Porn Industry to Take on BitTorrent Sites
Written by Ernesto on September 10, 2007Porn industry representatives gathered at an anti-piracy conference last week to discuss solutions to the ever growing amount of pirated porn that’s traded on BitTorrent sites and other P2P-networks.
Piracy is becoming a serious problem for the adult industry. It is estimated that 5% of all files being shared on public BitTorrent trackers are adult content, and most of these files are copyrighted. On top of that, sites such as Empornium, PureTnA and Cheggit solely focus on sharing porn and are among the most popular private BitTorrent trackers on the Internet.
In an attempt to stop these sites from spreading their content the porn industry organized an anti-piracy conference. AVN quotes Andrew Blake, one of the 65 adult industry representatives at the conference and director of Studio A Entertainment: “What I’m getting out of this [conference] is that this is so pervasive, and we all kind of laughed when they came for the record industry , ‘Eh, couldn’t touch us’ , but here it is, a lot of people on the verge of extinction almost, from a business point of view.”
The adult industry representatives that took part in the three hour anti-piracy session estimated that they lose approximately $2 billion a year thanks to piracy, about 4% of their total income worldwide. The main consensus was that P2P networks, and BitTorrent in particular, posed the greatest threat to the porn industry.
Several countermeasures were discussed during the meeting. One of the suggestions was to create an MPAA/RIAA equivalent for the adult industry that helps to track down pirates and pursue legal action.
Greg Piccionelli, a Los Angeles based attorney with a professional interest in porn, explained the benefits of such an overarching organization: “If a neutral party does it [suing pirates], then they’re the face. And it shields the various parties that are being damaged. We believe that there is a substantial amount of interest, especially now that what is finally beginning to happen is that virtually every producer of content now is feeling the pinch of this rampant piracy, and it’s only got to get immeasurably worse as the technology improves.”
There are also more amateuristic ideas to fight porn piracy. For example, Megan Stokes from Shane’s World announced that they are launching a forum where content owners can post screenshots of pirated content. Somehow Stokes thinks that these screenshots could be of great help in upcoming court cases: “It’s for any kind of stolen content, because with the time-stamp and the screenshot, it’s something that we can start using as evidence in court cases.”
Stokes further stresses that the adult industry has to take action before it’s too late. “I really think studio owners need to stop turning a blind eye,” Stokes said “This isn’t going to go away, and just to sit and complain and do nothing doesn’t solve anything, and at this point, in five years, because of this, there’s a lot of people who are going to be disappearing from the business, if they don’t take a proactive stance.” Stokes is probably right, but taking screenshots of BitTorrent sites is the most clueless solution to the problem I’ve ever heard.
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They want to take free porn away? Laughable.
People will never stop torrenting porn.
Maybe less people would download their videos if a single brand new dvd didn’t cost $50 or more. Nobody likes those cheap $10 dvd anyways.
I would love to see how they come up with these numbers. Cause we all know that the RIIA and MPAA favorite “lost sales” principle has no basis in reality, and is statistically shaky.
Also, I don’t know about you but 4% of total worldwide sales seems like something that could happen due to normal market fluctuations caused by for example competition from low budget, low quality amateur internet pornography sites.
I wish them good luck, because if RIAA MPAA fails, the porn industry will fail miserably. I would really like to see who will maybe be in ads where they talk about porn is loosing quality because of piracy.
rite, there gonna bust some porn…
lets see,
Porn sites taken down: 0
porn sites to be taken down: unlimited
attemps failed : a lot :)
All my porn pirating is going to put some poor fluffer out of work. XD
No way, this is a bad joke…
FBI MPAA cant do anything to stop global piracy, and a group of middle aged limp dicks gather to fight against it? im lmao.
The Internet is for (free) porn.
;)
i have like 250 gb music, 450 gb series, and probably 800 gb porn. the thing is, that if i had to buy all the entertainment legally, i would have like 20 crappy mainstream cd’s (instead of the non-mainstream i listen to now), prison break and lost on dvd, and NO PORN. what i mean, is that i download the porn because it is free. if it weren’t free i wouldn’t have it. so there’s actually no lost income.
The second to last thing that the Adult Film Industry wants is to find out that the person who is sharing “Ass Princess 9″ on BitTorrent is a 12 year old boy in Peoria, Illinois.
The last thing that the Adult Film Industry wants is to see that fact reported in the press!
[quote]It is estimated that 5% of all files being shared on public BitTorrent trackers are adult content (…)[/quote]
Only 5%?
I use bittorrent for a lot of things downloading porn is not one of them. There are so many free video sites with porn that I really think using bittorrent to download porn is rather pointless.
Like many people have stated before, they only bother downloading porn since it is free. I would never waste my money to buy porn.
this article mentions Empornium, PureTnA and Cheggit
but what about pornorip and fileporn?
are those sites legit or bad?
ever since the MPAA and RIAA have been implemented, pirating has been increase for those contents, and 4% is not a big deal, just do ur jobs and stop investigating!
[quote comment="162492"][quote]It is estimated that 5% of all files being shared on public BitTorrent trackers are adult content (…)[/quote]
Only 5%?[/quote]
second that, only 5%? maybe its only 5% is not porn
good luck.
LAWLS, 5% is an estimate based on Sumotorrent stats, which is a bit misleading since the site only seems to get its porn from mainstream trackers who have started to hide / ban porn themselves in order to attract better advertising deals.
There are different stats out there though. Market researchers from the NPD group estimate that 60 percent of all video downloads from P2P networks are porn:
http://www.p2p-blog.com/item-217.html
Personally, I don’t really care if they win or not. I don’t watch a lot of pornography as compared to last year and the years before.
I realize that most of the porno are very cheesy, predictable moves (positions), almost annoying panting, and sometimes very hard-to-stomach stuff (for me anyway).
It’s really all the same.
Anyway, I don’t they will make any significant impact on P2P.
Besides, I like women who actually has IQ points at or above 100.
I have never EVER paid for any porn. You know why? I have not seen more then 5 minutes. Porn sucks, get a girlfriend instead. (But thats ju my opinion)
Johan…
You can actually do both, and so can your girlfriend..
Just a hint for you neutered ones in your first relationships.
regulating porn from the internet is an impossible task hehehe
Listen it’s really hard to get decent stuff here, and it cannot be copyright infringement if the material isn’t commercially available here.
if you could get it for a decent price legally then i would agree, but the distribution network for this type of stuff is terrible and it only ever seems the cheap crap makes it to our shores….
They should start a xxxTunes with steve jobbs, then we would have some good stuff for the new 160gb ipod :D
Doesn’t anyone of you realize what a unique position the porn-industry is in?!
“Dear sir, we have noticed that you have been engaging in illegal activities with regard to the copyrighted material XYZ. We would like to present these two options to you:
1. Send us $9999.
2. Prepare for a PUBLIC law-suit.”
My guess is there aren’t to many people out there who are eager to get such a lawsuit, when considering the wonderfull consequenses it would have on one’s reputation.
Porn industry is a multi billion industry anyway. There will be always people like to see for free other dude & bitch fucking hard way.
I totally agree with this. P2P isn’t going anywhere. The adult industry needs to figure out an unique solution to this problem that embraces P2P if they want to be successful.
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stories like this are great, now more ppl that didnt know the wonders of bittorrent porn now do. thanks porn industry
I don’t know why but the idea of copyrighted porn made me laugh really hard.
“You can have that dick! It’s mine!”
Seriously…pay for porn? No way.
I’m sure theres no correlation between low sales in the porn industry AND ALL THE ONLINE WEBSITES THAT OFFER PORN, INSTANTLY FROM HOME.
Idiots.
What I’d like to know is are the Porn fucks going after the Torrent sites or Torrent users?
does that mean they are going to take down non-piracy free porn videos too like seen on efukt.com I mean… I dont download videos and what not… I just watch the 2 to 4 minute videos and go on with my music and movie downloads/uploads as usual. I think its just another group of “big wigz” that got payed off by the Anti-piracy groups to try and assist their cause.
Guy above, that is the best thing to have ever been said. “I just watch the 2 to 4 minute videos”, so crass, yet so so true.
As someone who works in the industry, I can say that we have notice a large dip in signups compared to a few years ago. This is a problem and does take money away from the industry. What people don’t understand is that our companies drive innovation in the internet world. Without porn, the internet would be much more basic than it is these days. Who do you think created the business model that most internet based companies work on? The other problem here is that we are not “mom and pop” companies being run out of basements. We work in the office beside you, we eat lunch with you and buy cars from you. The larger companies have lots of employees from programmers to designers to sales people to marketing people, and then there are the filmers, producers, models, lighting people, editors, directors, etc. You think you know, but I assure you that you do not. We are the biggest game in town on the internet. bandwidth would not be as cheap if it wasn’t for us and I can assure you that you tube wouldn’t even be an option right now if it wasn’t for porn. So what? I’m not telling you to buy it if you don’t want to…but don’t laugh in our face and pretend you know what you are talking about because as I said before…I can assure you that you do not.
One big mumbo jumbo. all affiliates are anyway getting traffic in non-kosher ways like spamming and other wicked stuff. they all sell content by banners or mailers and both sides are happy.
i think someone here is jealous, bored or frustrated, looking for some juice and cheesy filth. lets leave them alone – torrents, pirates, spammers, affiliates, myspace junkers – these guys are getting the lowest profits on the chain anyway.. plus you can never stop them – they’ll always come and go.
lets combine forces and kick some bigger asses here – distributors who doesn’t pay, pirate DVD factories here in the USA!! their distributors, sellers and the list is long!
“You think you know, but I assure you that you do not.”
No, many people do know and don’t care. And the ones who don’t know probably care even less about what happens to pornographers.
Porn is not the only entertainment industry taking a beating these days but, unfortunately for porn, it is viewed as among the most disposable. Many people just want to wank to their 3-4 minute looped clips of porn and, when they’re done, stop thinking about it. Bittorent and the latest crop of free porn sites in the wake of YouTube are, for the first time, providing the masses with a means to do that.
Years ago, the most hardcare porn addicts would buy DVDs and join sites and stuff but now many want to just download, satisfy their urges and forget all about it and go on with their lives. Buy porn? Build a DVD collection? Generation Next has been raised to barely collect anything but a bunch of files on hard drives.
Now the YouTube style porn sites are a bigger threat to the Porn industry than bittorrent. Bittorrent takes a little effort and work to do, the quality is very high but there’s waiting, sometimes you don’t even want the quality — redtube, youporn provide INSTANT porn on demand and the quality isn’t that bad anymore. Bittorrent is a hassle compared to these services. You don’t even need to bother to collect, manage or burn the porn files now, they’re just sitting there online anytime you want them.
When the selection of files is gigantic, when you’re choosing from not hundreds of thousands of movies but hundreds of thousands of movies, the YouTube clone sites will dominate the industry.
“What people don’t understand is that our companies drive innovation in the internet world.”
Porn played a gigantic role in expanding the Internet but like most entertainment industries, porn needs to change with the times and find a new business model. Porn will continue to drive innovation but if the established porn producers don’t rethink their strategies and realize that the masses want quality, free porn on demand, sites like redtube, youporn etc. will be the only ones moving forward, innovating and making money.
Right now, Joe Jerkoff with a short attention span wants his acceptable quality, free, on-demand, jerk-and-forget-it 3-4 minute videos. Supply them or get out of the game.
I say pirate everything you can – music, software, films, games. Don’t even do it to make a few bucks, just charge people for the cost of the blank discs. Two hundred CD’s ripped to MP3 at 192 Kbs(CD quality) will fit on 5 blank DVD’s – if you start doing that you’ll really hurt the RIAA, MPAA, etc.
And pornographers are the lowest form of life on the planet, I hope they all die of A.I.D.S
@InTheKnow
You can wine all you want about how the porn industry changed the internet etc. but the fact is people don’t care.
Do you expect people to feel sorry for the porn industry? like someone else mentioned, porn is seen as disposable. The is no real value to porn if I can’t get it free I just won’t buy it. But the fact is I can get it free so I do.
If a person is presented with two options
a) obtain it free
b) pay for it
They will no doubt go for the free stuff. Even if you destroyed all the porn on bittorrent it wouldn’t make a difference. There are free video sites and not only that but any idiot out there can make porn. It doesn’t require any skill or special equipment, so forgive me if I don’t have any respect for your profession.
You’re all right. You can’t stop torrent sites. However, you sure as fuck can sue the shit out of a torrent user, and even multiple users. Hmm… Here’s a quick outline… User downloads free porn from torrent site. User is tracked via their IP address (even through anon proxies this can be done… don’t kid yourself.). Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served. Did you know that posession of 1 instance of pirated video / film is subject to over $150,000.00 in fines? WOW. I guess you’re all billionares, because when the industry hits you, it won’t be a love tap, we’ll knock you the fuck out. K.O. Bitches! Wait for it. It’s coming.
This is going to be fun. :)
@InTheKnow
Porn didn’t innovate half as much as is made out.
Porn paid for massively centralized content delivery systems, something that any industry could have created.
Pirates developed a much more efficient method with data passing from person to person, site to site.
Apart from the delivery, porn sites also like to centralize the billing.
Nobody wants to purchase “Big D*cked Gays” to go with their “Redhead Teens” at $50/month, but apparently this is innovation.
Porn drove pay per click banners and spam by the bucket load, things that are almost universally hated.
Others developed peer based systems of recommendation and word of mouth (digg, stumbleupon etc) to get the word out.
Porn sites love the idea of repeated billing for monthly access, while others are driving micropayment systems for one time access.
Repeated monthly billing is nothing new on the net, it’s been around since the first ISPs.
Here’s some free innovation for you: Offer specific video clips at 50 cents.
Porn sites distribute tired and indistinguishable content, while others are using the net to get genuinly new content put out.
Short films, literature, music, even genuine amateur porn (unlike the “professional” amateur stuff, with faces we’ve all seen a million times).
Along with the centralized delivery, it can often be seen that there’s actually centralized content with many sites sharing the same video from exactly the same source.
Not in the form of affiliate links (another annoying thing driven by porn) but as complete sites all claiming original content.
What porn did was to pour money into the net from the early years.
Providing money is not the same as innovating. Taking any new technology and applying cash and boobs to it is not innovation.
More innovation was driven by the want of free porn than was ever driven by the want of paying for porn.
BTW, the underlying innovation of the whole net was driven first by the miltary, then by acadmics, all before porn ever got a look in.
[quote comment="163184"]You’re all right. You can’t stop torrent sites. However, you sure as fuck can sue the shit out of a torrent user, and even multiple users. Hmm… Here’s a quick outline… User downloads free porn from torrent site. User is tracked via their IP address (even through anon proxies this can be done… don’t kid yourself.).[/quote]
Yeah, right.
I run my own proxy to which I give friends access.
I keep all log files in a folder called /dev/null
Unless you can subpoena every single bandwidth provider who carried a connection in to that server, you can’t do jack.
Even if you can pull that many subpoenas, you’ll have a hard time using any of it as conclusive proof in court.
[quote comment="163184"]Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit.[/quote]
No, an ISP is only required to give out that info when a John Doe warrent is issued.
In case you haven’t read anything for the past 6 months, John Doe warrents are getting incresingly hard to obtain against ISPs in many countries.
[quote comment="163184"]User is located and served. Did you know that posession of 1 instance of pirated video / film is subject to over $150,000.00 in fines? WOW. I guess you’re all billionares, because when the industry hits you, it won’t be a love tap, we’ll knock you the fuck out. K.O. Bitches![/quote]
Yeah, because of course everyone will be subject not only to the laws of the U.S, but also to the maximum penalty.
Even “Operation D-Elite” only netted $6000 in fines from 2 people and that was for sharing a Starwars movie. “Stick it in my ass #27″ is not likely to get anywhere near the awards in damages.
[quote comment="163184"]Wait for it. It’s coming.
This is going to be fun. :)[/quote]
It sure wil be, idiots with bad lawsuits are always fun :P
@James:
That’s a brilliant assessment.
The era when the ones controlling the distribution channel would tell the masses what to consume is long over.
You have to give people what they want for prices they are willing to pay. On-demand, HD, free quick videos, Collectors Editions, DRM-free, etc.
One-size fits all isn’t gonna cut it anymore. The industry won’t be able to sue their way back to the old days.
i 2nd x’s assessment of @james assessment, althouth agree more with system’s evaluation of porns “real” contribution to the internet as just a major money vehicle.
i also applaud his (system’s) mack down of death to torrent’s delusional assertions about how the porno companys can “sue the fuck out of” bt downloaders. such praticalities are not so easy in reality. i am always amazed the lack of knowlegde of how broadband isps use dhcp and radius to manage their end user’s internet access.
btw:
civially it’s a ‘john doe subpoena’
criminally (law enforcement), such a subpoena could be considered a “warrant”
regardless, they are becoming harder and harder to enforce…just ask the riaa. i can only immagine how resistant the isps will be at doing the porn industry’s bidding with any attempt to enforce such subpoenas by giving up actual customer personal data, vs. merely passing on a C&D; which is an anonmoys process to the rightsholder or it representative. there’s alot more consideration for protecting individual privacy when it comes to such matters. mainstream content is one thing…spank material is something else altogether. can you say safe harbor?
Somehow I don’t really care about the porn industry’s profits. I don’t mind porn, but of all the non-essential industries, porn should be up there.
I also believe that piracy is not 100% harmful to producers, etc. who are “feeling the pinch” (Welcome to the rest of our lives, where we feel the pinch every damn day partly because industrial entertainment costs unreasonable amounts). The bare truth is every downloaded movie does not equal a lost sale. So they aren’t technically LOSING money, but they are GAINING exposure.
MAYBE, just MAYBE, if you put out decent products and movies that consumers can ENJOY, not just pass time with, we wouldn’t have to download them just to make sure we aren’t wasting 10 bucks on a movie. Don’t kid yourselves – more than half of modern media products aren’t even worth the costs of powering my computer and modem to download them.
I understand other arguments, but I think these established industries are going to HAVE to suffer, that is if we are to resurrect what I believe to be the fundamental notion that businesses exist primarily to provide DECENT and DESIRED services to the consumer. They should not be telling us what we like, and trying to manufacture new fads and “sub-cultures”.
If industries can really get so rooted that we have to bear their burdens to keep them afloat, maybe we should consider where our future lies before we’re buying music we don’t like just to prevent an industrial implosion.
These are just ideas, and are not meant in any way to berate or trivialize any one else’s beliefs. I do not claim to know all and I read all criticisms with the intent of gaining some insight. As long as you’re not an ass about it.
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I would think that the last thing the Porn industry would want is to draw National attention to itself.
Before 9/11 it was John Ashcrofts agenda to take down the porn industry in America. If the Indusrty files suite against downloaders then it is my belief that such a suite would only serve as a reminder to our ever increasingly anal attorney Genral’s office to tackle the porn indusrty.
I think instead of filing lawsuits at the risk of self-destruction the Industry would be better served in bridging the gap between free and pay porn, this can be done through paid sponsors and a fixed download price such as itunes provides.
Also if they (the porn industry) ever delivered half as much as they promised. Then pirating would most likely not be such a big issue today. Can anyone here who buys porn actualy say that they loved throwing away $50.00 or more on a crap movie?
The idustries poor quality control on things such as film quality, the quality of the models and just the over feal of the movie has been and will continue to be it’s own decay / downfall and serve to drive more paying customers to seek out free sources.
IMO they should clean thier own house up first.
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I believe the best thing the porn industry could possibly do right now would be to become an active contributer on the file sharing networks.
With the use of special web-based encryption and activation they could prevent mis-use and enable previews, advertisements, etc. They should be leveraging the file sharing networks as a marketing tool. This will make everyone happy. And TRUE – hard work deserves to be paid for. This will raise the demand of quality and possibly push the porn industry into the next phase… I’d have to look at some numbers to really say for sure but there is always room for improvement and this is one thing they DEFINITELY should improve on. They would have to put thousands of videos on the network to saturate the listings and gain exposure – but why not make that something they need to work for anyway? This will create jobs and bring even more money into the porn industry.
Technology is moving along so fast – SO much is happening in such a short period of time… going to mobile platforms and spreading all kinds of web based media to hundreds of channels. There is a lot of money to be made with the right contracts, partnerships and agreements… I think someone in the porn industry needs to step it up a little bit.
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