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Police Return Seized Hardware to Victorious BitTorrent Admin, Trashed

Last month the second case against a UK-based BitTorrent site came to an end. Two administrators of FileSoup – the longest standing BitTorrent community – had their case dropped by the authorities and were free men once again. This week, personal belongings that were seized during the house raids were released and returned, but what should have been a celebration turned out to be a great disappointment.

When FileSoup administrator Geeker had his home raided in the summer of 2009, police and the Federation Against Copyright Theft (FACT) literally trashed his place. In a previous interview Geeker vividly recalled the events.

“I got back home just before 8pm to find my belongings had been turned upside down, the dining room was a like a whirlwind had gone through..[]..they’d turfed out all the drawers of the desk, chucked back what was of no interest to them, left a pile of paperwork scattered across my desk and table with wires everywhere, talk about a nightmare!”

The police officers and ‘agents’ of the MPAA-funded FACT tagged everything with a chip in it, and bagged them as evidence. In the following weeks some items were returned, including a mobile phone, sat nav and video camera, but most of the hardware was kept under lock and key.

As Geeker and fellow FileSoup administrator Snookered were released from all charges by the Crown Prosecution Service last month, their belongings were finally returned this week. This final step in the dreadful legal proceedings should have been a day to celebrate, but the police once again trashed the party.

From the looks of it the police and FACT did not return all of the seized property, and the hardware that was given back appears to be completely trashed.

“Initially it looks like only a couple of things such as power supply units might be missing, but, as you will no doubt appreciate, there is a heck of a lot of stuff to check, it’s going to take me some time to go through it all,” Geeker explains.

“What concerns me the most about my property, is the condition it is now in… the way it was seized and bagged and how it was probably handled and transported to goodness knows where, the thought just horrifies me,” he adds.

The pictures below document the disaster. A 40 minute audio clip of the agents returning Geeker’s property is available here.

Properly bagged?

filesoup

Dug up from a mine?

filesoup

Damaged and missing parts

filesoup

To say that the evidence was not properly stored and shipped would be a huge understatement. It looks like the computers have been taken apart, dragged through the mud, with no real attempt to reassemble them or clean things up.

According to Geeker none of his systems will boot up, which may not come as a big surprise considering the photos. The big question is why?

It almost appears as if a frustrated FACT employee trashed the hardware on purpose before it was sent back. How else could it turn into such a mess, and why take the computers apart piece by piece in the first place? What were they looking for? Warez?

Geeker is clearly not happy with how his property was handled, and he encourages everyone to help him get the story out.

“Please do me a favour everyone… tell everybody you know about this, blog about it, tweet about it, facebook and myspace or wherever else you feel it might do some good, let the whole bloody world know exactly what these evil gits have done …and will probably keep on doing if something isn’t done to stop this kind of crap from happening and people and their property being treated like this!,” he said.

Geeker has contacted his lawyer to see what the best response to this mess is.

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  • Anonymous

    Crazy, I hope he has some kind of legal recourse available. They should pay for all that damage.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z4JTWH4ZP6KJHWGFACE3M4AEUQ Getridov Disqus

      Yes he has recourse, if the police didn’t find anything illegal in their search then ALL damages must be paid for. It’s up to Geeker to get a good lawyer as it will take some work getting piggy to admit damage or loss in the first place. A lot of lawyers can’t be bothered with the hassle.

      BTW

      Anyone notice how these comments are not coming up in a google search any more? That’s because Disqus doesn’t allow it… Torrentfreak got pwnd !!

      • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

        Disqus-ting.

      • Jerimov Volstad

        Well, with the WP Disqus plugin, your comments are synced with your WP database – and can be displayed without Javascript, straight form your DB, for search engines. So probably Torrent Freak just needs to update their style to work like that.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z4JTWH4ZP6KJHWGFACE3M4AEUQ Getridov Disqus

          Thanks for the info Jerimov, I hope the TF staff are reading this and taking notice…

          It does seem strange to prevent Google from crawling most of the content on a site ( considering the comments are often larger than the original article ).

      • Duke

        Geeker already has a good lawyer. If he didn’t, he could well be in prison by now. It was only the great work by his legal team that got the CPS to admit they didn’t have a clue what they were doing. At least one previous anti-file-sharing case involving FACT resulted in a prison sentence (arguably due to a less-than-perfect defence lawyer – and the sentence was commuted on appeal).

        • Si

          I personally cant see what the fuss is about. if you look at the middle picture, its just a pc without its side on. all the dirt is from prolonged use without cleaning, not from what any law agency has done to it. the bottom pic shows a couple of boxes with their floppy drives ripped out. judging by the state of the pc in the middle picture, i’d say these pcs looked just like this when they were siezed.

          i mean it would have been nice if the cops had serviced the machines, replaced any broken bits and given them a good clean, but theyre facing government cuts dontchaknow.

          the other thing is, how much was this stuff even worth when it was confiscated, it all looks pretty crap to me.

        • Badass Commenter

          Either you are just trying to be funny, or you are an idiot.
          I can’t decide which.

        • Rifter

          Computers gather dust from prolonged use, not brown sludge. What the hell have you been doing to your equipment?

        • http://www.ilovethewalkingdead.com Merle Dixon

          Si,
          Is your handle short for “Simply ineffectual”? Come on, use some common sense man!I don’t care if he lent it out. You don’t return someone’s property all mashed up, with what looks like a coffee cup sitting in the middle of their PC.

          If they took out everything “bagged” then his stuff should come back as his stuff left.

      • DarknezzFallz

        Personally he shouldn’t have to get a good lawyer to get his stuff replaced after being found innocent.
        If the company does not want to pay for damages without legal action then I personally would head down to their offices with a baseball bat and a can of gas to show them that I too can destroy equipement and get away with it like they are.

        • WiredEarp

          Yeah, thats really going to help things… good way to get arrested and fined!

        • Justice

          Maybe but one couldn’t argue that he’d be practicing fair and true justice even though it’s an eye-for-an-eye style. They broke and mistreated his belongings so he should automatically have the right to do the same with them.

        • Anonymous

          (Oops, hit ‘like’ by mistake)

          Anyway, that’s really not the best way to go in my opinion. It would be far better to be above the law and beyond reproach rather than stooping their level. I, for one, would certainly rather not be tarred with the same brush as the low-lives who did this to Geeker’s kit.

        • WiredEarp

          Oh, for sure, might be just – but unfortunately, it wouldn’t get you anywhere in todays world.

        • DarknezzFallz

          I don’t plan on getting caught alive… seeing as my government has let 3 different companies leave me with nothing and less one arm… I don’t give a damn about my life… Nor do I care for the lives of those who have harmed the people I call friends.
          I never use to wish death appon anyone but the last few years have changed me.
          I would kill anyone along my path and feel no remorse.

        • WiredEarp

          Sounds like a good way to improve your life.

        • BoBob

          @DarknezzFallz What are you going to do with that baseball bat? Ignite the gas?

      • Lynx

        “ALL damages must be paid for.”

        That’s always the answer, but the problem is WHO is going to pay for it! When you sue the government, you only screw the people! WE PAY!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z4JTWH4ZP6KJHWGFACE3M4AEUQ Getridov Disqus

          You’re right Lynx, sadly the people will end up footing the bill ( hopefully for Geeker ). But I’m sure that the cost to the public will be significantly less than the amount the public has ALREADY paid to plod and the CPS for the operation.

          The problem seems to be that the police are being used by these types of organisations as there own personal army, fully aware of the cost to the public.

          As this operation was a complete failure, FACT should be sued to recover the cost that the public has incurred ( assuming FACT were the initiators of this action ).

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z4JTWH4ZP6KJHWGFACE3M4AEUQ Getridov Disqus

          You’re right Lynx, sadly the people will end up footing the bill ( hopefully for Geeker ). But I’m sure that the cost to the public will be significantly less than the amount the public has ALREADY paid to plod and the CPS for the operation.

          The problem seems to be that the police are being used by these types of organisations as there own personal army, fully aware of the cost to the public.

          As this operation was a complete failure, FACT should be sued to recover the cost that the public has incurred ( assuming FACT were the initiators of this action ).

        • Edcoyle86

          If that is your problem with this situation, you should be less worried about this guy suing to get his stuff replaced, and more worried with the fact that if he does sue, the person(s) responsible for the damage in the first place lose their jobs. Their fault, their pay should disappear, not the taxpayer money. What is this guy supposed to do, not sue for repairs to his property because he will be taking money from the taxpayers?

      • http://nannirk.net/ Marius Krinnan

        Even if they DID find anything illegal, they would still be liable for damages.

    • gorehound

      This is just typical of what the pig fuckers do/give em a badge and they think they own the world.
      well fuck off.
      i hope their is a huge lawsuit out of this

    • Blake4048

      If local law enforcement seized the property, then maybe they should focus their litigation there (or at least include them in the suite). They will think twice about blindly following orders next time.

  • Anonymous

    Wow thats messed up man, Shouldnt they be forced to pay for all the damaged and missing stuff since the case was dropped?

    anon-tools.es.tc

    • Hmm…

      Hmm… is this classified as spam?

    • LungBungDung

      don’t you usually post as Jessie anon for your shit spam?

  • Smoker6

    Thats just sad & out of order. I would be doing my nut.

  • PleaseRemoveDisqus

    I hope he takes some sort of legal action against FACT. FACT are a group of the thieves, liars and all-around scum. Fucking disgraceful.

    • Anonymous

      Yes the biggest criminals around are FACT.

    • Ninja

      Talk about morals. They moan about the criminals that share but they engage in criminal acts themselves (ie: trashing property). Maybe they should change that anti-piracy propaganda to “I wouldn’t still a car but it’s ok to trash third party property if you think they are infringing copywrong”.

  • Sketch

    we call that destruction of private property, and mishandling of evidence,

    SUE THE BASTARDS FOR MILLIONS. And file a criminal police report for breaking and entering and theft. I would even claim one of the AFACT bastards defecated in my living room….. LMAO

    • http://twitter.com/demonotaku Kyle Brown

      That rug tied the room together man!

      • http://adawah.myopenid.com/ adawah

        The Dude abides.

        • Si

          Shut the fuck up Donny

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Raphael-Blaze-?/653851720 Simon Raphael Blaze ?

    Pathetic, not much more to say other than that!

    • Anonymous

      Clearly shows the behavior of a couple of 12 year olds that get angry when they can’t have it their way. Take a good look, this is what we are dealing with. These are the people that try to rape the law. I am disgusted by people like that!

      • Grindleader

        They do more than TRY, they do rape the law. The real way to get to these assholes is to somehow take away their ability to dictate laws by buying lawyers, politicians, judges etc. If enough people got up and started shouting enough is enough, and started beating on the doors of governments, politicians and lawmakers, they would have no choice but to do something. The one fatal flaw these politicians have is they like power, and if they can have power AND get money they will do it, but if it comes down to only picking one, they will pick power, they want to be re-elected because it gives them access to money. So if the wind blows hard enough, they will eventually do as the people want, but it would take the equivalent of the peasants storming the castle for them to get the message.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    They should not only be sued for the damage but as the case was dropped they should seek compensation not only for the prolonged loss of use of the equipment but also depreciation. IT gear loses value rapidly and even assuming it had been returned undamaged, It would still only be worth a fraction of its value when seized.

    Also on listening to the audio, they were asked to sign for the gear. I hope they either refused or noted the damaged state on the document being signed.

    It seems clear that the Pcs were in the possession of FACT and not the police who by and large know how to treat evidence and will usually even leave harddrives intact , making low level sector copies of drives for investigation so as not to destroy the prime evidence source (the original harddrives).

    • Kon

      Yes, in Comp forensics you have to remove the drive from the host machine and take an image of it, and never touch the drive again. They even have to use special write blockers, as any modification to the drive, even windows booting up and updating logs, would be construed as evidence tampering.

      As for taking machines apart, they have to document everything they seize, and possible even the individual components, so if you get it back, you can’t say you are missing a stick of ram. But with the way they look, i doubt there was any such record keeping.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

    I’d guess the evil bar stewards at FACT, & likely the filth as well, were sniggering as they returned this equipment which they had converted to junk.

    But don’t get mad, get even. First ask your local Citizens’ Advice Bureau what they would advise by way of seeking redress, then contact the UK Pirate Party and see what they have to say. If there’s a well known civil rights solicitor near you, it’s probably worth talking to him/her. Don’t forget to document everything – the photos are a good start.

    It would be handy to know who supposedly had custody of the equipment from seizure to return (FACT or the plod?), with a view to suing them for wrecking it. I’d guess it was demolished quite recently, as in when the prosecution’s case collapsed.

  • Clayton Bigsby

    looks like they peed on everything….yup

  • bfreek

    first: raid while the person is not home? police has no right to search and seize without a notice and granted access by the person.
    second: document the received items and sue the police. they’ve to pay for any damage – especially regarding my first point.

    • Anonymous

      I cant see that is correct.

      Once they are granted a court order they will go and execute this court order no matter your mood or location. If you are not at home they will force their way in but they do have to pay for damages caused.

      I believe if they break your door they will send around a local locksmith, or even carpenter, to repair the damage directly. It is of course not a good idea to leave your front door broken when anyone could enter after they have gone.

      They should also leave you note of who did this and why. This will usually be the seizure warrant with one of FACT’s business cards stapled to it. Simply left somewhere that can’t be missed.

    • http://twitter.com/zanf chris

      US law != UK law

      • Simon

        I think under UK law there is no obligation on the police to compensate for damages during a lawful search.

        On the other hand it is customary to compensate when nothing is found but damage was done.

        In this case since no evidence was found and property was damaged, then search itself was probably unlawful, and the police and FACT can probably be pursued for unlawful search.

        A lot of this falls under the UK’s unwritten constitution and can probably be challenged by anyone with deep enough pockets.

        The outcome desired of course is that FACT is deemed an inappropriate body to be given custody of evidence (since they clearly damaged evidence). Destruction of evidence is a very serious offence under UK law, and applies equally to law enforcement (police get into trouble for this all the time, since the courts can’t established if lost or damaged evidence would have supported the accused defence), and possibly this event should be reported as such a crime.

  • http://billy.wenge-murphy.com/ Billy Wenge-Murphy

    “MPAA-funded FACT”

    Keep that in mind, Europeans, next time you spout off a “hurrr durr America sucks, it can’t happen here” as in the last article’s comments It’s our job to smash the tyrants in EVERY place they pop up.

    • PleaseRemoveDisqus

      While it’s true the MPAA fund FACT (and countless other organisations), copyright enforcement is strongest in the USA – stronger than anywhere else in the Western world.

    • DocGerbil100

      This is precisely why I’ve generally refrained from anti-US comments – the USA may be the MAFIAA’s primary stronghold, but the abuse of power by civic authorities is a problem in every country – what MAFIAA companies do is galvanise, enable, empower and focus that abuse through deceit, bribery and corruption, rather than cause it. The problem would still be there, even if the MAFIAA wasn’t.

    • Tugger

      It’s direct pressure from the US government onto european countries that brought a change to european copyright enforcement.

      It’s the US government that has allowed itself to be easily manipulated by corporate america (something that would never happen in europe/asia) that has caused this problem above.

      It’s easier for the music industry to lobby the us govt, than it is to for them to find revenue streams that are relevant to how music is listened-to in modern times.

      • http://twitter.com/zanf chris

        “It’s the US government that has allowed itself to be easily manipulated by corporate america (something that would never happen in europe/asia)”

        I would think long and hard about that statement and how much basis in fact it actually has. The EU (as a state and independent sovereign nations) is, and has been, easily manipulated by corporations several times in forging legislation and policy.

        • flinderbahn

          You’re comparing a few dodgy deals in Europe with the US system where corruption and bias are endemic, thanks to the enormous lobbyist presence. I lived in Europe for 40 years before moving to the US in 2007, so I’ve seen both sides of the fence. Trust me, the States has a level of corruption that the rest of the world can’t even dream of……

  • Gest

    What about trashing the houses of all these corporate terrorists and burns them to the ground now?

    This will eventually happen unless someone shoot them first.

    • Whatever

      Hopefully someone trashes their property and houses too.
      (Hadn’t though about burning yet)

      • Anonymous

        I’m game. Lets start by getting all their data gathered on one public site. The rest will roll by itself.

  • Gest

    What about trashing the houses of all these corporate terrorists and burns them to the ground now?

    This will eventually happen unless someone shoot them first.

  • sue the police

    At least we have sane laws in the UK. Police and Criminal Evidence act 1984 requires property to be stored safely and returned in the same condition.

    He can do one of two things
    - make a complaint to the IPCC
    - Get a civil solicitor to sue the police.

    I’ve had to do the first one myself before when the police returned property to me that was not in the same state that it was taken. I got reimbursed.

    So actually this could benefit the bittorrent admin in that he could end up with BRAND NEW equipment. (albeit at the taxpayer expense)

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Oh that’s ^ nice.
      I had a quick look at the Act to see if I could spot which section(s) may assist but it’s a big one and couldn’t see anything obvious.
      http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/60/contents

      The good news is Geeker has a lawyer on this aspect of this tragically continuing saga. And it looks as though the damage done was not only unnecessary but possibly even done out of spite in a fit of rage.

      I REALLY hope the culprits are hunted down and made to compensate in FULL these two innocent guys who were released from ALL charges as the criminal case against them was abandoned for being incompetent.

    • Whatever

      The bad thing here is that if the police has to pay for it, it comes out of the pockets of the tax payer instead of the FACT parasites.

      And no police officer or FACT parasite will ever have or get any personal resposibility, punishment, a fine, get fired or lose any sleep over it.

  • sue the police

    At least we have sane laws in the UK. Police and Criminal Evidence act 1984 requires property to be stored safely and returned in the same condition.

    He can do one of two things
    - make a complaint to the IPCC
    - Get a civil solicitor to sue the police.

    I’ve had to do the first one myself before when the police returned property to me that was not in the same state that it was taken. I got reimbursed.

    So actually this could benefit the bittorrent admin in that he could end up with BRAND NEW equipment. (albeit at the taxpayer expense)

  • Gest

    FACT must pay.

  • http://twitter.com/samplingerror ck

    sad day dude,
    that sucks all the ruined hardware, i would be so pissed

    • Anonymous

      Says more about the people from FACT than about the hardware. How did they get so damaged?

      • Ninja

        Looks like they stored the material in some lumber mill after a bumpy ride (transport). Nasty. I mean, I had some hardware poorly stored at home before I sent them to the trash and even with this they were like new near the state FACT returned his hardware. I can find equipment in better state in scrapyards rly.

  • Vikingleader9

    Isn’t it funny that these ass wipes put out shit movies then want you to pay 20 bucks and the movie totally stinks , So far all movies that come out are bad remakes or just pure shit…Whats up with that..

  • schoschie

    This makes me sick. I hope those guys get sued out of their jobs.

    • Donotreply

      Same here, though most likely their buddies higher up would ensure they get nothing more than a sla on the wrist, all funded by UK tax payers (that would really piss me off big time and I certainly would attend the court audience in person were I a UK citizen).

      • Donotreply

        TYPO: ‘sla’ should be ‘slap’ =X

  • Anonymous

    FACT apparently likes to trash the hardware so it takes lots of money to get the admin going again. But still, it’s shitty to make people unable to do things like Facebook or something…
    where’s the donate button?

    • Ninja

      Isn’t it the main tactic MAFIAA uses? Sufocate their prey financially to the point they have to ask for food on the streets? Has happened before with moms, teens, grandparents and printers.

  • SteRipper

    That is so gross – It’s a total abuse of power.

  • Haxor

    sue them civilly go for some pain and suffering too

    • Anonymous

      Pain & suffering. You mean at the raid itself? The guy could have sued a lot earlier for that :’)

  • Anonymous

    Haha, he had an E-Machine!!! That was my first PC!
    A 4.3 GB HD with 64 MB of RAM. 333Mhz Processor. I think I still may have it somewhere…

  • http://twitter.com/zarathustra2k1 zar athustra

    Yup. He should get all the value of the hardware in cold, hard cash. The pigs kicked my door in, causing £500 worth of damage – & found nothing. After a coupla months they realised they had the wrong guy (ie no evidence to support their bungling efforts) & I received a tasty fat cheque from the Chief for £500. Repaired the door for £50 & had a little partay! ;)

    Good luck with the reimbursement, Geeker. And hold out for the FULL VALUE! =]

    • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

      So how is it £500 of damage if it only took you £50 to repair? You’re basically admitting that you used the system for personal gain.

      • DarknezzFallz

        The system didn’t correctly follow information and did not find anything incriminating meaning what they did was unconstitutional and compensation is needed for the damages caused during the raid.
        You don’t like how the system works… kill yourself.

      • Anonymous

        So how is it then, Jack, that if someone downloads something they wouldn’t have bought anyway you count it as a ‘lost sale’ and charge the full amount and also apply for “punitive damages”?

        Pot. Kettle. Black.

        • Nlnlsdc

          Flag this dick. that’s what I do

        • Anonymous

          Not me. I don’t think he should that he should be censored or silenced simply because I don’t agree with him.

          Isn’t freedom of speech one of the things we think are important and hold dear?

        • Anonymous

          Not me. I don’t think he should that he should be censored or silenced simply because I don’t agree with him.

          Isn’t freedom of speech one of the things we think are important and hold dear?

        • Anonymous

          You know what I find most amusing? Jack Murdock said what he did. You replied back in turn with something that is obviously true. And he doesn’t (and more than likely won’t) respond back at all. Why? Because what you said is true and he knows it.

          His silence is the same thing as an admission that you’re right. And you know he f*cking hates you for it. People like him hear you say that and they think, “You SOB, use logic against me will ya? I hope you choke on that witty reply!” It pisses them off to no end. And in that, we, cause I’m sure I’m not alone in feeling this, can all find some measure of amusement.

          I find nothing more fun than using someone’s own words against them. Just because it pisses them off. And you know you’ve done it right when they either stay quiet or respond with something along the lines of “f*ck you”.

        • Anonymous

          lol, of course :)

      • Ninja

        Because suing for $50+k per track is not using the system for personal gain.

      • Ninja

        Because suing for $50+k per track is not using the system for personal gain.

  • Ksbja

    Three words: sue, sue, sue!

  • Ksbja

    Three words: sue, sue, sue!

  • DocGerbil100

    For everyone wondering who was in charge of the seized items, the first link in this article is to TF’s article covering the original raid, which had this to say:
    “Upon leaving, Geeker was informed that in common with other cases in the UK such as that against TV Links, the private anti-piracy group FACT was in charge of his seized property, not the police.”

    I find it incredibly difficult to comment properly on the Filesoup case – I even had to give up trying to find a coherent way to congratulate the Filesoup Two on their exoneration (and while I am coherent: well done to them for enduring all this) – because every time I think about this, all I want to do is shout abuse after abuse at these monstrously gullible, stupid and uselessly incompetent police-officers.

    I mean, seriously, a copper in charge of investigating an alleged computer crime who doesn’t even know what a URL is??? How incredibly lazy does an officer have to be, to not even bother with the first most basic bit of research into the subject, but instead mindlessly accepts every single word fed to him by FACT, committing to raids, arrests and farcical attempts at interviews without the most basic informational tools needed to even understand the allegation? And just how monumentally stupid are the fuckwits that put this moronic thug in charge, a policeman who doesn’t know the first thing about his job on the day?

    See what I mean? I could go on like that for hours. Today’s article raises a new question: why in god’s name are the police allowing FACT to be any part of any chain of custody, much less act as sole-investigators on the case? They’re clearly impartial investigators in much the same way that Adolf Hitler had no particular views on Judaism. The state of the computers they’ve returned also makes it certain that they’re not fit to look after a used toilet brush, never mind prima facie evidence in a supposed criminal conspiracy case.

    I’m looking at that middle image. They’ve had plenty of time to put everything back together properly and clean it up – I can think of only one reason for not doing so: the act of having to reassemble and repair their own machines is intended as yet another form of abuse against their victims. Is that mud on the inside of that machine? Corrosion? I’m having a hard time visualising how any remotely suitable storage environment could produce that kind of damage. In any event, FACT clearly had no intention of returning the equipment in a safe and usable state, regardless of guilt or innocence.

    It occurs to me that FACT’s misbehaviour almost certainly constitutes a significant health & safety risk of electrocution, fire or explosion to any party receiving equipment in such a state – that’s a serious criminal offence and Geeker should report them.

    The SSRE’s independent research work (written up by TF a few days ago) says (amongst many other things) what many of us have been saying for a while now: that – as a worldwide strategy – anti-piracy campaign-groups misuse legal proceedings as mechanisms of abuse in and of themselves.

    This isn’t copyright-enforcement, this is weaponised copyright – and right here, irrefutable proof of weaponised police-raids, used as the means of intimidation and economic terrorism against the accused. There can be no clearer example of abuse of process and wasting police time – and no case of such more likely to be ignored by a police force keen to pretend it hasn’t totally failed in it’s most basic duty of honest and impartial conduct.

    • Anonymous

      FACT are given a voice in the UK justice system due to these aspects…

      They employ ex-Police officers to get buddy-buddy with existing Police officers and to worm their way in. FACT do represent some hugely rich organizations like Paramount and so seem to reflect their voice. They are brought in as “experts” even if that is very questionable. They use their success against valid people to make out they are doing a good job.

      FACT does need to follow certain rules. Only the Police can do a raid when granted a court order. The Police before this court order usually do a piss-poor investigation job and usually one plain clothed Police officer will visit you asking such and such. Technical incompetence plays a large part next which leads to the court order.

      One FACT member will accompany them on raids to be their expert. From my experience they do no such thing and usually just question you while the Police seize what they can.

      To the Police the real investigation begins when they have your stuff and they get to interview you. If they discover something that seems unlawful then you get arrested but if you can put up a good fight, like I once did, then you don’t even get arrested.

      What happens to your stuff next can only be explained if the Police are too busy with other matters and they just let FACT do it because they want to do it and it saves them the paperwork when sure enough FACT gets your stuff.

      FACT then does need some independent evidence which is why one of the first things to happen, within about the first month (which is fast for FACT), is for your HDDs to be cloned. They normally should supply the owner with a copy of his/her own HDDs here but as I am well aware they don’t always.

      The Police and justice system then see if there is enough evidence to bring a criminal court case which for copyright is Copyright Fraud In the case of FileSoup that answer was “no” when it seems they don’t trust FACT either.

      FACT has been known to take some independent cases to court but with a criminal trial ruled out then they would be desperate to go to civil court on subjects like copyright infringement. So when I heard that the justice system had ruled out a criminal case here then I knew it was only a matter of time before FileSoup got their stuff back.

      It seems FACT hit a new low concerning the handling of property. He is best off taking counter legal action through the police complaints service and seeing if FACT are into an out of court settlement before suing them for damages.

      • Anonymous

        “He is best off taking counter legal action through the police complaints service and seeing if FACT are into an out of court settlement before suing them for damages.”

        I kind of agree, but it would be useful to us all if it did go to court and Filesoup came out as the winners. That would set more of a precedent for the future than an out of court settlement.

      • Ninja

        Guilty until proven innocent. And since you were guilty in the first place it’s ok to destroy your property in the process of collecting evidence to prove their point.

        Sick, disgusting. That’s how I convince ppl to download, I just tell them what MAFIAA does.

      • Ninja

        Guilty until proven innocent. And since you were guilty in the first place it’s ok to destroy your property in the process of collecting evidence to prove their point.

        Sick, disgusting. That’s how I convince ppl to download, I just tell them what MAFIAA does.

  • Guest

    Oh no, his celeron emachines from 1994 are a little dirty! Better call up the New York Times for a cover story.

    • Ninja

      No such thing in 1994? And oh my what troll. I have a quite old case running a Phenon II.

    • Ninja

      No such thing in 1994? And oh my what troll. I have a quite old case running a Phenon II.

  • http://twitter.com/xRDVx xRDVx

    Wow. If that is how they returned it, he should sue them. It’s a good thing, however, that he is free.

  • I-Agree-Remove-Disqus

    WTF? How would they like it if I went around to their houses, raided them, stole their stuff, and trashed the place? Bastards.

    He definitely needs to take some sort of legal action… I would.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Boo hoo. Being as big as it was, I doubt the site was run for charity. There is little doubt that he was making a ton of money off advertising. I don’t think he will have any trouble paying for new stuff.

    • merethan

      Even if what you say is true, none of it is relevant.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

      If he has so much money, than why is he using machines from 2 decades ago?
      He runs a website, and therefore is a computer geek, and computer geeks like spending money on computers. Nuff said.

      • DarknezzFallz

        Your an ignorant moron… keep your trolling comments to yourself.
        If you don’t understand how things work then just keep your comments silently up your ass.

        • DocGerbil100

          Wrong reply button, I think. I do that, sometimes. :P

      • Anonymous

        Hardly 2 decades ago (trust me, systems from then are very different).
        However, I still have old machines I use, got a 1ghz athlon from 02, a dual p3-550 I built Jan 2000, a dell poweredge 1650 (2004), a celeron500 (1999), and even a Celeron333 (1998) in use around here. I’d still use my Dragon32 (1982) but i put it into storage in 2001 because I didn’t need to run it for my databases any more.

        Old systems rule. And it takes a special kind of geek to run them. I have modern systems as well (a q6600 desktop, and laptops with a QL-62 and a i3-380m) but theres nothing wrong with the old systems as well. Remember, while hardware has become faster, software tends to get slower (because coders can’t code), so they end up always running at the same effective speed.

        • Donotreply

          Agreed, and also there are times where older equipment can still be used for other things (I have a p3 I could turn into a basic web surfing box or use for older games when I get nostalgic and Win 7 doesn’t play nice =/ ).

          Other peeps use older gear for 24/7 web downloading boxes (power efficient builds) or NAS boxes (or go the whole hog and recycle the guts of something like a C2D, under clocked Quad/AMD equivalents and shove them into a file server build =P ) which could save a few $/pounds/etc on not having to buy new parts (and off set the power bill savings).

          Just 2 quick examples where older HW can still be used today (computers don’t all have to all be about FPS/benchmarks and video encoding). =/

        • Anonymous

          I still have a P-166 with 256 MB RAM running Linux which I use as a file server and audio player!

        • Ninja

          Agreed. I’m considering getting my old Athlon XP running again with Win XP so I can run older stuff properly. But then again we are all replying to a moronic troll who has no doubts Filesoup was all about money as all filthy pirates are. At least we had a good discussion about old stuff ;)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704146824 Anonymous

        People like keeping old systems, preserving old systems.

    • DarknezzFallz

      if you truelly feel that way then perhaps we the people should come over to your house place you under arrest for a charge that will not stick and trash your house and computers… then when you are released return your stuff completely trashed as his stuff was…
      Lets see how you feel after…
      Breaking the law like these guys did has nothing to do with what he did with his systems…
      If the court of law released them on all charges then no crime was committed.
      Keep your trolling comments to yourself.

    • deddd

      So if I came into your house at night, “confiscated” your property and returned it smashed up the next day, you’d be OK with that because you will be able to buy it again? WTF is wrong with you?

    • Guest

      Because you have some kind of evidence he was making a ton of money off of advertising. Oh wait, you don’t.

      Hey everybody, there is little doubt that JACK MURDOCK IS A PEDOPHILE.

      Sure, I don’t have any evidence. But why do I need it if he doesn’t?

  • Brien

    lol what shit hardware. Buy a new PC.

  • http://twitter.com/mshenrick Mark Henrick

    why TF did he sign!

  • Anonymous

    My friend had a PC seized because they suspected him of DDOS attacking. They told him they would return it within X amount of time. They didn’t for longer than X and so he got over £2k in compensation. I suggest you file a complaint.

  • DanielRemains

    It’s all about sueing these days.. SUE!

  • https://thepiratebay.org/user/man-o-tor/ manOtor

    Please keep us updated, Ernesto, about what happens next – I’m really interested in what options he actually does have according to his lawyer…

  • Foff

    I am sure the pig fuckers at Fact had a destroy filesoup equipment party and from the looks of things they did a good job.

  • Slatts

    This trashing of “evidence” is normal and has been going on for decades. Right back in the sixties they would take stuff and break, damage or “loose” it or even claim they didn’t take it in the first place. I remember them taking a whole box of rolling papers, when they were returned they had been dipped in water so they were all stuck together. I saw then deliberately break an antique Chinese pipe “accidently” but as I saw it they did it for “Fun”. Complaints will get you nowhere you will just be harassed the more.

  • Als_sdsttt

    I would gladly GIVE those computers away. What trash!

  • Anonymous

    This is no surprise to me at all when I use the name Violated when I was once violated by FACT. Make no mistake these are the attack dogs of copyright. Their only goal is to cause maximum damage by any legal means possible that they could get away with.

    Clearly they failed to harm him by more conventional means and so took it out on his poor computers. FACT would no doubt either say they were like that when they got them, he did it himself when they came back, or it was an accident.

    Not getting all items back is no surprise to me when FACT still have two items that belong to me that never came back.

    I should also add that the Police have to provide a list of all items that have been seized but they usually got one woman to do this who has no idea what the items are. So they make a mystery list of items that are a mystery to her that she tries to guess what they are. It takes some work to work out what these items actually are.

    The expects of FACT cant do much better. Plenty of those stories one day.

    • Violator

      I’d change my name to Violator and then I’d violate them. I mean, their property.

    • Violator

      I’d change my name to Violator and then I’d violate them. I mean, their property.

  • Nobody

    The problem with this kind of news story is that we’re geeks. We know how the internet works, we know how computers work, we know why stories like this should be big, fucking deals. They show that not only are parts of our governments so far behind the times that they’ll, for instance, shut down sites based on hearsay based on faulty logic, but that they’ll do so illegally and pitch a hissy fit when they’re called on it. In order for that to be news, though, it needs to either serve the sponsors or be palatable to the public. And the sad thing is, these agents who don’t know how the internet works are pretty close to that audience. Incidents like these need to either happen to large groups or be truly, unabashedly and *simply* terrible, or else they won’t get coverage.

    /extremely amateur political theorist.

    • Anonymous

      The problem with people like you is you actually think you are smarter in ANY way than the average person. And you think that anything done on the internet should be free of laws. And that makes you the biggest fucking idiot on the planet.

      Just remember this until the day you die. You are not superior or even equal to ANYONE else on the planet. You are very, very inferior. Just like your mommy told you all while growing up.

      • Scum of the Earth

        Good one laka wak. Only, by saying that you have become the very thing you’re belittling, you knob.

      • Guest

        Oh my. Reasoned Mind/neostyles is back, he’s hiding behind one of his alt screen names, and he’s PISSED.

        Too bad nothing in your rant even addresses anything Nobody said, let alone refutes it, but that’s just business as usual for a MAFIAA troll. No surprises there.

        There’s some evidence suggesting you were involved either directly or indirectly with ACS-Law’s extortion scam, so I’m kind of wondering… Are you even employed right now? Or are you making vigilante troll posts from some internet cafe somewhere because your mind is becoming unglued?

        • DocGerbil100

          He’s not MAFIAA, I think – just a random, wandering troll. His Disqus Profile shows he’s using loads of largely unrelated tech sites – and his Activity tab shows he’s abusive to everyone on all of them, especially towards bloggers, for some reason. He’s a complete loony, I think. :P

        • Guest

          Nah, he’s no random troll. He’s definitely RM/neo. “lakawak” was one of his alts shortly before ACS:Law totally imploded. Besides, looking at the rest of his comments there’s no doubt it’s the old motherfucker. Same kind of insults(“cry to your mommy”, everybody he’s flaming is a stupid child, etc. etc.), same rabid dick-sucking of authority, same blaming the victim, same random shilling for Microsoft, hell, same personality.

          You might be right about him not officially being a MAFIAA toady anymore though, if his MAFIAA employers perished in the Great UK Copyright Extortionist Karmic Retribution Purge. That’d explain why he’s super pissed off right now. And I assume his employers’ demise would break his fevered little rat-brain so that’d explain why he’s back trolling Torrentfreak, but now with 50% more crazy.

        • DocGerbil100

          Your comment made me LOL – thank you. :D
          You’re right about Lakawak being an old troll – there’s just enough left of Google’s caches of old pre-Disqus TF pages to show a few of his comments – the posting style and bitching at bloggers are identical. Oddly enough, a typical spam link from SpankyWanky appears right underneath one of them. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose. Still not convinced he’s MAFIAA, though. He seems to really, really hate bloggers of any persuasion or topic, which suggests to me something much more bizarrely personal – maybe his ex-boyfriend’s a blogger. :)

        • Guest

          Nah, he’s no random troll. He’s definitely RM/neo. “lakawak” was one of his alts shortly before ACS:Law totally imploded. Besides, looking at the rest of his comments there’s no doubt it’s the old motherfucker. Same kind of insults(“cry to your mommy”, everybody he’s flaming is a stupid child, etc. etc.), same rabid dick-sucking of authority, same blaming the victim, same random shilling for Microsoft, hell, same personality.

          You might be right about him not officially being a MAFIAA toady anymore though, if his MAFIAA employers perished in the Great UK Copyright Extortionist Karmic Retribution Purge. That’d explain why he’s super pissed off right now. And I assume his employers’ demise would break his fevered little rat-brain so that’d explain why he’s back trolling Torrentfreak, but now with 50% more crazy.

      • DocGerbil100

        TF, take a look at this guy’s Disqus profile – as far as I can tell, he’s got nothing to say to anyone on any site that doesn’t involve abuse. He’s more full of 100% pure troll than any poster I’ve ever seen! :D
        (Lakawak’s comment flagged for abuse.)

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      You may be a self-confessed amateur, but you’ve just highlighted why it’s sooooo important to write or email to your elected politician(s) to educate them as to how this attack on filesharing is wrong, a limitation of freedom and rights, and to ask they pass laws that specifically ALLOW non-commercial filesharing by individuals who share for no cash, no profit and no tangible gain.

      Your politicians really don’t know how this works, unless we tell them nicely, calmy and factually. We honestly need to educate them, then ask what we want them to do.

      If you don’t, then the copywrong cartel will get laws passed, then it’s too late for us – we can only fight back against what “they” did to us because we failed to tell our politicians NOW!!!

  • Hissy Fit

    Court, lawyer and other expenses would probably cost more than the hardware is worth. Sadly. It’s a FACT they’re sore losers.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Given the rates that even the cheapest lawyers charge, that would very likely be true – but that’s why we have a legal system that very often awards case costs against the losing party.

      So all is not yet lost HF and Filesoup/Geeker is already consulting with his lawyer on this.

  • Goober

    Next time, when they come into your home trying to steal your shit, shoot them in the face.

    • Anonymous

      Internet tough guy! Death row division.

      Of course, if this happened to you, you would literally piss your pants and cry to your mommy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704146824 Anonymous

        Internet jackass, first class?

    • Kdn

      In the US it’s legal to shoot at any stranger who enter his home compound. Is that true?

      • Scum of the Earth

        unless they declare themselves as law enforcement officers…. also may depend what state….

      • Anonymous

        Oops, accidentally clicked like instead of reply. Here’s a link to the wiki page. I know wikipedia isn’t exactly always 100% accurate, but for the most part it gives you a rough idea.

        Justifiable Homicide (which I believe shooting a stranger who enters your home would fall under, assuming you kill them and not just injure them)
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justifiable_homicide#United_States

  • Neotoasty

    Sounds like the soreness of losing was so bad, they had to try and get the last laugh somehow by doing this. They truly are the bullies of the world.

  • Qwe

    Since it was evidence and it was in their possession and it changed it is not right .
    Evidence it not suppose to change so tampering IMO (not a lawyer)
    google http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-evidence-tampering.htm

    • Anonymous

      You don’t have to explain that you are not a lawyer when your comment is so ignorant.

  • hikaricore

    A lot of people posting here seem to be unaware that you can put new hardware into an old case.. Just because they look ancient on the outside means god damn nothing. What a bunch of ignorant twats.

    • Anonymous

      Ignorance is saying “Well…it is POSSIBLE that they could have done this…therefore I claim it is definitely true that they did.”

      Anyone whose brain functions (as your s does not) would know that NO ONE would put new hardware into THAT case. It would be monumentally asinine to do that since it is clearly falling apart and a case is cheap.

      • Scum of the Earth

        unless you wanted to hide your cool shit from home invaders (the masked kind, not the kind with badges ;P ) remember kids, robbers like pretty things that look like they’re worth $$$ —- not shitboxes

    • Anonymous

      I expect what hikaricore means is that it is not uncommon for more skilled people to upgrade their own computers which can often make use of new hardware in an old favourite case.

      Seeing that FACT held on to these computers for over 18 months before he got them back then the hardware is reasonable.

      Cant say the rust is normal though. Such water damage can easily write off the computer as unsafe to use. It seems no surprise that all these computers fail to power up. Most unacceptable of all are his HDDs which FACT should have taken great care with being the core of their evidence.

  • Toddy

    Those who show no mercy shall receive none.

    Sue and humiliate the living shit out of them.

    • hikr

      eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise, fracture for fracture

  • Anonymous

    There has to be some kind of law against this. Dude should be compensated for his expenses and then some!

    anon-tools.es.tc

  • BogeyBear

    Go get compensation from lost hardware, time, torture etc. and plz tell us what happens and how they react when some one stand and wont take their shit…

    Maybe they search drugs and smuggled goods from computer, hhhmmm, yes maybe they think there is terrorist bomb device inside hardware and and…. arghhh. Just get compensation!!!!

  • Anonymous goat

    of course they wrecked it cause their sore losers and couldn’t find anything (or maybe their just too computer illiterate to figure it out), should of gone to the place where they stashed it with a shotgun and barged in with a mob to get it back (like adamas march to cic when they retake galactica) put a gun to the guys head who runs this stupid place.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe it is because I actually HAVE a brain, unlike anyone that works are torrentfreak (I don’t use the word writers for people who live on welfare while writing blogs) but I would like to see before pictures, seeing as how that equipment is obviously well over a decade old.

    • Guest

      Your point is what, fuckstick?

      “FACT’s illegal search and seizure of a private citizen’s property, based on charges he was found innocent of, and subsequent trashing of it is clearly okay, because the property seems to be over a decade old.”

      Hey lakawak, troll much?

      • Scum of the Earth

        Quick son, bring me my FIRE….

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      What you’d like will differ greatly from what you get, depending upon your attitude to the filesharing community.

      Based on your above comment, I can guarantee you’re not going to like very much of what you get here at TF “my friend”.

    • Anon

      Well if its true that its over a decade old.. These boys are in luck.. It will all have to be replaced with new stuff. Happy days.. That old 386 CPU might just magically turn into a nice I7 :-D

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  • Whermn

    A typical example of how police handle hardware, especially those in cahoots with FACT.

    • Nightspydk

      What the heck is wrong with old stuff as long as it serves a purpose?

      Any way those pictures bring a tear to my eyes, knowing how i nurture my own stuff, that would have been devastating to me.

      I so hope they get a solid thrashing or something those bastards. :( :(

  • TerribleTony

    Well, I certainly wouldn’t trust that hardware. Once it is out of your possession your security is breached. Better to throw it all away and buy new kit.

  • Guilty

    The victim always loses, when in a fight against the state. The state has unlimited resources to beat you down and tie you up. It does not matter if they violated your rights, the law, the Constitiution, etc. They will make your life so miserable, in the end you will have lost, no matter if you are innocent.

    Look to the USA, for example. Your only recourse is the court system. Its not free, and and not easy. Often the Government enacts laws that violate the law of the land, the Constitution, knowing that it will take years and millions of dollars to fight it. Who has the money or the time to fight it?
    The only difference between the US and a Monarchy is the amount of time it may take to be able to prove your case of innocence. Or you are alive to prove your case.

    The cops will trash and destroy personal property as damage inflicted in the course of the investigation. You are a criminal worm and have no rights. This is the mindset when executing a search warrant.

  • DocGerbil100

    Almost everyone here is suggesting that Geeker should sue the police and/or FACT. I tend to agree, if he’s prepared for the potential harassment he may get from the local plod if he does have a go at them.

    I think, however, that a complaint made to the Health & Safety Executive – of supplying dangerous equipment to a member of the public – may be far more productive: a lawsuit will most likely result in a few people at one branch of FACT having to take the time to respond, some minor legal costs and a small settlement or fine from the court.

    A HSA complaint, on the other hand, could – in best case – trigger a full root and branch investigation across all of FACT’s electronic storage facilities across England and Wales, the closure (and necessary replacement) of facilities deemed unsafe, court attendances for their senior executives, substantial losses in operational capacity and productivity while all of this is going on and potential fines running into hundreds of thousands of pounds.

    In very best case, if a FACT employee admits that returning dangerously damaged equipment is actually a FACT standard policy, their appointed Health & Safety Officers could conceivably go to jail.

    That seems like a much bigger win for far less effort. :)

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Yes! Good idea DocG.

      I just hope the Geeker gets proper advice from his lawyer on the various options he has open to him to pursue a legal remedy across the gamut of all laws and avenues applicable to these circumstances.

      So far we have the possibility of -
      1. Making a formal complaint to either his local Police force or a neighbouring one;
      2. Making a formal complaint to the Independent Police Complaints Commission;
      3. Making a complaint to the Health & Safety Executive; and/or,
      4. Pursuing a private claim for damages and compensation from F.A.C.T. ( the Federation Against Copywrong Trolls) (sic).

      What disappoints me most is the few comments here in TF from genuinely insensitive, uncaring people who have no empathy whatsoever for the very real tragedy that struck these two guys in 2009.
      We expect a few stupid comments from the copywrong trolls, but some of these nasties appear to come from our fellow filesharers and it’s not funny or clever.

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  • AnarchyNow

    What did you expect? That’s what the police state do all the time.
    Property is theft, intellectual property is genocide!

    • Anonymous

      I’ll be round in ten minutes to relieve you of your computer then.

  • rootkits?

    My first concern would be for the systems themselves.

    You may consider this as scaremongering but it was only a short time ago that HBGary emails showed that systems can have backdoors inserted into them in a matter of seconds.

    With so many vectors available for exploitation including retasked chips on the motherboard I would no longer consider these machines safe in any definition of the word.

    Donate the PCs to some third world charity (such as the RIAA) and get new ones.

    You have photographic evidence of the state they came back in should you wish to proceed with a claim.

    Get a report from a computer repair centre listing the condition the systems are in for your records too, all evidence is good evidence. Unless you make it up.

    Oh sorry, you’re not Big Business, the last sentence does not apply.

  • sexyGeek

    Next time put a bomb in your pc.

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  • Nonof

    The Filesoup guys must be painfully aware that this is war, and when your computers are turned over to enemy hands, don’t expect any resemblance of fair or ethical treatment. You’re dealing with the Devil.

    For an even worse example of getting back abused electronics after a “police action” read Ha’aretz journalist Amira Hass’s report “Someone even managed to defecate into the photocopier”

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/hass.html

  • detriech69

    Big Govt and Powerful Law Enforcement are staples of Fascism in the making. Checks and balances must be in place and carefully followed by all. Leaders must not be allowed impunity to rape and pillage the poor and average, and then lock them up and trash their belongings. Lawsuits should be brought against such evil deeds and the oppressed, should have equally loud voices, to report misdeeds. Like Digg.com.

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  • Guest

    “The victim always loses, when in a fight against the state.”

    Unless you get ride of all these gov/corporate parasites once and for all.

  • Guest

    “The victim always loses, when in a fight against the state.”

    Unless you get ride of all these gov/corporate parasites once and for all.

  • Jill

    lakawak comments have been generated using the fake online personality HB gary software. Notice that they are meaningless.

    Please ignore them all.

  • Jill

    lakawak comments have been generated using the fake online personality HB gary software. Notice that they are meaningless.

    Please ignore them all.

  • Goldorak

    “A lot of people posting here seem to be unaware that you can put new hardware into an old case.”

    This is exactly what I am doing upgrade my old system.

    One of my system has a quad core phenom and a 2gb seagate HD in a box that use to have an 386 mother board initially. Oh yes the Power supply was replaced too and there is nothing left of the old system save for the case. Still a very good case by the way with ton of space and great ventilation. Why should I trow this away?

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  • Vigilante

    The moral of the story here seems to be that vigilantism is perfectly alright when you don’t get your way using legitimate means. Thank you FACT and the police involved for showing the public this.

  • Freehuno

    This is why everyone need to use a VPN monitor like VPNCheck. http://www.guavi.com/vpncheck_free.html

  • Anon

    Cops are pigs, it’s a known fact.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Bloodyscott/100000019345239 Michael Bloodyscott

    Have an independent company reinstall and get equipment running back to same level as before then you can show a court the damages per outside company needed to make you whole again. It some places you can force the police to have equipment reinstall in working order but a court order is needed in most cases.

  • Commonbloodysense

    At first i looked at the computers and got pissed off at the cops.
    Then i looked at what’s to be seen of the authors home in the pictures and realised that the house looked just as shitty as the computers. Realising that Geeker is pretty much living in a dumpster led me to my current conclusion: The cops seized 2 computers from the late 90ies, they looked like shit when they seized them. They returned them in exactly the same awful condition. Geeker is pissed of because they seized them and wants to get back at them. The End.

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  • h33t

    this has to be significant because FACT was in custody of official court evidence

    this looks like destruction of criminal evidence (regardless of how the trial went). was the evidence destroyed before the court acquitted the filesoup 2? is this the real reason that the case was dropped because the Crown found no evidence and to hide the gravity of their wrongdoing they trashed the evidence?

    was the evidence trashed to hinder a counter case against FACT?

    whatever the answer, this is as serious as it gets and FACT acting as a quasi-legal authority who took charge of criminal evidence has just shot themselves in the head. is this the actions of a police authority entrusted to safely and securely guard the veracity of criminal evidence? Steve please go to town and throw the book at them. you have the support of us all and the world is watching

    permit me one ebullience, after this NO POLICE in the UK will permit FACT to keep evidence!

  • Lostinlodos

    He has the legal right to file a case for damages, theft, vandalism; among other thins.

  • Anonymous

    That sucks. I’m sure there will be plenty more gifts to discover. Due to sheer incompetence they usually infect any storage device with every virus known to exist and more.

  • Asdkasdioh

    This kind of shit pisses me off! Fucking PIGS do what they want.

  • bigbox30

    the cop sounds a lot like Lee Mack

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  • http://www.facebook.com/andys184 Andy Symonette

    How stupid everyone pirates It’s like dea dealing with junkies with their never ending raids it’ll never end just like the religious war we started. US only wants control power and Oil.

  • http://www.facebook.com/insane.subro Subro Dey

    Certainly we’ll spread the word!!

  • Fake

    As long as police can pay fines with taxpayer money they will continue to commit crimes.

    Officers found guilty of damaging personal property should be forced to pay restitution out of their own personal assets. Their wages should be garnished.

  • danceswithbongs

    I believe there is enough to take legal actions against the departments and or agencies involved.
    This is not a movie and so we live in a world governed by laws.
    One is presumption of innocence, so in handling an innocent persons items, they should be handled in a manner that they will be returned to the presumed innocent person in perfect condition as why should an innocent persons items be destroyed or major time messed up including not even returned.
    Who polices the police? We the people, and the right to redress of grievances is one way.
    I imagine this will never even make it to a court room as the police and other agencies like to avoid any bad press and keep out of the courts where everything is recorded and the only way to not answer questions is pleading the 5th, which would be a direct tip that what was done was in fact illegal.
    We are protected in regarding our person as well as property from illegal search and seizure. The search and seizure were not illegal but what was done after which is a continuation. There are rules regarding the chain of custody of the evidence and its handling. The chain of custody requires that from the moment the evidence is collected, every transfer of evidence from person to person be documented and that it be provable that nobody else could have accessed that evidence. It is best to keep the number of transfers as low as possible.
    No one is above the law…except maybe the Tea Party, due to ignorance of the law and the U.S. Constitution.

    from the law offices of danceswithbongs

  • KoolbigKat

    Dear Geeker, send them a bill for the damaged parts and for work done/lost on the trashed systems. Threaten them with destruction of private property. Of course, bill them for the replacement of said items with top notch replacements. If they argue the bill, go to court to have the systems returned as was, not as is.

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  • Wake up World

    Personally with all the crap that has been going down with these FACT people it is obvious that every case has been an outright injustice. These people have proven that it’s not justice that they truly seek as much as just attacking the people they feel that they can push around to try to get people to follow what they say. Typical schoolyard bullying technique, take out some small guys, befriend the some big guys and suddenly you are to be feared. Thank goodness it hasn’t worked in these cases.

    How many people have been pulling up shop and generally being afraid of prosecution for the last 2 or so years though. So it has worked in their favour up until now. Now though the backlash of people learning to work more anonymously. Nothing like creating havoc in trying to prosecute the real crime people. They inadvertently created a world where the small people have worked together to help hide the worst people. Next step will be making illegal such anonymity programs and sites, which will only affect the small time people and not the big bad ones that have the resources and people to better work this stuff than the majority. It will go like most of the other illegal trades with the constant busting of little people in the false hope of nailing the big ones that use the little ones as cannon fodder.

    In the end of the matter though really how much has industry suffered till now? Look at how much the film and music industry make today even will all this small time stuff that had been going on. Now though I would bet that the bigger crime people might have more interest then before with small people being more afraid therefore making less of them try their hand in things and therefore making it more lucrative to the real crime buffs. Once they get themselves involved it will turn out bad for everyone, except the big wigs that make good anyways. Oh they won’t get the 5 Billion they wanted this year, they’ll only make 3 billion instead! Poor them.

    Now as to the people that have had to suffer these ordeals, well first they would probably have to prove what harm had been done to them and file a civil suit against the parties involved. First would be these FACT people that didn’t actually worry about actual facts or who was actually committing real crime. The other would be the authorities that follow on FACTs coat tail in all of this. Really there should be a case of liability here for more than just physical damages, What have these people suffered in all of this? If there was any real attempt at proper justice I could maybe think that these people were just doing their jobs and made an error but the way it has all gone down shows that it wasn’t that and a huge injustice was perpetuated and therefore compensation aught to be made to this regard if nothing else.

    Goes without saying though that this is happening in all of the “freedom and justice” countries. Most notable about it all is that it is all Corporate driven and the laws have been bent over and over in these doings with nothing been done to the people that have caused these travesties of injustice. The US government has been tooting it’s horn about how they are saving the world world in all these conflicts they have been involved in and yet they are the biggest culprits in their ICE program run out of Homeland Security. Somehow this is all to reminiscent of the Crusades where they were supposed to be saving the world too but the whole thing was a strong arm tactic by the powers of the time to take over places of interest to them. In it all the travesties, horrors, and injustice that was done in the name of saving souls was and is still mind boggling. Don’t get me wrong they weren’t ever the only culprit there has been such all over the world throughout time. It is just one example of which alot of people know of. People have to start waking up to how the powers drive these thing under cloaks of saving people/the world from the bad people. This is only one of many such happenings and it isn’t limited to just the war on “copyright infringement.”

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