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Police Make Arrest, Hunt Admins Of 500,000 Member File-Sharing Site

Following a key arrest on Monday, authorities say they have charged three individuals said to be the administrators of a very large file-sharing site. The Greek forum, which carried links to material hosted on cyberlocker sites including Megaupload, had more than half a million members. According to the police the suspects generated substantial revenue from donations and gambling ads and cost copyright holders more than $85 million.

In the not-so distant past, every other week there would be news about either BitTorrent sites or their users falling foul of the law. While they still have their share of problems, the rise of so-called cyberlockers and sites that index them means that at least for now the focus has been shifted.

In recent months its been all about the file-hosters themselves, the Megaupload raid in January and the fall out ever since. Today we bring news of action against a site that supplied links to films, music and games hosted on file-hosters all around the world.

On Monday, Greek police swooped on addresses in the cities of Athens and Thessaloniki and arrested a woman said to be 40 years-old and one of the operators of GreekDDL.

The site, which is hosted in the United States and remains partially online but with “major upgrades” underway, was a significant player. Authorities claim that it had in excess of 500,000 members.

GreekDDL

To get an idea of the gravity local police are putting on the case, we can compare some recent stats. According to US authorities Megaupload, one of the world’s largest websites at the time, cost rightsholders $500m. GreekDDL (according to Alexa Greece’s 63rd largest site) allegedly cost rightsholders $85.4m (65m euros).

The amounts quoted are, as always, up for debate. It is being claimed that GreekDDL had to shut down for a while in January (traffic stats do indeed show a nosedive) since much of its indexed content had been stored on Megaupload. If that was the case, presumably the ‘losses’ to rightsholders would have been counted twice in two separate cases.

Authorities add that GreekDDL charged its members a subscription for access, although it’s not currently clear if these are simply donations by another name. GreekDDL did have a so-called ‘premium’ VIP section but what went on there is unclear. Nevertheless, police say that in January alone the site received 220,000 euros.

It’s also claimed that the admins of the site generated “substantial amounts” of revenue both from advertising and directing site members to online gambling sites located abroad, earning “commissions of up to 40%” on the latter.

Police say they want to detain two other site admins, one of whom is reportedly being tracked with the help of Swedish authorities and Interpol.

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  • MadAsASnake

    Just once, I’d like to see a fully rational explanation as to how they came up ith those ludicrous “losses” figures

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Agreed. They usually automatically take for granted that every download = a lost sale, which has been disproven so many times that it is sad in the extreme.

      The police shouldn’t even be bothering with bunkus like this, the MPAA and RIAA along with like organizations should be taking care of this themselves.

      • MadAsASnake

        … and as they say, two in this case as Mega is a “Lost Sale” and Greek, for pointing them there , is also a “Lost Sale”…

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        • Camilo

          Yes, so they should also charge the ISP for the “lost sale”. Oh, and let’s not forget Microsoft for the Windows computer you used. Are you on a library? Charge them too! And Linux developers because the server ran linux. Guess every Linux library and program used by the server such as Apache and PHP helped too, so charge them a lost sale too.

          ¬¬

    • Goofy222

      They figured a couple fat chicks didnt showup to buy a ticket to see Titanic3D and that plus the popcorn loss should be about 37 million.

    • djnforce9

      To be honest, I don’t believe you will EVER get a clear answer from people who tout such outrageous losses. Probably because there is no direct proof and any admission that the claim is not true would be counter productive to these industries agendas to get monopolistic control of the content as well as the ability to invade people’s privacy.

      As Christopher said, they believe each download equals a lost sale because someone is now enjoying the material/content without paying anything for it. They also have this ridiculous notion that something that gets pirated needs to be several times more popular just to break even than if it had not been pirated at all. It’s about as illogical as it sounds so I don’t buy that argument either especially after those Torrentfreak articles reporting no increase in sales from countries with a reduced piracy rate from overly harsh legislation (e.g. three strikes).

      • Mwhahaha

        Of course there’s no proof on lost sales. If they’re to be taken seriously in the slightest they have to show exactly how these figures are reached. If they’re not just plucked from thin air.

        People d/l to try before they buy, they d/l to have a digital copy of a film they’ve purchased and they d/l to watch films they’d never ever pay money for because frankly they’re crap.
        I know that personally I’ve found many wonderful films which I’ve subsequent bought, but would never have risked cash on until I knew what they were like. I got sick and tired of believing the false advertising movie studios put on film posters saying how great they were, only to be utterly disappointed once I’d watched them.

        No other industry is allowed such leeway in claims over their products. No other industry has such a difficult returns policy. If I buy a pie and it’s rotten I take it back and most likely get something to compensate me on top of a refund. If I waste 2 hours of my life watching a crappy film I bought then what can I do? How many people take back DVDs or walk out of a cinema because the fare offered is rotten and stinking?

        Very few.

        The movie industry has had its way for way too long, screwing over every other part of their supply and customer chains. Any loss of sales they incur fall squarely on their own tight fisted, false advertising, awkward, greedy and manipulative shoulders.

        So, so little sympathy.

    • Inveritas

      it think reactiong in a rational way to irrational shit like this is long overdue

    • Katalyst

      There was a TED talk by Bill Reid which explained the generation of these numbers very clearly…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0

    • Monarchy45

      Oouww what a surprise , greek people for sale ? Ohh yes they invent democracy and now corrupt democracy sale them to USA corporations , what a irony

    • Guest

      they are totally crap …. they are based on POTENTIAL loss … i estimate the REAL lost at under 1m ……. entertainement industry did better in 2011 than any other years … loss in revenue my ass….

    • FBI RATS

      I was thinking that too, 500 and 85 million is large numbers to throw round willy nilly.. this is obvious stupidity or corruption…. and they’re in charge :(

      Off topic my neighbor was raided by the police this morning for growing weed.
      He’s growing for personal use but now hes lost all his weed and has to go court and pay fines. He will most likely pay about £300 if its the same as the last fine…

      One Gram of weed is £15 to buy

      One last thing. I just found out they kicked off his door simply because he sits on a railing outside his house. (could be a lie, police lie) Based on that they assumed he was dealing an managed to get a warrant to search his house..

      200 grams of weed gone, 3 months growing time wasted, £300 fine, maybe jail or probation, Criminal record. Fair?

    • brraapp

      Ad revenue, dummy. repeated ad exposure to 500,000 users is very valuable. The creators of the content deserve most of it, not some self-appointed distributor. Now get a fn clue about the real motivation behind piracy. Its for profit. Fn fools here….

      • Fredrika

        > “The creators of the content deserve most of it, not some self-appointed distributor.”

        You seem confused. If the creators wish to make money from their creation they are entrepreneurs, and entrepreneurs only deserve money when they manage to —> sell <— something. Sell being the key word.

        Unless you are against the free market and advocate a planned economy that is?

        > “Now get a fn clue about the real motivation behind piracy. Its for profit.”

        People engaging in non-profit filesharing make no profit whatsoever from their piracy. Their motivations is to access culture in a easy problem-free way, without limtations, regional lockouts and other DRM. This is nothing strange.

        Secondly, wanting to access culture for free without the creators getting any compensation from it has been the norm in society for over a 150 years. This is a fully accepted behaviour in society, that several hundreds of millions of people now engage in through filesharing.

        Entrepreneurs operating successful search engines, indexing torrents that people wish to index, deserve all the ad revenues they make, again unless you’re against the free market?

      • Guest

        The creators of the content.

        Not the MAFIAA.

        Learn2discern rightsholders from creators kthnx.

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    • http://www.facebook.com/sam.ranjan Sam Ranjan

      For the fourth weekend in a row, ‘The Hunger Games’ topped the weekend box office with an estimated $21.5 million.

      i hope they do check their earned figures out before making useless assumptions on how much one made with piracy -.-’

  • Tsunku

    don’t you know? they pull them out of their ass! right this second the mpaa has lost over 50000000 bajillion dollars cuz you were reading this article instead of buying movies!

    • gollu

      Greek, eek! Than country is soon in bankrupt and they have multibillion loan to pay. How … I dont… those ludicrous “losses” figures are created.

  • Anon

    http://websiteshadow.com/greekddl.com (of course, it’s just estimates, but…..)

    500 000 members ? 220 000€ in one month ? You gotta be kidding me !

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Agreed…… I doubt that they were making that much in a whole year. The estimated donations seems outrageously oversized.

      • Mwhahaha

        I’d say what maybe 10% of any of these places’ memberships give cash and then only £5-10 at most. I’d say 220,000 in a year would be unlikely, let alone in a month.

        Did they carry ads? Are they counting that too?

    • Named

      220 000 / 5 = 44 000

      So it only requires 44k users to have premium accounts which pay monthly £5.

      (I’m unsure whether the site charges £5/mo tho).

      I think it’s wrong to do that considering it’s a piracy website, but then again it lets you have free access but you have the option to get a premium just like Megaupload … so I guess it’s ok – as long as they give them for free as well.
      Hmm, it’s hard to show my opinion on this matter because at one side of the arguement claiming this shouldn’t be allowed (profiting from piracy) could be dangerous to cyberlockers … on the other hand they offer free access so it’s not like they are forcing people, it’s more like they are giving them VIP access for a better service (paying for the service rather than the content).

  • ndmushroom

    Last time I checked, the site was free to use. It did, however, require the installation of a specific download managing software, which is why I never used it.

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  • Jeff Bekcer

    This is the flaw of Direct Download. Central point of weakness.

    Torrents have a central weakness too, trackers. PEX and DHT are your friends in that case.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

      The linksite is a weak link in most filesharing. In fact cyberlockers without their own search rely on linksites, search engines tend to get slapped with dmca notices to delist links. Multipart cyberlocker uploads made under anonymised titles require posts on a linksite to know what you are downloading.

      Torrent sites these days, TPB in particular is nothing but a giant linksite providing you with hashes. BitTorrent may have removed the reliance on trackers, but if the DHT system ever gets a peer search facility you can guarentee that search will go the same way as edonkey search. Because of the degree of spam, fake files etc edonkey/emule is now almost exclusively reliant on ed2k links (similar to torrent magnet links) to identify files amoung the junk so just about every form of filesharing is reliant on someone posting a download link somewhere trusted by the downloader.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        No, it wouldn’t go the way of ed2k because ed2k’s weakness is that it didn’t have a system to ‘rate’ files on the network and delist files that get more than X amount of 1 star ratings or that have ‘virus’ appended to them.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

          cant say with other clients, but emule which is now the defacto ed2k client does support rating, its not vote based but if lucky you can find comments, then again you need to trust the raters. that was where ed2k linksites came in. It also depends on the motives of the rater, they could be rightsholder stooges trying to deter downloads or someone downloading a linux distro in good faith only to get a porn vid (if he works out the different file type) or a miffed perv who ends up with a linux distro due to intentional mislabling.

          The only ratings that work are within a trusted community be it a linksite, irc or whereever where the file can be delisted if fake (or hopefully never posted.

  • Anonymous

    why cant the entertainment industries understand and accept that, when, as in this case alone, 500,000 people were NOT getting material from them, there has to be reasons? if prices were sensible, formats varied, availability the same for all things in all places, ie, not selective releasing, download speeds were fast and DRM was totally omitted, a lot of those people would buy from the industries. i know i would. if me being as thick as fuck can see it, why cant they? there has to be more than the ‘ignorance is bliss’ thought process going on here.

    • Anonymous

      A 500,000 userbase demand for it +another few millions that don’t know how to use cyberlockers…This is the reason why the content industry just have absolutely no f’ing clue how to monetize all these users.

    • FBI RATS

      The problem is that you want choice. They don’t want to give you choice, they want to restrict your tastes. The idea is to keep the prices high and sell less. Restrict choice and destroy competition. Lower customer standards to make customers less demanding. They are greedy

      • Jmorse43508

        The same can be said about the game industry. Corporate greed in the form of Day 1 DLC & content on the disc itself which is locked, draconian DRM, stupid region restrictions, and high prices ($60 for new games is rather excessive) are just some of the reasons why people pirate games. Many of those same reasons apply to other content.

  • Anonymous

    Dude thats totally insane. There must be a sudden world wide shortage of real crime out there. Really-Anon.tk

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    I would love to know how they arrived at and appirtioned loss figures to a link site. How do they approprtion this fake loss between the linksites and the file hosts???

    Also as this site was dumb enough to host in the states, its pretty obvious who is in the driving seat on this.

    Lets face it, the greek police havnt beenpaid in months mind you it makes a nice change and lower risk than their now typocal riot duty.

  • http://twitter.com/happyizpunjai happy

    only way they could get this evidence is by joining the site and by joining the site aren’t they part of the users who use it.
    I think any one joining a site should upload at least one file for safety to determine if there trust worthy or not. Like somebody upload a movie to the site owner gets full access to any download links while user that upload small music or a random file should get access to forums but no download links therefore somebody has to commit a crime before they can get access to movies and music. RIAA, MPAA, ICE even as to commit to crime therefore you can say they were also part of the organization by uploading a movie.

    • Anonymous

      That’s exactly how kiddie porn sites do it, yet, they’re still infiltrated. How – don’t know and don’t think it is revealed.

    • Mwhahaha

      They’d be allowed to upload their own material, apparently its not illegal to do so.

      Weird huh.

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  • http://twitter.com/binarymutant Christopher Lunsford
  • http://www.skin-box.com/ Trax

    How can posting links to files in a cyberlocker be breaking any law, whether the link leading to illegal content or not?? Should it not be to the discretion of the user following that link to take the last step of actually downloading the illegal copy??

    Its like seeing a burglar in the street and giving him directions somewhere, would that also be illegal??

    • Mwhahaha

      If you gave him directions on how to enter the house that you knew he was burgling, (the back window never locks properly etc), then yes it would be aiding and abetting I’d imagine.

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  • http://profiles.google.com/orfetheo Orfeas Theofanis

    Oh my fucking god we have bigger problems in Greece and those idiots are chasing linking sites!!
    Instead of rushing in the parliament and arresting those 300 thieves , they spend our tax money to close down the sites we want.

    Another (out of many) big FUCK YOU to the Greek government and Greek police.
    F U C K Y O U

    • Mwhahaha

      Upside: 300 less unemployed in Greece.
      Downside: 300 court cases, possible prison sentences, each costing ??? Euros

    • Anonymous

      because greece like other euro countries is a US dog. and those 300 thieves are probably the government itself

  • Anonymous

    Being hunted by Interpol…FML.

    More sites are to come and I can’t blame the DDL forums shutting down (pre-emptively) if they are doing so. Rather freedom than rot in a jail and pay a fine for the rest of your life.

  • Waseihou

    Does exist something like DHT for links on cyberlockers? Something that you would install and then you could search for content and there would be a forum for each record? What already existing software would be best suited for such task?

  • Anonymous

    Aside from the unreliability of MPAA cited loss figures, the extent to which the U.S. can whip so many supposedly “sovereign” countries into a straight line on its specific version of Copyright law is really breathtaking.

    That power to intimidate and coerce follows a path from the U.S. through Great Britain through France and Germany and outward in a kind of spreading modern mercantile colonialism: At the top of the food chain the United States, Britain, France, and Germany write the rule book and issue orders; and, at the other end of the line, starving Greeks and Spaniards are told that, above all, they will pay off debts to foreign money center banks.

    Should we be surprised at the constant spectakle of more governments making public theatre of their willingness to pillory their citizens in defence of the American copyright monopolies?

    Not if we keep in mind that the purpose of this international system is to transfer wealth from the bottom to the top of the global food chain. Wealthy Greeks, for example, are undoubtedly fervently Greek in their hearts; but, in bad economic
    times, they can live just as comfortably in New York, Paris, London, or Berlin as they can in Athens. Language is no problem. Their children can study at Oxford. They can get their healthcare at the Mayo clinic; hold their wealth securely in Swiss bank accounts; and, return to Athens when and if investment opportunities and “quality of life” improve. How different is this really for Argentinian, Russian, Mexican, Colombian and other elites? Isn’t this the reason that they can spend decades running their national societies into the ground and be better off after the catastrophy than before?

    It would seem, superficially, that American citizens stand at the very top of this pyramid; and,indeed, America’s largest corporations, and the one percent of Americans that own or manage those corporations ARE at the top of that food chain; but, the vast majority of 300 million Americans who earn their living by working for those corporations are only relatively and maginally better off than foreign nationals working for those same corporations abroad.

    Moreover laws like SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, and CISPA are evidence that the expanding power of mercantile coercion and control is simultaneously directed inwardly as well as outwardly.

    Unless Americans can bring their government and corporations under constitutional controls, they are likely to become the Greek citizens of tomorrow.

  • Anonymous

    We of course do not know the full story here but this case is very suspicious.

    This is of course an announcement site meaning that they should not have hosted any copyright protected media at all. Also any infringing links would have been done by the users and not the site owners. Then with 500,000 members there is NO WAY that a handful of administrators could police them all. Last of all much lawful content would have been posted as well, like Creative Common and Public Domain, and due to the copyright cartels KI>apathy there is no way a site owner can judge the sharing status of media in the 1 second they can spare or to even apply a workable filter.

    So this all seems to me like the usual market harassment and bullying in terms of “we don’t like what you are doing so we will try to destroy you”

    How valid this case is remains to be seen but like 4th position linking infringement usually does not go down well in Court. Greek law I don’t know so well but say linking site cases in the UK have not gone well for them to the point they now say “UK law is useless” and aim to punish them in the USA instead.

    We should keep in mind that the Copyright Cartels do lose the majority of their cases so being attacked is never a sign of guilt.

    Last of all it seems bizarre that the Greek Government what with all the problems in this country would seek to remove people’s free entertainment which could prove the final straw before the riots and the fire bombings begin. It is not like those poor souls can afford cinema tickets.

    • Mwhahaha

      As the UK and Greek laws both come under the wider EU, I’d imagine there’s very little difference, especially if they keep appealing and going up the ladder of courts.

      If they can’t get them under Greek law, then surely they’ll just extradite them to the US.

      It always comes back to down to the basic argument:

      Free speech has a price.
      In this case the price is movie studios hypothetical loss of profit.
      Is that worth more than free speech?

    • Beyond The Black Stump

      I lifted this from the following from the Sydney Morning Herald. It really shows how wrong media releases can be further from the actual truth.

      Australia’s biggest pirate? Fat chance

      In February last year, the anti-piracy arm of the music industry, Music Industry Piracy Investigations (MIPI), put out a thunderous press release claiming it had helped police “shut down one of Australia’s largest illegal music burning operations” in Melbourne.

      Acting on information from MIPI, police seized “close to 100 CD burners and approximately 25,000 discs containing pirate music housed in a suburban CD store”.

      MIPI’s general manager, Sabiene Heindl, said at the time: “This is one of the largest and most blatant illegal music burning labs that we have seen for some time.”

      It was only this year that the case finally ground its way through the courts and further details were released.

      Of the 25,000 “pirate” CDs that MIPI claimed it seized, 14,600 were blanks, while the remaining discs were mostly of Asian artists which the store, Lucky Bubble, had a licence to reproduce.

      Less than 100 of the discs were proven to be pirated copies and the charges were dropped to the lowest possible level. The manager of the store, who claims the handful of pirated discs were placed in his shop by staff, in the end was let go with a $1500 fine.

      It’s a far cry from the hundreds of thousands of dollars in penalties and years in jail that MIPI warned about in its press release.

      The police have recently returned the man’s burners and almost all of the seized discs.

      “This whole operation from the start has just been a monumental stuff-up by MIPI,” said barrister Doug Potter, who represented the defence in this matter but has 18 years’ experience with Victoria Police and has previously helped MIPI with its prosecutions.

      “This bloke’s got a legitimate licence to be selling material and they’ve tried to characterise him as the greatest pirate in Australia. If their assessment is right they don’t have a piracy problem, it’s as simple as that.”

      Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/piracy-are-we-being-conned-20110322-1c4cs.html#ixzz1rn6yoUcV

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  • Gae

    You really think those Greeks would have had a spare 65 million euro sitting around to spend on movies? The MAFIAA can shove their bullshit lost revenue estimations up their ass.

  • Anonymous

    poor old Greece. things going from bad to worse in one way or another. people have got less than nothing now and still they get hounded over ‘file sharing’. mind you, for those who have no job, no money, no house, perhaps being put in jail could be seen as a help. at least they would be fed, watered and have a roof over their heads. and i dont mean this in any bad way at all, either.

    • Eobmnjaw

      Oh, but there’s no room in jails anymore.
      Illegal immigrants criminals (pakistan, bangladesh, nigerians, romanians and many, many more) occupy them.

      In fact, they’re letting criminals out.

      Now we have suicides almost everyday instead.

  • brrapp

    people who praise pirates and donate to them rather than directly to the artists are about the dumbest you could find…

    • Fredrika

      > “people who praise pirates and donate to them rather than directly to the artists are about the dumbest you could find…”

      In reality one does not exclude the other. It’s possible to do both. People who do not understand this, well i guess they could be found. They do have a tendency to expose themselves and their limited understanding for self evident facts.

    • Anonymous

      as the ‘gate keepers’ do their best to prevent direct donations to artists, it is pretty hard to do. when it is possible to do, eg, to independent artists, so-called ‘pirates’ do so more than other sections of the public. you also have the ‘Hollywood Accounting’ that allows the ‘gate keepers’ to rob the very artists they keep saying they are protecting. that’s why there are court cases on-going atm. you seem to be blissfully ignoring that the entertainment industries are for themselves and no one else, not even those that earn the money for them.

    • Phil

      Unfortunately most of the money you pay doesn’t go to the Artists but rather to the blood sucking leeches like Simon Cowell and Sony that feast on their work.

  • TDXI

    It’s about time they started going after forums. I can’t wait until they go after Warez-bb. All the Admins and mods know what the site is for and are complicit in it’s running, they should leave Kim alone and go after them.

    • James

      Wow! Didn’t know that website. Thanks!!

  • Neb12

    I can just see Tom Hanks with a “will work for food” sigh on his neck in Hollywood.

    rap, the was the lamest thing I have read in a long time.

    As of January 2012, BitTorrent has 150 million active users according to BitTorrent, Inc. Based on this the total number of monthly BitTorrent users can be estimated at more than a quarter billion.[3] At any given instant of time BitTorrent has, on average, more active users than YouTube and Facebook combined. (This refers to the number of active users at any instant and not to the total number of unique users.)[4][5][

    This insanity is fuled by greed. Since THEY can't get the Courts to side with them, corporate world will intercede and keep the politicians safe from unfavorable fallout.

    Let's go kill the cash cow!

    Sign of times, humanity IS insanity.

    Will work for food.

  • Retaliator

    “According to the police the suspects generated substantial revenue from donations and gambling ads and cost copyright holders more than $85 million.”

    I am so fucking tired of the constant lies of all these corporates globalists parasites and their cops Mignons that I fell like killing them all right now.

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  • foff

    Membership figures are always over inflated. I have registered for many sites and then have never returned. The claims of losses are as usual ridiculous. The claims could only have some validity if the files were not available anywhere else but as we know there hundreds if not thousands of sources for links for every file uploaded that is worth anything. Even if all sources were eliminated there is no evidence that sales would go up. In fact the contrary seems to be the case.

  • PRIVACY is priceless to me

    “Piracy is responsible for the debt!” LOL
    Shouldn’t greeks be worrying for more serious things than defending the interests of a way-too-rich U$ minority?

  • Neb12

    Carnavore is alive.

    TF, you are guilty .

    Too much sympathy? for the lived?

    Kill the clients and BT goes away.

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  • Whatever

    If u r dumb enough to use real details to register with a pir8 site u deserve to be caught like the Muppet that u r

  • Baronluigi5

    There is something that should be mentioned.

    There are some people who initially would buy something they are interested into, but after downloading it from the net they decide not to do that. That could be considered as a lost sale.

    Ok, however there are another plenty of people (much more that the ones mentioned before) who just download things because they are available for that, not because they are interested in the “product” itself. If there was not any copy available on the net, they would go looking for another thing to download, nothing more.

    Another important thing that we should put in clear is the point of view of the industry, which thinks that when a “cultural” product is released for sale, it will have plenty of sales for sure, without thinking on the fact that maybe the people is not really interested on their product. This is a very important fact, they “cultural” industry is extremely saturated, full of different products and services, with new ways to spend our free time appart from the classical ones, and most of the times, piracy has nothing to do with a product not receiving good sales.

  • Phil

    So the people who bankrupted the Greek economy and it’s people continue to live in luxury untouched by law enforcement but some guys that set up a website are enemy number 1 for the Greek State.
    And people wonder why the West is fucked

  • Guest

    It was extremely stupid of them to host their site in the United States. They had to have known that the Gestapo would eventually come for them or if not they were extremely naive. If you’re going to run a warez forum, host it in a country where it will actually be secure and don’t live in the United States or any of its puppet states.

  • Anonymous

    my buddy’s ex-wife brought home $21370 a month ago. she makes money on the computer and moved in a $500100 house. All she did was get fortunate and apply the instructions explained on this link >>> http://makeonlinecash2.blogspot.in

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  • Ino Alvo

    I want to add that most downloaded movies are of very poor quality, 700 MB up to 1400 MB capacity at the most. Nothing to compare with original DVD quality. The same applies to music, which is usually in mp3 which is a very inferior audio quality.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4DVMHPEK6IOMOJECLFZOXPGUJ4 Russell

    my classmate’s sister-in-law brought in $12070 the previous week. she is working on the computer and got a $440400 home. All she did was get blessed and put to work the guide written on this web site  (Click on menu Home more information)   http://goo.gl/ynjwV 

  • Mr. William P. Ballsaq

    cost per movie infringement offense is based as follows:

    initial box office ticket price – $12.00
    3-D glasses – $3.00
    large beverage – $8.00
    large popcorn – $11.00
    candy bar – $6.00
    dvd rental – $3.00
    dvd rental late fee – $10.00
    dvd movie purchase – $20.00
    BR Movie purchase – $20.00
    3-D movie purchase – $20.00
    streaming movie subscription – $10

    PL = projected losses sub total $123.00

    AFS = average family size in Utah 3.7

    TW = Tax Windfall from reporting profits as losses $3697

    TC = tax credit for exporting product to underdeveloped countries $4700.00

    LOSS = motion picture profit after IRS clears estimated loss projections $0.00

    PIRATE = you know who you are and we will find you! 500,000

    SUCKERS = actual amount of people who paid to see the stuff we have been shitting out these days 3653

    so you see it is quite understandable to quantify all of the projected losses for the MPAA by applying this formula to each viewers impact since it can be said that each viewer has a chance to purchase at least one option in the PL but has the ability to purchase all options in the PL and since Utah has the larges reported family size we will use that as a standard average value

    (PL * AFS)+(PL*TW)+(PL*TC)*PIRATESUCKER

    85.4m usd is an accurate assessment of the projected losses for the infringements stated

    as you see the accuracy of the formula is correct and will stand up in any court of law as long as we have at lease 14 key members of congress/ parliament on the payroll.

    thank you for your diligence in this matter. for any more concerns as to the conclusion s found in this formula i refer you to the official Street Drug valuation formulation currently in use by all federal, state, and city law enforcement.

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