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Pirate Party Leader Imprisoned During DEB Debate?

The Digital Economy Bill has passed its second reading in the UK’s House of Commons and will be taken to a third today. During the reading, accuracy was thrown to the wind as Swedish Pirate Party leader Rick Falkvinge was reported as imprisoned.

Over the last year, TorrentFreak has covered the controversies surrounding the Digital Economy Bill (DEB) extensively. ISPs don’t want it, many MPs don’t want it, the legal profession doesn’t think it’s legal and over 20,000 people have emailed their elected representatives to voice their displeasure.

Championed by Baron Mandelson after an entirely coincidental holiday meeting with Dreamworks co-founder David Geffin, the Bill has now taken another step in its rush to become law before the end of Parliament, despite all the protests and criticisms.

The Bill, which the UK Pirate Party say “will shape the future of technological and artistic progress” was not important to most MPs. Through the 5 hours of debates, only around 20 MPs were present, including just one from the Liberal Democrat party  - Don Foster (Lib-Dem, Bath) – who had pledged not to vote for the Bill.

The scene at 9:45pm after 5 hours of speeches

Debate was mostly back and forth over the contentious issue of disconnections, but industry figures and unverified estimates were again quoted as fact. Many (including Labour MPs) were outraged at the Government for having left it so late to try and rush through a Bill as complex and controversial as this. It did, however, get passed at this second reading and will be taken to a third tomorrow.

The low turnout didn’t stop the invective, however, or the silly comments, lies, inaccuracies and other miscellaneous statements, all of which were picked up on Twitter (over 16,000 tweets under the #DEB and #DEBill tags), and analyzed a great deal more thoroughly than by these MPs that had apparently read the Bill. Some of the most memorable points include:

  • “The creative industries have grown at twice the rate of the economy as a whole over the past 10 years, and they should do so again over the next 10″. Ben Bradshaw MP
  • [on Clause 43 - Orphan works] “Let me provide an example of where this is already going wrong. An image of none other than the great Lord Mandelson himself is apparently being used to market a Russian vodka, with the caption, “When only the best is good enough”. If ever we needed proof that captions to pirated images can be misleading, surely that is it.” Jeremy Hunt MP
  • The Government could have brought this Bill before Parliament ages ago, because these issues have been in the public domain for years. The Gowers review of intellectual property is so old it is practically out of copyright.” Jeremy Hunt MP
  • “I cannot see how the Bill takes on India or China; I simply cannot see a single provision that does so. They are not going to settle for 2 megabytes; they are going to settle for 100 — and much, much more.” Derek Wyatt MP
  • “Listen, if we want the smartest, most creative industry, we have to tackle intellectual property and copyright together. They cannot just be shunted in as a couple of paragraphs; they are so fundamental to the reason why people write music, sing or create whatever they do.” Derek Wyatt MP

And most amusingly:

  • “People are not talking about co-operating and sharing their own thoughts and content, but are stealing someone else’s content and sharing that. There is an Armageddon, which has partially arrived in Sweden, where the Pirate Party, whose leader is in jail, won seats in the European Parliament on the basis that everybody’s work—including MP4’s—should be free.” Michael Connarty MP. Rick Falkvinge was quick to point out that he remains a free man.”Despite rumors to the contrary, it is still not illegal in Sweden to hold political opinions that would bring the country into the digital age,” he told TorrentFreak. “Such a  society would be atrocious and far out of line from all Human Rights Conventions. One might also wonder what other facts proponents of the Digital Economy Bill have gotten entirely wrong.”

The Bill passed despite extensive opposition from many MPs present, who had concerns over specific amendments and the breakneck pace the Bill is being forced through with virtually no debate. The sensible suggestion that it be left for the next Government to reintroduce was derided as it is “needed now”, despite the fact that those industries have not only survived, put prospered without the Bill for the last 10 years.

Meanwhile, the MPs were not so much concerned with the public outcry, as the sartorial comments on Twitter. The Bill now gets a total of two hours for Committee, Reports and its third reading later today, after which it will be (probably) passed.

The first two hours of debate can be watched on the BBC website and the transcripts are here. The third reading of the DEB is scheduled for tonight and if the bill passes it will head over to the Lords where it will be signed into law.

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  • Me

    Go Rick!

  • Anonymous

    All those empty seats.
    Your government hard at work!

  • sol

    @3 exactly what i was thinking lol

  • NoOneInSpecial

    Interesting article.

    Sad, how pathetic our governments have become (or have the ever be better – dunno…)

    Thank you for investigating and putting together lots of useful information day after day.

    There’s just one thing I’d have to admonish: the quality of your headlines seems to be rather decaying, already reminding me of the bad old rainbow press. Are you afraid of losing visitors? Trying to attract new ones?
    Me for one, I’m here for the facts, not really attracted by the headlines (though lil by lil getting annoyed by them…).

    Well, keep up the good work, and please work on those headlines – they shine a bad light on you…

  • Glemball

    They spent nearly 30 minutes comparing themselves to Star Wars characters. Maybe they could dress up as them tonight and do some serious debate on this bill. Sorry attempt to control what we see and do.

  • John

    Check here to see if your local MP was there or not:

    http://www.didmympshowupornot.com/

  • oli

    @3

    Well this is what happens when people don’t keep an eye on their government, it becomes someone elses.

  • Peter

    LOL at the Democracy Live bit. You’d be a fool to believe anyone has a democracy.

  • http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com Ben Jones

    The decision on the headline was mine, and I picked it to, yes, catch the eye. It was also to focus on one of the most obvious and blatant lies rather than be dismissed as a ‘boring drab roundup’

    Personally, I tend towards the punny and alliterative for headlines, but I usually get over-ruled. C’est la vie.

  • cde

    If such a small relative number of people turned up to a Students’ Union meeting, it would be declared inquorate and no voting could take place.

    How can so few be allowed to shape policy at all? Just because they turned up, they can somehow claim to accurately represent the views of the many absentees (and the thousands of constituents who have lodged their disapproval)?

  • James

    Haha.. That’s not many people to have to pay off now is it! ?! No wonder stupid laws get in. Democracy is a joke now.

  • Hans pandacunt

    Stupid mandlequeer, and all because of a shitty under the table deal. What a wanker.

  • anonymous

    goes to show that even in a country where freedom of speech and democracy is supposed to be all important, the will of the ordinary people is of least importance. i give it 6 months max until the public realises what they have not just lost but had taken from them by a bunch of greedy, idiotic bas***ds and when the s**t really hits the fan!

  • elipse

    It makes one wonder why the government even claim it be “for the people.” If it were “for the people,” the outcry from those people would make a difference.

    But here we have it: A piddly few idiots sitting around discussing the fate of the country. I’m guessing it would have passed had only one person showed up as well.

  • MM99

    Perhaps in the future, a single person would probably be able to shape new policies by himself…

  • James

    I honestly don’t see any reason why we even still have a Government. They obviously have no interest in listening to the people any more. Might as well dismantle it and let the lobby groups run countries, which they pretty much do anyway. We could also save a ton of money not having to pay fat politicians that do nothing.

  • Richard

    I watched the shambles in The House of Commons yesterday and found myself getting angrier by the second. I heard one MP in favour of the bill stating that they need to stop pirates sharing People to People Firewalls. I for one would love to know just what the hell one of those is??!!
    I wrote 4 letters in total to different MP’s via the 38 degrees site, including my own Liberal Democrat Norman Baker MP (Lewes), who at first were going to support the bill; then in a letter to me stated that they were going to oppose the bill. When it came to the actual day (1 week later) Only 1 person from his party (Lib Dems) actually turned up and he was fucking supporting the bill as is. Thanks for not turning up for work Norman and actually doing your job for once. Useless pr**k.
    Also, when new bills are made, they normally start in the House and are then passed on to The Lords before becoming law. Why was done the other way round this time; because the snake in the grass Mandleson is not only a Lord (god knows why) but also the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS). So they basically broke protocol in order to try and get a law through a dying government via obvious back-handers (read: party contributions)that would only benefit the major labels and studios while crapping all over everyone else.

    The turn out of MP’s who are allegedly supposed to talk for us during such matters was shocking to say the least. They basically embarrassed the UK in front of the world yet again.

    To quote one Twitter user last night, ‘It’s like watching 5 year olds discussing quantum physics’

    /rant

  • Trelew

    I guess this is just another example on how Big Business corrupts government. Probably behind closed doors, politicians and senior government bureaucrats were given this bill by some corporate lobbyist along with a lot of “incentives” and told to ram it through the process.

  • Anonymous

    one thing which did amuse me was John Grogan from Selby. He mentioned how this bill only came about because Lord Mandelson spent time with private interests in Corfu.

    He had criticised one of his own party members for being corrupt. So i sent him an email congratulating him.

  • Anonymous

    It’s time we reboot humanity.

  • James

    18 Apr 07, 2010 at 16:17 by Trelew :

    I would bet that’s exactly how it works now. No point thinking we have a representative in governments around the world.

  • Anonymous

    only 2 weeks ago most of the uk goverment was offering laws changed/made for cash.

    labour are pigs at a trough they will never leave until every last bit has been consumed.

    no wonder most papers in the uk refer to mandleson as lord voldemort.

  • Anonymous

    So, is it time to get a proper VPN?

  • Anonymous

    I wonder what proportion of those who oppose the Digital Economy Bill are against it because it might make it more difficult to continue their own illegal activity. How many bribers are opposing the Bribery Bill that is also going through parliament? If they are doing so, our MPs must feel like they’ve won the Lottery!

  • duane

    @ 22
    Pigs, in a very Orwellian sense.

  • Anonymous

    @6,

    The Cardiff and Woking MP’s didn’t.
    Pathetic really. How can you call yourself a politician when you’re not even present when policies effecting every member of your consituency is being discussed.

    I hope to Lords rip this to shreads when they get it. Usually, they are quite sane.

    Also, by the way, if it does become law, all is not lost. In the UK it is *far* easier to remove a law than add one. It’s a prime candidate to be revoked after party handover.

  • cwrw

    D.Cameron.
    Will fix it. for you.

    All computers will be destroyed [by his blue shirted Cameron’s army]
    Vote for the pirate party

  • cwrw

    Anonymou @26
    It’s an ass backwards bill it went through the lords first

  • amirite

    I liked the artists sing because of the money bit.

    btw, I didn’t know PM Michael Connarty was in prison?

  • PLASMARIFLE

    the pic reminds me off when the u.s. congress passed the illegal income tax law…6 or 7 guys voting in the middle of the night in true clandestine fashion.

  • John Down

    What a joke democracy has become (or always has been).

  • gorehound

    Big buisness wins over the people of the UK.I am sorry for you and hope you get the Entertainment Industry back for their greedy ways.

  • Ninja

    *POP* goes Democracy

    I’m sorry but only money can support the baseless argument of the people pro-DEB. All the main arguments have some flaw which makes us wonder whether they understood what they read or they are plain uninformed dumb asses… Or the money option…

  • Ninja

    Oh, where’s the edit button when we need it..

    [edit] The headline is awesome btw, shows how tragically comic this has become

  • hugahuga

    “on the basis that everybody’s work—including MP4’s—should be free.”

    I heard that on these days people are pirating even .avi files.

    That must stop, that’s why the entire pirate party in Sweden is in jail.

  • Anonymous

    who cares about the bill it wont catch me. military grade full disk encryption and encrypted vpn:)

  • Anon

    If people won’t pay for music and film then who can afford to make it?

  • Worried User

    So will a VPN be any good if the isps are obliged to report bandwidth usage? Will the “disguise” or however the VPNs work, make the server you’re directly connecting to not realise how much bandwidth you are taking up and for how long?

    I’m not technical enough to really get how they work but it seems to me that if you’re a paying customer of the isp & dialling directly into their servers then they’re going to know who you are and what bandwidth you’re using even if they can’t prove you’re using p2p do get anything you fancy.
    Would this be enough to warrant a “mandy hates you cos geffen has a bigger cock, uhm, I mean wallet” first-strike letter?

    How hard and how soon will the isps be reporting any of this stuff anyway? talktalk etc hardly seem keen to take up the reigns and charge more for their services as a result?

    Final thought – instead of us all getting VPNs can we all club together and buy a few of our own MPs? We could get them to wear TPB tattoos on their forehead so everyone knows they’re corrupt… Transparent government!

  • worried user

    in reply to #37

    Musicians can actually work full time rather than a few weeks a year and use free song distribution to advertise for gigs/merchendise

    Films – we have way too many over elaborate, plot lacking, cash hungry films being made, cinemas gouge us, dvds were hideously expensive and the latest releases still are. movie actors are over paid.
    They can fix some of those things and make the cinema/dvd experience better value for money with the money being distributed more fairly and not god knows what going to a few high profile actors.

    No musician or film studio HAS to be in that industry. We don’t still have to ride horses so the blacksmiths have work to do.

    This is the technological revolution, and like it or not things have to alter. The box is open.

  • worried user

    Final post!

    Could we get an article here detailing exactly what the best set up is to have to avoid being detected? Or is there something here already?

  • Brilliant Death

    If this goes through, we really oughtta try the french method of protest on the verge of riot. That tends to get much better results. We won’t though, we are too apathetic as a nation. Having said that, I’m pretty sure we’ll all being quite actively carrying out ‘civil disobedience’.

  • Capn

    @41 and it usually costs more than the benefit. Just look at the HUNDREDs of police needed to supress the EDL protests.

  • Whatever

    @8 Peter
    Thats also the first thing that caught my attention in the picture: “democracy”

    Democracy, where ?

  • un happy

    I CAN FILL A BIG DOS ATTACK HAPPENING UTD BOT NET HAA

  • Reacto

    Define Guilt? here u go pedos

    http://tinytim.tk/defineguilt

  • $deity

    Sorry, but who do these pictured people represent?

    It is not the common person that is for sure.

    What a facade, what a despicable display of disrespect for constituents.

    Time to remove these arseholes, either at the ballot box or forcibly.

  • IHeard

    @46 $deity

    I’m with you on this one. This really makes me sad and ashamed to be represented by so many seemingly uneducated individuals. It is time for a change but again who have we to choose from? Don’t vote for Conservative and risk Labour getting back in or a hung parliament. I would like to vote for an-other. Our representatives are truly pathetic to say the least. People need a voice and these proven corrupt politicians are not going to talk for us.

    Something needs to be done. May 6 will go some way I’m sure.

  • MM

    Good outrage is only way to get people to go out and vote against these corporate peon parties!

  • hmm

    so if this passes and they do start to disconnect people what happens to the getting everyone online by whenever bit the government keep telling people? cant have it both ways surely

  • Sendaii

    I was watching the debate (if you could call it that) on BBC Parliament last night, it was a bloody shambles. These people have the fate of British internet users in their hands, can have a say on what we can and can’t do in our own homes, on OUR internet, and they spent the evening pissing around and making stupid mistakes and jokes about vodka while discussing a subject that they clearly know nothing about. I really do fear for our future.

    Either way, I’m taking no chances. I’ve taken out a VPN subscription, which I’ll be using all of the time, and I’m in the process of making sure that my family and friends are protected.

    It’s on.

  • neostyles

    And most amusingly….

    What exactly is so amusing about that? This is exactly what the copyright/digital media debate has revolved around ever since it began. Only pirates have tried to repackage it with irrelevant issues like how long copyrights take to expire. A recent article at TF indicated that there are almost 400 million pirates. All these people are busy, casually ripping off copyright holders night and day.

    Like they said, this should have been addressed years ago. Online piracy comes in many forms : public trackers, edonkey, usenet, private scene groups, etc. But it’s all devoted to one very simply purpose : getting things for free. No matter what people want others to believe, it’s not about the ability to consume media digitally (there are dozens of sources for legal downloads now) or being “independent.” It’s simple the convenience of getting things without payment.

    And as soon as a law is introduced that would make people pay for the things that they have grown accustomed to getting free for many years, they become hysterical. They claim that their rights are being violated or that they are being enslaved by their government.

    This was going to happen at some point or another. A system in which everything is free cannot work and was doomed to fail from the beginning. People have to make money off of their work. It is the most basic part of an economy.

  • ?

    I’m sick of it.

    Regional news is loosing money because TV ads aren’t worth as much anymore, not that people aren’t watching TV.

    Next, if this passes, everybody should just accuse the media companies of copyright infringement. Just say do logged their IP address sharing something you made. Anybody can accuse anybody. We still won’t be able to proove anything. It doesn’t matter anyway. They don’t have to sell DVD’s, CD’s or Blu-Ray products. They couuld just say come and see us or go to the cinema, but no, they try and milk more money.

  • ?

    Also forget to mention that just because 100,000+ people work in the creative industry doesn’t mean they all support the bill. How can he use that against 20,000 e-mails?

  • TerribleTony

    Well that was riveting stuff.

  • me

    #15 MM19: “Perhaps in the future, a single person would probably be able to shape new policies by himself…”

    This idea has already been used in fiction:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_%28short_story%29

  • me

    neostyles: “And as soon as a law is introduced that would make people pay for the things that they have grown accustomed to getting free for many years, they become hysterical.”

    If I were to pay for the air that I use to breathe for free, I’d get hysterical too…

    My point, neo, is that we’re not on Mars, nor on the ISS nor on some place where air is scarce and has to be paid for. And the same is true for digital files: scarcity is just imaginary and artificial in this domain. You can’t legislate against simple economics and hope this would have any effect whatsoever.

  • Spaniard

    Perhaps Connarty should be the one in prison:

    On 19 May 2009, the Daily Telegraph revealed that Connarty was the fifth highest claiming MP in the UK, having claimed £156,207 in allowances between 2007 and 2008, excluding travel costs. [1] His reply was to claim that the information upon which the revelations were based was stolen property. Mr. Connarty purchased all the items listed below using public funds. The principles governing allowances as contained within the Green Book stated that they were there, “to ensure that members are reimbursed for costs properly incurred in the performance of their duties.”

    1. Sony T20 camera: £249.89 03/05/07 2. Luxury Briefcase: £ 99.00 (Marks & Spencer) 3. Wheeled Overnight £214 (Marks & Spencer) 4. PC Projector £799.99 5. Sony NP-FH50 £59.99 6. PlasmaTV & Stand £1398(30/04/07) 7. FM Electrical Headphones £69.00 8. BOSE headphones & BOSE docking station £403.40p 9. Bed & Bedding £1114.75 (05/01/07) 10.Bed & Bedding £1124 (31/03/07)

    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Connarty)

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  • John

    The Third reading is just starting by the way:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/default.stm

  • Anonymous

    @37 wow.. please do some reasearch before making uninformed posts..

    the media companies are owned by some bad people who have been slowly corrupting the world of their monetary resources.. in such a way that the majority of the wealth is in alot less hands.

    they have NO trouble what so ever in obtaining money.. they just hit the big-boiz up!

    Knowledge is POWER!

  • Alex

    Wow, that sucks big time

  • John

    Ek, i take that back – the third reading just finished. Dammit -_-;

  • Gavin

    To be honest I don’t really care, as it’s easy to by pass, just like they have done in France.

    The think is the music/media comapnys are lining the pockets of companys that supply services that can be used for piracy, such as VPN’s, cuberlockers, and newsgroups.

    The trouble is they will struggle to close these company’s down as they also have legitimate uses.

  • Anonymous

    Grrr, vpn ordered, cheers voldy. Still saddens me despite it being very easy to get around.

  • dg100

    Neostyles, @51:

    Hi, I’m someone who works for a living creating copyrighted works. I won’t give too much away for obvious reasons, but I have a vested financial interest in seeing a system that supports and promotes digital distribution of copyrighted works and ensures fair rewards for content creators. I disagree with the Digital Economy Bill for a number of reasons, as do around half of the creative workers I know. I’d like to tell you about some of the issues I find objectionable and ask you some questions, if I may.

    Issue (1): Corruption. I have no particular political agenda to push, no special loyalty to any political party or interest. I nonetheless object to what is, and is seen to be, a for-sale sign in front of the legal rights of every British citizen. It is painfully obvious that Mandelson and his friends have been bribed heavily with either promises of executive-directorships or cold, hard cash to force this bill into law. Even if I agreed with every provision in the bill, I still don’t want to see these little shits profit from selling off our democracy.

    Question (1): Why should we support a law that has so very clearly been bought and paid for – and largely by foreign interests at that?

    Issue (2): Accuracy. Lots of people in favour of the bill choose to overlook the fact that an IP address on it’s own isn’t a reliable guide to who’s done what. As a tech-savvy person, I know there are simply too many ways to get round it and too many online accidents that can damage the security of a person’s set-up.

    Question (2): The creative rights industry is very fond of using the shoplifting analogy. In the same vein, if I break into your house and slap your wife, is it okay for the court to jail you for domestic assault because you forgot to double-lock the front door?

    Issue (3): I think that – in practise – the DEB is going to be a blackmailer’s charter. It has no provision whatsoever for preventing abuse by rights-holders. Once an IP address has been acquired (regardless of it’s accuracy), there is nothing to stop a rights-holder from issuing the same kind of threats sent out by the likes of Davenport-Lyons.

    Question (3): Given that the obligation of a commercial business is to minimise expenditure and maximise income, given also that monetising copyright-infringement is much, much cheaper than selling a CD, earns much, much more money and requires absolutely no payout to creators, what’s to stop record companies from simply using the first half of the law to acquire IPs and ignoring the rest of it in favour of invoicing? Is there any incentive whatsoever for them to actually do anything at all to lower the levels of piracy? (I’m aware that’s technically two questions, BTW)

    Issue (5): Some of the legal actions will be for things made a great many years ago. The rights lobby is pushing for copyright to be extended even further.

    Question (5): Why is it okay for a company to sue someone for something that made a healthy profit half a century before the alleged infringer was even born? In the case of the BBC, the product will have been made with public money. Don’t you see anything wrong with this? Why do you think this is irrelevant?

    Issue (6): I believe in paying my way, I believe that those who work hard to create something should be fairly rewarded, so the vast majority of copyrighted works I possess were obtained entirely within the law. I want to get a whole bunch of things legally and online (and without installing anything programmed by Apple – their badly-behaved software wreaks havoc with my OS). Most companies don’t, however, provide anything obscure or older than a decade or two, because they just aren’t profitable enough. Some are held exclusively by companies that won’t allow distribution outside their countries.

    Question (6): How can I get these things legally if rights-owners don’t provide them, or only provide through Apple? You say that there are lots of legal alternatives to piracy, so where are they?

    Those are the most prominent issues to my mind, I hope you (or someone else if Neostyles isn’t available) can take the time to answer them.

    Many thanks.

  • Armanian

    What a rather shame, i’ve just signed up for the Electoral vote and i was going to vote Conservative, however i’ve just found out that they’ve voted for it in the “wash-up”. So now i WONT be voting this year.

  • fedup

    Oy! You, Neostyles, #51. You need to take your MAFIAA peddling crap elsewhere. You seem to know as much about pirates as the MP’s know about technology. First off, there are far more than 400 million of us. Secondly, while you may know what a few of us are about you are clueless about the rest. I for one have a house full of purchased games and movies and my latest rip is of a game I own. After the securerom totally fuxed two of my dvd players (yep, not repairable) I decided to get a copy without the secure crap on it. Oh and since they owe me for two cd/dvd players, I helped myself to the latest addon content as well.
    And, btw if you think all this paid for, rushed through legislation isn’t about controlling the masses to benefit the cartels then, you’er not as bright as the minimal I.Q. you seem to have.

  • Gargamel

    Sounds like the U.K Is fuked.

    Not good.

  • Anonymous

    To all the people saying: “Who cares? VPN, here I come!”

    During Fascism lese majesty was a serious crime, still there were plenty of jokes about the duce around, but most of the times the law wasn’t applied.
    The point that should make you cringe is that sometimes the law WAS applied.

    By turning each citizen into a criminal, the government is free to do as it please.
    We’re at the mercy of white collar criminals like ACS:Law no longer guarded by safety locks we put in place through blood.

  • neostyles

    Oy! You, Neostyles, #51. You need to take your MAFIAA peddling crap elsewhere.

    Typical pirate logic. Right, because anyone who isn’t selfish and believes in paying for things and supporting that which they enjoy works for the “MAFIAA.” When people pirate they do it because they believe in it, but when people pay for things, they can’t be doing it because they also believe in it? Uhm..

  • neostyles

    @61

    Question (6): How can I get these things legally if rights-owners don’t provide them, or only provide through Apple? You say that there are lots of legal alternatives to piracy, so where are they?

    There are so many great ways (I use itunes a lot for movies and tv shows)
    -XBOX Live
    -Netflix
    -Zune Video
    -PlayStation Store
    -Zune Video
    -http://themovie-downloading.com
    -Hulu
    -Epix
    -http://www.jaman.com/

    Rights owners are being very generous. They are giving customers all the options they will ever need for legal downloads.

    Question (5): Why is it okay for a company to sue someone for something that made a healthy profit half a century before the alleged infringer was even born? In the case of the BBC, the product will have been made with public money. Don’t you see anything wrong with this? Why do you think this is irrelevant?</blockquote?
    Because most of the debate over law reforms centers around contemporary infringement. Torrent sites do not become popular from offering half a century old movies. They draw millions of people for offering the latest and greatest for free. These are the films that get pirated in the millions.

    Question (1): Why should we support a law that has so very clearly been bought and paid for – and largely by foreign interests at that?

    Funding is always seen as a sign of corruption but in this case, I think it is safe to assume that they have a vested interest in protecting their intellectual property and would be more than happy to support any law that would be pursuant to this. Piracy is not obstructed by geographical borders. Thanks to the nature of the internet, American companies have been watching their copyrights being stolen for the last century in England. Anyone can download an illegitimate copy of anything, regardless of what country the rights holder resides in. This is why copyright must be enforced with an international view.

    ssue (2): Accuracy. Lots of people in favour of the bill choose to overlook the fact that an IP address on it’s own isn’t a reliable guide to who’s done what. As a tech-savvy person, I know there are simply too many ways to get round it and too many online accidents that can damage the security of a person’s set-up.

    ISPs probabaly have logs of every site a person visits and this will be more than enough to prove infringement. Besides, once the sources of piracy are shut down by swift and decisive legal action, people wont have to worry about whether the law is concerned with them or not. I doubt they will tackle piracy by suing thousands of individual people. Much easier to stop it at the source.

    Issue (3): I think that – in practise – the DEB is going to be a blackmailer’s charter. It has no provision whatsoever for preventing abuse by rights-holders. Once an IP address has been acquired (regardless of it’s accuracy), there is nothing to stop a rights-holder from issuing the same kind of threats sent out by the likes of Davenport-Lyons.

    People have become far too skeptical of rights holders. They aren’t evil people with diabolical plans. They are simply trying to earn a living off their work.

    People have condemned them for trying to do exactly that (really, is there anyone who wouldn’t want to be paid for their work) by calling them the “MAFIAA” supposedly because they don’t like the the consequences of their actions.

    Question (2): The creative rights industry is very fond of using the shoplifting analogy. In the same vein, if I break into your house and slap your wife, is it okay for the court to jail you for domestic assault because you forgot to double-lock the front door?

    People have long maintinned the falsehood that just because it is possible to steal from the creative rights industry or convient to do so, this makes it ok. Everyone is entitled protection of their rights. This isn’t the wild west, where one’s own actions take precedence above the law. It is just like the take down policy’s of many torrent sites which basically say “We will let happily let people pirate your work until you perform a tedious, cumbersome take down request.” They should have never added those torrents in the first place (it is common knowledge that all creative works are copyrighted) and the creative industry shouldn’t have to ask people to stop enabling others to defraud them. They are entitled to that right under the law.

  • anon

    lets compare the music industry to taxi drivers, you pay them, they take you to your destination. You learn the route to use so you decided to travel by walking this time.. IS THIS ILLEGAL? why should i pay the taxi driver if im walking to the same place? THEY OWN THE PLACE? NO? well its the same with music films or games, i pay once and never again so all you anti piracy critics can go fuck yourselves, FURTHERMORE, if the taxi decided to drive me to BIRMINGHAM and i said.. to LONDON, then why should i pay the overpriced FAIR, IF firstly, thats not where i wanted to go, secondly the fair should be scrapped since you taken me to the wrong location, same with filesharing, i download something, find out that it is shockingly *CRAP* soo WHY the HELL should i pay for it???? If people dont pay for your content.. (1) then it is probably crap, if people download it for free then at least someone likes it, but not enough to pay for it(unless the downloads serve as a trial – in which case it is the same as n.1 since its crap – people delete it about 30 seconds after they finished downloading – which happend to me a few times, OMG awesome screenshots of the game, lets check it out, WHAT? WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? turn based strategy? DELETED …… Now enlighten me.. why should i have paid for that game? i downloaded it (wasted my time), i installed it(created useless registry rubbish to slow down my computer), deleted it (before i even got on the game). AND lastly (3) if no one pays, or downloads your content.. then it is clearly shockingly S**T

  • Jack Roberts

    law is perverted.

  • Anonymous

    This just sort of made it even more clear that none of them have a fucking clue what they’re on about. The comment about China taking 100MB was so retarded it’s simply hilarious.

    Our country is so screwed with such dinosaurs in charge of it.

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  • James

    404 – Democracy Not Found

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  • Trelew

    @64 DG100

    Well said, good question and things to think about.

    @NeoStyles and et al

    They call you MAFFIAA because you are nothing but a corporate stooge paid to spread the their propaganda. You ignore the fact how corporate interest have:

    - corrupted governments to pass corporate friendly laws
    - corrupt the courts so that they can have “show” trials
    - have gagged new media, replacing journalistic integrity with corporate propaganda and Pablum-For-Brain entertainment “news”

    The sad thing, Neo-Style, is that your bosses are probably going to win. Not because they are right and just, but because they have corrupted everything to their advantage.

  • Zerp

    Write to your representative and demand that they now must censor and block google since its possible for criminals to use this webbsite for illegal activities.

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  • Cody

    There’s a reason why they did this now you knwo.

    they need money for the elections

  • housy

    Jeremy hunt could well be my best friends dad lol. He first taught me how to use bit torrent software when I was 12. And I know he is closely involved in the liberal democrats in Surrey.

  • lgr1991

    Anyone else feel enranged at getting called a theif by people like Michael Connarty, who claimed nearly 200k in MPs expenses?

    DEB – a slap in the face for democracy and free speech

  • anon

    @ neostyles
    yea, and yet your fair music industry condems people for humming tunes, or whistling as – It breaches the copyright agreement, cuz im publicly performing? or playing the music in an unauthorised medium? – AIR?

    fair my ass – or – my ass is fair?

  • Old Codger

    @70 Apr 08, 2010 at 09:07 by neostyles

    There are so many great ways (I use itunes a lot for movies and TV shows)

    -XBOX Live
    -Netflix
    -Zune Video
    -PlayStation Store
    -Zune Video
    -http://themovie-downloading.com
    -Hulu
    -Epix
    -http://www.jaman.com/

    and most are US specific so where can a UK user use this service.

    It’s the same all over again we are Americans we don’t care about anyone else (Unless we want to use their soldiers as canon fodder)

  • root@amsix

    yet another huge waste of *our* time and money, induced by uninformed retarded idiots that think they can change the internets. Somebody in that ‘government’ room should simply yell out: GROW A CLUE!

    Simply pathetic.

  • Alex

    How come my mother works 7 days a week 10 hours a day for 14000 a year. And some idiot with no education yearns millions and millions a year? i call for communism, democracy has faileD )

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