Popular Torrents Start to Disappear From Mininova
Written by Ernesto on May 11, 2009Those hunting for the latest episodes of Lost, Heroes and Prison Break on Mininova may have already noticed that they are hard to find. With the recently implemented copyright filter, many of the popular TV-show releases and blockbuster movies have been removed and put on a ban list.
A few days ago the owners of BitTorrent’s largest torrent indexer announced that they would start experimenting with a new content removal tool that enables copyright holders to easily remove and ban torrents from the site. The system seems to be pretty effective, as searches for TV-shows such as Lost, Heroes and Prison Break only return a handful of results, and not even those you’d expect.
Mininova lost most Prison Break torrents
Those who try to upload a ‘possibly infringing’ torrent to Mininova get the following message; “Your torrent has been uploaded successfully. It will not appear immediately on the site, as the content will be downloaded first by a third party to check for infringing content. If the content is found to be non-infringing, the torrent will be posted on the site right away.”
Mininova has announced that they are currently testing the removal system with only a few titles, among these are most of the torrents uploaded by the popular scene and release groups. It looks like the removal system checks the info hashes to see if the torrents are on the ban list. If this is indeed the case, the easiest way to get around the filter would be to modify the torrent by adding a small file to the original release and create a new torrent. This new torrent will have an unique info hash and will be accepted by Mininova, until it is blacklisted of course.
This could be the death of scene releases and torrents from popular release groups, since these will be the prime targets of the copyright holders simply because they are downloaded more often than others. This will mean that more exotic and home brewed torrents could remain on Mininova, and will likely be incompatible with the popular releases offered elsewhere, resulting in smaller swarm sizes for Mininova users.
One of the TV release groups that has seen most of its torrents banned from Mininova is EZTV. However, NovaKing, one of the admins at EZTV, is sympathetic towards Mininova, despite the filter. “I can understand why Mininova is going down this path. It is wiser for them to push the initiative and show the content distributors that they are not the bad guys instead of being forced by a judge to more than likely do the same thing in their upcoming court case,” he told us.
“We are not sure how much this affects the TV shows that we release as the filter has only been in effect for a short period of time. But to cater for the users out there that do not know we actually have our own website and only get their shows via Mininova, we have changed how we post our torrents to Mininova,” NovaKing added.
Since Mininova’s content removal tool checks for the info hash of the torrent, they circumvent the system by linking to the ‘infringing’ torrents indirectly. “Now when you see a show from us it will contain a text file which contains a link to a valid torrent file, this will keep us from being filtered as the torrent we post does not contain any copyrighted content.” Of course, the latest torrents and news about EZTV are also posted on Twitter, EZTV’s own website and on many other torrent sites.
Only time will tell how effective the removal system will be, and whether the Mininova team will continue to use it in the future. It is likely that it is a compromise that they were forced to make, as a sign of goodwill towards the copyright holders who they are set to face in court next week. If successful, this test case might be used to pressure other torrent site owners to do the same. We hope, however, that the copyright holders will invest their time and money in serving their customers instead. Opening Hulu up to everyone outside the US might be a good start. Or they perhaps they could license content to Mininova.
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180 Responses
BOOOOOO!
EZTV is the best TV show uploader around… I get all of my TV shows from them, using automated RSS torrents.
RIP Mininova, I won’t be going back there until the filters are gone. I’m glad there are still trackers around dedicated to fighting this BS.
Like why I’ve had issues finding some music on mininova
Man, that sucks
Lost R.I.P.
If they keep this, I’ll definitely stop using the site. I may have to look around to find a new ‘home’, but that doesn’t bother me.
Bye mininova.
I never saw this coming, mininova’s going down.
I haven’t bothered with Mininova for a long time. Too many ads that have viruses in them.
Bye mininova, seems its back to the pirate bay.
Bye mininova, all to the pirate ship :P
feel free to use my site http://www.HappyTrackIt.com
What about the extremely unlikely, but still slightly possible chance of hash collisions?
Also, why does a third party need to d/l for verification? Can’t Mininova just compare the media files of a torrent against a hash table that can be updated by various companies that are banning certain torrents?
Now I would like a tool to load the TXT file contained link from EZTV automaticly in Utorrent.
And Mininova’s popularity starts to disappear.
hmm… well… lets just say mininova WAS my no.1 public torrent site to find stuff on… sorry guys.
Mininova –> fail
goodbye Mininova, you will be missed
TPS ftw
http://www.thepiratesociety.org
Mininova is being quite wise, and seeing much farther out ahead than those of you who don’t think as deeply and disdain them. They’ll survive, and they’ll step into legal revenue streams eventually, too, partnering with product suppliers.
Anyone here who thinks that the industries who bring us the internet and the governments who regulate it will stand idly by while chaos and illegal behavior of all kinds continues unabated, isn’t really thinking about this at all. But clearly, Mininova is planning for their future, and more will support them than eventually leave.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fbi-going-dark-with-new-advanced-surveillance-program/
This is just the beginning, and Mininova sees it.
mini who?
oh you must be referring to the mpaa’s bitch.. yeah forgot all about them..
I’ll start caring when Mininova has their own tracker.
Simply use other sites such as btjunkie
i understand your position mininova
but dam your drilling holes in your own boat, we know that the corporations are not going to serve their customers the way we want
rip mininova
What’s the big deal about downloading TV shows that are free to watch in the first place? It’s not like Dexter or Soprano’s or some other cable show where viewers have to subscribe to watch. I don’t see what the problem is.
Mininova RIP, gonna stick with TPB and TorrentZ.
Its sad but i told you so.
Bye mininova.
Hello isoHunt.
This is great on two fronts. Firstly good it could lead to a great push towards original and innovative content, being published via torrents.
Secondly, it means that scene releases are no longer being distributed on an open P2P network, which is fantastic, keeping the scene real, how it should be ;)
RIP mininova. Reticulous that a third party would have the power to ‘validate’ my upload.
@20
Yeh… I hate torrent sites that make money from adverts but don’t have the decency to set up a tracker… its like making money someone elses service…
hang on thats kinda like what all ad supported torrent sites do… making money from someone elses products.
To be fair its not for us to judge… if it was your neck on the line in a massive legal battle that could last years, would you stand up to them when there is an alternative option in legal content distrubution?
Set your sails for btjunkie mates!
letting the man push mininova around sets a dangerous tone. They are merely indexing torrents.
If they lose in court, this will be the case that ends torrent sites. When you can no longer merely index .torrent files, no one in their right mind will run a torrent site.
Torrents will live on, but the days of big trackers and indexing sites will be over.
“Secondly, it means that scene releases are no longer being distributed on an open P2P network, which is fantastic, keeping the scene real, how it should be ;)”
you are clearly uninformed if you think mininova is the only, or even main, source of scene material. That’s pure fantasy and i feel bad for you.
@29 If I was running a site like mininova indexing torrents I’d win in court without a lawyer. I have a strong understanding of the technology, and have the ability to relay that to the judges, jury, whomever.
Mininova isn’t the piratebay, this is a whole different ball game, but we should have know when this started with torrentspy and isohunt.
Time to go back into the shadows my friends, too many noobs got wind, and it became too easy, this is why they are cracking down. They known piracy is unavoidable, but when anybody can spend 5 minutes and find out how to get this stuff, it’s too much and needs to be stopped.
The next phase will be filtering content at the isp level.
I don’t believe Mininova will remain in the top 3 for much longer after this implementation.
Bye Bye Mininova never liked you to begin with!
@mininova … i never really liked you anyway :) bye
“The next phase will be filtering content at the isp level.”
Discussions are well underway. In some cases, temporary testing has already begun. It remains to be seen how the ISP’s are compensated for this extra task, likely to be passed along to subscribers at extra charges, same as the costs of shoplifting are added to our purchases. “We” are doing the infringing so “we” are going to bear the costs to curtail it.
As for the FUD here, there is no more uncertainty to the legal path forward and no doubt the network will grow as tight as it must to marginalize illegal behavior. As for fear, if you are doing something online that places you at risk and you fear discovery, you can change the way you use the network and eliminate the reason for fear. VPN’s and encryption will eventually be licensed and lost to the average user. But law abiding citizens don’t fear. Respect the laws (or change them legally) and you don’t have to fear, either.
why people dont go underground with ddl hosters, usenet, and private trackers is beyond me.
there is a lot of hassle involved in takin sum1 to court.
more hassle still if that person is hidden in bnc’s proxys usin fake whois details.
the seedboxes grow in number and power.
the files are encrypted in transmission, and only those not capable of running/hiding well are caught by the predators.
mininova sucks the balls of dan glickman comin soon!
roger pedacter didnt commit suicide, HE HE HE HEE-E-E-E-E-E–E- WAS MURDERED! :O
Torrentfreak is the ‘news’ site for public tracker kids, moderated to complete blandness, scared of even hosting a torrent file, for all their political ramblings.
I would be ashamed to work for TF
{mods note} posting quickly, using different names (like logician and roger, see above), tends to set off the spam-guard, where it’s held for moderation. BJ
uhmm… scene groups don’t upload torrents, neither do real ’sceners’.
$100 says Mininova is getting paid huge sums to do this… It makes absolutely no sense to implement this system unless they are getting paid. Not to mention the costs involved with developing the software for this, I certainly wouldn’t have done it for free.
Good riddance though, torrents are for looosers!
TF says something about not tolerating trolls… so why is Reasoned Mind still here?
like iv said before.
Mininova doesn’t track torrents any way so fuck em. They make a fortune off the backs of sites like the pirate bay who actually track torrents.
Mininova was fine back before its days of being a profitable business…
MONEY CORRUPTS
Tv shows is all about commercials right? why not just use ad placement in the actual show and let people file share the heck out it.
they’d have to make sure the deals for international brands though.. but still it shouldn’t be to hard for the special effects guys to just replace the billboards and or sides of some vans with ads they’re getting paid for.
and then just base the ads price on the amount of screen time, placement and the amount of downloads of a show.
so you can get money from normal tv commercial blocks and downloads which skip the commercial blocks.
sure you’d get less money from the downloads per download.. but there’s generally quite a lot of downloads.
if they do it like this I wouldn’t be surprised if they even track and seed the shows themselves, that way they have more reliable download stats and stuff.
(they actually do something similar to this in some free video games. the billboards from trackmania nations (and trackmania nations forever) for instance)
also.. am I making any sense right now, cause I’m rather sleepy.
“among these are most of the torrents uploaded by the popular scene and release groups”
pmsl, where the hell do you get your researchers??
It was only last week i listened to the TF TV episode on here talking about a “new” type of pirate release and TF wondered why it has never been thought of before…a TELESYNC?? lmao
a) Scene grps (real scene groups) have absolutley nothing to do with uploading releases to bittorrent sites, scene releases are only ever intended for scene FTP sites end of!
b) TELESYNC’s have been around for YEARS!!!..epic fail on that one TF!
torrent is dying…
#1 Thanks for the info
ya idiot
It’s not really possible to be mad at them. It’s unfortunate, though.
I cut my teeth on public trackers and I hate to see them going thru this stuff. I understand why they are doing what they are doing tho.
Thankfully this stuff hasn’t spread to the private sites yet.
@37 I agree
honestly don’t see the problem with downloading TV shows.
It generates a fan base.
Not everyone is able to watch the show when it airs.
I would have never watched Lost if I didn’t download the first couple of seasons. I know other people that never watched it until they got caught up on the episodes.
But now Im a fan and watch it every week… thanks to downloading
Why is that so hard to understand.
I think that TV studios should start offering torrents on their web sites and add in commercials. That’s not a bad idea. Everyone wins. The fans get to see their shows and the studios get their ad revenue.
How do you think we can get that started? By sending emails to the studios expressing your thoughts.
If the studios believe they will increase their fans and still keep the profit, they may consider it.
I suggest everyone emails your favorite shows.
@l33t – reasoned mind is not a troll. Certainly he has a contrary view sometimes, but that’s NOT trolling. To be honest, I find Reasoned’s posts preferable to the majority of those here, because at least he puts some thought into it, and gives me something to think about. Intelligent discourse is not trolling. The day we only allow sycophantic comments, is the day the site dies.
Maybe ben jones is also reasoned mind trying to ballance the force. he he he
Use the force BEN dont move to the darkside. Dont follow in darth vaders footsteps.
Mininova is now the RIAA/MPAA’s little butt bitch.
Good for them. I hope they sell their web site to them and are enjoying being anally raped in the meantime.
The RIAA/MPAA are eventually going to drive everyone to encryption and VPN. This is obviously the next step in P2P evolution.
RIAA/MPAA/IFPI, get it through your thick skulls. No one enjoys being controlled, exploited and manipulated. You should listen to those that you are trying to make money from instead of driving them away and further underground to where you know you can never find them.
It was pretty obvious things would start to get worse over at Mininova after they took onboard the MPAA’s content filtering system, with them in charge of it.
As soon as more copyright holder get wind that the MPAA are the ones with the power to get stuff removed from their site, this opens the door for the MPAA to get more customers onboard who want their service to get their stuff removed from Mininova. And you can bet the MPAA are charding a service fee for for doing it for them.
This makes me wonder if Mininova are also getting a slice of this money the MPAA will make now from money the MPAA will be charging there customers for content removal.
i think everyone should stop going to the movies,buying movie dvds. buying music cds, and anything else the law suit happy people are putting out. then they will know the real cash crunch they are claiming to be in.
@48 I suggest everyone email their favorite troll, Reasoned Mind and tell him to F off.
I feel that Mininova will just fade away into the sunset. Never to be heard of again.
Goodbye Mininova. You were once popular.
they play the songs so many times on the radio, we get sick of hearing them, you get to see the movie trailers 5 times an evening with only the good parts of the movie, anyways when you go see the movie its a let down cause you have seen everything good in the previews. i would not pay more than $1.00 to see a new movie. they will not get one more dime from me. everyone please pass the message along that we are not gonna be legally robbed any longer. keep your trash off my screen and off my stereo RIAA/MPAA/IFPI!
Mininova was just an indexer like Google and not a tracker.
Deleted from my bookmarks and blacklisted.
… and nothing of value was lost.
lol how does anyone know if its really reasoned mind since there is no way of validating his identity.
No wait, Changed my mind.
This is a bullshit business tactic. The same that Napster used. Build your massive audience and customer base through questionable content. Once you have that massive audience, suddenly bow to copyright holders and strip the value of your real services so you can “sell the eyeballs” to a “legitimate” service. Or just sell your business to some corporate entity who wants your infrastructure and audience.
It’s little different from opening a car sales lot and deciding that you can’t compete with legitimate sellers, so you’re going to go steel cars from the lot down the street. Park them on your lot. Sell them. Once you get enough business, you sell your car lot to a big timer OR you just go legit.
But the fact that you try to go legit now does NOT change the fact that you built it on the back of shady practices.
And if you didn’t, then why are you changing them now?
Time for me to move on to something better than mininova. I’m not helping another napster sellout.
Earlier this year, the UK’s Intellectual Property minister, David Lammy, said: “We can’t have a system where we’re talking about arresting teenagers in their bedrooms.”
It reports that in 2007 an estimated 98 million illegal downloads of films and more than a billion illegal downloads of music tracks took place in the UK. It says more than six million people in the country regularly file-share copyright content without permission.
The previous tactic of pursuing individual file-sharers in the courts appear to have been abandoned.
“Suggestions for rights-owners to take many thousands of legal actions seeking damages against individual file-sharers in court are neither practicable nor proportionate and would create a drain on public resources,” the joint statement reads.
It’s too bad that the folks running Mininova would rather run their site as a gutted corpse rather than put up any fight whatsoever.
they index torrents. Torrents can be anything. A picture of your grandma or a copy of the latest hollywood blockbuster.
Oh lookie! The season finale of House m.d. has finished downloading!
Seeding.
Really don’t wanna say anything.
Just keep seeding,forever.
unless they find a way to show tv shows in india without a tape delay of 1 year, i will continue to download torrents!
39 (l33t) said:
“TF says something about not tolerating trolls… so why is Reasoned Mind still here?”
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l33t;
You are right. This is shameful that TF allows the participation of the enemy here, and even protects them… this is unacceptable.
Forum sites as TF allow the trolls ON PURPOSE because they create
inflammatory and offensive content, which generates a lot of controversy and a lot of useless and LARGE discussions.
At the end, this is that TF wants: generating large discussions without care about quality of content.
In a few words, these guys (TF) have been playing with our emotions for convenience.
@49 Ben Jones,
Thanks for the kind words, I’m clearly opposed to taking/downloading the digital work of someone without paying them as they had intended, but I also love the network as we all do and I try to think this through before I post. Still, one thing about TF really bugs me.
#48 is not my post. Someone has posted here before as Reasoned Mind and it’s not me, and I’ve identified this issue before. It’s hard to stay on subject and forward the debate with this kind of cheap and misleading masquerading going on. Is there no way to link email addresses to the names we use to post, to ensure the fakes are caught before publishing?
Removed mininova cookies, bookmarks, links and any mention of them from every pc i get my hands on, instead spreading btjunkie and The Pirate Bay.
I will not generate any more traffic for those guys, neither will anyone i know :) We’ll see how long mininova stays strong at the top, now when they said laud and proud “GTFO” to all users.
Ben Jones said:
@l33t – reasoned mind is not a troll. Certainly he has a contrary view sometimes, but that’s NOT trolling. To be honest, I find Reasoned’s posts preferable to the majority of those here, because at least he puts some thought into it, and gives me something to think about. Intelligent discourse is not trolling. The day we only allow sycophantic comments, is the day the site dies.
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That a shameful comment.
I am leaving this site right now.
It’s pretty clear that Mininova could argue they perform exactly the same function that Google does with regards to torrent searches. Google isn’t going to court simply because they have more than enough resources to fight the MAFIAA.
Ultimately, the only way that laws will change is if sites resist the way the Pirate Bay has. Every revolutionary is at first a criminal.
Fair enough, I suppose. By the *AAs have enough advertising of their position as it is, so most people see little value in hearing it yet again on here.
Reasoned Mind is worried about impersonation? When we had the Intense Debate system, you were not registered to it, as I recall. A change of heart now?
There is a way to register, for comments. I don’t remember how, but I know some have done it (like ezee). Maybe ernesto can elaborate in a comment.
logician = “why people dont go underground with ddl hosters, usenet, and private trackers is beyond me.”
Beyond you? Is it really that hard to figure out? I know there’s some dumb people out there, but cmon…. it’s obviously because those services generally cost money, partciularly a newsserver and ddl services, and even some private trackers, but the reason for people not using those are again obvious, they require more effort than public.
HARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ISOHUNT
sad to say this but i been to mininova about one are two times oh well mininova a nother website to the shi*ts
There’s quite a few immature people around isn’t there.. Mininova is doing what IT feels is the best option. Icecream if you were in a position to have to go to court, would you not do whats best for yourself in getting out of that situation? I believe if you were Mininova you would just close the site and abandon everybody, thankfully we don’t have you heading any torrent sites… But they have done the best thing IMO. Actually compromising.Reasoned Mind has some good points and some that I don’t agree with overall. That’s fine. Even if he was a troll I think he should stay. Without such people TF would be completely biased.. That’s not good for credibility or for any drawn conclusions of an article.
“It makes absolutely no sense to implement this system unless they are getting paid. Not to mention the costs involved with developing the software for this, I certainly wouldn’t have done it for free.”
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irony alert. code red. you now have five minutes to reach minimum safety distance…
+1 Ben Jones
Reasoned Mind is one of the few regular TF contributors with their head screwed on (and the ability to string a sentence together). Although this sites main purpose is reporting news from the filesharing scene, it is sad that the bulk of its participating “members” have little concept of what an alternative opinion is, and rather than accept that everyone is entitled to their view, even if it is contrary to their own, opt for the childish approach of name calling or labeling those people as trolls/plants rather than address their arguments.
Anyone would think that the majority of the filesharing community were immature 5 year olds and p2p was their favorite toy becuase often that is how they act. The days of reasoned debate about reform have passed, in its place is ignorance and arrogance perpetuated by the likes of TPB.
If Mininova feel this is what they need to do to pay the bills, then that is their choice. Their business model, and that of the majority of torrent sites, is/was never a sustainable one. Some of you might think everything in life is free, sadly that is not the real world, perhaps one day, when you grow up a bit, you will realise this.
RIP mininova, suicide is an effective tool.
The bastards! They killed sharing!
There goes the neighborhood…
well, so ya gotta do what ya gotta do i guess. Though the only part on which i agree is that copyright holders and reperesentatives (you nkow who you are!) should be getting wiser people step up to their budget management or maybe not (assuming they can think better on how they will spend their resources and money). NO wonder why there is so much money the record labels and all of these organized enterprises are claiming lost.. they are not spending it well of course and then they want to blame it on others, which result on sites creating copyrighted content filters (smells like a business opportunity) and sites like these must dig up more money. It will be very hard for mininova to prove what they are trying to copyright representatives (AKA abusers) and holders because these people ave a vastly incredible amount of bias already set in. Plus they have no oversight. These companies are private and somehow still get away with many cryminal activities by means of briving. Makes me sick. NOtice how i have not mentioned anything about downloading or “stealing” as some put it. THe problem again has nothing to do with piracy. Even if torrents and filesharing die I still have my cd burner ready and my digital recorder next to me, and my coppier available. Money is indeed a big incentive for corruption. Being wrong is humane, but blaming others for being wrong is even more humane still.
money corrupts. goodbye mininova
wth? if mininova axes copyrighted content then what do they think people will have left to download. not once have i seen a non-’righted’ file for DL on that site…seriously, every single file is one that can be ‘claimed’ by some organization…geez. why even have a site then…do they think that advertisers will pay to place a banner on a site nobody visits??? i guess im going to have to learn to rip dvds and get to borrowing…sigh
I feel really sorry for Mininova, they were obviously “blackmailed,” for lack of a better word.
glad http://isohunt.com and tpb are still around to fight the MAFIAA.
Anyone still useing mininova by this point. Is a noob just asking for a c&d letter via eztv.
Abandon the ship!
Who needs mininova, honestly? Big whoop, it hosts .torrent files. Just use TPB, at least they’ve got the balls to run a tracker too.
Just use Google.
That will find you a torrent if its out there
fuck mininova
And this folks is why public sites suck ass ROFL.
I’ll be enjoying all the latest scene releases and ALL torrents on real sites.
Bye now :)
EZTV was the only reason I used Mininova – but it’s easier now to just go to eztv dot it. TPB is usually overloaded so for anything else I use Demonoid.
like i always said mininova is a cancer in the p2p scene, now they are trialing and testing new software for the mpaa, which will be successful or by the looks of it will be, which will just give the mpaa more ammo against other torrent sites and/or trackers, and proves that it is easy to ‘filter’. i think its a sad day that this shithole of a website (mininova) nothing more than a leech from other sites, has paved they way forward for the mpaa, just to save there own asses, someone put this business down b4 its cancer spreads to the rest of the community!
It may just be a few files, but I think Mininova will see a huge drop in use of the site.
Eventually, Mininova will have to remove the filtering, if they want to have any users at all.
Use OneSwarm !
@68: Dingo_RG
“Ben Jones said:
@l33t – reasoned mind is not a troll. Certainly he has a contrary view sometimes, but that’s NOT trolling. To be honest, I find Reasoned’s posts preferable to the majority of those here, because at least he puts some thought into it, and gives me something to think about. Intelligent discourse is not trolling. The day we only allow sycophantic comments, is the day the site dies.
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That a shameful comment.
I am leaving this site right now.”
Good, piss off – it’ll make at least me happy. It’s a marked sign of emotional & intellectual immaturity to not acknowledge & process others viewpoints but instead repeat “troll” ad nauseum.
… which is funny as you don’t even appear to know what a troll even is. Maybe because you’re too busy being enthused by the comfortable feeling of being in group-think.
If all you want to do is read other comments that are exact;ly mirroring the tone and content of your own thoughts that puts you at the level of a baby: infantile in other words.
dingo leaving automatically raises the median IQ here by at least a few points…
oh yeha i added over so mnay no got none!!!!!!!
I always preferred btjunkie in any case.
It’s more then just a view files,FXG AXXO and EZTV are just the beginning.
What I really don’t get is the why of it all, who do they think there fooling??
It’s like beeing a rapist for many years but a view days before your trail you stop raping and that is your get-out-of-jail-for-free-card, I don’t think so.
If mininova is quilty of anything then this won’t make a difference. It could even work against them,as a proof of quilt and remorse.
I’m sad to see it end this way,mininova was fast, easy to use and nice to look at.Whitout mininova I’ll have to search an wee bit more for my daily downloads,that’s all.
I don’t think that a torrentsite without torrents has a future,so unless they stop this trail I think they’re doomed.
R.I.P. mininova, I’ll miss you.
Cheers,
-the Queef-
Days are counted for Mininova. It’ll face an end like Youtorrent.
@ 66 May 12, 2009 at 04:41 by Reasoned Mind
Post like 48 are the reason Ben doesn’t think you’re a troll. If those are taken away then you just become a troll. If you believe someone is stealing your copyrighted work, you should report that to law enforcement. If you are law enforcement then you should be doing your job instead of falsely accusing people of crimes on here. If you want to inform people of the laws you are making you should have them published in the law books of your region. And if you are going to make claims back them up with references. Otherwise STFU. I’m assuming STFU means Stop Trolling For Undulation, ha ha.
I always see people like Reasoned Mind come on here and obviously troll about how good this is. But surely you have to see the other side.
The more shit like this happens the closer we get to Big Brother controlling how we use the internet and soon enough we’ll be overcharged for anything and everything we use on the net including what we can and can not see.
There’s obviously the minority of pirates that do this to escape spending money but thats not the point. The governments are trying to take the one place we CAN be free from us and your handing it to them. What happened to that whole “Freedom” thing you yanks have been fighting for for all these years!?
It’s awesome how people here are criticising both mininova and torrentfreak(wtf?) for not running a tracker. Please show us the urls of the tracker YOU run, or preferably just grow up
Mininova
has
bentovah
Adios. RIP.
Use OneSwarm !
@93 – You are the man. Thanks for the tip about Oneswarm, just friggen awesome. No more leechers. Only people who seed and have something to offer as well. Very nice!!!
@100
Yeah, well, #94 is attributed to me but not my post, either. If there is a registration process that can halt this sad practice, naturally, I’ll register. Ben mentioned Ernesto and he knows how to contact me directly. Thanks to all who make clear they appreciate a word now and then from the loyal opposition.
Interestingly, this impersonation I’m subjected to here on TF is illustrative of the paradox created by anyone who would willfully break the law online. Anonymity is the one trait everyone agrees we like best about this network, but it is the most abused freedom and consequently most likely to be lost in the long run. Law Enforcement is putting ever increasing effort into surveillance and monitoring to stem the tide against hacking, infringement and piracy, fraudulent ID theft and impersonation.
Well sorted societies largely self-police but the pirate community has never wanted to be a functioning part of society, preferring to take without paying while hiding, literally. It’s not the most courageous or noble approach to living in my view, and this kind of mindset is why our freedoms are diminishing on the internet in general. Piracy, because of its scale, will be remembered as the reason we once had– but lost– our fast, free and anonymous network. Some folks can’t be trusted to represent honestly….. even on a pro-file sharing website. Every dishonest one of you is part of the problem that the rest of us must now try to make right again.
idea:
rename the torrents to harmless names, then make antoher site/service where you can look up the original torrentnames and whats REALLY inside!
dont cry like a baby, technology evolves. =)
Btw, I’m a tool.
@18 Yeah, they’ll survive, just like napster did.
Face it, this is not their first idiot move along these lines, we all said goodbye then and they backed off within the week, but here we are again.
For them to be doing this shows they’ve forgotten their purpose, and so have become irrelevant.
PS: “so smart for being proactive in taking these steps that courts will only make them do anyway”
Why don’t you just admit guilt.
Guys I think now its the time to Ban mininova , Mininova bans Copyright infringing and we ban mininova thats the way it is so mininova can’t be rank 80 no more ;)
Btw , my suggestion is http://www.speed.cd a Family safe torrent website that you’d love to join in :)
Why are you all taking this so seriously, Mininova just want to be seen doing something to control the piracy, they’re not actually opposing it.
As long as Mininova shows that they’re doing something to “stop” pirates, the spotlight shines in their favour.
@105 Your purpoted nobility in privacy doesn’t stick to obvious shills so well. I’d expect such opposition to make themselves known rather than try to appear as some concerned citizen who’s offering an objective view that didn’t print alongside the payroll– or spend all day “answering” to each post, your points aren’t so special and even less accurate.
Laws themselves often overstep their boundaries, and those protecting outdated corporations’ equally outdated business models, rather than the health and wellbeing, even instead of the health and wellbeing of the public and true art and culture which free their minds and help them thrive, are doing exactly that.
Such laws will forever be unenforcable if for no other reason than the public will never support them, despite your paycheck.
“Law Enforcement is putting ever increasing effort into surveillance and monitoring to stem the tide against hacking, infringement and piracy, fraudulent ID theft and impersonation.”
That’s neither here nor there. Obviously we criminal “pirates” support such things as fighting the abuse against anyone’s safety or personal freedoms. The way to secure and private networks is not going to come about by way of deep surveillance and paranoia, and you’re a sad fool to think we should buy that, when in fact privacy of society at large is falling aside to FUD, spoonfed by talking puppets such as yourself. WMD=911=child porn= file sharing=pandemic= it’s really all for your safety.
In fact, we are self policing by standing up against unfair prosecution by your employers, and their practice of robbing us for decades. This is we the people speaking, we are more, we are louder, we will be persistent. All we hear from your camp are self serving lies, and your self serving has no benefits beyond your small click. However it’s not without great cost to us, financially, educationally, culturally and ethically.
What a position you must be in, in this day and age, to have to fight for the corporate man, while the world is so trusting of you.
The real reasons why our rights and freedoms are diminishing at large are because of you and yours. Can’t say your paycheck is a truly courageous or noble one considering.
Just think how history will remember your far seeing courageous deeds. Anyone impersonating your shill act for laughs seems the least of your issues.
@112
Fair question I think. All mininova had to do to be in compliance with existing laws, to the best of my knowledge, was to respect take down notices. Take down notices you could argue would better be served if “they” weren’t paying to flood the mininova network with fake copies….. directly resulting in hindering their manpower and ability to comply with existing laws and practices.
This is reaching beyond what was required and it steps on our toes in doing it. If they’re doing it to look better in court? It’s as good as an admission of guilt. “Glad you agree existing laws aren’t suitable and you need to be caged for your theiving”, which obviously reflects on all of us.
Some months ago they had some other “Test” to see about being profitable or something I can’t recall exactly what it was but it was the first showing of their true colors. I would rather support the stupidity of TPB because at least they’ve shown, they are truly on our side.
Loser move. Mininova, I hope you guys fold up soon.
@105 Reasoned Mind
love your posts. You speak of ‘well sorted societies’ who tend to ‘police themselves’. Have you ever seen such a beast?
I particularly like your statement;
“Law Enforcement is putting ever increasing effort into surveillance and monitoring to stem the tide against hacking, infringement and piracy, fraudulent ID theft and impersonation.”
Watch the news…”Law enforcement” and military from around the world cant seem to come to grips with REAL PIRATES off the coast of Somalia. It seems to be too expensive to do anything about that little problem.
What makes anyone think they can do anything effective about plain ol’ online piracy?
You say that the “wild west” will soon be over. Like in real life apparently. You should know that its never really over. There’s always at least one real shooting war happening on the planet.
The future iterations of digital information sharing tech will make torrents look like morse code and telegraph lines.
The lawyers cant even wrap their heads around current p2p and somehow they’re going to stop the next wave?
This whole shitshow needs a wake up… what will the lawyers do in twenty years when we can just beam movies into each others heads!?!
‘there will be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth’
speedcd is worse than h33t… that is to say it is beyond crap, it is just abysmal.
@133 jaldkjfk
My message for many years has been consistent and regular readers of TF know I take no “paycheck” from the industries. I do not defend the cartels. either. My cause is the protection of the network as we once enjoyed it back in the early early 1990’s, before piracy. We had every opportunity to stop buying and put the cartels out. Instead, shallow thinkers like you began to steal, infringe, digital theft, call it whatever you like. It was selfish in what it took under “noble (bs) justification”, it is illegal in execution and immoral in what it did to the artists themselves and it handed this issue over to the cartels on a silver plater.
Pirates have always been selfish and very shortsighted, who cry about Freedom while they hack and steal and impersonate through fraud and destroy everything good about the internet. Except in the direst form of dictatorship, there are processes to hear grievance and opportunities to change laws, and your modest influence in no way justifies your civil disobedience. The most outrageous claim is that digital thieving is in some way comparable to civil rights. That’s just vile, and only tarnishes any chance that your view might be heard, appreciated and embraced. As it is, you have squandered your freedoms, your privacy and the quality of your voice for a harddrive full of pilfered entertainment, and I’ll stand by my legacy in this debate. It remains to be seen when your thinking improves and you begin to accept accountability for your own poor behavior that damages us all.
all of this is irrelevant, torrentspy was the best, they went down. mininova is good, how long they last, we’ll see. new sites will pop up all over the place, its impossible to stop the technology. bittorrent is the future. i don’t even bother with any sites, i just google a torrent search for what i want and get 20-30 options on the spot.
Well… Farewell MiniNova.
Hope you’ll be back with us when you solve your internal problems…
Till then…
Long Live The Pirate Bay !!!
http://www.thepiratebay.org/
@reasoned mind
“My cause is the protection of the network as we once enjoyed it back in the early early 1990’s, before piracy. We had every opportunity to stop buying and put the cartels out.”
I do not understand this, you appear to want the internet to be neutral (whose importance, I believe even supercedes the filesharing debates).
Your position (as I understand it) is that because of wide spread filesharing somehow justifies the takeover of the internet by the
mpiaa/ifpi goons.
Anyone who supports this effort (as you appear to do) does not care about network neutrality.
:( Had to D/L a .txt file to get my “24″ Fix from mininova…
Who cares it’s Mininova. Let them go the way of Napster, it’s a useless public site anyway. If you aren’t smart enough to get into even the most basic private site, you should just kill yourself now.
@reasoned troll
“My message for many years has been consistent and regular readers of TF know I take no “paycheck” from the industries.”
I am pretty sure this is untrue. While I have enjoyed a lot or your discourse, I have read too many of your posts such as the validity of the rand study (terrorism), your defense of banning fan based subtitles and so many other issues not related to “the protection of the network”that I am convinced, no matter how cogent your arguments occasionally are, that you, my friend are a paid troll.
But of course, I could be wrong.
Bye bye minonova!
Who cares minonova sucks anyway… let them die and new ones will rise!
I lost 20% of what I uploaded at mininova, lets see if they take the rest as well..
why dont mininova just delete everything shut there site down because it doesnt take a smart person to work out that they are history, but i hope to see some satistics on visitors soon to the torrent sites
Don’t Fred! There’s always a Barney.
Needless to say I’m never going to use Mininova again. DMCA like laws were already bad enough but they are going beyond it with preemptive censorship. RIP Mininova, you’re just a walking dead and a traitor now.
Hmm when TF first wrote about this filtering idea I wrote that it won’t work as it is easy to flood/spam/fake/trick such filters be it human checking or complex automatic filtering…
It seems I was mistaken for one reason… Mininova is not tracker/seeder site but more like torrent link indexing/sharing service that centralizes torrents from hundreds of sites… And that’s partially what was good about mininova. It was one of sites that was bringing wider range of users to same torrent files. Say we have 100 of private sites with 1000 of people on each but trough mininova torrent file sharing among trackers and indexers it was possible to bring 30k+ users on same torrent file making it a good and fast way to download ans share stuff.
But this feature of public indexers like Mininova also is their downfall to filters like Minonova tries to make. Thing is that to trick them you need to rename files, make small changes to change hash keys and use other ways to alter original torrent to make it pass the filter… But considering the nature of Mininova and that it i centralized sharer of torrent it means that altering torrent in that ways is just not feasible any more…
So I changed my mind… May be Mininova will succeed at filtering out very popular torrent with large number of trackers with large amounts of seeders and leechers as it will be counter productive to remake those. Only torrent that will stay will be small popularity torrents there will be going constant arms race with filter meaning that Mininova indeed will become a lot less popular among copyrighted content downloaders…
But in a sense it is interesting I kind of hope that they will survive their own way without copyrighted content providing exposure to those artists and creator that are willing to embrace free culture and free content distribution and redistribution by fans in digital form. At least they were including features that were aiming on that some time ago… Hope they have enough of those partners to stay afloat even with major amount of visitors shifting to other sites.
@124, Darth_Tater
Yeah, you’re wrong in this instance. I take nothing from the industries, I don’t work for them, I have no affection for them either. But what they do is legal and in modern societies, legal is the coin of the realm.
The issue most of TF’s readers don’t understand, or perhaps, more accurately, choose NOT to understand, is that even an innocuous trespass like unauthorized subtitles is still the wrong way to go about this, we simply have no right, none, no right whatever to step into someone else’s work, to force their hand to release schedule, content, translation, price. That ALL belongs to the creator while their work is protected, and so to use technology to simply do whatever you wish disregarding the law hands the higher moral ground and the much higher legal cards back over to the cartels. That’s why government is listening and responding as they are. You don’t have to bribe and purchase legislation when so much lawless chaos is already at hand.
Digital pirates picked the wrong battle and that is why you are losing. More to the point, you financially benefit every single time you take something and do not pay, while you break the law and argue that the cartels are “only in it for the money.” Your philosophies are far more hypocritical than the industries ever were and that’s one reason why the majority continues to purchase.
Is it any wonder that government, given this scenario, has little choice? Your methods are illegal. Hello?? What would you have government do? Abandon the law?…and due process?…. let you destroy the entertainment cartels by doing nothing?….. let anything and everything happen online in utter chaos??.. and pretend that digital piracy is going to monetize digital media the way industry always has and does?
Bullshit. You must be joking. Wake up. And at the moment, it’s our network that is suffering because you place a higher regard on getting stuff for free than you do on freedom itself. You are not the solution. You are the minority problem and everyone with influence sees this clearly but you.
@Reasoned Mind
Considering you are in some way on their side(not completely but) I have a question for you. Thing is that because I can’t find and answer to it I believe that Industry will fail.
Question is simple what with channels of distribution that no one owns? I am speaking about technologies like SkyPe that allow users to become service providers without any effort. SkyPe works over completely chaotic network where thousands of nodes are leaving and joining the network and where no one truly knows what is sent trough them… Okay for now it is made over larger broadband networks where you can try to listen and regulate but as I said traffic that goes trough nodes is encrypted so not ISP’s and not users who use it know what is transferred trough them… And that’s just the beginning as mobile phones already have 10Gb+ of memory and blue tooth technology to share information ans serve as ISP on small scale making it possible to build bluetooth based network without need for mobile operators. And again it is just a beginning. Mobile phones start to have WiFi connection and soon there will come out those who also will have built-in WiFi access points making it really possible to make large area networks without ISP or mobile operators.
So how can you restrict person to person copyright infringement in such network? Or they will ban wireless network too?
Then if you go even further say 50-100 years in future I am pretty shore that thought transfer in some form will become possible thus making it possible instead of telling about film kind streaming it directly in Video/Audio form be it trough some rapid thoughts visualisation/audialisation tools or direct brain-to-brain information transfers. What’s then?
So I don’t see any way other then complete Big Brother supervised society without freedom of speech(as speach with time will become equal to any form/size information sharing) and likely without much freedom at all. And if it is where we are going then not you not I and no individual will matter and Industry will fall anyways as entertainment probably will loose it’s point… We will be just a cogs in machine anyways or will be replaced with more suitable cogs.
Lol? EZTV don’t release anything. All they do is post/upload _scene_ releases.
it would be good if a effective filter could exist because it would divide p2p content into contents controled by the corporate parasites on one side and creative coment, open source and public domain contents on the other.
The first will dissapear within few years effectivly geting ride of all these nasty business of criminals while the second will trive and will consitute the basis of the new entairtainment industry.
Unfortunatly the filters will not work as it is not posssible to filter anything with enought specificity. Copyrighted stuff will still go through.
Ok, RIP from me, too, Mininova.
Anyway, as EZTV shows, it only takes a day to find a solution.
Mad_Martha around here? Where will you go? Something like tvrss would be great, because the RSS feeds are compatible with those Mininova used to have (back in the days when it existed).
Mad_Martha rocks!
@133, wonderwhy-er
You appear to be asking a technical question……”How will they stop us?” in light of the technical capabilities at the moment, and the inevitable advancement presumably going to the hands of the general population in the future. Frankly, I think that is the wrong question to ask.
There will always be crime. There will always be those who will break the law (and find a way to do it) willing to take the consequences if caught. But this mindset has never reflected the vast majority of human nature, and that is easily evidenced hundreds of ways all through civilization.
The ability to excessive automotive speeding exists and a few assholes do it, sure, but we don’t all drive 200k per hour and dare them to stop us. Barely 1% of tax returns are audited but by and large, the entire world pays its taxes. People stop at stop signs or wait through red lights when no one is around. There was a time when shoplifting was easy, but did we all do it? Of course not. The mere means to live counter to the will of the whole has never been enough to convince the whole to do it. We “self-police.” Why?
I think it’s in our collective nature by and large, to respect what we have, to care for it, to pay for what we take and to reasonably expect to be paid for what we produce. It’s a sense of evenhandedness. You may think piracy somehow levels the playing field to the industries, but two truths are unavoidable. 1) The industries have seriously enriched tens of thousands of artists based on capitalist popular demand, and I think that’s fair. I don’t like Britney Spears either, but she works harder than any ten of us here added together and she’s certainly earned it. And 2) Piracy has screwed the artists for almost a decade far worse than anything the industry has ever exploited them and the content creators see it and they know it, so they are waiting to see who their real friends are. The industry is coming out on top in that debate, too. Getting a recording contract is still the holy grail of music because there is a chance of getting paid with them and you don’t.
The anarchist mindset that is so prevalent here is a drop in the ocean of human nature, but it takes on a fury and a self-righteousness on websites like this because it feeds upon itself, however in the minority worldwide.
Given the chance, the vast majority will agree on what is “right”, and law will always strive to reflect that concept of “right.” Sometimes we’ll disgaree, but if we wish to take advantage of the laws we agree with, we must respect the ones we do not. Many folks who pirate know that it is wrong and will stop when the stakes get high enough. It’s all part of the larger social contract. Pirates believe they have a right to all the beneficial aspects of this contract and to opt out selectively to other aspects as they wish. It never worked this way. The word “outlaw” is self-explanatory. In fact the world will punish you. In my view that too, is fair.
So the answer to your question is the majority will continue to agree about what is “right” and abide by this agreement despite technical means to cheat. And they will punish outlaws as they must to retain order and what the majority feels is fair. And the same majority will adjust the rules going forward–legally– to reflect changing social more, technical advance and the like.
I’ve always thought the single greatest revelation here on TF–and your greatest weakness– has always been the collective pirate insistence that one must actually be paid to express an opposing morality.
R.I.P.
Long live The Pirate Bay
@ 105 May 12, 2009 at 12:18 by Reasoned Mind
You wrote, ‘Law Enforcement is putting ever increasing effort into surveillance and monitoring to stem the tide against hacking, infringement and piracy, fraudulent ID theft and impersonation.’
Can you prove that. BTW, please learn to read. There is no since replying to my post if you are just going to exude illiteracy.
There is no sense replying to my post if you are just going to exude illiteracy.
I guess your illiteracy is rubbing off.
@#139 Think about it:
“Can you prove that.”
I evidenced this already at post #18 on this same thread.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fbi-going-dark-with-new-advanced-surveillance-program/
I’m not the only one here who needs to learn to read. lol
@wonderwhy-er “So how can you restrict person to person copyright infringement in such network? Or they will ban wireless network too?”
You can’t, but that is not the issue. We are not really talking about “one to one” filesharing here are we, we are talking about “one to many”. Infringement propigation on a massive scale. It is the equivilent of painting a great big red target on your head then running around screaming for someone to shoot you, which.
@137 Reasoned Mind
Well joke is that law without a way to enforce it is just number of words written on paper.
Another part here is that you provide examples of scare physical world things which can not be applied to intellectual property and digital content.
For example you mentioned shoplifting. Now lets imagine such situation. I entered a shop of say car details. Made some photos. Come home where I have equipment and made a part I made photos of before. Did I steal it? Is it a theft? Clearly not. But is it infringement on copyright? By law it is… But intuitively in many cases it is not…
Anyways what made possible to regulate and enforce laws on shoplifters were cameras and many other mostly technical means to track those thefts and it is actually pretty easy considering thefts are physical and you can easily check that(at least no but I am not so shore about future).
Same goes for your car example. It is physical and easy to track with appropriate technical means(again right now and I am not o shore about future)
But when you come to digital world rules changes because here things are asymmetrical to things in real world. If in real world it is kind of hard to hide theft right now as there is no way to make it invisible or change shape and disguise as something else(but I think in future it will become possible) but still you can say hide a jewel in bottle of pills(still not something that could work). So now about digital world. As I said here things are other way around. It is very easy to make stuff look differently so that picture would become text or music can be hidden if needed in say collection of photos. Then stuff can be encrypted or there are even systems where no one except the owner can even tell if information even exists on your HDD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography). Then there also is encryption. There are algorithms that would make any film, music, software anything that is digital to look like garbage unless you know the key and trying to break such encryption depending on type of algorithm can take months even for supercomputers.
So for digital information in some cases it is proved mathematically and sometimes nor existence/absence of algorithms to find if this stream of information contains some information you need.
So I technically do not see means for enforcement of laws in area of digital information transfer because for digital information it is very easy to manipulate/disguise/hide it and very hard and sometimes impossible to detect/break/filter it. And as I said without means of enforcing such laws do not hold real power and are more like moral rather then law.
There is also philosophical problem towards information sharing… If you dig deep enough setting human morale/desires aside information can not be owned by anyone it just exists.
@#143 wonderwhy-er
You missed the point entirely. There will always be technical means to do wrong. The majority will still not steal or infringe online because it is wrong to steal or infringe in any realm, virtual or not.
Surveillance will increase as online crime percentages warrant, ISP’s will be required to join the cause, technical means of anonymity on the network will be licensed in direct proportion to their illegal use. Punishments will escalate until it is no longer reasonable to take the chance. Laws will be passed and examples will be made all over the globe. No government is going to walk away from digital media or the internet as a means of distribution. Certainly not at this time in history, anyway. And if you think they must just give up to anarchy because they “can’t stop you”, just stand by.
And as for “information can not be owned by anyone it just exists.”……..you just sound poorly informed or perhaps you don’t create much IP yourself. People will always feel proprietary to that which they create themselves through their own time and their work. That, too, is in our human nature. That’s why the laws reflect this.
I’ll have a double of whatever YOU’ve been drinking. lol
“You are the minority problem and everyone with influence sees this clearly but you.”
———
LOL, that a big liar is you, reasoned troll.
Are many millions of active filesharers around the world a minority?
Are you drunk?
@142 zonetrooper
You can broadcast messages over such network too. You just create broadcast message like “New episode of **** is out for” and everyone who allows broadcast messages to go trough him as an ISP will transmit it to all others he is connected with. Basically decentralized self regulating networks are under research and in many cases algorithms are not proved to be stable as of yet except some specific cases like SkyPe or are prone to different attacks like spoofing of data but it is still possible to index data without centralized indexer.
May be that’s what should be done with torrent indexers actually. Making them decentralized and hosted by community over modern Internet :)
This seems that the coward of reasoned troll doesn’t want to respond my nice question. :-)
Are many millions of active filesharers around the world a minority?
@145
There is still not one study through any isp in any country in the world today that shows online piracy to be anything other than a distinct minority of people, always less than half, often 20% or less. The PEW study shows that in America.
“Millions” sounds about right.
In a population measured in billions.
Get real.
@Ben Jones
“reasoned mind is not a troll.”
Bullshit. His “viewpoint” isn’t occasionally contrary, it’s perpetually detatched from reality. From his willful ignorance of the fact that filesharing isn’t theft despite being corrected ad nauseum, to his upsidedown and backwards blame-the-victim philosophy that states it’s entirely the fault of filesharers that the entertainment industry is attempting to turn the Internet into a draconian police state(the logic of this is in par with claiming that Jews were to blame for the whole Nazi mess), to his doomsday propaganda that the days of filesharing are coming to a close as the law cracks down on P2P – when in reality the few laws designed to crack down on P2P that manage to get signed into action quickly fall apart soon thereafter, to his escapades masquerading as multiple user names… Reasoned Mind is a mouthpiece for the copyright lobbyists groups and the epitome of a troll.
Now here comes the part where he pretends he’s unjustly accused of being a hired plant because he represents an “opposing morality”, when it’s plainly obvious to anybody that the little choad’s paychecks are signed by the industry, opposing viewpoints be damned.
Oh, and speaking of his adventures posing under different user names, it’s likely that you, “Ben Jones”, are actually Reasoned Mind giving himself a blowjob since your comments lack the fancy green background used by Torrent Freak staff members.
And you can get away with it, too, since TF’s moderators seem to either be asleep at the wheel or a little too hands-off for their own good.
@reasoned troll;
But; which is the problem then? :-)
If we, the filesharers are (according to your words) a minority; I don’t see anything bad and we are not a real problem…
You see, reasoned troll, the lies always are discovered… a compulsive liar as you don’t have any credibility because people as you claim at a given moment that we are a minority, and in another moment the same copyright people say that the majority of traffic on the internet is p2p… :-)
You see… it’s very difficult to believe to compulsive liars as you.
Are you a corrupt person? just curious… :-)
“The issue most of TF’s readers don’t understand, or perhaps, more accurately, choose NOT to understand, is that even an innocuous trespass like unauthorized subtitles is still the wrong way to go about this, we simply have no right, none, no right whatever to step into someone else’s work, to force their hand to release schedule, content, translation, price.”
And what right did the corporations have to basically dstroy the entire concept of “public domain” by bribing the government into extending copyrights to ridiciulous lengths? Not to mention conducting an “education” campaign that has virtually wiped the very idea of any type of IP being free from the minds of anyone under the age of 30.
What right did the movie industry have to prevent legally purchased DVDs from being played in other countries through the imposition of region codes? Before you try and argue that they were necessary for protecting theater releases, as the studios claim, be prepared to explain why region codes are still used on releases that are 10+ years.
What right did they have to make it a crime to circumvent DRM, even if it’s necessary to actually make use of the media?
Why does Sony have the right to sell a “DVD” that won’t play in all DVD players and then claim it’s not their fault if it doesn’t work, even if the reason it won’t is that they messed with the DVD structure in a useless effort to prevent it from being copied?
As for Mininova, I predict they’ll go the way of that torrent meta-search site that was popular last year. Remember the one that received rave reviews and then announced that they were only going to include legal content? Yeah, I don’t remember what it was called either…
@144 Reasoned Mind
Seems you become irritated… Do not insult me I haven’t insulted you and not intending to do so. It just makes it look as if I hit some painful spot.
As for “majority does not steal” for digital stuff it is not like that. At least here. Basically it depends on people but stuff like TV shows is “pirated” and is “theft” by terminology of entertainment industry very widely in countries that content was not made and is almost not available trough legal means. I would agree there are types of content(same TV shows in US for example) is not pirated but there are cases when it is very widely pirated. Last example I heard was one new game that was out. It seems they allowed pirates to play online on official servers or something and by their statistics pirates outnumbered legitimate users 6 to 1. So this your position does not stand that majority won’t pirate if they can do so easily and as I said before it seems that it will always be easier to copy information then protect it from coping.
Now I already told that technically precise surveillance on digital transfers is almost impossible because of encryption algorithms. Or how do you think Internet baking and paypal still works if it was not possible. So that part does not stand too. Actually funny here that algorithms banks and government develop to protect their privacy and secrets also allows to make copyright infringement a secret if needed.
As for examples I am still waiting. Haven’t seen any that changed my point of view here so far in mm 10 years or so when industry started to see it as a problem. Yeah there were cases when software companies were closed, sites were closed etc etc but over the years problem become only bigger with newer and newer technologies coming out. So I am still watching to see some examples that actually work.
As for being poorly informed then I am finishing my Master degree in software development(computer graphics, web development, games, immitational simulations are fields of my interests) and am interested in this conflict for at least 4 years discussing it with different people(mostly programmers and people from university tough + blogs).
Also here you missed the point. As I said if you remove human feelings and morals from IP you would see that information can not be truly owned. Sadly it is too much to write all parts of view on a question in generalized form.
Then again I agree that it is in human nature to be greedy and egoistic and that’s from where all this conflict comes as both sides suffer from this human nature… One side is wrong with IP laws that give them monopoly over something that is not truly theirs in first place (instead of giving exposure/money for finding/inventing/sharing something novel) and another side(pirates as it is preferred to call them) being greedy in other way around and often not truly respecting authors and giving them appropriate reward for their efforts.
So my position here is that both sides are wrong actually and if Industries only aim is to tighten the laws all they will succeed on will be be raising resistance from free culture, opensource movements and now pirate parties. And hopefully when those movements will gain as much support(probably even more) then industry lobbies hopefully some real solutions will be found…
P.S Care to share what’s your professional position and also sources of your information on the question of IP?
I still see torrents and all the popular shows are there. Nothing’s really disappeared.
@153,
true… just look in these 3 releasers:
EZTV:
http://www.mininova.org/user/eztv
Dingo_RG:
http://www.mininova.org/user/dingo_rg
AXXO:
http://www.mininova.org/user/axxo
All seems to be there (i believe) ;-).
I thought you guys all liked TPB better…
Yes, TPB is better, at least they have the balls for fighting the MAFIAA and not yield. :-)
Thank the gods for private trackers that don’t resort to such matters ;)
R.I.P. public trackers.
http://sharereactor.com excellent system for tv shows
So much for their so-called filters – EZTV, aXXo and the other torrent release groups have merely found ways around them.
When I think of Hollywood and Mininova i start to think about the titanic they all are going under
how about searching for a real tv release group instead of a torrent uploader and renamer such as “EZTV” the past three episodes were release by a group known as “LOL.” Remove eztv from your search and you might get decent results.
CasualT;
People like you will bring an end to BT.
Neik van der Maas is hypocritical. First he comments that filtering has nothing to do with court case, second he states it is only for a very limited period of time and for selected torrents. Now, 12 weeks is a very long time, and AFAIK all illegal content is filtered out.
So CasualT, you are just an immature kid, that feels loyal to Mininova, because you could download all those My Little Pony episodes, and you will say and do anything because in your undeveloped mind it feels like a good thing to do, to stand up for the weak. Thing is, Mininova is not the victim here, users are.
If you want to stand up for something and do the right thing, but The Pirate Bay T-Shirt, send them some money – they were fighting for a long time, and didn’t give up.
“…Pirates have always been selfish and very shortsighted…”
Correction:
Humanity not a subgroup of it. We are learning as we go and we all are selfish and shortsighted that is why we search for answers, no?
“Who cry about Freedom while they hack and steal and impersonate through fraud and destroy everything good about the internet. Except in the direst form of dictatorship, there are processes to hear grievance and opportunities to change laws, and your modest influence in no way justifies your civil disobedience.”
The people who don’t feel that sharing is pirating, people who otherwise would be excluded from knowledge if nobody shared anything, people who don’t wanna see laws like the french one where everyone needs to be an expert in networks and security when even professionals have a hard time with it doubt? please try and set up 2 serves one to store the signatures os hash algorithms and one to compare the two to see if anything is wrong it’s not trivial and could be compromised, people that buys cassetes and have to buy it again in CDs or DVDs forms because they aparently don’t own what they paid for and on that note if a paid for something am I not entitled to make what I want with it? fine line here.
ps: I didn’t even mentioned other things like receiving phone calls from people telling them that the waiting song is copyrighted or having people come to your place of work asking for money because your sound system in the office plays copyrighted material that are the faces of pirates everywhere we all are pirates and who thinks otherwise never bother to try and look up the body of laws in his or her country. There is no way that a citizen today could follow all that and still be productive in society.
As for the means to make grievances heard I don’t think that’s true see ACTA where no input what so ever from the public is beeing put forth. So no I don’t think this people want to hear about it or let alone discuss it even when it is so clear that they have no real power to stop what is happening and are manipulating laws trying to do it wich they can do it because they’re more organized than the people and I do feel that this time around there is no going back to the old ways, people will not stop sharing(pirating) it is what people do they see something they like it and want to share with as many as they can, they want to be cool or they want to enrich other peoples life and of course there are alternatives but they really are not in an stage that is palatable to the great public yet but are improving here and there opensource movie making started to appear(Buck’s Bunny), maybe in the future people will donate first to get the movie done and than this could be distributed all over after all people who done it have already been paid the rest is greed like have a copyright law the permits 95 years of protection after the death of the creator which means the cultural heritage of society is being robbed off them.
Life is balance and it’s clear for a growing number of people that this balance is broken and the consequences of doing nothing is the total lost of the peoples freedom and without this freedom the capacity to better ourselves.
Just to remind people.
Copyright was created to secure a “limited” time for the creator of something to explore it commercially not to guarantee pension for him, his family let alone stream revenue for corporations.
It was based on the principle that the creator should have a brief time to explore and gain something from it and pass that creation to be explored by society to better all humans. With 95 years of copyright and loopholes in patents anyone in society benefits how from a body of growing knowledge?
Copyright never was meant to give ownership of knowledge or arts but it’s exactly what some in the industry want you to believe.
“12 weeks is a very long time”
Grow up.
This is so effective than the Youtube removal of copyrighted audio.
That can be bypassed by those steps using Audacity to insert 5% pitch to the audio, and then reupload the same content…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecE6Y1cMooU
Way to go, MPAA! You will be defeated again! HAHAHA!
Jeik: Yeah right. There’s nothing like FLAC files encoded from a tape, with lots of juicy noise and screwed pitch. All that just to get the latest trash from Fail Spears.
http://unitedpirate.blogspot.com
@ 141 May 12, 2009 at 19:49 by Reasoned Mind
None of the aspects you alluded to are even mentioned in that article. So once again I ask that you prove your statement.
Come to think of it, can anyone provide proof that downloading copyrighted material for personal use is illegal? Or is it just a troll lie?
I have always used mininova and never even bothered to download stuff at pirate bay but it seems like I am going to have to start using the pirate bay from now on. By mininova…thanks for the memories!
I have always used mininova and never even bothered to download stuff at pirate bay but it seems like I am going to have to start using the pirate bay from now on. Bye mininova…thanks for the memories!
“why people dont go underground with ddl hosters, usenet, and private trackers is beyond me.”
Why people have this delusion about private trackers somehow being underground is beoynd me. Get it through your elitist thick heads that you are still broadcasting your IP address all over the Internet, no matter what tracker you use: it’s simply how the protocol works!
“In a few words, these guys (TF) have been playing with our emotions for convenience.”
LOL.
“Is there no way to link email addresses to the names we use to post, to ensure the fakes are caught before publishing?”
Sure, as email addresses cannot be created anonymously or simply faked. What a brilliant idea again.
Every one Better start Downloading (and seeding) like crazy before it becomes impossible
“Sure, as email addresses cannot be created anonymously or simply faked.”
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That a stupid comment.
Email addresses CAN be created anonymously. Get a clue.
“In a few words, these guys (TF) have been playing with our emotions for convenience.”
LOL.
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@174
I assume that you are cynic for getting fun from a serious situation, or maybe you are retarded for not getting the message…
Dingo said it right. TF on purpose allows the intrusion of trolls from entertainment industry cartels, who sabotage the discussions and advertise misinformation and lies about filesharing.
Now; why does TF “allegedly” being a pro-filesharing site allow something so destructive for the filesharing movement?
That is obviously a big contradiction… don’t you think?
People people people…wake up and smell the coffee…piracy is now, and has EVER been, an UNDERGROUND activity…it cannot survive in the light of the industry, and it cannot EVER be a mainstream thing to do. The bottom line, that nobody wants to face is that piracy IS illegal and has been for years. I hate to be the bearer of the Devil’s news, but if you want change in the copyright scene, you are going to have to FIGHT for it..on LEGAL grounds, in courtrooms, and in Parlimentary and Congressional arenas. The ONLY way ANYTHING is going to change is to have the Copyright Act either overturned, or overhauled to reflect current day. And by reflect current day, I mean include language that outlaws the usual methods that are used by the media industries when dealing with artists. If this fight is TRULY over artists and customers rights, then y’all are going at it the wrong way. The path to change lays down the legislative route. Without doing it the legal way, you’re never going to see the change you want. So…lawyers that are reading this..you might want to get busy. Those of you who have access to lawmakers..I’d give some thought to encouraging them to review the Copyright laws…in depth and at length. It’s time to put the corporate pricks in their place, and do it the only way that works..by force of government. The law is the only weapon that works against big industry..I think that is…as the age old word goes..self evident.
Mininova fails again – back to The Pirate Bay.
As an alternative site, I found this:- http://www.genesis-sp.org/index.php
i downloaded a game using a popular bittorrent client to check it out. i clicked on the finished file and got notified there was a virus and a trojan detected, i deleted the whole file and that was that.
i received a letter from my isp one week later threatening me. it took two days to remove the trojan that got in but the virus was blocked by FREE software….i may have even bought the game to try, but because of the letter i received, there’s no chance of that, and any other gameing software i may have purchased that is represented by the entertainment software association …the entity that reported. i will just play free games or games not associated with esa.
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