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Publishing Locations Of Pirate Movies Is The Same As Hosting Them

A movie studio has won a lawsuit against Dutch Usenet community FTD. In a surprising decision, a court reasoned that by allowing the publication of the location of pirate movie stored on Usenet, FTD was effectively publishing the movie as if they had actually hosted it on their own servers.

Earlier, Dutch movie studio Eyeworks applied for a court injunction to stop Usenet community FTD from “making available to the public” their movie Komt een vrouw bij de dokter (A Woman At The Doctor).

In this case the “making available” wasn’t hosting or storing the movie, nor was it offering torrent or NZB links to it either. FTD allows users to report (or ‘spot’) the locations of files which exist on Usenet. It is the publication of this information which Eyeworks was seeking to stop, an activity it believes is tantamount to publishing the movie itself.

In early May the case was heard at a court in The Hague. FTD lost the case and the court issued an ‘ex parte injunction’ (one handed down without any FTD involvement) which banned the site from ‘spotting’ the Eyeworks movie.

Through its lawyer Arnoud Engelfriet, FTD filed an objection on the basis that the provisional measure should not have been issued under Dutch law. That objection was heard and the decision was delivered yesterday – FTD lost again.

“I am flabbergasted by the court’s reasoning,” Engelfriet told TorrentFreak. “It is established caselaw that publishing hyperlinks or torrents (Mininova, Pirate Bay) is *not* the same as a publication. FTD does *less* than what Mininova or Pirate Bay does, but according to the court we are more liable than they are?”

In coming to its decision, the court drew heavily on the earlier Newzbin case.

“They say that FTD is doing the same thing, and since the English courts held Newzbin liable for infringement, FTD must be liable too,” Engelfriet explains. “This completely ignores the technical differences between Newzbin and FTD. Newzbin is an NZB search engine through which you find codes to directly download from Usenet. FTD is a forum where people ‘spot’ movies using messages in ordinary Dutch.”

FTD had argued that it was not guilty of “making available” because copyrighted files on Usenet are not under its control – it does not control the servers and it has no influence over potential downloaders. The court decided that this is irrelevant. What is important, it said, is “whether the behavior of FTD allows users to download copyrighted files (in an easier manner) and thus makes such files available to the public.” The court ruled that it did.

“This is a collaboration between FTD and its users where they knowingly provide access to unauthorized files,” BREIN director Tim Kuik said in a comment. “It’s clear that this is more than just talking about files like FTD wants people to believe.“

In October this year FTD will face another court case. Dutch anti-piracy group BREIN says that FTD “organizes and promotes” Usenet content, most of which is illegal, and wants the entire site shut down.

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  • Hannah

    Coming up next, if you post “Guns can be used to kill people.” you will be charged with murder.

  • EVG

    @#1 Guilty!!!

  • Mr.Smith

    Thats like saying thinking about murder will get you a life sentence.

  • m00

    Too bad you didn’t mention anything about the fact that the judge and the lawyer from Eyeworks do have connections with eachother. The lawyer from Eyeworks is a course leader and the judge is a teacher in the same course. The course is about intellectual property…

  • Anonymous

    @#3 Minority Report…its coming

  • Em

    Lemme guess, the Dutch were also threatened by the americans that they will get WTO-blacklisted unless they comply.

  • Annon

    @#3 Minority Report….its coming

  • Joe Bob

    This is bad news for TPB. They’d been hoping magnet links would absolve them…

  • Liudvikas

    “it said, is “whether the behavior of FTD allows users to download copyrighted files (in an easier manner) and thus makes such files available to the public.””

    Jesus raping christ, Firefox is a better browser than IE, it surely makes it easier to download copyrighted material. Lets ban Firefox.
    Why not ban Internet all together, it sure made copying way easier.

  • total BS

    Can we say a movie sucks or we’ll get sued too for lost profits ??
    This is getting out of control
    total BS

  • anon

    so… me moving my finger to click the mouse is a behavior that allows me to download files in an easier manner than using a keyboard.

    hummmm…

  • kkk

    this makes as much sense as a lawsuit against a newspaper because they published the location of a busted meth lab.

  • Dr. Bit

    I know a guy in the phonebook that sell’s cocain OMG???
    (Now police raid the phonebook company!).

  • Brandon

    Everyday these stupid judges keep passing more stupider laws…

    Laws are meant to be broken anyway…

  • Bitsnoop.com

    Wow, just wow!

    Seems like Dutch legal system is screwed just beyond any reason.

  • anonymous

    why not just do as the entertainment industry wants. either hand over complete control of the internet to them or shut the entire fu**ing thing down (preferably the latter)!! go back to the ’70s and remind the world what it was like without it. the way things are going, it isn’t going to be worth a toss anyway! no one will be able to post anything on it, or if something is posted, no one will be able to look for it let alone read or discuss it if accidently found! and as for downloading something? capital crime! off with his head!!

  • Acce

    No more hands, no more downloads.

  • tellmemore

    the judged seem to know the advocates of Eyework very well according to geenstijl
    http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2010/06/rechter_in_zaak_ftd_vriendje_v.html
    They give workshops together on the theme of intellectual property!
    http://twitpic.com/1tb50b
    Ow what a coincidence…..

  • Henry Rouhivuori (PPSE)

    Now providing bandwidth to The Pirate Bay is _perhaps_ illegal in Sweden. We doesnt know yet. The issue is not in Högsta Domstolen yet.

    If the lobby are stupid enough to bring Piratpartiet to court then the elections in september this year would be interesting in hyperscale.

    Henry Pirat

  • bart marinissen

    I am dutch, and i feel i can be proud of that…

    does this have anything to do with my pride? at all?

    NO

    from what I read here this is mostly the result of lobbying, the case isn’t publicized here at all. Nor is piracy a hot topic in the mainstream media. In fact for as far as I know I it hasn’t recently come up at all, and that is with election day within less then a week away!

    in short, this case completely flew under the radar.

  • Pirate Ninja

    Conflict of interest? Bias? You bet and it’s all part of their plan for injustice.

  • Mr. Goobers splooged in the fruit punch!

    Wow, I’m glad this didn’t happen in the USA.

    If it did, there would be the usual onslaught of Euro-trash morons crying about how terrible America is – while at the same time, they would continue downloading 99% of Hollywood’s garbage “entertainment.”

    Way to fail, Dutchtards hahaha…

  • Yarrr Matey!!

    Eyeworks produce mostly shows that fit in the “reality-TV” genre.

    That a company that produces such cheap, nasty crap has any power in court (albeit through special interests) is a disgrace.

    We should honor these asshole companies by torrenting a videography of their products. A torrent full of everything of theirs to distribute and consequently devalue intentionally… unfortunately in this case though, it would be mostly full of the lamest TV shows around.

    Eyeworks are cheap, lame and tacky … entertainment for the brain-dead, mostly.

  • |\_/~~~~\_/|

    The fundamental problem is the fact that ‘law’ and ‘court of law’ is just pure bullshit created to control action of people. Just look at the lawmakers in various countries around the world. They are just people. Wast majority stupid, ignorant, greedy, corrupt muppets with no wisdom. Therefore these laws needs to be laughed at and widely ignored. Oh fuck, I dream of society where laws would be abolished and together with any and all kinds of religion seen as obsolete relics from ancient past. Where ideas about such bullshit as intellectual property would not even occur in anyone’s head. But then again if you wanna be realistic, for that to happen, the vast majority of humankind will have to go. We’ve been here 100 000 years, maybe a little more and sometimes I just keep wondering if our species will ever be able to evolve a little beyond this bullshit level we’ve been at, especially for last cca. 5000 years. What do you think fellas? :)

  • Anonymous

    #19

    Very clever media stunt! Impressive if it works.

    Kudos from PPDK

  • T

    It’s not the same thing, but it has the same effect: publishing and encouraging piracy.

  • TerribleTony

    They’ve been smoking the good stuff again I see.

  • Yellow Sheild

    Umm posting links is not the same as hosting the material.

    Perhaps in Dutch la la land do such blatant idiots get things so mixed up.

  • TerribleTony

    #8 how is this bad news for TPB? Like they care anymore.

  • QuadSlacker1313

    All irrelevant once ACTA goes into effect.

  • Mark

    #20 Made some great points.

    Piracy/torrents/downloading is kept low and hush hush by the media including the US. We never hear anything about it. Thankfully the internet is not corporate controlled and we have sites like Torrentfreak and formerly Consumerist(Owned by Consumer Reports now) to report on these shenanigans.

    IT seems it’s rich vs poor, public vs government, big vs small, deception and lies by corps vs truth and facts by the free public.

    Tough what is the next step? How to we defeat those in change is the question?

  • Hal

    Good bye freedom of speech hello Big Brother

  • Hal

    Good bye freedom of speech hello Big Brother

  • Phoenix

    we allowed big brother to own our lives in exchange for security !
    thats what we get and we deserve it .

  • tightasa

    How long before this site is closed because it allows people to discuss “something” which may be construed by “someone” to infringe on “anything”.This is in effect an arbitrary attempt to kill freedom of speech.

  • zapps

    This is like saying if I tell you where to buy illegal drugs, it’s as bad as selling you them myself.

    Actually, it’s worse than that. If I provide the place where others tell you where to buy illegal drugs, I might as well sell you them myself.

  • Egomaniacal

    So what i just post a hash value?

    Is that particular 32-64 hexadecimal combination suddenly illegal?
    What if my vacation video happens to one day give me the exact same hash as somebody’s pirated content?

    Oh lawdy, I don’t feel too safes on deez heur internetz no mo’

  • fs

    also today eff is trying to break down gigantic p2p lawsuits in the usa; source: http://www.activepolitic.com/2/News/06-03.html#Internet

  • ***–DZ_ZD–***

    So reading about them on MAFFIA’ sites will be the same as hosting them too ?!

  • Trelew

    Another political show trial brought to you by corrupt governments, bought off judges, and the number 5.

    Seriously, just pointing to where something is can be considered a crime?!? What kind of frelled up thinking is that?

    We might as well do away with the facade of a just society. This is a society run by corporate elite, where power and profit are religious watch words. Where a person is nothing more than something to be abuse on the altar of corporate greed.

  • th3x

    i can see… sweden bent over and big brother standing right behind

  • m3
  • Momba

    Next headline:
    Thinking about pirating movies is the same as downloading them!

  • Pete

    Linking to torrents isn’t the same though, because it’s the location of the torrent not the movie.

    But I can see this law being bought also. Judges are people too and need money.

    I think the best thing is to kneecap the head of these anti-piracy places. That will make the next guy think twice about taking such a position.

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  • Busted!

    Fuck! I just mentioned a new bluray release on my blog.
    I also linked to a place where people could do a search for the movie.

    I better turn myself in, maybe i can cut a deal before its to late.

  • BULLSHIT

    People should starting to think.
    Is the same as if I tell you where to buy drugs.
    So do I also go to prison?

    Such a bulshit.

  • a guy

    For some interesting reason all the Scandinavian and other socially developed countries implement harsh anti-piracy tactics. And internet teenagers (here) call them a fascist ones. People – it’s a god damn copyright. I bet you wouldn’t like to live in some copyright-free land Colombia, Brazil or any other Latin-America country. You’d get killed pretty soon. ;)

  • jumping ship

    so then. Is Torrent Freak hosting illegal data if it publishes information about filesharing?

  • Whatever

    @18
    Corruption rules (thanks for the link)

    The worst thing is that those criminals (judge+lawyer)put in places where it is important to be impartial NEVER get prosecuted.

    They call this ‘Conflict of interest’. A word to disguise that they are corrupt/criminals so it sounds less of a crime.

    I wonder if the rest of the world would get away with ‘conflict of interest’ at work (politicians do).

  • TPBGirl

    So the MPAA can sue my electric company because they power my PC that downloads a mp3 or a movie? This is what the Internet is coming to? Now on the flip side…Hillary Clinton is FOR Internet Freedom. She doesnt believe in blocking websites. Well in her speach to China that is. lol

    Jan 2010 Hillary Clinton: “Internet Freedom Is Crucial” http://goo.gl/qtWW

    So gov wants China to unblock websites but its ok for MPAA to FORCE international websites to block U.S. IPs!

    Example: http://isohunt.com/

    Our gov preaches to countries about freedom while they take away OUR FREEDOM. I rest my case. We live in a fucked up society. Hypocrites.

    How the MPAA/Hollywood can get away with all off this crap, I’ll never know.

  • Ettore

    So, if my local news reports on a fire downtown and someone goes down there to “help” and gets themselves killed, the news station is at fault for them dying because they indicated where the fire is that they killed themselves with?

    Maybe my parallel is poop, but it sure sounds about the same to me.

  • *D

    Quoting:
    “Earlier, Dutch movie studio Eyeworks applied for a court injunction to stop Usenet community FTD from “making available to the public” their movie”

    What a bunch of amateuers the company and the judge are.

    Why bother with the small details?
    You should file and injuction for them to stop breathing.
    And there you have it, problem solved

    Now drop dead everyone :D

    LMFAO!!

  • Jeff

    @ #3 (and #5) – forget Minority Report/Precrime, whatever. Long before that movie came out, George Orwell coined a word that describes this situation perfectly: thoughtcrime.

  • 12312324

    Everyone listen up you can download copyrighted movies from piratebay!

    Oh crap…. sorry torrentfreak, now that ive said that your site should be shutdown!
    Man what a stupid court ruling.

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  • Anonymous

    Looks like the MAFIAA has bought out the NL courts. Time to move the sites to another country.

  • SmellyNelly

    Sooo happy I’m not from any of the Nordic states! The Nazi influence from the 40′s has apparently rubbed off and remained there to this day.

    Very very sad. Too bad.

  • Sir Plopalot

    That isn’t how FTD worked. Members posted the content on usenet themselves with the word FTD and a reference number in the subject header. Then they told other members about it.

    They were basically using usenet as a sort of big Rapidshare storage space, after they got kicked out of their ISP’s internal groups for doing it. They weren’t just reporting files that they found, they were generating that content.

  • Unsatisfied Customer

    This is just stupid…

  • King Kong

    Brein is once again kicking some pirate ass! : (

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  • Mbb

    And I thought that in my country everything was legal :(, we only have the weed and prostitutes left

  • Soro

    Torrent Freak is next. Accessing this site FACILITATES downloads!

  • Pico

    Next, selling knives in stores is the same as killing people

  • EV

    Guys. You can buy Coca Cola at your local convenience store. I expect payment of $1.50 in my paypal. Thank oyu.

  • Gozza

    Would be cool if TF posted a list of who to vote for at next weeks dutch elections to support the pirate mindset (‘cept for the dutch pirate party <– not good). Cuz copyright and intellectual property is completely a non-issue in the debates. Even though this is the only reason for me to vote.

  • Yarrr Matey!!

    BREIN is achieving nothing except making profit from providing the industry with a placebo…

    They are cutting off the head of a hydra only for it to grow another… and they are charging for this waste of time and effort… time and effort that is being spent alienating consumers.

    The only people being hurt are artists and legitimate consumers… and of course an industry which is becoming more about lawyers than it is about art.

    They redefine law through blackmail/bribery/special interests and besides profit for Kuik and the BREIN morons, it achieves next to nothing.

  • Anonymous

    “The court” mean a stupid judge.

    Who care about “The court” these days. Since we now know that we can no longer expect justice from “The court” from now on we are ignoring “the court” and rendering justice ourselves.

    Our first verdict is the destruction of all the big nasty corporations of parasites enemies of the people for the benefit of the very few, starting with the bank and the entertainment industry.

  • Captain Morgan

    “Brein is once again kicking some pirate ass!”

    FTD are no pirate you morons!

    This does not affect us.

  • Anonymous

    Shutting down sites that index usenet is creating only a very minor inconvenience for its users. I rarely used any of these sites in the first place.

  • Anonymous

    You can get Netflix for 10 dollars a month,and record all the movies you want.You can record all your cable premium,basic ect,and put that on dvd’s.lets shut down the cable companys,and Netflix because Hollywood and all the other F-wads feel its invasive on there profits.We have to make a stand people!!Hey Torrent Freak,Why dont you report waht we can do to fight instead of reporting all these bs attempts against us.You can do both,and you have a great base to start!

  • gorehound

    more stupidity.glad that i have not bought one new dvd/blu-ray from hollywood for almost a year now.they have lost me a s a customer and i am never goin back.

    buyin used all the time !!!

  • Jo dneey

    Wow, now that the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. What a joke.

  • anOPINIONATEDsob

    the dutch proved their inept version of law and that begot us a Van der sloot and some very dead little girls. Why should we be surprised by some very right wing view of the internet?

  • Where are the hacker groups

    With botnet powers? Lend us a hand guys!

    Fuck up the program for these greedy fucking motherfucks. :D

  • Alex
  • Grrcub

    So if I publish the address to my local library online with the movies they have available would that be against the law? Apparently so!

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  • Anonymous

    @11 Nice Thinking :0

    2nd, If I ever come across that Tim Kuik, no kidding, I’ll kick him in the nuts !!

    And the chance isnt that small either ;)

  • ubetido

    “Tough what is the next step? How to we defeat those in change is the question?”

    Answer; You can’t, most money ALWAYS wins no matter what.

  • SmellyNelly

    One would think that the Dutch–of all people, would be the least likely to be Natzi’s. But, as it turns out…

  • Looking ahead

    To those who talks about taking a moral stand: remember if you BUY anything from the companies that are represented here you are subsidizing and agreeing to these kinds of witch-hunts. Therefor the only morally right action is to never buy, only pirate.

  • Lazer

    Oh god, people need to stop whinging. I love me some free movies as much as the next girl, but at the end of the day distributing pirated movies is distributing stolen content and promoting theft. It sure as hell SHOULD be illegal. Quit getting your panties in a knot because courts are making it a little harder for us to steal other people’s property. The guys selling pirated DVDs on the side of the road in Bali may not have burned those DVDs or recorded that footage with their camcorders in some cinema, but in the end they’re distributing stolen goods. What do you expect companies and courts to do? Roll over because you’re just posting a LINK to a pirated movie so people can steal it instead of hosting it? Grow up.

  • Basher

    @Lazer

    Grow up, get smart and stay smart. If you don’t understand the difference between stealing and copying I suggest a lobotomy or even better, act upon your conscience. Otherwise you’re just another hypocritical wanker yelling “thieves” from behind the fence because of his own guilty conscience. Seriously, stop downloading shit! If your brains says pirating is wrong, don’t do it. You’re not smart, you’re jus an immoral idiot and you know it.

  • Enslaved American

    To the Dutch citizens:

    Foreign (American) corporations are clearly more powerful in your country than your country’s own courts. You pitiful weaklings deserve your sorry fate.

    We know what that’s like here in America, and also most of Western Europe. However now, our American “Intellectual Property” disease has spread into Northern Europe as well.

    MISERY LOVES COMPANY!!!!

    Sucks to be you.

    You will not escape our influence because they have too much money. Over time, our corporations can rewrite your laws and work your courts like puppets. We have the money and power to do this because guess what? You lent it to us!

    “Intellectual Property” is just one of many fronts our corporate minions are advancing on. This court case may be a milestone, but it will soon be a “millstone” to hang around the neck of all Dutch citizens and enslave you little by little. You will do our corporations’ bidding.

    Your high standard of living is doomed, and we will bring you down to our level.

    Our American corporations will extract every last bit of value and freedom from your lives and it is your own fault for letting it happen.

    You didn’t think it could happen in your country, but it is happening now. This has been in progress for some time. Our corporations always prevail.

    It’s basic thermodynamics, that entropy increases. Just as an ice cube in a glass of water will melt, so also will your superior nearly-utopian country become just like every other suffering, corporate-ruled serfdom on this planet.

  • Abbernomad

    @24
    The law is meant to keep the wolves at bay.

  • Anonymous

    So this makes showing footage of an actual crime being committed the same as actually committing the crime?

  • Bad_Mojo

    In the Navy, the shore patrol published and posted on a bulletin board an Off limits list, which was a list of bars and night clubs they felt were too rowdy.

    It is of course where everybody beelined for as soon as they got out the gate.

    same as it ever was, same as it ever was jeesh.

  • Lazer

    @Basher
    First, learn what a hypocrite actually is – I’m not the one with the “holier than thou” attitude here. Maybe you should actually read my comment properly before jumping down my throat – you might notice that I said “us”, myself included, in it. Yeah, STEALING movies is wrong. And yeah, “copying” a movie that does not belong to you instead of dishing out a few bucks to buy or rent it is stealing. Obviously stealing physical goods is not the same as stealing non-physical property. If you think that copying movie someone spent thousands of dollars creating isn’t thievery you really are an idiot. And as I already SAID, I like free movies as much as anyone but that does not mean what you or I or the rest of US (there’s that word again, just in case you decided to skip over it this time, too) are doing is right and that courts should roll over and play dead while thieves continue to steal. Go whine about how horrible the courts and corporations are for trying to make you pay to use other people’s property some more. Waste some more of your time. Rob a bank while you’re at it.

  • *D

    Awww… there’s a mafia troll hiar :P

    It’s not “stealing” fool, it’s Sharing.

    please continue on with your Bawwwww
    hahaha

  • Lazer

    Awww yes, downloading something someone spent thousands of dollars to create is “sharing”. Are YOU going to make movies like Avatar when the film companies go out of business? What are you going to “share” when there are no big budget films anymore? Indies and home made movies of your mom?

  • *D

    ah “the your mom” line
    low class troll is low class
    LMAO

  • Lazer

    You’re so great at this, I can see you’ve had lots of practice talking about this stuff. That pointless comment really made your pro-piracy point.

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  • ILikeFreeStuff

    Dis sucks! I wanna get free stuff…itz mah right as an ammerrican! Gimmiegimmiegimmie is how i roll, bitches!!! I deserves it alz fur free cuz im special!!!

  • Anonymous

    “Are YOU going to make movies like Avatar when the film companies go out of business?”

    PARASITE!

    We want all the corporations of parasites such as the one you are working for right now out of business before they destroy our democracies. You are a pack of parasites criminals and terrorists and we don’t negotiate with terrorists.

  • Anonymous

    @87

    Aavatar isn’t worth sharing.

  • me

    Lazer – I think most of us are against stealing of movies, but most of us are also against the movie companies attitude to this stealing.

    Rather than adapt to new technology and use it to their advantage, at the same time giving their customers a better service they instead choose the option of forcing through new laws and threatening (often innocent)people in order to maintain their outdated business models.

    Because of this more people choose to rebel and steal as oposed to going along with the industrys every demand.

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  • Yarrr Matey!!

    @Lazer – The way you’re carrying on it’s as if you live in a fantasy world where Avatar didn’t make over $200million profit!

    When losses are obvious and the industry seems to be hurting (rather than playing the victim, making alarmists statements based on highly questionable figures as evidence), maybe we’ll listen, but until then it seems that the sue-them-all campaigns will only alienate consumers.

    I used to download to review and then purchase DVDs that I felt had replay value (In particular, I would often buy DVDs as presents for people’s birthdays, etc.) – Unfortunately, the MPAA’s efforts have meant I only continue one of those habits.

    I now boycott them as I do not wish to fund attacks against consumers and I do not wish to fund lobbyists who will bribe and blackmail to get a nation’s laws re-written to suit the agenda of global corporations against the interests of that nation’s people. I refuse to support acts that I see as fascist, the MPAs global lobbying efforts are fascism in action.

  • Yarrr Matey!!

    ^ sorry, $2.2 BILLION, not $200 million.

    Budget: $300m-$500m
    Profit: $2,200m
    (quadrupling the investment before the DVD is even released!!)

    Yeah, yeah, copyright infringement is destroying the industry – of course we believe you!!

  • ILikeFreeStuff

    I specully likes to steel frum smal indie filmakerz, cuz dem bitchs bez jez fueled wit dat idealism and they be trippin G! GIMMIEGIMMIEGIMMIE!!!

    All yoiur art are belong to MEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

  • lol

    heck

    at first i thought it read: “all your yogurts belongz to meee!”

    :P

    on topic:
    better have Mafiaa believe they’re actually winning this
    In reality, they’re trying to fight a tsunami with a bucket that’s full of holes :)

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  • Anonymous

    “Justice” in this system is about the one with the bigger pockets. Go Anon p2p.

  • the united hackers association

    in Canada we see the COMMON sense approach

    any link to potential infringing material is the person visiting the links responsibility

    THAT does mean torrent sites would be legal and thats a supreme court decision that the new copyright bill also decides to step on ….

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  • Shaun

    Filesharing

  • Shaun

    Oh, sorry, was not sure how to send a comment/reply

    File sharing is just a small part in the question of how we want the internet to be, and it’s taking far to much room.
    But the way it handles, it’s clear that money is the puppet master.
    I’m pro capitalism, but this is just corruption.
    The less the politicians have to say, the more the peoples influence (to a point).

  • after 15 years online

    The internet now officially sucks.

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  • Pizza

    Please TF look at this:
    http://rickfalkvinge.se/2010/06/07/corruption-in-dutch-copyright-court/

    “So not only were the judge and the Lobby’s lawyer personally acquainted, they actually work together and are financially dependent on strong copyright in a common business. If there ever was corruption in a court case… I can’t think of anything making it worse short of the Lobby lawyer actually paying the judge during the trial”

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  • Proud Pirate

    @Lazer,

    you are right, we all steal a movie when we download it, some of us admit to it some don’t.

    But the Mafiaa’s have to realise they are wrong also, they need to change the way they do business.
    Every year lots more people learn how to pirate the longer thay take the bigger the problem becomes.

    THEY should make movies available online for a reasonable price (couple of dollars) if it is earlier enough who would download a cam? no-one. 1 month after cinema release to the whole world would work. People that never go to cinemas or buy DVD’s, but wait fot it on TV, would download legally, whole new revenue stream.

    The only people that end up with restricted products (DRM) and annoying ads and trailers are the people that actually give them money, how retarded is that.

    I haven’s seen a trailer or FBI warning on a movie for at least 7 years.

    I wouldn’t have bought any of the movies on DVD that I have downloaded
    but i would have rented them, so they have lost no money from.

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  • Farts in the MPAA’s general direction…

    Following that analogy.. posting info about money that fell out of the back of an armored car (money transport vehicle) must be the same as having it?

  • Halfasleep

    The thing I notice more than the specific laws being called on, it the use of a foreign president to set case law . This is far more alarming than the pr5osicution of someone for publishing @spots@ on Usenet content.
    what’s next, using the Limewire case as president against TPB ?

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