society. Hmm. Scratch an RIAA goon and we see what’s underneath, don’t we.
All hail Pirate Partiet!!!
Aye! The Lad was innocent!
Victory to the People
W0000000000000000000000000T!!!!!!!!!
Good on the jury for seeing through the haze of media spin. Very good news indeed
You have a good eye Briggs @ 195, you are right, I’ve never signed and that’s not my post.
Nor is an earlier post on another thread signed with a small “m”.
Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. lol
But this celebration is premature for an important reason. This was never a copyright case, like the ones for Thomas and Tenenbaum, this was INTENT to defraud, and there’s no proof he INTENDED to commit fraud. Likely he knew it would happen. Clearly he took no steps to stop it. But intent is a high hurdle and his acquittal seems right to me, disappointing, but correct under the law. The irony is, the impostor Briggs referred to has a point. If artists can be ripped-off like this “legally”, the next step will be to make the means more clearly illegal.
I’ve said this before. The inevitable loss of freedom and privacy while online will be blamed on piracy, and surely the laws will be passed, so you’ll have no one to blame but yourselves and cheeky guys like Ellis who was SHOCKED! Shocked I tell you, that piracy was actually being facilitated by Oink. :-)
One Battle won, UFC next.
^ Disregard that, I suck c*cks.
@Raisn Brain
You really are grasping for straws when you use a post of some one who was proven to be an idiot to support your speculative bullshit. Please provide proof of your statements and we will believe you. Otherwise you are just be an uninformed liar!
@203 ‘RM’
na nana naaa na
I’m Spartacus!
GG
Oh gee, did someone put too much rum in your drink RM? See, because again it doesn’t matter what kind of case this was. It would be ex post facto to create a law and try OiNK now. Simple as that. It’s not going to happen, so put it out of your sweet little head.
@rm
“Enjoy the freedom to infringe while it lasts, for the law will be changed. You do not have the power, control or the number of people required to do anything about it.”
haha, thats well funny. Seems to me that it’s the state and the big 4 that don’t have power, control or the number of people required to do anything about it.
btw, Obvious troll impersonating another obvious troll is still obvious.
I guess the the IFPI now realize that just paying off the judge wasn’t good enough.
But don’t worry, the IFPI will know better next time.
Otherwise, it’s really nice to hear that a good guy won for once. concgratulations…WILLIS! WOOHOO!
congrats Alan ! for once sanity has prevailed.
@204
Obvious troll is obvious.
Yeah baby yeah!!! Great news!!!
Well I’d never have thought that’d happen. Wow.
WOW!
This is wicked!
I’m from Teeside, never a prouder moment
No wait, the real reasoned mind has turned up. You can always spot him with his doom laden warnings of oligarchical oppression on the net.
It’s interesting to not that he’s given up on all of the old lines of ‘reasoning’ he used to spout and now just threatens us with jackbooted nazis. Not much of an argument is it really.
Glad to see you posting on this one man, fair play, didn’t think you had it you.
Oink coming back? Hm. Too bad I dont remember what username/password/email I used on it…
But I guees it will stay in the grave.
So is What or the other one the best alternative now? If you are looking for rare out-of-print psych and good vinyl rips? Anyone with accounts on both places? (I´m on one of them).
Congrats Alan. Hopefully there will be no appeal and you can get on with your life.
And to all of you asking for OiNK back, get a grip. This guy dodged a major bullet. He would be wise to stay out of the cross hairs from now on.
One more for the good guys.
“So much for having a voice. Weak, petty, disgusting thing the UK is becoming.”
Thus proving my point. Not enough people willing to stand against the pro-copyright groups to stop what they want from coming true.
“That’s not double jeopardy Mr. Intelligence, that’s retroactive.”
Oh I forgot to use the word “Retroactive” in that sentence.
Hopefully, the Digital Economy Bill will be retroactive to prosecute those past offenders as well.
Happy?
Double Jeopardy is protecting one person against a second prosecution for the same crime. Fraud and Copyright Infringement are two different crimes, so, as I am not a lawyer, I am unsure if it would apply. A Retroactive law would allow for people who committed crimes previously before the law went into effect to be prosecuted now. These are two different things. Where is this intelligence you speak of?
next
“I would love to see the BPI attempt to launch a civil Proceeds of Crime Act (POCA) action against someone who has been found not guilty by a jury after running a donation model website.”
I am not all that familiar with UK laws, but I am pretty sure they have laws against copyright infringement in the UK. Maybe even facilitating copyright infringement which can be used in cilvil court.
Additionally, history shows us, the lack of a criminal conviction does not preclude civil actions from being successful.
“Expecting a bill to come in which will allow Alan Ellis to be prosecuted for actions retrospectively exposes you for being a very poor wannabe lawyer/ enforcer.”
Do you think no law ever gets passed which has retroactivity built in? Again I’m not familiar with UK laws, but I would assume there have been more than one passed in all these many years. It is not an invalid assumption.
I don’t think ‘Expect’ and ‘Hopefully’ have the same meaning.
“Study a bit more mate because you are starting to look silly.”
Ah, who looks silly? That’s rhetorical.
next
“Hopefully you’ll read a book and learn what “ex post facto” means.”
“In some nations that follow the Westminster system of government, such as the United Kingdom, Ex Post Facto laws are technically possible as the doctrine of parliamentary supremacy allows Parliament to pass any law it wishes”
“Ex Post Facto criminal laws are prohibited by Article 7 of the European Convention on Human Rights, to which the United Kingdom is a signatory, but parliamentary sovereignty, in theory, takes priority even over this.”
Ah, I can read very well thanks. Unless this has changed since I last read it.
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“We won! You put your side’s BS in front of a jury and look what happens!”
That was the choice of the Crown Protection Service, but in the end hopefully it will be of benefit.
“I don’t mean to break the jovialness here, but you realize that ex post facto laws are strictly prohibited in the UK.”
Ah, see above. If it is inaccurate please post a link to the correct information.
next
“You really are grasping for straws when you use a post of some one who was proven to be an idiot to support your speculative bullshit. Please provide proof of your statements and we will believe you. Otherwise you are just be an uninformed liar!”
Ah, What about my words requires evidentiary support? Do you believe that the pro-copyright groups are not going to sit in a back-room with the Lords and Parliament and use this to their advantage? Everything else is assumption, but not without recent indications to base those on (See articles on The Digital Economy Bill, ACTA, et al).
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“haha, thats well funny. Seems to me that it’s the state and the big 4 that don’t have power, control or the number of people required to do anything about it.”
Wow, The French sure had the power, control or people to stop HADOPI. Only time will tell for the UK, EU and the US.
Obvious idiot impersonating other obvious idiots is still obvious.
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“You have a good eye Briggs @ 195, you are right, I’ve never signed and that’s not my post.”
Yep, I’m not RM, but I play him on TV. Seriously tho, it is good to see him back.
“I’ve said this before. The inevitable loss of freedom and privacy while online will be blamed on piracy, and surely the laws will be passed”
As I said before there is not enough power, control or people to stop the pro-copyright groups from doing what they want.
RM
you are all thieves stealing my work
What is not very good for older psych albums, or classic rock in general. Sure if you want The Beatles or The Rolling Stones you can find all of there music but for lesser known bands you are out of luck.
great news
all the best for the future allen.
im glad it turned out ok for you m8y
“As I said before there is not enough power, control or people to stop the pro-copyright groups from doing what they want.”
:rolleyes:
you, sir, are a fucking fool.
“Ex Post Facto criminal laws are prohibited by Article 7 of the European Convention on Human Rights, to which the United Kingdom is a signatory, but parliamentary sovereignty, in theory, takes priority even over this.”
The European Convention on Human Rights has been enshrined in domestic legislation by the Human Rights Act. You are right that in theory parliament is supreme but it has passed laws, such as the European Communities Act 1972 and the Human Rights Act which restrict its ability to enact laws contrary to those Acts without overturning the Acts themselves. Anything is possible in an unwritten constitution but passing a retroactive law such as the one you propose is as likely as introducing public flogging for file sharing. It isn’t going to happen.
grats to Alan Ellis!
Good to see not all juries bury their head in the sand and can actually listen to reason instead of listening to whoever brings the biggest pocketbook.
Goon on you Alan! Good on you for standing up for yourself and not rolling over.
The right decision.. finally is the law by which this country was made great, seeing sence.
Is the corporate monster starting to loose the shine it portrayed. The gloss and vinere.
I wonder if this case was not held with a jury (most of which probably belonged to Oink at some point lol), if Alen would have had the same result?
Anyway nice one Alen, be free and sue them to really clear your name.
With regards to a Proceeds of Crime Act action (POCA)The Copyright Design and Patents Act 1988 may well have been infringed by someone.
However, for any action to be successful against Mr Ellis points would have to be proven to a Court that have manifestly not been in this case. After such a defeat the BPI will not wish to take the matter any further. I think Oink can rest well tonight.
“you are all thieves stealing my work”
Sucks to be you.
Can your hear? I’m playing the worlds smallest violin, right here, right now. Just for you.
I agree he should be getting compensation. After all this time of stress and injustice. The guy should be compensated.
Woot! Thanks for everything man! Have a good life! PEACE!
Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!
It’d be nice if Alan could bring the site back up now, I still miss that place…
@ReasonedMind I don’t get you, your clearly all for pro copyright, fair enough everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But how can you sit there and say it’s not ok to download movies music games and so on, when these same companies can clearly rip people off. Ripping people off is a crime but yet your not sitting here spouting your mouth off for that are you? Lets take video games for example, we will use Harry Potter as the rights are owned in part by Warner Brothers. 1, the video game is supposed to be based on both book and movie, the video game takes less than 5 hours to complete. This game is $60 usd or was at time of release, it is beatable by the average gamer in this time not some elite hardcore gamer. This works out at $12 dollars per hour of video game play, that’s a complete rip off, the game devs DO NOT STATE that this game is beatable in such a short time, but downloading is a crime because we are ripping off Warner Brothers. Did you know it can take 1000′s of people longer to actually download the game than it is to beat it, but by your reckoning it’s completely fair to rip people off this way. 2, lets take Terminator, owned by another one of your friends at some lame ass movie company. this game took 4.5 hours to complete again this was a $60 dollar game this works at out $15 per hour of game play or close to it. Not to mention that ALL RETAIL pc versions of this game required an immediate fix as the game exe did not work, so all of those LEGALLY biding people who went out and spent their hard earned cash on a game that clearly did not work. Yet if they had downloaded it it would have been a crime against your ever so loving movie companies. Also before you started trying to justify anything on this post remember that you can’t blame the game devs for this, simply because if I was to get caught downloading this game it would have been the movie company lawyers that would have sent out my C+D letter, not the devs. There are 1000′s of video games that suck balls all that are owned by the movie companies which suck, you can’t take these back to the stores for a refund. So any one who buys a pathetic game is out of money, conned into buying something that’s crap. Where is your bleeding heart morally justified statements for them. Now lets take all movies that suck which is most of them. Where is your statement saying “oh you bought and paid for a movie that wasn’t up to par, here have a full refund because you were clearly ripped off because of a trailer you saw only showing the 2 minutes of good quality thats in the movie.” You always come here and bitch about the people who download things, but you never say ANYTHING about the amount of times movie companies are ripping people off with crap. No it is not the fault of the buyer, it is the fault of the company that allows this junk to be sold. If you buy a car and its not as advertised you can return it and get your money back, but stores refuse to do this because game and movie companies won’t take opened products back. So before you start bitching about how the movie company is loosing millions, think of the millions that have been ripped off, or are you just to blind to see what they do?
fuck yes
pigs do fly
Not trying to troll here, I did try re-wording but it just ended up sounding even worse (no, really)…
If he gets to keep the money, he might have to be very careful what he spends it on. If it was given/taken under the heading of ‘for running costs’ then that might limit what he can do with it, otherwise there might be a separate charge for fraud.
This would be for defrauding the donors because it could be considered as misrepresentation for financial gain. Or is this precisely why he had so much money stacked up? There’s only so much gold plating and fluffy dice you can add to a server…
That said, once he got enough to cover the running costs he probably ought to have stopped or at least limited taking donations under that heading.
236 Jan 16, 2010 at 01:58 by lol
I make you right my man….
@ Reasoned Mind and his followers and impersonators
If these politician’s are being told what to do by the film and music industry we the public can voice our outrage in the next elections.
When the Piratebay’s trial began membership for the political Pirate Party in Sweden rose from 10k to 50k.
See this.
Congrats. A great start to a new year. :)
So welcome RM2. So we have a new troll here at TF then.
Well that was quite a diatribe wasn’t it. I’ll let others pick apart the stupidity of your rant towards them, themselves.
With reference to to your response to my post:
“Wow, The French sure had the power, control or people to stop HADOPI”
So are you seriously telling me then that anyone in France with the inclination to download is really suffering any kind of restrictions on their behavior whatsoever? Really, do you think? Would that be like how Chinese teenagers don’t know how to get round the great firewall of China? Or even just like your average school kid circumventing their schools porn filter? HADOPI is just a law, it’s not even a easily sidestepped IT solution.
You’re really gonna have to try harder.
Its a great day today for humanity.
Congratulations Alan! An extremely important win in no time at all (once the trial actually started that is).
@236 lol
You’re right they are ripping us off. The Music Industry is also ripping the artists off too.
It’s the industry that’s the real people who are ripping the artists.
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/735096–geist-record-industry-faces-liability-over-infringement
Very bad day for humanity
Today is a good day. Suck it, IFPI.
FAN BLOODY TASTIC WELL DONE
I was a labour voter all my life for over 40 years until they took that corrupt prick madelson back into the government, that was bad enough but then he got into bed with the movie companies and started fucking up my hobby of watching films and taking what little joy was left in my life away, I served the country in the Falklands and was incapacitated for the rest of my life and they pay me a stingy pension that means I can’t afford to pay out lots of money going to see a film who the fuck am I hurting if I can’t download it and watch it in private for my own enjoyment I certainly can’t find the money to go and see it so its no lost sale you government basterds, I give you my legs and you take the little joy I have left in this crap life , don’t make the mistake of thinking I am the only silver surfer out there who you have and are continuing to lose the votes of ,
Ps: if I had legs I would kick mandelson strait up his anus with them.
Yours, MM
Haha Nice :D
Go on lad!
EPIC WIN WIN WIN WIN!!!
BEST NEWS IN MONTHS! So happy!
I doubt Oink will be reopened, What is already much larger anyways.
Well done! This is a huge milestone and will be remembered as the turning point for P2P everywhere.
MAXIMUM WIN
congrats to u alan for making this happen!!!!
The community will live on in the uk for now. I thought our law stunk untill this wot a result w00t.
Congratulations Alan.
Epic win is epic win for file sharers everywhere!!!!111
this was a triumph!
I’m making a note here, HUGE SUCCESS!
I hardly ever post anything…anywhere BUT. This proves what their alterior motives are and have always been. No matter what crap thay give us… we have to pay and that’s just wrong. If, say, at walmart, my mp3 player does not work expected… I get a full refund OR a trade off. Why should any digital industry deserve better treatment. We are onto something here. Lets stick with that and justice should prevail.
HIP HIP??
Big win, for Alan E, and for the online community.
And a VERY big, VERY justified, and VERY long overdue public kick in the teeth for the copyright thugs.
Thank you to the jury for using some common sense and common decency, and seeing straight through the pathetic obnoxious drivel the prosecution and their client spewed up.
Erm, in no way did I want to see Ellis found guilty, but as far as I see from the information provided during this trial both sides are lying pieces of shit.
cheers alan ellis!
hahah they got owned :D
@freg:
Ellis has not lied about anything, how could he have the chance?
#1 He owns the site and controls what is allowed.
#2 Found not guilty by a Jury of impartial peers.
#3 YOU FAIL.
Amazing. Justice has been served.
Way to stick it to The Man!!
@ 204 Jan 16, 2010 at 00:13 by Reasoned Mind
Too bad you are currently violating cyber-terrorism laws.
You Freaken pirates! I hate you! I hate you all!
How do you want my bosses to continue ripping off everyone after a farce such as these one?
And since we are all a pack of pederasts in the entertainment industry if we can not get any money how are we going to continue our pederast activities without going to jail?
These judges are expensive you know!
Can someone explain to me why they feel piracy is right? Seriously… why do you feel the moral high ground when you download someone’s music or films or games etc and use them for free?
Just wake up and Dreams goes on. This just 2good so spill some coffee on my keyboard, ;-D. Yippeee!!!!
Result!!! Nice one Ellis. :D
offf top
Raissin Brein Troll is rolling again. He now verry verry sad and anggry, leetle crybaby.
How embarressing. I’m amazed anybody believes the ‘downloading more means buying more’ bullcrap – do the math!
If everybody who downloaded bought more, then CD sales would’ve increased over the past decade- IDIOTS…
M@
People don’t seem to recognize that there have been far more guilty verdicts and this is perhaps the first innocent verdict rendered. Alan Ellis seems to have the luxury of being tried in a country who’s doesn’t appreciate the value of copyright.
i feel justified sharing my music and files around. Im NOT pirating. Im NOT on the high seas with a ship killing people. The dictionary definition of pirating 1) a person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea.
Using the word pirating is media spin. STOP USING THAT WORD. IT IS FILE SHARING.
YES!!! Justice is indeed served… the courts definitely got it right. I would love if we could get OiNK back! I miss that pig!
2 271 Jan 16, 2010 at 06:32 by Dave
Who exactly are you talking to? First and foremost, bittorrent has nothing to do with piracy, copyright infringement or illegal filesharing. No more than the post office is responsible for anthrax attacks. A victory for bittorrent is not a victory for pirates, it is a victory for every living person.
@ M
Well, to see how sales are doing, perhaps we should look at the industry’s figures
http://ktetch.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/p2p-hurts-uk-music-sales/
WOOT!
@271
If you read some of the millions of comments on the internet you will see people are sick of being ripped off by the movie/music/games industry.
Payback is a bitch.
Sadly the only ones that got ripped off were all the people that donated to his site. Taking donations beyond your servers needs IS dishonest.
Congrats Allan!
Congratulation Allan! The weight lifted from you by this decision must be enormous! As far as the funds he had, I think he should keep it just for the stress and damage that has been done to him due to this farce of a case brought against him. We all owe him a debt of gratitude both for the service he provided and taking the battle to the enemy and defeating them!
Off subject…
I had a disturbing thought, what if raisin brain/neo.tard have children? What kind of crap are they teaching them and what kind of life must they have with a parent of such obvious twisted, deranged mentality? Sorry bastard probably keeps them chained up in a closet or cellar, deprived of any contact with normal people or the internet!
Amazing! Best of luck to you moving forward Alan!
OiNK rulez!
oink oink!
Yep agree…
Hey stop! I’m not in the mood. Lights off now -_-
@204 you’re fake
and I’m the real Ma-coy
Do not trust him!
“As I said before there is not enough power, control or people to stop the pro-copyright groups from doing what they want.
RM”
I do not agree. I would say something to the opposite end. Authority consisting of a very limited number of people hardly has any power or control. Once people believe firmly that this authority does not act in their interests – that’s it.
“The defense tore into IFPI and countered by calling Ellis an innovator with talents to be nurtured”
Congrats, Alan
OiNK Users must be tickled Pink ;P
@Delisquescent Mind
Retroactive laws are the open door to totalitarism.
That’s why they are usually against constitutions of democracies.
Let’s take a stupid example :
You bought a green sweater last year.
But since that time, green sweaters have become the sign to know if people belong to a terrorist group called greenqaeda.
So, as a law abiding, nothing like a terrorist citizen, you just trash your green sweater.
But someone sees a picture of you at your kid’s birthday party, the year before, wearing that green sweater, and sends it to the police as evidence.
Retroactivity now enables the police to say : this guy is a terrorist, he used to have a green sweater. Now not anymore, so he must have gone undercover.
So you go to Guantanamo and spend 15 years there, saying you’re innocent and getting tortured for nothing.
Retroactivity is the most dangerous thing one can see in a law. That’s why nobody tolerates it in free countries.
Excellent!
Congratulations to Alan and for all in the community. Justice has been served :-) What a beautiful day
GEEZ! 292 comments! Great job Alan! Gratz!
@276
Obvious troll is obvious.
Justice is served.
congrats to Oink and pirates all over the world. Been partying since news broke earlier :-)
congrats to Oink and pirates all over the world. Been partying since news broke earlier :-)
all are welcome at http://www.sharevirus.com . Sharing is caring.
Removed
brings tears to my eyes!!!
Justice has indeed been served.
Reasoned Mind is sad… and we can tell
Excellent News
congrats Allen, this a epic win :D
bring ONIK BACKKKKKKKK
right when is oink.cd returning???
seriously congrats to alan!!
Brilliant news, very pleased to hear that. Just hope it hasn’t taken too much of a toll on him.
Longest comment thread ever lol
Is is true though?
Well, according to figures from the UK music industry themselves, the answer is No.
Read more here.
Justice has been served. Now open it up already so we can get back to discovering great music.
When are the signups going to open on oink.cd?
Ha Ha
Congrats Alan Ellis…!
Yay!
Oink will open up soon.
Well done Alfie!! Proud of you mate – we’ll catch up soon!!
Congrats Allen, This sure is a Epic win.
12 to 0 !!!! LMAO
Epic.
so do these mean oinky is coming back??
What ever happened to the 5th uploader Matthew Wyatt, was he cleared too?
@307
The thread on the initial story about TPB’s sale during the summer was a lot bigger than this… I think it broke 600 comments.
Im
R eally
M ad
Fuck ya! Can’t wait to see if OiNK comes back.
This must have some bearing on the ongoing Filesoup case surely?. In a good way I mean. I am sad to see it down as it is now.
Brilliant! Now take them to court for slander.
GG Mr. Ellis!
ALL BRITS SIGN THIS! GET YOUR MATES AND BRO TO SIGN TOO
“We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to abolish the proposed law that will see alleged illegal filesharers disconnected from their broadband connections, without a fair trial.”
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/dontdisconnectus/
EPIC WIN FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE ,At the last count there is estimated to be between 6 and 8 million file sharers in the uk most over voting age now if madelson gets his way who do you think they will vote for the government that has taken away there little pleasures ?????? or will they make a protest vote, be very careful labour you mite shoot your self’s in the foot if you piss of all those file sharers, 12 GOOD AND TRUE people a small sample of the electorate have shouted ENOUGH .
Great news.Glad he is free but some of us are not free from the vile stench of corporate music.
Boycott the scumbag RIAA Corporate KRUD
Great! :-D
This is justice! Great news
Bring back oink!
@29
No, you stop deluding *your*self. There is nothing wrong with sharing music. It promotes culture and if anything encourages people to support the bands they like. Nothing about paying $20 or even $10 for an album is ‘moral’. You have fallen victim to the great media machine’s propaganda. Artists see pennies for each album you buy compared to the label’s several dollars. Support your band for real by seeing concerts or donating directly.
so basically he can open up Oink again and the Labels can’t do shit. VICTORY!
GREAT!
Congratulations!
Justice has been served… We Now Take Over Once Again, Motherfuckers >>>>
Good news for us
Haha fuck yeah another victory for the pirates of the UK
Couldn’t agree more!
All that copyright mumbo jumbo is propaganda by the industry.
Your propaganda is failing.
Most artist are in favour of filesharing. 50 Cent, Nelly Furtado, Blur to name a few…
The only way artist make real money is via concerts. Only way to sell tickets is exposure like p2p, forums, facebook (Look at Rage Against the Machine success). The record label hate that and hate filesharing because they believe they are losing money, even though year after year sales of singles, album, and even going to the cinema, DVD sales are breaking records. They think they are losing millions. How many people buy a DVD because they watched a movie on TV and liked it? I’d say all have. I for on have bought movies I watched in Cinema and TV and really liked it (Ocean’s Eleven, Mission Impossible, Braveheart, The Usual Suspect, to name a few). It doesn’t mean because I heard a track on Radio or watched a movie on TV, I wouldn’t buy them. Well in fact I do like the rest of the people.
Trolls may want to read from the horses mouth.
http://torrentfreak.com/50cent-file-sharing-doesnt-hurt-the-artists-071208/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2001/apr/05/onlinesupplement1
http://www.diariaa.com/fame-artists-speak.htm
To all you trolls out there…
Obvious troll is obvious.
A very rare win. Congrats, its nice to see the system work once.
Great News!!!
Congrats! its a not win for Alan. Its a great win for all File sharers!!! cheers.
Best bit?
The record companies, the prosecution, will have to pay costs!
LOL! LOL! ROFL!!!!!
Congrats!
I guess this proves that “peers” are a good thing! (wink, wink! nudge, nudge!)
Congratulations!
pam pam !!!
IN FACT
the american based RIAA in canada called the CRIA doesn’t even pay artists any money
its being sued for 6 billion
and we in canada are FORCED to pay a 26.7 cent levy on every cdr to these thieves
Would be interesting to poll the members of the jury to see why they voted the way they did. Not disagreeing, just wondering.
@ IFPI and your pathetic lawyers…
http://nelsonhaha.com/
congratulations :)
this brings tears of joy, def epic win, screw the media organizations for the falsehood that they promote regarding that artists r hurt bcuz of piracy, piracy helps artists, end of story
This is great news, I hope he goes home and takes a well deserved rest and try and move on from this nightmare brought upon him from above.
Finally some justice. As everyone else, I hope this means that Oink will soon be back. It was the best BitTorrent tracker I have ever used.
Congrats!
take that industry!!!!
thats an importent win!
WOW! Over 350 comments!!!
And a link in TPB main page. Awesome. Indeed a great victory. But it’s still not safe to host site there unless you take the necessary precautions.
RM may scream and advocate in favor of his beloved MAFIAA and the copyright but it’s clear (not by this case mind you) that copyright will need to be reviewed and reformed as it is already dead. It’s a matter of time the labels are bend under our weight. Under the weight of good people that aren’t a tiny bit of what they paint.
Again, congratulations Alan.
I’am Glad to see this news… Oink will be always present in our souls.
Just as long as hit & run artists are busted is ok with me as there is way too many.
It’s hard to believe how many exist here and elsewhere regarding torrent dL’s.
All DL’ers should be sharing at a 1-1 ratio but unfortunately this is not the way it is ….. most just DL a file then run without sharing anything.It’s these types that deserve to appear in a court of law as far as I’m concerned.
Nice. Screw greedy idiots.
Nice, for once there is justice :D
To cite BBC: “Oink did not host any music itself, it indexed the files users had available on their computers for others to download.”
This sums it up. Torrent sites are not commiting any copyright infringement anymore than any search engine on the net.
I know US corporations made it so even that was illegal there, but for how long will the rest of the world keep up with that?
It is their model that is obsolete, it is them who should go. Artists can get more money with anonymous tips online than what they ever will being slaves for the labels, and Internet is the best promoting system, payola and old fashioned marketing monopolies are irrelevant today.
The Recording Industry is not needed, the faster they go, the better for all. It is a war from a for a few rich elite vs the masses who want culture to be shared freely.
Never doubt who is the immoral here.
Sharing is spreading culture, not killing it. Nice that even the jury see it that way.
congrats Allen
Great Justice
hahaha what a huge waste of time from all these idiots. and by the way, the only thing you did was create 2 new huge music sharing websites once oink went down.
you guys prosecuting him are idiots.
okeeee good job
Wow! Great news…!
dude wait a go………hope u would start oink again..
all the best alan :D
I’m not a OINK user but congrats!!!
Well done guys! Im happy for you, jail is for REAL criminals. Greetings from Argentina!
Nicely done! I need to take a dump now, so brb.
” Alan Ellis is not guilty of Conspiracy to Defraud the music industry. He walked out of Teesside Crown Court a free man today, his name cleared.
He’s been found not guilty of the charge as stated above.
THATS NOT the same as saying filesharing is legal.
BEWARE Micro-piglets stalk your dungeon
to note Alan was brought up on different charges than TPB and had the benefit of a jury. Alan himslef had no intention of defrauding the music industry, it was his users that did that.
is it possible for IFPI to bring changes of ‘facilitation’ ala TPB?
great news and a landmark decision, but lets not get carried away. #336 ‘most artist (sic) are in favor of filesharing’ righto
Damn “the man”!
great job, congrats
YES! This needs to be done everywhere. If all 1,000,000,000 p2p users stand up this is what will always happen. censorship? not on my internet.
i never thought this would happen. i hope this shows signs of the future and wasn’t just a fluke.
Finally some justice in this corrupted world!
Congratulations Alan Ellis =)))))))
One for the history books! LOL they had a jury!? ….see I knew people were like minded…its these corp faks we have to deal with…
i love file sharing but all you people saying that file sharing is not a crime, you need to re/think the big picture.
file sharing is common for stuff that you would usually pay, not some sleeky files your friends make and suck, but rather movies with budgets of millions of dollars that expect money return, music from artists that spend alot of time on the road and then some more time without profiting to create another cd to be able to go on the road again, playing a game which during development time literally costs money becaus the company is paying people before the procut comes out.
people who create this stuff cannot live off air, thats why prices apply. it-s an age old trading system, aka currency.
if there-s a price tag on something, getting it without paying is stealing whatever way you look at it.
im not saying things must not change and easily accessible file sharing should stpo, i-m just saying don-t ilude yourself into thinking that downloading paid stuff for free is not stealing and for the love of god stop saying stupid things like justice is made.
He got bloody lucky. Everyone seems to think he didn’t break the law–and sure conspiracy to defraud the music industry sounds like a bollocks charge to begin with–torrents may just be “hyperlinks” but they’re hyperlinks to copyrighted files.
Ellis didn’t run the show alone, he had admins that can easily verify torrents if they’re copyrighted or not and he chose to ignore that fact anyway. I agree it’s no different than searching Google for torrents, but why doesn’t the IFPI lobby to get a clearly worded law against torrents then? Because it’d create a storm of epic proportions for them.
“…calling Ellis an innovator with talents to be nurtured”
Maybe if he starts a new site the wanker will learn to code a compatible tracker instead of being a megalomaniac little twit.
You should counter-sue for court and attorney fees!
great :)
I was a member of OiNK. I tried to join What.CD and Waffles.fm, but it was five times harder than what I went through to join OiNK.
Glad to see that the old community is returning! =D
Maybe this trial can be used by the piratebay guys on their appeal to overturn their case.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
The fact is that an estimated 1/3 to 1/2 of all internet users in North America and Europe use P2P for aquiring copyrighted material, something which can be, and often is, argued to be illegal.
Logic would dictate that if such a large percentage of the population are participating in something that is considered to be illegal that the law needs to be changed or at the very least looked at and reworked.
Laws that turn such a large number of the population into criminals are bound to fail and on top of that are totally contrary to the concept of “democracy”. Lawmakers need to make the will of the people prevail and remove all ambiguity from the laws in regard to P2P and flat out make it legal.
congrats!!!
@377: speak for yourself. You and whatever others you impersonate (not Reasoned Mind though, but the “I file share a lot more than you, but I don’t think it’s right”. Well guess what, WE do think it’s right. We DON’T think like you. It’s not polite to project your thoughts on the rest of us, didn’t your mommy told you that?
Get over it. Simple.
YES!
GG!
Well done mate this is why we need people like you, Slightly of topic, THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DOWNLOAD OK lets put this straight ,1- if you buy something lets say a movie and you want to share that with other people you must first break the encryption on the disc A VERY SIMPLE THING TO DO why because the same companies that make the encryption also sell the software to break it they are on both sides of the fence making money from whoever is willing to give it to them,2- trying to turn back the tide of p2p is not going to work no mater what laws any government makes as technology goes a lot faster than any government body i.e. tracking ip addresses is pointless if the user is using for example any number of proxies or privacy tools like VPN software, 3- the business models of the big music and movie companies has to change or they will simply die out like old horse drown milk floats, 4- what they need to do and very quickly is forget the massive building you have to go to in order to watch a movie this is old top hat stuff people now have 40 50 inch lcd and plasma TV’s with surround sound and god knows what else we don’t even like going on public transport anymore that’s why there are so many cars on the road theses days compared to 20 or 30 years ago, everything straight to DVD and also available to download at a sensible price i.e. the more you download the cheaper you get it, I pay private sites over £50 pounds a month to view movies online I would be happy to give that to the movie companies instead if they can get there act together and I don’t have to go to some great big building and sit next to a stranger and try to hear the flipping film over some noisy twat munching on crisps and ice-cream telling his snotty kids to shut the fuck up as he can’t hear ether, then some old cunt needs a piss and needs to get past, after that the 7 foot bastard in front sits upright in his seat and you only see the top of the screen, then one of that fuckers kids farts and turns it into 7D smellavision and you wish the fuck you hadn’t taken your hairy balls and all that time to go that 9 fringing miles in the jag that only does 11 mpg to HEAR “crisp munching” TO SEE “a fucking massive head of hair on a giant freak and “SMELL”some little bastards bum gas for two fucking hours FUCK THAT FOR A GAME OF SOLIDERS.
VGG!
Oldschoolers (Demonoid, Oink, PTB) FTW!!!
for ever
Everyone knows that he was guilty really let’s be honest. You that illegally download music/films etc from torrent sites are killing the industry, especially on an independant level. If anyone can tell me how downloading smaller,indie label music is good for those labels I will give you a million punds. It’s theft no matter which way you look at it and all of you that download illegally should be ashamed and one day very very soon the effects of you illegalities will be clear to see.
@391
Can’t tell whether you’re trolling. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, though.
Not the jury, evidently.
Good. The recording industry is the scummiest, most immoral business I’ve ever encountered. Let the labels die a fiery death and let artists regain control.
Notwithstanding the fact that the motion picture industry isn’t much better, tell me how the industry is dying when Hollywood keeps posting record profits.
Indie label = smaller than major label
Indie label’s promotional and advertising power indie label’s exposure
Therefore, major label’s sales > indie label’s sales
Advertising = exposure to product
P2P = exposure to product
Therefore, P2P = advertising
Given: Music on p2p networks are not discriminated against based on record label. Therefore, all artists have an equal chance of being popular on p2p and being widely available.
The set amount of exposure benefits indie labels more than major labels.
Therefore, p2p networks increase awareness and, inevitably, sales of indie music.
One million pounds, please.
No it’s not. P2P users take nothing from anyone. Come on, really? The notion that copyright infringement is “theft” has been challenged, slammed and disproven for years. Stating it just makes you look like a troll because it’s obviously so wrong yet you say it anyway.
Why?
You mean reestablishment and expansion of fair use, legalization of noncommercial infringement, and the brutal demise of Big Content? Yes, please. Bring on those effects as soon as possible.
@279 – exactly
everyone who celebrates this as a victory is probably a retard and should be caught and put to justice
@391 …i’ve got a friend playing in a band, they’ve got quite a few gigs every month and they give out their CDs for free…are you telling me people take away money from him by stumbling upon his music on the web (if its there at all) are you serious??? it’s free advertisment, if they like the music who knows they might come to a gig AND PAY AN ENRTY FEE TO GET IN (i made the important bit bold in case you didn’t notice it)
victory for pirates*
@377
Then I guess I’m stealing when I drink water from a water fountain, because I’m not buying bottled water.
Seriously. Theft and infringement are totally different things. “Theft” is just a propaganda word circulated by Big Content and lapped up by antipirate trolls.
yes i RASTAFARI bravo !!!
SHARING WILL NEVER DIE :!
at least as long as i m alive :)
YYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!
thepiratebay.org/user/sctv83
ALL BEST REGGAE ANTHEMS come and please urself my friend COME COME AND LETS SPREAD THE GOOD VIBZ yes i bomboklat !!!
JAH BLESS Y “‘ALL
Good news :D
PRECEDENT MUTHA’ FUCKA’
The industry lost when they tried to suppress the audio tape some decades back. They tried to suppress it because they believed it would put an end to their precious profits. They failed!
They also lost when they tried to suppress the video tape for the same reasons. It is ALL about PROFITS for them, and they couldn’t care less about the content creators, and they sure couldn’t care less about the consumers.
This one happening with the internet is just another battle they are fighting–the biggest one yet–and they will LOOSE!! In their eyes we are ALL pirates, including the ones in here who so vehemently defend them. But the backlash is that people everywhere are seeing them for what they really are. The comparison of them to the mafia couldn’t be more correct.
Good news.
Fuck yeah!
God has spoken!!!
@ Martin
I won’t bother to take your post apart because that has been done nicely already. I will quote, one more time, for you since you seem to be ignorant of the definition of theft and how it is related to copyright infringement. Sorry to everyone else who has seen this info before, but the uninformed need to know!
Yeah!
Let the pigs fly free …
Also Martin try reading this article about who is the thief…
Warner, Sony BMG, EMI and Universal face up to $6 billion in damages for pirating a massive 300,000 tracks.
Alan-
Long live the Pirate Bay KING! Cheers from the USA… we’re not all bad!
xo
Magnificent.
Epic Fail
He made $$$ off other peoples works.
Send him too jail.
Its theft??
Hahhahaha
Its on the internet for everyone to enjoy. how can that be theft??
i have a copy of something. if i keep it doesnt it make it theft when its available everywhere on the net?? hmmm Theft is when you own something and someone steal and you dont own it no more! intellectiual property is so not ownable when everyone can own it at once.
But congrat!!! Glad justice is served, i would try to get compesation from record company like 40 million for ruining a man’s life.
thx2all
pigs on the ping
pink floyd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmCKvY684WI
pigs do fly!!!!
congrats alan
i noticed some one mentioned “metallica” even though “metallica” was one of the first bands to bring sue against its listeners. back when napster was still going. got to love them they love there fans as long as they are getting paid in the process. if not put the fuckers in jail.
@ 392 Jan 17, 2010 at 01:24 by Martin
Indeed, p2p is killing the industry so fast and in an incredibly utterly evil manner. That can be seen from the profits of the entertainment industry as a whole. Those record profits they posted this year and the fact that their income has actually risen over the years is just the companies putting some make up in the figures so their stocks won’t go down the hill. [/sarcasm]
Please ppl, proof of what you say. Post record losses from the companies, post unbelievable news from artists dieing in hunger and lack of money. Please.
nice!
Go look at tpb front page!
Will OiNK be back?
Congrats!!!
Justice may be delayed, but in this case it is not denied! A victory for free speech and democracy.
IFPI should be fined and made to pay legal expenses for Allan and a much larger sum to the UK treasury for wasting UK tax payers money.
EPIC!
and when you make news that you dont pay artists since the 80′s and that you go around suing eveyone including disabled and dad people ya know eventually it will be hard ot find a jury that could possibly favor you
enjoy hollywood
time is coming to the end
maybe you should not have arrested that old lady bringing a bit to eat into the theatre
or arrest that lady having a party and videoing what should have been a happy event
…..sooner or later you get what you deserve
grats alan :)
thanks to all of You.
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Congrats! I agree they should be made to pay Allan’s Court Expenses.
No justice, no peace!
I guess there will be peace now… atleast for OiNK :-)
Congrats.
This is Justice and Freedom.
Yeah Man. Happy for you.
There are no right or wrong just take side. Money brings shit most of the time but they don’t know any other way because they have the cable down the brain.
Let’s turn it like this : stupid people want to pay, let them pay the other want to enjoy let them enjoy.
Karma.
JUSTICE!
More good news, the house of cards that the Big 4 music cartel built begins to collapse…
Trouble at EMI
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article3176868.ece
And they call us thieves…
Price fixing case against RIAA reinstated by 2nd Circuit
http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/#6567482304471093068
Yay! Go Alan! =D Screw the music industry and those unfair copyrights!
can i has account back now
Congratulation,Mr.Ellis!!!! Finally,this whole BS lawsuit is over,and you can move on with your life and other pursuits.;-)
“Long Live Oink!”
I am truly happy for you man. Welcome back to Freedom!!
rock on alan
Greedy, dirty, selfish music industry going after kids and single mothers can now enjoy the public power of revenge and lots more to come. We fight back now & enjoying every moment of seeing you suffer. Ahahahaha suck the verdict & bow down to me for forgiveness. Justice is sweet!!
GIVE
MY
LITTLE
PINK
PIG
BACK!!!
I love it when the Courts get it right! VICTORY!!!!!!!!
RIAA should be taken to court. let’s start a world wide complaint against them for once. I bet it’ll be no problem to obtain a million or more signatures for evidence of racial attacks, abuse of power & 3 illegal actions taken this past year I have noticed.
Comon world let’s take them all the way to the bank
RIAA taken to court! Great idea & you can have my sign no problem!
Congratulations Mr Ellis, I´m real glad things came out this way!
Hollywood, WMG – Ellis 0:1
Do not invite Reasoned Mind to parties. He is no fun.
Congratulations!
Finally Justice is truly served! Well done to the jury. IFPI can suck a fat one.
I’ve been exposed to so much obscure music from file sharing. So many things I would have never even given a chance if I had to buy it.
As a result, I’ve dumped hundreds of dollars into new artists.
The world is changing, Viva La Oink!
Justice is truly preseved!!! AWESOME!!!!!!!
wow, this really made my day when i read this article, good for you dude!!
hopefully, we`ll see more of this in the future (well, not really i guess, noone else needs that headache of being dragged into court), a huge victory for all of us…SHARE ON my friends… :)
As Trent Reznor (Nine inch nails) Said it best:
“steal and steal and steal some more and give it to all your friends and keep on stealin’”
More less, Music shouldn’t be media eye candy, it should be distributed/advertised by the people, not the government/RIAA/Whatever, The fans of music, should be the music, Not the ones who get payed to fuck us around.
(I say that with the most respect to the artists of the music)
…But not the record company’s.
Wtf is Oink? Never even heard of this website, rofl.
@447
Oink was a torrent site with over 200,000 members who shared their music with each other meaning they never then bought it therefore meaning the artist never got anything for their hard work. Also it transpires that the owner of oink was getting around £15,000 a month from donations which he said went towards server costs, £15,000 a month for a server? Err, do the math. The fella made a fortune and has now gotten away with it. He’s a thief, anyone who downloads music without paying for it is a thief, not a file sharer, a thief. The word thief needs redefining for these times. Buy your fucking music you morons, go and see live bands.
EPIC JUSTICE!!!
EPIC JUSTICE!!!
EPIC JUSTICE!!!
Good job.
Give them hell! :)
Well done Alan! Best of luck!
@449 look to the riaa in canada not to pay artists either difference is they made real money off those artists
yup
riaa = far worse to musicians they any of us could be.
Congratulations!!!
Good on ya mate…
Congrats!
good maybe he can open a new oink server and be immune
@martin
Obvious troll is obvious. gtfo our internets
Hope I’ll have nice judge too
@martin: I have something very serious to say to you:
plz read carefully now..
na-na-na-na-naaaaa
:p
Cool, and glad to see a good man get a just verdict, but it’s a shame that Mr. Ellis had to spend 2+ years defending himself from spurious allegations. Are there any funds covering his expenses? Any funds to donate to?
Good news for free mind world.
Congrats !
CONGRATULATIONS ALAN.. AND THANK YOU JURY MEMBERS…. THIS RENEWS MY FAITH IN THE CONCEPT OF A TRIAL BY ONES PEERS…
12 independent and fair minded citizens of this united kingdom found him “NOT GUILTY” need we say more than theses people have said by there actions , I think NOT, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it MARTIN.
I would also like to see proof ANY artists have received any money from such dishonest organizations. I would also like to see ANY proof that the people EVER wanted this. How do WE THE PEOPLE stop our government from wasting tax dollars we could use to fix our roads, provide food, and health care. Until such a time where those needs are met. I do not think we can afford to waste money on these wars *drugs, piracy, terrorism*
Doesn’t matter what any company has done the fact is Allan made mone from other peoples hard work. He should of been punished.
Ok, those who say I’m a troll, is that because I don’t agree with torrent sites? So, tell me. How does sharing an album by say a small independant label help that artist? When you share that album those that you are sharing it are far less likely to buy it, if they were going to buy it there would be no need for them to download from a torrent anyway, what would be the point? So, not buying means no sales which means no money which means small label go’s bust, fact.
The thing is, everyone who downloads movies/music know they are getting something for free that they should be paying for. Why should you be able to download a movie or an album for free when it has cost money to make that album/movie? Don’t give me this crap that the movie industry keeps saying they are making profit, that’s what they are meant to do! So because something makes a profit means that there products should be available to download for free? Bullshit. If that’s the case then I should be able to walk into any business that is making a profit, a bank for example, and just take whatever I like and then go and share it with other people. Don’t make me laugh,every single one of you who download torrents is guilty of theft and your ISP’s should be allowed to take your internet off you for doing so. Start your own ISP if you want to download illegally, why should you be able to use an ISP that disagrees with your actions? Buy music/movies, industry/artists prosper, but to download smaller indie stuff is doing nothing for the smaller guy except crucify them.
That is excellent news!
So Martin if I drink water from a water fountain for free so I must be stealing?
The water bottle company are not getting a penny. Yeah you’re right, I’m stealing. Bottle company’s are losing lots of money because we are using water fountains. They must have families that are starving.
Obvious troll is obvious.
“common sense”
It’s not the same thing you cockwagon.
What i hate most about people who download for free is that they are never willing to admint they are doing something wrong. I don’t give a flying monkey fuck what anyone says, People work very hard and spend millions to make a new movie, and you watch it without paying shit. Might not be physical stealing, but you know damn well it’s wrong.
Quit defending yourselves with retarded examples, you are all cheap fucks. I do it, because i don’t have money to pay for movies/music all the time with a student budget but when i do get the money i will pay for something that i liked, such as a CD or a game.
Go take your bullshit elsewhere and come back when you understand how the world works.
Hey, congrats! :)
Cry baby Martin!Na na na na na!
Congratulations Alan, you are a legend! – Will OiNK be coming back online as your site has been ruled as legal?
Also, since there has been a court ruling that OiNK is legal, does that mean the UK will be the new safe haven for BitTorrent trackers? (My country, YEAH!!!)
I’m sure most people will agree that Alan should sue the IFPI and the BPI for causing 2 years of downtime to a totally legit site, bring back OiNK and host in this country just to piss off the music industry for causing him so much suffering throughout all this time. He could of landed with a long prison sentance and a criminal record!
@466
I agree, Never have I seen any record/report/article about that :P
And really, The main artist’s that are complaining can use a little “Less money” if you ask me…
The way I make my play lists for ganra is buy typing in the ganra name, like “Trance Remix” you will get thousands of artists/dj’s you would never have heard of in your life if it wasn’t for these people hosting them.
I give out my music for free, And now I have people who live in like Australia, and are like
“I downloaded your song, I really like it”
Never would someone in Australia hear anything I have made if it wasn’t for a host server.
Promotion Before Profit,
Creation Before Perfection.
Get over it, We download Its a technological world…
EVEN THE PLANE FROM THAT MOVIE “STEALTH” DOWNLOADED EVERY SONG IN THE WORLD. Lmfao, And that was government property :P
(sorry random thought)
well theres a good episode on south park where they poke fun at some of those agencies… pretty funny and a very well put out point
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103814/
its pretty much in the beginning where they put out the point
This is great news, congrats Ellis!
Congratulations! this is EPIC WIN! )))
@475
Is that the one were they click “download” And swat fly’s threw the window in like 0.1 seconds :P If so its so great, I lol’ed so hard at that.
@Common sense. Are you an idiot? That’s not even a proper comparison. If something is given out as free, i.e water fountains then of course it’s not stealing you idiot, BECAUSE IT’S GIVEN OUT FREE AND THE AUTHORITIES KNOW OF IT. Don’t try and defend your thieving by giving crap comparisons. Also, no one seems to be mentioning the fact that this guy made £1000′s of pounds, your money and you’s all think this is ok.Get real. 3D Movies are the future as even if you download a 3d version it’s shit on a normal tv and 3d tv’s which have just been showcased in the states are too expensive for the everyday person. Thieves the lot of you and you’s know it.
Congrats on your victory from the United States!
Well done, sir!
Martin, Get over it, your clearly overpowered, Even the topic of discussion is apposing you…
And I think one of the points that he was making with his “Fountain analogy” Was that the water company’s Arnt gonna wither and die, there’s plenty to go around…
Ever since VHS, cossets, A-tracks, Records, People have been re-recording and giving it away, Now we can do it worldwide, And sure, its cought on a bit more, But people couldn’t stop it back then, And there not gonna stop it now.
TORRENT THE WORLD!
I knew it was going to be a hard case from the start for the crummy IFPI lawyers.. Conspiracy to defraud means the ifpi had no evidence and didn’t wanna risk charging with infringement.. The unanimous verdict (with infringement charges) would of shut down their campaign for awhile..
@Martin
You have lost your respect (the little that you had). Name calling is used by losers.
The comparison of downloading is equal to stealing is ridiculous. I wouldn’t buy any of the rubbish stuff out there even if there was no internet. If I like I movie or music I go and buy it.
You can’t get it in you small head of yours that exposure is helping the artists, it’s helping sell tickets to concerts. The record label days are coming to an end soon. So many artist are standing up for themselves. EMI and RIAA’s days are numbered.
I do not need to tell you to mind your language. I don’t care what you call me. You are what you are raisin brain troll.
Well Done to Allen Ellis and his Leagal Tem
Hey Martin, how about when water business is ran by the agencies that supply it and sell it. It becomes law that water is provided by them and without their approval is unlawful. So if you drink water from an unauthorised water fountain it is illegal, it is stealing.
Let’s party!
Go on Alan! Those people that took 2 years of your life should repay.
We need to unite. We need to tell our Gov’t how we stand on this, even if they do not listen to the people who put them there.
Good news. Congrats! And thanks for pioneering the longest road for us all.
I’m so happy for you Alan. I haven’t been actively reading about the case, but these news made my day.
@ Martin obvious troll is obvious
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS this is what we need, top marks and well done
ALAN ELLIS IS AN ICON, A LEGEND! WE ALL KNEW YOU’D WIN. BEST OF LUCK TO YOU, SIR!
Nice one Alan, good luck for the future.
Sorry I apologise for my outburst, I lost my cool there. It will not happen again, I promise.
Back to discussion. File sharing is stealing. No if’s, no but’s. Some of you may argue that, hyperthetically, Joe a 15 year old student who has 5000 tracks on his iPod wouldn’t buy 5000 tracks if downloading wasn’t invented. He probably have 5-10 albums at most.
This is no excuse for stealing. TV wasn’t available prior to 1923 people still lived their lives without TV. Downloadable MP3 files were not available prior to 1990′s, people still lived their lives without downloading. They actually went to and bought them!
@Martin
<a href="http://torrentfreak.com/music-sales-increase-in-sweden-for-first-time-since-2000-100117/"Read this and weep.
@Martin
Read this and weep.
@Martin
As I previously stated, It might not have been A “Internet Relay” of the songs/software (Mp3′s) But that did not stop them from re-recording A-tracks or something for a friend.
Or anything else for that matter, Mass producing something only goes so far before its illegally produced, people are still gonna buy music, And sales are not gonna plummet to the point of “Music industry apocalypse”
@Your Bullet Wound Hero
I just read all your posts. My my you are a Hero. You make more sense than all those trolls out there.
@common sense
:)
Martin, you must be a very sad little man to have that kind of attitude, or ,let me guess, are you a wannabe lawyer/enforcer? If you are then you are going to have to wanna for little longer because you are obviously too pea brained to be able to cut the mustard.
Mmmm, I wonder where Mr Ellis is now? Seems to have gone a little quiet now his real finances have been revealed hasn’t he? Thieving con man and all of you are defending him? wtf?
@Matrin: Without using insults, I’ll say one simple FACT: There is no stealing is no one is deprived of anything.
EVEN THE EXPRESSION “STEALING AN IDEA” IS ACTUALLY PLAGIARISM (claiming it’s my own idea) RATHER THAN “UNAUTHORIZED COPYING” (without self-attribution).
Downloading is not stealing.. Stealing is when you take something away from the owner. Copying is sharing -> spreading. Spread the music!
To act like those who run these sites are doing nothing wrong is ignorant. These sites help in the pirating of copyright material which is against the law.
No matter what technicalities you enforce or reasons you conjure up out of thin air to justify your actions, in the eyes of the law your still helping others steal. It’s that simple.
Excellent News! Congrats Alan :)
obvious trolls are obvious.
Ignorant thieves are ignorant.
this is one step in the right direction. i hope the IFPI will back off now.
@Duplicator (or anyone else who disagrres it’s not stealing)you say There is no stealing is no one if deprived of anything? But people are being deprived, by you sharing someones album with someone means you are depriving someone of an album sale, or a cinema an entrance fee to see a movie which in turn means money not being given back to the film industry that made the movie. There cannot be constant supply without constant deman but by people sharing their files means there is far less demand as people are recieving their music/movies without paying. I can’t see why this is so difficult for people to grasp. Copyright laws are there for a reason, to protect the artists. It’s not like the mpre 90′s when you would record an album for a friend or let someone borrow your video because that was done on such a smaller level it never really had an impact but these days we are talking about people sharing their files with 1000′s of other people, people you have never met and never will do, that’s a much bigger impact than letting your mate borrow your cd for a couple of days. If no one thinks that this is having a mjor impact on especially smaller indie labels, labels that are working hard to maintain some kind of decency in the music industry, then they are severely mistaken. There is plenty of LEGAL music online if you look around, daytrotter, hearya,youcrazydreamers.com,songsillinois.net to name but a few legal places where music is available. If a musician wanted you to have their music for free then they would give it away for free so you can take it for granted if you are getting it for free any other way than by the artists consent, you are then stealing it, fact !
I am well up for a debate about how things need to change but please don’t lie to yourselves about torrent sites, just because you can share your files doesn’t mean you should. Do you share everything else in your life? Do you send someone you have never met your LCD tv to watch or your ipod to listen to? Do you give someo9ne some of your phone credit? Send your neighbours round a pizza on a saturday night all in the name of sharing? No. Get real people.
I’m very very happy for you Alan.
Enourmously happy, as a matter of fact :D
Great news. In your face IFPI.
Justice is Served, Joyfull!
But it looks like they will appeal and take it further.
VIVA!!!
JUSTICE!!! good for you Allan…its all downhill from here boyz!!
“503 Jan 17, 2010 at 22:31 by Hmm.”
“These sites help in the pirating of copyright material”
So do companies such as Sony, they sell bulk packs of 100 CDR discs. ;-)
What would a typical home user want with that many?
AJ that encourages Sony “to promote, encourage and facilitate criminal activity”.
The trolls need to be reminded that a knife has two sides!
Trolls this is your loss in a big way. More than you will every know. LOSERS!
Martin, LOSER!
Hmm, LOSER!
Reasoned Mind, LOSER!
Neo Style, LOSER!
Obvious troll is obvious.
Something to believe in
Losers? You’re the loser. You pirates will rot in hell.
OMG., what a GREAT way 2 start off the New Year ~ !
Congrats 2 U Alan., will def raise a glass & toast 2 U, our Brother~!
Looking forward to seeing you soon., and wishing You & Yours ALL the Best in New Endeavors~!
So glad you got away free Alan!…
The IFPI only made it worse for themselves by shutting oink down as it caused so many new trackers to pop up… Maybe next time they will think before they act.
And as 30 says, Could the UK be a new safe haven for torrent sites?
Congratulations to you if you ever read this, the whole community feel for you with what you’ve been put through.
The pig escape!
LoL
Babe is more smart then the RIAA.
OMG! Pigs are flying free around the RIAA LoL
Anyone has any more good pig jokes?
Pig escapes gruesome destiny oink! oink! LoL
That’s one small step for OiNK; one giant leap for mankind.
Congatulations!!!!!
LONG LIVE THE TORRENT
@493, Martin
Sorry, I’m not fazed by your ultra-tough “it’s this way because I say so” attitude. If you’re going to call it theft, you have to explain exactly who is being permanently deprived of what.
And if you say “rights holders are deprived of their exclusive rights blah blah,” then I should remind you that slave owners were deprived of their exclusive rights when someone freed one of their slaves. Copyright as we know it is on its way out, just like slavery. So please, knock it off with the old, fallacious, disproven “p2p is theft” jargon.
This I approve.
@ 493 Jan 17, 2010 at 21:02 by Martin
You are a troll because you insist filesharing is stealing. Not only does it not meet the definition, but what gives you the right to tell Reznor, Nine inch Nails, The Reptilians, Rednex, ect, ect what they can do with their music. Sounds like you are the one trying to steal!!
@ 516 Jan 18, 2010 at 02:01 by Reasoned Mind
So because you can’t incorporate your Draconian measures to stop Creative Commons and the public domain, you curse with eternal damnation? Who again is the loser?
Just posting to register my happiness reading this news.
GG Alan and have a good life!
1. File sharing helps spread music.
2. If nobody bought the music, the artists wouldn’t be able to afford to release any new material.
It’s a delicate balance, and it works out quite well as is.
(Besides. Record sales are a drop in the bucket compared to concert and merchandise revenue.)
@523,
Awesome Dude…awesome..
owned nig
Martin you are a sorry loser who can’t stop whining after people in the majority btw are sick and tired of people like you.
Pl get a life or even better download some music, chill out.
And for you to of come here for one proves to me you are also a part of those downloading all the goodies for free. Don’t try kid me matey. I know it, you know it.
So fantastic as the IRAA & all those fighting the world have lost the fight.
@Martin
“Copyright laws are there for a reason, to protect the artists.”
Wrong. Copyright laws were originally brought in to benefit society by encouraging innovation by giving the innovator a temporary monopoly on an idea. More of a privilege granted by the public than a right. By repeated lobbying for extensions to the term of copyright, effectively STEALING FROM THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, the creative industries welched on the deal LONG before P2P arrived on the scene.
awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!! woooooooooo!!!!
10/23. Never forget.
When do we get to visit the palace again? I miss the pink.
Great news but……..
Why bother bringing Oink back ?
They are a number of sites out there BETTER than Oink.
Oink opens back up the authorities will go after the end user this time, us your brain, you really think they’ll let oink get away with it twice lol.
Why not stop the torrent crap…waiting for seeds and the authorities to jump on your torrent and collect your IP. And move forward….
Try Direct Download for free without having to purchase a premium account @ :
eh3.info
:)
Yeah, fuck yeah!
Awesomeness!
10/23 has finally gained justice. I hope the verdict won’t change.
this is an EPIC WIN.
Can anyone advise me on how to get hold of the full court transcripts as this may be of use in the future, is there any plans of posting them on the Internet?
yellowdot at mailpuppy dot com
OINK was just the best site ever. It is really missed. It would be great if it would come back online again.
Congratiulations, Alan. And justice for all!
@506/Phil
Thieves? MAFIAA and copyright holders are thieves. And you know what? We’re not going to stop with just proving ourselves innocent. We will seek retribution. MAFIAA will answer for its crimes against humanity!
Most comments ever?
Haiiiiil yeaaaa!
Epic win?
Haiiiiiiiiiiiil yea!
Mad pi*sing on Treason Mind and Neogaayyy?
Haiiiil yeaaaa!
Dancing in the street..
A toast where a toast is deserved.
To Alan!
May the sudden onset of british honesty long continue.
Good for you Alan!
I’m really happy things have worked out for you!
All the best!
As a long-time Oinker this news brings a smile to my face, but I cannot feel that we all have lost here, even if Oink is free.
The site is gone, the community is spread out all over the place and will likely never reform. And for all the media hype this got when Oink was charged, I didn’t see anything about his victory in court on the BBC or elsewhere. The damage is done, and the media continues to spin lies and propaganda against our cause and our fair-use rights.
@Martin
Copying a file = Theft?…? Hang on a minute… THEFT?
Theft is when you take something from another and leave them with nothing. Be it physical or virtual. To call it stealing you will have to remove their original copy of what they had.
Your claim that sharing an album with someone automatically means one less album sold to the author.
This is both wrong and naive.
1. The receiver of the copy might not have bought the album in the first place. Either because he/she was poor or the person didn’t find it interesting enough to buy a copy. (An album is a copy, how about that…)
2. The receiver might actually buy the album after downloading it. Either because the receiver liked it or because the person couldn’t afford it right away.
3. The receiver might find that the album wasn’t that good after all and just don’t want to buy it or keep the copy. Instead of going over to a friend or likewise to listen to the album. The receiver downloads a copy and listens to it to see if the author is actually worth the overpriced CD version.
It doesn’t matter how you twist and turn that. If the person downloading wouldn’t have bought it anyways that doesn’t account as a loss.
If the person intends to buy it that doesn’t account as a loss.
If the person wants to listen to it before she buys and doesn’t buy. That isn’t a loss.
IF however a person enters a store and buys an album because he/she was tricked by advertising into buying and then find out everything about that album except what the advertisers displayed that is false marketing. Even though that wouldn’t hold in court, it’s immoral and false.
Since you seem to like analogies, yours being that downloading is theft and how theft is loss of profits for the artist, let me give you one.
——
My neighbor tells me she would love to have a sandwich but is all out of bread. Instead of her going to the store i offer to make some break in my bread baking machine.
She agrees and i “share” my bread with her.
In bursts the police because i am now depriving the store of a potential bread sale!
Maggotbrain!
@Rubiscous
Troll much? Copyright is not the same as patent. Copyright is there to protect the artist- not to spur “innovation.”
My opinion, FWIW, is that what’s morally correct is dependent on the _individual_ artist’s preference. However, this is all moot point since filesharing in the current state of technology is not going anywhere.
http://www.gutezone.se/
Here’s another analogy:
My neighbor makes a car. I like his car. I walk to his driveway and drive his car to my driveway without his permission. That is indeed stealing.
OR…
His ingenuity for making a car that I like inspires me to make a Replicator. I borrow his car with his permission, drive his car into my Replicator and replicate a copy for myself.
OR…
I wheel my Replicator over his car in the dark of night and replicate a copy that way.
Is it stealing? No. At best it is copying somebody elses idea and trespassing.
If everyone had a Replicator from Star Trek and “test drives” their dream car, there would be alot of pissed off auto manufactures out there.
@ Cadde
I’m afraid you are wrong, totally wrong. So lets get some things straight here. If someone downloads an album and actually loves the album but still doesn’t go and buy it because he has a flac version which he is more than happy with, how does the musician benefit from that? He doesn’t. As I said, if bands want to freely give their music away that is their choice and they have no problem with people sharing but If you end up with an album for free that the artist hasn’t given away for free then that is at least fringe of the copyright, fact. Which in turn is breaking the law. You may not agree with the law but that’s the way it is. If say a musicain came round your house and you knew for certain that you had his album that you downloaded for free from a torrent site, would you feel comfortable playing it to him or showing him that you have it? I don’t think so, If you wouldn’t feel comfortable, why not, If you think it’s not stealing? Also you say because someone is poor? You think that’s a valid reason for taking something for free? Spotify lets you listen to most people’s music for free anyway but just not the ability to download it. Why do you need to download something when you can stream it for free? At least with spotify if you like what you hear you then go and buy it, not just illegally download it to save a bit of money. It costs money to make music,fact. If no one buys the music the srtist then cannot make any more music, fact. Do the math.
@lego
Holding an outspoken opinion is not trolling, no.
Calling someone a troll just because you disagree with them, however…
@551
Well I agree if no one buys a product the producer can’t make any money the thing is the music is not the product the artist is, people pay the artist not the music. The music is a vector that will lead to payment and how you use that vector is how you will get paid.
Music can be given for free and the artist still will make money and there a lot of successful examples ranging from the little guy to the big boys.
Now one certain way to not make any money from me is to put a copyright notice on your work. You see know I choose based on license if it is not copyleft that gives me the right to copy, distribute, share, use it or modify it I don’t want it near me.
Most dumb asses hear don’t understand that and will continue to use copycrap and that is fine too as long as their asses going to jail, now me I don’t care go ahead and procecute them to the full extent of the law but I ain’t gonna buy, promote, listen or come near the toxic copyright licenses artists are using.
They can go f#$% themselves and starve I don’t care. Want financial support it better start with a CC commons attribution 3.0 license or sod off.
I admire and salute the legal system in the UK as I am very ashamed of how the whole PirateBay trial was handled over here. Disqualified judge and the success of lobbying from the major record labels made this trial no more than an embarrassing scandal. I hope that the whole world can learn from this.
I a apologize for any eventual grammar or spelling errors as english is my second language.
Yarrrrr!!!
Me crew be happy bout dis!!
The jolly be flyin high teday, and casks of rhum will be emptied!! Once again we’ll scour fer sum booties! I’m a pirate, huzzah fer da pirate bay, cheers to the infamous scallywag Allan Ellis, he now be a free and honourable man :D
oink is dead, long live oink.
@Martin
Listen up troll. When I watch a movie on terrestrial TV (free! and maybe record it on SKY+ and watch over and over again, let my friends watch it too) and I decide not to buy the DVD, so that means it’s one loss sale and I committed a theft. How ridiculous and stupid is that? VERY.
Your arguments are baseless and illogical.
Get it through your small narrow minded head that, people watch a movie in cinema or on TV also actually do buy the DVD!
I have bought CDs after listening it on shopping malls, radio, TV, friends house, spotify, etc. I have bought loads of movies on DVD after watching the film on TV and Cinema because I enjoyed it. I can record onto PVR, DVD and VHS from TV, but that doesn’t stop me from buying.
Obvious troll is obvious
@Martin (aka raisin brain troll)
It’s greed that makes you narrow-minded. You’re justification is weak. You know it. For sure, we all know it!
Obvious troll is obvious.
Epic victory!
Justice is served. Have a happy life Alan.
I could not be happier for tpb, and for p2p in general.
Good work people!!!
If only this could happen in Sweden as well.
Congrats anyway!
@ The Truth.
Yes, you buy a dvd AFTER you have seen a movie in the cinema where as with torrents you don’t ever go to the cinema to see the same movie you’ve already downloaded, why would you if you already have it? That’s my point. Same with Music, why would you go and buy the cd of someone you have already downloaded illegally? This is not rocket science. Stop trying to pretend that downloading music via torrents is not illegal because it is, end of.
A troll because I disagree with you? Get real will you.
You’re all nerdy faggots.
“Stop trying to pretend that downloading music via torrents is not illegal because it is, end of.”
FALSE statement.
That depends on what country you download from. In places like Canada, Spain and Italy it is legal to download copyrighted materials for private use.
Justice at least!!! I hope Ellis can now live a normal life, without the nightmare of the ifpi bast*rds following him.
Nice front page on one off most popular P2P site, they all support OinK. Pigs really can fly!
@561/Martin
“Stop trying to pretend that downloading music via torrents is not illegal”
Stop trying to pretend that downloading music via torrents is de facto illegal. And concerning its de jure status… we couldn’t care less.
/yawn
HAHAAHAH
FUCK YA!
Justice served, oink FTW~!!!
Now only if TPB could get justice too….
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very Good News ….
TOp Bannana
Bring back the PINK
IF YOU DON’T WANT YOUR MUSIC RIPPED AND SHARED – STOP MAKING MUSIC. Seriously these artists need to quit their job and go find another. There was a time when artists truly cared that their music is listened to and enjoyed by people. Now it is all about the paycheck.
Wow!! Garak is right.
Very nice to hear that the dude is free atlast. Long Live Torrents :D
Regards,
http://www.eloot.info/Link-Building-Services
So if the 2 replacement tracker sites go down, 4 will pop right up eh! Woot
it was time people delivered their opinion through a jury regarding the shady dealings of the music media cartels.
Congrats Allan Ellis…You’ve done amazing especially after 3 years
MUAHAHAH!!!!!
Well done!! That’s what i call justice! Unfortunately it’s rare to feel that justice has been made…Let’s hope that if more trials like this occur..the juri understands the what the CORPORATIONS are trying to do against culture and people!
at martin
ur a troll cos u r a troll.
the truth did say he watched stuff on tv 4 free and still buy dvd. so your points are lame.
u only “selectively” use peoples quote to justify ur pointless point.
why would the truth buy dvd when he said he has sky+ (it’s a sat with a hard drive to rec)?
so ur point about lose sale and all that cr@p is cr@p. many peeps have argued and proved that this is nonsense.
get real will you!
who do u work 4? r u rm and/or ns?
To martin, I do understand what it is you are trying to say and in many respects I agree with your equations , but and this is a very big but the present business model is doomed and has been from the outset of the internet no longer are people prepared to only have access to music and film in hard copy format they want digital access and if we don’t give it to them and at a very low price they will simply take it anyway, note that there is between 6 and 8 million file sharers in the uk alone this is to big to ignore or try and suppress for any government or others powers that be, any amount of law making will not stop the people finding a way around the obstacles we put in front of them, we MUST! Change the way we do business or we will loose to the will of the people, think about this ? We now have a hole new generation who have grown up with free access to movies and music ! Yes they still buy stuff but they absolutely will not pay over the odds for it, so I and many others believe the only thing we can do is go digital access and at very affordable prices “SKY” have ppv and it works, this could be done with the very latest releases yes I know the thinking is radical but look we know we are losing the war we may win some battles but in general it is only a matter of time before that new generation are the new voters of tomorrow governments are racing to try and hold back the tide on our behalf but they can only do so much before the populous bites back, so my friend “ if I may call you that “ now we must sit up and play the torrent sites at there own game with very cheap and very high quality releases of the latest music and movies available to download in digital format or alternatively go out of business, this can be done this must be done and I am absolutely sure it will done.
yours
Someone in the movie business
Well for a fact I am not Martin. I am not a coward to use different names or hide under some other name. What you see is what you get with me. Transparent.
@578 Jan 18, 2010 at 21:44 by Anonymous
To “someone at the movie business”
Your movie business will not budge. They see selling things for less is a crime unthinkable. They see it as loss income.
How about if the middle men take a pay-cut (or get completely taken out the picture) or actors get a pay-cut (come on, multi-million dollars for a single movie that takes few weeks to film). The middle men are not the ones who’s movie/product/music that is being sold. It’s someone elses hard work. If they are taken out then the cost could be reduced considerably.
If you take the record label out the picture, then you could sell CDs for 10 percent of the current rip off prices (for us poor majority, not everyone has a 6 figure salary, you fat cats). The reduced price will include cost of production and the small percent the artist get anyway plus more. The record label are the real thieves here. How much do they take? They take a huge chunk off our money when we buy CDs.
On the other hand digital get’s rid of cost of physical media, so the cost can be further reduced.
That will give new artists and filthy rich artists enough money to put food on their tables. Concerts will be sold out due to exposure on legal and not so legal p2p (that is if the stuff they produce is any good).
Someone in the in-between businesses
e.p.i.c.
++ “90 Jan 15, 2010 at 19:31 by Afficianado
You can fund the police, you can buy the judge, but it takes an awful, awful lot to buy the jury.”
To by some public,
Our biggest problem is the actors and there agents who demand silly money for there services hundreds of thousands of dollars for the average movie contract and into the millions for the so called big hitters, you have to make massive profit just to pay the spoilt brats there a bit like your soccer players you know some of them very over paid, this will have to stop! It’s madness if we are going to get with the times we may have to limit these pay cheques, if you are wondering why I would even bother to speak out then I need to tell you something that happened to my wife and I, a few days ago we were out on the town with some good friends having left our teenage son at home it was a real good night out when we returned I said lets be quiet t**** mite be sleeping, we paid the sitter and I thought I would just take a quick look see in on him he was sleeping but his computer was on and to my horror it was downloading with bit torrent software, there and then I new the war was lost my own son was a file sharer, we have had a very long and some times loud conversation, the end conclusion being my eyes are now open but he has no computer, unfortunately I can not confiscate a couple of hundred million computers all over the world so we must find another way to go forward, and I promise you some big things are going to happen keep watching your news channels over the coming months.
“someone in the movie business”
totally awesome!!! great work Ellis!!
Discovey Channel is one of the best channel in the world .
Yes! Great news!
Bravo
Finnaly Justice
Thank God Justice came even after 2 years but it came !
Now lets drink some champaign ! !!
when will torrent sites like Oink ever learn?
As soon as you start begging for donations your giving the authorities a reason to pursue you as it is perceived your actually asking for money for the files.
Regardless whether you say it is for server maintenance blah blah blah, they don’t care. As soon as money becomes involved it becomes a site to target. Rant over.
Free copyrighted stuff = BAD, BAD, BAD, really BAD.
Paid Copyleft stuff = Good, Good, Good, real Good.
Just free doesn’t cut it for me anymore it has to have a license that will give me rights back.
Use, support and promote people who care about you. The real artists go to record labels like Jamendo, Magnatune and LOCARecords they all have CC commons license that respect your rights and one important thing the songs are at the same level with big labels thieves.
The other day i wanted to re watch “Carn’t buy me love” with my misses. It’s a film from the 80’s. Now we hunted all over, and could we get it on dvd (nope), could we get it on Blue ray (not a chance in hell). Could we get it on any PPV (nope) … were did i get it …. a torrent site. This is the same for many films and so much music.
You big boys with your big guns always say but it’s illegal and our fat wallets don’t get a cut. Well give us what we want and that’s access to the material at a price that doesn’t rip us apart. Stop with holding films and music and expecting us just to sit back and take it. If you don’t provide the good’s then we will supply the goods instead our self’s.
I own over 35 blueray disks i bought from new and over 200+ DVD’s so you cannot say you have not had your moneys worth out of me.
Me and my misses take us and the 3 kids to the movies often and you get a nice slice of it and then if we really like the film we buy it (if we can). Companies have started supply the film’s on blue rays in 3 different versions with the blue ray, the dvd and the digital copy of the film (which by the way is always crap). The only problem is its £18 to £20 a film you are taking the micky … no way is it worth that. Games as well for the xbox and PS3 at £45 a pop … come on don’t make me laugh.
If the industry doesn’t change then simply we will make you change one way or another. You cannot win. There are more of us then you.
Stop wasiting money trying to prove your point and start deving better iders for delivering the content cheaper.
Oh and im no 16 year old kid … im 38 and i even teach 80 year olds how to get the stuff they would like …. So dont think its just the young ones who want the change its all of us …
congratulations
“Depriving” an artist of a POTENTIAL sale is theft? W-T-F?
Stealing = taking something away from someone.
Copyright = I first thought of it, so you do not have the right to think it and use it because I own it. (Unless you pay me)
Stupid = I think that POTENTIAL means actual. And what MIGHT happen WILL happen, because I am Nostradamus.
I will buy my bread from a baker that sells it for the cost of the flour and ingredients, power, and use of the machine plus labor cost. But I will not buy am overpriced song because the artist is famous.
Great, Now go and sue IFPI!
!!AWESOME!!
IRONIC TO READ THIS STORY OF MODERN FREEDOM ON MLK DAY
great step towards freedom of our hard drives!
elephants dream ,blender sighting
in the video,
long live TBP!
TPB LOVE! <3
Congrats!
@alawyer :
“file-sharing is going to be made illegal in the UK”
Bwahahahaha!!!
All fire-sharing is not illegal so there are no grounds on which one could ban a technology outright.
Anyway it is impossible to disinvent
torrenting and it will be used legally or not by everyone no matter
what.
Go back to mending shoes where you belong, moron.
MPAA and IFPI hawkers:
Do not tell me about theft and copyright because Multinationals and Governments had been stealing wantonly from the masses and working people by selling overpriced products and automatic deduction of taxes.
Let’s talk about potential sales then. Are you really sure that those who download music WILL DEFINITELY buy if they hadn’t downloaded it in the first place? If I badly need to buy a CD I can do so because stores who sell music are a dime-a-dozen in most cities. But I won’t because I have more practical alternatives! I have FM, internet radio, friend to borrow from, P2P and CD burner!
Let’s use your argumant. You’ll say If I don’t have alternatives then I do not have any choice but to buy. W-T-F? Then you are essentially robbing me of my potential to develop my culture! Then you are stealing my culture!
I will buy bread from those who sell it to me without being greedy, otherwise I am all for the alternatives. And please I will not take anything kinetic from you, just potential and speculation.
im an ex-OiNKer too, and yes… finally we pirates got some justice.
Great success!
I am a successful artist and I have file sharing to thank for being one of the best promotion tools I have ever seen. Over a million downloads on my last cd!!!
Put a smile on my face, glad he can finally put this behind him.
Big ups for great justice!
Finally,this shows whats coming ahead.
Maybe Europe will stand against the MAMMON GOD, maybe this will be a endstartpoint. Maybe. The freedom of speech and the right to share it will prolong. PirateBay forever,here we go
I think what your country needs is some good old fashioned domestic terrorism. The fear among your people is already so high there’s a f#ck#ng camera in everybody’s house just to watch over them.
You should riot like the old days and burn down parliament, hang the queen, and ravage and kill everyone in the ifpi office.
@606
You put a smile on my face. =D
Though leave the Queen, I love that old crazy bitch. It was because of her rep (Canada’s Governer General) that our country hasn’t fallen apart.
But yeah, riots, and stuff. =D
Epic victory!
Bring back the palace!
562 Jan 18, 2010 at 18:09 by Martin
Reznor, Nine inch Nails, The Reptilians, Rednex, etc., etc. beg to differ. What gives you the right to tell them what to do with the music they created? What gives you the right to take away the public domain.
Why don’t you go download you some Big Band music legally and relax?
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3503285/Big_Band_Music_-_Benny_Goodman_-_Glenn_Miller_-_Woody_Herman
W00t! Gratz! Glad its finally over for ya =]
fuc the MAN good show always go to trial because if i am on the jury i let you all walk too!!!!!!!
Yes!
There is some kind of right still out there
looks to me like the same people spamming under different identities to make their same points – over and over again – particularly about the view point that illegal file sharing helps the music industry!
I would find the overwhelming response in favour of torrents dont harm the artist as a true indication of public opinion – if you were required to register an account here to make a comment and not hide behind numerous posts with different names!
As it stands you can come on here numerous times under different names as a handful of zealots to stamp out anyone gain enough to have a differing opinion to illegal filesharing!
I would take this site more seriously if people posted under real unique registered names instead of multiple made up names!
filesharing ftw
In England once there lived a big
And wonderfully clever pig.
To everybody it was plain
That Piggy had a massive brain.
He worked out sums inside his head,
There was no book he hadn’t read.
He knew what made an airplane fly,
He knew how engines worked and why.
He knew all this, but in the end
One question drove him round the bend:
He simply couldn’t puzzle out
What LIFE was really all about.
What was the reason for his birth?
Why was he placed upon this earth?
His giant brain went round and round.
Alas, no answer could be found.
Till suddenly one wondrous night.
All in a flash he saw the light.
He jumped up like a ballet dancer
And yelled, “By gum, I’ve got the answer!”
“They want my bacon slice by slice
“To sell at a tremendous price!
“They want my tender juicy chops
“To put in all the butcher’s shops!
“They want my pork to make a roast
“And that’s the part’ll cost the most!
“They want my sausages in strings!
“They even want my chitterlings!
“The butcher’s shop! The carving knife!
“That is the reason for my life!”
Such thoughts as these are not designed
To give a pig great piece of mind.
Next morning, in comes Farmer IFPI Bland,
A pail of pigswill in his hand,
And piggy with a mighty roar,
Bashes the farmer to the floor…
Now comes the rather grizzly bit
So let’s not make too much of it,
Except that you must understand
That Piggy did eat Farmer IFPI Bland,
He ate him up from head to toe,
Chewing the pieces nice and slow.
It took an hour to reach the feet,
Because there was so much to eat,
And when he finished, Pig, of course,
Felt absolutely no remorse.
Slowly he scratched his brainy head
And with a little smile he said,
“I had a fairly powerful hunch
“That he might have me for his lunch.
“And so, because I feared the worst,
“I thought I’d better eat him first. “
We will be back!
So happy to hear this!! Congrats!
@ 614 Jan 19, 2010 at 12:46 by Aussie
That’s why you are unable to understand the concept of free and open for everyone. And I suppose you will also try to argue that the jury was made up of 12 different usernames of the same juror? That you always harp about illegal filesharing though no one in the past 2 years save the ‘Love Guru’ movie guy has ever been found guilty in a criminal court (plus the Sweden three on appeal).
What you are suggesting would run the little guy off and allow the trolls who work in their corporate offices to inundate the site from multiple computers. Not to mention it is pretty clear you do not regularly come here or you’d be able to see that no other story has as many comments and since a link from thepiratebay points here, I’m surprised more have not commented.
And since you seem to also miss the point of the comment section, if you wish to shut down the free exchange of ideas you should first start by talking to your local lawmakers, not the people whose rights you wish to abolish.
The verdict cannot be appealed
Congrats Alan and OiNK!
What a win for Alan!
I was surprised with the verdict. I presumed the case against Alan (two years in the making) was strong.
Does anyone know if Alan was remand in custody? (kept in prison until his trial)
Congrats, Mr. Ellis! It was truly a pleasure to participate in one of the finest examples of macro musicsharing ever created, and I am overjoyed at being informed that your ordeal is finally over.
So glad for Alan! Been waiting for these news all this years.
Morgan Rose guys and Alex Stein – thank you!
Its funny how the media organisation (BBC, SKY etc) had televised news reports about the “dawn raid” on Ellis’s home and reported on the “profits” and the “illegality” of his site at the time. Yet when he is set free and exonerated there’s only a little post on-line about it.
Nice attempt at manipulation glad it failed.
LONG LIVE THE PIG
@Just Me
It was on the Bbc http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/8457260.stm
And also
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2010/jan/15/filesharing-oink
this will not change our inevitably corrupting system however, there is a way we can: thezeitgeistmovement.com
Good point Aussie, so why not take the lead and tell us who you really are and where you live or at least publicize your IP add?
If it can be hacked, it has to be hacked!
If it can be ripped, it has to be ripped!
If it can be shared, then there is no point but to share it!
@ Martin
I know its on the site but didnt make the TV news, when the arrest did…that was my point, but thx for the links never the less
@Just me
Martin is a selective and narrow minded reader. He only reads and digests what he wants and omits the rest, just in case he see’s the light at the end of the tunnel.
We all read you loud and clear, you mentioned media coverage at the end of the trial was missing. But for martin that mean’t completely different and he posted links to a couple of website.
Martin forgot to read this bit
The music industry made tons of money from the free publicity that their artists received from Oink.
This trial was about them wanting to keep a monopoly on music distribution.
buy plastic discs!!!
Damn right, We finally win!.
xvid version
http://zljo.com/burn-notice-s03e10-a-dark-road-hdtv-xvid-fqm.html
Well, I guess it is a win for internet “piracy”, however, that is not the only thing going on.
You guys don’t seem to really that Ellis also ripped off his members of lots and lots of money via donations.
That isn’t as cool huh.
I am pro torrenting and other p2p, but I am certainly not for private trackers that steal tons of money from its users.
P2p should be free, of course aside from enough money to keep the website/tracker up if needed, but he made £18,000 a month, that is pure theft.
I love filesharing, but it is pretty ridiculous that this guy walks free. I’m glad he did, but at the same time what does this say about the justice system? He was clearly guilty of the laws they were claiming he broke, call them draconic or whatever you want, but at the end of the day they are the laws even if I disagree with them they still need to be enforced. The evidence was overwhelming and he walked free, great for P2P, but pathetic for the justice system.
@Bigg
Bigg the troll said “I love filesharing, but blah blah blah”.
Justice was served you muppet. If Alan was found guilty with what he was charged with then you could go after Google, Altavista, Ask and any other search engines and even YouTube.
Though these money grabbing leeches will be too scared to go after the likes of Google because they can afford the best lawyer in the business.
There is no UK law present to charge Alan with anything apart from charging him with conspiracy to defraud. Utter nonsense. Copyright infringement law does not exist for the digital medium yet. However the UK Gov’t are not far off from changing this due to pressure from the Industry.
You say your a filesharer, then if you shared a copyright material and you love the justice system, you want copyright infringers to be prosecuted, then I’d say hand yourself over to the police and pay the copyrights holder 50K for each infringement. Around 30-60K is usually their asking price for each infringement. So what you waiting for… Go on then. Didn’t think so!
Obvious troll is obvious.
@Bigg
That comment above is so contradictory and so hypocritical.
Justice was served. End of story! Maybe your place should’ve got raided instead and you should’ve been taken to prison and go through with the trial. You’d be singing a different song if that were the case.
Obvious troll is obvious.
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