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Piracy Surcharge Set To Force 40,000 Households Offline

Earlier, ISP BT predicted that operating an anti-filesharing scheme in the UK would cost £365m a year. Now the government has admitted that not only will broadband customers have to foot a £500m bill, but that burden will prove too great for 40,000 households – who will have no choice but to give up their Internet connections.

The music industry’s own research indicates that, on a ridiculous ‘one download equals one lost sale’ basis, losses to online piracy will amount to £200m ($319.67m) in the UK during 2009.

Labeling the claims “melodramatic,” in September boss of ISP BT’s consumer division, John Petter, warned that proposed measures to tackle these supposed loses would prove costly for ISPs – a staggering £365m ($583.4m) a year.

Today, according to a new report, government ministers have admitted that the costs will amount to £500m ($799.2m).

ISPs say that issuing warnings will cost every customer £1.40 ($2.24) and otherwise meddling with accounts at the behest of the music industry will add £25 ($40) total to an annual subscription.

Worryingly, ministers say that this extra cost will force 40,000 UK households offline, with BT’s John Petter calling the plans “collective punishment that goes against natural justice.”

Jeremy Hunt, the Shadow Culture Secretary, said that it is “grossly unfair” for the government to force all broadband customers to foot the bill, and noted that forcing tens of thousands offline will go against government targets of increasing Internet take-up among the most disadvantaged communities.

“We are confident that those costs will be a mere fraction of the stratospheric sums suggested by some ISPs,” a BPI spokesman told The Times, adding, “..and negligibly small when set against their vast annual revenues.”

British music churned over £3.6bn in 2008, up by 4.7%. In the same year British films accounted for 15% of worldwide box office takings, totaling £2.6bn ($4.2bn) – an increase of $1bn over 2007.

So, if this anti-piracy scheme really is destined to bring them an extra £1.7 billion extra in media sales over the next 10 years, why don’t they offset these “negligibly small” costs against their own “vast revenues” ? Because they can get the customer to pay, of course.

When this £25 charge is added to customer accounts, ISPs up and down the UK should put the amount separately on the bill as an extra item which clearly reads “Music industry surcharge.”

Let’s see how that affects piracy and, indeed, the attitudes of people who now quite rightly feel they should at least be getting some music for their money.

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  • Anonymous

    Disgusting enough said

  • Quartz

    As with most schemes proposed by the monopolists, publicity is best avoided when the focus is on who will foot the bill.

    I urge all UK netizens to spread the word and let folks know they are now subsidizing the music industry via a backdoor political tax.

  • drunkard

    BURN HOLLYWOOD! imho..

  • MeH

    Is the music industry stupid? They don’t understand that people want to be able to download music and for some people the stuff like iTunes is still too expensive =/

    Ok, we have spotify but thats streaming music mainly.

    UK tax from the music industry? I would refuse to pay, as i believe that a price increase would have to be notified to the customers, and then they can cancel their contract with them as it is a change of terms. Internet cafes will never see so many people again =] lol

  • Virotelisa

    And above everything, why doesn’t the music industry pay it themselves? THEY want filtering, THEY want the ISP’s to cooperate so THEY should fork over the money.

    But it is as the article says. The “Supposed” 1.7 bln extra revenue will all be pocketed by the corporations. Will we see music prices drop because they have extra income? Hell no. Even the 26 pounds they suspect everyone to spend cannot be converted into something tangible such as music tracks.

    And will this entire scheme work? No. Every copy protection scheme has failed so far. People can always find ways around. Unless the UK intends to become the next china i assume the impact will be negligible – and even if they do there are always ways around.

    And who is to thank for this? Out friends in the music industry, who find their own record profits still to low.

  • AnarchyNow

    Why should households have to pay for making the big USELESS media richer with this new _private_ USELESS tax like the church (jesus never existed…) did in the middle-age?

  • anon2

    same thing happening again. an industry says it is losing money, but on a much greater scale than it really is and all the ‘powers that be’ believe it. as already stated, if the costs are so small, why doesn’t the industry offset the costs itself instead of forcing others to pay more? better still, why doesn’t that industry give customers what they have been asking for for years? easily downloadable, drm free, sensibly priced media. so called ‘problem’ solved!! but no! that is using commom sense! instead, keep doing things the way they have been, charge what they like and then lie their asses off to convince governments that they need more revenue or they will have to stop producing media. then all they gotta do is get more in, for doing less! simple and effective!! oh, and f**k the very people they need to buy the stuff in the first place, the public!!

  • test

    Disgusting that UK taxpayers should finance the fat-cats in Hollywood just because Britain lacks the backbone to stand up to the UK.
    Pathetic.

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    In their own weird way the music industry is getting their dream… make people go back to the 90s where fewer people enjoyed the net and they could totally control distribution.

    As well as well whole albums because of one or two good songs.

    To quote:
    “Nothing Good Has Come From the Internet, Period.” – Sony

    Nothing surprising since it came from the music industry dinosaurs/morons, but the question to be asked is: Why is the UK govt. backing this lunacy?

  • Aerilus

    I read this as very good news its one more approach that has all the music industries weight behind it (lobbyist brides political pressure, the basic in other words) and they are again failing to make any head way thank god a government can actually at least partially realize that the problem is the music industries and not the peoples problem and that it is the music industries to solve on thie own at least that is how i hope this pans out and i hope it sets a presedent here in america

  • Phoenix

    stupid americans want UK ppl to suffer!
    stop sticking your nose everywhere US

  • politux

    Are UK citizens less free than Americans?

  • Anonymous

    Um.

    “We are confident that those costs will be a mere fraction of the stratospheric sums suggested by some ISPs,” a BPI spokesman told The Times, adding, “..and negligibly small when set against their vast annual revenues.”

    Funny. That’s exactly what 200 million in losses to piracy (assuming the “one download = one lost sale” fallacy) sounds like when compared to their 3.6 billion pound revenues.

    Plus the fact that ISPs will pay two and a half times (the payment being guaranteed) as much as the BPI will save (the savings being speculation)?

    More evidence that Big Content has no justification for what it does.

  • Rohan

    If I was in a household and this surcharge was introduced (assuming no illegal material was downloaded) it would encourage me to pirate as much as possible to get the most of this “industry surcharge”. They are digging their own grave here

  • the politics

    If you want to the media to continue to portray you in a generally favourable light then you have to play their game. They’ve got the government by the proverbials and both parties know it.
    Any semblance of true democracy cannot exist in the shadow of corporate media.

  • Moi

    so as well as making US pay for the government to ensure everyone has access to a 2mb line.

    Now they want us to pay £25 to the music industry, just “in case” we download music for free, causing the injustice of a lost sale -even if we were to go out and buy the CD later?

    w.t.f?!

  • perunat

    When will UK become democracy? Anti netpiracy laws sounds like capitalism to me. Change your leadership before it is too late.

  • edk+kad

    When this £25 charge is added to customer accounts, ISPs up and down the UK should put the amount separately on the bill as an extra item which clearly reads “Mafiaa.org surcharge.”

  • why don’t

    why don’t the music industry add that £1.40 of whatever they deem to the cost of a lost CD or “legit” digital download sale rather than demanding the ISPs foot the bill.

    oh… wait… because then people would realize were being even more ripped off by them.
    Digital downloads are ridiculously overpriced in the UK compared to other places.

    /annoyed

  • kabuki0009

    If this goes through BT can stick their service, and the music industry can keep their CDs

  • gorehound

    I hope folks will just stop buying hollywood krap new and finding it used from now on.

    furthermoer in the UK these greedbags wanted this law so make them foot the bill for it.

  • Anonymous

    There you see where your pig-headedness got you?

  • kabuki0009

    Cos next I’ll be the turn of the software industry, and they be wanting their piece of the pie.

  • One of the UK downtrodden

    To @why don’t, the UK pays more in taxes on just about everything than any other country on Earth! If you want to see the real screw over of UK citizens then you need look no further than anything connected to Cars! ( and now they want to tax UK citizens by the MILE on every journey they take too??? ) Its not just online we get screwed, its EVERYWHERE!!

    REVOLUTION PEOPLE!!

  • sam

    WHAT RUBBISH!

  • twotwenty

    Most likely BT will see this imposed surcharge as a loss of sales and refuse to cooperate, they’re not stupid people. £25 on top of a £20 service? No thanks.

  • BlueBeard

    I hope people in the UK will hold mass protests and marches in the streets. These corrupt politicians in the UK have clearly sold out to American interests and need to be exposed, if not resign their position in disgrace. The people need to take a stand.

  • nomis

    But hold it a second, surely if we end up paying this relatively small charge we can then download as much as we want? I mean if taken to court for pirating movies/music etc we could argue that we are in fact paying for the products. 25 quid for complete immunity from prosecution – that’s cheaper than a years VPN subscription.

    However, something tells me it’s not gonna work like that. When will the record companies realize that they no longer have a reason for being – with today’s technology we can write, record, market and distribute out own music all from our bedroom.

  • Somebody

    And this is just to appease the music industry, right?
    Next will be the movie studios…
    another £25 increase and whoops! there goes another 40,000 customers.
    All will want there hands in this.

  • TorrentEye

    VIRGIN MEDIA!

  • Surys

    At my local HMV store, someone has put stickers on a few of the albums there, word for word, it read:

    “STOP supporting industry attacks on consumers. Download this album for FREE via a torrent site.”

    Whoever started that idea, gz. :)

  • a/s/l

    *raises fist in a tabloid-style rage yet again after reading a TF article*

  • no

    $40 bucks a year to freely download copyrighted content of all formats and types with wild abandon?! That’s a pretty fucking amazing deal. Granted, I hate the idea that you can just say “this industry wants more money, so EVERYONE has to pay the fee… even if all you do is use email and twitter…” but on the other hand.. $40 for FREE movies, books, music, videogames, comics, etc.. SWEET.

  • Empty handed

    IF they add £25 to each customer, then that equals to an “all you can download buffet”. Since technically, you are paying them already for downloading. You are paying a “tax”.

  • IHeard

    A little while ago Gordon Brown said its every UK citizens right to be connected to the internet. They are moving most if not all services to the Internet. Paying tax, self assessment, bills etc. Soon you will HAVE to use the Internet. What they are setting up now is a method of using that facility to tax you more for what you use.

    This government uses any excuse to tax you more. And I mean ANY excuse. If the media industries get their pound of flesh the government will tax them. They can’t loose, the media industries can’t loose and the UK population will always loose!

    Wonder who’s yacht Mandy spent Christmas on? Should give us an idea where the next attack is coming from!

    Time we gave the UK Pirate Party a go.

  • Trelew

    Yet again we see the corporations and governments wallowing in their greed while the everyday person has to pay for their greed and corruption. “Just shut up and pay like a good ignorant citizen”

  • gonewalkabouts

    Vote UK Pirate Party.
    We paid the bankers- we pay TV licence we will pay any f***ing c**t that asks but not the media industries

  • Nobby

    I agree with Rohan, the moment they add on charges to consumers bills on behalf of the music industy, customers will feel justified and pirating their music. The result will be “legitimate” digital sales will fall and piracy will actually increase. Major backfire indeed!

  • That Guy From Australia

    I think the only reason that MOST people download music and films is because they catnt be botherd to go out to the shop to buy it and itunes costs too much. another think that puts me off is the fact that a very small amount of the
    $25 that i pay for an alburm here in australia actuly goes to the artist! i was looking at buying some dvd box set a while ago and it cost $10 more to buy it in itunes than it did to go and buy it at the shop!

    To tell the truth, i really dont have a problem with them adding an extra $40 to my internet bill. cos it really does cost alot of money to make a good alburm. And does this mean it makes it legal to download songs from limewire? What i would prefer to do is download all the music i want and then if i go and see someone live like “Tim Minchin” i would give him $50 for his songs that i downloaded, then i know he is getting all the money for the great, wonderful, awsome and fantastic songs he has writen.

    Thats just what i think and my point of view, and if i got any of this stuff wrong abot the whole $40 charge thing and how it works, sorry its 2:00Am here in australia. =]

  • housy

    Would cancel my subscription to BT faster than a formula 1 car. If they even tried to bill me with this…. MORONS

  • Flashpwnz

    I’m actually really curious as to how this is going to work out.

  • Matt

    With this tact, musicians will continue to make more and the labels will make less.

    Currently, I don’t pirate digital content. However, if they take my money, then I am going to take their content. What is funny, is that their content would then be taken, but the labels would not receive the money. Employees of ISP’s would.

  • Aussie

    If the music industry REALLY wanted to stop piracy, they would be paying that £500M not the UK citizens….

  • Brighter than that

    People seem to think you will know when this is coming. They are a little smarter than that. Don’t for one minute think they will put a big flashing sign on your bill that says “MAFIA PAYMENT”. They will do what they have always done. They go to a deep dingy place in the house of commons and scheme then think of a way to sneak it under your nose without you realising it. As examples which can already be proven:

    Car Tax: Where do you think most of that money goes these days? Not on the roads!

    TV Licence: Millions of this money is going to develop new technologies which the BBC want to start selling for profit. At the moment the governing board has stopped it BUT it is coming. The BBC also say most of the money goes to creating new content. So why so many repeats? Apparently, I pay £2.01 per month to listen to radio. I never listen to radio so where’s my refund? Digital switchover? That’s £1.01 per month. OK, i’ve switched so why am I paying for other’s to switch? They not paying?

    My point is we already have these types of taxes and nobody bats an eyelid because its the norm. The music and movie industry will get their money and you won’t even notice. Don’t even think you will get an “All you can eat buffet” because ACS:Law will be there to make sure you pay if you try!

    The movie and music industries will get their money but don’t hold out for a thank you. All you will hear is “it isn’t enough! … Damn Pirates!”. They will start with a small tax then, as always, use inflation to take it to a level the industries will be happy with. The problem is, they will never be happy.

  • UniverseBoy

    shit this is retarded stuff they are doing :O :(

  • Pee’d Off

    Someone setup a petition at Number 10 website…

  • Really Pee’d Off

    @44 Pee’d Off

    I’m right behind you! Let me know when its up there! :-)

  • plague.year

    Steal from the big music industry!

    Support local and independent music!

  • Che Guevara…

    the problem is that bittorent is too public… every fool is able to download movies, music etc., its really shit that they wanna charge now every internet user in uk,

  • RIAAtarded

    Bloody foolish, you can’t tax everyone for something done by so few. Yes I pirate like a mofo but I’m pretty sure my 75yo neighbour doesn’t so is it fair to tax a pensioner on a fixed income? Sorry sir we have added a tax to household electronics because break and enters are on the rise.. It sounds just as stupid doesn’t it.

    Entertainment Industry keep up with the times already. Shift you business model to an digital downloadable one. I’m not willing to bear any costs of you not being able to pull your heads out of your collective asses and get with the times. 1 Download doesn’t = 1 lost sale. We download because we can. If in a position I had to pay for it I can’t say I would choose to do so. Your content sucks in most cases so I might watch or listen to a portion then delete it. If it is good I do buy it but personally I like the option of testing it out first. Your the only industry where if I buy it and don’t like it I’m stuck with it. You can’t at least here return and open game, movie or music cd.

    UK isp and government don’t be fooled by their crap they are pulling in record profits when most are struggling to keep their homes in this recession. So keep their hands out of our bloody pockets.

  • anonymous

    As the great Samuel L. Jackson almost said:

    “Enough is enough! I’ve had it with this mother fucking music industry on this mother fucking planet!”

  • EveryoneInTheWorld

    i am an American. but don’t value the morals of the rich. nor what is going on with the RIAA or motion picture industry. while this is as easy thing for them to try n control by fear in the people all over the world. n lobby’n money in trying to influence the world it’s a shame. because they are crossing imaginary boarders. where the internet doesn’t have any. i can see there view. but if they didnt take action then more and more people would be downloading. which people are actually now downloading more and more. because of financial times, and the press seems like it’s the thing to do. spending the time, n money from your power, computer and internet service to consider that is worthy to download something. you are spending money but it’s not towards the copyright owners. they can’t setup files and get you in trouble. that’s called entrapment. cops do it all the time, but there is no way of asking are you some jo shmo sending out the file or you the rightful owner trying to make people get in trouble. it’s like drug users who continue to smoke pot, n only a few get in trouble. strict laws dont work and laws have been changed to go a different route of treating people who get in trouble. it’s not like if someone downloaded Avatar. they killed anyone to get it. it took a few clicks and maybe a day to get. while granted it’s out, it’s not out on video. and it’s a shitty copy from what i hear. no 3d and not great sound. so u get what u pay for. a shitty copy for free. i dont download things or condone it. but to those who do. it’s like getting a cassette tape of something. and you could go out n get a blu-ray version of it. i see that blu-ray movies are being shared now. but at a fraction of the original file size. and discs are like 20 a piece. and about that to buy. i think by then when blu-ray burners get cheaper a lot cheaper. the internet will be policed more often and freedom of speech will be scared away.

    but u can save yourself a little now. like using programs that encrypt your data flow. so it’s hard to detect as it runs through your local isp. and tunnel proxies to encrypt it even more. w/ up to 5,000+ bit encryption i saw the other day.

    someone said it doesnt really cost to much money to make a good album. it’s true. more small time studio’s w/ computer’s and a few soundboards (mixers), recording area w/ hook ups. and as well as sound engineering / video production all in one places.

    but anyone can make an album w/ the progress of good programs like garageband for the technologically inclined. i don’t know what the windows one’s are. but trent reznor uses garage band to make a few of his last albums. using another program to make his dts or dolby digital 5.1 channel albums. now 7.2 albums are on the horizon. as cd’s will be soon weeded out.

  • Don’tevenHellno

    How absurd will all of this become?

    Corporate communism now?

  • Dan

    ”I am the Music Industry and I will sue my own customers with the money I made from them because they bought a CD from me but they got the other Album from torrents so I will send them to jail and own the world and people won’t say anything because I’m the boss and people are too scared to complain.

  • Ninja

    The media industry fails once again. It’s clear that their ‘losses’ are a consequence of their inability to evolve and provide more accessibility to their content for sane prices.

    That is, if the word ‘losses’ is suitable here considering their income seems to have increased…

  • the truth is

    this is probably an riaa scheme to make filesharing look bad to society.

    the cause of these injustices and
    the real enemy of society is copyright law.

    copyright controls and restricts the free flow of information.

    copyright law should be abolished.

  • TerribleTony

    Well, if my ISP tries this with me I will expect a £25 annual discount on my bill.

  • B

    In other news, we all pay higher prices at the store because of shoplifters. When people commit insurance fraud, everyone with insurance has to pay higher premiums. How is this any different? When people steal, other people have to foot the cost.

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  • Anonymous

    Cool, they introduce this “tax” and i’ll treat it as a licence to download whatever I want, whenever I want, however much I want.. because I’d have paid for it in this cost.

  • Travis

    Wow, for once this makes me glad to be an American.

  • Rob

    People are getting wiser and wiser to these “scams” they don’t benefit anyone except the rich to keep them rich. I put my faith in the people on this site and in humanity itself. With the Amero on the horizon not that I live in the states and prez Obama signing off on Fema camps and 1million strong army for civil unrest in the states when people get wise to the FED as they are now by the thousands, it will only be time before the people stand up and fight back. In the states you can now have your firearms removed from your possession just because some bloke wants to with no reason (Obama gave him the power to do this) and this counts for any weapon. With all this going on people will soon revolt at any decision that the higher powers make. To be fair my 24/7 server is on sum poor neighbours connection as he/she is stupid enough to use WEP but I have more in range when he gets told off. Cannot wait to see what happens in the next decade, I bet it will be claimed back by the people

  • Hardrive

    before the torrent were tape cassettes, mini discs etc.

    When, eventually torrents are stopped for good (it may happen), portable hardrives can swap an entire music collection in seconds, this coupled with 6 degrees of separation …

    … Piracy is unstoppable.

  • Hans Pandeya

    I don’t download any music online, but if they introduce a £25 surcharge i’ll be forced to start to offset the amount of money I spend on music cd’s.

    There really are some r-tards working at managment level.

  • DK

    It’s all just Ones and Zeroes. Purely infomormation. If the content exists purely as Ones and Zeroes, it is fair game.

    Sell me tangible things and stand in front of me and perform a show and i’ll pay handsomely for the privilege.

    Sell me access to a stream of Ones and Zeroes and i’ll find that same stream elsewhere for nothing.

    If the price of Broadband is increased by £25 per year then My package will go from £35 per month to £37. Not massive but open to further pushing for more as the impossible losses will be talked about. The actual loss to the music industry is likely to be in the order of 1% of reality.

    I for one will not kow-tow to their oblique statistics and random argeuments based on false supporting information.

  • G

    If this happens, then technically nobody can ever be done for illegally downloading music.

    I know many who use iTunes, and other sites which provide music, myself included, but if tomorrow I was charged extra for something everyone else did, I wouldnt download off iTunes, ide find more free sources for music!

    I think what the likes of Sony have forgotten, is that the internet is now the Music industry, and that since the turn of napster, digital sales have been huge, and even brought alot of new bands and material into the open, campaigns such as Rage for Christmas Number 1, have only been possible thanks to digital downloads.

    Dont blame the music artists, blame the fucktards in charge of them!

  • Brian

    So lets get this straight.

    When the people are suffering, unemployment is rising and the banks take everyone’s house away.. the government gives those same peoples tax money to the banks to offset all the bad investments they made.

    When large companies complain about the fact their record profits aren’t as big as they used to be after years of a total monopoly.. government gives them tax money to offset their ridiculous claims.

    When people are starving and asking for relief, and the governments turn to the banks to lend people money.. whats do they say?

    “Why should we have to be responsible for people who lose their jobs, can’t afford their houses and can’t feed their families? It’s their own problem, they should have to deal with it”.

    I guess you know who your government is REALLY out to serve eh?

    Its not you…

  • nomnominous

    If this happened where I lived I would never consider buying a CD or paying to download music again. I don’t even want to download their sh!t for free, because it’s nothing but sh!t.

    So I guess when no one in their right minds is buying your excrement this kind of tax is the way to attempt to justify theft. Theft is exactly what this tax is.

    O the irony!

  • Gordon Brown

    They should do it in their f$$king first before trying to implement it anywhere else. At least that way our government are more likely to follow.

    Signed

    Your Priminster

  • Jared

    so does this mean we paid for any music we download now? awesome more music downloading with no fear of being caught. CAUSE I ALREADY PAID!!

  • sp

    the truth is most people will not even notice nor care. what they are proposing is to adding an extra charge of £1.40 a month to customers bill which will be labeled as some sort of tax or surcharge.

    £1.40 * 12months = £16.80(annually) * by total amount of British internet subscribers

    £1.40 is small enough for it to fly under the radar except by those who rigorously check the accuracy of their bill.

  • Gordon Brown

    I do apologise, I missed out the word ‘country’

    GB

  • Tyler

    Hey Brits, please stop hating on Americans… it’s not our fault; we hate Big Music more than you do.

  • CR

    If this means I can download all the music I like without the music industry chasing me, then £25 is a good deal. If, however, they continue to harass their own customers, it is a disgrace.

  • mike

    people will sabotage all net cable and street box cut wires etc

  • Well …

    @65 sp

    Looks like you fell for it. It may be £1.40 per month now ( if you believe that value ) but what will it rise to next year and the year after that? By the time you realise you are giving them huge amounts of money it will be too late and people will take it as a standard tax.

  • Anonymous

    I already pay £33/month for a measly 1MB connection, buy plenty of legal cd/dvd media, and do not download illegal music, so why the fucking hell should I be forced to pay this?

    Stick it up your arse, government/media industry.

  • Anonymous

    It does not matter it will not make us go back and buy crap from these corporations of parasites.

    The boycott is to death.

    All what these parasites are going to achieve in the end is to get themselves eradicated, exterminated, disintegrated and obliterated.

  • Anonymous

    If they tax our internet access I will drop my ISP to avoid paying and jack my internet connection or/and switch to wifi p2p network.

  • Anon

    Everytime I see an article like this it makes me want to go pirate something, they’re shutting off internet for those 40,000 people so the music industry can rake in more money, but what about the ISPs losing 40,000 customers?

  • Tomas

    So what they are introducing is a mandatory £25 annual subscription to pirate music? Sounds alright to me. I don’t tend to download music because I use Spotify but I guess now it’s alright, I’ll pirate them so I can listen in the car as well.

    On the plus side, people are going to be buying bigger hard drives or NAS now that we’re opening the music piracy floodgates so at least it will help the economy.

  • Jay

    just reading this, cancelled my itunes subscription and have cancelled orders for some cd’s

    going to be using the music from streaming radio whilst at home and free music like jamendo.com

    no more profit to the music people from me, got more than enough music on the ipod and the hard drive

  • BAD NEWS

    This is absolute insanity if you ask me. WOW
    http://www.ecigarettesinc.com

  • diarRIAA

    Don’t forget…to all those that live in the affected country and are in direct fire of this attack…

    YOU helped cause this by voting for the lawmakers that allowed this to happen of violation of your rights going directly in to the hands of corporations to happen in the first place, and you also helped cause this by not speaking out when you should have.

    Now…you must live with the consequences.

    I would question, since you are paying this huge surcharge, you should be allowed to download as much music as you like, or are you still a criminal if you download music and are paying the surcharge? I suspect, you’d be a criminal even if you paid for it. We are all criminals. Even grannies that don’t care about music and only know how to send e-mail to her grand children will have to pay the surcharge.

    This is truly amazing. If I lived in the UK I would be very pissed off and do something about it.

  • Hhmm

    @83 diarRIAA

    “YOU helped cause this by voting for the lawmakers”

    erm, you’ll find we didn’t, well, not in the UK that is. come to think of it we didn’t even vote Mr Brown and Miss Mandy in either!

    For all you saying “if they charge me £25 I can download whatever I want”

    YOU CANT!

    They will call the tax something else OR just not tell you and up the price of your internet connection “due to inflation” and you WILL be prosecuted if you download music and/or movies!

    They want their cake and eat it!

  • Vorsorge

    @ perunat

    “When will UK become democracy? Anti netpiracy laws sounds like capitalism to me. Change your leadership before it is too late.”

    Capitalism is an economic system and not a political government, like democracy.

  • Zoness

    People always warn about the US being the worst about filesharing but in recent months, the UK seems to be taking that mantle.

  • talorthain

    So does this meanI can download what I like cause I have paid for he rght?

  • drunkard

    The ones pushing this stuff in the UK are American corperations..
    So called “branch” corperations, they are in countries all over the world pushing for more control but the big fat hog is in the US pulling the strings..

    thats my theory anyway.. ..hic!

  • Rboy

    This reminds of me of the cassette tax. The music industry demanded a % of each cassette whether you recorded music or not. The tax is only ok if all are granted immunity from downloading copywrited material. Thus the industry would no longer be allowed to snoop on private ip’s.

    As far as itunes goes it’s pricing doesn’t justify piracy but its’ monopoly does. Anyone could open and sell music in a bricks and mortar store but try to do it online. The industry simply won’t license anyone to sell mp3′s unless you are a large corporation and can make large guarantees. The law needs to force the industry to licence anyone to sell music and/or movies online. It there were hundreds of thousands of sites selling mp3′s then the market would set the price. They would sell for pennies a track not the ,99 or more itunes charges.

  • Josh

    I’ll just connect to my neighbours internet, if they get cut off it’s their fault right? :)

  • Anonymous

    £1.7 Billion in extra music sales?
    Are they mad?

    The music industry is doing a very good job of putting people off legally buying their product for life.

  • Gavin

    The skem is going to cost so much that they might as well give the money directly to the entertainment industrys, and then legalise file sharing!

  • Gavin

    Another thing is people will learn how to buy pass these controls over time.

    The techey people first, who will teach there frinds, and we will end up where we are now!

  • Redman

    What the hell is this, the medieval times?
    This is absurd!
    Anti-piracy groups are starting to make the nazi’s looks like saints.

  • zeebart

    very good read…

  • sp

    @75
    think you missed the point of what i was saying.
    they are not going to place an £25 charge on your bill.
    it will be broken down to £1.40 per month so it can go unnoticed by the average subscriber.
    Furthermore, most who notice the £1.40 per month extra on their bill wouldn’t care as long as they still have internet access.

    they are using a tactic that has been used for years by my service providers to increase profit. whether it be gas/electric/phone/tv or insurance.

    if you can get it in unnoticed no one would know nor care, by the time they realize it, it’s too late.

  • my 2 cent car crash.

    What do you mean, you won’t pay the kings tax?

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  • United Hackers Association

    GOOD
    as in canada they are user based billing us basically to death
    when your net costs get so high that its no longer worth it bye bye.
    and its gonna cost people jobs that work for htose isps and what are they going to do?

    YUP HOLLY TERRORISM is back and its causing YOUR COUNTRY JOBS

    not to mention the poorest like disabled and such will be cut off the pipe line, boy what is one to do when you don’t have mobility sing to your self ( OH WAIT copyright….gotcha again )

    guess we need to bring about a capital style punishment for being disabled and poor and just shoot the peeps.

    NOT to mention with fewer and fewer online it means fewer and fewer people will get a view of your PRODUCT ( note i no longer ocnsider music or movies of any kind to be art and no artist or musican talks about sharing his art 1st he talks about CASH and or money )

    perhaps like the nhl union members ( players ) we should FORCE CAPS and wage freezes on actors , muscians and there executives.

    you want longer then 12 year copyright we want shit cheaper
    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY CHEAPER

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  • Anonymous

    Pay the tax.
    Then you can pirate and not be prosecuted because you have legally paid to pirate.

  • NigelMK

    Let the big music industry die. Seriously, with mass sharing and free publicity, a major music corporation is not needed. Musicians these days can cut out the middle man and once again take control over their content.

  • Lothor The Evil

    I think people are going to feel entitled to free music even more since they are going to pay for stuff they normally wouldn’t download for free. In other words, it’s going to create even more “pirates”.
    If I had to pay a tax in case I download free music, I sure as hell would be getting my money’s worth and then some.
    When will these bastards learn everything is their own damn fault? The industry is what created piracy. NOT the internet.
    In America, we would call this “taxation without representation” which I believe is unconstitutional.

  • Anonymous

    This is theft, plain and simple.

    What about the people who use internet just for browsing and gaming?

    And who exactly gets this money? I’m sure it won’t be your local indie band.

    Only corruption can explain a State favoring a minority broken business model, not to mention foreign interests…

    Outrageous.

  • lverona

    Basically, any government tax is theft. This tax, as many pointed out correctly, would make sense if paying it allows you to download anything from anything. If you pay but you still get prosecuted for sharing 2 songs with your friend – hey, that’s nasty. Then indeed, UK music industry remembered that it should be the avant-garde and decided to win USA over ridiculous laws.

  • TJLusco

    You know what, this is actually a very sane idea. I can’t speak for anyone else here, but in Australia we pay on average $50 a month for internet access, and if someone told me you now have to pay $5 (only 10%) more a month to offset the affects of piracy, I’d be more than happy too! Why? It is the only business model the media tycoons could use that has any chance of working in this digital age! Consider it a synergy of media and internet for the benefit of everyone.

    This by the way is not a new concept, a similar tax has been in place for blank disc media for about as long as the discs themselves have been around. It prevented writable discs from being outlawed and kept the music industry happy, why couldn’t the same principle be used to the internet piracy issue?

    Obviously there are massive issues to concerning where the taxation moneys would go, the international nature of the media industry and internet, independent studios and artists, and equitable distribution of moneys, but if these issues could be worked out it might be a first step in ending the constant squabbling over piracy.

  • Radiohead had the right idea

    Radiohead made $10 mil in les than a week just through donations and that was with the album being passed through torrent sites.

    http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/radiohead_make_10_million_from_in_rainbows.html

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  • Anonymous

    This is crazy, if i lived their i would just take this “surcharge” as if i am now paying a subscription to download whatever the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkk i want now.

  • anonymous

    minority my foot, man. they are the big dogs in entertainment.

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  • SL

    Piracy will rocket when people find out they are being fined for it anyway. We all might as well get our moneys worth.

  • Lillysaidmoo

    If this actually comes into effect it won’t for a second stop me from downloading stuff.

    If for some reason I were threatened with a letter or fine I would start encrypting/tunneling my traffic.

    My other option would be to stop downloading stuff altogether, but that wouldn’t mean I’d start buying stuff. I’d just use streaming websites instead :/.

  • SidiousRulZ

    This will not work! All people will do is increase downloading of illegal music and films to recover the extra cost rather than spend the money on legit stuff from the shops. When will these corporate bozos learn, probably never.

  • Dipper

    Be in the UK I am horrified to be looking at yet another TAX, yet this tax will not go to pay for Hospital or schools, no it will pay for cigars for US fat cats.

    I this does happen then I for one will not buy or watch movies or listen to music unless it comes from a public domain source.

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  • JTK

    They are taking our money so they can get more of our money? If this happens, this will increase piracy, either because people have to so they can afford their Internet connections, or because they’re just outraged.

  • me

    #109 Lillysaidmoo: “My other option would be to stop downloading stuff altogether, but that wouldn’t mean I’d start buying stuff. I’d just use streaming websites instead :/.”

    Streaming *is* downloading. If the application on your side of the connection is too dumbed down to not save the streamed content, that’s your problem. Just get a clue, and save your streams, e.g. by downloading them with mplayer. Then you’ll be able to replay them whenever, and whereever you like, even if you don’t have access to the streaming server.

  • tosser

    Ah well – that’s £25 I won’t be able to spend on DVDs… somebody’s loss.

    Idiots, the lot of ‘em.

  • tosser

    Also it’s worth noting that we’re already being taxed £6 per year to improve broadband roll-out to remote and disadvantaged people.

    Something, somewhere, has gone wrong.

  • TRYER

    Well that kind of sucks for the UK but at least you guys can download music all you want for that charge.

    I have to laugh a little bit with Madonna and all those other musicians in the UK when they open their ISP bill to see “Music industry surcharge”

    One thing we can get kicks out of=P

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  • 219

    well… if you haven’t already seen it, they’re getting a taste of their own bullshit.

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  • rab the scot

    This tax is going from the sublime to the ridiculous, the UK government is kneeling down in front of these companys music or films and say “yes no problem we will tax the british people again, they won’t mind or even notice”, but I will, and if it does really happen my PC will be on 24/7, I will download anything and everything, just to make a point. Further to this, If all these big music and film companies lowered their prices maybe people would actually go out and buy these products, but for some the price is out of their reach, ok I hear you say they are not expensive, for me no they are not but I have a lot of friends on low income who cannot afford cd’s or dvd’s, they have internet and that is a cheap alternative for them 25 pounds per month. So UK government put another 25 pounds on their bill, fill the fat bosses safes with more money and put the internet out of reach for a lot of people

  • Sensible Comment

    I believe most, if not all, of the comments seem to have missed the point.

    The ‘tax’ is NOT to offset the ‘cost’ of piracy. It is how much the ISPs estimate it will cost to implement the ‘anti-filesharing scheme’ and send warning letters to IP address holders who have allegedly downloaded copyrighted content.

    So, it is NOT a ‘get out of jail’ card!

  • Sid

    You wanna own some tunes you pay your money. you dont wanna pay listen to the radio and quit yer bitching.

    welcome to the real world where shit costs money lol

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