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Pirate Party Leader and Anti-Piracy Boss Clash in Twitter Fight

Twitter can be a great tool to keep friends and total strangers updated on your life, to gather support for a cause or to pass on interesting content. However, as became apparent yesterday, the micro-blogging service is also an excellent medium for a fight off between people on different sides of the ‘war on piracy’.

By now we assume that most of our readers are familiar with BREIN, the Dutch anti-piracy organization that purged well over a thousand torrent sites from the Internet and single-handedly brought Mininova to its knees. Think what you want of them, but unlike their counterparts at IFPI they are at least willing to comment to TorrentFreak and others skeptical of their anti-piracy actions.

On the opposing side of the war on piracy we have groups like The Pirate Party. The political outfit has its roots in Sweden but is active in more than 30 countries worldwide, including BREIN’s home The Netherlands where it participated in the general elections earlier this year without success.

The Dutch Pirate Party is headed by Samir Allioui who formerly led Pirate Party International, an umbrella organization for all Pirate parties worldwide. As is his job, Allioui carefully watches the local media for piracy related discussions and he’s not too shy to respond to writings he doesn’t approve of.

So, when the Dutch newspaper De Pers published a column detailing why sharing copyrighted movies and music is wrong, he was quick to respond with a rebuttal piece. On Twitter, he alerted BREIN’s head Tim Kuik to his article, since Kuik had plugged the original piece a few hours earlier.

This tweet was the start of an interesting conversation between the two, starting with the following response from Tim Kuik.

TimKuik: @SamirAllioui ehh, let me think…it’s hard…added a nice drawing…bullshit?…yeah that’s it .. bullshit!”

Kuik’s tweet (translated)

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SamirAllioui: @TimKuik Good to know you don’t have any arguments against it content wise :)

TimKuik: @SamirAllioui ouch, you are so sharp, no wonder you’ve won so many seats, but now I am going back to serious issues

SamirAllioui: @TimKuik The Greens were not taken seriously either. But what they’ve done in 30 years, the Pirates did in 4 years. Time will tell.

TimKuik: @SamirAllioui But Samir … I believe you even applied for a job with us

This last tweet of Kuik doesn’t make much sense. TorrentFreak asked Allioui if he has any clue what BREIN’s boss is referring to, but he drew a blank as well. Our best guess is that Kuik is jokingly referring to Allioui’s byline, where he says he’s doing freelance work as a ‘information security’ expert. We also asked Tim for clarification and are awaiting a response.

After the last tweet the conversation moved on to other accusations. Allioui indirectly accuses BREIN of rent seeking and abusing the legal system in favor of the entertainment industry. Kuik obviously sees things differently and says they only ask the courts to uphold the law.

After some tweets back and forth and a good night sleep (to sober up?) the discussion ended this morning.

TimKuik: @SamirAllioui well, I’ve had enough fun with the Claptrap Party, I’m going back to real work

Claptrap in Dutch is ‘prietpraat’ which is phonetically close to ‘piet piraat’, a Dutch/Belgian kids show about a pirate.

It’s needless to say that both sides don’t have much respect for the opinion of the other, but it’s remarkable that they fought this out in public on Twitter. There seems to be quite a bit of unvented frustration that needed to be released. However, they can throw as much mud as they want but it is unthinkable that they’ll come even an inch closer to agreeing.

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  • Anon

    lolumad?

  • Sean

    Twitter is an over used, over commented on, over everything, peice of crap.

    But in this case, it seemed a bit interesting. It also showed how much more of a douche Tim Kuik is.

  • badass

    clash of the titans?

  • badass

    you mean, seriously?
    is it even worth noting?

  • Fredde

    Worthless articles are very rare here at TorrentFreak, but this is definitely one of them.

  • Anonymous

    Bo-ring. So Bo-ring. They should solve their arguments with their fists, like real men.
    (although Tim would probably run around screaming like a little girl)

    Now, that would be an interesting watch :P

  • SSG

    People actually fight on Twitter? Wow.

  • lmaho

    . . . . . . . . HandBags @ 10 paces . . . . . . . .

    The anti pirates are protectionist twits.

    You can’t beat them.
    BUT you can play along and let them implode !

  • Anonymous

    This is one of those little articles you see in the corner of the news paper

  • Anonymous

    this is the last tweet of Tim Kuik:

    “@SamirAllioui goed, ik heb weer genoeg lol gehad met de prietpraatpartij, ik ga weer aan het echte werk”

    And this translate to (a small edit form the translation of torrentfreak):

    “@SamirAllioui good, I’ve had enough fun with the Piet Pirate Party, I’m going back to real work”

    Note: Piet pirate is a Belgium children TV show.

  • meh

    makes total sense at the end actually.

    “TimKuik: @SamirAllioui well, I’ve had enough fun with the Pirate Party, I’m going back to real work”

    He had to leave because he was failing to actually win a level political fight. Instead he was going back to rigged political battles for money so he could get a few more inches under his cash mattress.

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  • Moron

    Twitters rubbish because you can only have 200 characters in a tweet. So you end up getting cut off and….

  • http://torrentfreak.com Ernesto

    @10 thanks, missed that one, edited

  • internetjoe

    This little squabble makes the Harry Potter stick fight scenes look like the bank gunfight scene in “Heat”. And I despise the Harry Potter films since they are horribly childish.

  • Ninja

    @12: Brilliant comment.

    Kuik is an arsehole that doesn’t have a clue about the internetz and even his garden (aka: the consumers). I wouldn’t expect much of a discussion specially considering Twitter is not something made with intelligence or high level argumentation in mind.

    Excuse me the ones who use it but try to voice your opinion properly with less than 200 chars and then disagree with me. Lolkthx ;)

  • Flying Dutchman

    I don’t really understand whats the point about this childish twitter fight (talking about both sides).

    They should instead hold a meeting and debate about the subject in a civil matter. I’m sure much more will be achieved than there is now. Bunch of kids…

  • Anonymous

    Ninja

    You are an idiot.
    Short enough?

  • lilars

    Ninja

    You are an idiot.
    Short enough?

  • Mark A.

    Reminds me of the fights between chris cornell and trent reznor on twitter. :)

  • Lol

    Ninja

    You are an idiot.
    Short enough?

  • neostyles

    That was so retarded. This deserved to be written as an article?

  • Johnny

    That Kuik is an arrogant little twat. Doesn’t have any arguments, except trying to belittle his opponent.

  • Toe Jam

    So when they finish the fight are they going to makeup and have some wild sex together?

  • General Snus

    Fluff article, but still interesting… hasn’t been a lot of articles the last few days… so thanks!

  • random pirate

    ” Kuik obviously sees things differently and says they only ask the courts to uphold the law.”
    i remember a professor who supports bittorrent was asked something and said the same thing “it’s up to the law/court”.
    If they keep saying that, they’re giving even more power to courts, whici is extremely bad in our days with all the bribes and the money gathered on the industries. unless new and more honest people become lawyers and judges, the “all-the-power-to-the-court” is a bad option for pirates.

  • hmmm

    Twitter fight ? Who even knows if it’s not fake ? Like those guys are going to argue directly using SMS-like whateverware…

    So many cases of fake twitter conversations on the net, weird you jump on that kind of stuff…

  • Travis McCrea

    @26 its not fake you can check their profiles. If you really want you can go on and search for refrences to their twitter accounts and I am sure you will find a post or page somewhere where each individual links to their accounts directly.

    Thats like saying “you just found that on apple.com, how do you know that domain isn’t faked?”

  • Whatever

    Who do those like Kuik, Crossley and others hang out with ? Only with their own kind or also others ? What do those people do when they meet (birthday or whatever) ? Do they close their eyes and mention that its just a job and as a person they are OK ? (using the perfect corporate controlled world excuse for them)

    @16 Flying Dutchman
    There has already been a debate with them present.

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  • Anonymous

    He is not the leader of the Pirate Party

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  • Pirate Party Netherlands insider

    Except… Samir Allioui is not heading the Dutch Pirate party (any more). Get your facts straight, TF.

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  • TheTechAdmin

    ” LOL U MAD BRO? “

  • Riv

    Timmehhhhhh

    Timmy is so lucky to live in Holland. He should go to Amsterdam, roll a bifta, and watch a DVDrip of Iron Man 2. I’ll happily send him a link to a site where he can view it without downloading it, seeing as he is against torrenting stuff.

    So Tim, How did that court order prohibiting The Pirate Bay from being accessed by Dutch users work out? How many Euro’s do they owe you now?

  • Thystan

    Something with paralympics and internet.

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