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Pirate Parties Use Influence To Halt Anonymous’ Operation Payback

In a letter to those coordinating Operation Payback, the series of DDoS attacks carried out against pro-copyright outfits since September, the UK and US Pirate Party are calling for an end to hostilities. They reason that the continuation of the operation plays into the hands of organizations that wish to “pervert” copyright law for personal gain and hampers the progress of those seeking copyright reform through legitimate means.

operation paybackLast week, the digital aggression that has become the signature move of the anti-copyright Operation Payback movement took what some will see as a more considered approach.

Stepping away from the massive show of force which had brought down countless websites, Operation Payback adopted a new strategy designed to regain the focus of attention.

The operation’s committee made a list of demands for governments worldwide with the ultimate aim of getting involved in political discussion. They argued that copyright laws need to change and called for an end to anti-piracy lawsuits and censorship.

“What we are now trying to do, is to straighten out ideals, and trying to make them both heard and accepted,” a spokesman for Operation Payback told TorrentFreak.

“Nobody would listen to us if we said piracy should be legal, but when we ask for copyright lifespan to be reduced to ‘fair’ lengths, that would sound a lot more reasonable.”

It didn’t go unnoticed that this switch to a more publicly acceptable path has more in common with the direction chosen by the the UK and US Pirate Party. Indeed, Operation Payback has certainly caught the eyes of the Pirates during their 2 month campaign and today, after a huge amount of hostility in recent weeks, Pirate parties have joined their voices in a plea for peace.

“We, the undersigned, call upon you to immediately cease the Distributed Denial-of-Service (DDoS) attacks and to instead seek out a legal method to express your frustration and disquiet with the copyright industry, and their perversions of copyright law for personal gain,” write the Pirates today in a letter to the leaders of Operation Payback.

The letter goes on to express understanding of shared frustrations within the current debate but warns that Operation Payback, with its chosen path of aggression and hostility, runs the risk of playing into the hands of their enemy and hinder those who seek to promote copyright reform.

“By continuing Operation:Payback attacks, you will hamper those who promote copyright reform and curtailment of abuses of copyright, but who do so within the bounds of the law,” says the letter.

“Instead of being able to argue for legislative reform of copyright on its own merits, they will be accused of defending criminals and promoting lawlessness. It will be easier for legislators and the media to ignore the clear benefits of fair copyrights and free speech, in favour of clamouring for harsher legislation to ‘stop those pirates and hackers’.”

The letter from the Pirate concludes with a final plea.

“Please help those of us who care about your freedoms, your rights and your liberty, and choose a more moderate and legal way.”

The big question now is whether Operation Payback will respond positively. Despite its anarchic structure and the potential for action by dissenting splinter groups, the early signs are very good for a negotiated and lasting peace.

Anonymous’ spokesperson told TorrentFreak that they plan to adhere to the Pirate Party’s request and “cease activities immediately.” A full statement is expected to be released in the following hours and we will update this article as soon as it comes in.

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  • anon

    Now this could really get something changed

  • Anonymous

    All good things must come to an end, and this is the right time to end Operation Payback. We’ve got their attention, now we ought to move on and instead of getting angry, try to legitimately, politically, change how the world perceives copyright infringement.

  • jonakajon

    1. working within the system rarely gets things changed. and never quickly
    2. taking down/defacing etc websites and the like never gets things changed
    3. costing ‘them’ money gets things changed. the more money they lose the quicker the change.
    4. solution; one arm works within the system. one arm works outside the system costing ‘them’ money.
    5. organizations who have did this successfully: PIRA ANC

  • ???

    Nothing will get changed people like the riaa and the mpaaa will not comply they consider operation payback to be terrorists and never will a goverment bow down to what they call terrorists. I think operation payback did a little too much after the email leak with acslaw. They should have tried this method then they would have been alot stronger but since they carried on pointless attacks people lost interest and they were seen as a joke in the end. Almost digital terrorists with demands. Calm it down. what we need is a digital union or goverment of our own where we can raise funds for people facing court over silly downloads and get get involved in political side of things maybe showing up in some meeting about the digital age. Britain could have done with this when the new bill was passed only a handful of people showed up. If we were strong and had a proper group we could have flooded that court.

  • anonymous

    although i agree with what the pirate parties are trying to do, no one up till now has taken any notice whatsoever of anyone except the entertainment industries and their point of view. with the unlimited resources they have to lobby and ‘entice’ policy makers, judges etc and their insistence that the best way of achieving what they want is to continue to sue as many people as they can, whether guilty or innocent, shut down as many web sites as possible and gain complete control of the internet, what chance is there of reaching any sensible conclusion that benefits all? maybe what 4chan did was not the best way, but at least it brought the problems out into the open more and gained a little more public awareness of those problems. however, with what has just happened in the USA over the COICA bill and the recent ACTA agreement, i doubt that any of the ‘powers that be’ will even start to take any notice of what is really needed, ie copyright reform. even the legality of the UK DEB is now up for ‘full judicial review’! the continuation of forcing people to follow the entertainment industries outdated ways of buying disks, preventing one person from selling on a no longer wanted disk, having drm protection on those disks and not even allowing back ups to be made of legally purchased media is all in the interest of greed. the customer is no longer considered as anything other than a $ sign. good luck to the pirate parties and others that see the future, but you aint got much hope of accomplishing legal change! the fight back was left far too long. the ‘industries’ achieved an inch unhindered, then a foot, then a yard, then a mile. now they are going for everything and have damn near got it! check out the ‘techdirt’ appraisal of the ‘MPAA interim CEO Bob Pisano’s incredibly misleading defense of the COICA censorship bill’. trouble is, he and others get away with these type of lies and misinformation but no one else is listened to!

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  • Evi1eye

    Well what goes up must come down….

    Fight The Power!

  • Anonymous

    I agree and disagree. :) Agree because we all should be civilized and discuss these matter as such. Disagree because those people (copyright “protectors”) are not civilized. In the past years they bullied so many people. They use illegal tools to fight piracy. This is all wrong. You can’t fight so called pirates (outlaws according to many governments) like that. I mean you can but this won’t make things better. It’ll worsen them. If the copyright holders and the anti-piracy firms representing them want to fight they should fight with legal tools. If not they are even worse than pirates.
    Not to mention the fact that the entertainment industry controls the government. Is this democracy? It’s more of a tyranny. At least in the Middle Ages tyrants didn’t pretend to be democratic and care for people’s freedom. This is a farce. And a damn bad one.

  • anonymous

    What the hell? I am a member of ppuk… was. At least operation payback is actually doing something. As opposed so sitting on their arses, arguing the sht out of things. Democracy does not work. The only thing this will do is alienate anonymous from the pp.

  • Talorthain

    taking down websites, although initially amusing, is ultimately seen as pathetic and captures peoples interests for the 5 mins they read the paper. But can all the websites be taken down all the time, the answer is probably not.

    What was effective and did make a lasting impression, gained a result was the hacked emails which were leaked onto the internet from ACS LAW.

    It showed these people for what they really are and the public basically backed and agreed with the action.

  • Jase

    It’s a good thing no one outside the fringe really cares what the Pirate Party, ‘Anonymous’, or the law thinks, isn’t it, or all of this could actually have some relevance.

  • Anonymous

    The operation is all but dead anyway

    the irc channels that were once full and busy have been replaced with a handful of people (ops mainly) that are on a power trip they had something really good going with a ton of support but then acted like d*cks and everybody left

  • Whatever

    Is it a decease ? Do they get injected ? Or are people reprogrammed when entering politics ?

    They now speak carefully like true politicians are. Just as an example, you can already see this happening to a not so nice party in The Netherlands. Their leader is quickly turning into what he said he would never be (the usual politician) after a few scandals with his party members.

    Any resistance offered by pirate parties didn’t do anything (except turn some green parties which do it for show). It might be because of mixed interests, spin doctors advice on media presentation or just being plain naieve that they do this.

    Another example: The Swedish “EMP”, instead of going to a meeting and then telling what he heard, first asks permission to disclose information, which only causes him not to attend. Since nobody by themselves have forbidden it or tried to make him sign a non-disclosure agreement, he was begging for being left out.

    Operation payback…. actually had some results with the E-mail leaks. The biggest problems probably were the loss of numbers (people get bored,tired) , short attacks and some wrong or useless targets. With smaller numbers taking out more lawfirms for prolonged times would have been better or with huge numbers targets like MoS or Disneyland (paris) might be taken out for weeks.

    Now that after a very chaotic campain “reasonable” demands are made, the MAFIAA will see this as a victory and shift their agenda further away. Then the MAFIAA can give away some virtual ground, having some good PR in the process and be back where it was. Then the lobby circus starts all over again.

    BTW: BUMA (part of MAFIAA) in NL tries to get payment for embedding on websites again.

  • http://scenepeople.info

    is anything going to be sorted no.

  • Anonymous

    pussies

  • Erik Ernst

    PP US/UK can suck my apricot horn for all I care, the lack of strategic thinking and going a long to get a long in these two groups makes me laugh and fart in their general direction.

    The irc channels have been operated by people with 0 leadership abilities, couple that with the notorious lack of strategic thinking from the pirate parties, and we have a certain loser.

    I agree the operation had to end at some point, but it was “hijacked” or at least missmanaged from day one.

    More actions like this from the organized PPs, will only make PP look even more irrelevant, and it will force many of us leave PP and join anarchistic or libetarian groups.

    The people behind the letter, and the folks operating the irc during the attacks should never ever be allowed to make any strategic or political statements again!

  • PirateDave

    PP=Turncoats.

    You don’t ask permission of the enemy.

    You don’t lie in bed with them.

    No one gives you power – you take it.

  • Heh

    This is the most delightful example of hypocrisy and deceit that I have witnessed from both PP and OP. It was organized (deliberately, yes, organized) like this because -some- of the elite few in #Command (not all, and definitely few of the users altogether) wanted to move to a more legal friendly alternatives (instead of joining and supporting their local parties), and PP would get positive publicity.

    I’m ashamed to have associated myself with both, considering the lack of transparency, fairness and honesty.. all of which are supposed to be the foundations of PP. Such a shame.

    If PP wanted things to be done under more legal, fair, honest methods then they should at least implement these methods from the top down.

    Appalling.

  • imho

    The operation, if continued, should focus on hacking the copyright MAFIA (web)sites and exposing their dirty e-mails.

  • Heh

    Oh yeah, did I mention, our very own TF reporter was in on it?
    You’re just as bad as those you are trying to change.

  • AnarchyNow

    And now you see the true face of the “pirate” party, another useless party that ends sucking its masters dicks!
    Vote has never ever changed anything in history except when used as an excuse to make changes that where badly needed (like Obama healthcare “reform” and the abolition of death penalty in Europe)

  • Anonymous

    Bullshit, the tree of liberty NEEDS watered with the blood of revolution every once in a while, a little revolution is a healthy thing…..NEVER GIVE UP…NEVER SURRENDER.

  • Sketch

    oops, i forgot to insert my name in #20…..I AM ME.

  • Anonymous

    What spokesman??? He is not speaking for us.

    No decision to stop the attacks has been made!

  • Shiver Me Timbers

    Your Legislation/Legalization isn’t working!

  • British tangent.

    Good comment at post 20.
    I think some logical non ego types should get together and rethink a new plan of action.I have no faith in the politics side of anything,people who enter the political side of things seem to change there agenda over night.

  • British tangent.

    Good comment at post 12,i should have typed,fixed.

  • Anonymous

    As an long term op of this operation I call bullshit.
    If one or two rogue elements within #command have decided to call it a day, that’s their choice.
    Those of us who actually have the firepower will continue.
    (As evidenced by the downing of hustler again earlier today.)

  • Anon E Mouse

    Plan it properly this time. only choose targets that will financially hurt them. Not just for the sake of attacking. PP can do the legitimate way but they will be forever trapped in layers of bureaucracy. Us the people must be the “Reasoned Mind” ( ;-) ) and take action. The the current Anon Ops “fail to prepare = prepare to fail”. Good preparation is everything.

  • c*nty

    One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Governments always end up talking to the ‘terrorists’ cos its the only way to make a compromise – Northern Ireland, Palestine, WW2 all ended/ing with talks. Eventually they will change their business model cos they will have little choice, so keep on pirating the fuck out of them!

  • Anonymous

    the best plan for a fight against the MAFIAA

    We must organize a “boycott” of all things MAFIAA worldwide and on a specific day.
    Call it Anti-Big Content Day

    We must show the assses we have power with our wallets.We must bring them down a few notches anyways and there are enough folks who would do this to show them a monetary difference.

    normal consumers will do their shopping but all of us who have some internet knowledge should join an anti-mafiaa day.

  • sigh…

    We all know how the “Content Industry” gets things done. They “schmooze” influential people in government, they buy lawyers to influence law makers, they pay for “independent” studies to show how “damaged” their businesses are.

    They take heads of state to fancy dinners and on yachting trips, and most importantly, they contribute lots of $$ to political campaigns for anyone that will push their own, overly aggressive and repressive, copyright agenda.

    In short, money is the answer to all things political these days. Everything else is just noise.

    When the Pirate Party can come up with enough money to compete with all of the tactics listed above, they’ll see some changes, and the changes will happen relatively fast.

    Maybe if those who download things for free would, in turn, donate some money to the Pirate Party, so they can buys some influence of their own, things might move ahead a little more speedily.

    I know it won’t happen, but I doubt if anything else will work.

    Sad, really.

  • Anonymous

    What’s happened to Demonoid and kickas oh and ISohunt???

  • Anon

    Operation Payback was a joke to begin with. All they did was take a few sites offline for a day or day by DDOSing. Big effing deal!

    The Operation Payback committee basically consists of some fat nerds who would piss in their pants if the police come knocking on their doors.

  • suomynona

    This is hilarious. All those morons tried in vain to get at least a little bit of attention with their stupid sh!t, but internet rebellion will only get you so far. The pirate parties are a collective joke. All the governments ignored them and the anons. In your own idiot anon language : EPIC FAIL!!! ROTFLMFAO!!

  • Anonguy

    As people have stated before me, “legal” won’t get shit done, ever. Our system is corrupt, poisoned and dying. Democracy in its current form has failed. It is impossible to change the system now. The only way to make the system better is to destroy the system, and start from scratch. Like the French did when they overthrow monarchy. And you know, I’m actually placing my bets on the French to start the next revolution as well.

    Besides, what happened to being anarchistic? The goal of Anarchy is to abolish government/authority. To put it in the words of the enemy: “you do not negotiate with terrorists” – and the governments of this earth are terrorizing our freedom.

  • Anonymous

    This is what mafiaa & friends do to people. They do not care. See below:

    Lawyer wants “Goliath verdict” against RIAA in abuse trial http://is.gd/htkxh

    Read the article above and see how mafiaa demonizes people and does not care. Then decide if you want to negotiate with the terrorist. If you do, it doesn’t do any good anyway.

  • illunatic

    lol Sketch.

    I really think the DDoS strategy has made about as much progress as it is ever going to.

    What is really needed is public education along with some court precedents in the USA which recognize that non-commercial file-sharing is not infringement of copyright; it is simply a reality of the internet that needs to be accepted and incorporated into conventional society.

  • BlueBeard

    The USA needs a people’s revolution from corporate America. All C.A. understands is profit..they do not & never will care about people. This is WHY the MPAA & RIAA are so adamant about suing. Unfortunately the USA is run by C.A. I am all 4 any type of pay back for these cretins..bring it on…

  • gjjhbhjl

    Filthy politics. FOAD Pirate Party. Operation Payback: The Escalation.

  • US pirate party is a joke

    Seriously can anyone tell me a more useless endevour then the usa pirate party

  • Real Pirate

    Influence??? LOL

    fuck em, they are useless! AND they are not fighting MPAA. not really!

  • Anon

    Operation: Payback is a bitch website: http://www.anonops.net

    Tell us what you think!

    irc: anonops.net #port 6667 Channel: #OperationPayback

  • Devild Advocate

    Operation payback got its 5 mins of fame, even reported on TV news.
    To date I have never seen the pirate party on the TV news.

    Although I respect the way The Pirate Party are trying to do things, the are inecfectual. Operation payback has created more discussion in a few weeks than they have in a few years.
    However, in the current western climate, operation payback will be seen as a terrorist activity if it continues to DDOS government server, directly or indirectly. That is why it will ultimately fail.

  • Anonymous

    i don’t know much about the works of the pirate party, but what they’re saying is true if they’re progressing copyright reformation as the big media will use the works of operation payback to misrepresent the pirate party.

    the more the pirate party accomplishes the more time the media would give to operation payback to demonize the pirate party

    but with the lack of attention the media has given to operation payback – from what i’m reading, there’s probably not much more damage the media can cause by giving more time to operation payback which means there’s not much legal progress made to be damaged by them

  • anonTriv

    if it causes change, I’m all for it… but I definitely don’t speak for everyone.

  • Mr. Anon

    Good job, kids. You’ve managed to make things worse yet again.

    Maybe if you weren’t so childish.. but then again, that’s not your fault. The kids with lazers are only but young teenagers with no real recourse.

    “Let’s show them we’re right by breaking shit!”

    I knew it would come down to this. Now, not only do we look like thieves, but also vandals.

  • Paul

    It’s politics that is destroying our society, everything always involves money and who has the most. If you don’t have the money then nothing else matters as far as the governments are concerned.

    Pirate party aren’t interested in this. All they want to do is get themselves up the political ladder like all parties do. They fill us with shit and lies to get themselves there and then turn their backs on us. Screw em!

  • DJDANKVT

    Crazyness!

  • RecklessAdam

    It’s inevitable, regardless of all the laws they wish to endorse, the freedom of all information is inevitable. Science fiction authors accepted this a very long time ago.

  • Gargamel

    This is exactly what Operation Payback have been praying for, if any of you were actually paying attention.

    A way out and to save face. Now they have it. And they took it.

  • Anonymous

    “A way out and to save face. Now they have it. And they took it.”

    Yo are a fool. Anon has the power to kick out the corporation of parasites you are working for off internet permanently. There is tools way more powerful than LOIC.
    It was only a warning shoot precluding what might come.

    The results of this warning shoot:

    -Ministry of sound damages: several million dollar in sale lost.

    -Gen Simone: several hundred thousand dollar in sale lost.

    -ACS LAWS: Out of business. (Prosecution in progress against the firm owner.)

    -Davenport Lyon: Prosecution in progress. The law firm will probably go out of business.

    -Attracted the media and public attention about the behavior of rogues corporation and enhanced the boycott.

    Operation Payback was obviously a resounding success costing nothing to anons. As a result I am sure it will be repeated at some point when warranted with more powerful DDOSing tools in the hand of many anons. Enjoy the pause while it last.

    Ya, I know it suck for you guys
    but think about the alternatives. So far they have been only one bombb threat and the Hollywood studio in LA burned only once. No music or movie executive was harmed*.

    *during the making of this movie as certified by the society for the protection of music parasi. . . sorry I mean executives. LOL Woo! Woo!

  • anti-anon

    Saved face my @ss, they’ve proved once and for all that they are a bunch of retard losers with no lives that gathered like sheep for useless bullsh!t.

  • Honest Bob

    Hey anon (right above me), as most of us say to the cartels “where’s your proof”?

    Million in sales lost? hardly, unless they’ve got hundreds of millions of sales from their websites, in which case the 2-3 days you knocked their site offline is still a drop in the bucket.

    ACS:law and davenport – Anon did nothing about starting a prosecution, it was already in progress. They already had most of the evidence, all you did was up the timetable, SLIGHTLY (or don’t you read TF?)

    The media just used it as an easy story. “bunch of kids attack companies, take their websites offline for a little bit, now a water-skiing squirrel” All you did was make those opposed to copyright look like a group of kids vandalizing websites. Well Done.

    Operation Payback was such a resounding success because how many of the targets are still offline? That’s right, none. You’ve just made it easier to pass laws censoring things, to stop these kinds of criminal attacks. How clever of you.

    Operaton:payback, brought to you by the Ex-RIAA lawyers at the Department of Justice.

  • Anonymous

    A legal method to express your frustration and disquiet with the copyright industry?

    That’s the same thing as saying “a useless method”. Trying to reform copyright law and seek justice against the copyright industry through legal means is a surefire way to accomplish nothing whatsoever.

    Compare the results Pirate Parties have gotten with their “civilized” approach to the results Operation Payback got by simply going on a wild DDoS rampage.

    The moment you start worrying about self-image and how fighting back makes you look is the moment you become a toothless nobody who won’t engender any changes to anything.

    Imagine if Rosa Parks, instead of sitting down in the white peoples’ section of the bus, had sat down in the black peoples’ section of the bus like a good little law-abiding niggeress and the next day wrote a polite letter to the Govornor explanaining it would be really kind of nice if segregation was abolished?

    She wouldn’t have accomplished a damn thing, and that’s my point. No civil movement has ever achieved one iota of success by respecting the laws that persecute them and politely asking for change. They’ve only succeeded by BREAKING the laws that persecute them and fighting back in ways that are considered neither couth nor legal.

    A movement that seeks the approval of well mannered society is a movement that’s going nowhere. If that’s the path Operation Payback and the Pirate Parties have chosen, then they are well and truly useless.

    To paraphase the letter urging OP to surrender, please defend your freedoms, your rights and your liberty by flatly rejecting moderate and legal ways, for they will do nothing but condemn you to irrelevence eternally.

  • 4chan

    we are stupid
    we are retards
    we are brain dead

  • Anonymous

    This development shows some interesting parallels with Project Chanology. Like Operation Payback, Project Chanology also started with a DDoS, but after being told by the one known as Wise Beard Man (who was already fighting Scientology way before 4chan existed) that their current strategy was not a good one, they switched to other methods.

    Will this open letter from the Pirate Parties be the “Message to Anonymous” for Operation Payback?

  • Anonymous

    “Operation Payback was such a resounding success because how many of the targets are still offline? That’s right, none.”

    You are wrong: one site is permanently dead: ACS law. This was unexpected and it was not the plan by the way.

    You are a fool if you don’t recognize the power of a group such as Anon and if you dismiss the anger of the people made at the corporations in general and the entertainment industry in particular.

    That was just a warning shoot, just like a pack of wolves baring their teeth.

    Anon would have used something else if they wanted to do more and there is plan for doing just that if thing does not turn out the way they like.

    LOIC is not very much more powerful than a browser with the F5 key pushed down.

    Moreover there is tools down there that can let one person using one computer bring down a big web site such as iTune or Google. There is tools that can shutdown entire area of the net.

    Imagine what will happen if 10 of thousand of people start using such tools.

    Internet, societies, countries, corporations, nothing can stand without a consensus.

    There is currently no consensus concerning the entertainment industry. So this is very simple. Either a consensus is reach very quickly or the current entertainment industry will die.

    The bottom line is that time is running out. This is the message and dismissing or blaming the messengers will not help.

  • Antonymous

    Reading these comment lists is so amusing, some of the kids involved do take themselves too seriously it seems.

  • Anonymous

    well, i guess every issue has to have the law abiding side and the anarchist side

  • MAFIAA

    Nice try but too late I’m afraid.

    And I hope that Anonymous does not have a spokesperson. Would be in the interest of ‘the spokesperson’.

  • Anon

    Let the Pirate Parties do what they do best; writing letters and manifestos. We still need those willing to take up the offensive. Attack from all sides!

  • Anonymous

    Anybody who becomes a ‘Party’ is headed by political opportunists.

    Anyone calling for ‘political’ solutions is corrupt or an idiot.

    Anonymous has no Party, no loyalty and no mercy.

    We are Legion. Expect Us.

  • Anonymous

    Tux is the most egotistical moron that I’ve ever seen.

  • Azrael

    If there was one thing I could ask O:P participants to do, it would be for them to put at least as much time and energy into their local Pirate Party.

    I don’t know how many people are involved with O:P, and I don’t know how many of them are involved with Pirate Parties, but I do know that they are angry, and justifiably so. I suspect they (like me) also feel that governments and huge corporate machines are against them leaving them with little belief in ‘the system’.

    I don’t know if we can achieve our aims by working within the system, but I know that if I don’t try it is a betrayal of my beliefs and goals. I fervently wish for all O:P participants to share this way of thinking with me.

    You’ve already shown that when you all unite with a single purpose in mind, you can make a difference. Please, if you are not already, join your local Pirate Party and make a difference there too.

  • Naosj

    I hope every will resolve with themselves to maintain a super boycott on all music, movies, television, and games when the corporations inevitably ruin the Internet. Hopefully, they’ll run out of money and make way for businesses with the people in mind.

  • Anonymous

    At least Operation Payback did something, no political entity will ever take us seriously just talking. More conflicts in the past have been solved by force than by talking. They wont ever listen to the people because the MAFIAA owns them all, i say they keep going, at least it brought attention and did something that pissed them off. At least it brought on a response instead of just being blown off when we talk. Anon just go back to DDOSING the crap outta them.

  • nipples

    CEASE FIRE!

  • Quartz

    some other poster said …
    “Democracy does not work. The only thing this will do is alienate anonymous from the pp”

    I dont think anyone here is in a position to speak for anyone else as an individual or a collective.

    Leaving all the arguments aside regarding how effective the attacks where they did generate a lot of online support and publicity from many folks opposed to what they see as their rights being abused arbitraily by vested corporate interests, the bottom line on this is that there is no real right or wrong in halting or continuing the action … however, like a man who discovers he has a loaded pistol its a sensible idea to pick and choose when to fight and also not fire all the ammunition at once, success is measured in more than one way and currently operation payback is in credit, a sensible plan is to ensure whatever is or is not done the cartel come out of this looking bad, taking down a websites sure is fun but knowing the media mafias name is linked negatively each time someone searches the web is priceless.

  • X

    We’re just following the US government’s fine example, if you want something… you trash everything. bully and threaten until you get your own way.

  • neostyles

    What is “backed up by hard data” is that letting people download anything their heart desires for free will not benefit the economy or the artists. The pirate party seems to basically be a lobbying organisation for file sharing.. as if they are trying to legalize free things. I mean, what do they mean by fair copyright? That bears a striking resemblance the mantra of pirates which is basically “the only fair copyright is no copyright because we are entitled to everything.”

  • Colin

    Freedom fighters/terrorists – according to how you view them – are only successful when they win popular support. Eg, IRA and Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland won because the ordinary Catholics supported their actions and didn’t help the plod.

    In the case of the copyright MAFIAA, the first thing to do to defeat them, is get the ordinary man in the street, who wouldn’t know a computer from a sack of potatoes, to understand that Big Content is ripping him off massively. Then you can start threatening politicians with not voting for them, because losing LOTS of votes could put them out of a very cosy little job.

    There ARE effective lobbying organisations, eg 38 Degrees in the UK, that work by mobilising mass petitions. But the filesharing community is way too disorganised to try that at the moment.

  • adasdg

    Well written article. Enigmax FTW.

  • Anonymous

    we are Citizens of the Internet,
    we should setup a government entity supported by the people to defend our rights and freedom on the Internet

  • Rekrul

    They reason that the continuation of the operation plays into the hands of organizations that wish to “pervert” copyright law for personal gain and hampers the progress of those seeking copyright reform through legitimate means.

    There’s never going to be any meaningful copyright reform though “legitimate” means. The copyright industry spent millions, maybe even billions to get copyright law extended to where it is today. There’s no way in hell that they’re going to let anyone take any of that away from them. The US government has proven that it’s more than willing to pass whatever new laws the copyright industry wants. So it doesn’t matter how many studies are done proving that reigning in copyright law would benefit society. It doesn’t matter how many law professors write papers on how current copyright law is unfair. Nothing matters except the millions in bribes that the copyright industry pumps into the politicians’ campaign funds.

    Until something is done to remove the lobbyists’ influence over the government, copyright law virtually rests in the hands of the copyright industry, and they’re not about to let anyone change that.

  • U_MAD

    LOL no.

    Regards – O.P.

    also – since when has the pirate party accomplished anything?

  • Anonymous

    epic fail

    like the pirate partys can do jack shit…..

    if history has taught us anything it is that non direct action leads to nothing.

    you can protest for years and try to gain power in parliments and you will change fuck all

    at least this was doing somthing

    what a punch of fucking pussys you all are fuck operation payback and fuck the pussy pirate parties your no better than the people who sue children for downloading mp3′s

    SCUM!

  • Amelia Andersdotter

    my understanding was that this was an initiative from ppus and ppuk, and i’m not personally sure that i agree with strong wordings against ddosing webpages (i will leave it unsaid under which circumstances – it’s always difficult to tell when a method of protest has outlived its usefulness, but generally they don’t live very long at all)..

    it’s a civil disobedience discussion. what is civil disobedience?
    does this fall within civil disobedience? when is civil disobedience
    okay and condoneable and perhaps primarily when is it useful? but primarily, and i believe the fear expressed by ppuk and ppus in their original letter was that this would cause fear with legislators that would cause them to take unnecessarily harsh action against internet users, under what circumstances do we need
    to make harder legislation to deal with civil disobedience?

    i know two civil disobedience groups in sweden, ofog
    (http://www.ofog.org/) and klimax (http://twitter.com/klimaxmalmo), that
    have at repeated occasions destroyed property of other entities (well,
    companies) or blocked traffic (peacefully) in a way that is clearly
    either outside the boundaries of the law or disturbing to the public
    order. the klimax experience is that they’re not really bothered with
    the police: they block traffic for one or two hours, they leave,
    everything goes back to normal. some of the ofog people have, to my
    knowledge, been arrested for having destroyed property of swedish fire
    arm manufacturers. neither of the groups have caused any legislative
    intervention.

    mathias klang at göteborgs universitet wrote an essay on civil
    disobedience online
    (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1137700) that
    discusses ddos protest methods further. clearly it would be useful if
    reflections on these issues would reach parliaments world wide, although admittedly i’m seeing a lot of tendencies in politics today towards lesser tolerance against any form of protest, whether civilly obedient or not
    (yeeeeeeeees i’m working on it…..).

  • asobier

    This must be the lamest yet.
    I’m well over 50 so let me tell
    you girls, once you started the fight you better keep on fighting.
    This bs coming from uk which is
    overt and subvert mi5 operation
    should be loughed at.
    Just think.

  • Anonymous

    YAR GOD DAMNNIT! MOVE FORWARD YOU BASTARDS! TAKE NO QUARTERS!

  • Dia

    So the Pirate Parties were behind it…

  • Ash Ketchum

    Political discussions? LOL! Piracy should be legal? No. File sharing should be legal. Copyright lifespan? Who cares as long as file sharing is legal.

  • Anonymous

    But it’s fun….

  • Anonymous

    I think if operation payback stops, it will be a good thing. The DDOS attacks showed that the internet is not to be taken in any way lightly, but if they stop, it will also show that the internet is perfectly capable of reasonable discussion. Of course, if no-one wants to listen, then going back to full-on DDOSing seems like the best solution.

  • anon

    @3
    you nailed it with “3. costing ‘them’ money gets things changed. the more money they lose the quicker the change.
    thats it. YOU WANT TO CHANGE THINGS POLITICALLY? LOLZ? HOPE YOU HAVE MORE MONEY THAN MAFIAA CUZ ONLY BRIBES WORK BRO. yup, moneys all that matters, i highly recommend not buyinhg anything you dont have to, bring the economy to a screeching halt and become self sufficient, and when they ask why tell em your fighting back and air your grievances. as long as you put money in these bastards pockets they will hurt you with it. this isnt just about piracy, the whole things a corruption cesspool and the people really need to take back all aspects of the government. im pretty sick of lobbyist bribes deciding how my life goes, how bout u?

  • Anonymous

    Legal rebellion isn’t rebellion.
    It also does not work.

  • Anon

    You damned cowards! Backing out now is exactly what the enemy wants us to do. We need to keep hitting them again and again until they finally surrender. Trying to go through legal venues will just let them recover and strengthen.
    There can be no peace so long as the RIAA exists and continues to threaten our liberty.

  • X

    Neo “What is “backed up by hard data” is that letting people download anything their heart desires for free will not benefit the economy or the artists.”

    The artists can do fine, they don’t need the leech of a middle-man industry that dictates who does and doesn’t get promotion.

    The economy? A bulls**t monetary system controlled by crooks. I’ll worry about the economy when the Fed stops printing dollars for banks that cost every man, woman and child in America $2000 just for their latest gaming of a bullshit economy. (For now, I run my own business, all existing work I produce can be used for free for non-commercial purposes – and we’re still thriving in a recession, what’s the secret?? Hard work on a regular basis!!)

    Supply and demand… a recording of something can be supplied by anyone, hard work (bespoke development in my industry, gigs and merchandising in the music industry, etc.) can only be supplied by those with the skill to deliver… not just making money duplicating shit (we still make money from that which we release for free, it acts as advertising and can be licensed for commercial use).

    The world has changed Neo, get used to it… all the lazy bastards that have been rolling in undeserved millions will soon have to!

  • Umm..

    It’s plain to me you self-righteous idiots don’t have the first clue about what the pirate party stands for if you think it condones “piracy” in the sense of selling shitty recorded DVDs on to make a profit. They are completely against that. Read the policies you fucking twat before you open your mouth… They want to legalise file sharing, not piracy ffs.

  • Ninja

    I seriously doubt things will change by fully ‘legal’ ways. Specially when you realize that money rules everything.

    If MAFIAA realizes right now that file sharing gives them sh!tloads of money indirectly then they’ll start supporting file sharing tomorrow. That’s how it works. Nobody cared for the environment but now that the pollution has started COSTING then everybody talks about it.

    I wonder what’s the best way to deal with this issue. MAFIAA has chosen the aggression and they’ll succeed as long as there’s no unity among their clients in the sense of promoting a full scale boycott or something like. The problem here is that uniting and showing them a big middle finger requires unity, much like OP has done for a while with the coordinated attacks.

  • Anonymous

    lol. fat losers and script kiddies unite.

    what a joke. you’ve already lost.

  • anon

    During the French Revolution, before democracy existed the people united into a single terrifying mob, aiming their wrath at a single target, the king and all his loyalists. That is when rulers realized the need for democracy. Not for insuring freedom, but for insuring control. It gives them the opportunity to keep the mob divided into two (or more) factions.Using Democracy they turn the factions against each other, so they waste all their time and resources fighting each other. Meanwhile the same group of manipulators remains in control. Democracy doesn’t change things, it keeps them the same. It prevents any majority outside the existing regime from even forming. From effecting any significant change, (as the mob did in France so many years ago).

  • Anonymous

    @90 That’s right, boy, stay away from us and hide using our name >:)

  • Anonymous

    “It gives them the opportunity to keep the mob divided into two (or more) factions.”

    Ya and them they invented worst by declaring a particular religious group the enemy such as the Jewws in 1930. While people were busy bothering the Jews they robbed them blind.

    Now they are trying to repeat these with the Musllim but it does not work with us an we know who we have to kiill:

    The corporatists!

  • Anonymous

    @90

    “what a joke. you’ve already lost.”

    You are dreaming troll and you are a fool soon to be extinct.

  • lol

    its amazing how many idiots criticize operation payback when they single handedly took down the criminal Andrew Crossly and ACS:LAW.

    Soo please.. stfu. Fail.

    Anonymous has done more than you idiots leaving comments on websites then you will do in your lifetime.. so until you actually DO something about the issues, please be quiet.

  • anonymous relay chatter

    Whichever cu|-|ts are still sitting in Operation Payback trying to make a name for themselves are an absolute JOKE and the sheer definition of shitheads on the Internet. Just go to the now deserted IRC channel and chat to a self-proclaimed “leader of anonymous” about how they “run the internet” with IRC scripts and access to child pornography. I’m not kidding.

    OP was hilarious and actually drummed up some decent attention and exposed ACS:Law all those weeks ago… There were some true playaz on IRC back then, didn’t take anything too seriously, stayed anonymous and shared some great values for P2P sharing. These people ducked out at the right time and are back into the shadows – or should I say ACTUALLY DOING SHIT – like they were before hand; they just didn’t feel the need to tell everyone who they were and what they did.

    Good work original OP crew like newfag (made ircloic), NewEraCracker (contuinued the work), Token (hosted irc server), Xenu (drummed everyone up and did ACS Action News, fucking hilarious guy) and all those nicks that I’ve forgotten. Good times!

  • sandeep

    WE R LEGION DERP DERP

    lol

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  • Jay Emerson

    I’m Operations Officer for the United States Pirate Party and this letter has been taken down due to the fact ONE member named Andrew Norton decided to post it.

    You may know him, he says he works here.

    Or he may be lying, nobody can ever tell.

    I am in full support of e-activism.

    For the purpose of transparency, you can see his personal dislike of Anonymous was the reason he sneaked it onto the website and then had it reported here. Here’s the email:

    On 11/20/2010 1:19 PM, Brad Hall wrote:
    > The one about Operation Payback? Did it really make them cease activities?

    Kinda sorta. They asked us for the letter. Of course, the low-level
    script kiddies are rebelling against authority (they don’t like being
    told ‘no’, by anyone, for any reason) and are getting upset. Bunch of
    scriptkiddies. But yes, the main leadership has basically stopped, just
    the arrogant me-too-ers

    Oh, and They don’t seem to like my comments on it, so they’re debating
    about ddosing me personally. Which kinda proves my point.

    >
    > http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-parties-use-influence-to-halt-operation-payback-101120/
    >
    > –
    > Records Officer, United States Pirate Party

    - –
    Andrew Norton
    Legal Officer, US Pirate Party
    http://www.pirate-party.us

    _________

    Now THAT’S wikileaks-esque journalism!

    kthnxbai!

  • r
  • Jay Emerson

    Thanks.

    Please keep the info coming!

    I’m doing my own investigation into matters so the more evidence the better and of course…i’ll share what I have with everyone as well :-)

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  • UNF

    PPuk+usa have certainly outed themselves with this pusillanimous* statement as a bunch of weak-minded faggots who are already well broken-in by the MAFIAA mindfcukers and cannot wait to proclaim total pre-emptive capitulation in the face of the enemy. These humble poodles want only to beg a crumb from their Master’s table, not break a leg off it and lustily bludgeon him to oblivion, as any self-respecting Pirate would automatically do. Such gutless losers posing as leaders must be eliminated before they can cause further damage.

    * pusillanimous = lacking courage and resolution : marked by contemptible timidity

  • Donno

    What do we want!

    Moderate change?

    How do we get it?

    Through the correct channels?

    When do we want it?

    In due course!

    Yeah I dunno man, mainstream tactics for mainstream causes, but something you gotta do fringe tactics for fringe causes. This is getting this often ignored issue into the press, and when people are finally talking about it, then sure. But I’m not sure we’re there yet. Most people don’t know shit about the issue, sadly.

  • FloatingMusic

    This is stupid. Distance yourselves from them if you wish to play politics, but asking them to decease is like putting flowers in the ends of the MAFIAA’s gunbarrels. NEVER assume that your enemy has a conscience, and NEVER assume that they are not regrouping during a ceasefire.

  • ANON

    UNF (comment 103) said everything i was going to.

    fuck the lameduck pirateparties. we expect these faggots to stand up for us? they don’t know much about fighting wars, less about winning them!

    the jewfag media corporations are not going to talk to what they perceive as a bunch of ineffectual kids on the net.

    we have to keep fucking them where it hurts, and stop their supply chain.

    keep up the ddos

  • boo

    lame. what spineless jerks. party politics sucks. all power to the social rebels! never give up anonymous!

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  • Anon

    Anonymous HAS a spokesperson?

  • bongo

    Ahhhhh . . . nothing more satisfying than watching some dirtbag lawyers getting some of their own medicine.
    It makes me smile. :D

    Screw all this toothless political BS.

    Simply knowing that:
    – an ahole like Gene Simmons lost a chunk of cash
    – a few of these sleazy law firms have paid a big price
    – and the rest of the BC thugs are pissed-off
    . . . is VERY satisfying.

    And a now a rousing cheer!
    GO OPERATION PAYBACK!!!

    Best online show around.
    Really fun to watch.
    Cannot wait for the next episode.

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  • Jay Emerson

    @UNF Comment 103

    That’s one person, our Legal Officer, formerly of Pirate Party International until he got tossed for things like this letter that he does often.

    http://www.pp-international.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25802&highlight=

    Me? I’m a guy that wants to go all out on our enemies. Student movement, Pirate Party, if it wants to fight the two party beast to get what we need, and some of what we want.

    Nah screw it, no crumbs, no half a loaf, I want the whole fucking bakery. None of this will matter after the Diplomat communications transcripts are dropped. Yet Andrew Norton, in these times, wanna pick on the one group we’re gonna depend on during the fight. Sends it to Torrentfreak and BLAM, magically it’s a news story here.

    Yeah, that’s not something that happens that quick unless something’s up beforehand. I don’t like feeling we got plants inside our ranks. But the game’s afoot Watson.

    Fucking….moron.

  • Jay Emerson

    http://www.pp-international.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25802&highlight=

    Back when I first came to the party, but still a good resume of shit starting I think.

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