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PayPal Demands Invites to Private BitTorrent Trackers

The traditional way for private BitTorrent trackers to keep their operations going is to accept donations from site users. Many sites, probably many hundreds, use PayPal to process these donations since it’s the most convenient option for site members. However, these days PayPal isn’t keen on doing business with file-sharing sites and is getting very demanding. Those demands now include receiving private tracker invitations so they can personally snoop behind the scenes.

For many years payment processors have dealt with both file-hosting and BitTorrent sites without asking too many questions, but last year things began to change.

Rightsholders and anti-piracy companies have been putting companies like PayPal under increasing pressure to stop processing funds for sites that have become associated with copyright-infringing activities, whether those sites operate legitimately or not.

Stirred up by people such as those behind the StopFileLockers campaign and rightsholders including IFPI and BREIN for example, slowly but surely processors have been making it more and more difficult for file-sharing related sites to do business with them.

Many sites have had their funds frozen by PayPal – in some cases tens of thousands of dollars – after the company either arbitrarily decided to cease trading with them or after sites refused to comply with PayPal’s terms and conditions.

PayPal T&C

As previously revealed, PayPal has been demanding access to the back-end of file-hosting websites to examine their customers’ files as a condition of continuing business with them. That demand went too far for file-hoster PutLocker who told us last year that as a matter of confidentiality that would never happen. As a result PayPal froze the company’s funds for 6 months.

But PayPal isn’t stopping there. According to several admins who spoke with TorrentFreak on condition of anonymity, PayPal has been freezing the accounts of private BitTorrent trackers too – and then demanding access to the sites so they can see what goes on there.

Of course, this creates problems. Private sites tend to have invitation systems so in the first instance PayPal has to be either sent an invite or have an account created for them manually. However, once PayPal gains access it is effectively game over for the site’s donation account. There are few private trackers that deal in 100% authorized content and filtering out unauthorized material as PayPal requires would make many of them pointless.

We aren’t sure of the precise numbers but sites have definitely been losing their PayPal accounts in recent months, either after refusing to comply with PayPal’s terms or failing inspections. However, we are informed that there are ways of being creative in order to keep accounts – or at least develop new ones that run in a different direction.

One admin told us that he has plans to shift away from the donation model completely and towards selling products and services to his userbase. At an inflated price (a mug for $25 or VPN for $20 per month etc) he hopes that he can generate enough profit to keep his ship afloat.

“Paraphrasing that dude in Independence Day, do you really think it costs $20,000 for a toilet seat?” he said.

Another source told us he may well run two sites. One will operate as a fully legitimate concern within PayPal’s guidelines and be set up to accept the donations. These funds will then be funneled to the second site to keep it going.

There is another way of keeping PayPal sweet too, but the method is apparently so secretive that our source refused to reveal many details. “Let’s just say if you do let the monkeys at PayPal into your site, passing doesn’t have to be hard if you do the prep work,” we were told.

But despite the creativity, others appear to be destined for no-man’s land. During the past few days TorrentBytes, one of Internet’s oldest private trackers, has announced that due to being unable to process payments it may well close down before the end of the month.

“Recent situations have put the staff team in a very hard position with handling site finances,” an announcement from TorrentBytes begins. “Problem is not lack of donations, but entirely on handling them. As of current every service provider the site has to pay for only accepts PayPal, Credit/Debit cards or direct bank wiring. Only one provider allows bitcoin.”

“Unless we can figure out some realistic and possible way to do site finances completely PayPal free, it seems like the story of TorrentBytes will end very soon after January 2013.”

At the time of writing the site is down and unreachable, possibly temporarily but possibly not. The question is, how many more will join it in 2013?

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  • Asd

    lmao

    • Guest

      I use Bitcoin.

      • Guest

        Yeah – bitcoin seems to be gaining some mainstream momentum hopefully it keeps going and more trackers adopt it for donations.

      • Jvf

        Bitcoin… what does it look like? in asci? needs picture…

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      • 523623

        wtf is bitcoin, i need something simple retard friendly.

        • conor rynne

          digital currency that operates closer to a personal wallet than a bank

    • Anom Guyest

      let paypal come to site using special account that only sees legal contend and legal looking forum posts it possible… this is only third way that i can think

      • Windlasher

        was gonna say that. the PP account is filtered all to hell.

      • Truth

        So like a speakeasy during prohibition in the US. Either a tea room or a funeral home :) I like the idea, have a site dedicated to one thing (cooking/food/hardware/…) and under this 1000 mile thick lead lining have the good stuff – the real site.

      • buttt

        implying illegal content.It’s the sharing that is an “infringement”.
        I wish Jersey Shore was fucking Illegal

  • Bjohensson

    Why doesn’t eveybody DDOS Paypal for an unlimited time? They only thing they willl understand is loss of business.

    • Sugenson

      My parents own a shop. For a variety of reasons they don’t sell alcohol in their shop.

      By your reasoning , a beer manufacturer could send a few guys to shot my parents dead because they don’t want to do business with them !

      You’re such a smart guy! How old are you ddos fan? 2months and 1 week?

      • Logic

        True. it’s simply your parent’s loss..because I would just go and buy alcohol from anywhere. that’s what we should do..cut off Paypal and use something else like Bitcoins

      • TheOiulkj

        Actually no, it’s more like somebody shooting the loan sharks that your parents had to resort to in order to keep their business alive.

        • Asashii

          sorry paypal doesnt control the market, use another service!

        • Deebeedooh

          Asashii, then tell me about any other service like PayPal that is so widely accepted and does not do such things. No, seriously. I’d gladly jump off PayPal if such service arises. Moneybookers won’t work, as they do same things:
          http://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=141721
          and to the worse for seemingly no reasons at all (paypal at least have some – stupid but stupid but they have it).

        • http://twitter.com/gacbmmml Noah

          Dwolla. Amazon Payments. Google Checkout. Stripe. Square. There are literally dozens of other ways to accept donations from users and still get paid.

        • President

          Google Checkout. Amazon Checkout.

        • Who

          @President: google check out and amazon are not the same as paypal. they do not store funds like paypal does. to use ether you must link a working debit/credit card to it.

      • Lord of the Files

        So what you’re saying is that a DDOS attack against Paypal is the equivalent of shooting someone dead? Nice hyperbole there, Sugenson.

        I like the post by TheOiulkj in response to yours. It’s a far more accurate comparison given how Paypal acts.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        A DDoS is the equivalent of a hundred people picketing your parents store. Not “shooting them dead”. Nice hyperbole there.

        Don’t ironize over other people’s “smarts” when you just managed to prove your own lack of the same.

        That said the problem here is that PayPal makes decisions on where to allow payment arbitrarily. Organizations known to be affiliated with the KKK have no problem accepting donations, for instance. Websites and stores which are fully legal may suddenly have – for no reason given.

        And here’s the actual clincher. PayPal doesn’t just “stop” the payment but also try to appropriate – i.e. steal – the money you attempted to send.

        For that alone, PayPal does deserve heavy public censure and more than just the occasional DDoS. Ideally of course, what people should do is simply to walk away from PayPal én másse for the reasons given above.

    • guess who

      i said exactly the same thing fairly recently.

    • OneEyedWillie

      DDOS is a nice little game for a while but for a more end game type thing we all need to see that PayPal is REGULATED like a BANK. Their money transfer service is NOT regulated. They can do anything they want. Power galore. Abuse galore and there is not a damn thing one can do about it until they are REGULATED! Make a bill in CONGRESS! Get it passed. Paypal will have to behave.

      • JG

        Until they take a page from the MAFIAA’s playbook & start bribing the congressmen (er, sorry, donating to their re-election funds) to tweak the bill to allow loopholes so they can continue with business as usual…

        • OneEyedWillie

          You have to beat them within the framework. It is the only way.

      • Gee

        paypal is registered as a bank in Europe.

        • OneEyedWillie

          Peter Thiel, the founder of PayPal, has stated that PayPal is not a bank because it does not engage in fractional-reserve banking.[56] Rather, PayPal’s funds that have not been disbursed are kept in commercial interest-bearing checking accounts.[57]

          In the United States, PayPal is licensed as a money transmitter on a state-by-state basis.[58] PayPal is not classified as a bank in the United States, though the company is subject to some of the rules and regulations governing the financial industry including Regulation E consumer protections and the USA PATRIOT Act.[59]

          In 2007, PayPal Europe was granted a Luxembourg banking license, which, under European Union law, allows it to conduct banking business throughout the EU.[60] It is therefore regulated as a bank by Luxembourg’s banking supervisory authority, the Commission de Surveillance du Secteur Financier (CSSF).[61][62][63]

          In Australia, PayPal is licensed as an Authorised Deposit-taking Institution (ADI) and is thus subject to Australian banking laws and regulations.[64]

        • Who

          @OneEyedWillie: ya I am sure the governments did that just so if they need to they could take control and seize (steel) your funds. just like with re-loadable debit cards.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Difficult, to say the least.

        See, the way PayPal operates makes them definitely NOT a bank. PayPal instead belongs to the shadow banking sector. They’re a shell corporation performing fiscal transfers.

        They do not, however, act as a bank and it’s wrong to see them as such.

        And for a lot of reasons the US is very very unwilling to regulate shadow banking as, much like filesharing, the effects of heavy enforcement would be disastrous to the economy.

        It could be argued that the 2009 crash was originated by a hiccup in shadow banking causing the collapse of the entire house of cards. That cars house is now taller than ever and Fed is desperate that shadow banking does not, at this time, hiccup again.

        We probably can not regulate PayPal away. We can simply leave it, recommend anyone we know against using it and walk away from their service.

    • Guest321

      So you’re a saying a privately owned business does not have any right to choose with whom they do business with? Are you crazy or what? Like it not, companies like Paypal have every right to pick and choose their clients and they are not answerable to the public either.

      • D4rt

        Of course they are answerable to the public – a lot more answerable than governments. Do not like them or any of their business practices – do not use them and they leave you alone too! Can’t say the same for government provided services which extract money from you by force, no matter whether you use their services (and just try to start competition to any government monopoly).

      • ktetch

        I think the argument is that when you’ve established yourself into a monopolistic position in the field, and yet play the laws so that customers have zero protection and extremely poor terms because of that monopoly position, they get upset.

        Quite understandable too. After all, Paypal holds peoples money, refuses access to it on a whim, and is very difficult to contact with . No bank, or money-sending service (such as Moneygram or Western Union) gets away with this.
        It has taken on the role of law enforcement, AND judiciary, deciding who to punish and how.

        Not exactly the best thing.

      • xpmule

        they are registered as a bank in EUR someone said (i’m assuming this is true)
        I live in Canada and ALL banks here HAVE to do business with anyone that demands it.. it’s the law.
        Credit unions here do not. They will do a credit check and interview on you and if your credit rating is not good enough they will ask you to leave.

        The position PayPal is in should force them to adhere to banking rules and laws !

  • Johnny Rigatoni

    Paypal needs to stop being so entitled.

    • YahRly

      Like the people who are apparently “entitled” to use their service you mean?

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Some truth there, but the fact that PayPal reserves the right to actually appropriate whatever money you send through them, no questions asked or answered does make them a decidedly shady operation.

  • hmm

    fuck paypal off full stop

  • Gino

    Alternatives to Paypal will emerge. Bitcoins etc..

    • as if

      Bitcoins??? Better Botswana’s PULA!

      Just take a look , a good one, how bitcoins value goes from 5$ to 25 and back to 5$

      Anybody with a healthy mg of brain won’t take the chance of getting bankrupt with bitcoins.

      • maxalbritten

        I understand that you have a lot of misconceptions about bitcoins, but they are still misconceptions. Bitcoins are very useful in cases exactly like what torrentfreak is experiencing.

        Bitcoins price are determined solely by supply and demand. Botswana’s pula is suffering from hyper-inflation due to the government printing presses running rampant. Bitcoin does not suffer this problem.

        Bitcoins have been much more steady in price than the 5-25-5 time period of 2011. Again, prices only spiked because demand spiked, not because of any sort of arbitrary increase in supply.

        Torrentfreak, or anyone, can convert their bitcoins into whatever currency they desire. They would not need to sit on BTC any longer than they’d want to making it impossible for them “to go bankrupt with bitcoins”.

        Please let me know if you any other questions about how bitcoins work!

        • Anon1

          Explain Bitcoins from beginning to end. Go!

        • Shit Blizzard

          Anon1

          ditto, please do explain, after all how are we gonna get alternatives if we don’t understand them? all i’ve heard of bitcoin has been pretty … arcane/esoteric to say the least

        • maxalbritten

          Explaining Bitcoin in its entirety is a bit of a tall order, but I’ll try my best. There’s a couple different ways to “visualize” how Bitcoin works and I’ll go with the one that I find easiest to grasp. Others may have different ways of explaining it.

          Bitcoin is like one, singular ledger that keeps track of all transactions that is verified by everyone participating in the network. When someone sends 1 bitcoin to my wallet, the entire network verifies that the sender does indeed have that 1 bitcoin in the first place and then records that it went to me. This is what prevents anyone from inventing whatever number of bitcoins they want for themselves.

          Second, my “wallet” is in the end a piece of software that stores my addresses that no one else has due to encryption. I’m not any good at all at explaining how the encryption and hashes work, but I’m sure someone else will help me out here.

          Sending a bitcoin is as easy as opening up your bitcoin software and sending X amount to someone elses address. An address looks something like this 1Le4tsNf8yKBTPG1Atb5DuEXKwdqNFUqMV . So, let’s say that torrentfreak had a bitcoin address I could send BTC all I would have to do is copy/paste that address and send. After the network verifies that transaction against “the ledger” torrentfreak would have control of that bitcoin. For all I know, the owner of the address could be living in Hong Kong, Moscow, or Buenos Ares. No middle man.

          The worth of a bitcoin is determined only by supply and demand. Right now 1 bitcoin is trading for about $13.60USD . That means real people are paying dollars for bitcoins at that price. It is not some arbitrary price that one person decided on. Also, since there will only ever be 21 million bitcoins released there is no chance of inflation.

          That was a very brief run down. Please let me know what other questions you may have and I shall try to clarify further.

        • Gee

          I would say BC is more like a stock market, but of course the kiddies that infest this site have no idea what that is either.

        • Whatever

          Nice explanation except it does leave some questions.

          Where did those bitcoins come from ? Someone must have made 21 million times initial value by selling the those bitcoins at creation time. That’s a lot of money for creating virtual reality out of nothing.

          There are a few billion people on this planet. Doesn’t the existance of “just” 21 million bitcoins pose the problem that only a total of 21 million people at a time can ever own one ?

          I probably need to check some wiki pages first…

        • maxalbritten

          @ Whatever

          1. The 21 million is preset in the bitcoin system and was decided on by the creators of bitcoin. I believe it 21 million was just the number the creators decided on and it could well have been 50 million. This doesn’t mean that they HAD all 21 million in their own bitcoin wallets. So far though, only about 10.5million bitcoins have been “mined” and are in circulation.

          2. A single bitcoin is divisible up to 8 decimal places. Some people are starting to refer to “millibits” which are .001 bitcoin. So .030BTC = 30mBTC This divisibility means that there is no concern for not having enough units.

        • Whatever

          Thanks…

          The rest i’ll look up some day (like “mined”) on the internets….

        • Gee

          @Whatever
          as maxalbritten mentioned, BitCoin can goto 8 decimal places. So if you were to view it as a conventional money system where it goes to 2 decimal places there would be 21 trillion… plenty to go around.

          Conventional money systems inflate, while BItCoin deflates. Also new BitCoins aren’t just ‘created’ it has to be generated/crack a new code block, which takes a real long time, its based on a mathematical algorithm.

      • Aimdb Bert

        btc is only a means of exchange, you exchange local currency for btc, pay the service provider and the provider immediately exchanges btc for his local currency of choice. btc is not a store of wealth. yes there are exchange value fluctuations but only a few percent on a daily basis, not like the 500 percent you refer to. and even if that would happen, you only lose revenue for that day, not such a problem compared to what what paypal charges as fees and if they decide to block your funds

        • utuxia

          Ok, so i just downloaded Bitcoin for mac…now it is is “syncing” — whatever that means. How can I transfer money from PayPal into bitcoin so I can use it anonymously.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Quick example:

        You want to send someone 99 cents.

        Using bitcoins what you actually send may be 49 cents or 149 cents, but is accomplished by copying an adress and clicking a button.

        With any other method it means painstakingly filling in credit card details, or relying on PayPal not to simply make off with your money in the first place and not telling you about it.

        So out of convenience how many do you think will want to use bitcoins for microtransactions? And if enough do it, the value stabilizes.

        A question to complete the example – do you own stock or have invested in a fund? If so, why? You could go bankrupt that way.

        Bitcoin so far is an elegant solution to online currency – however, it does in many ways resemble putting funds into the stock market with unmatched ease of retrieval.

    • Spamz0r

      Bitcoins are practically blockaded by financial corporations, with high fees that makes small scale currency transfer unfeasible. A good idea, but it unfortunately doesn’t seem likely.

      • Mqrius

        The opposite of what you said is true. As a peer-to-peer system, Bitcoins *cannot* be blocked (just like bittorrent can’t be blocked), and the fees are negligible and optional.

        On the other hand, paypal and cc companies are blocking financials of organisations left and right, with fees in the order of 5%.

        • frozar

          Bitcoins can, in theory, be blocked because they’re not self-reliant. At some point Bitcoins have to be turned into real money and vice versa. Those links are vulnerable to Visa/MC blocking.

        • Mqrius

          @frozar:
          I would call that blocking the connection of Bitcoin to euros/dollars/etc, not blocking Bitcoin itself, but I understand what you mean.

          Attacking the exchanges would indeed be the most viable way to attack Bitcoin, but it’s still quite roundabout. There is a large amount of transactions between people individually, outside of any exchanges. Personally I sell Bitcoins for bank transfer, but there’s also plenty of people selling Bitcoins for cash.

          Apart from that, with increased adoption Bitcoin will be more self-reliant. As soon as a government feels Bitcoin is large enough to take serious action against it, it might be large enough to be too late for that government.

          Ideally though, governments would see the benefits, as opposed to the threats. It’s going to be interesting in any case :)

        • maxalbritten

          @frozar

          They do not “need” to be turned into any other currency. Every bitcoin I’ve made I’ve used on something else with bitcoin.

          Even if every bank and credit card company somehow decided to somehow prevent people from exchanging bitcoins it still wouldn’t matter thanks to sites like https://localbitcoins.com/

          The only way anyone could stop bitcoins would be to shut down the Internet.

        • Guest321

          So basically bitcoins are like virtual currency? Most people still have no idea how to convert bitcoins to real money or vice versa. That part doesn’t quite seem transparent to me. So I don’t see how it can become mainstream anytime soon as a Paypal alternative.

        • Lj

          Using bitcoin is like using linux. No clear explanation given and the yada yada. Rave. In the end no one gives a shit!

        • Mqrius

          @Guest321: Yes, “virtual currency” is a pretty good summary. It doesn’t show the benefits of it, or how it’s different from earlier virtual currencies, but it’s the gist of it.
          Converting Bitcoins is done in a similar way as converting dollars to euros or vice versa. Basically you trade it with someone who wants Bitcoins. Now you could do that person-to-person ( http://bitcoin-otc.org , https://localbitcoins.com/ , http://btcnearme.com/ ), or via an exchange ( https://mtgox.com/ , https://www.bitstamp.net/ ), or via other methods as well.
          You’re right though, paypal is currently easier. Paypal is also more limited, more expensive, more monitored, and in my opinion pretty evil.
          But just because it’s easier, doesn’t mean there isn’t any room for alternatives. Western union still exists, for example.
          As a last point: You don’t necessarily need to convert Bitcoins to normal money. I use Bitcoins on my mobile Bitcoin app to settle debts between my friends who also use Bitcoin. Used for that it’s easy, convenient, fast, and basically free!

          @Lj: Comparing Bitcoin to linux actually makes sense! Bitcoin used to be for nerds, and was only used by a small amount of people. Nowadays it’s getting easier and easier — like linux (ubuntu, for instance) — and used by more and more people. But of course, you’re free to stick to your slowly crashing microsoft money ;)

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Guest321

          “So basically bitcoins are like virtual currency?”

          Like the Euro and the Dollar today, yes. 99% of whom never see circulation as “real” physical money.

          And, interestingly enough, although Bitcoin values are deemed by supply and demand, ordinary fiat currency today is not deemed by anything other than the guarantee of the government that a dollar will be worth one dollar.

          Tentatively the dollar gains or loses value against other currencies mainly by how popular US bonds are internationally. If China flooded the market with their current US foreign reserve, the Dollar would crash instantly.

          The question isn’t whether Bitcoin is a comparable alternative but whether the world as a whole has lost all concept of reality regarding what a “currency” is. Today you won’t find any currency backed by any physical goods or service.

      • pixelpaca
    • ano

      correct. and with a paymentprocessor like bitpay theres even no risk with USD/BTC

    • jesset77

      Bitcoin is a hell of a donation vehicle. You can sign up with a Bitcoin payment processor such as Bitpay, Paysius or Coinbase if you want someone else keeping track of the donation or converting the donated Bitcoin back into USD for you, to be deposited in your bank account via ACH on a daily basis. Or if you aren’t concerned about tracking who donates what then you can just post a simple Bitcoin address (ideally with it’s QR code, for end-user convenience) and handle the bitcoins yourself, and cash them out through any venue you choose.

  • guess

    Make them an account but limit them to the Linux os section and require them to abide by the same site rules.

    • Guest

      :-)

    • Embrace Change

      BitTorrent trackers have a Linux OS section? Which ones?

      *crickets*

      • RIAAtarded

        ye of little faith … linuxtracker.org

  • as if

    The problem for the “owners” is not that they can’t accept donation to run the website.

    Those cashwhores can’t make a life out of running a torrent website anymore , that is their problem.

    I run a torrent website with 40k users on a 75$ server.And hell if i asked for a donation in my whole life.

    • Chopsbusted

      What site? I find that hard to believe.

      • Guest

        why? 40k registered users (right?) is not that hard to believe, or achieve for that matter.

    • Anon1

      Too proud to accept donations?

      • Guest321

        To proud to perhaps be a lying, stealing admin claiming $600 a month is needed in donations to keep the damn site running? Most of sites exceed their donation target and yet they will come back next month and bitch about how they are struggling to keep the servers running.

        • anon

          some sites do invest that money into infrastructure, like ensuring a selection of high-speed seedboxes for upload groups to distribute files, having several servers on dedicated 100mbit+ connections does start to add up quickly

  • DutchGuest

    Paypal needs to be Nuked from Orbit.

    • Sbdy

      It’s the only way to be sure.

  • Anonymous

    so, stop using the shit service, move to something else and hope that PayPal goes down the shit chute nice and quick so everyone can get on with their lives! any service that simply freezes accounts for no reason (after years of use) and then refuses to release monies, giving it back only when it suits, is no service at all and doesn’t deserve to exist!

  • dondilly

    The easiest way out of that if both site and tracker are password protected would be to build a dummy site containing a legal subset of files.

    When paypal log in using their unique user id and password, direct them to the subset.

    Show them they are not the only ones who can play games.

    • Spamvoyage

      100% true. The first thing I thought about.

  • Voice Of Reason

    Just take the money you were using to pay to be able to steal media, and buy the media instead. Simple!

    • PirateLife!

      obvious troll is very obvious. when will you people learn that copying isnt stealing. stealing is where one thing is taken and is lost from one individual. ppl like you make me sick. when will you simple minded corporate sheeple learn that sharing is caring. read your facts etc….. before popping off like that.

      • Asashii

        no its not stealing but its illegal right, then we cant fix stupid HUH!

        • IDIOCRACY

          No not right, it is not illegal to download where I live, so… why should I buy?.. I only buy when it is good and deserves to be paid for (no extortion schemes i.e.)
          So can we please fix stupid HUH. trolling is and stays trolling, you cannot call downloading theft, because downloading is legal and theft not, otherwise you say that legal = illegal. According to that logic you Sir are a mars-man or a hermaphrodite because you can use a computer…. you see how much sense that makes?? right none at all … so lets stick to our proven logic that illegal =/= legal and that downloading is therefore no theft and not illegal…

          Glad we cleared that up yes?
          hehe

        • Shit Blizzard

          illegal =/= immoral or “bad” , keep in mind there was a time where slavery was legal

        • Wallace

          “no its not stealing but its illegal right”

          False.

          My computer copied TF’s copyrighted content just now. Nobody broke the law.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          So is jaywalking, and in China or Iran, speaking up against the government.

          And in the 50′s, sitting at the front of a bus while having black skinned was similarly illegal.

          Were you trying to make a point that the law should always be abided by? If so be aware that’s a very dangerous road.

          In this case what the law says is that some idiot elsewhere should have the right to tell me what information I pass between myself and another party. Laws like that are not worth observing.

      • Wallace

        Sharing is done with consent. If I give you something and some other random person doesn’t like it and calls you a “thief,” that person is an asshole.

    • Guest

      Most people prefer not to pay a higher price for inferior service.

    • Guest

      Please tell me how I can steal media.

      Right now I can only copy it.

      • OneEyedWillie

        Go into a record store and steal…..err..oh ya those stores don’t exist anymore! :)

      • Asashii

        thats illegal, dont like it then quit telling everbody about it!

        • Jonathon Luken

          its only illegal if the content is licensed in your country if its not then there is NO law against it.

        • IDIOCRACY

          No that is not right either, copying is also legal where I live, even from supposedly illegal source. so again, please use logic sir, illegal does not equal legal, it makes you according to your logic a dumb world unknowing oblivious person. Or if you like to be like that, what do you want to accomplish here at TF, most people here posses at least some brain cells that still function (sometimes). hehe

        • Shit Blizzard

          lol

          there’s things that are legal that are far worse than copying

        • 44546

          Eh, what does it matter who he tells. It’s not like it’s a secret.

        • Guest

          it IS legal.. if you delete stuff after 24 hours x)
          hehehe

        • xpmule

          hitting ctrl-c on my keyboard is illegal too i guess eh ?
          lets see how big a legal fine i will get if download 1 music album and do that.. at about 20$ each key press i could rack up a rather large fine for my illegal COPY lol

          vineger and water sweet heart..
          and keep the nozzle clean ;)

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Ever heard of “fair use”?

          Or are you back to where the “law” must be abided by even when it does not make sense or justice?

          Good to hear you defending all those slave owners back in the 18th century then.

      • Otto_preminger

        “Please tell me how I can steal media.”

        1) Go to a physical store such as Wal-Mart. Grab a DVD and try to shoplift it.
        2) Steal someone’s credit card and order something from Amazon in their name … although then you’re stealing from the card owner, not stealing media.

        That’s all I got.

        • Guest321

          You still wouldn’t go to jail for all that. Shoplifting isn’t considered a grave offense. But if you copy you will get thrown in jail for 5 years lol.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3WK3JNCWUEZMPMP3YVNK4XZDHY Harpreet

      Yeah,
      WASTE of MONEY on DRIVING to the STORE
      WASTE of TIME on WAITING for amazon/ebay to DELIVER.
      WASTE of RESOURCES you can’t get content due to country RESTRICTION or you UNAVAILABLE in you Country.
      WASTE of TIME dealing with ADS from STREAMING or LONG BUFFERING for LOW QUIETLY.
      WASTE of EFFICIENCY when there is one SITE that as ALL the entertainment rather then only a select few.
      WASTE of TIME on WAITING for release when one can SIMPLY just let it be View-able and get money off of ads, simple survey, and Premium account for downloadable.

      Revenue could come from ADS or Premium accounts or from simple survey.

      • IDIOCRACY

        You forgot WASTE of ENERGY from burning fuel driving to the store or letting your computer stream the content and buffer it keeping your computer longer on than needed, from Amazon or ebay to use planes that burn fuel to fly the goods you ordered instead of downloaded.

        So eventually downloading is a very environmental good thing to do, Yes I used to be a tree hugging hippie, now I am the CEO of my environmental (ECO) neutral enterprise. hehe

    • One_troll_5_likes

      You can’t pay to steal media. lol

      Hey Wal-Mart cashier, let me give you $15 so I can shoplift this CD. Scan it first, OK?

      hahahahahahahahahah

    • Andrew Lee

      I could eat a can of alphabet soup and shit a smarter statement.

      • xpmule

        no idea who your talking about but that was funny ! LOL

    • xpmule

      did someone say the server operators were downloading something ?
      Maybe they were already buying books cd and dvd’s with their paypal donation money ? But i guess they won’t now ;)

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Hmm. Pay a corporation 9,95 bucks out of ten so they can graciously give the artist a dime and use the rest to lobby for harsher surveillance laws?

      Sounds like “bloody stupid” to me.

      I think I’ll just stick with the model where I refuse to give the labels in particular one single cent for their policy of doing nothing worthwhile and cause great harm.

  • tonyj123

    There’s probably a Higher up in the command chain at Paypal snooping into bitorrent websites just to make sure his wife isn’t doing anymore porn.

    • xpmule

      MAFIAA / PAYPAL reach around or copyright bitch circle jerk ?
      I bet google is in there gettin plowed in the ass too lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/syconot Winston Smith

    Isn’t this what permission levels are for? The site operator can create an account for the PayPal investigator that can only see legitimate content.

  • Guest

    I try to avoid using paypal when possible, but sometimes it’s the only option which is unfortunate.

  • Steve Smith

    a possible way, don’t use any name in ur email that points to a torrent site, setup a game server like tf2 and set page and donation link there on that page so it can be used as a front of paypal comes and ask’s question’s

    • guess

      It’s simple don’t use paypal, 2checkout or bitcoins.

  • http://twitter.com/CloudChiller Cloud Chiller

    1) Give PayPal access on a special account that only shows certified torrents.

    Done.

    • Guest

      0) don’t use paypal – use another, better service

      Not even beginning.

  • Guest

    >Another source told us he may well run two sites. One will operate as a fully legitimate concern within PayPal’s guidelines and be set up to accept the donations. These funds will then be funneled to the second site to keep it going.

    Login to one site. Receive cookie to log into the other. Otherwise, you’re blocked from accessing it. Admins running Sad Panda had to do this when their ad provider threatened to drop them for hosting loli content on their servers.

  • Anon

    Paypal is global, well established, law abiding, they see where the internet is going and they get it. They’ll be around and profitable for a long, long time.

    DDOSing is just one more unlawful activity you can add to your proud pirate resume. While you blame law enforcement on others.
    Silly.

    • Guest

      “law abiding” LOL

      PayPal froze WikiLeaks account for no reason!

      PayPal STOLE all of their money!

      • Anon

        Wikileaks published classified information. That’s illegal in virtually every UN member state.

        PayPals terms of service states clearly their “payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity.”

        You can’t handle the truth.

        • Christopher Kidwell

          Wrong again, Anon. That is not illegal in ‘every UN member state’ when you are talking about the secrets of foreign nations.

          Basically, I am hardline on this: Any secrets = me not knowing what my government is doing in my name = me not supporting them and supporting the people who do these leaks.

        • http://p5.myopenid.com/ p5

          Major newspapers also published classified information in the past, in the US no less. No financial blockade happened from Visa, Mastercard or anyone else. How very interesting.
          Paypal often freezes accounts not because someone actually broke a law (even Wikileaks’ case is debatable), but because they MIGHT have done something. Guilty until proven innocent is the new norm. They can do this because, as things stand right now, they have a near-monopoly in their sector of Internet finances. This needs to change, because Paypal is already abusing its position.

        • Asashii

          dont like it dont use them its called CHOICE!!!!!

        • FactsNotIdeology

          Those private trackers are perfectly legal until proven otherwise by their country’s judicial system. PayPal is no substitute for due process of law. In fact in many countries PayPal’s action could be deemed illegal, since you cannot set up private militias or tribunals!

          You can’t handle reality.

        • IDIOCRACY

          Like christopher said, wrong anon, the classified information you are refering to is not classified where I live and my country is member of the UN and EU. Because the “leaked” information is not classified in our country, the site is perfectly legal, also in Luxembourg, where the EU bank of paypal is located. So what Paypal did was unlawfull, the only thin is that Wikileaks has to sue Paypal in Luxembourg in a civil suit and they of course do not have the funding and time / employees for that anymore…
          So Anon please read up on your facts, it makes you look like a dumb-*ss now and we here at TF are used to better comments of you…. or was that Nej,….. oh no both of you are repeatedly wrong in your facts, … well I am happy to educate you and the other readers about this… hehe

        • Geoffrey

          Anon,

          UN member state?

          You state that as some sort of strength of validation for your argument.

          If you wish to validate your statements, perhaps you should think of a better association. The UN is nothing more than an attempt to ensure uniform control over every government on this earth. It seeks to eliminate any individual governments sovereignty and freedom and bend them to a global ideal of hegemony and elitist money control. Gee, I wonder why there is a strong UN interest in sanctioning Iran and supporting the U.S. in invading Iran? Nuclear power? Human rights violations? Threats to precious israel? Or could it be that Iran is one of the few countries left in the world that isn’t controlled by the global elite banking cartels? THAT is the heart of the matter. The bickering, loud-mouth politicians, nuclear programs, and human rights issues are good for press releases and justifications but not what they are really concerned about. They are interested in money and control. Also consider the massive profits industries rake in during war and conflict.

          The elite have openly conspired to insidiously rule the globe via the engines of the Council On Foreign Relations, the United Nations, NATO, the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderberg group. The UN is an arm of these shadowy elitist entities.

          The UN and NATO are becoming increasingly aggressive, intrusive, and tyrannical in manipulating governments, including the U.S. government. Did you not see the shocking testimony by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey at a Senate Armed Services Committee congressional hearing on March 7, 2012? When asked by Senator Jeff Sessions about the authority to go to war, Panetta and Dempsey declared that U.S. interest in going to war was based upon the influence of the UN and NATO, not the U.S. congress. According to Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the U.S. Constitution, the authority to declare war is vested solely in the U.S. congress, NOT THE UNITED NATIONS OR NATO, or “executive actions” from a reckless, inept president.

          Panetta and Dempsey were openly and brazenly supporting TREASONOUS actions and it was declared before the whole world.

          The UN is a staging ground for the new world order. It is about hegemony and control.

          This hegemony includes the internet also. The global elite DOES NOT not like the internet or what it represents because it is not easily controlled and people have alternative access to news and information independent of mainstream propaganda distributors, ie the mainstream media. They secretly support every heinous internet regulation (SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, etc.) and even advocate for internet kill switches and shutting it down entirely. They also advocate government snooping into email and even ludicrous ideas such as email postage taxes. Whatever method is used to cripple it and control it, they will be behind it. They don’t like independent thinking. They don’t like individual development, greater awareness, and spiritual growth in humanity. They especially dislike the ability for people to organize easily. They want you do be a dumbed-down debt slave that is easily manipulated and controlled. There is a great evil behind internet regulation and copyright enforcement. It goes beyond the rights holders themselves, the corporations, and hollywood. It points back to these shadowy elites. Copyright is just another method of monopolizing and controlling. They use it like a tool. Copyright is used as an excuse to try to impose regulation and control just like all the tyrannical, unconstitutional U.S. laws to justify preventing terrorism. It’s just an excuse to gain greater control.

          This is why governments and elitists are so upset about Wikileaks. Wikileaks exposes them for the corrupt, manipulative, lying, conniving, evil criminals that they are. It brings them out into the light. They don’t like being exposed for what they truly are. They like to think they and their actions can remain hidden.

          We will drag them all out into the light.

          Whether they attempt to control us by debt, divide and conquer tactics, tyrannical laws, unreasonable copyright enforcement, wars, or propaganda, they cannot stop what is awakening in mankind. The people of this world are awakening to greater truths, fellowship, liberty, and justice. This great awakening is uncompromising and unwavering. It is truth and goodness.

          They cannot stop this awakening. They cannot stop us.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Wikileaks published classified information. That’s illegal in virtually every UN member state.”

          Actually it’s not. Wikileaks conformed to every rule and guidebook which governs any newspaper or journalist agency.

          However, we can not stop you from dreaming up a world where a newspaper exposing wrongdoing by the state – military secret or not – would indeed be illegal.

          Or had you missed the hearings where the US found that indeed, the US judiciary had no case to bring to bear against wikileaks?

          Once again, dear Baghdad Bob – talking out of your personal delusions or lying through your teeth doesn’t change causal reality.

          Nice try though.

    • guess who

      a ddos attack is direct action, like when the americas had thier war of independence.

    • Pelham123

      “DDOSing is just one more unlawful activity you can add to your proud pirate resume. While you blame law enforcement on others.”

      He can hardly blame law enforcement on himself.

      What were the commenter’s other unlawful activities? And please cite each law since you make them up all the time.

      “Silly.”

      Nobody on this planet is sillier than a TF troll.

    • xpmule

      sounds good Anon

      one more activity to add to my resume ?

      no problem.. i don’t claim to be a law biding citizen ..never have.
      I have spent my life breaking and unimaginable diverse amount and variety of laws and had a ton of fun doing it. and you know what ?
      I would get more respect in or out of jail than you ever will !
      LAW does not equal a defining characteristic of anything.
      But your incessant ignorance sure as hell does lol

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “Paypal is global, well established, law abiding, they see where the internet is going and they get it. They’ll be around and profitable for a long, long time.”

      It’s a service which feels their arbitrary rules on blocking payments allows them to forward funds to the KKK but they feel compelled to block fully legal website operators.

      And what they mean when they say they “block” your payment is that they keep your money themselves.

      I can see where your rant of sympathy for them comes from, Baghdad Bob. They seem right up your alley. I hope you’re getting a kickback for the advertising.

  • midimaker78@mac.com

    Who the fuck are Paypal to demand this? Imagine if Visa or Mastercard started telling every store owner they want transaction access for _all_ customers (even for those that don’t use their cards).

    Sites need to drop Paypal like a steaming turd, they’re obviously being used as leverage by the **AA’s.
    Hopefully people switch to cash CC’s or site owners show some ingenuity.

  • Hogspace

    Don’t use paypal. For anything. Full stop.
    It’s strange how the CC companies will bar a music download site yet hardcore and extreme porn sites, they don’t even blanche.

    • Anon

      It’s not the content. It’s the lawfulness of the content and the lawfulness of the site serving it up. Paypal is in business to make legal profit, not get into bed with copyright infringement.

      • sammyman

        lol, like they weren’t whores until just recently , lol . who’s paying them now .

      • Guest

        copyright troll detected

        • Anon

          Then call me names, lol, but not one thing I wrote there is untrue.

        • Jimmy671

          Yes indeed,Anon just popped out of his own arse.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Anon

          “Then call me names, lol, but not one thing I wrote there is untrue.”

          Fixed that for you. Well, in all honesty, if we just amend your statement a bit part of it becomes true.

          “Paypal is in business to make legal profit”

          Or had you missed the bit where one part of PayPal’s business plan is to appropriate the sender’s funds for themselves?

          In legalese that would be called “bad faith” or – that favourite word of yours finally seeing legitimate use – “theft”.

      • teenygozer

        Both the American Nazi party and the KKK use Paypal on their sites to accept donations. I am unimpressed by the monopoly known as Paypal’s selective outrage and would gladly use another service if Paypal were not a monopoly. And I do have to use it, there’s quite simply nothing else–I just make sure not to leave more than a few dollars in my Paypal account at any time. Their motto is “the world’s most loved way to transfer money” and I cannot help but think that’s a little bit of sarcasm on their parts.

        • Jimmy671

          @Anon
          “”Then call me names, lol, but not one thing I wrote there is untrue”"

          Liar, Liar, pants on fire.

      • Hogspace

        Businesses have moral, ethical and legal obligations. In equal parts. But still, they are a shower of cnuts, don’t use them. Mastercard and Visa withdrew services from Russian companies who were operating legally in Russia.

      • Who

        you STILL don’t understand how the global market works do ya?

      • IDIOCRACY

        Anon said : “Then call me names, lol, but not one thing I wrote there is untrue”

        But he does apparently not realize that everything he said was untrue, so lets call you names then…liar.. “defender of lies = copyright troll” so hence he defends his own lies….. copyright troll…

        So now I say nothing untrue..hehe lol

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        Who the hell are they to be the arbiter of “lawfulness”. Don’t we have Courts for that?

        Got a problem? You file in Court. You make your accusations; present your evidence; take your chances that if you lose you’ll end up paying triple damages and legal fees.

        That’s called due process.

      • Reality check!

        I thought the following comment by FactsNotIdeology, which I’ve copied/pasted below, summed things up extremely well when he replied to one of Anon’s other posts:

        “Those private trackers are perfectly legal until proven otherwise by their country’s judicial system. PayPal is no substitute for due process of law. In fact in many countries PayPal’s action could be deemed illegal, since you cannot set up private militias or tribunals!

        You can’t handle reality.”

        Could not have said it better myself. :-p

      • Shit Blizzard

        “Paypal is in business to make legal profit, not get into bed with copyright infringement.”

        so they get into bed with Hollywood, genius

  • gaiapunk

    I can assure you that if private trackers used Flattr they would have no problem accepting donations. We didn’t bend on wikileaks and wouldn’t bend on this.

  • Mugly67

    How about old fashion mail address and check/moneyorders, or square, personally I have never donated, never will, still get everything out there.

  • sammyman

    i’ll never use paypal again, i cancelled my account

  • John

    Fuck paypal! If I didn’t cancel my account at time during the wikileaks scandal I’d cancel my account right now!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3WK3JNCWUEZMPMP3YVNK4XZDHY Harpreet

    Paypal, What is it now really?
    The internet judge: Judging sites and making sure the have ACCESS TO EVERYTHING.
    or a Payment option: Just payment and money transfer on the internet and doing its job according to what is describe on many sites.
    or policing sites which only THEY DEEM AS being INVOLVE copyright-infringing activities.
    So this got me thinking SO only if they see any thing copyright related… therefore you can host a donation site or money revenue site that only display ads to get your money while your main site is there directs users only to there to send donation. .
    or just make sure you site is where everything content uploaded is given a code name so that it looks like a business and on another site you can put the code name there for people to find what they need.

  • Ssa

    paypal the new internet police dont make me laugh! if no one uses it then they will see the light and stop tring to be the net police!

    • frozar

      There will always be enough business on Ebay, etc to keep PayPal powerful.

      • guess

        Them forcing paypal on everyone is bullshit, i use amazon more often though.

    • CheeseThief

      Shouldn’t be a problem getting 100 million users to switch to Bitcoin, i’m honestly shocked they haven’t seen the light already!

  • Tfestate

    I pretty sure that private trackers are full of spies already…PayPal spies would just be extra.

    I think Big Content will have a very difficult time making a case against VPN service(IPredator still takes PayPal, and this is a Pirate Bay outfit).

    BitTorrent through a tunnel may be the most natural and easiest path for file sharing as time goes on.

    • VPN

      BitTorrent through a tunnel is the most natural and easiest path for file sharing right now. I use a double tunnel (VPN cascade). Speed is good.

      Paysafecard and bitcoin are good options. Screw PayPal.

    • Anon

      I actually know first hand that VPN is already (and has been) under licensing consideration for sometime now, and many of the world’s large corporations are preparing government submissions of need.

      Get caught using an unlicensed VPN not too much longer into the future and you’ll be breaking new law again. And get caught using it to mask unlawful activity?

      Five years won’t look so bad.

      • IDIOCRACY

        Where do you live? the moon?? you cannot license VPN, and for sure my government is not diving into that sticky and dangerous path of trying to regulate something that is impossible to regulate and in your words “license”.
        It would outlaw linux and all other open source operating systems, it would outlaw general public license itself.
        Do you have any idea how much bureaucracy this will generate, how much lawsuits will come from companies in general, how much money this will cost the government to implement that. It is really a nogo, no government wants to burn themselves on that one.
        So Anon, I understand you have dreams… but dreams it will stay….. oh you live in Iran… that explains a lot…. hehe

        • IDIOCRACY

          Maybe someone can persuade Anon to tell us which first hand, and which companies for reference, in poker terms it would be like calling his bluff hehe

        • Very Poor Nick

          Well said, IDIOCRACY. For well over a decade now trolls have been making the claim that encryption will be outlawed “not too much longer into the future”. For those who understand this stuff, it’s completely transparent that such dreams are wishful thinking at best and will never happen. I guarantee that Anon won’t provide any evidence to the contrary. Why? Besides the fact that such evidence doesn’t exist, he is also full of shit, obviously buffing in an attempt to scare people and feel good about himself for doing so. Unfortunately for him, bluffs rarely succeed. Anyone who is a fan of poker knows this. So good job on showing everyone you’re just a fool, Anon. And just like any good fool, you made me laugh. In fact you should change your handle to Jester lol.

        • Guest321

          If that happens, China will become the new superpower and USA will become the new China. We can say goodbye to democracy or whatever illusion of democracy we still have.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Maybe someone can persuade Anon to tell us which first hand, and which companies for reference, in poker terms it would be like calling his bluff hehe”

          No, I’m sure Anon has managed to read a newspaper somewhere where the bosses of the RIAA and the MPAA are calling for VPN’s to be licensed.

          So in that regard even a bum on the street has the option of first-hand knowledge. It comes to him through his bedding.

          I realize, however, that I am giving Anon a lot of benefit of doubt in comparing him to a bum on the street however.

      • Baader Meinhof Complex

        You wand the amsters you serve wont get away wioth this. we will be executing you on the streets of the cities. we will drown cities in your dirty blood. we will be blowing up your homes, offices.
        Corrupt government, MAFIA, cofrrupt FBI wontr save you, faggot.

        We wil be killing you and you will be screaming with agony.

        Allahu akbar!

        • Shit Blizzard

          ….. i cant believe it but i actually agree with this post

        • VPN

          I like this post also.
          Kind of like logic on acid.

        • chris_p_bacon(R.O.L.L)

          say,… i recently read a few pages of the Koran and asked a friend if he had a digital copy? so when he said yeah! i said, lets burn a copy, ok, that’s when the shit hit the fan.

      • ST

        The USA will never be able to do much against VPN use. It wouldn’t begin to stand up to legal scrutiny(hint: The First Amendment)

        Maybe that is not true in other countries(Iran? China?).

        Anyway, your comment makes little sense :)

      • http://thepiratebay.se/user/SCSA420 StoneCold420

        Anon=MORON I say someone should DDoS them Paypal bitches straight to HELL

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        Weren’t you talking exactly like this last year in respect to PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, and TPP?

        They tasted that noxious TEA and spat it out …..

        They’re surely talking all this VPN repression; but, don’t kid yourself, they’ve been eating a lot of sawdust lately; and. there’s a lot more comming.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Oh yes. Anon consistently sees things that just aren’t quite there yet.

          I sympathize. When we were kids we were eagerly talking about anti-gravity, time travel and world peace. Sure to be implemented in the near future.

          Anon’s problem is that he is standing on a soapbox screaming that in just a few years we will all be going to the moon in our cars and someone should damn well come to his tollbooth and pay him for the privilege of making the trip!

      • Guest

        Does Anon even understand that this is such bullshit he might as well be claiming unicorns are real?

        • Colin Carr

          I don’t think he cares so long as the MAFIAA paychecks arrive every month.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          We have tried to tell him this before. Many times. There’s a reason my nickname for him is “Baghdad Bob”.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf

          “On April 7, 2003, two days before Baghdad fell to US forces, al-Sahhaf claimed that there were no American troops in Baghdad, and that the Americans were committing suicide by the hundreds at the city’s gates. He made this statement while standing on the east bank of the Dijli (Tigris) River in the center of Baghdad. His back was to the river and reporters could see two American Army M1 Abrams tanks behind him on a road on the far side of the river. His last public appearance as Information Minister was on April 8, 2003, when he said that the Americans “are going to surrender or be burned in their tanks. They will surrender, it is they who will surrender”.”

          Compare this with what our dear friend “Anon” keeps saying. He seems to assume from the get-go that not only unicorns are real but that there will be wizards casting spells and scrying on suspect internet connections. Any day now.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “Get caught using an unlicensed VPN not too much longer into the future and you’ll be breaking new law again. And get caught using it to mask unlawful activity?”

        You mean for the first time ever in human history the human race and all nations on the globe will have a fully covering teamwork cooperation stemming all unlawful activity which goes on in any of those nations?

        Um, yea…that’s not exactly realistic.

        “I actually know first hand that VPN is already (and has been) under licensing consideration for sometime now, and many of the world’s large corporations are preparing government submissions of need.”

        I have no doubt that the Ifpi, RIAA and MPAA have had VPN licensing under considerations. And are clamoring for their governments to follow suit.
        Now, first of all, their wet dreams aren’t reality and unlikely to be so. But hey, in your own private world maybe SOPA and PIPA actually succeeded?
        Secondly…

        “Get caught using an unlicensed VPN not too much longer into the future…”

        You mean along with unheard-of international cooperation on a scale never achieved, you will invent magic? Because computer science can not accomplish such detection as you envision. This has to do with math and network technology, both concepts I realize are unfamiliar to you. To put it kindly.

        “Five years won’t look so bad.”

        Sure you don’t want to pull out your old argument and add a desire for prison rape to be tacked onto that fever dream of yours?

        Did you copy and paste that rant from your time working as PR staff for Saddam under the Iraq war, dear Baghdad Bob? It’s not exactly novel.

  • snoop

    Same crap will happen with bitcoin too if people will star using it more and more company grows and pressure is on like the paypal one.

    • maxalbritten

      Actually, it cannot. Bitcoin is decentralized and peer-to-peer. If Visa/Paypal/Bitcoin Foundation/Baby Jesus tells me that they think I shouldn’t send any BTC to torrentfreak, guess what? I can still send BTC to torrentfreak. There is literally no way to stop me from doing so.

      • RT

        Perfectly true. if you don’t take precautions your activity can be traced to an extent through the BlockChain. Or, if you use the convenience of an online wallet your funds may be at risk.

        But, as you say, you can send money to any person that accepts BTC. Now, all we need is for more merchants to accept BTC

        I think these efforts by Big Content will have an effect on filesharing, but the people who are willing to keep themselves informed will not have that much trouble keeping ahead of the man

        • Anon

          Now THERE’s a strategy for success. Keep yourself “informed,” boast about it openly and use tech to “keep ahead of the man.”

          The mentally handicapped are smarter than this.

        • IDIOCRACY

          I guess Anon is referring to himself: “The mentally handicapped are smarter than this” And this is actually a very good strategy for success, educate the others how to use bitcoin and use the tech because it is there to use. It needs to be “boasted” like anon says, then more will investigate and educate themselves. Then with enough users, Bitcoin cannot be stopped by anyone. so Anon, for the first time this thread, you have been right about something: “Now THERE’s a strategy for success” , at leasts one braincell is working.. hehe

        • Shit Blizzard

          “The mentally handicapped are smarter than this.”

          that’s what i think everytime i read one of your, nej or bobmail’s posts

        • Guest

          lol

          Anon’s getting pissed because he knows he’s fighting a lost war and I guess he’s out of sweet, sweet booze/drugs to dull the pain today.

        • Jimmy671

          @Anon
          “”The mentally handicapped are smarter than this.”"

          You should know,you are Mafiaa handicapped.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Now THERE’s a strategy for success. Keep yourself “informed,” boast about it openly and use tech to “keep ahead of the man.”

          The mentally handicapped are smarter than this.”

          This, from someone who regularly makes statements about reality so remote that dragons and unicorns seem likely in comparison?

          Let me guess. We will surrender or be burned in our tanks?

    • Garrett Burgwardt

      You have no idea how bitcoins work do you?

      There’s no way for bitcoins to be blockaded. Please do research before spreading FUD

      • frozar

        That is true, but Bitcoins don’t appear out of thin air. There is a real world money link somewhere. Visa/MC for example could start blocking the banks that provide bitcoins.

        • Anonybit

          banks do not “provide bitcoins”.

        • Anyone

          there are some banks that do
          of course they are not needed for bitcoins to work, but it makes it a bit easier

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          If you refer to “real money” then be advised that “real money” is just as unreal as Bitcoin. The US dollar and the Euro, for instance, are backed by nothing at all, and 99% of it never sees physical circulation.

          It’s all really a case of when people begin accepting bitcoin in exchange for services. Once that happens the same bitcoins can be exchanged for goods as well.

          Dollars and euros only serve as an intermediate in this regard. One which is only required while there are goods and services not traded in other currencies.

    • Anyone

      if you want to block bitcoin you need to block transmitting of numbers
      the only way to do that is to shut down the internet

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      What?

      The entire point with Bitcoin is that it’s decentralized. There’s no one to block a transfer and no point where the transfer can be blocked, assuming a connection can exist at all.

  • Foo

    This isn’t really new. PayPal has been known to “freeze” (read: steal) accounts used by bittorrent sites for MANY years. This wanting access to the site, however, appears to be new. (normally, they just close your account. no appeal. you’re done. If you’re *very* lucky, many months later you’ll get the money from the account.)

  • Loyd

    sounds like a pirate bay opportunity to me.. PiratePal? or PiratePay?

    • Guess

      How about flattr?

      • Anyone

        while nice it doesn’t really work for this kind of payment

  • Shog

    It is the regulation that is causing the problem. If paypal weren’t being put under pressure, they wouldn’t care about what was going on. You are asking the fox to guard the chickens. The government is the problem, they can’t and won’t solve it.

  • Sdfsfsdfs

    Do as I do, any site/organisation/product that is donated/paid through PayPal I either don’t donate/support/buy or pick the alternative no matter how much extra work that comes with it. So boycot PayPal, not for the sake of BitTorrent sites but for the sake of a company thinking it stands above it’s customers.

  • Sdan

    pretty soon you will just have to use a mail postal service and hope for the best. and i would be prepared to go that route,

  • JG

    Could they not just create a new special user class that can only access posts with a specific #FreeToShare tag? If it doesn’t have said tag, it doesn’t exist as far as someone with the modified account knows… As far as Paypal, and any other MAFIAA friendly organization is concerned, TPB has purged their database of any copyrighted work & is now only hosting GNU/Creative Common/etc licensed media that is 100% free and legally share-able to anyone who wants a copy. And if they search for something else, like “Star Trek Into The Darkness” they just get “0 results found”. Users with normal, non-modified accounts continue on as if nothing has changed, other than maybe setting up #FreeToShare files as free-bees so it looks like there is some activity on the site…

  • Who

    don’t give in to there demands people report them. DDOS’n them wont work.

  • http://twitter.com/_krawhitham kraw hitham

    Create a userlevel that sees nothing but legal stuff (use open source programs and games), name it VIP Super Elite or some such garbage and give paypal access to it

    • guess

      Or transfer all money to your bank account. Send them the following login details for your site.
      user: paypal_can_go_fuck_themselves
      password: Myaccountisclosed

  • Hippi

    Screw paypal…use a different method.

  • Nodawg

    rofl, these guys are fucking hilarious. oh god, i want what they’ve been smoking.

    funniest news in days.

  • r00t

    I had like 2 sites in the past 5 years PayPal monkeys decided to froze my accounts no reason given with many $ five years after still the same cash are there to these fuckers pockets.Like someone said above,if you are lucky maybe you can get you cash after few months.Fuck PayPal,we need a new company that actually needs money.

  • Andrew me

    I see a lot of people moving over to a new system when it is created, something like google wallet or if Microsoft creates a decent easy to register and use payment system. Maybe even visa will come up with a way to make payments easier to non visa card holders. Whatever happens Paypal will be slowly losing there clients as more and more actively seek out alternative payment methods that are just as easy to use.

    • Colin Carr

      But would you trust Micro$oft, VISA or whoever to be any more honest than Paypal?… Neither would I.

      As for using a two tier account system to keep Paypal at bay, no chance! All they need is one employee to get a ‘normal’ account with access to the full site, and the site is busted. Or to put it another way, the site’s money is then effectively stolen by Paypal to buy drinks all round for their MAFIAA cronies.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        You might not and I might not. But the hundreds of millions of average sheeple? They’d be on a microsoft cash payment service in a snap. Especially if Microsoft decided to bundle the service with their OS, true to form.

  • bobmail

    “Those demands now include receiving private tracker invitations so they can personally snoop behind the scenes”

    nothing like a distortion of reality here.

    Paypal wants to know what type of business they are dealing with, and if the products are legit. It’s the same reason why drug deals and car thieves find it incredibly hard to get credit card processing – they cannot show a legit business.

    Paypal is in no way obligated to do business with anyone. They are certainly not obligated to be the funding conduit for illegal activities.

    To suggest otherwise is to clearly show a lack of a grasp of reality.

    • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

      It’s not that, it’s the fact that corporations are not constitutionally governed, and thus can violate your rights in ways that governments are not allowed.

      • ponerology

        Corporations ARE the government(s) and they can violate whatever, whomever, whenever they want with impunity. …Sure, under the pretext of “knowing your customer” garbage; just like the big banks that continuously launder drug money from cartels world wide and then pretend not to know it was happening or tell the public..”oh yeah, it was happening and what are you going to do about it?–but who in the meantime are up your behind for withdrawing more than 10K at a time from what is supposedly your account.
        So P.P. can pretend to be on the “right side of the law” when in fact they are part of what runs the law and you can wait for your day in court…go ahead…wait…

    • hi

      But they are obligated to not steal your money – t isn’t theirs to ‘freeze’. Especially if it’s frozen because you refused to give access to your site. I couldn’t come up with a better example of extortion if I tried.

      • ScrewEwe2

        How about the porn troll extortion scams?

    • Jimmy671

      Hey bobby boy,where did Anon go,I know,he’s on a break and you are filling in for him.
      OK carry on buddy boy.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “Paypal wants to know what type of business they are dealing with…”

      Are we talking about the same PayPal which gladly shuttles funds to the american nazi party and the KKK? Because if so then they are obviously rather flexible in their ethical policy.

      Given that background and PayPal’s previous arbitrary decisions, then no, there is no distortion of reality here.

      Or are you saying you would assume good faith from a company which has made a business model out of refusing to give back to customers the money with which those customer’s entrusted them? For no given reason?

      Or, bobmail, are we to assume that this is how you think a good business ought to operate in the first place? Well, that explains your pro-copyright stance, I guess.

  • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

    I would switch away from paypal, through which I process tens of thousands of dollars a year, if I could. But you can’t easily and cheaply take international payments any other way I know of. It’s like Windows, or what Windows used to be like. You can’t do a lot of things you want to do any other way. Dwolla only takes USA domestic.

  • hi

    Seems like it would work to set up a CafePress store (or another similar existing site). Then Paypal’s money goes to CafePress, who then pays the storeowner. This way people are paying x amount for their donation by buying a $50 button or something, and it’s through a site that is in no way even affiliated to the tracker.

  • Dogfather

    It’s people trying to squeeze an eagle off a quarter

  • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

    thats hillarious, so they think just becuase they will get onto the site that they can snoop? oh please, the very first thing the admins will do is restrict content to 100% so they cant see or have any access to anything not even the forum lol. what idiots

  • foff

    Why is everybody bitching and making this so hard? Set up a website call it Charity for endowments of the arts or something like that give people a code and tell them to go to the site (no hot links) and give them instructions on how to make a donation and where enter a secret code in an unmarked box at the donation site. All paypal will see is a nice site that purports to support some seemingly legitimate charity or art foundation and a nice little donation request. In other words do the modern speak easy and cut pay-pal and their bs terms out of the loop.

    Pay pal does not have fucking all day to check every site. Corporations set up shell corporations all the time to get around laws so this is the same idea set up shell websites to get around fucking paypal. I only use paypal because I don’t like giving a cc # to some site in eastern europe or wherever and they are perfect for that. Bit coin is far to complicated as i don’t want to fuck around with a wallet and coins just to make a monthly donation or buy a premium account.

    I think pay pal are fucking stupid. They are in business to process payments and not to determine if what their clients do to make their money. They should fucking process payments for anybody and anyone unless they get a proper court order that tells them not to. Who the fuck they think they are some rouge government that can do whatever they want?

    • guess who

      call the page something like ‘culture for the masses.’

    • ponerology

      Correct. So if P.P. is threatening to do more than simply process payments, what do you think is really behind the whole idea of paypay and why they are the biggest game in town? They are not “fu*king stupid” as you claim…and they are not simply in business to process payments. You folks really haven’t thought through much of what goes on in the world..

  • MuffinTroll2013

    PayPal is the pal that makes you pay.

    LOL :D

  • Hololol

    Torrenting is out there. Will not go away will only start to encrypt everything and everyone will be vpned up a wazoo. US media companies cannot control 1 billion people in tons of different countries. Neither can paypal. Its so funny to watch the trolls try to control the internet. In the end they will fail. They tech is too good, too fast and their is too many of us.

    • guess

      Forget vpn/proxies, completely anonymous torrent programs will render monitoring tools useless.

  • Bitburger

    I don’t torrent often, but when I do, it’s private.

  • WTF

    THE IDEA OF A COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS BITTORRENT WOULD BE GREAT. I THINK THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO SOMEHOW MAKE IT LIKE HALF TORRENT/HALF FILE HOSTING SO THAT YOU ARE ONLY GOING THROUGH THE SERVER OF THE FILEHOSTING SITE, BUT YOU GET TO STILL HAVE FUN F*CKING THE NEIGHBORZ DOG.

    • guess

      They can do it without a server and plus a server could be closed at any time and the whole system fails.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Hrm.

      Freenet.

  • Fplacido91

    Paypal sucks. Moneybookers is the way. The fees that paypal charges are borderline theft.

  • KOBRA

    PAYPAL IS JUST LIKE USING ANOTHER BANKS ATM OR USING COLLECT TO CALL, YOU’RE GOING TO BE F’D IN THE ASS.

    • CheeseThief

      LOOK AT ME I CAN TALK IN CAPS TOO!

      • chris_p_bacon(R.O.L.L)

        i can’t see?

  • sfdhnryherertr

    since when is ddos a part of the issue? Only asshats run LOIC, and only fucktards are part of a botnet. DDOS is the work of scumbags. No one is debating that.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Actually, a lot of people are debating that.

      DDoS is the online equivalent of picketing.

      And the only bad part I can see is that it allows one person with a botnet to look like a whole crowd.

      And for the record? The LOIC uses a simple tpc/udp request, so you do the equivalent every time you refresh your browser window. Along with “asshats” the tool is actually mainly used for network diagnostics.

      Or were you thinking about the HOIC?

      Damn, I hate it when clueless lusers try to appear tech savvy…

  • chris_p_bacon(R.O.L.L)

    let’s not shoot the messenger?.PayPal does a reasonable job, just purchase on the net and get a problem with the product and you will find out. they may cost,but their back up is 100% customer focused,and refunds are instant when the threat of PayPal is sent to the seller. Don’t get me wrong, i do not them, but they are providing a service and that service is good. The authorities/industry have issued an ultimatum to them to clean up their act and stop laundering and pirating. if they do not conform and show reasonable results/efforts then they will be up in court which will only make PayPal cost more to use for customers. Snooping is the pits, a low thing to do, but private torrent sites are also the lowest scum. they lock out people and provide illegal services in their extreme. sooner or later this had to come, and may it happen quickly, and efficiently. there are ways around these things for determined site owners, but then, they are driven to outright criminal behavior in the process, and then the authorities can go after them all guns blazing for full prosecutions. 2013 is going to be cat and mouse for private torrent sites, or even private file hosters. it will be interesting to see this one pan out, but pan out it will and headline stuff will be made. history is being made here, this is the internet in it’s early teens, what happens now affects us all in the future. long live torrents, i’ll never walk the plank me hearties.

  • Guest

    I’d like to point that in some countries, encryption is regulated and is not necesseraly legal. So in the future VPN could be threaten as I beleive VPN is like a volatile encryption.

    Take France for instance: You need an authorization to use encryption for domestic use (http://www.opengroup.org/security/meetings/apr98/french-regulation.pdf).

    Althought that stuff is old and might have changed, it happened. So it can happened in the future too (going back to the old laws).

    Also : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography#Legal_issues

    • Guest

      jayzuz -k-rist TF screwed up my 1st link
      here
      http://www.opengroup.org/security/meetings/apr98/french-regulation.pdf

    • Christopher Kidwell

      Law repealed in France and there is a push for the U.K.’s mandatory decryption law to be repealed as well, since many companies are avoiding the U.K. like the plague because of it.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      First of all, banning encryption is a very thorny legal issue. In essence it means you ban math.

      This is why every government to try to ban encryption has had to ditch that idea. Let’s take a look at France:

      “As long as cryptography is only used for authentication and integrity purposes, it can be freely used. The cryptographic key or the nationality of the entities involved in the transaction do not matter. Typical e-business websites fall under this liberalized regime.”
      Source – wikipedia

      What this means is that encryption is for all intents and purposes completely legal to use in almost every aspect of communication you could think of.

      Secondly, there is no way for anyone to tell whether your communication is encrypted or not. You need to intercept the entire message, run it through every protocol known to man – and failing that, realize that the transfer may simply be corrupt.

      So I’ll amend your point to this: In a paradigm where government does indeed monitor, in real time, every persons communication and has the computing power to process every aspect of everyone’s communication then yes. We’d need to fear.

      At that point though, the ability to do so at all also means we have the technology to build a planet of our own to migrate to so I wouldn’t be too worried.

  • Guest

    “I’d like to point that in some countries, encryption is regulated and is not necesseraly legal. So in the future VPN could be threaten as I beleive VPN
    is like a volatile encryption.”

    Citation please. No country except France with its now abolished encryption ban and UK with its mandatory decryption law regulates encryption.
    As long as math is legal, someone can write software allowing the user to encode messages. Regulating encryption was tried in the 1990s and failed.
    For an encryption regulation to be minimally efficient, the government would have to outlaw private possession and distribution of dual use technology like opensource software and impose strict penalties for violations.
    And as long as you are allowed to be administrator on your own computer, even the most draconian law would not work.

    • Christopher Kidwell

      Actually, many people have been saying “Fuck that mandatory decryption!” law and are thinking of challenging it in the European Courts.

      Bottom line is that I should not have to prove myself innocent of allegations, the police and other should have to prove me guilty. That means NOT asking for me to decode encrypted files or encrypted paper documents, that goes against the HUMAN RIGHT against self-incrimination.

  • Rope

    I love private trackers, but this is perfectly legitimate. Why should they involve themselves with businesses without receiving adequate information about the business? The private trackers would only deny them access if they had something to hide, and if they did, then paypal is right for being wary to associate with them.

    Whether private trackers or any other online business, paypal has a right to know about the operations of companies which it associates with.

  • Roflmao

    Haha.. As if any site would actually give an invite to those guys xD

    Besides, as soon as they log on, it’s over lol (And yes, they will notice user control limits for sure).

    Say, the site’s name is: “Addict-Torrents” (for example), and the paypal guys are just seeing linux torrents? Yeah, seems legit :D

  • Gandolf

    Well, after all of this talk, who out there is going to start an alternative to PayPal? Let’s see, the market demand is there, there is no real competitor to PayPal, PayPal is disliked by many, so what is stopping someone from starting a new business to take advantage of the obvious opportunity in the market??????????? Maybe EFF could even open up something. They need profits from somewhere.

    • ponerology

      Do you really still believe in the whole “competition” thing? At the top, there IS no competition. That is how the whole world agenda is kept on track. You can’t have a thing like competition get in the way of plans. Competition is only for those schmos down at the bottom of the period.

  • Guest

    fuck paypal

  • physics2010

    Because god knows it’s impossible to segment what one id sees.

  • Kostas

    they should use bitcoin

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