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RIAA Scared of Court Case Webcast

With the defense in the Tenenbaum case getting their request to broadcast the trial online, it seemed that some light of exposure was to be brought to the RIAA’s method of litigation. Yet the RIAA doesn’t want their court practices exposed for all to see, and have now appealed the judges decision.

riaaRIAA court cases are few and far between. The cost of attorneys usually makes hiring one a costly alternative in comparison to the settlement money that they ask from alleged infringers. Thus far, only one case has actually gone to trial, resulting in a heavy judgment against the defendant, Jammie Thomas. While that case has been declared a mistrial, it has not stopped other cases from going ahead.

One of the cases vying to be the first to go all the way for a standing decision, is the case involving Boston University student Joel Tenenbaum. After initially offering to settle for $500, and having it rejected back in 2003, he decided to fight. His case has proved quite a headache for the RIAA by all accounts. Starting with a counterclaim asserting abuse of federal power, and that the damages demanded were unconstitutional, it has eventually gone to court after several settlement attempts. In court Joel is assisted by Professor Charles Nesson, and his law students.

In the Thomas case, the lawyer involved wasn’t particularly enthusiastic nor experienced in this area, and it showed. The same can’t be said of Prof. Nesson, who is a Harvard law professor as well as Founder and Co-Director of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society. In what might be considered a coup, he convinced the judge to allow the trial to be webcast on the Internet. This will allow others to see just how the lawyers act in a case. Yet, in the last few hours, it has been revealed that the RIAA has appealed the motion, clearly upset that it might harm their public image further.

It’s hard to see how it can though, when the RIAA makes statements on the case that do nothing to generate goodwill. RIAA’s Cara Duckworth said in a statement, “While this might be an interesting academic exercise for the professor and his class, there’s been real world consequences for those who create music.” Clearly little things like following the law are second place to their revenue steam, and how DARE the defense bother to fight the case against them. In the meantime, we’re looking forward to the webcast.

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  • Remember

    Anything can backfire.

  • jhon

    webcast, webcast, webcast, webcast, webcast, webcast, webcast !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • eddy the teddy

    i'd like to see a webcast of Cara Duckworth being analised. hell i would torrent that shit!

  • http://www.fetchmp3.com/blog Andrew

    I guess the picture in this blog post best sums up the RIAA "Screwing artists and consumers since 1952", if only it was their real slogan. The employees of this company must be pretty nasty, immoral people lol

    http://www.fetchmp3.com

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Snyke Snyke

      It's not their slogan, but surely their policy ^^

  • winnie the poot

    I second that motion.

  • gonzo

    good article, hope the RIAA get no where with the appeal!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/mister_playboy mister_playboy

    I'll be looking for the webcast… :)

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

    Scared as they might be, it is still important that they might resisted. It is important for us to act, but each of us alone, with our limited resources, are unable to be effective. Only when we combine our resources (like money, power, voice) can we be effective in effecting change.

    Therefore, it may be useful for each of us to take the simplest action for this, and that is to form an informal online (discussion) group for the exchange of ideas, and the pooling of resources.

    It is easy to carry out, easy for anybody to participate in, and is important to get anything done. Especially important is the exchange of ideas, which is vital in order to put forth ideas and enact them.

    A simple online forum could do the job.

    Roze

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/EZEE EZEE

    Good article, we wrote about it just a few days back:
    http://ezee.se/articles-blog/2009/01/15/riaa-lies

    we had no idea they would try to appeal of course, guess the heats getting a bit too much for them SOBs!

    It should be noted that Joel offered them 5k in his second offer but they refused that, and instead wanted 10k-12k (two sources have reported $10,500 and $12,000 so am not sure)

    The judge does not seem to be falling for any of their tricks, so i'm pretty sure they are going to get their appeal bitch slapped ;)

    Cheers!
    eZee.se

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/BenJones BenJones

      "The opposing counsel denied and counter-offered a settlement of $10,500 to be paid over 1 year. Joel declined." from Joel's new site, which is also linked in the article above when talking about the first settlement offer.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/EZEE EZEE

        Ah! Thank you!
        Now if only I can find that other damn place where I read 12k…

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/EZEE EZEE

    Good article, we wrote about it just a few days back:
    http://ezee.se/articles-blog/2009/01/15/riaa-lies

    we had no idea they would try to appeal of course, guess the heats getting a bit too much for them SOBs!

    It should be noted that Joel offered them 5k in his second offer but they refused that, and instead wanted 10k-12k (two sources have reported $10,500 and $12,000 so am not sure)

    The judge does not seem to be falling for any of their tricks, so i'm pretty sure they are going to get their appeal bitch slapped ;)

    Cheers!
    http://www.eZee.se

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/BenJones BenJones

    "The opposing counsel denied and counter-offered a settlement of $10,500 to be paid over 1 year. Joel declined." from Joel's new site, which is linked in the article above when talking about the first settlement offer.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Killer_Tree Killer_Tree

    They are really just worried that everyone will see them trying to pay off the Judge any anyone else they can to win. After all, Lobbying (Read: Bribeing) politicians only gets the MAFIAA so far, and if we got to see everything they said and did then everyone would know they are slime. How would they then help (Read: Extort) new artists?

    I hope this case blows up on them big… very big.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes

      If they were going to attemptto pay off the judge it would not be in teh court room – hence the web broadcast is irrelevant. Also artists are not less intelligent than you or I, they have their own interest groups to spread infomation to each other – so why do you think they would sign contracts that "extorted" them?

      Artists that sign to record labels do so because of tangible benefits. Labels connot force anyone to sign so there must be tangible benefits to the artist.

      Sorry to rain on your irrational spewing of hatred but some of your statements are plain wrong. The fact is that the interests of artists signed to labels and filesharers are not the same.

      • Splitfoot

        I think some artists can often feel pressured into signing contracts they know are fairly poor since the big labels are still one of the best ways to get your music out there. Unfortunatly they have a lot more resources available in comparison to smaller labels.

  • ALIS

    I really hope the judge throws the case out of court and fines RIAA for totally outrageous "damages" claims. They are asking for a million dollars for 7 songs, someone should kill the riaa morons(that really would be the easiest way. That isnt even intimitation anymore, thats just simply outrageous and much more wrong than downloading the songs "illegally".

    It doesn't say the amount of money and songs in this article but i think TF reported this earlier, if not then look up the article about this on afterdawn.com.

    Everyone watch the hearing, dont think they'll show the actual trial but the hearing has most of the facts and will prove how ridigulous greedy bastards the RIAA are.

  • ASLLOE

    ROFL. Bastards sued the wrong IP address this time. I bet they are disappointed that it wasnt a random granny who will sign over her next social security check to settle something.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/dxtr dxtr

    Holy Shit! Never trusted RIAA one single bit. I guess they are running scared that their methods will be exposed. Bloody assholes.
    dxtr
    http://stuckinframes.blogspot.com

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Snyke Snyke

    It may just be the thing that takes the wind out of RIAAs scare tactics. Maybe seeing others win a case against them, will convince others to do so too.

  • Groovy!

    Awesome, I would want to see that webcast…In fact I would pay to see that webcast…YOU GUYS SHOULD HOST IT ON TORRENTFREAK! YEA BABY!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/FuncoLand FuncoLand

    You know there won't be any actual webcasts. If the judge doesn't overturn his decision on the webcast stuff, the MAFIAA is just gonna withdraw their suit.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes

      Ummm… no, I don't know that. It's a possibility, no doubt that.

    • MRL

      They can withdraw their suit, but there are still the counter suit claims that they would have to offer a defense for.

    • m0jo

      Can't something be done against that tactic? Picking a fight and then backing out when it becomes clear that you won't win (because the fight is remotely fair for once).. that's one of the lowest tactics in the world imo.

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  • pink panther

    Won’t the entire case be in the public record anyway? So I wonder why they care?

  • John Dysn

    I am really surprised that someone hasnt taken out the RIAA yet! I mean really!

    anonweb.pro.tc

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

      They do need to be taken out. The first step in taking them out is for the people who want to take them out to pool their resources and exchange ideas – perhaps a simple online forum could do.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Snyke Snyke

        MPAA and RIAA sure do have many enemies, maybe organizing them a bit better could make a difference.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          Indeed. I think that communicating to each other and exchanging ideas is the first step towards better organization. My e-mail is aworldwithoutsnowflakes1@gmail.com and perhaps we could exchange ideas on what could be done.

  • jonnara

    I just linked this article in a forum on whirlpool, the aussie broadband news site to talk about maybe iinet case can also be requested to be webcast and the mods deleted my post saying torrent freak is an inappropriate site lol.

  • jusayin

    The RIAA's methods are as twisted as the logic file sharers use to justify stealing. After reading this story, I get to the bottom of the page and there is a link to the weeks top 10 ripped DVD's.

    File sharer's justification for the legitimacy of their methods is just as manipulative as the RIAA methods. Chicken or the egg….

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

      You should know, since you are definitely on the side of the MAFIAA, touting the fallacy that "file-sharing is stealing" over and over again. I would suppose that you think that file-sharers have tried using FUD and imposing a police state on the internet (which the MAFIAA have devinitely done), which is utter idiocy.

      F*** off.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

      You should know, since you are definitely on the side of the MAFIAA, touting the fallacy that "file-sharing is stealing" over and over again. I would suppose that you think that file-sharers have tried using FUD and imposing a police state on the internet (which the MAFIAA have definitely done), which is utter idiocy.

      F*** off.

      • jusayin

        Rhetoric …

        I'm not on anyone's side, but I believe creatives have rights in controlling the fruits of their labor – and that you deciding to be a free proxy distributor comes comes under those rights.

        So maybe chill, and go watch a movie … I hear Mutiny on the Bounty is good one, you can borrow my copy if you can't find one you don't have to pay for.

        • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          That's right, control, which has nothing to do with profits. (And even if it did, why should damaging another's revenue stream be illegal? Then why don't you make all business competition illegal as well, that also damages revenue streams. Moreover, nobody's revenue stream is being harmed, as Nine Inch Nails shows). You are saying that they ought to have the right to deny people the right to share it and make one's own modifications, (even in a country where it is not released yet). Well, you know what, there is this thing called "freedom of speech," and "right to privacy" where people should be allowed to share their own modifications, and do whatever they want with their own private property. Do they own the ones and zeroes in other people's computers? That is just crazy, and very Orwellian. But of course, you are a copyright holder (MAFIAA) supremacist.

          I'm not on anyone's side
          Nope, you are definitely on the MAFIAA's side.

        • Call of the Mild

          I'm on the side of Those Who Don't Bully,
          and also on the side of getting folks together to take down Those Who Bully,

          I've got no time, patience, good words, well-wishes or any form of encouragement for those on the side of The Gluttonous–
          but Roze–you need to calm down. seriously. The Fight gains nothing from your vitriolic, mindless, uninformed ranting. There are so, so, so many holes in your logic that I don't even know where to start at.

          My point: we need all the fight we can muster, but our cause gains nothing from misinformed, uneducated, circuitous accusations and assumptions.

          Not an attack–a plea. Please take it as such! Light a candle! Don't curse the darkness!
          An informed, even-tempered citizen is of far more use to us in reaching a successful conclusion than is a prejudiced sensationalist..

        • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          Is there no use to sensationalism? After all, I am not attempting to speak to people "on the other side," even if it seems as such. I am not trying to persuade anybody.

          Rather, I am trying to get people to act. It seems like there is too much apathy on the side of the Rightful, even if they are Rightful, and I am trying to at least get people impassioned enough to do something about the situation, or at least urge others to take action in turn (like I am right now). I would doubt that any informed, reasoned, highly educated, even-tempered argument would do much to stir people to action. I really don't think people listen to such highly intellectual arguments. I mean, wouldn't people just brush that off as "snobbish" or something like that? People listen to stirring speeches and sensationalism, not reasoned arguments.

          My purpose is not to persuade, nor to inform, but to actuate.

          I want there to be anger, and if there is not, I want to stir anger. The lack of anger against the MAFIAA and against copyright holder supremacism is just shocking – because there is surely a lot to be angry about.

          Yes, yes, anger can be tricky to work with. It can cause people to act rashly, and can cause people to think less clearly.

          But anger is always necessary.

          Because anger has driven every major movement for social change in this world.

          Tell me a social movement where there has been no anger. Were people calm in the abolitionist movement? The civil rights movement? Women's suffrage? The modern feminist movement? The gay rights movement? The '60's anti-war movement? Every single social movement had anger as its driving force: anger over injustice, anger over mistreatment and brutality, anger over helplessness.

          We can't just be calm and even tempered to get something done. Anger is what is needed, because if we are just going to sit there calmly and "talk nicely," then why the hell would anybody bother to organize social movements in the first place? As somebody else (Greta Christina) had said, "social movements are hard. They take time, they take energy, they sometimes take serious risk of life and limb, community and career. Nobody would fucking bother if they weren't furious about something."

          Saying that there needs to be more calmness and temperateness is like telling David, in his fight against Goliath, to put down his slingshot and… calmly gnaw at Goliath's ankles, or something.

          There needs to be passion. There needs to be anger. Telling people to be calm is the same thing as telling people to disempower themselves.

        • Call of the Mild

          >Is there no use to sensationalism?
          Sure, if you work for Fox News–or to be fair, pretty much any mainstream media these days. It sells.

          >After all, I am not attempting to speak to people "on the other side," >even if it seems as such. I am not trying to persuade anybody.
          And it's evident! Can you imagine how little we'd accomplish if we calmly, measuredly attempted to speak to people on the other side of the fence from us? Jesus–pandemonium it'd be!

          >I would doubt that any informed, reasoned, highly educated,
          >even-tempered argument would do much to stir people to action.
          Totally agree! The reason I enjoy Obama, for example, is because he is quick to judge, holds onto his ideals without thinking through and considering, and sensationalizes everything into a common denominator equivalent to baby food for the brain. You know, so that -anyone- can understand it. He had stirred us into action last year, and hopefully this year, through his anger-stoking speeches calling us to jump to conclusions.

          >I really don't think people listen to such highly intellectual arguments. I >mean, wouldn't people just brush that off as "snobbish" or something >like that?
          I'd much rather listen to someone with informed opinions, snobbish or no.

          >I want there to be anger, and if there is not, I want to stir anger.
          I thought maybe there'd be something to be had from discussing with you–at this point I realised there would be nothing useful, though.
          >But anger is always necessary.
          No.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          If you look at the current situation, you would see that nobody is really passionate enough. I mean, how the hell is anybody supposed to take any action without passion? Taking action is something that takes a lot of money and times, and how the hell is anybody going to go through that kind of effort without passion? In this battle between David and Goliath, is David just supposed to put down his slingshot and calmly talk with Goliath and reason it out?

        • Call of the Mild

          >Because anger has driven every major movement for social change in this world.

          >Tell me a social movement where there has been no anger.
          (Perhaps Ghandi's peaceful protests? How about, given the time of year, MLK's peaceful protests? Arguably, could have been anger–but the point of it was to turn the hate/anger/violence into a constructive flow.)

          >Saying that there needs to be more calmness and temperateness is >like telling David, in his fight against Goliath, to put down his slingshot >and… calmly gnaw at Goliath's ankles, or something.
          Just pointing out that you're using a Biblical reference to prove a point in the same post that you invoked a vehement atheist. It amused me. :)

          >There needs to be passion. There needs to be anger. Telling people >to be calm is the same thing as telling people to disempower >themselves.
          Passion, I agree. And even anger, yes, can be useful. You use it to constantly inform your beliefs, though, and I guarantee you'll run afoul of trouble.

          I'm not sure how this thing got so off-topic so quickly.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

          One thing that you might have missed is the disconnect between the convictions of the mind and the outward actions that people take. The problem I face is not that people think one way or another, but whether people do one thing or another. For this, pathos and ethos determine moreso the action people take, and this is what I speak towards. I do not aim at the logos.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes

          "at least urge others to take action in turn (like I am right now)."

          Are you taking action though: that achieves a great deal more and is much more inspiring to others to do the same than someone saying word to the efect of "people need to do something about this atrocity" (atrocity is not a word I would use, but Roze has used it previously).

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Snyke Snyke

          Artists do, resellers don't.
          I don't get it why people always believe that RIAA and MPAA protect the rights and market of the artists, while they only protect their own interests. Artists in average get $0.20 on each sold Album, does that seem right?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes

          The mission statement of the RIAA is to represent the interests of record labels.

  • Deborah

    Obviously the RIAA is disturbed that they won't get any royalties from the webcast.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Snyke Snyke

      That's probably it :-)

  • Call of the Mild

    The folks that this article speaks of… they have no passion? Creating a website, battling the lawsuit, petitioning the court to allow the proceedings to be viewable by anyone?

    Perhaps.. our miscommunication stems from a difference in our opinions of passion & action. How do you define action? Starting a blog or a forum?

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

      Perhaps a good indication is at least the feeling of wanting to take action. I rarely see anybody comment, "we must do something about this" here. It seems like almost nobody does care, but I shall see. I mean, I could always try starting up my own political organization myself, which requires some money and lawyers, I bet, but it seems fruitless without having anybody actually wanting to support such an organization.

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  • http://musikmaniacs.blogspot.com MusikManiacs

    RIAA is just keeping the pace to get a share from the webcast..

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sinbad Sinbad

    'harm their public image further'

    They couldn't harm their image any further if they tore it apart, trampled it into mud, spat on it, then fed it to wild animals. They're delaying the inevitable.

  • Jacob

    We need to sneak some of those video cameras into the court rooms and secretly record and then distribute it over p2p networks.

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  • ryan

    Hurray!!!

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