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Paypal Bans Usenet Providers Over Piracy Concerns

After banning several of the largest file-hosting sites, PayPal is now taking aim at Usenet services. The payment processor has just cut off several providers of Usenet services and frozen the funds in their accounts. These actions are due to growing copyright infringement concerns which have resulted in an extremely strict and in some cases privacy-violating set of requirements being laid down by the payment processing company.

paypalPayPal is widely known for their aggressive stance towards BitTorrent sites and file-sharing services, and now this policy has also been actively applied to Usenet providers.

On Tuesday, PayPal cut off its services to five Usenet resellers including XSUsenet, EasyUsenet and Usenet4U, reports the Dutch news site Tweakers. The Usenet providers can no longer accept PayPal payments and the funds that remain in their accounts have been frozen for 180 days.

While this is the first time that we have heard about Usenet providers being banned, the actions don’t come as a complete surprise. To be accepted by PayPal, file-hosting services now have to comply with a list of far-reaching demands entirely targeted at copyright-infringing and otherwise illegal files.

These terms also apply to Newsgroups.


PayPal’s terms

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Several of the disconnected Usenet providers confirm that their accounts were suspended because they violated the above terms. However, at least one of the affected companies said it was never asked for any of the information detailed above, while it clearly indicated that it was operating a Usenet service.

PayPal’s decision is a financial blow to the companies involved. Firstly because customers who prefer to pay through PayPal will take their business elsewhere, and secondly because they lose access to a substantial amount of funds.

TorrentFreak previously reported that several major file-hosting services suffered the same fate as these Usenet providers. Although PayPal was willing to continue doing business with some, the set of demands was too extreme for many file-sharing companies to comply with.

Just how far PayPal is prepared to go was explained to us by Putlocker. The UK-based company had its PayPal account frozen several months ago after it refused to allow the payment provider to snoop on files uploaded by its users.

“They basically wanted access to the backend to monitor all the files being uploaded, and listing all files of users if they wanted, regardless of the privacy setting that the user might have selected,” Putlocker told TorrentFreak.

“This is a complete invasion of privacy on PayPal’s part, as it’s none of their business what files users keep in their account. We have a solid abuse handling policy already, and we don’t feel a 3rd party company has any business snooping on our users,” the company added.

MediaFire, another large cyberlocker, also said it stopped accepting PayPal after the company was unable to reach an agreement with the payment company.

While there are still file-hosting services and Usenet providers that accept PayPal payments, this number is expected to decline further in the months to come. It is clear that PayPal’s new policies are in part the result of the copyright lobby. The question is, where will PayPal draw the line?

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  • gdfTeateam

    PayPal will suck themself just like Google .both are looking customers over time the effect will start to show up

    • EricPost

      They have to answer to their stockholders. They make a boatload of money and why risk paying huge fines for participating in illegal activities, when they can simply do without that kind of business.

      It’s just business. You have to accept a certain amount of risk and PP decided it was too risky.

      This is actually good as it will give other people incentives to open up alternative online pay systems. This means competition for PP and competition is a good thing.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Missing that neither filelockers nor Usenet providers are offering ‘illegal services’, EricPost. It is some of their users that are using them for CIVILLY LIABLE (not illegal in most countries) purposes.

        • joexxx

          Civil liability vs criminal liability vs legal vs illegal are semantics, What’s missing is that none of the entities involved have been judged guilty yet but a relevant court of law.

        • Real Problem

          Meh, the problem isn’t the type of service, it’s the nationality of the service.

          PayPal is AMERICAN.

          You fucks not noticing a pattern yet? AMERICAN = Bad.

          Just boycott the bastards. It’s devastating to them right now, they don’t have two cents to rub together. They’re more broke than all the Spains and Greeces combined.

          So read the label, read the small print, do your research and if it’s USA made or owned, DON’T PAY FOR IT.

          Woop! Woop!

        • Bananas

          it is the same as not processing payments of mail providers, telecom etc any data transmission protocol can be used for illegal purposes.

        • http://twitter.com/HazelPrice17 Hazel Price

          PayPal are scammers. I’ve been scammed myself. . http://youtube.qr.net/jNM0/watch?v=X22QHxrwp_E

        • Zzz

          Agreed! Boycott America. They have used economics to force shitty laws on the rest of the world for years, so lets use economics to f**k them back. This is the first civil world war – economic information warfare.

        • Do_It

          This article can give you a clue about
          how to cause the downfall of US empire:

          http://falkvinge.net/2012/10/06/the-us-invaded-iraq-because-it-wouldnt-have-survived-otherwise/

          But once again, that’s on hands of politicians in the rest of world.

      • John Doe

        One good competitor is Alert pay (now payza). They are a UK-based company, and they provide a similar service without all the bullshit.

        I personally stopped using PayPal after reading a confession of an employee. Apparently they have a computer that they call “the brain” that has the rather dubious job of trying to find accounts that have a lot of money contained within, that also have the potential to be frozen. When such an account is found, it is handed over to an investigator who tries to find any reason they can to freeze the assets within the account.

        Once they fine one minor breach of their terms of service, they freeze the account and keep the money within it. The main reason that they get away with this is because they say that they can do this at any time within the terms and conditions, and PayPal is not actually held by the regulations of any banking authority. This basically means that any money held within PayPal’s servers belongs to them, and they can decide to snatch it off you at any moment in time.

        PayPal is a very evil company that should be avoided at all costs.

        • Anon

          links or gtfo

        • Swartz

          People Think about . DONT use any USA services , DONT buy any USA products , DONT go there (you will have nothing to see – just a culture of junk and consumerism , a culture of modern slaves , of manipulation and lies ) – Boycott all – becouse boycott is the solution at this problem – think about without your money they will not have money , without money they will not have power (to bribe corrupted politicians, to pay hoardes of lobbysts , lawyers , to pay all of these shit human parasites ) so if your rights and freedom is take away from these corporations – like Google, troll copyrights , internet service providers etc-
          Stop use them, stop buy their shitty products ! just open your eyes and you will see always will find a good alternative near by
          Remember always their power call fuckin money is in your pocket , and always they will manipulate , foolish you to give them this power , they use this power to enslave and foolish more people , this pyramidal system, consumerism is build to control and manipulate people , this is run by greedy malicious people

          Thats why they foolish you to want more and more , to desire more shits becouse in that way you will be a part of system , you will be a slave which is controled and manipulated ,for this they use lies , they develop your greed , that greed will foolish you , your greed will take your mind control , will makes you to think like masters of greed want , so they use your greed to enslaving you

          Thats why bankers makes to get their money becouse once you get it ,you loose your freedom , you will be a slave wich will work for them , but they lie and foolish you to belive they helping you to get a home , a car, etc etc in fact they enslaving you and get control

          Thats why corporations use advertising , pub tv – in fact an agressive form of manipulation – to wash your brain to desire and buy more shit ,low quality useless addictive products – in time you will work form them in same way , you will be enlaved by your addiction at these new shits, you will work to have money and buy their new trend shits

          Thats how this system of wasting , consumerism works – anything and everything is for sale ,becouse only fuking god of this system matters – call money

          Remember stop buy useless , stop to develop addictions , boycott them and you will see if enough people will do the same thing they will fail – so spred this , open eyes to others and explain how this dirty system (who claim want all goods for people) work if you want to change this shit in some day

        • Uhhuh

          Anon 8 hours ago in reply to John Doe
          research paypal online and you will see, I have done so and so has op

        • Bananas

          PayPal are scammers. I’ve been scammed myself.

        • Guest321

          What a big load of tripe if I ever heard one. Completely baseless accusation. Even when Paypal freezes an account, they never steal the money in the account as the funds can always be retrieved after 180 days. Of course they have investigators and abuse team to find accounts with breach of TOS. What company doesn’t? But the part about stealing money is BS.

          Of course nobody says anything about the countless times Paypal has helped customers recover money after getting scammed by fraudsters lurking all over the Internet. I myself have been helped numerous times by Paypal when I otherwise would have been a sitting duck since I pay with debit cards and banks don’t offer any protection on them.

        • Rohan

          They can freeze it up to 180 days, which means the have money for six month they can use to “invest” and have “sure cash” for their own financial obligations
          but they don’t need to pay interest. This is truly astounding.

          I have yet to find a documented case where they really KEPT the money. In many many many reports I see it always resolves that they release the money after 180 days – which can be problematic for “”those”" who use this money to pay their rent.

          I know people who use Paypal professionally, and they say that their account never got completely frozen. Just single transactions. For them, Paypal is the best thing to do global business. They hear the stories, but it never affects them.

          If you look at the volume of daily transactions, the amount of truly new stories are interestingly low. Even a quick google search doesn’t bring up the depth or occurrence of “malpractice” some people are claiming.

    • Guess

      actualy wondering how paypals terms comply with various EU data protection laws….

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        I find no way in which they could. Then again, not being based in the EU they certainly aren’t compelled to abide by EU law.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Already happened. There are about half a dozen to a dozen online-based payment providers which have been nibbling at Paypal’s heels for years.

      The only reason paypal still has customer’s at all is because they are better known. So far. But their policies have certainly ensured people are now looking for alternatives.

    • Say no to PayPal

      I don’t know, but nothing PayPal has done in the past make me want to use them. And they clearly want to use their money power to censor the internet. I would advise not to use them.

  • Me_Again

    These moves are being made illegal so just another successful attempt at showing how fascist they are.

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Yup, very true!!
      These actions by PayPal are unlawful and in clear breach of a variety of laws, Directives and even Article 12 of the United Nations’ Universal Declaration of Human Rights -

      “No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.”
      http://unudhr.webs.com/

      • Whatever

        It’s not even within those stupid DMCA rules.

        There exists a rule/law in the Netherlands that any unreasonable terms will be void and can be ignored (if it goes to court the judge has to agree ofcourse).

        It would surely apply here.

        • EricPost

          The UN Declarations are not laws just suggestions. No one says you have to do the minimum. I don’t agree with PP actions, but I see their point. They have stockholders to answer to. If you held stock you’d feel the same way. Principles are fine but not when you have millions riding on them. It’s safer to just do away with any risks too far out there.

          Trust me, if PP thought the risk was less than the fines and bad press, they’d be taking the business

        • Colin Carr

          But I bet Paypal’s ToS say that all legal disputes shall be resolved according to the law of California (or whichever state they are based in). That way, the sneaky sods get to trump law.

        • Camilo

          @EricPost are you trolling us or what?

          “Principles are fine but not when you have millions riding on them.”

          What kind of human being you think you are if you think like that?

        • Tigranspetrosian

          @Eric “I am paid to troll” Post

          FUCK OFF Grandma.

        • http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ???

          @colin carr

          Paypal europe

          >an acceptable court would be a court located in England

  • Himpulat

    In Finland we have this thing called “Reilu meininki” where we, the users (of a private bittorrent tracker) pay the for the server together by direct bank transfer to the provider, if someone sends 100€ it gets paid for a month or so, has worked for years this way.

    Who still uses usenet?

    • Userl

      People with any kind of brain. It’s the uploading that screws you over. Don’t have to with usenet.

      • http://twitter.com/the_nell_87 Neil Hill

        Indeed. Downloading over bittorrent is more illegal in most countries, because you cannot download without also uploading. Downloading from a file locker or usenet provider is legal in many countries, and unenforced in most other countries, where they tend to go after uploaders.

      • Gargamel

        People with brains don’t pay for warez dipshit.

        • good deal

          i pay 10 euro a month and full speed with no upload. its good deal because 1 game is about 50 euro in my country. so 10 euro gets me a lot of all kind of shit. im happy for 10 euro a month.

      • polsenpol

        What you mean to say is that YOU don’t have to upload anything .
        Someone else did that, now you can just leech without giving a damn byte back!

        How much brains does it take to figure out that if nobody uploads, there is NOTHING to download ??

        • Juchmis

          The uploaders are secure.

        • Guest321

          They are not real file sharers. They are what you call leechers. They want to take everything but not give anything back.

  • http://theupwind.blogspot.com HostFat

    Thank you PayPal :) Now everyone, go Bitcoin!! ;D

    • EricPost

      Bitcoin is a cool idea but still far and I mean FAR too complex for most people. Add to that the extremely bad press for getting your account hacked and losing your bitcoins.

      Good idea but it’s still far too soon to count them as a player. Hopefully that will change.

      • Ubuntu

        ‘…FAR too complex for most people’

        Er… no.

        Here are some links

        http://www.weusecoins.com/

        http://www.weusecoins.com/gett

        ‘Add to that the extremely bad press for getting your account hacked and losing your bitcoins’

        Yes, extremely bad press, most of it bullshit to put people off using it. Fortunately, securing your wallet can be quite simple though.

        https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sec

        Instead of coming up with negatives, why not extend your hand of communal friendship and help to educate others :)

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Yes and no. Bitcoins is fairly simple and once you tell people your bitcoin “account” is like the money under the mattress – that you can keep it on a USB stick in a drawer – they know how to handle it. Aside from transactions taking part online, Bitcoin is, from a practical view, much like a solid physically handled currency in that regard.

        That actually makes it far simpler than owning a credit card and hashing out the details of where you leave yourself open to risk. To say nothing of owning stock.

        Will bitcoin become a player? Assuming that Mastercard, Visa and Paypal go on as they have they will be replaced by similar services without such restrictions. The clincher would be if an act such as SOPA/PIPA went through and assigned culpability to the payment provider. In which case the market would be wide open for Bitcoin.

      • drrr

        Anyone who can figure out usenet can figure out bitcoin. It’s not rocket science.

    • 0omg

      bitcoin leave traces of every transaction and every wallet users ….. not really a option in a anonymous way of dealing vs the copyright troll

      so bitcoin is fail for p2p and sharing

      • austinhamman

        every transaction: yes
        every user: no
        bitcoin has no means of associating YOU the use to your wallet. a simple bitcoin shuffler works pretty well to when privacy is an issue (some wallet programs have a built in shuffler. it basically takes your coins, mixes them with a pot of other peoples coins and gives you back new coins of equal value)
        compared to something like paypal which keeps track of the USER, his name, address, social security number, password, and a huge list of other things, as well as every purchase you have made and will make that data available to whoever they want without your say.
        bitcoin is a noticeable improvement.

      • http://theupwind.blogspot.com HostFat

        https://blockchain.info/wallet/send-anonymously

        and there will be p2p alternative ;)

      • blippyblip

        There’s a reason why the blackmarket has been using it successfully for years now… the only “fail” is you’re understanding of how bitcoin works.

  • Gee

    Melody Fry — PayPal Legal/Public Relations — melody.fry@paypal.com
    David Marcus — President — david.marcus@paypal.com
    Ranjana Clark — Senior VP, Chief Customer and Marketing Officer — ranjana.clark@paypal.com
    Patrick Dupuis — Chief Financial Officer — patrick.dupuis@paypal.com, pdupuis@paypal.com
    Mark Lavelle — Senior VP — mark.lavelle@paypal.com, mlavelle@paypal.com
    John McCabe — Senior VP of Worldwide Operations — john.mccabe@paypal.com, jmccabe@paypal.com
    John D. Muller — Vice President of Legal, General Counsel — john.muller@paypal.com, jmuller@paypal.com
    Leonard Shen — Chief Compliance Officer — leonard.shen@paypal.com

    • Anon1

      Spam ALL the douches!

  • Halloway

    The irony being that I can go onto eBay and purchase any number of bootleg CDs using PayPal.

    • joexxx

      Why leave a money trail when you can do the same through torrent or other free means?
      PayPal is shooting themselves in the foot.

    • EricPost

      It’s apples and oranges. Bootleg CDs are like when a B&M store has a sidewalk sale. Sure they lose a few items to shrinkage, but it’s not a lot and they gain more sales through the exposure.

      File sharing is the “gorilla” behind the petty thieves. In business you accept a certain amount of shrinkage and write it into your budget. That is what these bootleg CDs are.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        You kidding, EricPost? You sound a lot like the known insane duo of Anon and Net.

      • Hghghg

        You’re a fuckin nutjob eric,you talk a lot of shite consistently.

  • Fkingdoms

    We already knew paypal sucked, right? Let’s hope it’s a nail in their coffin.

  • s4m20

    Bitcoin it is then :)

  • KrackOrJacK

    I’ve been a Paypal user for years. But this was the last straw. I’ve just closed my Paypal account for good.

    Any retailers that provide no alternative to Paypal will just have to loose my business.

  • CCIFan

    Hey Europe! How about Banning Ebay/Paypal from operating there? That should get them to change their minds

  • Anonymous

    read earlier where the EU is now going to initiate regulation because the various credit card companies, as well as PayPal stopped payments being made/transferred to Wikileaks. i would strongly suggest PayPal rethinks what it is doing here before it finds itself in shit deeper than it can get itself out of!!

    h**p://falkvinge.net/2012/11/20/europarliament-scolds-visa-mastercard-paypal-for-killing-wikileaks-donations-initiates-regulation/

    • Camilo

      Link’s kaput.

      • Guest

        he did it on purpose

  • Nono

    Not accepting further donations to the Usenet provider is one thing, not allowing them to access the donations they’ve already received is another, but not even returning the donations to the users who made them is something everyone should be pissed off about.

    We want to donate money to the providers, if Paypal don’t want to do this, then give the money back to us. Paypal are supposed to be a trusted third party in this, the intermediary keeping the money seems to me like stealing, plain and simple.

    • Whatever

      The (seperate) EU countries should strip paypal from its bank status they received in 2007.

      Paypal must act as a real bank to have that status. I wonder if any national government or national bank if made aware of this would do the right thing.

      The weird thing is that paypal will have no difficulties with anyone donating to Breivik.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        The senior Pirate Party EU-parlament member just managed to finagle a few paragraphs regarding “neutral conditions” for payment providers and banks into a statement by the parliament…not law as of yet, but in principle the EU-parliament are now agreed that payment providers must fulfill their obligations to their customers unless expressly forbidden to do so by law.

        Best thing I ever did was voting “pirate” – for once I’m getting my tax dollars worth out of my employees.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5DBVEMVPCVR43D6ZYSH43UYLZE Victor

      Well then that’s when you go to your credit card company and dispute the charge made to PayPal. The credit card company usually takes your side unless you have been abusing the disputing process which they can quickly catch on to.

      • leexgx

        problem is then they lock your paypal account until you put money back in to get rid of the negative funds and your ebay account may also get locked as well,

        make an new account will not work unless it is at some one els house and to add to that any one els at that house address who has an paypal account will also get there account locked until the money is put back on the account that got reverse charged

    • joexxx

      PayPal proved they can’t be trusted a LONG time ago.
      If you still trust PayPal, you’re sucker.

  • http://techfleece.com/ Richard Gailey

    The European parliament is now looking into PayPal, Via and MasterCard regarding the way they block sites from using their services to transfer payments.
    I really hope that the rest of the world follows suit and something is actually done about this financial cartel of online payment transfer agents.

    http://falkvinge.net/2012/11/20/europarliament-scolds-visa-mastercard-paypal-for-killing-wikileaks-donations-initiates-regulation/

    • joexxx

      Hmm… the best way to punish them is to stop using them. Market is the best judge, jury, and executioner!

      • Violated0

        That does not work well for PayPal when they are very buyer biased which makes them screw over sellers. The catch is even if sellers hate PayPal they still need to use them when that is where the buyers are.

        The truth is that PayPal needs to be regulated like a bank and in that regard they are several years overdue.

        To truly understand PayPal then most years in January their service overloads and malfunctions resulting in some loss of funds. I have documented this flaw for at two years but it has happened more often.

  • Anyone

    we really need a better paypal alternative, they have way too much power currently
    bitcoins are not accepted enough, and they are basically another currency, so they fluctuate and complicate things

    • Herp Derp

      how about trading food for every day items? Oh wait every one thinks that is a hippie way of living.

      I wonder if Indians traded goods among each other.

      • Glib

        So, I buy a laptop with like 4000 lb of grain? That sounds realistic and logical.

        What work well when you can physically see someone is wholly different once you need to use the Internet. It’s not like people are going to the local market and buying organic fruit with their Paypal money.

    • Guest

      sagepay

    • glomzz

      What about food stamps? :-P

  • Gmail

    If you can’t agree to their terms, then don’t use it. Simple really…

    • Anonymous

      that’s fine saying that but PayPal has this habit of changing the rules after the service has been used. like that, it gets to keep the money for a period of time and gain the interest while those that should have received the donations or whatever and the interest have nothing. that should be classed as theft or at least withholding monies under false pretenses!

      • Gmail

        Then you need to keep updated with their terms of service and if you then can’t abide by them, stop using it and remove the money in your account.

        These website owners should already know not to keep a lot of money in their PayPal accounts. Enough to pay a month or two at most. It is the website owners fault, not PayPal.

        Just like files on a server, it is not physical and so holds no value. Keep it physical and you can keep control of it.

        • Guest

          I just had my account blocked, provided all the info they anted and they still blocked it due to risk of customers asking for refunds. I have had this account for 5 years and no customer has ever asked for a refund. Maybe 1 or 2 have asked but the situation was resolved.

          So I gave my info then they blocked it more, now i have to wait 180 days for the money in there. + I called them and they said once u fail the test u can’t re take or do anything to unblock it. Seems really un fair.

    • Violated0

      It is not that simple.

      First is that to comply with PayPal terms would break the law and no company would make themselves liable in this way.

      Second would be that about 95% of the population are PayPal junkies and when they pay for goods it is PayPal, PayPal and PayPal again. In fact a business usually loves any customer who does not use PayPal but that does not mean a business would voluntarily cut off 95% of their income. Think of the bills, the wages, the rent, due taxes, needed stock, when what you say is attempted business suicide.

      • Gmail

        Then maybe your website needs to abide by PayPal’s rules if you want to accept money through them.

        • Anyone

          abiding by those rules is illegal in most countries

        • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

          I agree with you 100%; but, only to the extent that what customers are facing across the aisle is NOT a legislatively protected monopoly supplier.

          Why?

          Because there’s no justification for any market dominant supplier to be allowed to dictate its customer’s non-transactional interests (their civil or constitutional rights; their due process prerogatives; their preferences and activities beyond the immediate transaction) through imposed Commercial TOSs.

          Get rid of the market controls; and, as customers, we’ll take care of the rest….

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        You sound like PayPal owns this 95% dominance like a permanent deeded trust…. I take your point that it’s a difficult advantage to overcome; but, PayPal CAN squander it; and, lose it…..Can’t they? It’s up to users and competitors to do the right things to put them out of their misery.

        As users, we’re looking for better treatment all the time.

        Does better competition exist? We’ll go there!

        Simple as that!

        It may take time; but, our most important economic challenge as customers, is to make sure that every arrogant supplier who thinks they’re more important than we are ends up looking in the mirror and seeing their only customer.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      In a really competitive, non-monopoly environment no rational company would dare take this pose before customers: No sir!
      This attitude is probably the most important proof that we need to abolish copyright law and get busy breaking up monopolies.

      Both as citizens and customers, we will live more safely and more affluently when we can tell suppliers “it’s our way or the highway!”….”Take it or leave it!” “If you don’t like my money, I’ll go elsewhere!” …

      Oh Yes! They’ll moan!

      But that no reason to let them keep their monopoly titty……

  • Guest

    Buh Bye GayPal, this is really the last straw.

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  • Ggaustac

    They can pull this kind of sh1t because they have the monopoly.

    There’s plenty of room for more paypal style services.

    Any well known and trusted individual interseted? xD

    • Globefriends

      Ok under-construction now ill keep you all posted :)

  • BankersOrWankers

    Funny how banks and payment providers are judge, jury and executioner when it doesn’t involve their own corruption.

    • Violated0

      True but as I said before PayPal security is so shit that PayPal can never stop anyone from using them.

      All these services need to do is to set up a little front company with their own very basic website. Open a new PayPal account for that company and have one of your most trusted employees do bank and card links.

      Then your main company when someone wants to pay can easily bounce them to the front company, without the user even seeing, then straight on to the PayPal payment gateway.

      This always wins when PayPal never has the time and resources to investigate some site code to see what is going on. Even in the rare case they do shut you down you can just return and open more and more PayPal accounts. It is usually best for a business anyway to keep a main account and two backup accounts for easy switch if a problem does turn up.

      So while PayPal likes to act big and mighty their service is a sieve and they can never stop anyone from using their service.

      • Uhhuh

        yes some companies have done this but it was short lived then outsouced their subscriptions and now their paypal links do not work anymore either. Also this is how the fbi cought people buying child art of ls after individuals were cought the first time, a second set of ppl set up sites and rotated the paypal accounts. They were selling ls art and fbi does not like art and arrested them and they got prison time. I did hear thought that originally that in the countries they operated from, the law said it was legal so they got them on money racketeering instead. On the orig red lagoon , the owner was 13 years and had his friends in neighbors do shoots for him. Somehow it got 4 ppl like 5 million fine because everyone wanted cpu when the internet was first created and like every website had it on it. Big bad us govt said no we have to make this for businesses, we are targeting model sites, then cpu sites. they fell, later tpb fell from their model sites which was a slap in the face for freedom

        • Violated0

          You seem to overlook that these Usenet services are doing nothing unlawful when this is only a bitch fight with PayPal due to their demand that PayPal gets to sit on your board of directors and bans you if denied.

  • Guest

    Call for coders: work on RetroShare, GNUNet, FreeNet, and Bitcoin, etc.

  • henreeG

    Fuck paypal… I use WePay.
    I’m using it as an alternative- fuck you paypal!

    • RoestVrijStaal

      WePay is also based in the USA. Guess what will happen when everyone shifts to WePay?

      • henreeG

        with the hopes of paypal dying, WePay will suffer the same future if they decide to be dicks. then on to the next service.
        fml

      • Wwehyidgwe

        Bitcoins

    • Alcatelmm

      MAN YOU RIGHT FUCK PAYPAL I REMEMBER ( YEARS AGO PAYPAL SENDING ME EMAILS TO REGISTER AND USE PAYPAL BUT FROM WHERE PAYPAL WAS TAKEN MY EMAIL ? aa and now ? i tink paypal is stupid dont know in the next years allot of payments websites grow up and take down paypal look skrill who is using skril only websites in the next 3 years is down like others sapay payu epayment payza etc…

  • http://twitter.com/JerkfaceMcGee Jerkface McGee

    lol. i used to pay usenetserver with paypal because their cc option always double charged me. i suppose i’ll have to find another way.

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  • PAYPALFAILSAGAIN

    And what can you do against such a giant like Paypal? Absolutely nothing.

    Paypal loses out on this business. Perhaps Google will have a better eye at scooping some of those customers up.

    • joexxx

      A lot. Customers have the ultimate power of the purse.
      Stop using PayPal.

      • Cheesethief

        Yeah, just need 100 million people to join in the crusade!

      • PAYPALFAILSAGAIN

        We don’t make a difference. People are not aware of Paypal’s tactics. You can’t switch a lot of users from not using Paypal when most places offer this…

  • QuickerSupport.wordpress.com

    lol my santander bank account froze all my money because i paid for a CD in a shop and used them… oh wait… no they didn’t because their a BANK and it has nothing what so ever to do with a BANK who i pay or what i use my money to pay for haha

  • anony

    f*ck paypal jst closed my account and sent an email telling them wot i think of their fckn company

  • Syndrome

    Hahahaha! Paypal is crap!
    Fucking pahypal! haha fuck fuck paypal!
    LOl paypal! motherfuck!

  • Naneieghamar

    I really appreciate TF posting this article, Paypal hit their lowest traffic rank in two years (check alexa) after they started banning file lockers and I doubt this affects their situation to the better.
    When in US, copyright infringer get heavier sentences than murderers and drug dealers, one can’t help but also expect their payment processors like Paypal, who don’t even deal with real money, start acting like the internet police.
    It’s funny though, apparently Paypal had been being run by a bunch of monkeys until a few months ago because they didn’t know what filelockers and usenet providers, etc, with whom they had been working for years, actually did and people like AdultKing had to tell them.
    I wonder what is next… Maybe porn producers trying to teach other people morals? Oh wait, AdultKing is already doing that. Maybe it’s time for drug dealers to do the same? After all, what they do is pretty much the same as porn producers, i.e., they addict people to the most useless of things and think what they do is art…

    P.S. There is a good side to this story: Usenet providers were practically “selling” what is free and their users were buying it, the less we see of both parties, the better.

    • Anyone

      Usenet provider sell a service that people want
      that service is not free ;)

      • Anonymous

        But now using GayPal is not an option!

        Just pay them with your CC details. If you have chosen a usenet provider which doesn’t log what you read, then it’s not a problem!

        • Gee

          Or join the 21st century and use a prepaid credit card

        • Anonymous

          @Gee

          I’m not sure how popular those are, but I wouldn’t say they that popular, otherwise why don’t people use them? if they anonymous as well, all the better!

        • Gee

          I’m not sure why people don’t use them, but I do.
          You can buy them online, but here in Canada I buy mine, it’s called a vanilla mastercard, at the gas station with cash.

        • Techanon

          @Gee: I would like to use them prepaid credit cards, unfortunately they aren’t available in my country… One bank talked about releasing one years ago… but it seems to have pulled back on it. :(

  • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

    How long before Obama appoints an unelected “Internet Czar” to sheriff the ‘net?

    • 3di87wqg

      JFK.
      Nuff said

  • joexxx

    Paypal better stick to dealing with problems they already have instead playing a vice cop!

  • joexxx

    Time for PayPal to go out of business.

    • Cheesethief

      Yeah, good luck with that matey

  • Whatever

    They will lose more business than they bargained for.

    Who in their right mind is going to let some Paypal intern snif around in their (business or private alike) systems ?

  • Who

    LOL apparently PayPal don’t know about there competition. so they put even more restrictions on there costumers.

  • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

    The Paypal demands to comply with are quite reasonable.

    • Fredrika

      > “The Paypal demands to comply with are quite reasonable.”

      Did you misspell that sentence? Did you mean to write The Paypal demands to comply with are quite unreasonable?

      Or why do you believe it to be reasonable? What actual basis or line of reasoning do you use to come to this conclusion? Do you even know what arguing means? Do you not believe in arguing, or explaining your claims?

      • Gee

        C’mon guys, I know Nejtillpirater hasn’t been that active around here lately but don’t forget he’s just trolling you.

        Hey Nejtillpirater, do you go by the name out_of_the_blue by any chance?

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          I’m not trolling. Remember that the opinions in majority here actually represent a minority of the whole population. E.g. in Sweden only 0.65% voted for the Swedish Pirate Party.

        • Fredrika

          > “I’m not trolling.”

          Making claims, and never ever backing them up with actual arguments or any line of sustainable reasoning based on actual verifiable numbers or facts, is by definition trolling.

          Did you not know this? Do you not understand that every single comment you write constitutes trolling by the exact definition of the word? Are you really that ignorant, or are you just lying about being that ignorant?

          > “Remember that the opinions in majority here actually represent a minority of the whole population. E.g. in Sweden only 0.65% voted for the Swedish Pirate Party.”

          No. It does not. It’s fully possible for an entire population to agree with a certain opinion, such as the one’s the political pirates have, but still vote for another party, because they think their key issues are more important.

          Do you not understand this simple logical fact? Is simple logics to much for you?

          However, luckily for you, since you can’t grasp logics on your own, there actually does exists hard numbers of the opinions of the Swedes regarding the copyright monopoly, and as you very well know, a growing majority of Sweden’s population believe that regular non-profit filesharing should be legalized.

        • Gee

          Really? because according to the official election results they got 7.13%, with a 45% voter turnout.

          http://www.val.se/val/ep2009/slutresultat/rike/index.html

        • Gee

          Ahh I see know, 7.13% was to the European parliament for Sweden, 0.65% is from the Swedish General election.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          @Gee

          “Really? because according to the official election results they got 7.13%, with a 45% voter turnout.”

          2009 Yes, but in the last election 2010 only 0.65%

          http://www.val.se/val/val2010/slutresultat/R/rike/index.html

        • Fredrika

          > “2009 Yes, but in the last election 2010 only 0.65%”

          Which still doesn’t say anything about the opinions you referred to, because as i just explained to you, an entire country’s population can have the same opinion as the Pirate Party and the majority of the people visiting Torrentfreak, but still vote for another party.

          Do you understand that simple logical fact? Yes or no?

        • Anon

          What’s most interesting here is that the pirates are openly complaining a legit service like PayPal won’t facilitate illegit activity. Gee. Imagine that. As if your privacy used to mask unlawful infringement is more important to a corporation than their clean and timely cooperation with law and law enforcement. Piracy and pirates are scum. Watch the entire world shrink away from you in time.

          I can’t WAIT until “unstoppable” law breaking infringement comes mainstream and hits mainstream/global/governmental law enforcement and pirates start bitching even louder that the sites keeping getting shut down, that the paysites keep abandoning you, that so called “innovators” like Ninja and DotCom keep being raided and apprehended and convicted and put into jail, and that their “unstoppable” piracy keeps compelling a further erosion of our rights. It gets no better than watching this!

          This is better than Hollywood seeing Hana Beshara lose 22 months of her life to facilitating movie piracy. Good old fashioned, standard-practice law enforcement being castigated on TF as if it’s fascism on the digital half shell. lol

          :-D

          more popcorn.

        • Fredrika

          > “What’s most interesting here is that the pirates are openly complaining a legit service like PayPal won’t facilitate illegit activity.”

          Remind me, exactly what court have proven that those of Paypal’s customers that had their accounts frozen have violated any laws within the jurisdiction they operate?

        • Anon

          lmao

          This is like complaining that after receiving a speeding ticket you are INNOCENT goddamnit! and it’s fascism that you have to answer the summons! show up for a court date?? WHAT?? provide for a defense, even grant the speeding summons any respect at all!! WHAT?? Fascism!!
          WHERE is DUE PROCESS???
          lol
          Keep this line of thinking up, Fredrika. We love it. There’s a cell right next to Beshara and she could use the company about now. lol

        • Anyone

          so where was the trial in this case, Anon?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Anon

          “This is like complaining that after receiving a speeding ticket you are INNOCENT goddamnit!…”

          If General motors suddenly send you a speeding ticket it is duly noted that you will pay it without complaint. Since a 3rd party has said you are guilty they are now allowed to impound your car. In your mind.

          A sane man might go and ask whether Paypal should be allowed to – on their own cognizance – use their ToS to impound the money sent by and to 3rd parties, but then again, “sane” does not apparently begin to describe you.

          I’ll tell you what just happened. Paypal lost even more customers to payment providers willing and able to wait for court orders before freezing accounts of their clients. Last time I counted there were about a dozen of them, steadily growing in leaps and bounds. This in a market where Paypal, being the first, could have retained near monopoly.

          So once again you declare “VICTORY” when what happened was, in reality, one more lost battle for your side. You should make “Baghdad Bob” your official nickname.

          By the way? That yellow stuff you are eating has legs. I doubt it’s popcorn.

        • Dirty_Bear

          “Remember that the opinions in majority here actually represent a minority of the whole population.”

          Yup, I think that is a fact that many here really don’t understand. This survey actually paints a similar picture. There may be a lot of pirates but there are very few heavy pirates that support piracy or that think that it is ethical (the torrentfreak variety).

          “What People Say They Should be Able to Do”
          http://piracy.americanassembly.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/AA-Research-Note-Infringement-and-Enforcement-November-2011.pdf

      • Givethemthereasons

        You need smashing in the face with a baseball bat with nails in it.

    • Anyone

      lol

    • Anonymous

      Are you off your meds? Paypal demands would open them and anyone who complies with the demands to liability.

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        What’s wrong with liability?

        • Anyone

          you never heard of privacy laws?

        • Fredrika

          > “you never heard of privacy laws?”

          NoToPeopleThatDisagrees has on several occasions declared that he believes himself to be above the law and due process, he advocates reversed burden of proof, assumption of innocence is a concept that has no place in his mind, and he opposes privacy and other human rights, so privacy laws obviously have no place in his warped reality.

        • Fredrika

          > “What’s wrong with liability?”

          Did you not understand the sentence you responded to, and which party it was that would open themselves up to liability, and for what? Please ask for help if reading is a problem.

          Meeting Paypal’s demands would mean that the Paypal’s customer would violate privacy laws(by meeting the demands) and the legal rights of their customers, which would open them up to liability from their customers and the authorities.

          Do you understand now? Or what can we do to help you? Maybe you need to read it it in another language to understand?

        • Techanon

          It’s not the kind of liability you are imagining. You might be at the impression that PAYPAL is fighting piracy with that aggressive demands but let me remind you that uploads to cyber-lockers only become piracy (as in ‘unlicensed distribution of copyrighted material’) once the link to the uploaded file becomes public.
          Scanning private uploads with no public download links doesn’t do anything against piracy and everything against privacy and fair use.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Liability as in “A bank which insists on keeping tabs on how and where you spend your cash? And decides to keep your money if it doesn’t agree – in it’s personal opinion – with your spending habits”?

          Most people see something wrong with this line of thought, but apparently, you aren’t on the “sane” part of the bell curve.

    • Emilio Barzini

      “If you want to have a business relation, you must ensure that any business partner will obey the law.”

      Hey Buddy! Don’t FUCK with US CAPITALISM.

      Feakin Commie Bastard!

    • joexxx

      Hmm… Paypal should leave the judge and jury part to the authorities charged with such responsibilities.
      In this case any partner of Paypal should demand the same from paypal to make sure that Paypal obeys the law.

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        Any serious company must make their own decisions to reduce the risk of ending up in court.

        • Anyone

          yes, like moving out of the US and start ignoring the MAFIAA
          if you give in to their demands you will still get sued, like MegaUpload

          the US is crippling an entire growing industry just to try and “save” an obsolete industry

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          “yes, like moving out of the US and start ignoring the MAFIAA
          if you give in to their demands you will still get sued, like MegaUpload”

          MegaUpload did not give in to any demands, they just put up a facade.

        • Fredrika

          > “MegaUpload did not give in to any demands, they just put up a facade.”

          This accusation has not been proven in any court where Megaupload has had their legal right to respond to the accusations, now has it?????

          Do you have a problem with due process? Is a mere accusation the same thing as proven guilt in your book?

        • Anyone

          MegaUpload followed the DMCA and even gave some studios direct access
          that went above and beyond the law

          and look what that got them

          the best course of action is to tell the MAFIAA to stuff it and move to a more civilized country

        • Fredrika

          > “Any serious company must make their own decisions to reduce the risk of ending up in court.”

          Possibly, but that’s not what you are saying, now is it? Please try to follow the actual argumentative thread that you yourself started, ok?

          You are clearly saying that it’s reasonable of Paypal to force their customers to —> violate privacy laws <— to fulfil the personal and subjective taste of Paypal and you yourself.

          Why do you believe that it’s reasonable to violate privacy laws just to pleasure your subjective lusts?

          Why do you find criminality and violation of privacy laws to be reasonable? Is the question simple enough for you? Or do i have to repeat it again? Maybe in another language? I strongly encourage you to ask for help if you don’t understand without it.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          @Anyone

          “MegaUpload followed the DMCA”

          They did not, only a facade.

        • Fredrika

          > “They did not, only a facade.”

          Remind me, when was this allegation proven in a court where Megaupload had their chance to meet the accusers?

          Oh, it hasn’t happened yet?

          So again, you had nothing other than slander?

        • Anyone

          they deleted the links to the infringing files, as required by the DMCA

          that other people had the same file doesn’t matter, how should MegaUpload know if they are also infringing?

        • Anon

          @ anyone.

          “the US is crippling an entire growing industry just to try and “save” an obsolete industry”

          Actually, it’s not the US but every government and every country with a burgeoning digital industry.

          The recording industry is tiny, just the canary in the coal mine, and what the world is actually doing is saying to pirates that products and merchandise, any at all in every industrial/creative endeavor and intended for licence or sale in a digital format is going to be protected as property.

          I suspect government’s will do through sheer force whatever piracy compels to regain price where value lies. if they don’t, what’s next? Design? ALL design? Pharma formulas? Aerospace? Is everything digital, regardless of investment or intent to go free by pirate standards? WHY DO YOU THINK SO FEW JOIN THE PARTY AFTER SO MANY YEARS? You are utter fools.

          If we let music go free to piracy, should we let entire countries like Sweden and France literally lose their aerospace industry because the designs happen to be digital and thus can be pirated? Is that a “marketplace” to you?

          Pirates don’t think very deeply about any of this. It’s why DotCom was raided in the first place. It’s why Beshara is in jail. You’ll be next. We hope. lol

        • Anyone

          “Design? ALL design? Pharma formulas? Aerospace? Is everything digital, regardless of investment or intent to go free by pirate standards?”

          yes
          that should all be free, for anyone to copy if they so desire

          the only “copyright” that should remain is trademark, so that you know what you are buying and are not tricked to buy knockoffs of lesser quality

          there have been studies that show that patents are stifling progress and hurting consumers, but of course you choose to ignore anything that goes against your copyright maximalist worldview

        • Anon

          Would you invest hundreds of millions of your shareholders money to create a new life saving drug if you knew that thousands of others would copy it immediately after you did all the work and investment, and there was nothing you could do to stop it?

          I didn’t think so.
          It’s a real world out there.
          Not that you care.

        • Anyone

          Google invests millions in Android despite it being OpenSource, for example

          innovation doesn’t need copyright or patents, in fact it is crippled by it

        • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

          You think the Copyright monopolies are doing that? All they do is litigate! It’s amazing they have any money left to make products…..Oh! Wait! Do they actually MAKE products?

        • joexxx

          In this case PayPal is opening up itself to liability for privacy invasion concerns.
          To reduce the risk of ending up in court, they need to focus on their core business, not some side vice cop project.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      Those laws are changing faster than you know. In the meanwhile, they’re more irrelevant than you can imagine. The best proof of that is the extent to which they’re disobeyed.

      What do you do with laws that citizens don’t respect enough to live by? Read History: Ignore them first! Abolish them second. Third: Stand righteous in the history books for having spoken Truth to Power and having overcome tyranny.

    • icec0ld

      To continue posting here you have to submit every comment to me for approval as well as unbridled access to your email and bank accounts to ensure nothing you are doing anti pirate.

      Hey, I can as reasonable as PayPal too! would ya look at that

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      And since Usenet has never been deemed illegal, Paypal is simply using it’s ToS in order to “keep” the money which should have been forwarded to the end adress.

      I note that you have nothing to say, however, about the fact that Paypal has no problems sending money to organizations openly affiliated with the KKK, for instance.

      Then again, since you applaud self-confessed fascists and have previously demonstrated that “burden of proof” means nothing to you, it’s not surprisingly that your view of “legal” exists in no textbook of law.

  • Guest

    This is what happens when you don’t respect the first rule.

    Paypal sucks anyway.

  • Fgffg

    Paypal will die in 6/12 months. Bye Paypal, you suck.

    • Anon

      6 to 12 months, huh? lol
      Pirate moron.

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        He might not be hitting the timing just on the mark; but, he might be right longer term. Remember, over time people wake up….

        • Cheesethief

          ‘over time people wake up….’

          Paypal has over 100 million customers, this ‘revolution’ is a pipe dream

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Cheesethief

          Paypal had over 100 million customers before they decided to pull the plug on wikileaks. There are dozens of replacements for paypal where they once held a monopoly position.

          So yea, if a payment provider is bleeding customers at the rate paypal is, we are indeed looking at Paypal not existing before the end of the next decade.

          Numerous online services have gone as far as starting to accept Bitcoin as an alternative. The “revolution” is moving at explosive pace.

          Your facts seem to be grabbed from yesterday’s wall street journal, for all the relevance it has.

        • Cheesethief

          ‘So yea, if a payment provider is bleeding customers at the rate paypal is, we are indeed looking at Paypal not existing before the end of the next decade.’

          Saunce?, oh wait..

  • Underground Hermit

    Thanks paypal. you are now sending us down deeper underground. Time to have more useful services for Bitcoin.

  • iMeZiV0x

    Its generally fine tho. If paypal chose to impose this methodology to its rules and also demand snooping then sure, they lose the business but its not going to make a dent due it being a extremely small percentage of their entire business. Many other sites have made alternate payment processing, and most members are happy tho except these. BT and usenet has gained popularity due to mainstream processors like Paypal making it easier for Joe Public to access the services. I welcome this change as the more “underground” it is in terms of monitoring, the harder it will be to be closed completely. Don’t get me wrong, its a major blow to those sites who are reliant on Paypal funds, its also a major mistake to be reliant on Paypal.

  • Violated0

    I am not much surprised when we have heard PayPal do this before but I am still sad for these companies who have lost a major funds source. Sure they can use other payment services but when 95% of your customers pay you via PayPal then fucked over you are.

    In my view it is quite clear what happened here when PayPal is bitch to the US Government and the MPAA/RIAA could well have wrote their terms & conditions themselves when these requirements are physically impossible to comply with and even trying to do so would break a couple of laws.

    Let us also keep in mind that this is very political when in this War on Infringement they have directly stated that they will attack file-sharing services by cutting off their payment services and advertising. To wrap this up in (law breaking) terms and conditions is simply done to make this look official rather than feeding them the political bullshit it really is.

    I well remember the Usenet with its news and discussion groups but of course it is that binary addition that now gets the whole system shut down. I am sure they will adapt when technology and innovation belongs to them. I can only hope these services heeded my usual advice in that a business should never store any funds in PayPal that they would not want to lose for 180 days.

  • Arb1

    What will be next to be banned? Dedicated server providers?

    • joexxx

      Banned by who?

  • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

    didnt paypal already do this to them either earlier this year or last?

  • root@paypal.co.uk

    i hope giganews find a new way for me to pay for my account.

    as for paypal, i’ll just, for now, use them for things i win on ebay. as soon as a better system turns up, i’ll swap as fast as i can.

    • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

      Yes, but try Astraweb. They’re good.

  • http://twitter.com/RuddO Rudd-O

    coughcough Bitcoin cough cough.

  • JordanKratz

    Could Torrentfreak do a News Story on all the Alternatives we could use instead of Paypal ?

    Many of us are still stuck on using Paypal and I for one want to dump them.I also want to know that the Company I use as an Alternative is a totally safe,reliable, and Non-Ripoff Company.

    I will slowly get round to looking more at Bitcoin but we Newbies and even older geeks need proper info to make the Right Choice.

    I am thinking we need your help to navigate the large Web and find that good Alternative.

    • ScrewEwe2

      Happy Thanksgiving Jordan.

      • JordanKratz

        Thank you and the same to you as well !

    • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

      Seconded (:

      • JordanKratz

        Thank you and the same to you as well !

  • harry krishna

    while i feel sorry for usenet users, perhaps this will encourage them to find that bit torrent just waiting for them. free is good

    • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

      Astraweb is still accepting PayPal. And anyway, I’m sure they’ll find some way to take payment.

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  • Roaster

    Maybe I am being ignorant here, but why are people using Paypal instead of just using a credit card or debit card?

    • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

      Well the credit card companies are also sometimes refusing to take payments. In an extreme case, we’ll have to go to bitcoins, or just use bittorrent or cyberlockers. The piracy choices just keep getting better as far as I can see, at the same time that the trolls keep throwing tantrums.

    • Cheesethief

      You can’t just’ ‘use’ a credit or debit card. There needs to be a payment gateway. VISA/Mastercard/AMEX are payment processors which handle the processing of the payment, two completely separate things. WIthout a gateway, a website cannot accept payment/make a link between the companies to send the necessary information to Visa/Mastercard to process the payment and perform all necessary checks (ie: check if funds are available on the card

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Which is, I believe, why more and more companies providing online services are now accepting payments where the “payment gateway” has been abolished, being nothing more than a cash drain.

        Ten years ago, Bitcoin was a pipe dream. Today even WordPress and VPN providers accept it.

  • Givethemthereasons

    All sing along ‘ And now the end is near and scum now face the final curtain, regrets you’ve had a few because you’re theiving is now uncertain’ HA HA HA

    • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

      ROTFL, I was just going to comment on how they keep doing these things and it has absolutely no effect on piracy. Dream on if you think this is important.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Why would we, when every battle so far has been won by us?

      Would you look at that, “Baghdad Bob” got himself a sidekick…

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ???

    should change name to payenemy

  • StephenTimms

    They won’t stop until we, ahem, hold them accountable.
    That goes for all those cannibals in suits.
    They need a good fucking scare.

  • 231e7238dgqib

    @anon
    Piracy is just a reason to erode our rights.
    Rights don’t exist anyway, grow the fuck up.
    They disappear the second you can’t enforce them.

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  • 0omg

    i repeat do not use bitcoin as everything going on into the network is PUBLIC !!!

    you can even work out how much a site is making from bitcoins….

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Pure bull.

      Bitcoin is far more anonymous than anything even closely related to current payment providers. More anonymous by far even than hard cash.

      You can repeat the FUD as much as you like, but until you fork over some facts to overthrow the research already done on bitcoin, FUD is all it is.

    • blippyblip

      Again, you are misunderstanding how the protocol works.

  • Foff

    Paypal are fucking stupid crooks. Almost every company that has been banned still sell memberships using paypal but they use resellers instead. So for every stupid road block they throw up there is a way around it. So suck on that paypal you mafiaa suck up assholes.

  • Tinker2600

    Of course PayPal will wither and die, if they keep this course. Im more interested in the connection between the copyright industries and PayPal. Curious that a payment processor can be subject to such highly polarized control from a single special interest market sector. Who really owns them?

  • waaminn

    Wow, no way man thats like totally insane dude! Seriously!

    Anon-Max.tk

  • icec0ld

    My friends wonder why I refuse to use PayPal. The reason is I’m scared for my and anyones money in their system. The fact an entity like PayPal can have a say in what does and doesn’t go in a business and freeze cash that does not belong to them border on the illegal and down right fraud on their part

  • Guest

    Paypal is a scumbag organization. Look at how they froze an account set up for gifts for needy children: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/paypal-freezes-regretsys-account-for-needy-children/ They said they would keep the money for six months after which they collect fees. In explaining their rules for using the donate button, their rep said that a charity for poor children was not considered a “worthy cause”.

  • Sdfsd

    So Who gets the dough? Me thinks They Have just Made Alot of money by Pretending to care about piracy.

  • Waseihou

    I propose an action – what about torrentfreak wrote an article which would be a step-by-step howto for people how to safely pay with bitcoin? From exchaning money to making the actual payment. There are services where it is possible to buy bitcoins with PayPal, so it should be pretty easy to make the payment.

    Please make a good article regarding this.

    Googling for PayPal and bitcoin found several sites which offer the exchange, I don’t know how trustworthy they are, but this should be explored…

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  • Hate’nOnBigMan

    Nice new forced TOS bitches. We can clearly see the handwriting of the MAFIAA and friends on this one. Just like RapidShit they succumbed to the big man once again! More like they accepted a big paycheck from them and happily started to bash completely LEGAL businesses based on assumptions that they MUST be illegal. Welcome to the FSA where no one gives a fuck about any law unless YOU pay for it.

    US appears to be spilling their own blood all over the place. Alienating foreign and domestic customers alike they will run out of sheeple in the next few decades if technological oppression stays as strict as it is and people grow tired of this BS. Wonder how long they can keep up with popular demand and STILL make tons of money while pretending to get ruined by piracy. Either they cut spending, shut down the fraudsters and take money out of law making or just run out of money to bail out their failing businesses.

    xD Fuck the (world) police!

    Sux for the common Joe that their corrupted ass government keeps tarnishing their countries wealth and reputation. One day maybe another country will stand up to the US regime and tell em to just fuck off! Like China as a major lendor to US economy. Already at it as it seems. No difference between China hatin on free speech and Uhmerica hatin of civil rights.

    Major publishing companies and middlemen will get their ass handed to them by the public if someone spills the beans on their day to day tyranny of dic(k)tating artists around, cheating the IRS, ignoring free trade, lobbying for better laws and conditions to their benefit, sueing the F out of the competition, blocking technological progress, using scare tactics, manipulating statistics (lol), bribing service providers and making ridiculous demands to consumers (personal data, credit card info, DRM, licensing rather than selling the product, forcing TOS changes, banning accounts permanently, online activation, account limitations, bad customer support all around AND selling out personal information of their customers to add companies).

    Or maybe not. Most of the gamers, listeners, movie goers appear to not give a fuck about their asses being vandalized and their wallets litteraly sucked dry by coporations. We already know these companies are evil but we continue to use them if it suits our needs which appears to be most of the time… keep on dreaming of a better world with healthy competition and fair conditions for everybody.

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  • kissmyassPal

    Just reading trough the demands GayPal asks for I assume they are already backed by FBI and other government + private agencies to keep up with this high of bandwidth. They really want to have

    “free access to the service so GayPals Unacceptable Use Falacy department can CENSOR the fkin service!”

    omfg

    Like one of the first commentors said:
    Everything based in US = SHIT for free speech, privacy and sharing/civil liberties.

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  • Hogspace

    I don’t use Social Media but perhaps a Twitter/Facebook campaign against PayPal might harm them?
    Keep on refusing to buy mainstream DVD’s, attend the Cinema or use Netflix etc, that’s the primary weapon.

  • robthom

    Can somebody explain why someone else cant just offer the same service as paypal?

    There seem to be as many people who don’t like paypal as like it.

    • Cheesethief

      Because Paypal have an established user base and have been in the game since 1998 maybe? Same with Google and Ebay, many people hate Ebay, but I don’t see them being toppled any time soon, same with Google

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Yahoo and navigator used to “own” a monopoly on indexing. Then Google came along with a superior business model.
        Firefox stormed on to the stage and stole Explorer’s laurels within two years. Android is par on par with iPhone, tearing down the apple monopoly, and it has done so FAST. Apple itself was on the verge of bankruptcy before Steve Jobs came back and turned it around, placing it way ahead of Microsoft. Within years.

        Linux today runs on 90% of the servers in the world where the standard was, in the 90′s, Unix.

        I could go on.

        In the real world, businesses live or die based on how well they perform in the consumer market. Where the internet is concerned, I see no reason at all why Google won’t go the way Yahoo did as soon as google turns out to be the worse choice.

        And as Paypals reputation for hamfisted arbitration becomes more and more known in the general consumer market, it doesn’t really matter if they once were kings of the hill. No one trusts a bank which cheats it’s customers in the end.

        I find your stance – that paypal will remain the biggest baddest and the only, simply because they have been so in the past, rather naíve.

  • Cindywilliams25

    Paypal is a bad deal for any business, regardless of what you sell. they ALWAYS side with the consumer, even if a business has proof of delivery. I know of too many people who were scammed by paypal and e-bay

    this is a good thing; it should give more reasonable competition a chance

    • Cheesethief

      So by your logic, FUCK DA CONSUMER even it’s the other way around and it’s a shitty fucking business who scams/delivers items weeks, months later then stated

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  • Guest

    Usenet is legit just like Megaupload, YouTube, The Pirate Bay.

  • chronoss

    wtf has privacy to do with copyright infringement?
    these wankers need to die and every should stop using pay pal for anything
    no really they are just usa wankers

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  • free-market

    Well, even WordPress started to accept Bitcoin payments, this is the way to go, from sh*tious state monopoly money to real core countereconomy.

  • oledawg

    I haven’t used Paypal for over a decade.

    When they asked for more personal information,

    I carefully read their draconian ‘terms and conditions’ and refused to comply.
    I simply decided they could not to be trusted.

    I still have an account, but it has a zero balance and it will remain until they finally delete it.

    Once in a while they send an email asking for this or that but as far as I am concerned, they can stuff it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001397738818 Tommy Aisia

    Of course users of a site called “torrentfreak” will complain about this. If you lowlife thieves would stop trying to get contents for free in the first place, these companies wouldn’t be imposing these policies. I hope all countries band together and shut down all file sharing websites for good. If you want something, pay for it, you idiots.

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  • Borharris1

    no problem . i’ll never use paypal again …

  • Asashii

    you people are a bunch of third world idiots

  • Xejksa

    Shut up about Bitcoin already! Has anyone tried that “Payza” option? Is it any good?

  • Szchifo

    It was only a matter of time before usenet fell

    The only way to defeat copyright trolls is to stop consuming their stuff

    On to the next method of downloading…

  • Zapitron

    Does this mean that XSUsenet, EasyUsenet and Usenet4U are among the most reliable Usenet providers? (i.e. least likely to have missing articles)

  • White Shadow

    This happens all the time to regular business owners who use PayPal, so the fact that Paypal decides to go after Usenet Providers is not at all surprising to me.

    If you do any kind of business with PayPal remember this: According to US law, PayPal is NOT a bank. The American banking laws that apply to, say Chase or Citibank, do not apply to Paypal. For example, if a US bank fails, insurance would protect up to a $100,000 per account. However, if eBay ever declares bankruptcy, eBay can raid everyone’s Paypal accounts without compensating them. Paypal can do literally anything they want to any money that you have sitting in your Paypal account. If you or your business depends on your money for survival, don’t let it sit in your Paypal. Any money that is deposited in your Paypal account should be promptly transferred to a bank account.

  • Jwsports

    You know, it not even worth my time to type a relevant, informative comment here, too many flamers

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  • Cocks

    Just get a VPN :-P

  • steve

    This is hilarious because paypal haven’t wised up to the fact that a shedload of payment methods have been popping up on the net lately. And where there is money to be made someone would certainly ignore what the payments are for in return for a slice.

    They need to face facts, this is one area they or any other financial henchmen cannot centralize. It’s not facebook or twitter ffs. Paypal won’t be holding a monopoly for long seeing as money will always change hands.

  • Info

    Hitnews was cut off too. They now offer Bitcoins as a new payment option. Not sure how to get these Bitcoins though…

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  • no_thanks_prey-pal

    What a surprise, prey-pal scans it’s account holders, and attacks those with large balances, under the thinly veiled copyright cover, and then in 180 days wil lclosed the accoutns and steal the money.

    Last time i checked, it was not for a money transfer service to police the use of said transfers.

    prey-pal needs to keeps it’s nose out

  • virtualavatar

    My opinion, Paypal is being pressure into this action by legal firms working for businesses trying to make more money by preventing people from downloading.

  • Henry

    Paypal is a terrible company that not only steals money from people, but also invades their privacy. I have been almost conned by Paypal into creating an account with them. Luckily I smelled the rot before I clicked “submit”. Here is a great article that explains their cheating strategies in detail http://annystudio.com/misc/losing-customers-becuase-of-paypal/
    I couldn’t write better than the author.

  • MrEthiopian

    Fk Paygal I dumped them long ago and never looked back.

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