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OiNK Admin: Pink Palace Never Abused Copyrights

As the trial of ex-OiNK admin Alan Ellis continues, more details of yesterday’s proceedings have been made public. Ellis told the court that he always held the belief that the site didn’t break copyright law and that if the site’s users acted illegally, then that wasn’t his responsibility.

oinkFollowing on from last week where the prosecution put their case against Alan Ellis to the jury at Teesside Crown Court, this week the ex-OiNK admin had the opportunity to begin presenting his side of the story.

Yesterday Ellis stated that he had initially hosted the tracker in his bedroom while studying at Teesside University, and used the coding experience to develop his skills in order to bring future employment possibilities.

Today more details became available, which appear to show that Ellis believed that he operated his site within the law.

While it’s impossible to say what goes on inside another person’s head, when it comes to the law the average BitTorrent site admin or keen BitTorrent user will be mostly tuned into the requirements of copyright and violations of copyright law. In basic terms relating to this case, the unauthorized copying and/or distribution of copyright works, both illegal under UK copyright law.

BitTorrent trackers such as OiNK do not distribute, store or duplicate copyright works, so when Ellis said yesterday that he viewed what he did as similar to how the post office or telephone company operates, i.e directing other people’s data (illegal or not), he clearly believes that type of operation is permissible under copyright law. Indeed, unlike in other jurisdictions, there is no offense of ‘facilitation’ under UK copyright law.

“I didn’t think the site was abusing the copyrights,” he said, and in the above context he was right. But if OiNK wasn’t abusing copyrights, that responsibility must fall elsewhere – at the feet of the site’s members.

“If these people chose to download music and in doing so were breaking the law, then that was their responsibility, not mine,” Ellis told the Court. “I never saw that I was responsible for them downloading music.”

While Ellis can’t be held responsible for what others do on his site, he was candid when it came to admitting that he made use of some of the material indexed by the tracker. Ellis told the Court that he spent a lot of money buying music, but had used file-sharing as a mechanism to discover new artists.

“From my experience if I download music and I like it, I would go out and buy it. I understood most people to have that view,” he explained.

According to Gazette Live, Ellis also told the Court that he responded “out of good will” to takedown requests received from the infamous Web Sheriff anti-piracy company on behalf of rights holders.

So, if OiNK didn’t break copyright law by not transferring, copying or storing copyright works, and there is no offense of facilitation of the same under UK law, why was the site shut down and why is this trial taking place?

Maybe because the BPI and IFPI knew that copyright infringement charges wouldn’t stick, they instead guided the police down another route, that of Conspiracy to Defraud.

Ellis denies that charge and the case continues.

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  • Brandon

    Thats not going to stand up in court…

  • Afficanado

    Maybe because the BPI and IFPI knew that copyright infringement charges wouldn’t stick, they instead guided the police down another route, that of Conspiracy to Defraud.

    Maybe?

  • Anonymous

    “. . . Maybe because the BPI and IFPI knew that copyright infringement charges wouldn’t stick, they instead guided the police down another route, that of Conspiracy to Defraud. . . . ”

    But since the corporate parasites and their criminal lawyers don’t have a shred of evidence that Elis made or attempted or even planed to made any profit, I can not see how he can be convicted of “Conspiracy to Defraud.”

    Yet with a lot of corrupting money you can have a court or a judge say anything and decide anything even if this does not make sense.

    This is why we have to get ride off these criminal corporation of parasites and prosecute cops and judges who bend to them.

  • Katina

    Ellis is and always will be a wanker looking out for himself. Most remember how he arbitrarily banned clients from connecting to OiNK’s tracker instead of reaching out and working with developers.

    “…and used the coding experience to develop his skills in order to bring future employment possibilities.”

    Work on your people skills first mate.

  • fsd

    The fact is that Alan knew what was going on, and he most definitely pirated himself, but him pirating is not in question, and even if he knew about the pirating taking place from the torrents he hosted, he is not responsible.

    Also it is hard to remove copyright infringing torrents. A torrent could be named Illegal.Stolen.Copy.Of.Avatar, but that does not mean that the torrent links to an infringing file. All it means is that is the torrent name, while it may actually be a virus, porn, a picture of my aunt sally, or a notepad file containing the name of the .torrent 586q8648 times.

  • Antonio

    And where was the server hosted? In the UK?

  • fsd

    Antonio, IDK, but it is irrelevant. There was no pirated information hosted, unless he seeded torrents from any of the site servers, or any servers he owned.

  • kabuki0009

    they’ll try anything.

  • Frumunda Cheeze

    Don’t drop the soap. But then again you’re already screwed buddy boy.

  • Ben Ben

    There are too many of us and there is not enough money in the world for you to go after all of us. The case though remains that we shouldn’t have to hide or make excuses for what we do.

    There are too many of us and times change. Laws are meant to serve the people, we should demand for them to be changed.

    There are too many of us and that makes us the majority. So instead of claiming that you are spreading democracy to other parts of the world, establish democracy in your countries first. Listen to the voice of the people.

    There are too many of us and your resistance is futile. We are an unstoppable force in a world which has no immovable objects.

    Long Live The P2P Community

  • rabbit80

    Fortunately it is hard to buy judges in the Crown court – simply because it is a jury verdict and the jury is made of members of the public! With any luck they will understand the issues and give a fair verdict.

  • Realist

    we have got bigger problems now with the acta.

  • Realist

    to get around this we could just make a long list of aliases for file names , and keep the list on a low profile , ie just in communities , have a disclaimer entering the site you agree, and all the files will look like file 1 , 2 3 etc . . . .file n , the list will represent the files real names , but appear innocent, files could be uploaded and incremented by system variables and the list could be sent out via an rss field or a mailing list or something , if its a textfile its searchable ;-) ctrl + f is your friend

  • jw

    alan ellis is a cock – he acted like one when oink was running, he most definitely acted like one just after it was shut down.

    having said that, i and plenty others like me sincerely hope he sticks it to the man in his trial (:

    now if only i could believe he had a chance in this world where big business, especially the media companies, own the so-called justice system ):

  • Realist

    or just provide the servers and the upload option and download the site in htmlform and select links there , so a user would just see an upload box , and the site could be dynamically updated and you could download changes since last download, just some ideas,

  • Dia

    Why do you think admins should be nice to you? You’re retards and act like it.

  • horsemeat

    If you follow his rules what’s the problem?

    If you didn’t like it then what were you doing there in the first place?

  • hm

    good reporting TF keep it coming

  • Apocalypse Now!

    “And he had £190,000 in his bank account – paid by users who had to make a donation if they wanted to invite others to join the site. Ellis denies plotting copyright fraud. The case continues”
    From the Daily Mirror.

    If he didn’t have that money in his bank account- he can sue the Daily Mirror. They have stated this as fact, no “alledged” in there, though.
    If he did have that figure in his bank account he was using it for server costs? Or profiteering>?

  • ferre

    @19

    why you think the judge sayed not to look at internet research… so many lies.

    although i read on the metro (local UK free train paper) that it was a small paragraph which basically states the truth but doesnt go into much detail.

  • Apocalypse Now!

    @20 Yeah
    Tho some peeps on here stated it was stupid the judge ordering the jury no Internet research.
    Obviously only research into why P2P is good, is good.
    But the Jury would have heard that he had that sum by the prosecution lawyers so why would Internet research have uncovered that, they had already been told, Obviously the prosecution are lying and have been paid(or will be looking at the cars they drive)

  • Care Package

    @ Katina

    So Oink makes a single technical decision on his own website and that makes him a ‘wanker’

    You need to get a sense of perspective otherwise you risk people thinking that said wanker is you

  • United Hackers Association

    ya know something i am on this guys side as much as i can but ya know
    people shouldn’t lie
    they should stand up ON MASSE and say i’m a pirate i did this for the reason to share cause you people in the corporate world and industries have forgotten people and that i downloaded and i shared

    the fact is they can go right ahead and give me a billion dollar fine
    nothing forces me to pay and ill just do what the Mexicans do and work under the table if i cant get any other work cause that would be paying you back
    YUP
    SCREW THEM and QUIT LYING.

  • existor

    great candidness from Ellis. I hope it helps his defense. I fear however that the entire “system”, “establishment”, call it what you will, is against freedom to share.

  • ET

    There is nothing forgiving about this is there… Lets hope he was never in a covers band.

    http://www.epictorrents.com

  • SomeGuy

    I say this again, its times like now fellow pirates should be voicing their opinions outside the courts..

    Shame most people hide behind aliases and dont have the balls to do this though :p

  • \\.neo.styles|sSG

    Oink never violated copyright? So how about all the torrents for copyright movies and software that were uploaded that he ignored for years? It’s pretty obvious that Oink condoned and even encouraged infringement. Now that the law finally caught up with him he just doesn’t want to admit it so he’s playing dumb.

  • Haha

    “I say this again, its times like now fellow pirates should be voicing their opinions outside the courts..”

    They do. Voice their opinions in the court where it matters -> technology. In this battle technology decides all and no court can change that.

    The best people are on the side of the pirates and will continue to create technology for information sharing that makes it harder and harder for monkey courts to do anything about it!

  • mafiaa sucks

    wow just look at what they did here

    EMI has decided to target the kind of “meh” Lady Gaga-Nirvana mashup with a cease & desist. Why even bother? http://bit.ly/54Pgwh

  • me

    @4, you’re a tosser

    He didnt break any laws.
    Everybody knew this.
    But thats not how it works.
    Sadly.

  • Em

    You can’t get rid of corporate “parasites” unless you actually kill those persons! That means murder for freedom of information!

    Financial bribes is something not to be taken unlikely these days, even in a judicial system.

    @4 fsd, what goes on in courtrooms these days is not because people running bt sites are actually guilty, but because it’s really hard for a copyright company to prove that millions of torrents actually contain infringing content. This requires that they download all of these files, prepare reports and submit proper DMCA notices. This is near to impossible! Thus they try to cut of the head of the technology, which are these admins, even if this very act represents a crime against these people.

    What next?… like I said above? Should we get out guns and actually kill those corporate f**kers?

    I don’t see any other way, as reason is below bribes!

  • prodigydancer

    “Conspiracy to Defraud”

    I like how modern law can call people who operated in the broad daylight “a conspiracy” if it suits the needs of big companies.

    Ahh yes, again I forgot that black is white…

  • Anonymous

    @27

    Obvious troll is obvious.

  • kaine

    @27: movies? on oink? really? Maybe you should write for the mirror.

    I am personally surprised he had so much in his bank account but then i guess it shows he wasnt spending it (…maybe). Alot of people donated to the site, and it usually went over so that could be a reason but the trail will tell.

    I am surprised no one picked up on the donated money for invites bit in the mirror. Donation on oink like many sites, got you nothing but a thank you, the only way to get invites was to seed. I wish the news would do some research and actually report facts, the initial story had a lot of misinformation in it when it first came out as well.

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    @27 Jan 14, 2010 at 03:05 by \\.neo.styles|sSG

    Oink no more encouraged copyright infringement than Apple or Microsoft does by use of their operating systems to obtain unauthorized content. The only difference is Apple/Microsofts software license agreement states that they are not responsible for how users use their software.

    By that logic, I hereby state that piracy is a right, not a privilege. Just because I’ve made it so means that is so.

    Try again.

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    @26 Jan 14, 2010 at 02:54 by SomeGuy

    If anyone chooses to hide or not, it’s really none of your business. We can all choose to do exactly what we want with or without your approval.

    And this is why, piracy is a right and not a privilege. Get over it.

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    Oh and…for Reasoned Mind…I have three words before you comment:

    Get over it.

  • share

    @30 tis has already happened
    BreakingNews: CEO of large media company in Cyprus is shot to death outside his home 3:00 PM Jan 11th from BreakingNews Headquarters http://www.twitter.com/overnetuser

  • h33t

    Alan it is good to hear you are speaking up. keep it up mate

  • share

    here is a direct link to story but dey twitter postings are worth a look @ follow.

    http://cpj.org/2010/01/media-group-ceo-shot-dead-in-cyprus.php

  • \\.neo.styles|sSG

    Oink no more encouraged copyright infringement than Apple or Microsoft does by use of their operating systems to obtain unauthorized content. The only difference is Apple/Microsofts software license agreement states that they are not responsible for how users use their software.

    Are you high? They were giving away torrents for copyrighted material.

  • SX

    “Oink no more encouraged copyright infringement than Apple or Microsoft does by use of their operating systems to obtain unauthorized content. The only difference is Apple/Microsofts software license agreement states that they are not responsible for how users use their software.”

    Actually there isnt much of a difference as every torrent site im a member of displays a disclaimer on their site too…

    “Disclaimer: None of the files shown here are actually hosted on this server. The links are provided solely by this site’s users. The administrator of this site cannot be held
    responsible for what its users post, or any other actions of its users. You may not use this site to distribute or download any material when you do not have the legal rights to do so. It is your
    own responsibility to adhere to these terms. ”

    All 10 of the private and public trackers im a member of display this disclaimer on their homepage…

  • neostyles

    And yet the admins do nothing when copyrighted material shows up on their site. It’s almost like they want copyrighted material because.. that’s where their site’s popularity comes from? After all, they are proving a highly sought after illegal service.

  • Care Package

    @Neo Styles

    Did you even read the article? Is Oink charged with any copyright offences? No, and do you know why that is? Because he didn’t commit any. The world stretches futher than the United States and not everyone has induce laws. Take your blinkers off

  • \\.neo.styles|sSG

    Copyright law is an international legal concept. Nice try though.

  • Rabbit80

    @neo.styles|sSG

    Since when did the actual .torrent files violate copyright? Please show me what in the contents of a .torrent file is protected by copyright…

    Perhaps the violations are using the .torrent files to obtain copyrighted information – but it is not the sites that host the .torrents that do this!

    From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrent_file
    A torrent file is a bencoded dictionary with the following keys:

    announce – the URL of the tracker
    info – this maps to a dictionary whose keys are dependant on whether one or more than one files are being shared:
    name – suggested file/directory name where the file(s) is/are to be saved
    piece length – number of bytes per piece. This is commonly 218 = 256KB.
    pieces – the concatenation of the SHA-1′s of each piece. As SHA-1 returns a 160-bit hash, pieces will be a string whose length is a multiple of 160-bits.
    And exactly one of length (corresponds to when only one file is being shared) or files (corresponds to when multiple files are being shared):

    length – size of the file (in bytes)
    files – a list of dictionaries (each dictionary corresponds to a file) with the following keys:
    path – a list of strings corresponding to subdirectory names, the last of which is the actual file name
    length – size of the file (in bytes)
    All strings must be UTF-8 encoded.

    Extensions to BitTorrent define more keys.

    Please show me which part of this is in violation of copyright..

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  • MAFIAA

    So, if OiNK didn’t break copyright law by not transferring, copying or storing copyright works, and there is no offense of facilitation of the same under UK law, WHY WAS ELLIS REMOVING CONTENT IN THE FIRST PLACE???

  • Whatever

    @26
    Why are “you” hiding behind an alias telling everyone else not to use an alias?

    @trolls
    Do you work ? for a boss ? unemployed ? Unreason seems to have time to visit all p2p sites as stated by others a few times.

  • BIOS

    @44
    If some big company emailed you and threatened legal action if you didn’t remove a hyperlink, odds are you would delete that link very quickly.

    I don’t think what Ellis did was a crime. To commit a crime, one must break the law. There are laws for everything and if your actions do not go against them, you are not breaking the law.

    I’m sure he condoned piracy, but so do I. Even if I were to announce publicly that I believe piracy is fantastic and should be practiced daily, I am not breaking the law.

    Why isn’t Microsoft getting nailed for allowing people to use their operating system to steal data.

    Because people are using these tools how they want, and the people providing these tools can’t possibly be held responsible. Big media is so desperate to get some heads on pikes as a warning they will take what they can get. There is virtually no legitimate way to catch a file-sharer. So what happens? They go for the guy making it possible. Not Bill Gates, not the creators of uTorrent, Ellis (among all the others of course).

    This bullshit where the little guy gets screwed over by Jack offs in suits has got to end.

    @10 I couldn’t agree with you more. The only issue is that the people with the real money do not share the same philosophy. Their money will always (hopefully it will end but idk) give them the advantage.

  • Anon

    :\ doesnt it specifically say under the respond button not to respond to trolls?

    Somebody owes me a couple kb in bandwidth -_-

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    Neo.sty….

    Copyright law regarding media is becoming meaningless and will continue to meaning nothing as long as the internet and humans exist.

    Say or think whatever you want. You are part of the obsolete mentality that is the media corporations. Your extinction is imminent.

    Besides, why don’t you tell everyone what it is that you fear most? Share with us why the corporations have meetings with lawmakers behind closed doors and why they don’t want anyone to know? I know what you and the corporations are so afraid.

    Pathetic.

  • United

    Have faith mate, but not in the UK system. These man-made copyright laws are there because the industry want it there.

    They have the money to change the law, get the Gov’t to agree with their agenda, and so on.

    You’ll need all the luck you can get. Even when you are not committing anything illegal according to the current law, the MAFIAAs will always find a way to get at you.

    We need to unite and support each other.

    Obvious trolls are obvious.

  • adnfaldk

    I know this sounds like a pathetic excuse, but when you consider the court findings in other cases, ie. isohunt, and mininova, who’ve had their public comments to the effect of “yaaarrrrr” used to settled the case against them, specifically referencing it as intent, this then seems like the next logical defense, and isn’t it? It’s not like the law knows to this very day wtf is what when it comes to downloading. They seem to be making them up as they go along, and /or as fast as they can be bought.

  • Gargamel

    12 Jan 14, 2010 at 00:16 by Realist:we have got bigger problems now with the acta.

    QFT!

    This is going to look like fuking Disneyland once ACTA hits.

  • Ben Ben

    @36 Jan 14, 2010 at 06:07 by Unauthorized Content Consumer

    You help people when you can and it’s called doing something for the common good, whether you see it or not, we are all in the same boat. If you fall off the boat and I don’t try to help you how can I expect anybody to try and help me when I fall off.

    @45 Jan 14, 2010 at 10:06 by \\.neo.styles|sSG
    Copyright law is an international legal concept. Nice try though.

    It’s because of words like these that some people in this world maintain the views they have about the U.S. You do not tell people what to do in their own countries and homes. It pisses people off.

    @50 Jan 14, 2010 at 12:38 by BIOS

    When you march 5% of a countries population outside the parliament house and demand that an outdated law be changed, for those hours, no amount of money can silence the peoples voice. Our greatest power lays in our numbers.

  • Mehz

    he is screwed , when the police raied his house they fould loads of pirate cd’s and music

  • Bad MoJo

    the classic defense of conspiracy is that you cannot conspire with yourself. It would take two.

    However the plus side for IFPI is that no actual crime has to be proved.

    You can conspire w/someone to off your spouse and be convicted without it really happening.

    Its bullshit law but legal.

  • M-RES

    @ Mehz

    Obvious troll is obvious

  • M-RES

    Have the media whores defined how Ellis would have defrauded them? If they ‘knew’ he was conspiring to defraud them, then they must know the nature of the fraud itself, surely.

    I find it interesting, because it can’t possibly be related to the Oink site itself whatsoever and must be a personal activity Ellis continued outside of his admin work with Oink.

    Unless he was advertising, for profit (either profiting from the advertising of, or actual sale of) copyrighted works. If he was counterfeiting copyrighted works and selling those counterfeit copies for profit, then THAT can be considered conspiracy to defraud.

    If he just ran a site hosting torrent files/database then he was merely facilitating a search service very much like Google. Technical fact… sorry neotroll… nice try though.

  • United

    FIRST sue Google then come after Mr. Ellis. You can juice out more money from Google.

    He is technically (for all you can’t grasp the technical concept) running a service that is the SAME as Google.

    Search for something that is copyright material and you’ll definitely come across loads.

    Hypocrites!

  • United

    or are you hypocrites scared to sue Google?

    They have the money and brains to defend and defeat you!

    When that case fails, you’ll have no-one to go after.

    This case isn’t over yet…

  • TerribleTony

    A Jury is a good thing, they can be appealed to with common sense and carefully placed emotions.

  • Anonymous

    @34

    No, you did indeed get 2 invites for your first donation. Any invites after that were gained by your ratio.

  • Anonymouse

    Oink was a business and it made a lot of money. All decent torrent sites make a lot of money for their operators or else they wouldn’t, couldn’t exist.

    Ellis was out to make money, he wasn’t running a philanthropic service for impoverished music lovers or striking a blow against the evils of the music industry.

    If he is found not guilty it will be because he didn’t technically break the laws he sailed so desperately close to but it’s plain to see he made an awful lot of money off the backs of the record companies. Is that fraud? In spirit, yes, in law, possibly not.

    Sophistry, sophistry, all is sophistry.

  • Anonymouse

    @61/62/United

    It is NOT the same as Google. Oink (privately) created, hosted and advertised .torrent files specifically linked to ripped versions of copyrighted music.

    Google only indexes already existing .torrent files from public sites and doesn’t link directly to the uploader. Google never indexed any Oink .torrent files.

  • A non troll

    Yes Anonymouse all your posts are sophistry, even when you post as raisn brain/no style!

    Oink never linked directly to the uploader either!

  • Rabbit80

    Search engines are hopefully soon to be protected against copyright infringement in the uk by the Digital Economy Bill… tell me how a torrent site is different from a search engine!

  • Think about it

    @ 46 Jan 14, 2010 at 11:05 by Rabbit80

    No point asking neo.troll anything. He was proven illiterate 2 stories ago: http://torrentfreak.com/oink-was-started-to-improve-elliss-programming-skills-100112/#comment-632949

  • Anonymous

    @Think about it

    Yeah, neo got slammed pretty hard by the posts after yours as well. Must suck to be proven to be a moron to the entire world. If I were him I would never mention his troll name outside cyber-space, just too embarrassing.

  • Sean

    I like having different views and arguements in the comments section. It’s interesting.

    Oh, and whatever happened to Reasoned Mind? He kinda dissapeared…(though I don’t read every article, so I may be wrong)

  • Quartz

    \\.neo.styles|sSG
    ” Now that the law finally caught up with him he just doesn’t want to admit it so he’s playing dumb.”

    I suggest that this is better than being seen to be actually dumb.

    The case seems to going in favour of Mr Ellis and unless there is something new or unknown in the pipeline to come its pretty clear there is no case to answer here and we can expect to enjoy the fruits of his succes by trouncing the copyright despots in as many media outlets as we can find, that should be what is occuring now, get planning folks.

  • tk4

    Alan Ellis is my hero and always will be.
    Oink was the best thing ever happened in my torrent sharing life.
    But closing sites won’t help shit, as we’ll never stop.

  • M-RES

    So I’m still waiting for Neotroll to explain how Google is different to a torrent search service.

    Google hyperlinks. Torrents are hyperlinks. Same thing.

    So please please please point out the legal difference.

  • Anonymous

    @71

    To explain the mysterious disappearance of Reasoned Mind, one might note that when he stopped posting, neostyles, who was not posting much, started posting more…

    ;)

  • Hippie
  • nnnnnn

    @74

    seems people aren’t getting smarter at all, why should google be called a torrent search service. It’s a fucking search engine, search for phrases and it gives you result. good and bad, both pron sites etc. It doesn’t state that we “index torrent sites for you” jeez. What you dig is what you get. Google shouldn’t even be put into this.

    A torrent search service does the job of searching torrents specifically. Tired of talking now.

  • Think about it

    @ 77 Jan 16, 2010 at 02:01 by nnnnnn

    That makes no sense at all. Just because Google indexes more than torrent sites doesn’t mean they don’t also index torrent sites. I think the main point trying to be made is that Google doesn’t filter so why should torrent indexers filter. Also it is logical to also conclude that if indexing certain torrents is considered aiding in copyright infringement for the torrent indexer why would it not for Google? They index the same information.

    Posters are only saying Google is doing wrong if the torrent indexer is doing wrong. The point being missed is that neither is doing wrong.

  • noname

    Pirates XXX

  • definition

    Piracy is possible because of the digital nature of movies and music today, but under existing laws, it’s clear that piracy is theft.

    If you enable theft without being a thief, you might not be a pirate, but you’re an accessory to the crime, and you’ll pay a fine or spend quality time in a penitentiary.

    You have no inalienable right to steal, but that habit is best cured by hanging.

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