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Researchers To Release an Anonymous BitTorrent Client

Researchers at Delft University of Technology have taken up the ambitious challenge of creating a BitTorrent client which secures the privacy of its users. Their Tribler client is already completely decentralized, meaning it will still work even in the event that all BitTorrent sites are shut down. Anonymity is the next big step in its evolution. “We’re going to take Internet privacy to the next level,” the lead researcher says about the upcoming release.

anonBitTorrent users are increasingly looking for more anonymity but right now their options are limited.

For a monthly fee they can sign up with a VPN or proxy to hide their IP-address. Free options with decent speeds or without other restrictions aren’t easily available.

This lack of fast, unlimited and free anonymous BitTorrent options is what the Tribler team at Delft University of Technology are hoping to change. Their Tribler client has been around for more than half a decade already, and during that time it’s developed into the only truly decentralized BitTorrent client out there.

Unlike traditional BitTorrent clients, Tribler does not rely on central servers or third-party sites. Users can search, download and moderate files from within the application itself, based on pure peer-to-peer communication. Quite a remarkable achievement, but it’s also just the beginning for the research team.

During a talk at the Stanford University this week, Dr. Johan Pouwelse talked about the past and the future of Tribler, announcing the ambitious play to add make BitTorrent transfers more private.

Talking to TorrentFreak, Pouwelse explained that the idea is to add a proxy layer where proxies act as “caches” of content. This can hugely improve downloads speeds, but also makes BitTorrent downloads more private.

“Our goal is to provide all users with the download speed which today can only be found in private BitTorrent communities, combined with the privacy that is currently only offered by paid VPN services,” said Pouwelse.


BitTorrent With a Proxy Layer

tribler proxies

The Tribler team has been perfecting the technology for years and it’s expected to be released in two or three months. Initial tests show that even with the added anonymity, people don’t have to sacrifice speed at all. Quite the contrary.

“Experimental results have shown that the performance of the proposed mechanism is better than that of regular BitTorrent in a large number of scenarios. At the same time, the proxy layer can be used to offer the users a shield of plausible deniability enhancing their privacy,” Pouwelse told us.

With the new code Tribler says it outperforms other clients such as uTorrent in download speeds. Ultimately, the researchers hope to compete with on-demand video services such as YouTube.

“BitTorrent has served us well for 11 years, but modern features such as YouTube-like easy streaming, sharing of your 1 Terabyte harddisk and solid anonymity are needed. The BitTorrent protocol simply does not scale to safe private sharing of 1 Terabyte, which would begin to bridge the gap between the wealth of content on YouTube versus the weak archive capability of BitTorrent.”

Helped by money from European tax payers, the “understaffed” team say they are now at a point where Tribler can compete with some of the fastest centralized services. Their P2P streaming technology is currently under consideration to become an official Internet standard and is being actively tested by major broadcasting companies including the BBC.

The Tribler proxy layer is expected to be implemented this fall, but those who want to give the current version of Tribler a spin are welcome download it here. The client is completely Open Source and has a version for Windows, Mac and Linux.

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  • http://twitter.com/FreePSDFinder FreePSDFinder

    WOOOOHOOOO Heaven!!!! :) Thanks so much bittorrent!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5CXEXWPXSXEICQUY4KV5WRZ65M Hello

      I’ll wait until it actually works before breaking out the poppers and bubbly.

      • Anonymous

        Its pretty much interesting that anyone can make 4000$ within a week, have you ever seen this web address====>> ?????? http://getitmust.blogspot.com/m

      • Anonymous

        my buddy’s mother got paid $21508 the previous week. she is making money on the internet and bought a $386500 house. All she did was get fortunate and put into work the instructions explained on this web site===>> ?????? http://enternet-Job.blogspot.com

      • Anonymous

        my roomate’s ex-wife brought home $19224 the previous month. she is making income on the internet and moved in a $491500 condo. All she did was get lucky and try the instructions laid out on this web page===>> ?????? http://enternet-Job.blogspot.com

      • Anonymous

        my co-worker’s sister got paid $21912 the previous week. she gets paid on the internet and got a $416800 house. All she did was get fortunate and put into action the steps given on this link===>> ?????? http://workoverenternet.blogspot.com

        • Anonymous

          I sell my ejaculate as wood glue to poor art students.  So, there’s that.  

      • http://lazycash1.com/ Anonymous

        my buddy’s sister-in-law made $18108 a month ago. she worrks on the internet and bought a $525400 condo. All she did was get blessed and put into action the instructions given on this website 

        ?????? (Click At My Name For Link)

      • Manager

        I am using it right now. it works very quickly. Much faster than previous torrent clients, and it lets you play back a video early, before it finishes downloading. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/newton.antony Newton Antony

      if they want to still really find u they will, any flow of data back and forth can be traced no matter ur vpn or public proxy

      • Zookeeper

        Warning. Do not feed this troll. We will need to starve him of the comments that he wishes to see.

        Also nope.

        • Emahwrnd

          He’s no troll you doofus.
          Why not go back to the zoo and guard the monkeys?

          Good Gawd with the noobs here.

        • Tidaltree

           Oh, one can be traced, even when using vpn. But it’s a lot of work getting to know the real ip of the “infringer”. And that costs a lot of money. Beeing expensive to pinpoint is the best shield, one could get for free. So thanx for developing such a nice and easy to use feature, tribbler-team. May you rock heaven and hell with it :)

          (Please excuse my bad usage of english at the moment. I just got up and my brains still not fully functional yet…)

        • http://www.facebook.com/newton.antony Newton Antony

          IF U THINK TOR PROXIES VPN is 100percent ur a idiot , theres a line of hacker n00bs that would differ with u anonymous lulzsec…

      • Gzeurzr

        And by coincidence, would you have any proof ?

    • http://twitter.com/DunlapClare DunlapClare

      just as Amanda implied I am impressed that a single mom able to earn $8482 in 4 weeks on the computer. did you look at this web site  (Click on menu Home more information)   http://goo.gl/BXwbb   

  • Anonymoose

    Did anyone else count the number of proxies in the picture?

    • Aaa

      3 layers of proxies to get to John Doe which so happens to be the same amount Tor uses. It’s a nice idea but you still have to trust the proxy servers. If the first layer of proxy servers is an MAFIAA server then you’ll be screwed.

      • Glib

        Pretty sure at that point they’d be giving you the file, making your transfer possibly legal.  I mean, if they’re providing the file to you, and they own the rights, that seems hardly illegal.

        • netgrazer

           Most of the time they won’t even be providing the entire file, but only a small piece of it. They’d have to own ALL the first proxies to cover every possible route, and piece the thing together to make a case, it seems to me. Anyone know how this works out, legally?

        • Yebadabado

           yes kind of but their argument then is that they provide the file to see who dl/ups it, then claim that they own the rights to it so they can post it publically which then although its legal, it amounts to entrapement. Its kind of how the poliece put w33d on the ground at large places like a dooble or a spiff, then point a camera at it and whoever picks it up they then go arrest you and charge you with posession. I have seen this in Austin Texas on 6th street during the texas relays 2k12.

      • Andrei Robu

        Unless they use multiple layers of encryption :) 

  •   

    Checkmate.

  • Onewayjan-004

    What about BITTHIEF of the ETH in Zuerich Switzerland.  Can be set to download only, not nice for seeders and peers but top!!

    • Anyone

      “download only” is a no-go
      don’t be a selfish bastard

      • Onewayjan-004

        glad to hear from you, policing the net.

        • netgrazer

          Anyone’s right though; you don’t have to add to the swarm’s health, as long as you don’t bring it down, either. There’s no excuse not to use a VPN if you really need to, in a legal sense.

    • US-Gov-Sucks

      Thats not anonymous, you still make a direct connection with the other client.
      You can see these connections by simply running ‘netstat -a’ in a cmd prompt.

      • Onewayjan-004

        True, but you can prevent uploading; where downloading is not illegal you may not be anonymous but you are not in violation with the law.

        • Sdgsddsgsdgsn

           but you are a selfish bastard

        • netgrazer

          You’d also be a selfish dick who’s too cheap to invest a couple bucks in a VPN connection. Besides, being dutch you won’t have to worry that they’re coming for you. Even our MAFIAA said they won’t be targeting small uploaders.

        • Shila

          since when has c0pz, gov, and mafiaa . org went by the law?

      • Lord of the Files

        If the client always uploads via a different proxy node than the ones you’re downloading from, that would make it harder to track people, though not impossible. Even if the copyright agencies ran multiple proxies of their own, it would still be hit or miss. Add in encryption and it becomes even harder. I get the impression from the diagram that speeds should be quite good. Just need to connect to enough proxies to max out your connection.

        • US-Gov-Sucks

          I was talking about BitThief, the comment I replied to.
          BitThief doesnt use proxy connections, it just doesn’t upload or provided info to other clients, aside from whats need to make a connection.

        • Lord of the Files

          at US-Gov-Sucks: You’re right, I made a mistake. For some reason I failed to see your comment wasn’t a root one, but was in fact a reply to Onewayjan-004′s comment about BitThief. You have my sincerest apology! :)

    • Someone

       if you want download only – pay for newsgroups. – otherwise don’t be selfish – the whole point is “Sharing is caring”

      • Kernel Sanders: Panda Raper

        “Sharing is caring” agreed.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/5CXEXWPXSXEICQUY4KV5WRZ65M Hello

          Sharing is caring Sharing is caring Sharing is caring

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  • Recursing

    Isn’t there a newer version here? http://www.tribler.org/trac/wiki/Download

    • FreeBSD

      Tribler 5.9.12
      New: wiki-style channels. Everyone can edit swarmnames and see changes made in real-time, similar to wikipedia. Plus voting, commenting and a discussion area has been added in channels of torrents.

  • Hmm

     anonymous  BitTorrent client plus vpn equals groovy

    • mwhahaha

      Soon you’ll be paying more for d/ling stuff for free than you would just paying for it upfront…

      • Whatever

         Better service has to be paid…

      • har har

        Well… personally, I prefer if people didn’t pirate the MAFIAA’s content.

        On the other hand, if the alternatives are between giving money to people who try to subvert other countries’ laws and legal systems or giving money to VPN providers, I prefer if they give money to VPN providers.

        Problem?

      • Marissa

         shop aroudn for a vpn, no one said u have to have a high prices one

      • Anonymous

        I doubt it. The price of a personal VPN used to be unaffordable. Today, because of the explosively surging demand for such services, the price is down to 5-15€. At the top end of which price range you usually have a choice of multiple servers to use as exit nodes.

        In Sweden as a direct result of recent legislation the amount of encryption/anonymization users has surged from 20,000 in 2006 to an estimated 700,000 now in 2012. With such a market, pricing will not be an issue.

        There are numerous reasons other than filesharing as to why you’d like a VPN. Since the government is registering all traffic data and has a carte blanche surveillance on internet communications I use one for more or less ALL communication. I’ll cheerfully pay the price of a VPN as long as it means i get rid of the snooping stalker hanging over my shoulder and trying to read my mail and newspapers all the damn time.

  • Girossi_88

    tribler has been in development for half a decade and even now it’s only barely useable… they should focus on fixing the current issues before they add new features

  • townie2

    funded by European taxpayers? tested by BBC? there’s gotta be a hook, i can’t see them ( European Governments, BBC) encouraging torrenting.

    • Anonymous

      It is all scientific research of technology. Like most things a BT client is neither good nor bad when it is about how you use it.

      There are many good uses for the BT protocol such as Facebook keep their vast array of servers updated to the many changes using the BitTorrent system. The BBC are also aiming to use it for lawful applications.

      Anonymity and Privacy on the Internet is a major subject including browser tracking, cookies and even BT transfers. To make the BT network anonymous is good thing for Internet users.

      No more trolls. No more court cases. Only share, share and share some more.

      The world is changing and even this week I heard one copyright troll say they would not go after people for the single download. Sharing freely is a good thing when it been copyright that has been wrong all along. Best they save copyright for when money changes hands.

      • Danny

        BBC Iplayer downloads are (or at least used to be) based on a modified bit torrent protocol already.

      • Anonymous

        “The world is changing and even this week I heard one copyright troll say they would not go after people for the single download”

        Do you have a link to the comments made by the troll?  I would like to read that if possible.

      • townie2

         oh, i agree with you Violated0. i know torrenting is used for many legal uses, it just seems to good to be true.

      • Aaa

        You seem to have a good amount of knowledge about Bittorrent. I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction to a pre-made script which lets me connect my web servers together and update them all at the same time (like FB does)?

      • SpybookCiabook

         ”””There are many good uses for the BT protocol such as Facebook keep
        their vast array of servers updated to the many changes using the
        BitTorrent system. The BBC are also aiming to use it for lawful
        applications.

        Anonymity and Privacy on the Internet is a major subject including
        browser tracking, cookies and even BT transfers. To make the BT network
        anonymous is good thing for Internet users.””””

        any spybok usage is bad, but maybe since like most of the worl uses it, it can be benefitial to bittorrent, and even the twitter uses it, or they claim to

        http://www.stfimages.com/?v=HpxTt.jpg
        http://www.stfimages.com/?v=HpxTt.jpg

        spybook/ciabook, build a database of yourself so we can snoop, don””t 4 get to “enable geolocation and post it

    • US-Gov-Sucks

      I suppose you dont like clikcing on the links provided to you in the article???

      http://www.tribler.org/trac/wiki/P2P-Next/19Million-for-P2P

      http://www.p2p-next.org/

    • Zippin2

       you took the words right out of my mouth. I though BBC used P2P at one point but some bastards complained so they got rid of P2P. If so then why would there be intrested in this?

      • Anyone

        bittorrent keeps bandwidthcosts down

    • Anonymous

      Politics is usually a cause of many oxymorons. In Sweden the government is going for broke in orde rto place every citizen under massive and intrusive surveillance.

      And yet, it donates money for the Tor project as part of humanitarian aid. Go figure. In this case the tribler project in itself runs under the venue of IT research so…it’s quite eligible for government grants.

      I’m quite sure some politicians are horrified at this, however.

  • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

    The image really should have indicated “Bo b” as the end user, not Doe

  • Eustachy Kapusta

    welcome few years ago in japan as it looks the same (technology) as winy/share/pd (anonymous japanese p2p clients)

    • Lol

      Go Away Miles

      • FreeBSD

        Miles?

    • Digit

       winy lots ofppl been vd for using it, its not secure, so hopefully not

  • Onewayjan-004

    Overly ambitious by adding a social network component or is the social component a key ingredient.  To me it looks like a poorman’s version of facebook with a torrent client glued on.  Does the man have the ambition to work like the sugarmountain?

    • Bloaxor

      Or does the orange taste like the pears on the moon trees?

    • FreeBSD

      How are you proposing that torrents be verified then? ppl need to exchange info about the torrent; malware, fakez, etc.

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    Tribler keeps me wondering for a while – can you link to download ? Like magnet link or something?
    Also, good to see they’re working hard to make Tribler even more awesome. Keep up good work, guys.

  • Anonymous

    I see they had the same sort of idea I did. Yes to make BitTorrent anonymous you only need to add a proxy pass-on stage.

    Imagine replies to copyright troll letters then accusing you of uploading / downloading some media. You could rightly say “No I did not. I have never seen or heard of this media. This was only my client passing requested data between source and destination. I do not have a copy here and neither do I have logs”

    This is the final nail in their coffin when there is nothing unlawful about playing proxy and simply passing on data. The only downside is the extra bandwidth and if they aim for a local cache extra storage also required.

    Yes I can begin to see how this can progress into video streaming when the BT network with millions of users is a huge resource.

    My last though has to be how it is funny how true anonymous decentralised many to many file transfers that will fracture the MPAA and RIAA is being funded by the Government with taxpayer funds.

    Fear the future yet Hollywood? I sure do not.

    • Lana

       I think you will find Gnunet has been doing this for sometime with peers acting as proxy nodes. Thus giving plausible deniability to all involved.

      What I’d like to know is, which is more secure? GNUnet or Tribbler?

      • FreeBSD

        It should soon be possible to test, going by the article.

        • Lana

          From the GNUnet website:

          “The foremost goal of the GNUnet project is to become a widely used,
          reliable, open, non-discriminating, egalitarian, unfettered and
          censorship-resistant system of free information exchange. We value free
          speech above state secrets, law-enforcement or intellectual property.
          GNUnet is supposed to be an anarchistic network, where the only
          limitation for peers is that they must contribute enough back to the
          network such that their resource consumption does not have a significant
          impact on other users.

           GNUnet’s primary design goals are to protect the privacy of its users
          and to guard itself against attacks or abuse. GNUnet does not have any
          mechanisms to control, track or censor users. Instead, the GNUnet
          protocols aim to make it as hard as possible to find out what is
          happening on the network or to disrupt operations.”

          My money is on GNUnet ;)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gear-Mentation/100003097514663 Gear Mentation

      Can’t they get you for facilitating copyright infringement?  Or else it would be easy to pass such a law.

      • Anonymous

        No more or less than any other cable on the Internet.

        Are ISPs facilitating copyright infringement because they allow subscribers to infringe? No because under the law they are simply a line carrier and not responsible for what users use it for.

        An ISP cannot filter out infringement because they do not know the copyright status of the media, if fair use is involved, if this media is creative commons or public domain. It is just mystery data with most lawful and some not.

        Having a proxy client simply moving data from A to B cannot be made unlawful without destroying the Internet in the process. How can your proxy software be made unlawful but not other proxies, routers and data links?

        • mwhahaha

          So what if they/we do destroy the internet eventually, due to piracy?
          Imagine:You connect to you isp. You get your isp homepage, it lists Shops, Social Networking, News and that’s it. You have no address bar, no way to connect to someone else directly. A browser letting you go to a non authorised site is illegal or even pointless. The ISP only has connections to those major sites.

          Maybe you’re on a tablet which only allows you to connect to your ISP based desktop, everything on there is authorised. No harddrive at home, no choosing your own programs. It will be like apple’s app store but mandatory and everywhere. Apple, itunes, facebook and cloud storage are the beginning of the end for this stage of the internet possibly.

          It’s a long way off if it could happen but the way the govts are getting more and more draconian over this, I wouldn’t be surprised to see it within the next few decades.

          ‘People can shop, people can chat, people can read the news or watch things for a price’ they’ll argue. ‘Why would they want to do anything else? Doing anything else means you’re most likely breaking the law. Everything that’s legal has been authorised and allowed in to our ringfenced internet 3.0.’

        • Guest

          “So what if they/we do destroy the internet eventually, due to piracy?”

          And what if there’s a monster under your bed?

        • Anonymous

          @disqus_Qrz0CYAQne:disqus 


          Imagine:You connect to you isp. You get your isp homepage, it lists Shops, Social Networking, News and that’s it. You have no address bar, no way to connect to someone else directly. A browser letting you go to a non authorised site is illegal or even pointless. The ISP only has connections to those major sites.”

          For many reasons completely infeasible. Yes, you could try to convert the “internet” to local intranets but consider this: Even for massive multinational corporations with entire IT departments dedicated to running their intranets this approach does not work.

          And believe me, it’s not because we haven’t tried. The maintenance issue of what belongs to the whitelist and not is staggering. In the end you’ll end up with an ISP which can offer, in real respect, as much as the PS3 network or ordinary cable TV. And it’ll be extremely expensive to boot.

          Now, try to pitch this sale to John Q Doe – on whether s/he will be happy to accept a higher price for a severely restricted internet where very little really works – and then see what happens. You want a third party in the US tossing out the republicans and Democrats on their ear? This is the way to do it. Threatening the bread and games of the public is a very fast way to ensure that everyone starts voting “Pirate”.

          I’m not even going to start on what such a paradigm will do to companies which rely on the internet being flexible and easy to use…We’re talking about every country adopting such a legislation being thrown straight back into the early 80′s as far as internet functionality goes.

          You want the western world into the third world? Again, this is the way to do it.

      • Anonymous

        You could make legislation to that effect yes, in theory…
        …in real practice, say fare-thee-welle to ANY online service. From Google to Facebook, any site allowing user-generated content or allowing anonymization/encrypted connection. Any online bank services are right out.

        In very real terms a paradigm such as that (which is to some extent what PIPA/SOPA/ACTA have tried to force on us) is a conversion to the napoleonic code – a society where anything not expressly allowed is instead expressly forbidden. As far as the internet is concerned, no one would be able to be compliant without continually proving that they should in fact be online. An internet run by a whitelist, in fact.

        If mere conduit is abolished then any digital communication will be also. That’s the unavoidable net effect.

    • mwhahaha

      I fear for the the future of culture sometimes to be honest. It’s fine for bands who can gig, and maybe for movie makers who can cut their costs a lot, but I fear for authors and textbook writers.
      If the standard of lit and text books fell to the kind of quality you see on wiki and in self published works, it would be a major loss to us all.

      I’d still love to see a middle ground where we don’t get ripped off every time we buy media but the companies 20 years in the future still can afford to make high quality content.

      Yes these bastards are rich now and all their lawsuits are mostly in self interest but if anon sharing comes to pass for real and we get to the stage that no one buys anything ever, then my fear is that the quality of what is made will suffer in a major way. Movies will be swamped with product placement (if they get made at all), TV will be even quicker to kill things that don’t work instantly on their networks and books will just end up as pathetic excuses for literature in the most part with only the most successful (which usually equals lowest common denominator) of any type of media being even vaguely profitable.

      I don’t want crappy tv shows appealing only to the American Idol viewers and full of product placements, films made on a tiny budget by people in their own homes and books badly written by people who need an editor more than they realise.

      I wish some of these bastard greedy ass companies would look for a decent middle ground which is more about being fair and even generous and we should meet them with a willingness to pay a fair price for what we watch, read and listen to.

      I’m all for trying before you buy, watching things you’d never dream of buying, etc, I hate how media companies take the piss, but there’s a line somewhere and past that line the whole world is culturally poorer.

      If that comes to pass the blame will lie with all of us and all of them.

      • Guest

        “ and we get to the stage that no one buys anything ever”

        Monster. Under your bed.

        Everybody can already download anything they want for free. We’re living in a post-copyright world. And have been for some 12 years. Over that course of time, it’s been proven again and again that filesharing does not prevent people from buying things. Filesharers, in fact, buy even more than people who don’t fileshare. 

        http://www.seo DOT nl/en/page/article/ups-and-downs-economische-en-culturele-gevolgen-van-file-sharing-voor-muziek-film-en-games/

        Your doomsday prophesizing, your handwringing, it’s all a load of industry shit. Time, as well as actual research, have both confirmed this.  

        • Anon

           Agreed, with the ability to get anything , or almost anything online for free, i am still tempted to pay, i just do not have a means to at the moment.
          I still go to the cinemas , and as can be seen from the recent trillions made from a few blockbusters a lot of people still want to go to the cinema to watch good movies. I downloaded a few books the other day and while reading them, was thinking how good it would have been if I could leave a comment for the author on how much I loved his book and why, and maybe pay him a few $ to encourage him to write more.

          I suspect the future of books is a link at the end of reading it directly to a website where you can donate and comment.(just think about that idea for a while)

          Fluck if i can think of such a good business plan for authors while flying high on pain medication I am sure others can, but alas the gatekeepers would lose there power so a suggestion like this is going to have to be forced onto the writers and not just done to make things easier for everyone.

           And I know people always say that you can buy from Amazon or “that” apple software, but then I am paying apple or amazon 30% or more just because they have a server selling the books.I would rather donate money for authors i enjoy reading and that the site only generates income from advertising or even a similar donation process. And if you think about it Amazon has one copy of a book and sells it many many times, 30% is a joke for costs involved.Also anything over $2 for a kindle book is ridiculous.

          Movies I am boycotting paying for at the moment due to the Corruption involved and the fact that my payments are encouraging drug use and prostitution which I do not want to support in any way if possible.And also the fact that a movie that makes over a trillion dollars due to accounting practices can still be shown not to be making money so that the gatekeepers get to keep money that is owed to those people that actually used there creativity and experience to make the movie as great as it became.

          To me it is not about just paying for something because I have to, it is about paying the right people an amount i think is reasonable.The same as when buying a laptop , I am prepared to pay what i think is a fair price. If the item is good quality i am prepared to pay more, if it is of lower quality i pay less, that is how the market works, but i think Hollywood has forgotten this, and therefore they suffer people sharing what they would actually be prepared to pay for.

      • Anonymous


        It’s fine for bands who can gig, and maybe for movie makers who can cut their costs a lot, but I fear for authors and textbook writers.”

        Paulo Coelho managed just fine. And honestly, from what I saw during my own university studies, some 90% or more of all reference literature is already written on commission or as part of a way to gain academic credit. A problem which has been highlighted in academic circles a few times over.

        And somehow you are missing the point – anonymous filesharing has already in all effects been around for twenty years. And the distribution, for all intents and purposes, has been infinite since usenet’s first iteration came online.

        In short, those fears you have are unjustified altogether.

        What we WILL see – indeed, what we already see – is that the consumer market has become far more selective. Great movies get box office record sales, movies which are “hyped Meh!” don’t. As a general rule people are always willing to subsidize culture and there has never been any indication that this will change.

        There is no middle ground to be found – no convenient fence to sit on – for quite a few reasons:

        1) The execs in charge in production companies have as primary goal to maximize profits for the next quarter. Nothing else. If filesharing can act as a steady promotor for a product over several years then we are already going beyond the usual employment time of the average CEO. They aren’t interested in this and never will be. Even if you find an enlightened exec who realizes that convenience and service are what sell, not copies, that will be a very singular exception to the rule.

        2) The execs in charge of the MPAA, RIAA, Ifpi and all the other usual suspects make a living precisely off the conflict arising from unreasonable legislation and pirate witch hunts. Any reasonable compromise at all will sink these companies in the blink of an eye. They can live successfully only for as long as they can latch onto the bottomless purse of the entertainment industry. And will fight both pirates and their own clients, if need be, for their very existence

        3) The internet. You will not change human nature to the point where people do not feel driven to share information and media. Like abstainment from pre-marital sex or the theoretical benefits of a planned economy human nature does not support such a paradigm in any aspect. And it is sufficient for only a few percent of people to use filesharing networks for distribution to be, for all purposes, global and omnipresent.

        And that is why your calls for a compromise are, at best, naíve. Take the MPAA and RIAA out of the equation completely and you might get somewhere but as long as they remain, those worthies will cheerfully torch and salt any middle ground.

        In the end it boils down to one of two options – free communication and a functioning internet, meaning rampant filesharing…or no functioning internet or free communication and thus only the sneakernet for filesharing. You don’t get both.

  • B B

    This functionality is nonsense. Sure, it allows you to use proxies (and which client does not offer that), but who’s gonna run them, apparently the future backbone of the network, for free? This is exactly what the power nodes for early P2P were, and these will be the elements of the network most dangerous to host and most often attacked. Nothing revolutionary, nothing gained. If, on the other hand, the proxies will be operated by private companies for $$ (which smells of a viable business plan in this case) you get exactly what you already have with VPN.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gear-Mentation/100003097514663 Gear Mentation

      They definitely either don’t have any voodoo, or they aren’t releasing the details

    • Wolph

      You obviously have no idea how this system works.

      You’re not using normal proxies with this system, every client is a proxy. Every client receives random bits of data for others aswell and sends that through. This gives you plausible deniability since they can’t see if you really downloaded it or simply passed it on.

      • mwhahaha

        ….and in the mean time you’ve upped your internet package to three times the cost so you have the bandwidth to be a proxy for other people who might be trading CP or plans to blow up half of NYC? Or worse, downloading the latest Taylor Swift offering…

        I don’t see how, for a lot of people, they will be able to be proxies without paying their own cash to do it. In which case just get a VPN.

        Torrenting – data gets passed once, you to me. TYVM
        Tribbling – data gets passed twice. you to him via me.

        Surely then the whole system is carrying double the capacity of the BT network.

        ISPs are going to motherfucking love this. $$$!!!

        • Guest

          lol, if you use an anonymous filesharing client then you’re an accessory to childporn and terrorism, eh? The little MAFIAA troll is working extra hard tonight.

          Idiot also doesn’t know that becoming a proxy for other users would be barely different from how BitTorrent already works. 

        • FreeBSD

          Freenet then?

    • Karlhedderich

      After watching Johan Poulwese’ talk at Stanford I think I understand how the anonymous tribler will work.  The next version of tribler has several features that will make it able to deliver on the promises of anonymity, real time streaming, and decentralization.

      1).  Proxies which use multi-layered encryption so that only the source and destination nodes what is being sent (the middle proxy nodes only know who they are receiving from and sending to, not the content). This they got from Tor.

      2).  Encrypted data caching so that the number of anonymizing nodes between you and the content you want doesn’t unneccesarily slow down transfer speeds.  This they got from freenet.

      3).  Some fancy algorithm in the client that looks at the hashes in your library and can then determine your tastes.  The algorithm then will group you with other nodes with similar tastes.  This is important for maintaining fast data speeds while maintaining downloading.

      4).  The ability to communicate with other nodes about the quality of material on the network.  This is important to block spam

      5).  A karma system that makes your downloads and uploads faster if you donate more hard drive space for caching anonymous data and for providing bandwidth for proxying other peoples data anonymously.  With out this karma system the fear is that leechers will swamp the system.

      There is still the problem of making the tribler network backwards compatible with normal bitorrent network.  To do this safely nodes that interface between the bitorrent and tribler networks will either have to be using a vpn or be located in a bitorrent friendly country (Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland).  You could imagine the providing this more dangerous and specialized service for the tribler network will yield you more karma. 

      Ultimately if tribler is as kick ass as the test network indicates it is the new standard being developed will yield a network that will slowly dominate the sharing space :)  At that point less interfacing nodes (nodes that send and recieve data from outside the tribler network). 

      The real genius of tribler is that they found a way to create the karma system which makes the whole system convenient enough for people use to fast downloads.  That and the social comment/annotation system which prevents spam.  Rather than being a shitty mashup between bitorrent and facebook, the social element is central to the succesful functioning a a decentralized filesharing system.

  • ofProto

    Get fucked MAFIAA.

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  • ThatGuyOverThere

    How long until the gov’t starts raiding places that announce programs like this?

    • netgrazer

      Places like government-funded universities? They’re more likely turn off the money-faucet.

      • Bloaxor

         I think it’s a too interesting concept to just disappear once the money is pulled away.

        But that might just be me believing in people liking what they’re doing, of course.

        • netgrazer

          I agree, now that the open source genie has been let out of the bottle, they can never get it back in… so, no worries :)

  • Guest33

    I don’t understand what it meant by proxy support. Most torrent clients already support proxy servers. A proxy does not make you moare anonymous, but only passes the buck onto the upstream server. If the upstream server in the chain doesn’t have plausible deniability, he is the low hanging target. The only way in which proxy servers guarantee anonymity is by combining encryption with a form of onion routing and multihop chaining like in I2P. If there are only a small number of proxies, these suddently become targets for legal action. However, if Tribler goes the I2P route making everyone a relay, shutting them all down become impossible with banning the network.

    • netgrazer

      I think you’ve just answered the issues you pointed out. At least, I hope they’re taking that approach.

      Multiple duplicity is a must however, for this to work at all. So everyone buy some extra HD space and get a decent fiber connection and let’s start annoying the MAFIAA on an epic scale!   >: ]

    • Node

      I would expect that the Tribler client would require data pass through. 

      So whenever you are leeching or seeding specific files you are FORCED to also pass other data through your “node”. 

      All your “node” would “see” is Proxy Seeders and Proxy Leechers (not the IPs of actual seeder/leechers). 

      The “entrance” “exit” proxies might get targeted (like TOR exits sometimes get blamed for child pron).  But all in all sounds pretty good for anonymity if it works. 

      • FreeBSD

        Sounds like Freenet (cpnet?) then.

      • Andrei Robu

        I don’t see the need for exit nodes inside the Tribler network.

  • Anomynous

    What ever happened to Anomos.

  • Anonymous

     if this works as hoped/intended, who has got all the heart attack pills for the entertainment industries execs? they will want several and damn quick too! hopefully there wont be enough to go round! then there will be the immediate lawsuits from BREIN and similar collection/protection agencies for facilitating/encouraging illegal downloading/file sharing. looks like the Researchers at Delft University of Technology are gonna be busy shortly. hope they are geared up for the shit storm that will be directed at them!! all the best of luck to them though. i think they will need it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gear-Mentation/100003097514663 Gear Mentation

    This would be an amazing and wonderful achievement.  I’m waiting for technical details though.  My first thought is that it would be easy to set up one or more computers as part of the so-called “proxy layer” to harvest IP addresses.  And their FAQ says “Tribler currently does not support encryption,” so that means deep packet inspection will still have you provider sending your letters and punishing you.

    • http://mickstarify.clavid.com/ Michael

       Yep, deep packet inspection on a scale of millions in realtime, very plausible……

      • Jiggs

        You miss the point, the packets coming to you are NOT necessarily coming from the person who requested it. There is no way for you to know the true requester. Deep packet inspection will do shit, the ip is stripped off and yours is put on then sent along the way. Even using the TTL wont work as this will be adjusted each time also. So all your seeing is a request from someone who may or may not be asking for it, they may only be the proxy. Also i would imagine the whole file will not be in one place but will be spread across the network and each responder will give the pieces they have to the proxy which in turn sends that back down.  As mentioned its just like TOR so go learn how TOR works and youll have a good idea how this works. TOR isnt 100% secure but makes it difficult enough and expensive enough to only make it worthwhile to find someones IP if its really really important. Even the FBI cant be bothered to go after all the CP on TOR because of the time and money needed to do it.

  • Onewayjan-004

    good to hear from you, nice day

  • Guest33

    As far I know, only Tor exit nodes have been targeted by law enforcement, and only for investigation not for prosecution.

    . An exit node provides access to the open internet, and if a Tor user uses an exit node to retrieve/distribute CP, it’s the IP of the exit node that gets logged by the law enforcement.

    However, no exit node has ever been found liable for merely acting as relay for illegal content.

    One reason for the lack of prosecution may be that a lot of exit nodes are set up by law enforcement and the government in order to monitor really dangerous criminals.

    Tor and similar anonymity networks not only provide criminals with plausible deniability but in addition allow law enforcement to infiltrate darknets without exposing their
    IP range.

    Tor entry nodes are different and have not to my knowledge been targeted on account of illegal trafick.
    The copyright warnings works on the assumption that the owner of the account can be associated with illegal distribution of a specific copyrighted work, but but if the only thing the ISP can prove is that the user runs a general proxy relaying encrypted trafick, it’s unknowable if the trafick violates copyright. And the responsibility would fall on the party using the proxy to retrieve copyrighted content. The copyright holder can’t obtain this proof without trying to use the proxy to obtain the information, and since the copyright holder would have a legal right to download his own content, I can’t see how the proxy could be blamed.

    • Gearmentation

       Couldn’t you set up a proxy to harvest the IP addresses?  And anyway, Tribler isn’t encrypted.

  • Guest33

    The government’s next step is likely forcing the ISPs to ban the use of anonymity facilitating networks from the open internet.

    Wait and see what happens after a few child pornography and copyright cases blow up and the government blames it on anonymity and untraceability.

    The argument is likely going to be that without absolute traceability, investigation and prosecution of child pornography and terrorism is made impossible.

    I hope that mesh networks then have evolved to an extend that we can have truly anonymous and completely decentralized communication.

    But even now, it’s possible to set up a local wireless network consisting of a few gigabit routers serving 100 apartments.

    The totalitarian fascist government of my country has proposed a China style regulation of anonymous internet access.

    According to a proposal by the Ministry of Justice, any internet access point must be locked down, and any access to the internet shall be conditioned on the use of social security numbers.
    Guess what country I am speaking of.

    • Node

      If the Tribler proxy nodes SSL encrypt traffic between proxy nodes then it would be almost impossible to ban without trashing the net. 

    • mwhahaha

      Is it Narnia?

    • Anonymous

      Iran?

    • Anonymous

      Could very well be Sweden. Our parliament has regularly handed down mass surveillance legislation of the citizenry in the last eight years and I know at least one of the most vocal instigators – Johan “Nightstick” Pehrson of the right-wing “People’s Party” has indeed suggested banning encryption and anonymization.

  • Jason

    MPAA RIAA, u mad bro?

  • Guest33

    The lack of encryption is fatal for now.  But the paper on the proxy layer apparently implements some form of encryption.

    But how would harvesting IP addresses be of any aid to the copyright enforcer? If there are 3 hops in the chain i.e User >Relay1 >Relay2 >Relay3 >Destination the harvester must be very lucky in order to correlate all trafick to copyright infringement.

    Even without encryption, the system could automatically select nodes based on the relays being in different jurisdictions.

    User (United States) >Relay1 (Germany) > Relay2 (UK) >Relay 3 (Netherlands) > Destination (Italy) are  a lot of jurisdictions, and all the subpoenas will be very expensive.
    And the rights holder must calculate with the risk that log evidence does not prove who did it.

    The ISP logs alone will likely not validate the claim that there has been  a transmission of copyrighted content, only some IP addresses, port numbers and time stamps having some random like connections to each other.

    Hell, some could even set up an automatic system deliberatly generating a lot of background entropy in the log files.

    • mwhahaha

      If we have world wide jumps like that the EU and US will just end up setting up a policing system with dual jurisdiction. If the internet is world wide they’ll set up a world wide monitoring and policing system eventually.

      • Guest33

        A multijurisdictional enforcement regime will still be very costly. Even rubber stamping a warrant granted by a court in another jurisdiction will apart from the constitutional questions still require active action on the part of the local police, courts and civil enforcement authorities.

        No nation will consent to a legal framework under which a subpoena granted by a foreign court applies directly to the national police.

        The requested jurisdiction will likely insist on scrutinizing each foreign subpoena in order to ascertain that the request is not facially unreasonable or an effort to get an unfair ccompetetive advantage or a fishing expedition for information unrelated to any bona fide legal claim.

        Let us suppose that a nation asks for information on a node participating in an onion network. The requested nation must now utilize its police, courts and forensics experts to scrutinize the request and process the information.

        This is of course how normal police cooperation is supposed to work, but if the number of requests are 1000+ every year, and the outcome is only few though high profile conviction for petty copyright infringement, defamation or hate speech the system suddently becomes a burden not only on the taxpayers but even more  on the police.

  • NewClear

    So… how is this any different from what Limewire did?

    • Guest

      You can still use Limewire. Just download Limewire pirate edition. Still work great.

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  • Guest33

    A social network component makes the entire program more legitimate in the eyes of the law because social communication is one very important legitimate dual use. 

    Remember that general purpose tools are not illegal just because they might enable copyright infringement. Adding a social network component adds to the legitimacy of the project insulating the developers from the accusation that their only goal is facilitating anonymous file sharing.

    If anonymous file sharing was the only purpose, the project would be on shakier ground. But social networks and messenging are protected by freedom of expression and privacy laws.Banning a project providing private communication and social networking is a harder sell.

  • Worried Guy

    The only thing is what happens if someone routes something really inaapropriate through your node , I personally dont mind anything apart from porn.

    • Node

      You will never know because the data passed through you (as proxy node) would be encrypted and you would have NO chance to crack it open and look at it. 

    • mwhahaha

      well there’s not much porn on the internet, so you should be fine.

      • Jason Holmquist

        70% of the internet has porn videos and pictures. Personally i only dload music.

    • Noneone

      I guess you will only know when you get your door busted down by the feds or police and they take your computer.

      • Guest

        Encryption + legitimate deniability thanks to the proxy system = nope

  • Electrohazard

    This is the best news I’ve heard in a long time. Sounds amazing, and I eagerly anticipate the full release.

  • Emperormong

    i cant wait for the next big safe p2p so we can all give the finger to the copyright trolls,
    roll on the day when its the real deal.

  • Lthrpuphlfx

    Off topic but check out what the copyhogs have done in Canada!

    http://news.yahoo.com/money-want-board-charge-music-weddings-parades-201556813.html

    Can’t wait til these parasites get thier wings clipped!

    • Ferris

      The fees vary depending on the size of the audience and the type of event. 

      For weddings, receptions, conventions, assemblies and fashion shows, the fee is $9.25 per day if fewer than 100 people are present and goes up to $39.33 for crowds of more than 500 people.  Fat women (over 100 kg) count as 2 people and people of colour are counted as 2/3 of a person. 

      If there’s dancing, the fees double.  If there is really bad dancing, the fees triple.  $10 credits are allowed (per) women whom expose there breasts (min. 5 seconds per breast, min C+ cup size). 

      Karaoke bars will pay between $86.06 and $124 annually depending on how many days per week they permit the amateur crooning.  Fees double for any bald male crooners.  $10 breast credits (as specified above) will apply. 

      Parades will be charged $4.39 for each float with recorded music participating in the parade, subject to a minimum fee of $32.55 per day.  A $1,000 FINE will be imposed on any parade featuring any spontaneous ’Ferris Bueller’ type float activities. 

      • mwhahaha

        Ferris Bueller you’re my hero!

    • mwhahaha

      This is what happens when they fear they’re losing revenue due to piracy. 

  • Bingding

    bring it on, time to stop these bullys with harrasment orders

  • Marcy

    Can’t get Tribbler to work for me properly. The moment I start it, my internet connection gets a yellow triangle. I can no longer acces anything beyond my modem. When I shut Tribbler off, everything works like normal again.

  • mwhahaha

    Where do you stand legally if you have even vague traces of CP on your machine if you held the data as a paedo’s proxy?

    That said I like the idea over all, obviously. It will be interesting to see if it works in practice. The thing I fear with tribbler is that it feels in it’s basic use (to me anyway) a bit like limewire. It has it’s own search where it looks for what’s out there etc.

    I fear it will end up in the same situation as limewire. In other words, an ok thing; then shit – full of fakes, CP and bullshit; then shutdown and sued into nowhere.

    I sure hope they have their asses covered legally. If this works even half as well as they hope some ppl are gonna go fucking apeshit over this.

    Oh also, but I really can’t share my 1TB harddisk as my monthly net allowance would be gone in a day. Kudos to those who can share as much as that, but for me it’s an impossibility.

    ALSO:
    As it is acting as a cache proxy for other users, it will surely double my incoming traffic and vastly increase my outgoing traffic – the speed of which is very limited. Not sure why, just how my ISP sets it up I guess. 

    If I had to either give more money to my ISP for a bigger allowance to use this to get anonymity or just go get a vpn, I think I’d get a vpn as I kinda hate my lazy ass ISP.

    It is a great idea but I’d be interested to see how it altered my net usage before using it personally.

    • Anyone

      it’s encrypted, you have no idea that you even have it, neither does anyone investigating your machine

      • har har

        Don’t feed the troll. He needs to learn how to Freenet/I2P/Tor, but he needs to do it by himself.

    • Guest

      Limewire is still up and running. You are not very bright. 

      Also, what is it with you and CP? Is there something you’d like to tell us?

      • FreeBSD

        i doubt.

    • FreeBSD

      stick with freenet/i2p then?

  • Greatprog

    bloatware resource hog

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  • TPB

    If this really does end up working and becomes very ’main stream’ popular, it may well be the ONLY thing that will ever deprecate the most awesome resilience and utility of TPB. 

    The ONLY thing that can ever hurt TPB is a NEW and BETTER technology. 
    (And somehow I know TPB will always embrace that kind of evolution) 

  • MC

    I doff my hat to you, tribler team.

  • http://mickstarify.clavid.com/ Michael

    So its a bit like freenet then, except really fast?

  • Stinky

    TPB is great! I Love malware, viruses and the like! Greatest site ever. I’m a newb and think it’s the best!

    Great symbol and representation of an idea … but does anybody (who knows what they are doing) still use this site… REALLY?

    • Emahwrnd

      Gee, I know newbs who actually read comments first, look for trusted sources etc etc

      You’re just a moron.

    • Guest

      Private trackers are great! I love the illusion of security, and how they force me to have an identifying user account and the like! Greatest thing ever. I’m a newb and think they’re the best!

      I especially love how there’s never any viruses on them, so I don’t even have to check for vi–ASJL!@*!*! 838943893…………………

  • Anonymous

    lol thats pretty funny when you think about it. Think I would rather utilize a trusted privacy service that has been in business for more than ten 15 years.

    Web-Privacy.tk

    • Stinky

       I do, dumb dumb. If you are a member in good standing, most private–ooops– excuse me, “members-only sites”, will allow individuals to use VPN’s.

      But I guess you would not know that.

      • Emahwrnd

         Hey, you just proved me right.

        LMFAO!

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  • Guest33

    Under US law, you are only guilty of possessing or distributing of CP, if you know the contents of what you’re possessing. Google for +scienter +”child pornography”.

    There is no viable legal precedent for holding carriers or publishers of information strictly liable for certain information unless they are on notice that the information they distribute is illegal. Both under the First Amendment and the ECHR Article 10, it’s likely that a strict liability rule would be found unlawful on the theory that it imposes a chilling effect on freedom of speech.
    The problem for Limewire, Grockster and other companies distributing p2p software was not their software facilitating infringement, but that the companies themselves were actively inducing the infringement. Inducement and secondary liability do not touch Tor, FreeNet or I2P because these projects do not actively induce copyright infringement but only protect anonymity.

    • Desu1

      ICE took down my uncle for ~70 CP images and he didn’t know he had them because he ran an open FTP server, which in the 90s, was a precursor to /b/ as people were encouraged to upload just about anything, but expressly NO CP. He did 11 years. They actually uploaded it to him and was in the court docs that they did. They were doing a sting in Germany and that’s where it was uploaded from to his server in the US. 

  • Guest

    What an amazing work they’re doing, they’re paving the way for the future of mankind.

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  • Drwho

    Very buggy software. I change some settings, hit Save and it crashes. Try running again, and it comes up with a crash report. If you don’t want to send it, the app quits. Rinse and repeat. Meh.

  • Guest

    Sounds decent until they start making you pay for it, I doubt 19mil was just tossed to the wind for the sake of p2p without certain parties expecting profit from their investment.

    Think if I’m gonna pay for anonymity it’ll be via VPN’s, seems more reliable.

    • Anonymous

      The software is open source. They will probably charge the likes of BBC for implementing the systems and supplying other services to corporations. Just like many of the firms that deal with Linux development make their money. 

    • Anonymous

      Open Source, remember? This research team are getting their grants as part of an IT project. There is no legal way in which they can make anyone pay. Rather the contrary, the tribler client, since the source is open, can be used by anyone to create spinoff clients with the same or better functionality.

      I’m eagerly awaiting the third and fourth generation of this item.

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  • X1q5

    I’m highly skeptical of the speed claims.  First of all, in order to facilitate plausible deniability, the proxy traffic has to be encrypted. Where there is encryption, there’s overhead. Secondly, by the linear nature of the communication, you can’t connect directly to the swarm, and, from the diagram, you can’t even connect to all the proxies that have the packets that you need.  You’re completely at the mercy of the exit nodes, which, as we all know from Tor, can be unbearably slow.

    This being said, bandwidth is inching forward globally, so having a Tor-like network where filesharing is encouraged might not be a bad thing.

    Still, even though Tor has never been challenged legally, I get the feeling that, when anti-piracy software sees your IP as an exit node passing infringing material, they’ll still report you to your ISP, and, if you’re in a country with a multi-infringement policy, you’ll still get the strike. Now, whether or not these strikes hold up in court is another matter, but do you want to be the one going to court to fight it?

    • Guest33

      The problem for the copyright holder is that there is no technically relevant distinction between an exit node, middle or entry node.

      If the exit node is liable for routing another’s trafick, same should be the entry and middle node. The only possible distinction I can conceive of is that the entry and middle node has no ability to ascertain the illegality of the contents of the trafick due the use of encryption whereas the exit node may sometimes though not always have a better shot at inspecting the contents. A better shot of course presupposes that deep packet inspection is a technical possibility for the ISP and the enduser running the proxy.

      However, encryption makes verification impossible except for the sender and receiver. If the copyright holder starts the downloading, the only thing he can prove is that the copyrighted content was downloaded once. He can’t prove the actual source, how many times it was downloaded by others, or by whom it was downloaded. The damage awarded is likely very low, and barring the crazy US system for awarding statutory damages, the common damage award in Europe is probable only the retail price plus court costs if the number of estimated copies is very low.
      And in many European countries, an IP does not identify a person.

      Even assuming that the law could catch up with this imperfection, and any intermediary routing cleartext trafick is hence responsible for its illegality, something not very likely, even such a change would only spur the use of end to end encryption.

      If the copyright logic dictates that you are responsible for routing trafick that you have the ability to inspect, conversely you aren’t responsible if you have no ability to read the contents of the communication.
      Now, I am sure that the next step for the copyright lobby is arguing that you should still be liable if you knowingly reroute encrypted trafick, which can’t easily be deciphered by the police state.
      We are now back at square one, copyright enforcement and information control now in order to be effective means that you will be jailed if the cleartext communication is illegal, and you will be jailed if the packets are encrypted.

      • Anonymous

        Or TL;DR – Copyright enforcement is impossible if “free speech” exists.

        For the reasons you just outlined above. If people aren’t allowed to communicate in a way which means other people can not listen then you have effectively abolished freedom of speech altogether.

    • tremor

      If you’re acting as a node passing along encrypted information how could anyone know if that information is “legal” or “illegal” ?

      • Anonymous

        You can’t. The same way the postal service can’t very well say whether a letter contains a “Dear John” letter or a hermetically sealed back of cocaine.

        Hence the need for messenger immunity – mere conduit – in any society where freedom of speech is protected.

    • Anonymous

      Hmm. Encryption overhead isn’t that bad though. Today most computers use multiple cores with large caches. Assuming a good multi-core functionality – or even better, highjacking the GPU for the encryption/decryption required – I don’t see the overhead as noticeable. Even an older generation dirt-cheap AMD multicore should be able to pass this load without noticeably effecting the user.

      • Gearmentation

         This is true.  The encryption doesn’t take up many resources.

    • jiggs

      “in order to facilitate plausible deniability, the proxy traffic has to be encrypted”

      i would say the cache has to be encrypted not the stream…

  • Andrew Lee

     They should make all the data run through pre encrypted sandboxes to make it impossible to know what data a user is passing on for someone else.

    Still it’s going to be hard to get good speeds like this at least till the whole internet is faster for everyone. They could also make all slow data transfers to be killed then re-routed.

    But yeah the idea behind this is to make data run past so much it would be impossible to start taking the whole world to court. Think of a monkey wrench being thrown in an engine but instead of a monkey wrench it’s a nuclear bomb.

    I think they should name this in the honor of the copyright whore lawyers. The perfect name would be “Dey took my JERB!”

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  • Charlie

    If I understand this right the new Tribler program will use a “proxy-bittorrent-swarm” to download from the “real” bittorrent-swarm. Or am I wrong?

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  • Anon

    There already seems to be a cache system setup by some ISPs in India. This happened recently when reliance blocked p2p sites/traffic before a Bollywood movie release. The system is called “btcache” If you check your peer-list you will find that you are connected to btcache clients instead of utorrent, vuze, etc.

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GAO3EKLT57NE3P6BNGC4FPEJP4 Emma

    as Paul explained I am startled that you can profit $4924 in 1 month on the computer. have you seen this web page  (Click on menu Home more information)   http://goo.gl/zQ25j  

  • Dan

    The installer is 42MB? Wow, talk about bloatware! uTorrent is less than 1MB.

    • Desu1

      They’re called dependencies. 

  • Jason Holmquist

    yes… but i find this program slow and a few problems with magnet links when i am seeding other torrents. but this shit is worth it and i dont have the fear of a lawsuit lol.

  • Jason Holmquist

    plus this thing is still in beta

  • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

    Storage is cheap – everyone sharing their 1 and 2 terabyte drives would be… wild.  If this program can do what it says it can then this’ll be a very different internet in 5 years.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BUV5ZD46I2626OAG5QOS6UFJGU Pierce

    what Carlos explained I’m taken by surprise that anyone able to make $7233 in one month on the internet. have you seen this site link  (Click on menu Home more information)   http://goo.gl/SP5iy 

  • Pasttense

     If this is doable, why hasn’t someone already done it–they have been suing torrent users for many years.

    • Anonymous

      Someone HAS done it. I believe what Tribler is doing seems to be either onion or garlic routing. The proofs-of-concept have certainly been out there in the form of stealthnet/RShare and similar efforts.

      However, it takes concerted efforts to rewrite a client into supporting full encryption and that effort has so far never been needed, as anyone with a clue using ordinary bittorrent was always reasonably safe.

      Mainly, since legislation has gone well beyond both reason and proportionality, the open-source sector is stepping up to the plate to take a swing to address it. The tribler team just happened to be first.

      • Gearmentation

         Actually something like this has been necessary for many years, and in spite of your explanation it seems very strange it hasn’t happened before.  Nevertheless, I’ve been predicting for years this would someday happen.

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  • Anonymous

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  • Fizzox

    I think Western govs can see everything you do, who you are, etc. They just can’t prosecute with the information gleaned from investigation without complicity from your ISP to make it a legitimate legal handover of your identity usable in court. Otherwise, your identity is too protected for them to file suit against. They can get into your ISP’s databanks without explanation if it is in aid of an investigation. If file sharing were criminal, why do large pools of menacing lawyers exist just to sue you for commercial interests they don’t even always represent? And since when did FBI, etc. investigate and entrap people for lawyers? Do they get a cut or something?
    Out of curiosity, wouldn’t using TOR maintain your privacy?

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  • Me

    Like the MAFIAA care whether the IP they are sueing is legit or not. They will sue you (who are effectively now the proxy) regardless for someone elses downloads.

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  • Lololololol002

    RIAA will probably try to make them disappear.

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  • chumscrubber

    as i understood it also can be used as a common torrent client with extra layer of protection right?

  • Jaime Lorado

    it’s not anonymous but there’s a browser out there called Torch which allows downloading straight from the browser, a friend liked it on FB, I tried it, very good/fast/stable and convenient. especially when you add a plug-in like better torrent. In fact i dont know how the torrentfreak mods missed it so far… it looks new. must be running in beta or something. URL is http://www.torchbrowser.com. 

  • UbuntuJacky

    Very nice. No more mail from the porn industry.

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