Pirate Parties Plan to Shoot Torrent Site Into Orbit

Ernesto
October 20, 2010
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It is almost four years ago that The Pirate Bay announced they wanted to buy the micronation of Sealand, so they could host their site without having to bother about copyright law – an ambitious plan that turned out to be unaffordable. This week, Pirate Parties worldwide started brainstorming about a similarly ambitious plan. Instead of founding their own nation, they want to shoot a torrent site into orbit.

pirate satellite A few days ago we were tipped off about a rather intriguing discussion that’s currently taking place on the the Pirate Parties International (PPI) mailing list. Apparently, the Pirates have big plans to launch a file-sharing site (torrent, we assume) into space.

The Pirate Parties International is the umbrella organization for Pirate Parties worldwide, which are active in nearly 50 countries at the moment. On their mailing list, interesting ideas, links and documents are shared, and a few days ago the idea for an extraterrestrial file-sharing site was born.

Although it is no secret that Sci-Fi fans are well represented in the pirate community, the idea is taken somewhat seriously, both by PPI members and outsiders. Forbes already took notice of the plans and in the PPI members are carefully weighing the pros and cons of their options.

So what are these Pirates up to?

The idea is to get away from current ‘restricted’ hosting facilities where the law of the land applies. Initially, a balloon was opted for as the ideal vessel, but others quickly suggested that an actual satellite would be a more durable solution. To fund the project, crowd-sourcing platforms like Kickstarter were mentioned.

As the discussion moved on the more down-to-earth members mentioned that it might be a good idea to start at sea. This would be a nice fit with the Pirate theme and also slightly more affordable. A remote-controlled sail-boat could easily carry the hosting platform and be shipped outside of territorial waters.

Although there is no consensus yet, boat, balloon then satellite seems to be a logical order of approach.

But will this work?

We would be the last to temper the hopes and dreams of any Pirate, but there are some hurdles to overcome. Money issues aside, it’s not going to be easy to launch a website in space without being bound to the laws of a country or company down below. After all, one needs connectivity, a domain name and an IP-address.

It would be a real shame to have a torrent site up and running in space, but have it disconnected because the bandwidth provider receives a take-down notice. Not to mention the logistics that will be involved with replacing a failing harddisk.

To use a famous Sci-Fi quote: “Anything is possible, but the odds are astronomically against it.”

So what’s next?

Encouraged by the recognition from Forbes and the enthusiasm from PPI members, the discussion on what the ideal plan would be continues. And as The Pirate Bay has proven with their Buy Sealand project, raising thousands of dollars is a piece of cake. Time will tell if it’s going to be a homemade balloon, a pirate ship, a satellite, or nothing.

TorrentFreak readers with suggestions are encouraged to post a comment. The previous discussions can be read on the online mailing list, and everyone can join the conversation by signing up.

We contacted the PPI with some questions and a request for comment, but haven’t heard back from them at the time of publishing.

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Glen

If they had a satellite we could all connect with some satellite dishes and share information.
anon

first
Rex

low orbit ion cannon… now low orbit satellite?! :P
politux

I say we share terrestrially.
RX

At first, “low orbit ion cannon” and now, “low orbit SATELLITE” ?! :P P!rates FTW… xD
Drake

This seems pretty far fetched but assuming it will happen someday, who will stop a country from zapping the satellite with a laser?
SL

@ 1 Satellite is one way, we would still need a way to upload and uploading is where people get in trouble.

@2 FAIL.
Oldkitty

Idea that comes to mind for a workaround with connectivity is the AMSAT projects around the world of amateur (ham) radio based communications satellites launched piggy-back on other commercial commas satellites. I remember using them in the 70s so proven comms and payload experience there!!! And I’m sure the Russians or Ariane could be persuaded to launch it.

Google Amsat and learn!
Anonymous

thanks for wasting my time with this stupid story
hahaha

i remember people donated for that shitty island, and pirate bay raised 20k+ – the island never happened but they kept all the money?

this is joke, these guys not only scam the big companies, but also the people who support them.

I wonder how they going to support this idea? ask for more donations? lets all screw the public that supports us, and look good doing it.
Anonymous

Besite a torrent site we can also put some DVB-s2 transponders for pnn (pirate news network and instate use one satelite we can use 4 (we need more cash) for global coverets
r

i read it was gonna be a Weather-Balloon http://tinyurl.com/23x5sjx
RX/Rex

:O Sorry for the double post… :( At first, the comment didn’t appear I think… LOL
Dutch Pirate

@10 Piratebay isn’t PPI. They might share a part of the name, but they aren’t the same. Piratebay is just a non-profit activism organisation (in my opinion). They handled everything for buying sealand.

PPI and their parties are political organisations, which try to reach their goals through democratic ways, not through lobbying. And in my opinion, PPI is also more serious than TPB in their goals. They think twice before they do anything rash.

Besides, this is just in a concept phase (as torrentfreak and forbes said), and nothing is going to be put through yet.

Check your sources before you make any troll-like assumptions.
What Huh

Lol.. good luck with your Tshirt drives. There are many nations who cannot afford to launch sattelites.
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Omnihil

@hahaha

Obviously you’ve missed an important fact; TPB is not affiliated directly with PPI.
Their plan to buy an island was their own, just as the abovementioned ‘plans’ are those solely of PPI-members, not TPB.
George

ooh.. come on, crypto-anarchism is much easier and more efficient.
Create a Tor torrent server instead.
hey

@14

the part you were right about when you said, “in my opinion.”

same people who asked for donations for that island, are the same people who stolen their supporters money.

they are fully responsible for that island, they supported it till donations started to dry out. Pirate bay likes to these type of stuns, just for the attention and money.
Dutch Pirate

@18

I might have been wrong in my opinion about TPB, but that still doesn’t remove the point that PPI != TPB.

PPI also tries to make a political statement with this, I think. Not only is it about launching the real site into space, but also about generating publicity and giving off a clear signal: If you shut us down on the internet, we 1. create our own internet or 2. move our communications to space.

Since, a satellite could not only be used for hosting a torrent site, but could also handle communications sent from the ground. This is also something to take into consideration here.
Peter

@10 obviously the MAFIAA posting xD They don’t know shit what they’re talking about..

Space pirates!
noko

I can just see the MPAA/RIAA getting NASA to sabotage it or something.
RX

@hahaha

Though Piratpartiet is the ISP (they are hosting TPB CURRENTLY) of TPB (194.71.107.15, eh?!), I think they are not affiliated directly… May be, Pirate Party might have formed because of Pirate bay (“inspirations”)… But they are different I think… As already said, PPI (Pirate Parties International… it spans over 40 countries if I’m correct…!) is heck a lot more powerful than TPB.. :) :) :)

@6 Wow!! Excellent point… Kudos… NASA NEARLY DESTROYED our NATURAL satellite, mOON… So, why can’t ARTIFICIAL SATELLITES?! We must prepare an “indestructible satellite” even more powerful than “indestructible truck”, Toyota Hilux… xD LOL

And oh well, may be, TPB “cheated” us by not buying… But I think they might have spent the money WISELY by upgrading their servers and services etc… :)
Rx/Rex

http://blogs.suntimes.com/shinyobjects/2009/10/nasas_new_moon_mission_ram_it_with_a_rocket_look_for_ice.html Here is the link… :)
Fugasmic

Not a chance in a million. The cost alone would kill it stone dead, and it would be a damn site more expensive than buying Sealand.

@2 Don’t you feel like the f**king twat!!!!
Anonymous

TPB had enough for Sealand they are just very selfish. I`m all for piracy if your wondering, but they are very greedy people. Take a look at all those ads, they make a ton more then the servers cost.
ahem

I always talked about this for years amongst..well, myself. My idea was “What if they built this really huge server and then just put it into outer space, away from any laws that exist on earth?”

Lot of problems with that though. Finding money to build it, putting it into orbit, god forbid the thing crashes, and what happens when you want to upgrade it? Are you gonna call Neil Armstrong or even the soviets to get in a rocket and fix it? Or what if we email that Star Trek guy that does the funny symbol with his hand and have him beam himself up there? What is E.T. up to these days? Hey I know, we could send Balloon Boy up to throw it in orbit!
Anyway, NASA is a gazillion dollar a year tax-funded project, and even they have issues once in a while *cough*Challenger*cough..Last I heard, they were having budget problems.
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@25 May be, but who knows?! Let’s hope the positive… :)

I think it is a rather wise idea to buy a small area and declare it as an independent country (don’t know whether it is possible or not!) or buy an existing country (it is also impossible I think!)like Vatican City (;P) or Monaco (because of their smaller size) or scarcely populated countries like Pitcairn Islands (wow! Just 48!!!! wow! wow! wow! LOL) courtesy: CIA.gov (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pc.html) so that the lobbyists/ media associations can’t claim/question…

though I’m kinda paranoid to download copyrighted movies, I kinda support for non commercial purposes/ personal use… :)

The Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits/ Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement kinda backfired MPAA/RIAA… So, US can’t patrol the world I think… May be, hope US (and Canada) don’t “install” “firewalls” like China… “Great Firewall of China” Golden Shield Project… :D
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@26 … Yup, that’s why I’ve commented (26) even before I’ve read your comment…

Since ET “pirated” “Alien” (not that Ridley Scott/ James Cameron (he is another “Spielberg”, isn’t he?! LOL)(http://www.thedailystar.net/magazine/2009/05/04/perceptions.htm) I hope it will help P!rates… :P
Truther

The only way I could see this work would be if every user had a satellite dish, and in order to have the world connect multiple satellites would be needed. Which would cost an astronomical sum.
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@ 29 “Which would cost an astronomical sum.”

Read @27… Mine kinda sounds like a practical/possible idea, isn’t it?! :)
Moron

“Instead of founding their own nation, they want to shoot a torrent site into orbit.”

When i read that i thought for a split second that it was April fools day.

How about instead of sending a satellite into space or siting a server on top of mount Everest, we work to lobby government, just like the enemy gets its way.

Seriously, what were they smoking when they came up with those ideas…
Erik

http://spacepirates.esfriki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
truth

At one stage the total amount of RAM in orbit around earth was under 4KB. You need to make thick film chips to survive, and avoid errors, due to high levels of cosmic radiation. This means that if you pop the top off the (non-micro) chip you can physically see each transistor. I don’t know how much shielding would be required for a standard HDD/CPU to work in space, but I’m guessing that that would be the real issue.
lulz

This is the official Jump the Shark moment…
Aunt Salty

typical pirates always running away and trying to dodge the issues

what got TPB into trouble in the first place

better to engage and confront the enemy and beat them on terra firma
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@31 …

Moron, hope you are not “smoking” while “moroning” as it is injurious to health… :)

“Instead of founding their own nation, they want to shoot a torrent site into orbit.” if not, then what is the alternative?! Seriously doing anything celestial is practically impossible because of the cost… What’s your idea then?!

“siting a server on top of mount Everest” Do ya know?! It is located in Nepal?! Dunno about it’s rules and regularities regarding copyright though… :)

What about countries like Iran where outside their country piracy is allowed?! Heck! What can we do if they too change their laws?! :(
needlez6

I like the idea of a flagship to house the torrents. Have the ship in non governed waters and no laws to deal with. Only issues are power, and how to keep power out there that long. Eventually you would have to dock the flag ship, which could cause issues because wherever it decides to port to get power would seize it. So second idea to power, why not hydro power a ship out there, water to run electricity like back in the old days. Then the only issue would be sinking.
needlez6

and the other issue would contain to both sides satellite or ship or whatever. They need to get an ISP that is ran by them. Or somehow doesnt have to worry about taking them down ever. The only way I can think of doing anything like this to find a company that wouldnt have to contend to the rules of everywhere else. Or create their own ISP. If they could have there own ISP, then there’d be nothing to worry about.
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

I think “founding an independent country” is heck a lot more effective than having pirate parties over 40 countries…

“Swedish Pirate Party Fails To Enter Parliament” read: http://torrentfreak.com/swedish-pirate-party-fails-to-enter-parliament-100919/

If Pirate Parties International’s “inspiration” “forefather” Piratpartiet lost in it’s own country’s (Sweden’s) elections, then i can’t understand the motive behind setting up a “pirate party” because taking over a country’s government is practically impossible. Even if a “pirate party” does, then it (it’s country) would probably be isolated from other nations (because of the “big brother” Uncle Sam… :( Cuba, anyone ?! So, no foreign relations = no export & import = no profit = heavy debt = collapse … UNDERSTAND !?
Anonymous

I bet RIAA can afford a Trident missile…
n65

Use cheap (DIY?) dishes to directly tune in to the satellite (no need for domain or bandwidth provider), with the actual storage and processing on earth… making the sat little more than an anonymous network hub.

It’s probably better to instead make torrent search engines distributed and anonymous here on earth.
Gargamel

Great idea! And when its hosted on a small remote controlled boat, balloon or satellite the US will say “oops! We hit it with a missile! It was an accident. Sowy! Bwahahahaha!”
Alex

Oh crap… Our HDD hardware array just corrupted!

=

Couple million dollar paperweight.
Pinoy Pirate

they should hook up with the guys from copenhagen suborbitals, i have a feeling those guys would be interested.
Anonymous

server down for maintenance
LOL HOW THE HELL…
lol

@21 I was thinking exactly the same thing. Just redirect an old out of date piece of space junk and force it in the path of it.
Ad

Because a boat or satellite providing a P2P service outside of international law would never be blown up by the US….
Anon

@ #2 you fail hahahah
alex

TPB DONATED THE MONEY that they collected from their effort to buy sealand to rainforest reconstruction.
anon

it would be more cost effective to make an “internet3″. TPB could sell the equipment and we could all connect our houses together
Physics

I know a little bit about this.

Low-orbit satellites do not stay in orbit eternally. They are gradually brought down by air resistance and other factors. For example, Sputnik I was launched into orbit 4 October 1957 and burned up in the atmosphere on 4 January 1958.

Useful communications satellites are launched into geostationary orbits approximately 36,000 km above the surface. That’s a lot, since Earth radius is around 6,000 km.

A multiple stage rocket is required to put a satellite in geostationary orbit. If you owned one, and I guess it might cost 100 million Euro/Dollar/Pounds, you could put lots of trackers on it.

The satellite could broadcast down to an entire continent. If there was no encryption, anyone with a dish could access it. However, the bandwidth would be limited, possibly far more than you think. Even with fast tracker software like Ocelot, millions of peers would be a challenge.

Finally, even geostationary satellites have a short (around 10 yr) lifetime because components, such as solar cells, wear out quickly in space.
Paul

LOL at all the comments on here :-)
Loved the one about E.T

Seriously though, there must be a better, and cheaper way of doing this without launching a satellite into space. Just get some of the brainy guys to code something down here that encrypts all traffic to and from central servers. They do it with VPN’s so there must be a way of building on that.
lol

why dont we just hack an existing sattelite and put a torrent site there. =)
much easier and costeffective
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@52… “Loved the one about E.T” Thanks… cheers… :) :) :)
jovialau

Hutt River Province.A principality that seceded from Australia back in the eighties to avoid taxes.I am sure that if approached,a deal could be done with Prince leonard.It would be significantly cheaper than launching a satellite!
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

At last, here is my reply: http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2555/myreply.jpg
Click to zoom and read!!
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

kinda lengthy…But it is definitely a worthy read… :)
Paul

WOW M-Rex, what are you on? I want some LOL
I just read what you posted in the link, couldn’t follow it, but i read it LOL
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

Sorry guys… I wanted to type here instead of doing a pic… But some of lengthy comments with 3 to 4 links are not appearing… Glitch?! Or is torrent freak purposely blocking comments with many links?!

Anyhow, ” think MANY (AND NOT “MAY” …LOL) have already come to the same conclusion too”
Anonymous

If we all became space pirates, Samus would fuck us up. :(
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@59

Can’t read fully?! I’m the one who follows this:

“Think like a wise man but communicate in the language of the people” – William Butler Yeats

So, I don’t use complex/confusing words… :)

Here is a short one:

“Look… USA is like a “big Bad” Uncle (SAM) and even “the three pigs” can do nothing (at least… Not that much easily…!) Heck! USA itself must realize and change… That’s all!!! :)After all, we Canadians are not located in America… Only USA is the “America” and their people are the “Americans” …!”
wootsauce

buy sealand to host the domain info and then servers in space! beaming down glorious torrents to the world below!
anon

I say it’s bullshit
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

Even tried PTB’s “babywords” but my entry is not appearing for viewing… Just a blank page… I can only edit but i can’t view… Ridiculous, isn’t it?! LOL So, I think I can’t use it… Thinking to prepare a blog entry on Y! Pulse/Profiles… I think I’ll provide a link… :) So sorry for not posting text links so that you can copy and paste… :( :)
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@61

“buy sealand to host the domain info and then servers in space! beaming down glorious torrents to the world below!”

WHAT CAN WE DO IF USA NUCLEAR BOMBS (HYDROGEN BOMB?! WHATEVER! LOL) OUR “PIRATE COUNTRY” ?! Remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki?! :’(

RIAA + MPAA = lots and lots of $$$$$ So, USA Government, NASA and FBI would do anything for ‘em… May be, this “backfire” is a temporary set back for the media industry… That’s all… They will definitely resurrect from this set back and fire with full power… Mind it!!!
Anonymous

If they did anything in international waters I’m sure the riaa would arrange an accidental sinking
Someone

Why not just create an island instead? Not from rock, but a man-made one with platforms that interlock together. Imagine the movie ‘Waterworld’, but with better materials and structure. Have a small building for vertical farming (for vegetables), use fans and solar panels for power (or whatever… hydrogen driven generators), fish for food, and have a team run the computers. If the platform is wide enough, it shouldn’t just tip over in a storm. Make the entire platform out of pieces that flex on hinges so it moves with the waves, etc. etc.
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@65 yup… Exactly… :) Not even “accidental” … They’d publicly do it without any shame AND BRAG ABOUT IT… :(

Not even in “universal waters” …! Look… We are dependent on “donations” to do each and everything… Even if we receive lots and lots of “donations”, and even if we spend wisely without doing another “public stunts” (unlike TPB and others), how many thousands/millions can we receive?! Heck! Even if we receive BILLIONS and buy a “Seattle” and a “satellite”, we all know… “If they did anything in international waters I’m sure the riaa would arrange an PUBLIC INTENTIONAL sinking” Even if we send our “pirate satellite” to some BILLION LIGHT YEARS and receive without any “earthly” land, NASA and the US could go some VIGINTILLION LIGHT YEARS because they have lots of $$$$$$ and they those “alien technologies” (shhhh “top secret…! LOL)That’s their profession… Even other countries help NASA… Remember “Water in moon” ?! I think some southern asian country (India?!)helped NASA… PPI is also not that much “rich” to even buy a satellite I think… LOL

Remember “Nine Movie Sites Busted in Pirating Crackdown ” http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703426004575339120611859094.html?mod=WSJ_Tech_LEFTTopNews ?!

MOST OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY “STREAMING” WEBSITES (JUST LIKE YOUTUBE, DAILYMOTION ETC!) … So, what about “downloading” websites?! Heck! Google’s “clients1.google.ca” publicly “suggests” ( http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9880/googlebay.jpg )to search a “torrent” but they oppose TPB and not Google… That’s our “democracy” and that’s our “secularism”… ;’D

Just search all the famous movies… It will “suggest” you… LOL Just “search” a movie… It will also do the same… After all, we are not new to “google bombs”, are we?! What about Bieber and North Korea?! 4chan1 ;D

Well, this “Pirate bay international”, “pirate satellites”, “pirate “independent” countries” etc all are TONS AND TONS OF BULL SHITS… :’( Sorry to say that… But let’s face it… That’s the TRUTH… Unfortunately… :( That’s why we people “globally” supported Obama… Just to hunt down file sharing websites instead of improving the great depression (*cough cough* “recession” … LOL)and there by helping other countries to recover from “global recession” …!

“Economic storm may not be past” “Ever feel like you’re living in the calm before the storm? That may be because you are.” (ooooooooo! o_0) http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/michael_dentandt/2010/10/08/15635951.html “
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

oh! I’m the one who has typed @67… Forgot to type my name… LOL

And I’ve found out how… Just remove “http://www.” ! :D

So, here are the links to my “image entry” (LOL)

1) abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=4242354&page=1

2) fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/10/16/david-frum-asking-why-america-did-not-support-canada-at-the-un/

3) canada.com/news/Canada+lost+seat+because+lacked+support+spokesman/3673304/story.html

4) ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101015/national/un_canada_us

5)books.google.ca/books?id=zd_WTZZjvqkC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=Charlie+Thorson+and+the+Temporary+Disneyficationof+Warner+Bros.+Cartoons+by+Gene+Walz&source=bl&ots=fQ3Qx6t6Um&sig=x3kBtqh2m_L6suRrWNtu4juQ02Y&hl=en&ei=fIO_TKfGAoGisAPhgPH-BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

6) (my favo(u)rite!)
amyletinsky.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/canadian-american-flag.jpg

And @66 They want $$$$$ and they don’t want people… Unfortunately… :(

torontosun.com/comment/columnists/michael_dentandt/2010/10/08/15635951.html

“Britain’s economy is at risk of a “double-dip” recession and may not recover fully for another five years, Kenneth Clarke warns tomorrow.” guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/oct/02/kenneth-ken-clarke-economy-tory-conference
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

heck! where is my then “67th” comment “Anonymous” ?! :(
Vyp

Torrents in space maybe once we perfect space travel.. I really like the idea of a remote controlled ship in international waters… Bring it on! Id be happy to donate some well needed cash for that venture…
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@71 …. PLEASE READ 68… thank you… Unfortunately it is of NO USE… :’(
Jay

Heh, that was pretty funny.
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

dictionary.reference.com/browse/vigintillion

“a cardinal number represented in the U.S. by 1 followed by “63 ZEROES”, and in Great Britain by 1 followed by “120 ZEROES.” ”

Wow wow wow!! Even in naming numbers, USA and England varies… Awesome!! keep up the good work… xD xD xD Lmdo (“laughing my off) LOL
Randy Seifer

Doesn’t “safety in numbers” apply? Having a population of people around you would seemingly be a deterrent to missile attacks that a government could be coerced into launching. Yes, we are that crazy, so why not others? The future awaits. And it’s real scary.
General Snus

If they need somewhere to launch a satellite, I bet the student rocket project at The University of Alaska Fairbanks might be able to help… UAF is the only university with the ability to launch its own rockets in the world, with NASA space grant and everything. Dunno if they’ve ever put anything all the way into orbit tho… afaik they usually just send rockets up with stuff to collect data in the atmosphere.
Wooopie!

B O R I N G !
Ettan Gold

Here’s an idea – how bout Antarctica? I think there’s an international treaty that no nation can claim it or something…. might be worth looking into.

It would probably be a lot easier to host something there than in space, and you could actually run an undersea fiber there to connect to the internet.
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@75 … Dunno about others.. But here, “divide et impera” (a.k.a divide and rule (wesbter!!) is correct… Not in the negative sense… but in a positive (at least for commons and hardcore pirates!)way… :)

Look… If people are spread, it would be difficult to “bomb” them… Even though they might have enough “ammo”, it would take some time at least…

But if we (commons (me!) and hardcore pirates) think to “unite and rule”, alas! A SINGLE BOMB IS ENOUGH! …unfortunately… :( :( :(

Once again I’m repeating… They are like Terminators… They want $$$$$$ and more $$$$$$$… They do anything and everything to get more and more $$$$$$… Simple as that!! :)oh! “:(” LOL

They are born to dictate and MASS MURDER RELENTLESSLY if they see any “revolt” / “rebellion” or “payback is a bitch” (4chan way! LOL)

Heck! Even in Terminators might develop a “heart” … But definitely not these “media giants” and “officials” I think… Heck!! :’( :’( :’(

PS: yup i kinda overuse ellipses … :D
Anonymous

I’ve got a better idea.

Instead of a satellite, make it a blimp. Seriously.

Basically just take a server, add a little bit of radiation shielding, and rig it up with one or more wireless communication devices plus some batteries/solar panels. Then attach a balloon or balloons to it and let it fly. Oh, and make sure it’s capable of landing itself(via a mechanism to slowly deflate the balloon(s)?) as well as generally moving under its own power. Propellers taken from a largescale RC aircraft would probably accomplish that well enough.

The advantages to this over a satellite would be that it should be much cheaper, you can have it land for ruitine maintenance, and it can be remote controlled to fly wherever. Like over internation waters. Or away from a storm.

It’d be a Torrent air(pirate)ship. And as outlandish as it might seem, it’d be alot more practical and affordable than a satellite.
Bitchze

How about spending the money on political reform?
biggmatt

move to Somalia
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@ 76: http://www.google.ca/search?q=University of Alaska Fairbanks it is located in the USA… ARE THEY READY TO OPPOSE THEIR OWN (underline that!) GOVERNMENT?! I don’t think so… :)

@ 77 yup … Kinda to type the same thing again and again because people are not understanding that much quickly… :( ;D LOL

@ 78: “think there’s an international treaty that no nation can claim it or something”

quoting my own: “NO COUNTRY (including the powerful “European Union”)is having ENOUGH GUTS to oppose USA’s dictatorship.. Heck! USA is our “modern” 21st century “Imperial” England… :(”

remember “the 10 commandments” Ramses ?! “So let it be written, so it shall be done.” Dunno whether it applied to “Ramses” himself… But it definitely appears to be true regarding the US… Nobody/nothing can stop US… UN?! It is located in New York, ICAN?! California. Just nothing can stop them except the word “nothing” … That’s the truth… :(

That movie is a joke… It says Ramses was the “villian” and “Nefertiti” was the wife of “Ramses” instead of “Nefertari” If I can remember correctly, I’ve even seen “Nefertiti” instead of “Nefertari” in the movie’s closed caption itself… LOL Heck! May be, if the “Avatar” was released before 1956, they’d have said she was “neytiri” xD Want Ramses’ sleeping (oh! not dead! as Egyptians say, he will arise/resurrect… oh! don’t make fun of them… here is ramses’ body… where is Jesus’ ?! :P LOL) body?! here it is!! If “scientists” examine “Ramses’ mummy” instead of an “imaginary” Nefertiti’s bust (dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1313409/The-ancient-Egyptian-facelift-Beautiful-Queen-Nefertiti-bent-nose-wrinkled-eyes.html) we could find something useful… :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/RAMmummy.jpg (hope this is REALLY Ramses… LOL)
needlez6

Another idea would be to set a satellite up still within the earths ozone layers just before space. it wouldn’t burn up as fast plus closer to actual connect point so a little faster. The only major issue is an ISP still. What can they use to get around this issue??
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@82 …. wow! Solami(an?!) Pirates ftw… LOL

But seriously, even if they host “torrent sites” and even “the required sources” (like mulve and some russian facebook (:P)), they can’t escape… BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST MILLIONS… BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS… A CASH COW … “a milk cow with 310 SEXTILLION (ah! not “that” “sex”… 10^21 (US) or 10^36 (UK) LOL) tits” as Mr. Alan Simpson says… Ahhh! I don’t make fun of women… Feminists… :D LOL

@ 80, “blimp”, SERIOUSLY?! If they can shoot SATELLITES (even the natural ones, “moon”) what about “blimps” ?! :(
Wanged

I heard that China have a special on satellite launches.
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@84 … Read 85…

heck! Torrent freak is not accepting “spaces” … So, lets add “pluses” LOL

google.ca/search?q=University+of+Alaska

@86 Aren’t China and US buddies?! Some james bond movie (“Tomorrow never dies” ?!) says so… LOL Even Russia is not having enough guts to oppose USA recently… :(

Common on, LETS FIND SOME USEFUL SUGGESTIONS… It’s already 12:45 am here, and so, I’m gonna zzzzzleeeep zzzzzzzoooooonnnnn….
:D :D :D ;P

Heck… McA”fee” site advisor flags this site yellow…

siteadvisor.com/sites/torrentfreak.com Hope Ernesto writes in “owner’s column” about the safeness of this website and clears the world… :)

“In our tests, we found downloads on this site that some people consider adware, spyware or other potentially unwanted programs.” It even flagged “softpedia.com” a kinda most visited download site just like download.com …!
Hey… Wait a sec… Today it even said dictionary.com is a malware site!! img34.imageshack.us/img34/8054/woot111.jpg

But go to siteadvisor.com/sites/reference.com it will say the opposite… LOL “We tested this site and didn’t find any significant problems.”

But it says “experts exchange” and “registry winner” are not only “safe” but also “McA”fee” “Secure” … LOL

“Web Of Trust” is faaaar better than SA… But sometimes it malfunctions too… :(
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M-Rex (RX/Rex)

Aren’t China and USA buddies?! Some James Bond movie (possibly “Tomorrow Never Dies” ?!) says so… LOL But honestly, because of lots and lots and lots of yuan (yen is Japanese?! LOL)because of foreign exchange (I think “Made in China” and “Made in Japan” are internationally more popular than “Made in USA” LOL) Guess what?! IBM’s “prestigious” Thinkpad series are Lenovo’s … Another Chinese company with lots of yen… sorry… “yuan” … LOL

Even Russia is not having enough guts in the 21st century… :( Like I’ve already said, this 21st century goes to “imperial USA” … :( Well, I don’t boo USA… But I only insist this: “Don’t misuse/overuse your power, USA…!” that’s all! :)

Well, hope you guys suggest some useful suggestions… I’ll read after waking up… It is already 1:00 am here… :( Zzzzzzleeeppping time….. LOL xD :P
neostyles

The only thing that is astronomical is their arrogance. This stuff is really getting out of hand.
Anonymous

an impossible piece of bullshit if u ask me, remote controlled ship? weather balloon? space? lmao these geeks r full of shit. wake up and get fucking real instead of wasting valuable time with retarded ideas like this, come on how silly is this? u’d need way more than 20k just for a ‘ship’ and remoted controlled? wtf people really WTF!!

u make us all look like idiots with stupid unthought out ideas like this, shame on u useung the pirate flag for this silly silly crap
Anonymous

I guess that’s a possible solution but there’s always the possibility that a “misfired” rocket hits the thing. XD
Lakawak

I can’t believe people are talking about this as if there is ANY chance of it happening. YUes, we know that The Pirate Bay is not PPI, but the failed attempt tp buy Sealand showed that pirates are not willing to give up their money. If they were, they wouldn’t pirate! Yes, I know…you all CLAIM that you pirate for noble reasons, butthe fact remains it is just becuase you want stuff and aren’t in a position career-wise to afford it. So no one is donating the ridiuclous amount needed to launch and maintain a satellite. But back to Sealnad for a second…The Pirate Bay NEVER actually planned to buy Sealand. That was a scam from the very beginning to raise money for themselves to keep. And a few suckers fell for it.
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David

The idea is briliant on a conceptual level.

But practically its not a good idea due to technical limitation == costs.

Putting an object in space is extremely expensive, also you cant just put a regular server in space, you need radiation hardened components, etc..
No Intel CPU’s no DRAM, etc….
For example some custom CPU + MRAM would be a good hardware, but well, custom IC’s are very expensive.

The costs for such project would be around 100-200 Milion € per satelite, and for global coverage you need 3.
Thats 500 million € at least.

Also the only practical way this will be Law Proved ;) is to give/sell a satellite transponder to each user, so that they can access the satellite directly.

My point is thats a great idea, but the money is much better spend on campaigning, lobbying and buying off politicians to promote pirate friendly legislation.
Anonymous

The boat would have an unfortunate “accident” in no time.
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Piratey

Piracy is the future people!
Frank

Wireless mesh networks
pablo

WHAT happened to Scenetube.net??? Been down for days, anyone here can help to find out.
anon

http://www.virgingalactic.com/

is the answer =P 1 ticket, 1 server, throw it out the window and bam!
meh

how about instead of donating money and then downloading films etc you just buy the dvds, cds, whatevers.

Just a thought.

Or here’s a good one… donate money to look at buying out a media company instead… then close it down so they can’t take anyone to court… or setting up a record label paying artists to create music to be given away free thru torrents whilst letting them have a living wage…

so many better uses for any money than not buying sealand or trying to launch satellites.

The big question IS:

Do you believe in the idea of a new media world or do you just like getting stuff for free and “sticking it to the man”.

No wonder advocates of new media distribution aren’t taken seriously when bullshit like this appears.
Erm

Fail.

Years of trying to become credible, and they still pull stunts on a herpderp level like this.

Sad.

Stay on earth, both with your ideas and the attempted solutions.
The whole POINT is to decriminalize stuff HERE, not shoot sh*t into outer-space.

YOU ARE NOT THE PRODIGY!
anon

@96

Answer is simple: Free speech.

Do you want a world where everything you do, everything you say is monitored? The more the gouvourments wins, the more this is becoming a reality.

This is the internets way of fighting back.
dun dun dun

Sealand isn’t sovereign anyway, it belongs to the UK. They could ignore it for a while longer, but they could always shut anything there down, too.

All terrestrial possibilities have not been exhausted. Belarus, Kyrgyzia, Bhutan, Micronesia, Kiribati, Lesotho… the list of possibilities is long.
OMG, there’s a rusty catheter in your anus!

All you need is a decent yacht with a bunch of servers, a satellite connection and an ISP funded by the PPI – I’m sure it would cost much less and heck, it might actually work as long as the darned thing sails in international waters. If every “pirate” donates just 1 Dollar or Euro, we could buy a fleet of these things strictly for backup hahaha…

Die, MAFIAA – die slowly and painfully. <3
Pirate and proud!

@10 – We just like screwing the mafiaa and their ilk over and watching them squeal and squawk. Pirates are innovative ya see and don’t sit back thinking the world owes them a favour.

Pirates like to push the world forward and not hold it back.

onwards and upwards @10!
internetjoe

To me, this seems more like a scam, similar to the ones practised by Scientologists and the like.

“Be a pirate”..”give us your money”..”we’ll put a server on a satellite in space”..”fight the power yaddi-yadda”

Yeh right, not falling for it. If you’re going to spend your hard-earned cash, buy yourself a filehosting account.

For a few bucks a month, you can max out your bandwidth and download as much as you want, with no need to upload anything in return. This means not having to learn useless torrent tech-terms, not having to deal with prickly site-ops/moderators/fickle rules, no more ratio problems, nada. Just drag and drop in JDownloader and you’re done. Give it a try and you’ll never even bother with torrenting again.
dun dun dun

@ham packet internet: good idea actually, and hams might agree to share sat costs and space with torrenters

@australian separatist republic: or Transdniestr? A better choice would be the no-man’s-land between Sudan and Egypt, bill it as economic development. If you talked sweet you might get China to let you set up a server farm in Aksai Chin, too. India would hate you, but so what.

@antarctica: the treaty is no one owns antarctica and no military operations are allowed. in fact, the military runs antarctica, mainly the us military but also nz and russia, and chile and argentina. the deal is, if you can get there, you can do it. support and logistics is the problem. an undersea cable is rather fanciful, but chile put a payphone booth in down at their colony, so maybe.

@yachts, barges, blimps: most realistic options. oil platforms are either anchored in national waters or floating in international, either way, not good. a supertanker would be cool. you could also try it on a cruise ship i guess, and fund the torrent superserver from tourists? under admiralty law the US et al couldn’t attack it in international waters, so who’s the pirate now?

@satellites: shielding from cosmic rays and solar coronal ejecta isn’t THAT expensive. the expense is getting it up and setting up downlink stations. again this involves national jurisdictions.

@myself: why not host a copy of the internet on the moon or mars? a backup copy. mars to earth would have a delay like 6 or 8 minutes if speed of light, the moon should be quite a bit faster.

@myself2: why not create a new technology entirely, an internet based on quantum communications or something, that bypasses national, international, chemical, molecular, atomic boundaries? neutrino torrents, traveling thru the earth at the speed of light, unstoppable! or maybe some smart clever fellow could create a workable tachyon torrent system, so that as the particles travel backward in time, your complete torrent arrives a little before you start it :)
mohamed

am willing to chip in :P
Anonymous

OMFG THIS IS THE FUNNIEST THING I HAVE EVER READ IN MY LIFE NOT JUST THE ACTUAL TOPIC BUT ALL YOU FOOLS COMMENTS. PLUS AS IF GIVE A F**K ABOUT A LAME A$$ SITE LIKE TPB YOU ALL SO AMUSE ME!!!… LAMMERS!!!!
anon

Lol it will never happen. They will never allow it. We could do all kinds of damage from a satalite.
Why doesnt the movie studios release there own release site i certainly would pay for proper films granted it has to be cheap enough to get our attention but things like love4films and netflix arnt working all because people like warner bros wanna release in America first then hit other countries weeks sometimes months later. If you released a movie on cinema in 3d and on the same day released the same movie for blueray download and normal download, it would wipe cam copies off the face of the earth. Of course anyone would pay more to see it in 3d. So im not so sure the cinemas would suffer and if they did who gives a shit. We are moving on in history things change rapidly. Maybe the consumers preffer to watch at home i know i do i havent been to the flicks for over 10 years now my 50 inch tv and sony sound system would beat the pants off a cinema anyday. I guess my point is maybe its time to let the cinemas die or only offer 3d films that way we can get the releases quicker. Granted there will still be piracy but i bet they make more money now than what they were making before and if the price was right people wouldnt need to pay for filehost accounts just pay warner bros for the download but that aint gonna happen this world is driven by money and bad politics never mind what the people want. When warez and torrents eventually stop (LOL) i will boycott cds,dvds and not buy them i will then start to rent them and copy them.
Another question you dont see programmers whinning about there work being on warez etc and if they do they only whine because of the way it was cracked.
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internetjoe

@ #106 anon : []my 50 inch tv and sony sound system would beat the pants off a cinema anyday[]

Really?!? You seriously believe that? Your consumer hardware is better than pro equipment? So let me get this straight, your hardware dvd/bd player connected to your tv gives a better quality image than a film print on a cinema projector. And your sound system makes better sound reproduction than pro speakers calibrated by sound engineers. Sure, totally makes sense. Just like my dog just crapped gold.
Whatever

The most viable setup would involve a few satellites and a setup like satellite phone. All communication encrypted ofcourse. As it only serves to up/download torrents or hashes, it won’t need too be very complicated (but a factor 10 too powerfull won’t hurt). Administration can still be done remotely. Anyone can download schematics, buy DIY PCB’s or built communication devices which will make it nation independent. (and it can be launched with “sealaunch” in international waters).

Conceptual it isn’t too difficult, however any satellite solution will require a way of communicating with the ground. And thats were the trouble starts.

The following measures can be taken against it (some extreme):
1. By the time the satellites get launched the MAFIAA sends in the government to cease the equipment.

2. In many countries it will be forbidden to build, buy, sell or have schematics of a device connecting to a “torrent sat”.
(Like radar detectors or R4 cards).

3. Countries start flooding the frequency to shut them down.

4. The admin password is hacked or satellite attacked by means of exploits or DDOS like attack. (It can be countered a bit but there is always a weak point like UK prison time to disclose passwords)

5. Satellites can be shot down and the US just might try.

6. All admins may be arrested.(although it won’t take out the satellite until it fails)

7. IP addresses will be used to drop in on filesharers and use the satellite devices found as evidence.

8. ….. probably some other possibilites which takes some more time to think about …..

However, in the end if they would actually succeed in launching, it would generate so much publicity that this pandora box can never be closed again by the MAFIAA. This would be much more effective than a DDOS to get attention from politicians.

Aside from the technical and theoretical above i don’t think it will ever happen.
FuzzyX

Either they can support file sharing and operate within the law created through democratic principles.

Or they can be pirates along with run, hide and attack due to law violations.

Better to fight while still on land. This is only a stunt anyway when such a remote torrent site would never have a fast enough data rate.
anon

@ 107 The main point was that most consumers are happy with what they have got at home. My home system im very happy with it might not be better than the pro big screen but at least i know im not gonna get hit with £6 popcorn and £4 drink charge (yes i know you dont have to buy them but everyone likes a drink while watching a movie wheather its coffee or coke) and i can smoke in the comfort of my own home also i dont have to put up with any kids throwing popcorn or making noise. Cinemas in my eyes are a dying trade and thats why they bought this terrible 3d out to drive sales. I have a full 3D tv and i never use it had sky 3D for a month but it just became a gimmick so i canceled the plan. When you weigh up the pros and cons for cinemas they aint that great anymore. Think about it.
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Anonymous

Meh.
Why go to all this trouble?

Launch mpaa, ifpi, riaa and brein into orbit. Watch them suffocate from lack of oxygen and die – LIVE

Problem solved!

hahaha!
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Splice

how about, starting a company wich would provide internet? There is a possibility to make a little money, for further projects.
I would choose a internet provider, whos goal where to make everything on the www free and availible. At least it could be a start, and then build from there, i know you would rather do donations, then making money, but internet will not be free anytime soon, and a good provider in the future, could be a valurable resource for many people.
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Anonymous

@M-Rex

If even satellites can be taken down, then they aren’t really any safer than a blimp, are they? So why *not* a blimp?

Again, it’d be cheaper and more practical. Plus if it got downed by acts of nature or Alex Crossley in a Hind D, it would be way, way, WAY easier to replace than a satellite.

@Lakabrain
“the failed attempt tp buy Sealand showed that pirates are not willing to give up their money.”

Really? So how do you explain the $20,000 that pirates donated to buy Sealand? Does $20,000 not even count as money? Are you ignoring it because it totally contradicts you?

@Lakabrain
“But back to Sealnad for a second…”

hehehehehehehe!

@Lakabrain
“The Pirate Bay NEVER actually planned to buy Sealand. ”

So it was all just a vile plot to give the money away to help reconstruct the rainforest? DAMN THEM. DAMN THEIR BLACK HEARTS!
Matt

Sounds like a wonderful scam.
I’m pretty sure you can easily grab a house and a sport car with such doomed to failure project.
Also, even if they actually manage to do it, then what ? RIAA sends spaceships to take down the satellite, real star wars begins, and file sharers become the rebellion against the empire. Wait, who wins at the end of star wars ? Ok, then, do it guys!
anon

why is everyone getting hyped about $20,000?

I mean come on, there was reported 12,000,000 (12 million) users on TPB, this was a while ago to, numbers must have risen.

If you divide $20,000 by 12 million (users) thats not even 1 cent each. So really, $20,000 was a very very small amount of money
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Bob

It wouldnt work……How many sats would you need to get global coverage? One sat would cover most of Europe only…..What about the rest of the world?….USA wouldnt get a look in. VERY VERY expensive to get global coverage.
phishybongwaters

Completely retarded, why do you keep giving these moronic ideas press time? We KNEW they wouldn’t actually “buy” and island. We KNOW they won’t “buy” a satellite.

It doesn’t matter where on earth, or in orbit, you place your “site” you still need to be connected to the internet. Simple as that, not going to happen.

Beyond that, lets say they launch a balloon or satellite. What exactly is this going to be running? Servers? Tracker? What happens when it fails? How are you going to replace ram, or a hd, in that? Do you even know what it costs to get something into space? Let alone the cost of the satellite itself?

Balloon or ship is more realistic, but a balloon is subject to air currents and simply not an option. Even with the ship, you are still going to have to be linked to an isp, which will be bound by laws.

It’s just another scam to get more media attention to jackass stupid ideas that make us all look like idiots.

“Hey, should we maybe concentrate on working the technology we have to be more secure so we can worry less? Should be maybe work on a new decentralized approach to remove the weak link that is the tracker?”

“No, lets buy an island, no wait, lets build the site on a satellite… NO WAIT!!! LET’s BUILD IT ON THE MOON!”

It’s all retarded. Now if you want to get realistic, setup a rouge DNS server for us pirates to use, and work the software to be more secure and decentralized.
It’s real

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lee

they’ll never be able to afford/do it.
Eddie2010

I hope they get insurance… I’m sure the MAFIAA will convince their government bedfellows that they need to launch an anti-satellite missile in order to “save” Hollywood.
lee

no need for anti-satellite missile they’ll just jam it or change it’s orbit
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MuaDib

Wouldn’t it be cheaper to make deals with indian reservations?
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Paul

@95
Thanks, you made my day with that one. I seriously had tears in my eyes after reading that :-)

“Throw it out the window and bam!” LOL
nas

Did no one bother to talk to an actual lawyer before floating this idea? Space is not a vacuum when it comes to law. The law that presides in relation to any satellite is the law of the country which launched it and (I believe, although I would have to review this part) in the case of a commercial or other non-governmental satellite, the law of the country from which it was launched. There are also international treaties that apply in general to various issues related to space, to the moon, and so on. Assuming the pirates launched a satellite there *would* be a set of laws that applies to it, those laws would be those of a particular nation, and that nation is subject to the same persuasion, cajoling, or outright bullying from the US on behalf of the RIAA and its friends that would apply to Earth-bound ventures.
none

I would donate money for that. Hell if everyone who uses bittorrent pays 2$ for that, that would be a big head start.
uJonesing

@10 First, you’re an idiot. Second, te money wasn’t kept, it was donated to another anti-piracy/anti-scam outfit IIRC (EFF/Which? or whatever). Third, do you honstely think that you’re winning any file-sharers over? Hell, in the past two days I’ve taught at least for people how to find sites like tv-links.eu stream video, and use magnet links. And you know what keeps me going? Big Company attacking the things I like and calling me a criminal when- according the laws of my country- I’m not.
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lee

no 125 it cost about 400 million for this type of satellite,that’s without maintenance,you would need to have over a billion at your disposal to successfully do this
me

I’ve been advocating this plan for nearly a decade (recently on TF too), and I’m glad it’s finally getting serious consideration.

We NEED our own independent satellite distribution network, because all (or most) network providers will end up being bought and controlled by the MAFIAA cartel. So we need a freer network.
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Nick

A more interesting and potentially much more useful solution would be to just start our own network. Pick a few cites and few enthusiasts, and start growing our own network using off the self tech. Completly seperated from the internet. Like internet 2 just for “freedom of information” over time the nodes could connect and the network could grow. Kind of like BBS’s with the long term goal of integration. No commerical influence allowed on internet2 in anyway, shape, or form.
professor impossible

what about using a satellite as a proxy instead, hiding the source servers wherever they be terrestrially and not requiring large capacity hard drives..
Anonymous

Second post reads:

2 Oct 20, 2010 at 22:46 by anon

first

—————–

Was not actually first…. YOU HAVE FAILED IN LIFE!
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George

The obvious answer is to just get everyone to pirate. If every single man, woman, and child with an internet connection starts pirating, it will be de facto legal. What are they gonna do then, disconnect the internet?
m3rl1n

Just take sealand by force. There are only what, 10 residents at most. be a real pirate, Arrrrrg.
Eilif

normal pirates?
Somalian pirates?
Internet pirates?
Space pirates?

and what next? Skynet pirates? xD
Bob

That’s probably the first time someone working in a data-center get’s to go into space to “replace a hard-disk”!
Virus

If the objective is service resiliency then why bother with the centralised and easily controlled ideas at all? What makes BitTorrent most strong is its distributed nature. It’s the centralised aspects that are under threat and need replacing. So why not follow on from that and set about creating a system that would allow for distributed hosting among participating peers. Maybe have it so a controlling entity can push updates to the network with authority through use of PGP signing or something.
Split Darkmatter

I’m currently doing this kind of project and finding the financing. Check out plizzel dot com and follow the P Badge to Split and Flut for the current state of the deal.
GlobalSnake

The problem is that even if it sits on a satellite it needs to communicate to a Internet node (back bone), thus government where such node sits would be the same as having the server there so if they choose they take the isp to court and cut communications. The only way to have such an ordeal work would be to communicate with the satellite directly from the ground using a pirate communicator ground station. Such individual can share the feed with people that he trusts and thus only set of feeds would be needed.
antonio

sus wüesv donde hay que aportar
spikey

we need to have our own Service Provider, it would be much more easier than satellites
T.H.E. S.W.A.R.M.

it would be exciting but I think we best keep coding till our whole network of peers is encryted end to end ,, we’ve come a long way in a short while you knmow ;)
5318008

Antarctica.
omfg

jeez, you people really dont understand the purpose of brainstorming
dufus

Let me know how this all works. Meanwhile I will be here in reality facing the upcoming fall of modern civilization due to lack of cheap energy derived from oil.
Bominiscious

A boat is a cool idea but unless someone is out there to watch over it I can see a media corporation going out there and destroying it.
elduka

submarine
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noname

A satalite would just get blown out the sky, same for a island, the yanks would just go to war on it…. i thought some countrys like iran had no file sharing laws?? why not just put the servers there
A Victim

I can’t believe how you people fall for the most insane nonsense. And now someone suggests using Iran. Hey, why not go back in time and put the server in Nazi Germany? Makes as much sense.

I have a better idea. Get a job so you don’t have to steal violent games and music.
show me the money

If they raise money for this cause and then change their mind, do they guarantee they will refund the money back to donors, or could they just pocket it and walk away?

I ask because I’ve donated for many other P2P-related projects over the years, such as buying a new server –or an island — and never saw anything for my donation except smoke and mirrors.
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Ninja

ROFL. This was funny. Whatever they choose, it’s not feasible unless they have a pipe. Servers might not be “taken down” (pardon me, I couldn’t resist) but the connection could. In the end it’s all about laws we need to change and adapt to the current times.
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adam smith

Those guys keep turning more and more into the dicks that used to run ninjavideo. I get banned like every few weeks now. Anything you say about their websites with malicious codes hijacking your browser they get upset about and ban you. All while claiming they are open and not afraid of free speech. I guess even the pirates are going corporate with their thinking.
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dark knight

me thinks that if an isolated country is bought for hosting the servers – this makes the server more vulnerable – cause it will be open to malicious attacks of industries with bigger budgets.

An orbit in space is less difficult to attack, but not impossible if it has the backup of governments.

the best option in such cases is to fight for rights instead of finding avoidance tactics.
dumd

the most foolish thing i have ever heard oF
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now this is why marijuana is good S**t :)
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Mario

Perhaps a mobile station on the south pole,with all the latest tech needed.
pirate

At sea they would still be under Admiralty law. So space should be it! The skies the limit.
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dun dun dun

@133 it happened, a german guy who bought a sealand passport came back in with a helicopter and some irl tough guys, and the owner fled. documented in How to Start Your Own Country by Edwin Strauss, Lampoonics Press, ~1985

@Antarctica suggestions again: a “mobile” unit in Antarctica means either some super snowmobile or a vessel at sea like the Sea Shepherd. The logistics of keeping a server running there are formidable. US forces de facto control the way in and the way out. The good news is that if you did manage to do it, you would get a domain name under AQ and no one could stop you, according to the IANA etc conventions on AQ names. google “sites:.aq” without the quotes to see what a rare TLD that one is.

@space law objections: Bush issued a presidential decree saying Space belongs to the USA. No joke. It won’t stand up in court, but … an international court would attempt to apply admiralty law I suppose, which might actually work to PiratSat’s advantage. So far there is no space law at all, the only attempt was when Gorbachev tried to get Reagan to sign a treaty to make space off-limits to weapons. Never happened.
kim

They should found research into quantum entanglement.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
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maniacks

guys ISRO (INDIAN SPACE RESEARCH ORGANIZATION) for the lowest cost and they have a good track record …. indians as such we don bother about copyright … u think engineers like me purchased books to study… hardbound books are very expensive we download pdf s and study …:P
Doom

Another possibility, albeit a not very attractive one, is that we arm ourselves (or find some peaceful means) and collectively fight for our own nation / municipality, in which we are free to choose our own laws on file-sharing and everything else.
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M-Rex (RX/Rex)

Well, here I am… Finally.. :D

@116 If a “robin hood”(who is based on “donations” by others) is centimeters away from someone, and if that someone is having lots of advanced technologies and heavily armored because of $$$$$$, then that one can use one’s hands or use a knife or if one is a diehard “Stone” (actress! LOL) fan, one can even use an icepick… If one wants to target from certain distance, one needs a “golden rifle (heck! a colt is enough! :D) or a knife if one is that much accurate and if one is ready to sacrifice one’s $$ (after all, that one has lots of $$$$ like I’ve already said) if one is not able to hit…

If the “robin hood” is far, one can use a sniper… If he/she is many miles away, one can fly a plane or use an unmanned thing, that one can destroy from a longer distance…

If that robin hood is “out of the world”, that one can seek help from NASA to destroy…

So, if you arrange ascendingly, hand (free!)< ice pick < knife < sniper < aircraft < spacecraft

Just like that, if Pirates use a "balloon", then a “needle” is enough…

So, blimp are not safer like satellites because if google maps/google latitude can trace, then FBI and US Govt may already have some advanced “alien stuff” to trace wherever the blimp is because earth is far easier to track than space…!

@ 151 And why did I suggest Iran?! Even if USA can bomb North Korea or Cuba… But if US bombs Iran, then the islamic countries would unite together and there would be WW 3 which US won't prefer at this economic condition… Because they have lost Afghanistan and Iraq…

Lets flip the torrents and launch a mulve like app in Iran and stop saving any details to remain anonymous…

That's the effective stuff… 'Nuff said… Keep this in your mind clearly… US won't touch Iran because of fearing WW3… Iran (Persia) and Iraq (Mesopotamia) were two of the earliest civilizations and islamic countries have already lost Mesopotamia… They won't leave Persia… :)

Even if we do so, what will happen?! Like stuxnet, US could create a virus and infect servers of Iran… Keep this in your mind… Lots of $$$$$$ = no one will ever care if the lots of $$$$$ holder does… So, like I've already said, seize our "technology" or order like this: "If you wanna LIVE in THIS Country, i DEMAND YOU… STAY AWAY from this new "quantum" technology (whatever! LOL) or GO AWAY from THIS country" what can pirates do?!

@106
Honestly, this sounds like a rather "practical" idea… :)

But alas! Even if pirates do so, what can pirates do if the Hypocritical Aristocrats (yup, you are correct… I mean our "governments" … LOL) say like this: "If you wanna LIVE in THIS Country, i DEMAND YOU… STAY AWAY from this new "quantum" technology (whatever! LOL) or GO AWAY from THIS country" what can pirates do?!

need an "independent country" (once again!) and all those shits/craps (whatever! LOL) I've listed would happen without a doubt… :( That's all… :'(

as International Copyright Relations of the United States (copyright.gov/circs/circ38a.pdf ) says, Afghanistan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Iran, Iraq, San Marino, Turkmenistan, etc don't have any "copyright relation" with the US… As I don't know more about Turkmenistan, Iran is the most powerful islamic country here!!

@ 121 I know more about medicine more than a doc… :P
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

Ahhh
@118 let’s face the truth…

“I mean come on, there was reported 12,000,000 (12 million) users on TPB, this was a while ago to, numbers must have risen.

If you divide $20,000 by 12 million (users) thats not even 1 cent each. So really, $20,000 was a very very small amount of money”

@109 so true.. :(

Hey, why not watch free musics (from Vevo, SME wherever you are)from youtube?! Just like me?!

The only thing that is practical is to COMPLETELY BOYCOTT MOVIE INDUSTRY unless they reduce the costs… Look… If we boycott, movie industries can’t get $$$ and as a result, they would automatically reduce… :)

I think this is another idea… They can even have some site like Vevo and they can supply the whole movie for very low resolution (but very good picture clarity) and if people are interested, then can buy hd dvds or hey, why not reduce the cost in theater?! Nothing can beat the theater experience… But we must not change those low res videos just like jpg to svg… ;P LOL

Mostly I’m not interested in movies and even if I wanna watch, I can simply watch with my friend… look… “best friend” + “lots of C$$$$$” = “free LEGAL movie DVDs whenever you want without copying” … (LOL)

Hey, why not picture industry follow this?! At least, they can even stream free movies after 5 years (ads may help!) or make them cheaper… After all, most of the classic movies are before 5 to 10 years… :) But I think they won’t… At least, they must stream some 20 year old movies at least… :(
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@149 eludka

That’s it! A submarine!
The russians still must have some nuclear ones, which could be given back some purpose instead of rotting away in some arctic harbour. They’d surely be affordable and hard to find and anyone must think twice about sinking one of those babies… ;)
Jimmy

Why not modify ham radio frequencies, and make new wireless modulators/demodulators? Ham travels far, and towers could be put up to easily cover areas of the globe.

You wouldn’t need communication, you’d just need ways to pick up the torrent file or the appropriate information – that way no matter what IP address it is on earth that anyone submits information to, it gets rebroadcast across the world. For example, have it rebroadcast only the magnet links, and all you’d need is a reciever to pick it up, and database to catalog it. Then all you’d need is connect to ground peers using the traditional network infrastructure.

Problem solved.
nodeboy

this is very possible, they are called cubesats and are launched piggyback with commercial satellites.
There is a standarized design for the satellite, you just need to provide the electronics and get it on a cubesat flight. That might be the hard part, as cubesats have to be accepted and they won’t want anything this controverisial. But call it a digital low orbit platform for the third world and it’d get by.
yeah

spacepirates ;-)
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M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@166

Read: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/asw3.htm

From wikiepdia: “A magnetic anomaly detector (MAD) is an instrument used to detect minute variations in the Earth’s magnetic field. The term refers specifically to magnetometers used by military forces to detect submarines (a mass of ferromagnetic material creates a detectable disturbance in the magnetic field)”

From GlobalSecurity.org:

“MAD sensors are used to detect the natural and manmade differences in the Earth’s magnetic fields.”

“an excellent sensor for PINPOINTING a submarine’s position prior to an air-launched torpedo attack.”

Guess what?! Just go to http://crustal.usgs.gov/projects/namad/the_project.html

You can see “A New Magnetic Anomaly Map of NORTH AMERICA”

Big Uncle (Sam) is watching you closely throughout the world like I’ve already said… :(

So, whatever stuffs you make, YOU CAN’T USE THOSE STUFFS TO DOWNLOAD unless you live in a “pirate country” even if you do so, they’d “bomb” the entire country… So, even if you use an “anonymous” submarine, you MUST NEED another (heck!) “anonymous” submarine to download because like I’ve already said, “Even if pirates do so, what can pirates do if the Hypocritical Aristocrats (yup, you are correct… I mean our “governments” … LOL) say like this: “If you wanna LIVE in THIS Country, i DEMAND YOU… STAY AWAY from this new “quantum” technology (whatever! LOL) or GO AWAY from THIS country” what can pirates do?!

need an “independent country” (once again!) and all those shits/craps (whatever! LOL) I’ve listed would happen without a doubt… :( That’s all… :’(”

So, practically speaking, pirates can do NOTHING if they live in a country where there are copyright rules… or in a country “influenced” by USA … Like I’ve already said, US may (because nothing is impossible for USA!) fear Iran, but ARE YOU READY TO MOVE TO IRAN ?! I betcha… YOU WON’T because Iran is turning out to be “another China” with it’s content filtering… :(

Media Industries heck! Even the music artists OFFICIALLY stream in VEVO etc FOR FREE… So, RIAA is kinda better than MPAA… Even less than one year, Avatar, the most expensive movie (unadjusted) decreased from $137,094,001 (Dec 18–24 09) to a mere $10,511 (Aug 6–12 2010)ie. from “first” to “73rd” (!)without even completing an year… http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=avatar.htm

Even the re-release of “all-powerful” Avatar grossed just 8.3 millions worldwide (source: latimes)… Yes, it was a limited (re)release… But for a movie that has grossed some “ $2,772,605,563 “, you gotta expect more…

So, whatever $$$$$$ you earn in dVD/Blueray sales, yes, “Back to the Future: 25th Anniversary Trilogy [Blu-ray]” is at currently #2 in both Amazon (“68 days in the top 100” !!!!) and blue-ray.com Top Blu-ray Sellers, http://www.amazon.ca/gp/bestsellers/dvd/ref=pd_dp_ts_d_1/181-9890376-1930821

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/top.php but not all old movies can do the same… Even if they “do” so, I think streaming a low res movie won’t affect the DVD/Blue-ray sales either because there is a difference between 340p, 480p, 740p and 1080p …

http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2009/11/1080p-hd-comes-to-youtube.html

(Heck! Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVBsypHzF3U Lady Gaga has a 1080p version for FREE!! I think nowadays most artists upload their videos in 1080p !!!!

Unlike Printing industry (book industry?! Whatever! LOL) Recording industry should have suffered a lot by giving their videos 1080p FORE FREE by THEIR OWN ARTISTS! Because most people (including me!) love to read a “physical” book instead of an “e”-book… Look… Youtube and other streaming sites (except dailymotion?! Even it save to cache if I remember correctly…) are not “download proof” I don’t mean I download… But there are heck a lot of downloaders like “orbit” (wow!) downloader that brags like this: “download streaming media, social music, social video, movie, flash and file from anywhere include Pandora, YouTube, Yahoo, Myspace and Rapidshare more simple and easy.”

But guess what?! From Bieber’s youtube channel: “After posting dozens of homemade videos on YouTube in 2007, where the multi-talented Bieber put his impeccable spin on songs from artists like Usher, Ne-Yo and Stevie Wonder, Justin racked up over 10,000,000 views purely from word of mouth. ” he may or may not be a “multi-talented” …. But he definitely is a “multi-millionnaire” within a rather short time…

So, Recording industry has FOUND a talent and FOUND A WAY to HYPNOTIZE all the teen gurrrls with Justin Bieber!! What a profit! What a $$$$$$$ (profit) !

Look… Lets have the same “telephone” for example… It had a “Triple Platinum Digital Download
120,000 Units” even in Canada! http://cria.ca/gold/0410_g.php

So, movie industry MUST follow the recording industry… or at least, why not stream some 1 to 20 year old movies for free ?! Ads may DEFINITELY help because we can even disable our ad blockers if they are useful and if they don’t link malicious sites … That’s the ONLY possible way because Google http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8229/googlegoes.jpg

wow! EVEN GOOGLE SUGGESTS THE “CORRECT” suggestion this time… xD

This entry http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/11/vint-cerf-speaks-out-on-net-neutrality.html is just another public stunt…

“The Internet was designed with no gatekeepers over new content or services.”, eh?! Guess what!? Unlike Vevo, WWE BLOCKS it’s “episodes” heck! Whatever “excuses” youtube says, THEY DON’T MATTER … Just like Obama, Google CONTRADICTS itself because if they “respect neutrality, then why should they allow those who are not interested in it to host their videos?! I can bypass and watch if I want… I can even watch Hulu http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2196/adsbutnoadslolevenafter.jpg even without disabling adblockers and hosts if I want… Just look at the video… It is like Cena “bowing” Wade Barret even while lifting Orton… :D So, goolge sucks… :( I think we all know the verizon issue too… And wow! What about ANOTHER PUBLIC STUNt http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2010/08/joint-policy-proposal-for-open-internet.html

eVEN pIRATE pARTIES MUST GET SOME HELP FRM gOOGLE… hAIL gOOGLE… :p
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@166

Read: globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/asw3.htm

From wikiepdia: “A magnetic anomaly detector (MAD) is an instrument used to detect minute variations in the Earth’s magnetic field. The term refers specifically to magnetometers used by military forces to detect submarines (a mass of ferromagnetic material creates a detectable disturbance in the magnetic field)”

From GlobalSecurity.org:

“MAD sensors are used to detect the natural and manmade differences in the Earth’s magnetic fields.”

“an excellent sensor for PINPOINTING a submarine’s position prior to an air-launched torpedo attack.”

Guess what?! Just go to crustal.usgs.gov/projects/namad/the_project.html

You can see “A New Magnetic Anomaly Map of NORTH AMERICA”

Big Uncle (Sam) is watching you closely throughout the world like I’ve already said… :(

So, whatever stuffs you make, YOU CAN’T USE THOSE STUFFS TO DOWNLOAD unless you live in a “pirate country” even if you do so, they’d “bomb” the entire country… So, even if you use an “anonymous” submarine, you MUST NEED another (heck!) “anonymous” submarine to download because like I’ve already said, “Even if pirates do so, what can pirates do if the Hypocritical Aristocrats (yup, you are correct… I mean our “governments” … LOL) say like this: “If you wanna LIVE in THIS Country, i DEMAND YOU… STAY AWAY from this new “quantum” technology (whatever! LOL) or GO AWAY from THIS country” what can pirates do?!

need an “independent country” (once again!) and all those shits/craps (whatever! LOL) I’ve listed would happen without a doubt… :( That’s all… :’(”

So, practically speaking, pirates can do NOTHING if they live in a country where there are copyright rules… or in a country “influenced” by USA … Like I’ve already said, US may (because nothing is impossible for USA!) fear Iran, but ARE YOU READY TO MOVE TO IRAN ?! I betcha… YOU WON’T because Iran is turning out to be “another China” with it’s content filtering… :(

Media Industries heck! Even the music artists OFFICIALLY stream in VEVO etc FOR FREE… So, RIAA is kinda better than MPAA… Even less than one year, Avatar, the most expensive movie (unadjusted) decreased from $137,094,001 (Dec 18–24 09) to a mere $10,511 (Aug 6–12 2010)ie. from “first” to “73rd” (!)without even completing an year… boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=avatar.htm

Even the re-release of “all-powerful” Avatar grossed just 8.3 millions worldwide (source: latimes)… Yes, it was a limited (re)release… But for a movie that has grossed some “ $2,772,605,563 “, you gotta expect more…

So, whatever $$$$$$ you earn in dVD/Blueray sales, yes, “Back to the Future: 25th Anniversary Trilogy [Blu-ray]” is at currently #2 in both Amazon (“68 days in the top 100” !!!!) and blue-ray.com Top Blu-ray Sellers, amazon.ca/gp/bestsellers/dvd/ref=pd_dp_ts_d_1/181-9890376-1930821

blu-ray.com/movies/top.php but not all old movies can do the same… Even if they “do” so, I think streaming a low res movie won’t affect the DVD/Blue-ray sales either because there is a difference between 340p, 480p, 740p and 1080p …

youtube-global.blogspot.com/2009/11/1080p-hd-comes-to-youtube.html

(Heck! Go to youtube.com/watch?v=EVBsypHzF3U Lady Gaga has a 1080p version for FREE!! I think nowadays most artists upload their videos in 1080p !!!!

Unlike Printing industry (book industry?! Whatever! LOL) Recording industry should have suffered a lot by giving their videos 1080p FORE FREE by THEIR OWN ARTISTS! Because most people (including me!) love to read a “physical” book instead of an “e”-book… Look… Youtube and other streaming sites (except dailymotion?! Even it save to cache if I remember correctly…) are not “download proof” I don’t mean I download… But there are heck a lot of downloaders like “orbit” (wow!) downloader that brags like this: “download streaming media, social music, social video, movie, flash and file from anywhere include Pandora, YouTube, Yahoo, Myspace and Rapidshare more simple and easy.”

But guess what?! From Bieber’s youtube channel: “After posting dozens of homemade videos on YouTube in 2007, where the multi-talented Bieber put his impeccable spin on songs from artists like Usher, Ne-Yo and Stevie Wonder, Justin racked up over 10,000,000 views purely from word of mouth. ” he may or may not be a “multi-talented” …. But he definitely is a “multi-millionnaire” within a rather short time…

So, Recording industry has FOUND a talent and FOUND A WAY to HYPNOTIZE all the teen gurrrls with Justin Bieber!! What a profit! What a $$$$$$$ (profit) !

Look… Lets have the same “telephone” for example… It had a “Triple Platinum Digital Download
120,000 Units” even in Canada! cria.ca/gold/0410_g.php

So, movie industry MUST follow the recording industry… or at least, why not stream some 1 to 20 year old movies for free ?! Ads may DEFINITELY help because we can even disable our ad blockers if they are useful and if they don’t link malicious sites … That’s the ONLY possible way because Google img442.imageshack.us/img442/8229/googlegoes.jpg

wow! EVEN GOOGLE SUGGESTS THE “CORRECT” suggestion this time… xD

This entry googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/11/vint-cerf-speaks-out-on-net-neutrality.html is just another public stunt…

“The Internet was designed with no gatekeepers over new content or services.”, eh?! Guess what!? Unlike Vevo, WWE BLOCKS it’s “episodes” heck! Whatever “excuses” youtube says, THEY DON’T MATTER … Just like Obama, Google CONTRADICTS itself because if they “respect neutrality, then why should they allow those who are not interested in it to host their videos?! I can bypass and watch if I want… I can even watch Hulu img168.imageshack.us/img168/2196/adsbutnoadslolevenafter.jpg even without disabling adblockers and hosts if I want… Just look at the video… It is like Cena “bowing” Wade Barret even while lifting Orton… :D So, goolge sucks… :( I think we all know the verizon issue too… And wow! What about ANOTHER PUBLIC STUNt googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2010/08/joint-policy-proposal-for-open-internet.html

eVEN pIRATE pARTIES MUST GET SOME HELP FROM gOOGLE… hAIL gOOGLE… :p
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

WOW… 209/210 COMMNETS… :p Hey, do you know the most commented torrent freak article!? J/W :)
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

“210″ in the main page (torrentfreak.com) but just “171″, huh?! Where are the rest?! :-O :D
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

“some 1 to 20 year old” edit: I mean “10 to 20 year + movies” =D
SamE

They are going to put a satellite in to orbit? Good Luck. The total cost to build a satellite and put it into orbit is about $1 Billion dollars. Once the satellite is in space, it costs a lot of money to keep the satellite at a certain point in the sky. Also the max life of a satellite is only 15 years.
MjMr

If i had a million dollars to spend, would go straight to this project. I really hope all goes through.
ROCK IT PIRATES!!!!
dun dun dun

Duh, I forgot. Iceland.
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

Look… If you REALLY wanna download from a satellite or iceland or where ever you want, YOU NEED another (OR THE SAME!) satellite or you MUST stay in Iceland or where ever TO DOWNLOAD because LIKE I’VE ALREADY SAID,

“Lots of $$$$$$ = no one will ever care if the lots of $$$$$ holder does anything and everything… So, like I’ve already said,what can pirates do if they seize their “technology” and/or order like this: “If you wanna LIVE in THIS Country, i DEMAND YOU… STAY AWAY from this new “quantum” technology (whatever! LOL) or GO AWAY from THIS country” what can pirates do?!”

Look… PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND… Even if you stay in “Iceland” or another “satellite”, what can you do if they “bomb” you?!

Like I’ve already said, YOU NEED TO STAY IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS OR CELESTIAL WATERS IN ORDER TO DOWNLOAD FROM INTERNATIONAL WATERS OR CELESTIAL WATERS… EVEN IF YOU DO SO, THEY WOULD PROBABLY (HECK! SURELY! :() SINK YOUR PIRATE SHIP…

You MUST STAY IN A pirate bay to download from “The Pirate Bay” … Even if you do so, you can’t stop them from destroying both…. :’( that’s the truth… Let’s face it… Like I’ve already said, we can go watch some good songs from youtube VEVO/SME (wherever you are) and BOYCOTT MOVIE INDUSTRY until they stream some 10 to 20 year + movies for free (ads may definitely help) and let us disable if we have any adblockers for that site if the links/ads are not malicious) … After all, they are NOT gonna reduce the cost… :’( PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND… I’M TIRED OF TYPING THE SAME TING… LETS DISCUSS SOMETHING USEFUL… :)
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

“Hey, do you know the most commented torrent freak article!? J/W :)”

I think this is ‘that’ one: http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-trial-the-verdict-090417/

“1182″ comments! wow wow wow!! :P
M-Rex (RX/Rex)

@ 176

“Duh, I forgot. Iceland.”

“Berne (Paris) “Sept. 7, 1947; UCC Geneva Dec. 18, 1956; WTO Jan. 1, 1995″

IT IS BOUND…

Belarus?! “UCC Geneva Mar. 29, 1994; Berne (Paris) Dec. 12, 1997; WCT Mar. 6, 2002; WPPT May 20, 2002; Phonograms Apr. 17, 2003″

Kyrgyz Republic ?! “WTO Dec. 20, 1998; Berne (Paris) July 8, 1999; WCT Mar. 6, 2002; WPPT Aug. 15, 2002; Phonograms Oct. 12, 2002″

Bhutan ?! “Berne (Paris) Nov. 25, 2004″

Micronesia ?! “Berne (Paris) Oct. 7, 2003″

Kiribati ?! “Unclear” (LuLz! :D)

Lesotho ?! “Berne (Paris) Sept. 28, 1989; WTO May 31, 1995″

Look… “the list of possibilities is long.” ?! NOPE! It is VERY VERY VERY SHORT!!!

ONLY Afghanistan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Iran, Iraq, San Marino, Turkmenistan don’t have any “copyright relation” with the US… As I don’t know more about Turkmenistan, Iran is the most powerful islamic country here!!

Both Afghanistan and Iraq were/are taken by the US and honestly, they are just puppets…

Turkmenistan?! Yellow rating…

From turkmenistan.usembassy.gov/ic_report.html,

“The Law on Foreign Investment guarantees the protection of intellectual property of foreign investors, including literary, artistic and scientific works, software, databases, patents and other copyrighted items, but Turkmenistan has yet to adopt more explicit and comprehensive administrative and civil procedures and criminal penalties for Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) violations. Turkmenistan has not adopted a separate Copyright Law and consequently does not provide any protection to foreign sound recordings (a.k.a RIAA type!) or preexisting works.”

So, it might change it’s anytime… :(

Iran ?! The only possibility because USA will probably (hopefully!) fear bombing it because of fearing WW3…

But unfortunately, YA MUST STAY IN IRAN (:() which is nearly having another infamously so-called “golden shield project” like china…

“Wikisource has original text related to this article:
Circular 38a: International Copyright Relations of the United States”

Ah once again, WIKIpedia and it’s allies FAIL … en.wikisource.org/wiki/International_Copyright_Relations_of_the_United_States “Relations as of January 2005” REEEALLLY ?!!?! :D :D :D :D :D It also mentions “The current edition is located at http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ38a.pdf” :D

HOW MUCH OUTDATED, eh?! It says Bhutan has no copyright relations… Berne (Paris) Nov. 25, 2004(which is before Jan ’05… copyright.gov [wait a sec... Don't other countries have their own copyrights?! Then how come "copyright.gov" is for the US?! Is US govt. The ONLY government?! Just like ".com" domain instead of ".us", BLAH!! :( Our (Canadian) govt. site is gc.ca unlike just .gov because we (Canadians) think we rule only this country and not the world... Remember MJ's (R.I.P. ... I <3 MJ!) song "We are the World" ?! The USA's unofficial song is "We RULE the World" ... :P I like the Haiti version because I wasn't even born during the original release 1985 ... I'm just 19 (a.k.a 1991!) ... :) Kinda unknown singers except MJ and some... LOL xD So, Mr./Ms./Mrs. Anons (whoever you are!), be kind because I love you dudes and dudettes too... :) ((((hugs))))]

Nepal (April 23, '04), ah!!!! It says Turkmenistan has one too… "UCC Geneva May 27, 1973" and cites this:

"The effective dates of the bilateral agreements with the United States confirming the successor status are as follows: … Turkmenistan (Oct. 25, 1993)"

REALLY ?! Just wow wow wow!!!! :D & copyright.gov has kinda updated list “January 2010” which is honestly kinda out-dated too… :(
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dun dun dun

@180

You’ve obviously done your IP/Copyright research, I didn’t realize the WTO was so pervasive yet.

I know a fair bit about Turkmenistan just from watching it over the years in the media. The dictator guy has a great sense of humor but I don’t think he’d allow a lot of the stuff people like to torrent (pr0n etc.).

There’s some republic called Kalmykia in Russia that has a hard-on for the game chess, they might be game, no pun intended.
Osiris

Build a Country on the Middle off Ocean with the garbage/Plastic over there, and put the server to work there.
LOL

Host it in Spain.Simple as that.
bustducker

How about Anartica?
Rolfen

It will suffer from a weak point: the ISP which may and probably will remove connectivity if contacted by the law. I think there is a solution in the network itself and programmatic distributed computing solutions.
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omfg

haha awesome idea
Southern

The problem with buying a country and making it independent like that is it will have no protection from Neighboring countries. Remember Kuwait? If (another country) wants that island, for whatever reason, they’ll just come TAKE it, unless it’s under the protection of another, larger country (and therefore most likely subject to their laws)..

Not to mention that an island is going to have mutiple OC-45 lines, or Fiber, or whatever they want to use for connectivity, running to an ISP in the neighboring country – giving them a single point of failure should the lines be cut, severed, or disabled by the upstream ISP (same goes for the satellite).

The best bet (IMO) is to use distributed computing in some method to search *.TORRENT files (much like Limewire did, but without the single point of failure of shutting down the Limewire servers, as we just saw happen), and then do your torrenting behind a VPN. Almost complete privacy that way, and no single server to go after that’s hosting *.torrent files, and no way to track who’s transferring behind VPN.
Anonymous

List of half-assed ideas. You let me know if this helps.

Host it in Spain.

Host it on the North Pole? But be ready for when that bitch melts in 50 yrs!!

Host it on Antartica

Host it in New Zealand

What’s wrong with the boat idea? I like it. But it needs to either have a permanent crew, or no deck, and only 1 door(+ would needs to be bullet proof n shit).

The satellite and the balloon = stupid, short-sighted ideas.
(2 yrs later harddrive fails and world-wide headlines read: Million dollar fuck-up!!)

The Boat sounds like the most inexpensive option. How the fuck did you only raise 20 k? WTF? Seriously? Dude you need at least 200 k to buy a boat with no deck, bullet proof siding, and state-of-the-art electronics, and modern energy-efficiency. Plus the 50 k to buy servers, and have them hardwired into the boat… Although that you could feasibly do yourselves…
Captain Caveman

Just 1 more crazy idea, let me know what you think!!

What if you designed a program that took audio files, and converted them into a standard file format (say .mp3) and then took a several specific, and relatively inaudible notes, and altered them slightly. Or perhaps just move the notes out of key by deci/milliseconds.

Wouldn’t that make the file unprotected by a copyright?

I’m certain someone with a better knowledge of music production could come up with something that made a song no longer protected by a copyright, but vary the sound so slightly that the changes seemed inaudible…
Captain Caveman

And what if you found a perfect equation for all songs, that relied on basic similarities of music, like the 4 bar build, and simply changed a few specific frequencies, that show up in every bar, every single bar…?
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