OiNK Investigation Seeks Identities and Activities of Users
Written by enigmax on October 23, 2007OiNK, one of the world’s most popular trackers has been shutdown. Now, in the hours immediately following the closure, the site is responding but displaying an ominous message indicating an investigation into the site’s users has begun.
The message currently on the OiNK page is as follows:
Many of OiNK’s users have been enquiring if their details are safe on the site. The message: “A criminal investigation continues into the identities and activities of the site’s users” will not exactly fill them with confidence.
However, everyone in the BitTorrent world will be familiar with the propaganda put out by anti-piracy organizations and many will be familiar with a similar situation a few years ago when the LokiTorrent tracker was closed and seemingly none of the users were tracked down. Fear, uncertainty and doubt – it’s all part of the anti-p2p strategy but it’s hugely doubtful that 180,000 users will be pursued, it’s just not cost effective and most are scattered around the globe.
According to whois.sc, the visitors to the site are split: United States 50.7%, United Kingdom 7%, Canada 6%, Sweden 3.2%, Germany 2.7% and Netherlands at just 1.9%. Although of questionable accuracy, these figures should give at least an idea of the trend on the site.
Clearly the statement on the homepage is designed to scare all the ex-OiNK members back into the record shops and not let them think it’s safe to join another tracker. That strategy has been tried before (You Can Click But You Can’t Hide) and it doesn’t work. Additionally, more and more people are choosing to protect their privacy with VPN services such as VPNTunnel and Relakks, finding that a small investment is worth the peace of mind in the long run.
So who are the players in this OiNK takedown?
Most people know about the IFPI – The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry. This organization says it represents the worldwide interests of the recording industry with the backing of nearly 1,500 record businesses in 75 countries. Its main aim is to fight piracy.
The BPI – British Phonographic Industry is similar to the RIAA in the US. It’s made up of hundreds of music businesses and fronted by the ‘big four’ – EMI, Sony BMG, Universal and Warner. Created in 1973, its stated main aim is to combat piracy.
The FIOD-ECD – Fiscal Investigation Unit of the Dutch Police is a worrying inclusion to the list of people involved in the closure of OiNK. FIOD-ECD is a Dutch government agency dedicated to chasing down people alleged to be involved in fiscal, financial and economic fraud – usually major criminals. With these people involved, getting access to records from hosts wouldn’t have proven too difficult – FIOD-ECD are not just another BREIN, they have some serious powers.
People familiar with the ShareConnector and Releases4u cases in the Netherlands will remember the involvement of FIOD-ECD. The case took over 2 years to come to court and the result was a complete failure for them. The admin of ShareConnector got off completely and a couple of small fines (around $350) were handed out to the admins of Releases4U for uploading copyright material. Additionally, FIOD-ECD failed to provide enough evidence to prove ShareConnector was involved in copyright infringement nor enough to prove that either organization was criminal in nature.
Many people will be keeping their fingers crossed that the progress against OiNK mirrors this.
Following a 2 year investigation (or 3 month investigation, depending on the source) which involved Interpol, Police are insisting that OiNK was a pay site. Members were given the option to donate but this insistence that OiNK was some sort of criminal network where people paid to be a member is clearly untrue but it’s likely that this is the reason the real police (as opposed to the ‘copyright police’) and FIOD-ECD are involved.
Jeremy Banks of the IFPI said: “This was not a case of friends sharing music for pleasure.”
Yes it was Jeremy.
Previously: OiNK.cd Servers Raided, Admin Arrested
Next: OiNK Admin Released From Custody
162 Responses
OMG
OMG
OMG
Looking forward to see how they are going to sue 180 000 users.
Hope OiNK v2 will rise soon… :)
THIS SUCKS.
LoL…They arent going to go after 180k people spread across the globe. They may have power and money, but the legal costs alone to go after 180k individual people would be pointless.
Wow, I just woke up terrible way to start my day, My homepage is now a grey screen of death.
Seems like there will be a jurisdiction problem. All of those organizations are British in nature, and as the authorities so astutely pointed out, the member base is worldwide.
Sav V:
Hello Jeremey. I want to play a game. You’ve spent your life sending innocent people to jail for music downloads, and today you will face retribution. There is a poison in your body. To get the antidote, go online with your real name and get an invite to Demonoid, telling people what you’ve done. You have 5 hours.
I would so buy tickets to see that.
I think this is more of a case of shut down the site and perhaps go after the scene users responsible for uploading all the pre-release material. The press releases keep bringing up the fact that this was a pre-release hub that originated most of the material.
Also, those 180,000 users are worldwide. It seems like this would cost millions and take a long time to go after all the users.
They may single out the people who were dumb enough to donate. And yes, I am included in that number. That gives them a direct link from userid to PayPal or credit card account. I am about as scared as I can be.
While prosecuting these guys for fraud, I doubt they could use any evidence that comes direct from the horses mouth as evidence of wrongdoing.
But Judge, so and so upload over 10TB.
Who says so?
This fraudster right here!
Of course, they could drop the whole fraud angle, but then they’d have to admit to wasting police time, and not just in one country.
Even without the fraud angle though, anything they get from the databases is entirely circumstancial.
Maybe someone uploaded xxGB on torrent xyz, maybe they cheated or someone manually changed the stats. None of it is anywhere near as admissable as downloading an entire copy from a user.
oh teh noes! thats bad… )=
Isn’t there a serial killer somewhere that needs to be caught?
devestating
I cant think of a more popular private tracker and this is a huge landmark for the Anipiracy world.
I hope this doesnt pave the way for things to come…
And as some people have said bring on OINK V2 !
RIP OINK V1 and good luck in court
Totally B***ocks Oink Was FREE to join and FREE to share if the admin did make money from the site it was through the ever so common BT sites, “Server Donation Fund” ;)
I,m not sure if torrent files actually contain copyright material, just a means of contact.
Nah,
serial killers only harm unimportant human beings.
File sharers harm corporation’a profits -> less political “donations”.
lets ddos the anti-piracy :@
..no but seriously, oink :|
I’m gonna go cry now
http://www.stmusic.org for people needing scene stuff
Yea, pay site my ass. You donated if you wanted to to help server costs & site maintenance. As far as I can tell this all is happening in the UK, nothing about the US. WOOT!
Yea, pay site my ass. You donated if you wanted to to help server costs & site maintenance. As far as I can tell this all is happening in the UK, nothing about the US. WOOT!
Lol what’s the big deal all they got is a bunch of ips the same fucking thing they get while sabotaging trackers and logging while they’re on it.
Those no good sons of bitches just try to scare everyone and this is nothing they’ve got there… unless you registered with your real name… and even that is no proof at all.
Don’t let them scare you away that’s all they got laugh in their faces and fuck them!
Last week I bought the last Music CD in my life. That is for sure.
FUCK YOU!!!
OiNK Is Dead, Long Live OiNK.
Myabe the good folks at the Pirate Bay will host pink too…
“This is how it works. Whatever you sink, we build back up. Whomever you sue, ten new pirates are recruited. Wherever you go, we are already ahead of you. You are the past and the forgotten, we are the internet and the future.”
Okay, wtf! Can’t you pay like $20/month or something for your whois information to be not public?
Holy crap, it has him, and couple of the other guy’s information wide open…Address, phone number…No shit it was easy to raid the servers, especially when you have all the information leading to his exact residence.
oink was hands down the best place to find what you need. thanks for all the tunes. in the back of my head i knew it was only a matter of time before it got shutdown. good thing i dled more than i could ever listen too.
Last I checked, it’s not illegal to donate money to websites to pay for server costs. Nowhere on Oink’s site did it say that money was going towards anything but paying costs.
There were also “legal” downloads on the site; live bootlegs from bands that allow trading of their shows, so not all people who threw a few bucks their way were paying for illegal downloads.
Who cares about the scene? Getting scene stuff is quite easy. It’s on nearly every tracker. The private releases were the interesting part.
Damn! No more oink? How the heck am I supposed to get invited to Demonoid?
SANTA NEEDS OINK!!!!
No presents for you this year. Bad IFPI. Bad.
Thanks for writing the only good article about this
[quote comment="193407"]Thanks for writing the only good article about this[/quote]
Haha, so true. OMG, imagine if the BBC article actual does more to advertise the site rather than make it seem like a bad place.
Not wanting to start a false rumour or anything but after browsing some IRC channels i noticed a news comment on 1
“as we speak developers are working hard on http://www.moo.me.uk”
keep your eyes open
[quote comment="193388"]Yea, pay site my ass. You donated if you wanted to to help server costs & site maintenance. As far as I can tell this all is happening in the UK, nothing about the US. WOOT![/quote]
no shit … US is the heart of all this shit… of course your not going to hear anything about it.
A pay site…….
Anyone know if the developers/moderators of OiNK are also going to have problems with authorities? Are they hanging out in IRC somewhere right now?
I have been going on now for the last few months trying to tell people they should leave Oink because of the shit about to happen. I just love it when people ignore me. But hey, though’s of you caught in the investigation and prosicuted … sucks to be you. As for the admins. Thoughs fucking idiots/assholes were ignorant when I tried to warn them about the raid only weeks befor the actual raid. Their words to me were “Look another troll trying more scare tactics.” I was then banned from the server. You know… I do feel that the pirate community does contribute a lot of things to the world in making it better as anti piracy groups only want to stop the evolution due to their greed and hate towards people smarter and at time more intelligent. But due to OinK’s admins ignorance, another site will be shutdown and the fight against the anti-piracy groups gets a little weaker due to this defeat.
Mabby the next group will find it in them to believe their members instead of being dumb ass’s.
Oh enigmax, carefull with what your reporting on… shit just might come back to bite you in the ass.
The record industry got THOUSENDS of euro’s from me BECAUSE OF OINK.
I – like many others – do buy their cds if they are worth it and I found countless of bands and cds I would never had even heard of on OiNK and eventually bought them.
But you know what? fuck them. I’m not buying any of their over priced cd’s anymore sucks for the artists but I’ve had it I’m not buying shit from record companies anymore.
They say we hurt the artists by downloading music? hah what a joke. If anything they are the once that really hurt the artists with over pricing CD’s/DVD’s and other media trying to force us to have them decide where and how many times we play our bought music.
Would be nice if the artists would put some pressure on the record companies they are the main reason they are losing A LOT of money.
[quote comment="193418"]Not wanting to start a false rumour or anything but after browsing some IRC channels i noticed a news comment on 1
“as we speak developers are working hard on http://www.moo.me.uk”
keep your eyes open[/quote]
OMG, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING!!! I knew there was a message in their title all along!
Its a sad day for music. The “news” that is coming out about this shows the propaganda that the government is putting out. Its bullshit.
Pirate Bay guys: If you’re out there, pleeeaaasse save oink!
yeah ditto above, this article was very informative, put most of my immediate concerns to rest.
what a sad, sad day.
long live oink
I wonder if anyone told the IFPI that not only is wasting police time in a purely civil matter a criminal offense in the UK (3 years I believe), but that an IP is NO PROOF of a crime taking place in the first place. Our cousins in the US saw to that in the courts.
Secondly, Dutch law doesn’t apply in the UK. The same as British law doesn’t apply in Sweden (see TPB legal threats for more) and neither does US law apply ANYWHERE other than the United States.
Thirdly, the cost alone to the British taxpayer for something like this when PLY quite rightly says:
“Isn’t there a serial killer on the loose that needs to be caught?”
Quite right. If you’re a serial killer we’ll give you 3 years. Use P2P and we’ll not only try and take you for every penny, we’ll label you a criminal and have you sent away for 5 – 10 years for trumped up charges and political capital.
Saito,
You aren’t the first I’ve seen say such, but keep in mind that most of these artists are:
1. Rich and don’t give a fuck
2. Ordered by the Companies to prosecute or they would be sued for attempting to assist piracy.
3. Told that their money isn’t coming in as much due to piracy on the internet when they are really being robbed by their contract holder.
4. Too busy buying more shit with their millions of dollars for them selfs then assisting the world with the crap going on because they are too conceded to help others.
Hopefully that gives people an idea of what a good portion of artists really are. Their are the few that may not be as stated above, but unfortunately the news and government groups choose to profile “sharing” members of the cyber world as thief’s and criminals, So I choose to profile artists and record companies as greedy selfish fucking pigs that need to get a firm beat down in hopes to beat some since into them.
Satio, if you think the record industry cares about the lost sales from a couple disgruntled bit torrent users, you’re an idiot. No matter how many ways you deny it, most people that used OiNK, especially since it was such quality (lossless, etc…) never went and bought the album after downloading it. The piracy they saved far outweighs the sales lost. Just because they’re jerks doesn’t mean they’re stupid.
OiNK will be missed, I really hope a successor comes up soon.
ill miss oink, but those admins were fucking douchebags
its bellends like you lot openly blagging names on sites like this that draws there attention to it stfu please keep it underground .
This is why I’m glad that I NEVER bought CDs, even from bands I liked. Saw them live and bought t-shirts, yes. But CDs? No.
The prevailing philosophy on OiNK seemed to be that if you like something you should buy the CD. Now a whole lot of people are going to reconsider that. Supporting the artists is great, but if you support these anti-piracy crooks as well, you’re not helping anyone. And a larger portion of the CD price goes to them.
im fucking pissed that it got closed down, i was only the site for about 6 months, and it was the shit, had every single thing i wanted. But if the moo thing is true im gone keep my eyes open for it.
[quote comment="193454"]Pirate Bay guys: If you’re out there, pleeeaaasse save oink![/quote]
Don’t go begging TPB for help as they still have their hands full with SuprNova and the current investigation going on about them. Keep in mind that should TPB fail then the basis of all the fighting we are doing will only leave us all fucked.
Is there anyway to donate to the poor dude arrested?
I sent a message to the people at thepiratebay to put a fund raiser up at ifpi.com which they are sitting on.
Sadly i doubt that would happen tho.
@ “not good…”
I fall into that boat too. What will canceling my paypal account do?
As a former OiNK member i can tell you that taking down this site will only hurt the recording industry. If everyone had to pay for every song they wanted to listen to no one could afford it, leaving people with far less interest in music in general, and a much narrower taste as well. Having access to a site like Oink on helped to expand the member’s musical horizons, and create a massive grass roots fanbase for music of all kinds in general.
Don’t worry people, there will be something coming back that is even better. They will never be able to stop this. The ONLY downside to this is the couple months of downtime and having to restart your ratio over….
Long live freedom on the net, anonymity, and power to the masses.
Brian…
canceling your paypal account will only leave you without an account. not worth deleted. Just pucker up your ass cheeks and hope they don’t get anything off the servers to prosecute you.
Paco420
YOU CANT SPELL FOR SHIT! SHOULDN’T YOU BE IN SOCIAL STUDIES OR SOMETHING YOU 12 YEAR OLD FUCK
[quote comment="193475"]As a former OiNK member i can tell you that taking down this site will only hurt the recording industry. If everyone had to pay for every song they wanted to listen to no one could afford it, leaving people with far less interest in music in general, and a much narrower taste as well. Having access to a site like Oink on helped to expand the member’s musical horizons, and create a massive grass roots fanbase for music of all kinds in general.
Don’t worry people, there will be something coming back that is even better. They will never be able to stop this. The ONLY downside to this is the couple months of downtime and having to restart your ratio over….
Long live freedom on the net, anonymity, and power to the masses.[/quote]
I would say, OiNK actually opened me up to new music I have never even heard of…
Infected Mushrooms, Ween, heck even Modest Mouse…
If it wasn’t for OiNK I would probably never even got into the psy-trance genre.
Also made me realize how things like iTunes are forcing us to pay $0.99 for crap quality…128kbs MY ASS!!!
OiNK gave us FLAC, for free… Made me realize that music should be enjoyed for all it’s glory, not let it be shit-faced with crappy encodings by apple and what not…
[quote comment="193474"]@ “not good…”
I fall into that boat too. What will canceling my paypal account do?[/quote]
What would be the rational after going after people who donated money? Chances are, if you donated money to this site, you probably are someone who will also pay for music.
Perhaps it’s just wishful thinking on my part, but it really seems to me that if they’re going to really pursue any members here, it will be those who were uploading pre-release material, since this whole raid has been predicated upon stopping that.
Is a person who donated a few bucks to the site any more guilty than someone that didn’t? I don’t think so.
[quote comment="193479"]Paco420
YOU CANT SPELL FOR SHIT! SHOULDN’T YOU BE IN SOCIAL STUDIES OR SOMETHING YOU 12 YEAR OLD FUCK[/quote]
HA you fucking idiot… try posting something related to topic… I know my spelling isn’t the best but at least I know how to turn off the caps lock… Oh and being that English isn’t my first language, that may explain why my spelling at times may be shit… and I’m 25 jack ass.
[quote comment="193383"]www.stmusic.org for people needing scene stuff[/quote]
hosted@ leaseweb too….
comes next. do not advertise it… its not good :P
it is perfectly legal to donate to paypal
they cannot use paypal informatoin againts him what so ever all ur information reguardin that is fine
I wish someone could log in and remove that greyscreen, it annoys me.
PORT STATE SERVICE
22/tcp open ssh
25/tcp open smtp
37/tcp open time
80/tcp open http
113/tcp open auth
587/tcp open submission
3306/tcp open mysql
OiNK opened up a world of music and non-fictional audiobooks to me, but now it’s gone in a cloud of false accusations and general misinformation (paying to get access to oink?! bulls**t!). And these are the main reasons for involving even the Interpol. I’m sick of this.
Stop paying for any music that is being funded by these *IAA crooks, THE MARKET is the only thing these idiots can comprehend, they do not know the concept of “human nature”, or “etchics”.
I’m off to buy Radiohead, but aren’t they too in the hands of some major label? Are the mp3’s they “sell” online watermarked? [ http://www.inrainbows.com/ ]
[quote comment="193482"]Oh and being that English isn’t my first language, that may explain why my spelling at times may be shit… and I’m 25 jack ass.[/quote]
We know how old you are
http://searchirc.com/boards/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=22696
Why not send some flames to:
Internet Anti-Piracy Unit
Jeremy Banks- Vice-President, Internet Anti-Piracy
IFPI Secretariat
10 Piccadilly
London
W1J 0DD
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0)20 7878 7900
Fax: +44 (0)20 7878 7950
E-mail: info@ifpi.org
or to
BPI
Riverside Building
County Hall
Westminster Bridge Road
London SE1 7JA
T: +44 (0)20 7803 1300
F: +44 (0)20 7803 1310
E: general@bpi.co.uk / antipiracy@bpi.co.uk
if the media industry rationale is correct then closing OiNK will result in a spike of CD/DVD sales as the 180,000 members flock back to the retail stores NOT!
as enigmax rightly says, more worrying for poor Alan and his pals is the involvement of FIOD-ECD because after having been burned in previous court cases they are gonna be a lot smarter. they must have some serious evidence against the operators of OiNK
i couple of hours ago i spoke with someone close to the host of OiNK and he stuttered when i put it to him that the servers (as reported by the BBC) were taken last week “i dont know anything about that” … that is something the big uploaders at OiNK wanna take care of
http://www.h33t.com
[quote comment="193507"][quote comment="193482"]Oh and being that English isn’t my first language, that may explain why my spelling at times may be shit… and I’m 25 jack ass.[/quote]
We know how old you are
http://searchirc.com/boards/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=22696/quote
Wow looks like someone has been doing their homework. Congratulation on finding basically nothing on me. As I openly tell people who I am. Hell if you want come talk to me on irc.p2p-network.net I hang out in # spikedtearadio #demonoid or find me in irc.steroidbot.com #lobby
Their is some more information so you know more of who I am. not much but… next? Can we get back to topic at hand now?
Start running tor nodes people. It’s not illegal to run one…
Only a matter of time before a tracker starts up as a .onion/tor site, but it will take a lot of running nodes to satisfy that bandwidth.
guess bitsoup is next in line..
if we follow the md mails
funny they don’t mention how much software changed hands on that site. oink was outta control. as much as I may miss it, i do think there needs to be a place for a “music” industry in the future. Oink was so damn good, there was no need for anything else. Ever. Bye bye piggy.
Lets face it, oink admins were really dumb, they have problems only becouse there were dumb and thats all!
I will wait how story will develop, was thinkin’ to open nice tracker too… I just need some confidence!
I think everyone is missing the most important point. I see no use of ajax on that page.
If this isn’t proof that there is a demand for all-you-can-download subscription services THAT WORK ON IPOD, I don’t know what is.
OINK was an evil pig that deserved to go to the slaughterhouse. They got fat off of donations and whatever else they could root out. OINK was not true P2P. TRue P2P is people sharing, saying what they want without fear, not worrying about BS ratios. There will always bee leechers. The Admins made life HELL. One could get banned for nothing. They had silly rules. For instance, unless you had an avatar of a cutsy utsy stuffed anilmal you were banned! I swear! I hope they ROT in jail and misery for making people live in fear on their site. Be carefull LEROY when you bend over to pickup that bar of soap….hahahah!
http://oinkmemorial.blogspot.com/
Dude most of these so called tracker ‘admins’ are idiots.
I mean come on what do you expect?
Its ppl hanging around in irc all day, most of them don’t have anything but the little power to ban someone from the site and kick’em off the chan.
In return they get hammered with mostly stupid questions all day. First off all you have to be pretty dumb to do something like that for free and secondly being that dumb doesn’t help with looking smart part (duh)… so you look like an asshole.
P2P sites are ALL about the community and the OiNK community was the shit! Fuck admins just ignore them and you’ll be fine. I’ve honestly got an irssi script that ignores anyone with @/% on some of these chans. Makes live fun again.
Seems like they have planned this for 2 years..
The weird thing is that the article below claims that the servers were seized last week..
Taken from bbc.co.uk:
“The site’s servers, based in Amsterdam, were seized in a series of raids last week.
It followed a two-year investigation by music industry bodies the IFPI and the British Phonographic Industry (BPI). “
As someone who downloaded like 60gigs of music and donated money, and living in a very affluent part of the US (although not affluent themselves), what precautions should they take? What is the chance of them actually being investigated? Is TrueCrypt good enough?
You life in the states!
They’ll probably decalre you a terrorist and torture you until you decrypt the stuff yourself… other than that truecrypt is good :).
moo.me.uk – tribute to oink which DID sound right :D
F that
I guess the lesson is don’t get too big and popular, diversify into lots of smaller sites rather than one one one maybe?
Responce to Damn: i hate to say it but perhaps they have been watching/monitoring the server since that time? also the people who speak about site names in public are the people to blame for all of this. why cant u just keep what you know about to yourselfs?? nobody thinks your elite cos you know a couple of bit torrent site names.
they’re not going to raid your house, they’re going to send you a letter, if anything. truecrypt is pointless.
>>79
Do you mean TC is a waste of time, or that they could easily crack it?
@ 78:
Good thing I got a warning on oink.cd for uploading an invalid torrent 3 weeks ago..
The warning got me to use demonoid.com instead until the warning would go away.
I had almost no activities in that period of time.
Let’s hope this thing just goes away..
I’m going to think twice about downloading music again.. Didn’t like this raid on oink.cd.. :(
http://www.stmusic.org
Hallo torrent freeks.
my name is Pedro and i run a tracker and like very much you people come put money in me for your download.
it only cost 25 dollar and you can leech all you wan for 25 dollar you love it long time.
we now allow that getto rasist black music on the site like rap and hip hop but pleese try put me some good progressive rock or maybe we find reeson to ban you. no only joking hahaha and anyway you pay 25 dollar for more leechy leechy and you make me so happy.
thank you me like you
Piotr “Pedro” Drozdz
Krakov, Poland
http://btmusic.eu
@83. That had better be a joke.
Um, thank God my ratio was like 0.002
@69
No you would net get banend for not having a dumb avatar you would get your avatar removed and at the very most a week warning.
Also the very best sites have to have a ratio requirement or else downloads are much MUCH too slow. Like demonoid.
Also requirement were not that bad.
AES encryption is not crackable.. not unless you’ve got a couple of decades to spare but since the password you chose will probably be week or you’ll write it down for someone else to find… well. Read the god damn faq or don’t use it.
But, I guess what someone was trying to say was that no one is gonna raid your house so why encrypt… even though I agree with him all my stuff is encrypted, lol.. I know.
I just find it amusing that he stated … “we now allow that getto rasist black music on the site like rap and hip hop”
Oh yes… that will get you clients..
[quote comment="193629"]@83. That had better be a joke.[/quote]
Wat you thing my prizes are karazy prize?
I tell for you I make good deel. you wan pay me $15 for some good leechy?
I make $15 for you and be safe because we are in Poland and out server is unhackerd.
I so happy oink go becoz it meen more happy with me for all you leech.
I pay poland police $500 a month to protect the site and also give them all the leech they want.
You safe with me and we love to have your leeching here.
http://btmusic.eu
[quote comment="193638"]I just find it amusing that he stated … “we now allow that getto rasist black music on the site like rap and hip hop”
Oh yes… that will get you clients..[/quote]
i dont understand clients i just want leech.
http://btmusic.eu – leechy leech for $25. P2P is like this best.
http://enjoys.it/2007/10/23/some-facts-and-some-rumors-about-the-oink-takedown/
correct me if im wrong but arent clients the one that will be paying you the $25… i mean i could be wrong but im 99.99% sure im not. that or your just a troll
[quote comment="193647"]correct me if im wrong but arent clients the one that will be paying you the $25… i mean i could be wrong but im 99.99% sure im not. that or your just a troll[/quote]
clients / leeches is the same thing and what keep p2p and my site run so good.
I’m not troll. did you see my website? http://btmusic.eu you can send $25 now to leech happy with me before slawterd pig even get roosted.
Paco420 = weirdo creep
Muhaha Pedro is the best.
(wtf happened to my other post?)
[quote comment="193655"]Muhaha Pedro is the best.[/quote]
VR? Frieden? Bonzo?
ummm I haven’t payed for a torrent as of yet… I don’t intend to start now… I am happy being a seeder and a leecher were the case may be. $25 for unlimited downloading?? oh please. their is a gimmick some were…
I am honestly pissed you have the same first name as me.
well, i think that everyone knew that it would eventually get shut down. that’s common sense.
i agree with the statements about opening up new music avenues. like many others i would have never heard or listened to half the bands i do without oink. consequently, that drove me to shows, where band truly make their money. being in a band myself, that has dealt with record labels and tours, i can say with confidence that the majority of the bands out there don’t see very much money for cd sales, but survive on what little they make on tours. To make the cds, bands use advances from labels, which they have to pay back plus interest. it is true that record labels have been loosing out on cd sales, but, to counteract that, they’ve been digging into bands tour proceeds. if you haven’t noticed the price of tickets has went through the roof. if the labels wised up and started selling cd’s for $5 a pop, rather than $20, i imagine that they’d surpass their cd sales of even the best years of the past.
the next predicament that the labels face is the ease and ability to make, produce and distribute your own music. my band now, does all work from the comfort of our home. we keep all the masters, have total control and keep the money from sales and tours. the net has opened up the avenues producing, promoting and distributing yourself. so, i guess that means that big brother (record companies+gov) will do away with recording software and ultimately the internet altogether. and food for thought… what about all the record labels that have experimented with uploading songs/albums with advertising to the p2p sites? they’ll no doubt get off scott free for promoting and trying to make money off of something illegal.
now, that doesn’t put any of the fears of an investigation to rest. if it’s going to happen, it’s going to happen. nothing you can do to turn back the clock. besides would you do anything differently? probably not. i’d say, by the time they’d actually get to you and court, they’ll have another big fish to try and fry. i’d say, sit back and take it as it comes. and, I’m a user whose both uploaded and downloaded enough to draw attention… i have to say, i am guilty of uploading my own bands music! how dare i? wait, does that mean i can sue myself?
[quote comment="193663"]ummm I haven’t payed for a torrent as of yet… I don’t intend to start now… I am happy being a seeder and a leecher were the case may be. $25 for unlimited downloading?? oh please. their is a gimmick some were…
I am honestly pissed you have the same first name as me.[/quote]
Well i might want to take your seed as it make me happy and mean that with your seed i make money by giving it to make leech.
my real name is piotr i use pedro because it make me more safe as admin and i always try think safe to protect my website busyness.
Oh no here come Shakiro.
hahahhaha..Pedro Drozdz,that made my afternoon…i needed a good laugh after the death of OiNK.
another tracker has been suspended too, My Bloody Tracker:
http://shoegaze.lt/index.html
I checked the message out and published the news myself on http://www.WhichWebsite.com
Well sucks to be you folks.
I would imagine the authorities could make more money from action against people stupidly using oink than they do from the speed cameras the UK is infested with.
Part of me is hoping all the leechers get busted and part of me is hoping both the leechers *and* the seeders get busted.
I hope you’re all crying to mommy about how you didn’t do anything wrong except download stuff you have no right to download.
rofl.
im cryin right now oink wqas my life. im only 14 yrs old bt i live in the US so 4 right now i think im safe
[quote comment="193695"]Well sucks to be you folks.
I would imagine the authorities could make more money from action against people stupidly using oink than they do from the speed cameras the UK is infested with.
Part of me is hoping all the leechers get busted and part of me is hoping both the leechers *and* the seeders get busted.
I hope you’re all crying to mommy about how you didn’t do anything wrong except download stuff you have no right to download.
rofl.[/quote]
Piss off ass fuck.
Most of the shit I downloaded was taped shows anyway, fuck these big brther government types that want to regulate the net. FUCK OFF YOU TYRANNICAL BASTARDS!!
what about software dls done off oink? is that a bigger flag then dl-ing music? thoughts appreciated
BURN CD STORES TO MAKE A POINT! WORLDWIDE DESTRUCTION, AND TAKE BACK THE STREETS FROM THESE TYRANTS.
[quote comment="193701"]… bt i live in the US so 4 right now i think im safe[/quote]
That one made me laugh hehe.
Why are the server and user database in the custody of some sketchy recording industry affiliate? Do they just bypass the police and law altogether in that country, and turn an investigation over to IFPI and BPI?
I get the vibe that moo.me.uk is a trap. IT’S A TRAP!!!
The sites will spring up but something tells me it will be a stupid thing to log into a new site posted here. IFPI MAFIAA they will all post that here just so you can login and get busted.
oink’s motto was “becuase moo just doesn’t sound right.” i can literally guarantee 100 percent that if moo.me.uk started it wouldn’t be by the same people that did oink.
fuck you paco420 fuck you, you are a cockass faggot and you should eat shit and die, oink rocked and oink2 wil rock so hard it will rock paco420 fuckin tiny balls out of his sack.
Why don’t the cunts go out and catch real thieves… Like the fucking thief who stole my baseball…
HAVE YOU SEEN MY BASEBALL?
FRANK & BEANS
FRANK & BEANS
…anyway, breakfast’s ready. Mmmm, bacon.
[quote comment="193457"]Dutch law doesn’t apply in the UK. The same as British law doesn’t apply in Sweden (see TPB legal threats for more) and neither does US law apply ANYWHERE other than the United States.[/quote]
That’s true in theory, but governments ignore the law when it’s convenient. Don’t forget that it was US law that shut down Allofmp3 (Russia) and US law that got the Piratebay raided (Sweden).
If all bands took Radiohead’s direction and lost their labels, they’d be much more profitable
FUCK … FUCK THAT SHTI
FUC KTHE FEDS AND THE GREEDY MUSIC INDUSTRY
[quote comment="193970"]If all bands took Radiohead’s direction and lost their labels, they’d be much more profitable[/quote]
That’s not entirely true. Labels provide needed exposure on a different level than just myspace. Don’t forget that labels are more than simply record sellers.
[quote comment="193718"][quote comment="193695"]Well sucks to be you folks.
I would imagine the authorities could make more money from action against people stupidly using oink than they do from the speed cameras the UK is infested with.
Part of me is hoping all the leechers get busted and part of me is hoping both the leechers *and* the seeders get busted.
I hope you’re all crying to mommy about how you didn’t do anything wrong except download stuff you have no right to download.
rofl.[/quote]
Piss off ass fuck.[/quote]
Good point, idiot. You make it apparent that you have really considered both sides of the argument.
http://www.thespacelab.tv/spaceLAB/2007/10October/MusicNews-26-OiNK.htm
Whats with this shit:
“After a two year investigation, the illegal download torrent OiNK has been raided by the police and Interpol (no, not the band) and shut down. It ends a reign of years of pre-release leaks, video downloads, and access to lots of material that eventually infiltrated a variety of torrents, blogs, and download venues on the web.”
Video downloads? Where do these websites and media outlets get their information from? I’m getting more and more angry the more and more I try to read about the situation.
If any one is curious about how they would go about fucking all of the users (which won’t happen as many people already mentioned due to costs, jurisdictions and time) this is a really good article about how the RIAA fucks the little people. Very informative: http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/08/07/the-riaa-vs-john-doe-a-laypersons-guide-to-filesharing-lawsui/
Hope everything goes well for the guy who ran Oink. It was a fantastic website and I hope he knows how many people are behind him.
Cheers.
I propose that to celebrate free music, music community, and the fact that nothing pulls people together better than a good song we should have some rallies gathering in downtown areas during the afternoon of Halloween, Oct 31st, for a ‘face to face peer to peer’ love in!
Its simple: show up with some CD’s (standard CD or MP3 CD, your choice. I like MP3’s personally) BUT MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT PHYSICALLY LABELED WITH THEIR CONTENTS. Hobnob and find/talk to people who like some of the music you do and trade your mixes! If you want to get nuts about it, write some MP3-filled DVD’s. That’s a crapload of music to share!
I also suggest that in honor of our dearly departed (R.I.P. OiNK) everyone come dressed as a pig. Shouldn’t be too embarrassing since its Halloween, and its not complicated either. Simple costume: color a dixie cup pink, draw two black dots on the bottom, and tie it around your head onto your nose.
Who knows, y’all might even find the event to be a great singles mixer. Anyone got any more specific ideas?
Don’t let the music die!
another allie in the fight has fallen, as we morn its loss, another will pick up the flag and carry on the task set forth.
raise your colours, and stand ready, the final battle approches.
[quote comment="193776"]BURN CD STORES TO MAKE A POINT! WORLDWIDE DESTRUCTION, AND TAKE BACK THE STREETS FROM THESE TYRANTS.[/quote]
soon my friend, not yet, but soon.
[quote comment="193637"]AES encryption is not crackable.. not unless you’ve got a couple of decades to spare but since the password you chose will probably be week or you’ll write it down for someone else to find… well. Read the god damn faq or don’t use it.
But, I guess what someone was trying to say was that no one is gonna raid your house so why encrypt… even though I agree with him all my stuff is encrypted, lol.. I know.[/quote]
Paranoia its not a desease, its a way of life.
[quote comment="194111"]Hope everything goes well for the guy who ran Oink. It was a fantastic website and I hope he knows how many people are behind him.
Cheers.[/quote]
He’ll have plenty of people behind him in jail, don’t worry about that.
o to ( O )
So if they do choose to prosecute some of the users (lets say a few hundred), what kind of upload levels do you think they’ll look for? 100gb? 500gb? 1tb?
I’m not a hacker, but if I was I would be working on shutting down their sites (please).
they actually could have been waited until i downloaded my actual whishlist, motherfuckers. LOL!
the king is dead, log live the king.
[quote comment="194114"]
I also suggest that in honor of our dearly departed (R.I.P. OiNK) everyone come dressed as a pig …. Simple costume: color a dixie cup pink, draw two black dots on the bottom, and tie it around your head onto your nose
[/quote]
LOLOL
im not inspired by the site’s lack of security.
oh.. Sombody hack that gray boring warning site.. and ad a big fat Up-Yours sign.
feel sorry for the admin.
thanx for sharing and good luck!
A criminal investigation continues
LOL.. for people dL bits and peaces from all over the world..
http://www.mininova.org/tor/956968
Oink was a king amongst kings, a true believer of what was good in the world. These corporate suited barstools are making this world a living hell. They will all burn in the war that is coming.
Its time to take up arms and defend the P2P community before its too late and the corporates turn this internet world into an advertising, waste of space.
Oink we love ya, we are sorry to see you go but perhaps the pheonix will now rise and take its rightful place in the P2P heaven.
thats awesome, hope more torrent sites get raided
i guess a someone with a 0:0 ratio has nothing to worry about?
Oink banned me unjustly so I really don’t give a shit about their welfare.
They were a bunch of f()ucking nazis anyhow.
[quote comment="194480"]Oink banned me unjustly so I really don’t give a shit about their welfare.[/quote]
but you were on the site though?
which means you should give a shit as your on the logs.
” Not wanting to start a false rumour or anything but after browsing some IRC channels i noticed a news comment on 1
“as we speak developers are working hard on http://www.moo.me.uk”
keep your eyes open
”
why would they go back to .me.uk? that obviously didn’t work.
I doubt much action will be taken against the users really. The IFPI like to use scare tactics a lot, they’re pretty harmless.
I’ve heard a rumor that the memberlist on oink.cd was heavily encrypted, and was set to selfdestruct if it didn’t reveice a certain “signal” in a certain amount of time.
Is this true?
I hope so…
It might explain why they have used 2 years on the investigation of the site.
Seems like they have monitored the sites traffic, and written down a few names and IPs.. probably the ones uploading pre-release albums and creating lot’s of torrents.
It’s clear that Oink was raided on FALSE CHARGES, whereas the nature of their operations would not allow them to be prosecuted otherwise. I SUGGEST SIR OINK SUE THE IFPI FOR PERPETRATING THE RAID UNDER FALSE ACCUSATIONS!!
LONG LIVE OINK!!! WE’LL BE BACK IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER!!
[quote comment="194509"]I’ve heard a rumor that the memberlist on oink.cd was heavily encrypted, and was set to selfdestruct if it didn’t reveice a certain “signal” in a certain amount of time.
Is this true?
I hope so…
It might explain why they have used 2 years on the investigation of the site.
Seems like they have monitored the sites traffic, and written down a few names and IPs.. probably the ones uploading pre-release albums and creating lot’s of torrents.[/quote]
that’s possible, but self destructing material is a bit 007 to be true. However i would like to know this stuff for sure because this is what i am concerned about.
If owners can’t demonstrate proper security for their users they may end up doing the authorities job for thm!
[quote comment="193623"]@ 78:
Good thing I got a warning on oink.cd for uploading an invalid torrent 3 weeks ago..
The warning got me to use demonoid.com instead until the warning would go away.
I had almost no activities in that period of time.
Let’s hope this thing just goes away..
I’m going to think twice about downloading music again.. Didn’t like this raid on oink.cd.. :([/quote]
Actually, I tell customers all the time about copyright infringement complaints from places like demonoid and piratebay. I have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to avoid these complaints unless you just stop downloading. Let’s just hope these guys dont get any more power than they already have because nobody should get in as much trouble as they do for downloading music. I’d rather not have the most powerful entity in the world being an anti-piracy organization anyway.
what a bloody moron. Jeremy. GO fuck yourself and get your facts straight you fucking ignorant prick.
You didnt have to pay to get on this site. This site was about a community of people who shared with eachother “Based ON PLEASure”!!! It was not a financial operation you fucking idiot. Thanks to OINK, I was able to branch out so much in my tastes, which actually led me to buying more cds of bands i wanted to support and attending more shows. Protecting the artists? Fuck off man, if you think that record companies don’t already screw them in the first place. I will not be buying more cds this way to all the pieces of shit involved in this. You have destroyed something unique and memorable. The age of the record company and the profit driven system you all fucking support so much is coming to an end so why don’t you just stick it up your ass.
and to anyone advertising a new torrent site…shut the fuck up?!!!!!!!!!!! spread this message, SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR FORUM POSTS how do you think they found out about this in the first place? THis needs to be transmitted much more discreetly and carefully so watch your asses!!!! Anyone asking around in forums for invites should be instantly banned.
[quote comment="193592"]As someone who downloaded like 60gigs of music and donated money, and living in a very affluent part of the US (although not affluent themselves), what precautions should they take? What is the chance of them actually being investigated? Is TrueCrypt good enough?[/quote]
Encryption sounds like a good idea at first, but on the long run is useless: at least in one western country (UK), you can now already be be sentenced to prison time if you refuse to hand out the decryption key (i.e., much alike refusing an alcohol test) – and I’d be sure you will not have to wait for long before this law propagates to quite a few others. Although they claim it’s only about catching the usual suspects (terrorist, pedophiles, etc.) I guess this really just sucks – another of these “what the gov always wanted to do but could not SHOCK people into accepting” thing. What we actually need are better camo tools – after all, if there is no data to fuss about, there’s not much to be done for so called “IP” prosecutors…
knew it was too good to last…
Read here:
http://tehpaine.blogspot.com/
One way to fight back:
http://f2fp2p.blogspot.com/
just threw a few bones to oinkybank.com
thespacelab.tv is just another of those major label worshipping sites that truly believe the artists get a fair deal from their “owners”.
quite honestly, if anyone here really believes artists get what they deserve from the labels, they should go read what many of them have to say. small fractions from each CD sale, having to pay the label for unsold CDs, a cut of their merchandise and tour profits demanded now by many labels… and you call the pirates bad?
as long as they have the power, the public brainwashing will continue… but for every site they close, another will take its place.
Sign of things to come? Looks like the self legislation / new laws are just round the corner…
Why has no-one picked up on this?!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7059881.stm
[quote comment="193566"]OINK was an evil pig that deserved to go to the slaughterhouse. They got fat off of donations and whatever else they could root out. OINK was not true P2P. TRue P2P is people sharing, saying what they want without fear, not worrying about BS ratios. There will always bee leechers. The Admins made life HELL. One could get banned for nothing. They had silly rules. For instance, unless you had an avatar of a cutsy utsy stuffed anilmal you were banned! I swear! I hope they ROT in jail and misery for making people live in fear on their site. Be carefull LEROY when you bend over to pickup that bar of soap….hahahah![/quote]
Quit showing your stupidity. I was a memeber for over 2 years and never had an avatar yet never got banned. While at times the moderators made bad decisions, show me one human being that has never made a mistake. I am tired of all the whiners that say how unfair the mods were. I was a member for a long period of time and never had a problem as all I did was to download and then share back to the community. It seems that those that had problems were people who were not able to do such a simple thing. Nobody ever said you had a right to be a member of the site so don’t think that you did. I get so tired of crybabies like yourself that can’t even get the facts straight. No wonder you were banned.
Lets not be in denial here! of course, locating and sorting out the behaviours of 180k of people is not what is the issue here!
they’re using Oink users as scape goats (as they always need scape goats) to creat a precedence to people around the globe!
Lets say around 7% (according to a source from Wiki) is British (and it is under British investigation), which is about 12,000 people; the police can simply create a precedence over time by analyzing the server (which WILL have the suspect IPs) and randomly pick out accountable users here and there!
Maybe it’s important for them to pick out a random minority % of Oink users (even if it was a couple of hundred!) Or, maybe you think they believe the message has sunk in with one arrest? I doubt it!
I believe (unfortunately as it sounds) they WILL arrest people (Higher end users) to create this precedence! I was a low end user! However, I can face facts; that I could be one of the scape goats!! sorry!
piracy always existed and nobody can stop that doesn’t matter what you do. Just think about that, you are outnumbered :):)
Labels may have too much money – but bands deserve to be able to sell their music, and the price they are able to charge for it should reflect how much the market (that’s you) is willing to pay for it – it’s too good to be true for a very good reason, buying music is fair.
Let’s just hope that this all ends up with the labels earning less and the bands earning more, but everyone earning a living doing what they love. Thing is if you remove money from the equation altogether you remove the ability to support yourself and actually be in a band.
So the british press are saying that the authorities are going after the users of the site. I would expect that to mean the ones in the UK. Oh Lummocks!!!
[quote]what a bloody moron. Jeremy. GO fuck yourself and get your facts straight you fucking ignorant prick.
You didnt have to pay to get on this site. This site was about a community of people who shared with eachother “Based ON PLEASure”!!! It was not a financial operation you fucking idiot. Thanks to OINK, I was able to branch out so much in my tastes, which actually led me to buying more cds of bands i wanted to support and attending more shows. Protecting the artists? Fuck off man, if you think that record companies don’t already screw them in the first place. I will not be buying more cds this way to all the pieces of shit involved in this. You have destroyed something unique and memorable. The age of the record company and the profit driven system you all fucking support so much is coming to an end so why don’t you just stick it up your ass.[/quote]
that is the best post i’ve ever read in relation to the oink shutdown, and i could not agree with you more.
Well said :-)
Say. Anyone want to sell an invite?
[quote comment="193566"]OINK was an evil pig that deserved to go to the slaughterhouse. They got fat off of donations and whatever else they could root out. OINK was not true P2P. TRue P2P is people sharing, saying what they want without fear, not worrying about BS ratios. There will always bee leechers. The Admins made life HELL. One could get banned for nothing. They had silly rules. For instance, unless you had an avatar of a cutsy utsy stuffed anilmal you were banned! I swear! I hope they ROT in jail and misery for making people live in fear on their site. Be carefull LEROY when you bend over to pickup that bar of soap….hahahah![/quote]
[quote comment="193373"]Isn’t there a serial killer somewhere that needs to be caught?[/quote]
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