Pirates Jump on District 9 Torrents
Written by Ernesto on September 06, 2009With over a million downloads in less than 24 hours, Peter Jackson’s Sci-Fi thriller District 9 is well on its way to becoming the most pirated movie of 2009. The huge download spike is caused by a DVD quality version of the movie that leaked onto various BitTorrent sites yesterday.
In the present day and age, no blockbuster movie can escape the fate of being pirated. However, the popularity of the various rips and titles can differ drastically, and a recent leak of a high quality version of Sci-Fi thriller District 9 might become a record breaker.
Two weeks ago a Telesync version of District 9 already found its way onto the Internet, but the rate at which the freshly released R5 release is being downloaded easily beats all other titles released in 2009 to date.
At the time of writing the movie has been downloaded over a million times on BitTorrent alone, less than 24 hours after it first surfaced. There are a few dozen torrents out there already, and the most popular one has over 50,000 people downloading the movie simultaneously.
At the US box office District 9 has grossed a mediocre $100 million since its official release three weeks ago, which puts it in the 20th spot of all movies released this year. In comparison, the latest Transformers movie grossed a similar amount in its opening weekend. Whether the pirated versions of District 9 will slow down the sales of theater tickets remains to be seen.
In the comment section of the torrents some people say they’re not going to download the movie before they’ve seen it on the big screen, while others who’ve already seen it in theater justify the download because they can’t wait for the DVD to come out. We’re pretty sure though that the execs at the movie studio won’t be as excited about the movie’s online availability as some of the downloaders are.
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214 Responses
awesome
The trailer looked good i’ll give it a hump add a +1 to that milion. :D
Maybe its worth seeing it on the big screen.
its def worth seeing in theaters. I went with the girlfriend and she liked it better than I did! Its worth checking out …
XDDD Bueno yo pienso verla primero en el cine, y luego la bajo. Aunque la demora de su estreno por aca me tienta a ya bajarla.
Funny, an hour or so ago a friend of mine told me he was downloading it and I told him to toss me the torrent. I have another friend who started an unofficial discussion forum on the movie a few weeks ago, he then sold it at the launch for $40 or so.
Can’t wait for the download to finish now, i’m excited to see it and if it’s good I may take my girl to see in in theaters tomorrow (Labor Day in the states).
That’s cool. I’m right on it :P
That is exactly what you get for clinging to an outdated business modell.
If they had offered the WORLDWIDE audience a legal way to get the movie on its theatric release date via the internet …
Well, water under the bridge.
Another missed opportunity from the low tech crowd.
Haha..district 9 FTW!
#8, please don’t spew that B.S.
If they released it on the internet it would have been pirated even faster. They’re not the ‘lowtech crowd’. While it’s true the business model needs to adjust, they don’t.
Releasing it on the interwebz would A: speed up the piracy and B: deter people from going to theatres.
it might be worth mentioning that district 9 is not in theaters in many countries yet. Not being able to see it other than illegally surely does not help… Same for stupid dubbed versions that will eventualyl arrive in theaters…
“District 9 has grossed a mediocre $100 million”
And then they will say they are “suffering damages”. In my opinion, 100 million dollars is enough for any movie that is not Titanic.
Gonna take a miss and see it in on the big screen, looks worth it.
It looks OK. I’ll probably download and watch it to see if it’s worth buying the DVD on release.
The article compares Transformers’ revenue to District 9’s. Lets do that properly:
From Wikipedia:
Transformers: RotF’s budget – $200m
Its gross revenue – $828m
Transformers’ budget:revenue ratio – 1:4.14
District 9’s budget – $30m
Its gross revenue – $110m
District 9’s budget:revenue ratio – 1:3.67
Given that District 9 has only been out in the UK for 2 days, and hasn’t even been released in Germany (which has had to wait for almost a month longer than Australia, which would somewhat account for the massive BT activity on it), its budget:revenue ratio will only go up.
Chill out, Movie execs :P
it’s not worth 100 million of my $.so i will download it for free. ^_^
I can take it anytime in great quality but i think this movie sucks, dont understand why so many people download it, maybe its the lack of good movies release and they gotta watch something …i dont want to see it FREE so paying to see it is out of question
Movie cost: 30 Million $.
Made a hundred million so far in the US. Will make some more in other counttries, plus DVD/BlueRay sales.
Damn pirates. Damn ´em to hell.
;)
“Mediocre $100 million”?! The movie only cost $30 million to make! It’s one of the biggest smash hits of the year, return-wise, for Sony!
I was sad when I looked at the local cinema’s movie list and D9 wasn’t listed.
I’ve heard so many good things about District 9, so I want to watch it right now! But it’s not coming out in my country (Mexico) until October!!! My only choice is to pirate it.
Here’s the lesson, movie distributors: make it available legally, and people won’t pirate it.
Omg, only 70 million in profit. Its because of you all that they wont be able to afford a gold-plated rolls royce every month! Don’t you people have a soul, it doesnt matter if we’re in a recession and most of us aren’t even working; the ones who are deserve to take your money and spend it on million-dollar toilets!
delicious movie
I’ll be downloading it when I finish my current downloads. It has an admirable 8.6/10 score in imdb.
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get yo phreak on!
It’s available at h33t.com, but I’m not posting the link in hopes that this post won’t be deleted.
sugoi monogatari aniki
If they are gonna release it so far apart, they deserve to lose the money. Who is going to wait an extra month when they can watch a good copy online.
Definitely worth waiting going to see in the cinema.
I just managed to not download it before I went to see it and I’m glad I restrained myself!
D9 is a really good movie, motion-captioning and well done. May I ask for a sequel?
I saw this movie at the theatres and was very dissapointed, I wil be downoading a different film as a refund for the shoddy jigsaw puzzle of plagurism the film tended to be. Although anyone else think the manager from Flight of the conchoards would have made this movie immense!
For those that work for MPAA or another cocksucking organisation i will say this: I downloaded this movie after being furious at it being released 1month before the UK in the US. There is no reason for this and it is a fucking disgrace. Thats right, you lost 3 ticket sales ( maybe more as me and my friends like to see good movies twice) all because you made the UK wait AGIAN. i downloaded this on r5 a while back and loved every minute of it. An excellent movie that i did not pay a penny to see all because you failed to implement a worldwide release!…in closing…fuck you!
There’s nothing “mediocre” about $100 million when the damn thing only cost $30 million to make.
Wikus Van De Merwe was so hot. I would totally slobber all over his cock and sit on it.
I saw it twice in theaters and so I alone paid $20.00 for two tickets and another $10.00 for popcorn (tickets in my area are expensive).
I think that earns me the right to download and watch it till the DVD release…
another fail for the books TF, this movie actually hit the scene friday night, not saturday like you said
>27
That was funny the first time I saw you do that, but it doesn’t really make sense here. In fact, I posit that you’re not even the original, you’re just some copycat. I hope you’re having fun at least.
No wonder it’s pirated so much: over one month between US release and European? That’s just silly. It’s not the 90s anymore.
The entire industry is plain silly; they show films in the US, and if they profit, they show it in Europe. If not, it’s straight to DVD and two-three months waiting for us eurofags..
First film in about 10 years I am glad to have seen on the big screen
Shall grab a copy I think.
I wasn’t going to watch it at all, but seeing this type of response, I think I’ll cave an watch the damned thing in theaters.
Haven’t seen anything worth stealing in a while movie-wise. I hope it’s worth paying to see.
idiots. the r5 leaked on the 4th… not the 5th.
shoddy, shoddy movie. waste of money
It’s a great film and I will be purchasing the blu-ray.
and to just think, if they embraced bit torrent, they could distribute the films to all cinemas around the world at the same time, for very little outlay on there part.
At the time of writing the movie has been downloaded over a million times on BitTorrent alone, less than 24 hours after it first surfaced.
O rly? Please prove that with some good completion stats.
a “mediocre” 100 Million dollars?
The film only cost 30 million. If you include the 20-30 million spent on Publicity & Advertisement, the film is making a killing at the domestic box office alone. It is true that piracy can drastically affect profits, but rest assured that this movie in particular is already profitable.
@41
These nubs probably had to wait a day till it was released on their junky public sites.
Private torrent sites had it days ago.
Haven’t dl it yet… will wait to see if it comes in my country as well… if not, by the time I realized that, I will probably find a 720p release available for download… >:(
@47
you’re a member of a private torrent site? WOW! You must get loads of pussy.
Loser
Probably the worst, dull movie I’ve seen since the “Amityville-Borror”. I fell asleep watching this. Yawn!
Peter Jackson cannot do a proper sci-fi movie.
The fact that it has only grossed a small amount will indeed have the studios bitching. Too bad.
That will teach them to make better movies. When it is a bad movie like this, it really is a let down to those that anticipate. Except for “pre pubenescent kids who play with transformer toys” Save your bandwidth and grab something better.
Saw it in the theater and thought it was awesome. Its still too fresh on my mind so I’m just going to wait for a 720p release. In a couple months it will feel fresh again.
@49
At least I don’t have to deal with the assrape you public torrents people get after you’re caught and sent to trial (and lose)
I went to see Harry Potter (HBP) recently. I didn’t want to, but my SO “wanted the theater experience”. $16 for two tickets, $10.50 for small popcorn and small drink. Some experience. C’mon. Don’t you think that high $$ has SOMETHING to do with the reason why people rather download instead? Remember a million downloads does not equal a million lost sales. If it weren’t for Neflix, I wouldn’t be seeing D9 until it gets to satellite.
GO to http://www.aXXoMovies.org to download high quality DISTRICT 9 movie for free
@52 If you think your much safer on a private tracker than a public one your retarded. I only use privates because they tend to be faster and better seeded, if that was reverse I would be all over pubs.
This is a very good movie. No silly hollowwood movie stars, no bling, just a great story and interesting take on “aliens”. Send a message with your wallets, buy the DVD maybe even see it on the big screen. (or just pirate the sh** out of it for the numbers:)
Why are so many of you stupid? Seriously, so stupid. Paying money for a movie and buying popcorn doesn’t entitle you to steal a movie. Releasing it later doesn’t entitle you to steal it. Having to wait doesn’t mean your only choice is to steal it. I’m not going to say you shouldn’t steal it, you idiots will do that anyway. But what really makes me laugh is how stupid so many of you are. And more so, how stupid your middle school logic is that you’re somehow entitled or allowed to steal. You children are so stupid.
#54…. you are a lamer/fake and you
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Saw it on the premiere here (Denmark) and it’s a nice enough movie! Haven’t got the torrent, and won’t really bother, see this one in the theatres…
#57
Actually, stupid means “Slow to learn or understand,”
I think that sounds a lot more like you than any of us.
(In future, please don’t comment)
when will be on cinema here I will pay my part even if I already see the movie pirated
good movie deserve money not like transformer crap and gi joe
Asinine is a fun word too Fuzzball. And please, define how I’m the stupid one? Are you somehow implying that because I’m not stealing movies or on the pirating bandwagon I’m slow to learn or understand? The flaw in your logic is that you are attempting to justify illegal behavior because you don’t agree with how an industry works. Because you wanna play dictionary, that is arguably more ’stupid’ than what you accuse me of. I’d argue that continuing illegal activity to fight a cause is stupid, as it doesn’t have a long history of working. Stealing more won’t make stealing legal or cause people to give things away for free, it’ll make things more expensive.
I´m glad I took a look at the torrent.
The story seems decent, but I didn’t like the camerawork on the movie at all.
Oh boo hoo. Only a hundred million!
Man this film is so good, can not afford cine prices here in the UK so thought i wait till dvd quality appears online. And two days ago i got to see the R5 online… such a good film worth buying the DVD at a later date IMO… good watch for those with big TVs/Monitors… Thanks to who ever uploaded this :)
The movie cost 30 million to make and grossed 100 million so far…..that’s more than tripled. I think they did fine. And more people will keep seeing it, I saw it twice. I haven’t downloaded it, I don’t really download movies, because for the most part I hate movies, but it was a damn good movie. Totally worth seeing in theatres.
$30 million was just the production budget. That doesn’t account for distribution, marketing or other fees. It has most certainly turned a profit, but lets not pretend it only cost $30 mil to make and market. They haven’t made $70 mil of this movie, or ‘triple’ as some are saying.
How can you moralize about profits that go to corporate ‘entities’ it’s not like they’re people. And yet they have more power than us. Whatever we take is a drop in the bucket compared to what has been taken from us.
I’m downloading the R5, but I’m still going to see it in theatres. No torrent can match the quality of seeing a film in theatres (not the mention the resolution), and it’s about time film companies realized that; people don’t suddenly stop paying for films just because a (inferior) copy is available for free.
shit movie anyway.. doesn’t make sense whatsoever! well it does, but its a shit movie!
DEViSE!!!
Thanks for reminding me… *starts download*
#70, Yea, I know “no download can match the quality of seeing a film in theatres”. But there are a shitload of other movies too, and due to the high prices, I’d rather go to another movie that’s not available in digital quality yet
@Ernesto
i hope you follow this up in a month with an analysis of the total gross revenue
it will be very very interesting to see a table that directly compares gross revenue to download completes for all films. you have the data, please do it
if you dont you will never hear the last of it especially after this comment “We’re pretty sure though that the execs at the movie studio won’t be as excited about the movie’s online availability as some of the downloaders are” because my analysis says the movie execs are jumping cartwheels of joy at the movie’s emerging cult popularity :-D
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Oh poor guys, only 100 million? I already have the TS so I’m gonna wait until the R5 gets on VerTor to download it, I hate fakes.
I’ve decided that I’m not going to pirate this one. A movie this good, made by a no-name in Hollywood deserves real sales. I know for sure that I’m buying the DVD as soon as it comes out.
Just an idea, and i know it wouldn’t happen, but why not release a purchasable download in response to this availability?
I know it’s not the best solution, but if people are so desperate for it, get it out there and make some money off it.
If they refuse to do a simultaneous world wide release, they this movie deserves to get pirated to hell.
The film is set in South Africa and is directed by a South African, yet it gets released in New Zealand, Australia, USA and Canada first…
Watched a download and now I’m off to see it on the big screen – definitely one that deserves it :)
This was the first movie that I actually felt guilty for downloading… its so fucking good!
The guys who helped make this film happen deserve big profits… it will encourage more great films!
I wouldnt have downloaded it had a R5 copy not been available!… they need to up there security or not produce R5’s untill the film has at least hit the big screen in countries such as the UK.
I went to see the movie with a friend, after them movie was over we got some food and went back to the movie theater again
i watched it TWICE =]
and downloaded it. come on, the DVD is gonna be cheaper then seeing the movie twice haha
@21
+1
shitty movie. its like a documentary.
i download the shit out of every new film, if i can get something for nothing i will – i will steal your granny if you don`t nail her down Ferd Burfel, so what you got to say about that!
Oh man this movie was awesome. Saw it in the theater when it came out. I’ll download this and wait for the Blu-Ray version (I hope it comes out on BR!)
I decided to download it as i couldn’t wait until the Icelandic release…
best sci fi movie i have seen recently, its amazing
9 Sep 06, 2009 at 23:34 by rierro
#8, please don’t spew that B.S.
If they released it on the internet it would have been pirated even faster. They’re not the ‘lowtech crowd’. While it’s true the business model needs to adjust, they don’t.
Releasing it on the interwebz would A: speed up the piracy and B: deter people from going to theatres.
Rierro, I worked in the movie industry for years and in the 80’s it was how can we change peoplese behaviour to cometo the theatres…if you actually look at who goes to the theatres, it is the couples that rent movies all the time but for “good movies” they spend the 50+ dollars for tickets to got to the theatres to see the movie as a date night…even marriend couples like myselft…I don’t download movies but I was around when the whole VHS recording was going to kill the movie industry…and guess what…why rebranded themselves and now the movie theatres are a night out…you can rent the B movies (ones you won’t pay 15$ a person) to watch and the really good ones you will go see with your spouse.
FUD and doom and gloom has come about too many times.
Waiting for it to be available on RapidShare.
My local cinema isn’t even screening it.
I’m not gonna dl this one. Even though its my favorite movie of 2009 so far, I would rather see it succeed monetarily then take away from potential sales revenue for this great film.
Great movie. Worth pirating and even actually worth PAYING for when it officially comes out.
I’m pirating it, and then buying it when it comes out.
Quality entertainment is worth paying for. This is one of them.
ill definitely be buying the dvd of this
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Just for the record, half of that 100 mil goes to the exhibitors – the theaters themselves. So we’re talkin 50 gross on 30 production + probably 15-20 p&a.
The movie will do fine in the end, yes. But that doesn’t justify you not shelling out for the 2-3 good movies that come out the entire year and then complaining that nothing good gets made.
This was the first film in 3 years to get me back into a theatre and it was absolutely brilliant, yet I still left feeling like I had been totally ripped off.
-$12 to watch the film!
-$7 for about a dime’s worth of popcorn!!
-and $5 for 1 goddamned bottle of water!?
I won’t be going back to a movie theatre and I don’t feel one iota of guilt for downloading the dvd rip and watching the movie again. Thank you Blomkamp for an awesome film, but if you’re feeling gypped, join the club and take it up with the industry.
I’ll be picking the blu-ray anyway.
How about this: In that picture, change the word “humans” to “pirates” and you’ll have the exact same situation that the MPAA has set up.
Well, this kind of sucks for me … I guess I’ll be cutting a much smaller cut when I troll you people from now on. Oh, by the way … making and sharing copies is stealing blah, blah, blah and all that good stuff.
Love,
MPAA $hill
I dont know what all the fuss is with this movie…i came by a copy last week and had a quick flick thru it, at first it looked like somebody had made call of duty set in the middle east…then when the guy took of his helmet i thought wtf! so it had a different slant on a war movie…next thing it does a wide shot from above and turns into starship troopers where scorpion type aliens are killing everything that moves…very strange movie and when i get time i might watch more…as for the mpaa types who have been trolling and commenting negative words do you remember dark knight ? it made huge amounts after being leaked to the net, do you remember the last batch of starwars movies ? gawd cinemas went into melt down after they were leaked…infact just look at wolverine a few months back!! so i’m suggesting that you trolls are talking complete and utter bollox and should really get your shit together and come up with a new business model regarding the way you release and promote movies.
Nuff said & thanx for reading.
I watched the movie in the theater, after anticipating it for several weeks, and quite frankly left somewhat disappointed. The movie was great, but there was no way it could have lived up to the hype in my mind. I may download it, may not. I wouldn’t mind seeing it again, but it wouldn’t kill me to wait for the DVD.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention…
I liked District 9 and I think the guy’s who did it made a commercial called “Tetra Vaal”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-IainlpGzg
I think I saw “Tetra Vaal” painted on the laboratory wall.
Very nice XF for $30 million and a good story(it was funny for me).
seen it in theaters already. great movie.
Their business model works fine: release movie as “pirated”, reap rewards.
The revenues are a mixture of a few randomly selected lawsuit recipients, and higher “legitimates” sales due to increased advertising.
This corruption is why a digital copyright should be changed.
I would still love to see this movie.
The alien said to Wikus van de Merwe. I’ll come back in 3 years i promise.
Please let there be a sequel.
I cant wait for the sequel to this movie… it was fantastic.
seriously one of the best movie iv seen lately, its worth the few bucks to see the way the story unfolds its revolutionary
My tip, watch this movie in the theatres, it’s like a tripple orgasm to watch it!!! It totally kicks ass :D
Yeah I only seen the first 30 mins of it and it was awesome very nice movie to watch. I do like the dvd’s in stuff ,i can’t afford these new blue ray players and shit though!!! and thats what most of the videos are going on. Thats why i download the shit.I know there still make dvd’s but its become outdated quic.
Also @5 tell your friend not to be selling that shit thats true piracy! that is what makes all us downloaders who just want a few movies to watch get labled piraters!
Definition of Piracy:(Our Definition) The copying of copyrighted content then selling the copyrighted content on the streets or in a store.
Definition of Piracy 2:(Their Definition)The right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works.
yet we just make copies of the movie and share them online with other ppl to see yet we get labled pirates. What ever happened to the right of Freedom Of Information???
From someone that worked on the film all I can say is please support this film by seeing it in the theatre or by buying the dvd. By doing so more films like this will be made in the future. I understand the temptation is too great for some to just click and have it in a short period of time, but do me a favor, don’t try and justify it. It’s a joke and you should know it.
I’m an English speaker living in Germany. Checked the cinema listing first…. no English version coming to me *at all*.
So no other way for me to watch this than to download it…..
The sad part is i *want* to see this on the big screen and give PJ my cash…. silly movie studios…. anyone know PJ’s address so i can send him €10? :)
Sure give me $400 dollars that i dont have thanks to being jobless and have to live in my parents house so i can go buy a blue ray player and the dvd when i comes out ok?
Sound like a deal to me
The reason for this is probably because the movie is not available to be seen in the movies around the world yet.
I’m from Europe and i have to fight to urge to download it because i want to see it on the big screen.
This is the producer’s own doing.
First they hype the shit out of it and then they don’t release it globally at the same time ..
Unlike #89, I am currently working in the film industry, and I feel the effects of people stealing. Take a look at the end credits of this film and any film and see how many people work on it. It’s a lot of long hours and hard WORK! And every one of you who has downloaded/stolen this film is stealing from each and every crew member. Films cost money, not just because of the “execs” but because I, along with 300 others on any one film project, actually have to get paid. If movies continue to make less money, it means lower budget films, lower wages for everyone or smaller crews, so people lose jobs, and moreover, the quality of work will go down because we will lose up and coming artists like Blomkamp who would have to look at doing a different line of work. I would love to know what everyone does for a living who thinks they deserve to watch films for free.
” a mediocre 100 million compared to transformers gross ”
TF – Are u guys out of ur mind or what ? District9 has been universally acknowledged as the most innovative ‘ low budget ‘ flick to have crossed the 100 million USD mark and has been biggest surprise of 2009 in terms of its income.
The TS version has been out from almost the same week it was released but nothing stopped that from making this film one of the highest grossing film of 2009 which was beyond the wildest expectations of any studio execs.
TF – don’t just look at the total gross …see the profitability of the movie compared to its distribution and publicity cost..District 9 has been phenomenally successful in those regards !
Once again big studios can suck up this data…d/loading does not affect revenue if the movie is good.
#113
Why don’t you see if your parents use the same logic as their offspring. If they do I’m sure they’ll go steal a blue ray player and dvd of it for you when it comes out. problem solved.
#115…it does affect the revenue of a film and it affects the crew who WORKS on those films. I’m in the costume department and I have not seen my wage go up in 10 years. Thank you for that!
Do you think other countries hate us because of spoiled brat millionaires sitting around in hoolywood crying because 100 million dollars isn’t enough money for them? Honestly why should anybody have that much money? You don’t that much to live and there are people all over the world who are starving and without homes…oh wait no, clearly the crime here is pirating movies from poor, niave Hollywood mogols. Isn’t it great to live in Rome…er..America, I meant America. And we’re not so decadent that we’re heading for a fall or anything. Nope. No reason to pay attention to any chirping canaries here…Thanks for your time.
i wonder how big the share/number in downloads from once-click-hosters is…
and i indeed know a lot of people (even highly educated) working for extremely little money – which means that you will not see many movies in cinema or very few – which means : click…
#118
Roman, I don’t live in America, I’m not a spoiled brat millionaire, I drive a 12 year old car and rent a house. I get a royalty from ticket sales if you go see it in the theatre. Please keep in mind that you clearly have no understanding of how the business side actually works for people involved in making films that aren’t producers.
And to #116 and #117 repectively:
#116: No one is stealing a copy of the movie. People are MAKING copies from the movie. Specifically, people are copying a file that someone has that they put up on the internet. If they stole that file from someone then that’s wrong but as far as the people downloading it go, they had nothing to do with that. Those adds never made any since to me about pirated movies where they would say, “You wouldn’t steal a car would you?” and the answer is no, but if I could make a copy of my car and give it to a friend then I would and I wouldn’t feel bad about it at all. What I do with my personal property is my business.
#117:
I’m really sorry about the mistreatment you and a lot of other workers in Hollywood and the rest of the art scene get but do you really think it’s because of torrents that you’re not getting a pay raise? My guise is it’s becaues of greedy fatcats that refuse to treat people equally. Some actors get paid twenty million dollars a movie that they couldn’t possibly make without people like you and you never see any of that money do you? Do you think they deserve that much money for their acting? I know a lot of awesome actors and movie makers who work independently for nothing and do it simply out of the joy of the art form. And a lot of their acting is better than what I see from Hollywood. You should be thanking the pirates out there becaue it’s those guys who are going to finally level this playing field and give you the leverage you need to get the payment and attention you deserve. Think about it, if things continue this way, then the selfish, stupid fatcats who only make movies for money will go out of business and you’ll be able to work with humans instead of faceless corporations and you might be able to negotiate your price rather than take what the system will give you. I hope that happens becaues you’re better than that and you deserve more! Cheers!
Wow, it’s really sad to see the ignorance here! Obviously, I’m responding to a very young generation of people who have no clue what it’s like in the real world of employment. Just like every company in any industry, there are execs and there are employees who get paid by the execs. Well, keep taking the money from the execs and guess who that affects…the employees. And the fact that you think everyone in film makes millions shows your utter stupidity! If that were the case, you’d be paying at least $40 a ticket to see a film. Talk to me when you graduate from high school…
i actually doubt that lesser piracy would raise the salaries for the typical low-wage movie staff… the higher movie revenues will go to the share-holders, and eventuall in new movies, which might secure some jobs in the studios
Roman, if you decided to copy your car that you purchased of course that would be your decision. BUT if you stole that car, then gave copies of that to your friends, which is what the original poster did when they posted an unreleased DVD, would that not change how what you’re doing is viewed?
Hey 117…you an artist???? Let me guess, you do it for a hobby, right? Well, I’m trying to make a living at it and I am treated a lot better by the Corporation than any “indie” film I worked on, which “expected” me to work long hours with no reward to show for it. Working for a corporation means you have the possibility of having benefits, getting paid for your actual time you worked, organization, professionalism…Nice try, but just because I do art for a living doesn’t mean I can’t make a living at it.
#120:
I’m very sorry about your loss on this one, believe me, I am. I just think that the entire system needs an overhaul and that pirates are helping that happen. I think in the not too distant future this could have a very positive effect on people like you in the movie industry. However, I am an American and my car is only 10 years old so maybe I don’t know everyting:)
In the end, Roman, you are saying people should not have to pay for art?
@ Trying to make a living…
…cry me a river.
Disappointed:
Like I said, if someone stole the original the copy that they uploaded then that’s wrong. But how is that the fault of the downloaders? How do downloaders know if anything they download is stolen or not? Furthermore, how does something like this get leaked? If I’m so ignorant on this subject and maybe I am, someone pleae educate me on how someone gets a DVD quality copy of this thing and uploads and nothing is done is done about it. Torrents aren’t news. The Hollywood fatcats have known about them for a long time. So why not any better security on something like this. Could it be that the big caring corporations might actually like the publicity something like this offers and not really mind if the little guy doesn’t get his share of the movie? If the spoiled millinaires aren’t losing out here then they aren’t doing much to help out the one who are.
especially in the us, too few people really think about and protest against such a horrible difference in wages from the stars/ceos in comparison to the normal workes. everyone earning more than a million $ per year (lets say) is actually close to a criminal. there is no work in the world that justifies such earnings.
things need to happen that this system changes. and then, ‘piracy’ may be seen (to some extend) just as a very normal reaction…: not to accept the status quo
Already saw it in the theater and it is great!
#127:
No, not at all. In the end I’m saying torrent downloaders aren’t going to affect art. Look at Radiohead. They offered their last album online for free. Are they hurting? Far from it. They’re one of the most popular bands in the world. And speaking of music I remember when some the big music coporations went after people for downloading with Napster and they suffered for it. And it’s good that people are downloading free music. And incidently, I’m a musician and I make more money giving away music then I ever did pushing for as much money as I could squeeze people for. Trust me, I tried it both ways and not controling people works.
Well said, 130!
Roman, in this instance the downloaders know full well that this dvd is stolen as it hasn’t been released yet.
As for your conspiracy regarding the ‘fatcats’. Publicity? How is a dvd quality version of the film being on the internet going to get more people to head to the theatres and or buy the dvd?
A lot of movies are released overseas before they’re released here. Or so I’ve been told. Someone overseas could have uploaded for all we know. I’m sure not all the downloaders researched it before they started downloading. This blog is the first I’ve heard any details about it and I’m sure I’m not alone.
As for publicity buzz is buzz. The fans will support something they like as long as Hollywood doesn’t pull a Metallica. Fans will buy merchindise which has to be licensed through the company and people WILL go to theaters as some have even commented on this board who downloaded the movie. And you know people who love it will buy the special addition DVD with the little plastic alien and poster and various other nicknacks. Maybe they’re conducting an experiment at your expence. My God, I do sound crazy sometimes…
This is what happens when the studios decide to have different release dates in different parts of the world. In my case 45 days after the US release. Had they had a earlier release date on the cinemas I would have gone to the cinema instead but will now watch my freshly downloaded version tonight instead of waiting another 23 days before I can watch it in the cinema. The time for the studios to wake up and realize that they have entered a new era is long overdue.
but i still wonder: if ‘piracy’ is something like robin hood (’stealing from the rich’), where is the ‘giving to the poor’-part?
(okay, if you steal from the rich, you mots likely steal at the same time from the poor.)
that’s actually a question to all downloaders of ‘district 9′…
@134:
Who told you somebody stole it?
Maybe it was the producers who put the movie on the .torrents. Microsoft is well known for doing that for testing purposes, happened with Windows 7 and even before.
Various producers do it to gain free advertising and this is also well known. Then they cry about lost sales. Lost what? They lose nothing.
Also, if I buy a DVD, it’s MINE, and if I want to share it with a friend, I can. I can hand it to him and he can watch it on his DVD player, and it’s indeed not illegal.
Torrents are just another way to share movies. A way that the MAFIAA did not understand yet, because they are retarded. Retarded for real! They are living in the past and can’t adapt to new technologies. What’s the difference about handing a phisical DVD to a friend or putting it on the internet? I tell you, there’s NO difference.
I like to watch stuff before to buy it. It’s indeed not fair to go to a cinema and spend a crapload of money for a movie I might not like. If I download it first and I like it, I buy the DVD and watch it on the big screen. If not, there’s always the delete button and it goes to the trash, easy. No lost sales for the MAFIAA.
At least not for the good stuff. Indeed, if they make just crap, nobody goes to the cinema anyway, but at least less people will get ripped off by them by paying for something they didn’t like.
Intellectual property? Yeah, but if it’s good, we can decide to pay for it, and if it’s bad, their intellectual property goes to the garbage, and people did not spend a penny for it. Fair?
Sorry that was for @136, “disappointed”.
Reminds one of what we are doing to others..
Hopefuly there will be a sequal.. There must be a sequal!
Im kinda hoping there will not be a sequal..
But hopefuly there will be..
Because i have to see it..
Great movie, different story in a good way..
No die-hard sci-fi freak needed to enjoy it but all will be pleased..
There is alot of truth in the movie, that has already happened and that could happen..
Shows human nature in a different way..
Just download and watch it already..
actually, it does not matter if one calls it ’stealing’ or ‘taking’ or ‘copying’ – the effect is, what counts.
and the effect of ‘giving back’ counts just as much or even more. (very christian or communist, i know, but how one calls it, just as before, does not matter)
i can imagine, torrentsites could ask downloaders to paypal a few cents per download to such institutions as WWF, Greenpeace and alike. Or to a independent institution, which supports independent musicians and filmmakers…
Releasing DVDs in R5 earlier to combat piracy is simply brilliant.
I would rather watch this at the cinema, but prices are ridiculously expensive. Can’t afford it. Perhaps the movie industries should motivate more people to go to the cinema by giving away a free DVD/BR of the movie to everyone who watches said movie.
We all know how cheap DVD/BR are to produce, so why not? Oh that’s right, can’t milk the audience again once released to disc. Another reason why piracy is so rife. Why should we have to wait six months or so?
All they have to do is offer it for online purchase at good quality, fair price and DRM free and watch the money come in.
I wont waste my quota with this garbage.Hollywood needs to make something decent and lower prices then Ill play ball.
TV torrents are the best.
@140 James Holdger
Here is the problem with some of your logic:
1. First off if the producers did leak the movie on purpose then no harm. However, the chances are this is not the case here.
2. If you buy a DVD you can share it with a friend. You can take it their house and watch it or loan it to them. When they are done, they give it back to you. Torrents allow you to GIVE them a copy of the movie. You are not loaning it or sharing it, you are giving it to them. There is a big difference between you buying a DVD and loaning it out to a couple of friends and you “sharing” that DVD and allowing a few thousand people copy it. if you loan it to your friends there is still only 1 copy of it out there. If 1000 people download it there are now 1001 copies of out there, but only 1 copy was paid for. Big difference.
3. You like to watch stuff before you buy it. In general that isn’t a bad idea. The problem is, it isn’t your’s to watch. You didn’t pay for the right to watch it. That might annoy you, but it is how it works. Do you go to a bookstore and read the full book before you buy it? Do you go to the grocery story and eat the food to try it out before you buy it? Do you take a girl out on a date and have her pay for everything until the end of the date so you can see how it goes before deciding if it was worth spending your money on? Probably not. With the internet there are plenty of sources where you can watch trailers and read review/comments on a movie to make an informed decision. That still doesn’t mean you may not hate it, but it can greatly reduce the risk. Sometimes enjoying art (and movies are art) means you have to take a risk and understand that you might not like it.
4. You may watch something first and if you like it you go out and buy the DVD. Many people are not that way. A court recently ruled that about 1 out of every 10 downloads results in a lost sale. That might be accurate and it might not be, but in the end downloads do cost the producers money. On a movie like Transformers it doesn’t really matter, they will make a ton and sell a ton of DVDs no matter how many times it is downloaded. But for smaller movies it really can make or break them. Maybe someday things will change and there will be worldwide distribution of movies online the day they are released. I ask you this though: If they did that and on the day the movie was released you could choose to either go to the theatre, buy or rent it on DVD, rent it on cable pay per view or pay to watch it online at the same rate (or even a little lower) than a pay per view buy would you then pay for it? It is now available right now in any format you want to see it in. Or would you insist on getting to see it for free and only then decide if it is worth spending your money on?
saw it at the movies, then downloaded the r5
@ 146 MARK
I would love to see something like this tried. They could do an experiment. Offer the movie in the theatre and also offer in online for a small fee. But also offer it to people for free, only they would have to get it off another site and it might not be as easy to find as the pay one. I wonder how many people would really pay for it versus download it for free? I hear people say all the time that they would pay if it were available online, I wonder how many people really would pay and how many of them are just saying that as a way to justify downloading it for free.
theatres ftw.. im going to watch it :)
I would pay $5-10 for a good new movie. That’s fair as we pay 15 at the cinema and online wouldn’t need all the middle men. A sliding scale for lower quality movies would be good. A price based on viewer ratings so the rubbish gets a low price. Never happen as they are too greedy.
THis is a great movie.
As far as their assumptions go about the whole thing with it flopping at the cinema, the majority of the world is poor these days, and with the internet being as important as an electricity or gas bill, if you cant afford it, youre not going to see it. So, you download it.
5 years ago, we paid 5.50$ to go and see a movie in a cinema. Now we pay 18$. Why dont they ask themselves why the frig it flopped? They got no one else to blame but themselves.
The moral of this story? Even the poor deserve to be entertained.
I paid to see it so now im dling it to see it again
Yes the quality of this Bit torrent was amazing. The video was definitely a 9-10 and the audio was an 8-9. This movie was also very good in my opinion, i hope they bring out something like District 10
as alot of people are saying would have gone to see it if it was released here, but since they staggered the opening around the world i couldn’t be arsed waiting and downloaded it instead, my freebie their loss of ticket sales
i can`t afford to take my family to the cinema all the time so i download the movies(alot) so i would not be seeing the majority of movies if not getting for free – so how can that be taking from their massive profits
i refuse to pay cinema prices, i d/load the film – tell all my mates about the good ones and they will go watch in the cinemas, so i should be paid by them for advertising
It is beyond me how employees such as “Trying to make a living” and the Hollywood cartels emphasize how their monetary stability and occupation are held back because of downloading a movie such as this. When in truth:
Metadata sent to a DVD pressing factory in Mexico and South America because it is cheap slave labor and smaller financial overhead, soon leaks to the streets. Same situation goes for the pressing factories in Malyasia,Taiwan, etc. All the employees in these locations do as they wish and distribute it on a tremendously large scale quite often under the noses of the Mafiaa, plant supervisors, etc. When will they admit that their problems of financial grief / reduced sales / pay cuts to crews is often caused by their lack of common sense? Open up your new shiny DVD case after tearing through the ozone layer depleting shrink wrap which the Mafiaa should be sued for themselves and what does it say? Hecho in Mexico? hypocrisy runs rampant in hollywood it seems
I’d love to go see it at the cinema, unfortunately I cannot morally justify paying the MAFIAA for doing so.
This may be the movie I am going to see this year on th big screen. :D
Peter Jackson can do no wrong
Got it , great. Try stopping the world from downloading . lol
this is an exemple that you dont need milions and bilions to make a great movie.Hope that we will see District 10 soon!
it’s crap don’t bother…the CGI is terrible
fookin prawns.
I paid to see it theater. I recommend others who downloaded it support the movie anyway they can. Truly a unique movie that I want to see more of.
keep the piratebay alive so sign up at http://www.theghostbay.org/
I really wanted to see this in the cinema! But but, it’s out here in over 1 month….
Might still go see it tho, love this movie.
1M +1
Hey Industry peeps,
Cheers for the movie, I’m downloading this for Free !!
Cheers, Internet,
Cheers, Bittorrent,
lol.
BTW, only grossed $100 Mil ?
Like someone said earlier on, Cry me a river. Off to watch my FREE movie in about 30 mins. God, I love the net.
A note to those with a somewhat “creative” analogy of copying a dvd that you own for your friends. When you post it on the internet you’re not sharing it with just your friends you’re sharing it with every person on the planet with an internet connection.
Is it not the equivalent of you cloning yourself and your dvd 1.5 billion times, going to the door of every user en masse and asking if they would like to have it?
How is that the same as making a copy for your dozen friends?
You guys keep pretending that you’re ripping off some Hollywood fatcats if it helps you sleep at night.
The fact is the movie was made in south africa by a south african director/crew. Produced by a New Zealand producer (Peter Jackson & crew).
The America distributor – TriStar – is I guess the one you guys have a problem with, but you act like they’re evil for turning a profit.
It’s a little weird.
To add to Dude’s comment. The writer, cinematographer, video editor and composer are all from Vancouver.
I love all the analogies flying around here. First, a real-world scenario and then I’ll try my hand at analogy.
Real: Someone once handed me a CD with a copy of some movie about a ring and some midgets with hairy feet. I liked it so much that I took my family to see it. I even bought and read the books for the first time. Because of that shitty copy, I’ve taken different members of my family to first-viewing theatrical “dates” so that each could have the big screen experience before returning with the rest of the family for a second viewing. That’s how I taught my kids to stfu during the second screening so the noobs to the movie don’t have it spoiled. In essence, I’ve done my part to shut the freaking traps of potential guess-what-happens-nexters in the audience.
You’re welcome.
We’ve each taken one book, read it and passed it along. Then we purchased the DVD set and compared the books to the movies.
It works well for us. We’ve repeated the procedure as applicable. As the father of the family, I like being able to screen a movie before I decide if and when my hard-earned paycheck should be spent on fuel, snacks and a big-screen experience. I’ve had the misfortune to base my judgment on overly biased critical reviews and imagination of a possible book-to-screen translation only to be left with snacks that will become sewage, fuel from dinosaurs that I’ve converted into greenhouse gases and a mutually embarrassing day that has been stripped away from all involved.
Before watching the 2009 “Star Trek”, I read critical reviews. I watched a shitty copy on my dinky computer screen. It was the shitty copy that prompted me to load up my family and take them to see the IMAX version at an average price of $25 per person. I left feeling proud to have contributed to something every person in my brood wishes to continue. If I hadn’t seen that shitty copy, I would have waited for the DVD release, rented it and wished that I didn’t have such a skewed vision of the give-and-take regarding the creative process. That shitty copy encouraged me to reward everyone involved in making it a truly enjoyable experience.
On the other hand, I have no wish to reward anyone for stealing precious time from my life.
I will watch a version of District 9 on my dinky little screen so that I can decide if a full-blown theatre experience is worth the while of my family members. I will sacrifice the time it takes to sit from opening to closing credits. I will determine if it’s appropriate for members of my family from pre-teen to geriatric. I will pick and choose members of my family that will enjoy the experience and exclude those who will bitch, whine, text, spoil or otherwise ruin the experience for audience members around them.
Expect purchases. Expect support when warrented. No one wants the entertainment industry to die; least of all the “pirates”.
Expect passive punishment for stealing morsels of lives.
Now for the analogy.
I have an electric race track. My friend has a replicator. He replicated the design of a vehicle made by a retarded child. I tried it. I confirm that the “artist” is retarded. He cites the many people that helped the retarded child bring his design into reality. I purchase the retarded child’s design out of sympathy.
Now I have a retardedly designed racecare discarded and gathering dust on a shelf. I could have used that money for toilet paper and baby formula.
My friend feels bad for replicating a horrible design. I feel bad for feeling bad about feeling bad.
He replicates his replicater, I replicate a kick-ass design and all my friends go to the track to watch the real thing in action.
When I come home, I race that tiny version of the real thing around the track over and over. Then I replicate one for another friend.
After a while, the design, the driver and the pit crew become famous!
Things only begin to fall apart once I figure out how to replicate the entire racetrack at full scale. I have to do it someplace where noone else has real estate. I choose Earth’s Moon and begin with episodes of “The Three Stooges” for introductions to Feature Presentations.
I rule the Solar System for figuring out Humanity’s primary problem; Humans are retarded. On purpose.
Theatre release in Kazhakstan and Russia: 13 August
Theatre release in USA: 14 August
Theatre release in Germany: 10 September (and only the crappy dub, I’m quite sure :-/)
R5 DVD release: 4 September
So downloading wins, sorry.
I’ll wait for the DVD or Bluray when I have the 300 bucks for a drive sometimes.
Huh, downloaded it, sound was not very good, could not understand some words in beginning. Movie clearly better than most summer SF crap.
On my way out to the theater in half an hour.
I don’t understand those guy’s trying to tell us that they are not making money.
Hmmmm…lets see, all the crew most gain royalties right and I most lost something because I thought that people who worked on films where paid a fixed salary and when the film was done their income from the film was too but apparently carpenters, FX guys, coffee people, dressers and others all gain royalties LoL
Never mind that the film already paid itself 3 times and by Hollywood standards(that are high) it is a complete success because it made double what its costs was and probably it will sell a lot of DVDs and Blurays just for the exposure and the people talking about it in a positive way.
What are you people insane? You already got paid, you are not talking about a busted film but a successful one. Nobody is stealing anything from you, because those who paid for it did it willingly and those who didn’t probably would have found other ways to see it.
What it really astonishes me is that people say that there is no reason for people to pay for it once it is in the open, well is that is true explain how people paid $100 million dollars already to see it even when they can get it for free?
Why these dumb people pay if they can get it for free, why for God’s sake people pay tickets, go to the theather or buy DVDs or BluRays? Why?
A hint, it is not about morals, people are not going to the theater to watch movies because they feel compelled to help producers, actors and support crews and they don’t buy merchendise because they want to help those people either. When you figure it out why maybe those whiny babies from the industry may stop being worried and find more ways to hook people instead of complaining that they don’t make enough and what they could have made “if” something was different instead of being grateful for what they got and thank God they didn’t loose their homes in this global recession and are not in line soups like a lot of people in a lot of developed countries are right now.
One thing about royalties.
Is the fault of the pirates that whiny babies get paid cents and others ripe the big flow off cash right under their noses?
Let me tell ya, if you are producing something and getting paid close to nothing and other are cashing in big, sure as hell is not pirates that are stealing from you.
Learn to do better contracts.
And explain to us how a film that paid itself 3 times will not generate more interest to make another film, and will lead to less quality, higher prices(that I believe could happen), lost jobs and all that crazy talk this people throw around. How? what is the logic of it? If it’s making more then it cost how it could be a bad thing?
it will tell a story when the sequal comes out in 18 months or so and it also gets leaked, film companies are leaking this stuff on purpose as free advertising and busting a few people that download it just as an extra bonus profit
Again, for those who just admit they are stealing crap, good for you.
But anyone else who is trying to justify it, you’re an idiot. NOTHING you can say makes it right. And the fact that so many people try to justify it either shows how screwed in the head you are, or that you feel guilty about it.
And for the guy who said he’d steal my granny if she weren’t bolted down, good for you. It just makes it that much funnier to me when something bad happens to you. When someone mugs you, breaks into your house or steals your car I’ll be that guy standing by the police car pointing and laughing. Because at that point you’ll be a hypocritical jackass and I’ll be laughing harder and harder the more upset you get as you realize you won’t see your stuff again. And trust me, I do it all the time. I’m an asshat that way, but I feel good about it. Karma is a wicked woman and I laugh at her every move.
@179 Sep 08, 2009 at 09:17 by Ferd Burfel:
You are retarded aren’t you?
Right now the only guy laughing is me at you LoL
Download and watch the new movie District 9 http://blog-movie.com/District-9.html
If it’s the torrent I think it is, I wouldn’t call it DVD quality – just a very good R5.
Excellent film BTW ;)
“At the US box office District 9 has grossed a mediocre $100 million since its official release three weeks ago…”
Haha, some world, where US$100M is “mediocre”. :)
THIS FILM NEEDS TO BE SEEM ON THE THEATER.
It deserves. It’s a breath of fresh air
Movie sucked big time, but still glad to see another leak. :D
i the slow sales have more to do with the fact that it is a poor rip off of alien nation with beat you over the head anti-racist message
Sorry, but if a digital download, be it legal or not, deters people from going to the cinema, it’s not a problem of the internet, but of the people.
Either “everyone”’s perception of what going to the movies is has changed or a more general change of accessibility and convenience is occuring or people are simply finding various arguments/reasons why alternative viewing and aquisition methods are preferable.
It’s their ATTITUDE and WAY OF USE that is changing. It’s not as easy as saying hey they’re all just spiteful pirates who’d rather watch a blotchy copy on a 22″ than on “the big screen”.
Also – you can’t go selling people home cinema, from widescreen TVs to DVD players, beamers and whatnot and so forth, AND expect them to still love the “original”.
If you advertise the big screen effect in the comfort of anyone’s home and THEN go whining about how the normal cinema is dying, well, let’s face it, then you’re the type of retard who cuts off and eats his arms when he’s hungry and then complains he can’t scratch himself anymore when his a$$ itches.
Seriously.
Pirating of movies only shows how much that Big Business has fallen behind on things. Their short sightedness fail to recognize that people are willing to wait 4 months to a year for the DVD release. Why pay $25+ to take yourself and a date out to movie when you can wait for a bit and get the DVD? Sometimes the DVD costs the same or less than the movie ticket. I’m of the “try before you buy” crowd of pirates, but according to Powers-That-Be (ie Big Business) were nothing but criminals and deserve to live the rest of our lives in destitution and jail.
@#190 Trelew
Here is my question for you and anyone else who says that they use torrents as a “try it before you by it” type of tool.
Do you go to a book store and read the entire book before you decide to buy it? When you go to a restaurant do you order a meal eat the entire thing and then decide if it is worth paying for? When you go grocery shopping do you sample every item before putting it in your cart and paying for it. When you buy a car do you insist that you get to drive it for a couple of months to see if you really like it and want to pay for it?
Probably not, correct? Then what makes you think you should have the right to pre-screen a movie before deciding if you want to go to the theater and pay for it?
Sounds to me like your bosses are telling you that the reason you are not getting a raise is the pirates, and you believed them. I don’t feel sorry for you, I pity you. They are using it as an excuse, and you go for it.
I don’t really care if you guys download stuff- but some of you, be honest, some of you are never gonna pay a cent to this movie. And then two weeks from now when your dumbass friends want to see transformers again, since you’re already hanging out, you’ll go see it with them. And so that’s why some of the rest of us are annoyed, that now you’re gleefully ripping off an interesting movie with no hollywood stars; whether it’s successful or not doesn’t really factor in the equation.
And no, the crew isn’t gonna be making royalties off of this thing. Nor are they for Transformers. But when people with the money see that District 9 made, say, 100 million, then they think for his next movie we can invest twice as much. Meaning he can hire twice as many people or employ them twice as long or whatever. People that are making good work.
It’s not that you’re downloading a movie, especially if you’re in a place that doesn’t have it yet. It’s that you seem to think you’re in a war where it’s awesome little pirates vs. money-hungry slick cokehounds, and that’s just silly.
Worthless piece of xenophobic waste of film, time, bandwidth and hard drive space.
Cool now i don’t have to wait for it to come to theatres.
@181 (Fred Burfel):
Well, good for those people who actually are just doing it for the free stuff and admit it. I do it for the free stuff only because I don’t have the credit card to pay for it. (Yeah, and then you’re going to give me some real-world analogy about “would you steal gas for your car if you didn’t have a credit card” and tell me to fuck off because I don’t get the real world at all. Both sides’ arguments are one-dimensional.)
And when something bad happens to you, we’ll all be there laughing as well.
Like you said, karma is a bitch.
@191 (Jeff):
Actually, Ford is offering the test drive stuff like you said. (No charge.) And I’ve actually read an entire book inside a store before, without buying it afterwards or leaving it in a worse condition. So don’t call your own bluff.
@194 (District Crap):
I’m assuming you bought it? Because otherwise, you’re getting what you paid for.
Ehh first time i downloaded, it was someone in the theatre with a cam. Next time i did, it was pretty good quality, though. Imma but the DVD probably. I want to see the special features!!
@ 174 “Kol”
You real-world scenarios could not have been stated more clearly and anyone who would argue justification is not living in the real world.
Your analogy made me lol.
For Jeff:
We can do what you say for intangible goods. We can’t try the food before to pay for it (well we actually can, many groceries do make us eat food for FREE then we can decide if we like it and buy it and pay for it).
I went to the cinema, watched “The Simpsons – Movie”, paid about 15 punds for it (more than 30 bucks) then I downloaded the movie (crappy quality) for free. Did I do something wrong?
No, we can watch before to buy, and we can download once we have bought a cinema ticket or a movie, considering we can’t copy something that’s OURS because all their DRM crap.
To conclude Jeff’s analogies about the fact that “we can’t try before to buy”, I just wanted to remind him that lots of stuff on the internet do offer a “try before to buy”, we can basically try everything before to buy, including food.
A friend shares a piece of whatever food he paid for with me, I taste it, if it’s good I pay for it. Groceries do offer samples, we can drive a car before to buy it (for free), and in the country where I am, when I pay for whatever thing online, if I decide I don’t want it anymore, I have 10 days to give it back. Meanwhile I tried it for free. Of course they’ll give me my money back.
To conclude, it’s our right to try anything before to spend our money with it.
If it’s true that one every 10 downloads it’s a loss sale, the music companies should just lower their prices. It’s their greediness who let this happen. And it does NOT mean that a lost sale equal lost money. If a seller pays 10c for something and sells it for 10$, and a thief rob his tangible good, he really did not lose anything, on the opposite, he still profited with it. If just the MAFIAA won’t be so greedy, probably they will not “lose” any sales on bittorrent users. But what matters here is money, and even with P2P they are not losing any. If they are so poor they won’t have the many million of dollars they’re spending to sue kids, mothers, to bother people that perhaps does not even own a PC (yes, they have IPs but they can do mistakes), they just give bad publicity to themself.
They are the main cause of their problems, yet they come and blame us. There’s no way I’m accepting this behiavour. I will still download anything I want, if I like it PERHAPS I will pay for it if the price is reasonable, and I said reasonable, otherwise tough sh*t.
Usually I rarely download, but it’s becoming a question of principles. I don’t want to make these greedy corporations greedy at the expense of the poor people who does not even have enough for a living.
I meant:
“I don’t want to make these greedy corporations richer at the expense of the poor people who does not even have enough for a living.”
@James Holdger
I don’t want to you to think that I feel sorry for a lot of the media companies. I do think they need to change how they do business. It is a customer driven business. If your customers are telling you they want your product in a certain way and you are not willing to deliver it that way they will find it somewhere else. As for them being greedy, I don’t see it like that. 99cents for a song is fair. A lot of work went into the recording and promoting of that music and I think paying 99cents for something you can own and listen to as much as you want is a fair price. Just like I think around $15 is a fair price for a DVD. Sure it can be expensive to go to the theater and watch a movie, but you don’t have to. You can just as easily wait until it comes out on pay per view or DVD and rent it. Where I take exception is when people download. I see it like this: If you pay to see a movie in the theater you are paying for that viewing of the movie. You aren’t paying to own it, you are paying to see it once. Later if you buy it on DVD you are paying to own it. Paying for a viewing the theater doesn’t give you the right to own it.
As for trying before buying, there is a big difference, to me, in trying a free sample of food at the store (or a taste of your friend’s order), trying a short term trial of a piece of software or even reading a chapter in a book before you buy it than watching the entire movie before you decide to pay. Isn’t a free bite of food, chapter of a book or trial of software the same a movie trailer or a well written review? You are getting a sample of it. Not the entire thing and you make your decision to buy based on that sample.
@ James Holdger
You said: “I don’t want to make these greedy corporations richer at the expense of the poor people who does not even have enough for a living.”
Sorry dude, but that is a pretty ridiculous statement. We are talking about entertainment here, not life or death. If someone can’t afford to go to the movies and has to wait to rent the movie on DVD or pay per view to see it (or even wait until it airs on free TV) they aren’t going to die. If you can’t afford something, you don’t buy it. They aren’t preying on anyone. You don’t need movies and music to live. This is a leisure item. The reason it costs so much to go to the movies is because that is the price people are willing to pay. Near me there is a luxury theater with big reclining leather chairs, all digital screening rooms and a great food selection. At it costs $25 USD to see a movie there (more than twice the average theater) and it is sold out every week. Why? Because people are willing to pay for it. If you can’t afford to go to the movies then don’t go. It is that simple. Entertainment companies are not sucking the blood out of anyone. Save that discourse for the pharmaceutical industry.
@ Jeff:
The same analogy can be made with MP3s and movies, what we download are just samples. Bad quality, or let’s say downgraded quality. It’s not the real full quality thing.
So you get why I insist it’s just a “try before to buy” kind of thing. If I want to have the full quality thing I have to buy the real stuff.
Anyone know anything about the leakage of Moon (Sam Rockwell)?
Please!
Excellent Film well worth a watch on the big screen. If you like it buy the dvd when it comes out!
great film
@ Jeff:
If that’s the price people are willing to pay, then why we’re here to talk about pirates and million of downloads? Am I missing something?
Your luxury theatre is full of people willing to pay for it, but for one of the people willing to pay 25 bucks to go into a theatre, there are 100 people not willing to pay that much, indeed, either because they cannot afford that much, or for other reasons.
Pharmaceutical industries do also make their meds very expensive, but here in the EU we’re not too much worried about it, we get lifesavers and other important meds for free; other meds are expensive, yes, but there are alternatives. Not like the US hospitals who’s asking a patient if they got insurance before to let them in, but this is another discussion.
Anyhow, I won’t give up to entertainment just because the MAFIAA is greedy. I’ll keep to download stuff before to buy it, and there’s nothing they can do to stop me and the many people like me, unless of course to change their behiavour.
@ Jeff:
If that’s the price people are willing to pay, then why we’re here to talk about pirates and million of downloads? Am I missing something?
Your luxury theatre is full of people willing to pay for it, but for one of the people willing to pay 25 bucks to go into a theatre, there are 100 people not willing to pay that much, indeed, either because they cannot afford that much, or for other reasons.
Anyhow, I won’t give up to have my entertainment just because the MAFIAA is greedy. I’ll keep to download stuff before to buy it, and there’s nothing they can do to stop me and the many people like me, unless of course to change their behiavour.
Ok here is the deal.
Theater sales have been up 10% in the last 10 years and DVD sales has dropped 1%. Fuck people who aren’t happy with 100-million dollars.
One million people downloaded it, but that does not mean that all these people would have seen the movie i n theaters, or even seen it on DVD
Best movie of the year. Go support it.
I Went Cinema And watched it it was fantastic then got my hands on the dvdrip going around
i think you should get a choice whether u want the dvd or the cinema or both no point of holding back on dvds
Great movie. I loved the way it was set in South Africa and not the USA like everything else.
Found a soundboard from the movie too:
http://www.fookinprawns.net
Very funny!
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