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RIAA Stops Lawsuits, But Not the Threats

For years the RIAA has been filing lawsuits against thousands of individuals who allegedly shared copyrighted music. Following recent court setbacks, the lobby group has announced it will stop mass lawsuits. Instead, it will focus on cutting deals with ISPs to disconnect ‘IP-addresses’ that repeatedly share copyrighted music.

riaaIronically, the decision by the RIAA to stop their mass lawsuits is followed by a proposal to target an even larger group of Internet users. The music industry lobbyists state that they are in the process of cutting deals with ISPs to target Internet subscribers that repeatedly infringe on the copyright of the major record labels – the so called three-strikes approach.

This means that millions of people will receive warning emails from their Internet service provider, based on ‘evidence‘ gathered by a third party with a vested interest in the outcome. This will also mean, however, that thousands of individuals will receive emails in error, as the evidence gathering techniques are not as solid as the anti-piracy outfits say. There have been a lot of false accusations already, and this was recently confirmed in mainstream media by the BBC show Watchdog.

The move from individual lawsuits to controlling piracy at the ISP level seems to be the new trend this year. Many countries have looked into the possibility of disconnecting file-sharers from the Internet, often gently pushed by anti-piracy lobbyists. France was the first to present their “three-strikes” law earlier this year, which would allow anti-piracy outfits to police the Internet. The IFPI now plans to implement this worldwide, with or without legislation.

It wont stop there though, if the RIAA gets its way ISPs will also have to pro-actively check for copyrighted content on their network. In their list of suggestions for the controversial ACTA proposal, the RIAA wants ISPs to spy on the files that are transferred by their customers, and check them against a reference database of “copyrighted files”.

ISPs worldwide are not looking forward to policing their networks, but they might find themselves with no other option. Adding further pressure, the RIAA wants ISPs to be held liable for the copyright infringement that takes place on their network, as their proposal suggests “…in the absence of proof to the contrary, an Internet service provider shall be considered as knowing that the content it stores is infringing or illegal, and thus subject to liability for copyright infringement…”

So, while dropping the mass-lawsuits might be considered to be a step forward by some, the change in tactics might very well result in a virtual police state where consumers (and ISPs) are guilty until proven innocent. The RIAA has lost some major battles in court, but if they gain control over ISPs, the future might be even darker than the past.

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  • iiZNZNZNZN!!

    Another step towards reducing our civic rights and privacy :(

  • C

    This is why you should stop paying for music, movies, and software, and instead send donations to a consumer rights lobbyist group. Make sure our elected officials are being bribed by the right people, and stop funding the asshats who’d see us guilty until proven innocent.

  • Babycakes

    +1 for common sense

  • G

    Time to find a good encrypted VPN service.

  • Jackie_Treehorn

    Anyone actually believe this BS. How many downloaders are going to let down their guard now just to give these asses more evidence against us.

    We’ve never trusted the RIAA of MPAA before….why should we start now with this announcement?

  • 5318008

    What is this, 1984?

    • penguin

      yes

  • meagain

    wtf, altough this is a ‘step?’ in the right direction, they are again spewing dark browsn stuff about things they dont know shit about.

    an isp is NOT reliable for the things on its network, it just provides a service! an ISP does NOT store files on its network, because its …a network… no hosting facilities(at least not in that way). an isp CANNNOT determine if a file is illegal(nor can the whrs of the MPIAA) and the burden of proof is totally on the MPIAA but everyone(except themselves?) knows their proof is worth exactly nothing!

    the how low can you go continues for the MPIAA

  • triga

    Encrypt everything.

  • Matt`

    They’re stopping lawsuits, presumably because people are starting to catch on to the idea that they actually have a chance in court if they challenge them, and instead moving to the ISP level where there’s no need for pesky things like the courts or laws.

    Great. Just great.

    I wonder how many high profile false positives it’ll take for moves to be made to make illegal for ISPs to cut someone off on the basis of this kind of accusation. Because that’s all it is – an allegation that you’ve infringed copyright, very possible completely unfounded.

    I wonder if you’d have a case for libel/slander/defamation (whichever one applies in this kind of case) if they accuse you of copyright infringement without good evidence for it…

  • [bsod]

    these are desperate tactics from a dying world, filesharing will continue; isp’s that comply with this method will not.

  • iLLeLogicaL

    Looks like encrypted rar’s are going to be hot again :-/

  • You don’t know me

    Every monitored connection should throw up a message like ‘this transmission was checked and approved by the MAFIAA’.

    Let’s see if people finally get the idea behind net neutrality then.

  • [bsod]

    this wont happen, isps simply cannot disconnect most of their customers and still turn a profit

  • adam

    time to fire up the limewire! never thought id be using that thing again. this is awesome, maby ill fire up the emule again.

  • MeH

    Looks like MPAA is trying to find out if files are illegal or not… But isnt it a filtering system? Oh wait we cant complain to the authroities coz they are on the MPAA payroll… So they will turn a blind eye to it… How about we stop using the internet all together in a fight against it… But that is unrealistic as the internet is more than a pirating heaven! So what can we do to stop it? Point out that there will be false positives, in any system the deploy…

    I hope the ISPs dont have to pay money to have the system installed because as soon as that happens and people get their favourite websites filtered what is going to happen?

    The MPAA is an era where they are no longer controlling what is going to happen, they either have to join the flow and accept or deny it and be doomed into extinction!

    MeH
    Mayhem excites Hell

    • pinguin

      1984

  • Anonymous

    Im working for an ISP and we disconnect criminal pirates that illegally share copyrighted stuff.

    Criminals that do that doesn’t deserve to be free. They should be beaten by police and shot in the head!

    • your dad

      your a fag

  • pink panther

    Hard to imagine it could get worse, but here it is – going direct to ISPs and expecting them to cut off users without proof of anything. Might as well bypass the courts, since there is actually a possibility of due process there. Since ISPs want to disconnect heavy users anyway, to not upgrade their infrastructure, this is a match made in heaven.

  • Aza

    @16 You do sound like a professional :rolleyes:

    Allwell, getting cut off from and I.S.P is better than losing $250,000 from a few low quality songs. Possibly a step in the right direction?

  • Anonymous

    @16, O RLY? I detect a lies.

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    The fact of the matter is that this is simply bad and should be fought. The proper response to this is not merely to ensure that one’s own self is safe. Yes, encryption, &c. are good, but the fact of the matter is that what goes on, that does not necessarily directly affect one’s own self, is also important. Even if you think that what ISPs do, what governments around the world do, and what other people do in regards to file-sharing is inconsequential because one can always do things like encrypt, amongst other things, the fact of the matter is that these things matter to each and every person, because such public disapproval from governments, ISPs, &c. affects everybody in regards to how file-sharing figures into their lives, because it encourages people to regard it as something “bad” – i. e. the symbolic importance affects everybody. Even if it does not affect you directly, it still may affect the people around you in what people do in regards to file-sharing, and their attitudes to file-sharing – and that is just as important as what affects you directly in regards to file-sharing.

    I do not think that sitting down at the table and politely discussing matters with them is a good solution. Do you think that the enemy (i. e. the MAFIAA) is doing that, politely discussing their point of view? Of course not. They are taking drastic measures to go against us. Drastic measures require drastic countermeasures.

    In fact, civil disobedience is necessary. By that, I do not mean merely downloading and uploading more – that is something that nobody can see. Civil disobedience must be public to be effective. They must be fought – not with words, but with actions. This is something that everybody should do – and only through the strength of the people can their dominance be broken.

    Roze

  • Filter my copywrite too

    Since the guy in Russia put a copywrite / patent on the ;-) characters for a winking smile, I thought I would also consider putting a copywrite / patent on the symbols 8-P for a sticking out tongue.

    Now I’m also going to petition to every single ISP in the world and ensure that everyone that uses that combination of characters surrenders to their ISP 10 cents to be paid to me in FULL, no allowing the ISPs to make a profit off my patent.

    The ISPs will incurr all these costs and pass them onto their customers. Regardless of who pays I don’t care. I don’t even care if people use the symbol… I will just assume every person connected with each ISP will incurr $4.50 penalty payable to me…..

    CHA-CHING! Wow, I’m so glad I never bothered to market a worth while product to the general public to begin with… I’m in the money.

  • ju

    @19, O RLY? my TROLL detector was going off.

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  • Anonymous

    They must not have read the entire DMCA because there are provisions that explicitly state that an ISP is NOT responsible for ANYTHING its users do. It doesn’t even matter if they know piracy is going on – IT’S NOT THEIR PROBLEM. These dumbasses should get new lawyers if they think they can pull this shit. They’re literally trying to rewrite the law, the law that they’ve been using so aggressively to sue people. What a bunch of fucking asshats. Hmmm what should I steal now? *sigh* idiots.

  • Hah

    Based on the logic that ISPs are liable for the information that passes through,
    we should be able to sue our state for allowing drugs and other illegal materials to pass through our state highways.

    Our state highways allow much of the illegal drugs through! We must limit this, and check every car against a list of illegal materials.

  • Ahhhh

    Guys… It wont matter “how” the file is encrypted as it will all be based on the “Hash” of the file.

    My point of view is, go ahead & expect an increase in hacked Wifi, even more FALSE accusations, law suits for slander/defamation.

    We have already seen time & time again.

    RIAA, etc LEARN YOUR LESSON WELL. IP sddresses ARE NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING… i cite the Laser torrenting printer :D

    What about the fact that it is well known that certain trackers insert IP Addresses of non-torrenting users?

    Also being connected to a tracker without activity is also NOT Proof of infringment… Until soneone grows the balls to take this the limit (Court) with evidence, they will try to continue thier _Silly_ little games…

    Oh and what about news groups where YOU, the RIAA dont get to see the _Swarm_ ? You lot really a bunch of thick twats aint you?!

    TAKE ME TO COURT, i’m quite sure TPB would love to come along to provide evidence. I want to play a game RIAA, are you game ?

  • matt

    I really doubt the RIAA will be able to pull this off. Most ISP’s are opposed to it as they risk becoming liable for any number of things such as child porn.

    Also, at least in Europe, it is very possible that such monitoring will be declared illegal. The European Court and Parliament have opposed it but national leaders (such as Sarkozy) have supported 3 strikes and monitoring. Once a large number of false positives occur the balance of power might shift.

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    @26 matt
    The power balance ought to shift NOW. Why should anybody wait for bad things to happen first? People should unite and organize NOW to fight them – just as people have united and organized in the organizations like the NAACP in the past to fight racism.

  • trki

    First they came for the Pirates, but as I was not a pirate I did not speak out.
    Then they went for the blogs, but because I was not part of the blogosphere I stayed silent.
    After that they went for the news sites, and as they went silent so was it safer for me do the same.
    When they came for me there was nobody left to speak for me.

    This is paraphrasing a famous quote I don’t need to educate you on. But it is happening. If you value the net then think encryption. Do not allow the establishment to control the most powerful means of information ever devised. Make encryption widespread and forever stop technical means of stopping free speech.

    Remember this. No dictator ever got to power by allowing free speech. By spreading technology that enables free speech you have better chance of avoiding the Hitlers of this world.

  • trki

    It amazes me the short-sightedness of the MAFIAA. It takes little thought to realize that changing the rules of attack only changes the response.

    Are they so deluded to think that something so mainstream will be defeated by aiming at the ISP’s?

    If they are threatening disconnection without discourse to legal means and thus no legal defense then the whole nature of the game changes. Its not a case of I know I’m doing no harm, so let them take me to court – we know now they will pressurize our ISP’s to cut us off from the internet illegally and probably incorrectly, so fuck em.

    It’s time to bring on the big guns here – encryption.

    It’s the only way to protect ourselves, and it is needed NOW, not so people can steal, but to protect ourselves from the NEXT step, which is when the content providers try to shape the internet for their own ends and thus destroy any semblance of freedom.

    The internet is in real danger at the hands of big business and our only real protection is encryption. It cannot be legislated against as business is reliant on it. It cannot be blocked for the same reason.

    Encrypted on mass will save the internet from those who would destroy it. The pirates will lead the way and the majority will benefit from it.

    So take my call – Pirate today and save your freedoms tomorrow!

    First message censored or lost. repost

  • trki

    It amazes me the short-sightedness of the RIAA. It takes little thought to realize that changing the rules of attack only changes the response.

    Are they so deluded to think that something so mainstream will be defeated by aiming at the ISP’s?

    If they are threatening disconnection without discourse to legal means and thus no legal defense then the whole nature of the game changes. Its not a case of I know I’m doing no harm, so let them take me to court – we know now they will pressurize our ISP’s to cut us off from the internet illegally and probably incorrectly, so f**k em.

    It’s time to bring on the big guns here – encryption.

    It’s the only way to protect ourselves, and it is needed NOW, not so people can steal, but to protect ourselves from the NEXT step, which is when the content providers try to shape the internet for their own ends and thus destroy any semblance of freedom.

    The internet is in real danger at the hands of big business and our only real protection is encryption. It cannot be legislated against as business is reliant on it. It cannot be blocked for the same reason.

    Encrypted on mass will save the internet from those who would destroy it. The pirates will lead the way and the majority will benefit from it.

    So take my call – Pirate today and save your freedoms tomorrow!

    *Posted before but awaiting moderation. Have toned down the language so feel free to post this version if it is more suitable. Delete this bit before posting*

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    @28 trki
    No. Encryption is not enough. What is wrong is not that people are getting caught. What is wrong is that any organization/person is trying to catch people in the first place, or, even if they do not, that they have the power to.

    After all, what was wrong was not that people got caught doing things that Hitler disapproved of. What was wrong was that Hitler (and his Gestapo) was trying to catch people in the first place, or, even if he didn’t, his ascendancy to dictatorship in the first place.

    More important than preventing abuses from the MAFIAA is ensuring that the MAFIAA has no power to do it in the first place.

    To this end, encryption is a recognition of defeat, a sign that one is not willing to fight back in the open. No, encryption may be the temporary solution, but it is not the permanent one – organizing and fighting back is what is necessary.

    Roze

  • trki

    *would love a way to edit posts and a hole to hide from showing my noobishness*

  • Ziki

    @29 Qoute:
    “It’s time to bring on the big guns here – encryption.”

    What are some lay-men, practical applications of encryption? with respect to file sharing?

  • trki

    @Roze
    You are correct that any organization that is trying to catch people in the first place is a travesty. But how can you fight against the dictator once he is in place – you stand up and you are mown down so grass roots anonymous action is the only thing that can get people to act against such abuses.

    It is too late to fight against the RIAA etc normally – they have proved time and again from the ease they get stupid undemocratic laws passed from all political parties that their corruption is widespread.

    We will not get a change in they way they practice until we fight them in a way they cannot respond to, otherwise they use the politicians they have paid for to do their dirty work and make it null and void.

    “encryption is a recognition of defeat, a sign that one is not willing to fight back in the open”

    Fine. They abuse the law so we use our brains. It is classic Guerrilla warfare. Defeat is debatable.- Most Guerrilla warfare loses the battle but wins the war. They have power and we have little. That only means we are more flexible.

    It is a war for our minds – stopping piracy for the RIAA is one step – is there any reason for the increasingly authoritarian governments of the world NOT to use such censorship to further control their population?

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    “But how can you fight against the dictator once he is in place – you stand up and you are mown down so grass roots anonymous action is the only thing that can get people to act against such abuses.”
    That is exactly what I advocate – grass roots is the only way to fight them.

    “It is too late to fight against the RIAA etc normally”
    Thus, the only way to fight them is through open civil disobedience.

    “until we fight them in a way they cannot respond to”
    Encryption is not something they cannot respond to. Open civil disobedience is.
    –In fact, I think that the best way to fight them is to create one’s own derivative works, and give them out in public for free. I am not sure whether this is actually the best way or not, but even if it is not, to this end, organization, and being within organizations (like the NAACP) is very much helpful no matter what.

    “They have power and we have little”
    That is only true because we are not organized yet. To organize and unify is a very important thing. I do not mean centralize – but it is very possible to be unified without centralization.

    Roze

  • Sun5

    Everyone should stop buying music,stop making the fat-cats fatter.See how THEY like THAT.

  • trki

    @Roze
    I think we are on the same page but speaking a slightly different language. I personally feel that a “grass root” movement moves faster if the members feel safer by being anonymous – hence by feeling that encryption would work better. Each person would add to the pot without risking much personally.

    You are correct in that proper organization is needed in the long term, but I do not think we have much time to organize before the steps towards “network neutrality” come to term so priority should be towards bypassing any blocks before the corporate firewall comes into place.

    You are looking in hope that things will stay more or less the same. I am not. I Hope I am wrong, but on the bright side, if I am right you won’t be able to hear me moan about it as the powers that be will have gagged me.

  • Anonymous

    I see class action lawsuits being filed against ISP’s by innocent customers in the future.

  • Anonymous

    @16:

    Congradulations — the ISP you work for has lost its Common Carrier status. It is thus legially liable for *all* illegal traffic its users send over it.

  • Anonymous

    The isp’s should tell them to take a flying leap.

  • Anonymous

    It’s time to start massive protests by destroying copyrighted music and movie disks in the streets.

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    @36 trki
    Do not you think, however, that it be best to bring it to real-life resistance? After all, only a few people can see what goes on on the internet all the time, and even if everybody uses the internet, it is still something that is private and thus cannot be observed, and thus nothing that the public can join at will – no, a true resistance is not merely downloading, but also public actions. I mean marches, parades, protest meetings, &c. – of course those things are when there are many people already. Organization first is what is necessary for it.

    Roze

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    @40 Dec 19, 2008 at 21:07 by Anonymous
    That was what I was thinking too. Public bonfires to burn MAFIAA crap!

    Roze

  • Anonymous

    How long has the RIAA been around now? They’re getting nowhere and they never will get anywhere. Piracy will never be stopped, you can’t put solid ownership on data.

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    Actually, thinking upon it even further, I think it would be appropriate to burn effigies of the top MAFIAA heads.

    Roze

  • trki

    @ 34 Ziki

    You asked for a practical laymans guide to encryption with regards to file sharing. I am not an expert, and I don’t have time to find the links that could answer your question fully atm, but as I brought it up I feel I should say something.

    As you probably know, a large amount of web traffic uses SSL – a fairly simple but mature form of encryption. It is simple enough for quick transport and encryption and decryption on the fly. Also consider VPN – trusted secure enough for business transactions. And while business’s cut corners on customers they insist on the best when their money is at stake.

    A lot of web traffic is thus encrypted, and as you cannot tell if encrypted traffic is a business report or a torrent without cracking the encryption or fully tracing the path (which is not easy in either case) any effort to track if a piece of data is legitimate or not requires technical knowedge far beyond what is used by RIAA at the moment, and would cost too much to be economically viable.

    If, say, many torrent clients were to change the traffic to utilize SSL as the default,both for handshaking connection and for p2p transaction, then at a minimal speed cost the security would go up for sharers tenfold, and any governmental agent would have a nightmare trying to stop it. How could ISP’s block or traffic shape this without seriously disrupting the normal secure connections of tens of thousands of ordinary websites?

    But it’s not just for file sharers. One reason the Bush government got away with so much is because the protections on whistle blowers was eroded to the point that those who wanted to give evidence against the NeoCons had no guarantee that they wouldn’t be punished for speaking out. So of course they had to stay silent to stay safe.

    Anonymity and the tools to provide the same are enemies of tyranny which is why the establishment fights against them with every dirty trick in its arsenal, from “terrorists could use it” to “pedos could use it”,”if you’ve nothing to hide…”,”please think of the children”

    If you truly want to protect your children, then stop this madness. If the oligarchy controls the internet then our last, best hope of freedom of speech is doomed. It’s spoon fed spin and propaganda and the truth swept under the rug until we are under the boot forever.

    @Rozo As more and more demonstrations are being sidelined, marginalized, controlled and dispersed by the police, not to mention involvement of agent-provocateurs as well documented; public demonstrations archive nothing. Remember the massive protests against the Iraq war that were just ignored. The only options as the Greeks have shown is violence; or alternative means. I distrust violence, as it just leads to more violence so fighting technologically is the only option I can see, and has the side benefit of not having to go out in the cold and exposing your identity to the authorities.

    People need to start thinking outside the box, not fall prey to the ideas that have trapped many others in cycles of violence or futile passive demonstrations that archive nothing, and start looking at other methods.

    Find ways of becoming invisible to the fascists, encrypt your traffic to stop them finding you out, THEN you are safe to organize against them.

  • RUSE the.magazine

    Finally nice to see them chill out a bit. Doing a piece on the history of online music, we were amazed as we learned more and more about many of the RIAA’s lawsuits. From children to old ladies, the list was neverending. Now maybe Metallica will issue an apology to its fans as well!

    Read our “History of Online Music” at http://www.RUSEmag.com

  • Anonymous

    Huh…? What’s with all the doom and gloom?

    This is a fucking brutal defeat for the RIAA. By giving up on mass lawsuits, they’re admitting two things.

    1. Filesharing is such a minor offence that suing people for it is ludicrous and ineffective. No judge on the face of the Earth is going to even entertain the idea of fining a filesharer thousands of dollars and/or throwing them in jail. The only thing that suing a filesharer ultimately accomplishes is drawing attention to the fact that filesharing isn’t stealing, when the court refuses to try them for theft despite the delusions of the prosecution.

    2. The only “evidence” the RIAA and its affiliates like Davinport Lyons can gather doesn’t hold up in a court of law.

    They’re out of options and their back is against the wall. Anybody who’s been paying attention to the news lately knows that the RIAA has had absolutely miserable luck trying to get ISPs to adopt a three-strikes policy.

    This is because ISPs are a business. They don’t want to disconnect their own paying customers, and filesharers make up a large chunk of the users signed up with their super highspeed whoop-de-doo broadband packages. They also don’t want to get into legal trouble for disconnecting thousands(millions?) of customers who’ve never even fileshared in their life, based on the RIAA’s faulty “evidence”.

    But most of all, ISPs refuse to constantly spy on their customers’ file transfers and check them against a reference database of copyrighted material, because such a system is a logistical impossibility. Trying to implement it would end in failure and bankruptcy. It’s the stuff of pure fatcat fantasy.

    The RIAA are now at a turning point. They aren’t cutting deals with ISPs to make them police their users and adopt a three strikes policy, that’s just the public face they’re putting on it. The truth is, they’re getting shot down left and right in one-sided negotions.

    And as for ACTA, their additions to it are just a pipedream. Unrealistic, unenforcable, and loathed to bits by ISPs – who now hold more lobbying power than the ailing recording industry dinosaur.

    They’re at the point where it’s time to evolve or die. And they know it.

    Until now, I’ve never had a problem with any Torrentfreak article. But shame on Ernesto for making what is, in reality, likely to be the RIAA’s last desperate gasp sound instead like it’s the end of the world.

  • Warning Email

    The problem with warning emails is that many people don’t use the email address that the ISP offers but instead use yahoo mail or Google’s gmail.

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    @45 Dec 19, 2008 at 21:59 by trki
    “People need to start thinking outside the box, not fall prey to the ideas that have trapped many others in cycles of violence or futile passive demonstrations that archive nothing, and start looking at other methods.”
    The thing is that none of the things I have suggested have been tried yet. Best to try first – you can never know how it will really turn out before trying.

    For example, there is no reason to suggest that anything I have suggested (like demonstrations, &c.) is unsafe and will lead to arrest by authorities – unless it has actually ALREADY happened.

    I think that it is time to be more empirical about how things will work: you never know the results of what you have never done before, until you try.

    Roze

  • Anonymous

    *facepalm*

    And shame on my for forgetting to close the bold tag…

  • trki

    Thankyou to the Anonymous poster who exhorted us not to fall to doom and gloom. Not quite that simple though, as the example of Europe shows – the MAFIAA tried to get the three strikes on the law books. The judges of european law ruled against it. And then the President overruled the judges. There is massive pressure (all that money in their pockets) on the politicians – and the politicians can pass laws that would make it illegal for the ISP’s not to play ball.

    You are right that the ISP’s stand to lose from legislation – they will kick up a storm, but ultimately they will lose as they don’t bribe their representatives on the same scale as the record companies.

    As for it being a defeat, are you sure they won’t just spin it to make themselves out as whiter than white. They already know the general public has the attention span of a goldfish. Soon it will be pirates are bad; we are only cutting off the internet of BAD people; sue innocents, what us, you must be thinking of someone else?

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    “As for it being a defeat, are you sure they won?t just spin it to make themselves out as whiter than white. They already know the general public has the attention span of a goldfish. Soon it will be pirates are bad; we are only cutting off the internet of BAD people; sue innocents, what us, you must be thinking of someone else?”

    That is very true. I emphasize the following very important point:

    That the public believes whatever the MAFIAA says, rather than go along with the other side, simply because THERE IS NO OTHER SIDE – THE PRO-FILE-SHARING SIDE IS NON-EXISTENT. Simply put, the MAFIAA has been putting up a hard stance all this time, but on the other side, there is no organization, no mobilization, no unity whatsoever – so that, simply put, the MAFIAA is effectively un-opposed – so people will naturally go along with the MAFIAA, since their anti-piracy ideas are the only ones around, and nobody hears about the other side. I don’t know why this is so, but it seems like all the file-sharers are asleep, letting the MAFIAA just have its way with the public opinion. This is the biggest disadvantage – that although the MAFIAA has their propaganda, the other side does not even have any representation. It is time for file-sharers to stop being silent on this issue, and speak out in public upon it, in some way.

    Roze

  • Reasoned Mind

    Roze, the “pro-filesharing side is nonexistent” because there is no honor among thieves. If there was a shred of morality or righteousness to your cause you would have organized 8 long years ago. Give it up. You have nothing in common with the dignity of civil rights. You are the equivalent of a person in a nightclub slipping an ashtray into their pocket on the way out the door, being noticed by staff, then complaining you are being “unreasonably” searched. Prior to Napster in 1999-2000, the network was free, clear, fast with virtually no police presence. We didn’t need any until you all effed this up. Never forget that your simple, low-class, pilfering behavior is what compels all this. Now it’s too late. You’ve given them what they need and eventually you’ll be squashed like a bug. Bye bye freedoms, see you later privacy.

    Feels good to me, watching you all struggle with reality like this. Stupid asswipes.

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    @54 “Reasoned” Mind
    You are wrong.

    @everyone else
    And we need to prove it – through actions, not merely words. Currently, the pro-file-sharing side is non-existent, leaving the MAFIAA unopposed – surely this is not the way things ought to be. We need to change all of that – by organizing into a movement.

    Roze

  • stfu

    Countries billions and trillions of monies in debt, unemployment goung through the roof, slow and seteady erosian of civil liberties, country after country turning into totalitarian police states and virtualy none of that is producing civil unrest. yet Roze seems to then that a few filesharers burning some cd’s in the streets will achieve something. Get a clue. There are far more important REAL LIFE issues people should be concerned about rather that this bullshit “lets rally for our “right” to rip people off” mentality.

  • John WOods

    LOL, silly RIAA!

    Jes
    anonymity.at.tc

  • Reasoned Mind

    Roze, you are wasting your electrons. A large idea whose time has come will always attract people of all sorts bound together by a common thread of decency and purpose. You are trying to organize petty thieves, people willing to trade their privacy and the freedom we all once enjoyed for a few terrabytes of product they understand perfectly well has always, historically been for sale. Except now they can hide at home, behind diminishing privacy laws they themselves are destroying. And they do it anyway. And they steal whatever they can get until government catches up to technology. You don’t even come to the aid of Daniel Dove, or Jammie, or anyone. You hide like rats because that is what you are.

    You’ve defined yourselves in the public eye by your own actions, your inherent smallmindedness, Roze. Every last one of you.

    Time, justice, fairness, law, common sense, human nature…..none was never on your side. Only technology is, coupled with your pilfering, cravenly ways. Don’t be surprised that your petty stealing is taking the technology down with it, Roze. As if stealing files helps the creator of those files. (chuckle) You are all living a lie because you can get free stuff. No integrity. You’ve had over eight years. Even the musicians are finally furious with your bullshit. End of story.

  • Sam Parkinson

    “an Internet service provider shall be considered as knowing that the content it stores is infringing or illegal”

    Aside from their caching servers, ISP don’t actually store everything that goes through them do they…

    If I’m right, that statments a bit useless isn’t it?

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    “none was never on your side”
    Aside from the double negative there, (i. e. taking it to mean “no one was ever on your side”), I can assure you that you are wrong, a fact which I hope I can demonstrate in due time. You are my opponent, and that is all.

    @rest of you
    In fact, I think that it is very important to prove this “Reasoned” Mind wrong. Do not you all think that it is important to organize into a movement, to change the laws, etc.? It has happened somewhat in Sweden, with the Piratbyran, but there is no such organization in the United States. To say that the EFF is like the Piratbyran is a joke – those two are nothing alike. We need an organization more grassroots than the EFF – something that can not only do legal battles, but also more – like the NAACP.

    Roze

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    @56 Dec 20, 2008 at 00:31 by stfu
    You’re only blind not to see its importance. It is quite important, actually.

    Roze

  • Anonymous

    Huh…? What’s with all the doom and gloom?

    This is a fucking brutal defeat for the RIAA. By giving up on mass lawsuits, they’re admitting two things.

    1. Filesharing is such a minor offence that suing people for it is ludicrous and ineffective. No judge on the face of the Earth is going to even entertain the idea of fining a filesharer thousands of dollars and/or throwing them in jail. The only thing that suing a filesharer ultimately accomplishes is drawing attention to the fact that filesharing isn’t stealing, when the court refuses to try them for theft despite the delusions of the prosecution.

    2. The only “evidence” the RIAA and its affiliates like Davinport Lyons can gather doesn’t hold up in a court of law.

    They’re out of options and their back is against the wall. Anybody who’s been paying attention to the news lately knows that the RIAA has had absolutely miserable luck trying to get ISPs to adopt a three-strikes policy.

    This is because ISPs are a business. They don’t want to disconnect their own paying customers, and filesharers make up a large chunk of the users signed up with their super highspeed whoop-de-doo broadband packages. They also don’t want to get into legal trouble for disconnecting thousands(millions?) of customers who’ve never even fileshared in their life, based on the RIAA’s faulty “evidence”.

    But most of all, ISPs refuse to constantly spy on their customers’ file transfers and check them against a reference database of copyrighted material, because such a system is a logistical impossibility. Trying to implement it would end in failure and bankruptcy. It’s the stuff of pure fatcat fantasy.

    The RIAA are now at a turning point. They aren’t cutting deals with ISPs to make them police their users and adopt a three strikes policy, that’s just the public face they’re putting on it. The truth is, they’re getting shot down left and right in one-sided negotions.

    And as for ACTA, their additions to it are just a pipedream. Unrealistic, unenforcable, and loathed to bits by ISPs – who now hold more lobbying power than the ailing recording industry dinosaur.

    They’re at the point where it’s time to evolve or die. And they know it.

    Until now, I’ve never had a problem with any Torrentfreak article. But shame on Ernesto for making what is, in reality, likely to be the RIAA’s last desperate gasp sound instead like it’s the end of the world.

  • Reasoned Mind

    There are almost 7 billion people in the world and yet the number of lunatic fringers who actually believe they have some inherent right to copy, change or outright steal the work of others could all be comfortably gathered on a small island in the Maldives with enough room left over for all to spread out beach blankets. You are a passing pimple on the ass of history, Rose, and you’ll be squeezed and popped like all the rest.

  • riaa’s death rattle

    This just shows that its nearly over for the corporate whores.

    @ corporate trolls

    What’s that you say…technology on our side

    Yup sure is & its getting better every day

    Sleep tight =0)

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  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    @62 Dec 20, 2008 at 01:30 by “Reasoned” Mind

    Actually, the number of members of fanfiction (dot) net is actually quite high – as is the number of members of The Pirate Bay. Now please live up more to your name.

    & rest of you – it is highly important to wake up and actually organize together, gather in a group like the NAACP, and organize concerted action.

    Roze

  • ISP ends up wiht liability for a false positive

    would be interesting to make your own home move and put it in xvid format then rar and pack it like hte pirated stuff then send it all over and do it unencrytped so that the ISP catches and disconnects you.

    That in and of itself would make the ISP liable and unless its fool proof it cant be done.
    What the riaa and mpaa need to hink is technology makes it cheaper
    lower your prices , drop drm and stop the stupidity, it may take ten years but if ya do that the NORMAL majority may return to a certain degree.

    Sueing diasabled innocents was the nail that jit the coffina dn the TRUE fact that people started actually contemplating violence on musicians and actos.
    THats where you go when you push a dmeocratic society and do NOT listen to it

  • Anonymous

    It’s funny to see so many freetards of the FREE LUNCH COMMITTEE up in arms over their rights even as they blitzkrieg across the rights of content creators the world over.

    lol

  • Billy

    These corporate bullies are finished. They shriek and wail and lash out as they lose their stranglehold over the market. This is a victory, although I expect more frenzied thrashings as they writhe in their death throes at the end of their corporate copyright model. RIP. Long live the PiratByan!

  • Jacob

    Fuck them i’m innocent to proven guilty. 1s and 0s can be edited. Digital evidence can be faked so can not be used. If they send me one of these letters i’m going to take them to court.

  • Anonymous

    RIAA, shut the fuck up and piss off.

  • h33t

    we are coding the solution :-D

  • mehearty’s

    If the coding takes to long to perfect and the RIAA gain ground,

    Then operation Somalia will be put into action with my shipmates taking control of the exchanges.

    It’s our internet, we own it.

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    @68 Dec 20, 2008 at 03:52 by mehearty’s
    Indeed, doing nothing, and hoping that developments naturally go for the best, based on the idea that the RIAA will inevitably head towards extinction, is merely a game of chance. Surely something like this cannot be left to chance: we must ENSURE that the RIAA goes extinct. And to do that, people must be mobilized against them.

    Roze

  • LOL @ Roze

    Instead of raving about how we need mass protests, movements and a political voice would you please either do something towards this end or STFU?

    You’re ramblings just seem like the fantasy of an over-stimulated moron who prefers to live in his own dream world otherwise. If you’re so enthusistic, please go and actually DO SOMETHING in REALITY instead of exhorting others to do so. Or is that too much like hard work and not like imagining it in your own head?

  • Salvatore

    @ #67 h33t
    we are coding the solution :-D

    After being freshly pursued by brein? please…..

  • mehearty’s

    Operation Somalia has been deployed in the UK and is good to go January 2009.

    A direct response to Virgin media the RIAA and any other organisation who claim to own the internet.

    Operation Somalia is taking her maden voyage to an exchange near you.

    ISP’S……. time to invest in some compensation.

  • Ziki

    @Triki: Thank You for your response;very informative

    @mehearty’s: “Operation Somalia”…

    What is this “Operation Somalia” you speak of?

  • http://www.10ch.org www.10ch.org

    @74 Dec 20, 2008 at 03:57 by LOL @ Roze
    “Just doing things” just does not cut it. People must plan things together, discuss it, and agree to it before it is done. It would be appropriate to act only when it gains support from people. After all, there must be strength through numbers and support first – that is the whole premise of organization and unification, like the NAACP.

    Roze

  • stfu

    @Roze

    “You’re only blind not to see its importance. It is quite important, actually”

    No it is not important. Keeping your job is impotant. Getting out of debt is important. Protecting your family is important. Whining about your right to infringe copyright is childish. Millions of starving people in the world, billions of people living below the poverty line, millions of uneducated kids, war, disease THOSE are important. If you put as much effort into any of those as you have your piss poor attempt at trolling this site you may have actually made some difference for the good in this world. As it stands you are a person without any real principals, no tangible argument and a self centered egocentric small minded view of the world around you. Pissing in the wind springs to mind.

  • Grok

    “…in the absence of proof to the contrary, an Internet service provider shall be considered as knowing that the content it stores is infringing or illegal, and thus subject to liability for copyright infringement…”

    Can anyone say, “Guilty before proven innocent”?

    That’s just absolutely absurd.

    This shows even further the true colors and schemes of these idiotic media thugs.

  • ditto

    These guys are dirty i actually feel sick reading some of the stuff they have done. IMO ISP`s must think about how much is actually being shared and how many users that is millions could mean a huge loss esp with bad times as we are in.

  • Anonymous

    Or if people didn’t want to worry at all about getting sued, they could just use BitTorrent in I2P.

    It’s in beta, but it works. They want more users, so if you’re even sightly technically minded, you should try it out.

    Info
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I2P
    Download
    http://www.i2p2.de/download

  • AvangionQ

    [REPEAT POST] The RIAA, MPAA, CRIA, DCMA – still don’t get it … they still haven’t learned that by angering your consumer base, you’re effectively cutting yourself off at the knees … economically speaking, its very bad practice to try to force your product upon consumers – more often than not, you’ll just drive them away to your competition … is it any wonder that they are so hated on the worldwide internet community? Don’t they understand that they’re getting their own consumer base stacked up against them, just looking for alternate means of getting around their antiquated business plan … [ADDENDUM 1] That’s what I’ve said so many times, and to finally see that they’ve learned from their mistakes … I’d say congratulations … [ADDENDUM 2] Looks like they haven’t learned their lesson yet after all …

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  • Anonymous

    A little thought..
    If everyone that ever pirated anything (image, audio, video, game, ect..) was to walk into their local police station and turn themselves in..
    AND everyone did it on the same day..

    Just how much room do you suppose the prisons have? Just how many lawyers, police officers, guards would be included in the mass of pirates?

    Furthermore, one could simply just buy a stack of DVD’s, CD’s, envelopes and stamps. Or just walk over to a friends out with a memory card or USB stick.

    Maybe the RIAA would like to confiscate everyones old mix tapes as well.

  • Anonymous

    The MAFIAA will likely offer the ISPs incentives to comply; like for example, selling content for them and taking a percentage.

    The ISP’s greed will motivate them to disconnect users, for why would they compete with free? And while this is happening, regulators and governments will sit on their hands watching us suffer like good little lap dogs obeying their corporate masters.

  • Anonymous

    I’m going to burn 50 audio cds and distribute them in my town centre for free. And I’m going to do this every up to christmas. The MAFIAA can go F.CK itself in the arse for all I care. I wont rest until I destroy those MOTHER F.CKers.

  • Anonymous

    Make no mistake about it, this is a war. But we have numerical and technological superiority.

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  • Zoness

    I better save some money for a VPN

  • lem09

    “we respectfully request that you remove or disable access to the unauthorized music”
    hi, they note that the letter does not waive the right to prosecute the file sharer, but it does make me feel that sharing is safer, that less is being risked.

    my question is: what about the uk?

  • Anonymous

    Reasoned Dipshit: “You are trying to organize petty thieves, people willing to trade their privacy and the freedom we all once enjoyed for a few terrabytes of product they understand perfectly well has always, historically been for sale ….”

    Why hello there, hired MAFIAA plant!

    I’m sorry to inform you that filesharing isn’t stealing. No matter how many times you rant and rave that “FILESHARERS = THIEVES!!” as you foam at the mouth, you don’t have the power to change reality.

    And the reality is, duplicating a digital file is not the same thing as stealing property. That’s why no court of law on the face of the Earth has ever tried a filesharer for theft.

    You know what a court of law is, don’t you? They’re the legal body that gets to decide what does and does not constitute as stealing. Not you, and not your braindamaged MAFIAA boyfriends.

    Please do keep denying reality, though. It makes for some excellent comedy :D

  • The UK

    OMFG MY ECONOMY IS FUCKED!

  • lem09

    Having said that, I want to add that it’s probably worth the risk either way. I absolutely love file sharing :-D

  • Pirate Bob

    Whether it is “stealing” is a mute point, everyone has broken the law before. And probably doing something more anti-social than annoying a few anal retentives in the music business.

    Like lem09 said, torrents make many people happy, why should they stop just because of some outdated ideas about property? I mean if God thought that music shouldn’t be shared, he wouldn’t have invented the internet.

    I await the storming of the infrastructure of every nation state with a sense of satisfied calm. And a rusty pitchfork.

  • NubCakes

    “’m sorry to inform you that filesharing isn’t stealing. No matter how many times you rant and rave that “FILESHARERS = THIEVES!!” as you foam at the mouth, you don’t have the power to change reality.”

    YHou’re right, however it is infringment of copyright. Whether you believe this to be right of wrong, it is still, legally speaking, against the law in mot jurisdictions.

    And the reality is, duplicating a digital file is not the same thing as stealing property. That’s why no court of law on the face of the Earth has ever tried a filesharer for theft.

    Again you’re correct. However filesharers have been successfully prosecuted for copyright infringement.

    I down everything – havent purchased media for years. However IMO many people here fail to distinguish between their own personal viewpoints on “right” and “wrong” and what is legal or not according to the law. They seem to mix the two up in order to state their own case.

  • Anon

    What we need is encryption, but not for protection of ourselves (in the end the MPAA and RIAA can still find us, regardless of our attempts at security p2p will never be completely “safe” – they just need to establish a connection with us and we wouldn’t know the difference.)

    What we need encryption for is to protect our ISPs deniability. What we need is to give our ISPs the ability to deny allegations against us. Encrypting our connections would give our ISPs the inability to confirm what the RIAA (or when they inevitably start, the MPAA) claims, so if our ISPs are ever challenged on the matter of why they did not disconnect users on the basis of the RIAA’s “request” our ISPs can say to the RIAA, “We have no way of telling if what you say is bull shit or not, we cannot disconnect this user, we have no proof against them”
    I feel certain that, given the chance, most ISPs would deny disconnecting their user’s Internet- how the hell would they make money if they were given orders to discontinue service to half of their users and they couldn’t find a way to side-step the matter?
    that being said, I also believe that this has gone too far. If these lobby groups succeed with their threats (and i am assuming laws that they are trying to make) then they are getting WAY too much power, and influencing the future of the Internet too directly. They’ve got to go.

  • Anonymous

    what’s deniability good for if your ISP betrays you by cooperating with the MAFIAA voluntarily?

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  • CastleMan

    I subscribe to the local newspaper. If one of their writers quotes a copyrighted work without proper attribution and I then give that newspaper to someone else to read, this idea makes me criminally liable for sharing copywrited information and the newspaper has to cut off my subscription — same concept, different medium.

    How insane is that? I lose my subscription because some writer made an error? Hell, I’ll SUE THEM for breach of contract!

  • LegalEagle

    They’ll never get away with this. If my ISP cuts me off for ALLEGEDLY sharing copyrighted content, I will sue them for breach of contract because my contract with them says nothing about HOW I use their service.

    They provide connection, that’s all. These watchdogs groups cannot FORCE them to monitor content that passes through their servers because that would incur great additional costs to the ISPs and they can’t be expected to pay all that extra money for no benefit to themselves. The RIAA would have to PAY FOR IT. And I don’t think they’ll want to do that.

  • Reasoned Mind

    Legal, you don’t know your law. For decades, a cop can pull your license on the spot for speeding, drunk driving, any “allegation” he wants. You can wind up in a call for “alleged” bad public behavior. And probable cause–well established by the filesharing community at this point–opens the door to a wide array of surveillance techniques, all legal. Where did you get the idea that you are somehow legally empowered to steal?

    The ISP’s are under the FCC and the FCC can create and implement any rule it wants, including making the ISP accountable as a cost of doing business. That cost will get passed on to us, not the RIAA. And the ISP will accept all this with little problem because it finally gives them the tools and the legal motivation to remove the 5% of bandwidth leeches that consumes a disproportionate percentage of their service. In fact, it would create a net improvement for the other 95% of us and they could postpone infrastructure improvement almost indefinitely as they continue to keep you off and reduce the degree of online fraud, crime and infringement. It’s all win-win-win for the public, the ISP, the industries. Only infringers get pinched.

    It’s enlightening here to realize that few of you have any real concept of the true issues at hand. It’s entertaining to watch you squeal about your rights as you leverage them to steal shit. (laughing) You are all so painfully dumb. You’ll be marginalized soon enough. And no, I have no connection to these industries whatsoever. I have a conscience for the digital artists you are raping.

    • http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com Ben Jones

      REasoned mind – sorry, I hate to burst your bubble, but a quick clarification of the facts.
      1) a cop can pull your license. Nope, sorry not true. They can arrest you for something, but you have to be formally charged, and prosecuted, through the courts. Probably cause also has to apply in a specific circumstance, with the alleged target. That a road goes past a bar does not give probably cause to stop anyone for drink-driving. There has to be probable cause that the person you are targetting has committed an offense.

      The FCC (with which I personally have had many dealings) can indeed impliment rules, but it is loathe to. I would rather impliment guidelines, which, according to ISPs themselves, are ‘not enforceable, but just suggestions of best practice’ (see the Comcast-sandvine hearings). I would also strongly contest your 95% figure. New information from the UK suggests 6M regularly fileshare, thats more than 5% of the total population, not just broadband connected households. PLus, think it’ll be cheaper? As others have said, with no p2p, theres no need for the high end connections, those $50/month subscriptions, will drop to the $10/month ones. How do you think the shareholders will like the income dropping by maybe half. I’m thinking ‘Hmm, better raise the prices then on the lower packages’.

      What’s amusing is that you are blisfully unaware of how badly educated you are. We’re all ‘digital artists’. I’ve worked in TV, for a record company, and I write. I’ve done digital media, I’ve done oldschool media., and most of all, I know artists. Digital artists are indeed getting raped, but so are the traditional artists. It’s not by the ones you claim ‘steal’, but by the ones you think are protecting. What they ae protecting is not the artists (“I don’t care, if he doesn’t like it, he can pay the penalty clause and get out, we can get 3 new ones tommorow”) but their own cut.

  • IanD

    The RIAA and their DRM mates screwed up the entire music industry by refusing to make downloads easily *and cheaply* available and attacking Napster instead.

    If they’d done this — say, made downloads 1/3 or 1/4 the price of a “real” album — the whole “illegal” download scene would probably never have taken off, people would have thought they were getting their money’s worth if track was a few tens of cents (instead of a dollar) and an album a few dollars (instead of ten).

    Instead we’ve got into a situation where a lot of people think it’s OK to download stuff “for free” because they’re just sticking it to the RIAA scum, yeah right on man.

    So don’t complain if/when the artists whose music you’re downloading stop recording any more because hardly anybody buys their albums for real money — they’ll make all their money from live performances and merchandising, and you won’t *have* anything to download “for free” any more.

    And if they don’t make albums and you want to hear them you’ll *have* to pay several tens or even hundreds of dollars to go to a live concert, and then do it again if you want to hear them again.

    Who’s losing out now — you or the RIAA?

  • Roze

    @79 Dec 20, 2008 at 04:32 by stfu
    The fact of the matter is that where the law goes wrong – it is always a big problem, especially when bad things happen to good people, as a result of the law going wrong. When the legal system and government is screwed up, it is always a big problem.

    Roze

  • vermi

    File sharing is not theft.
    Yes – there is a far lower ethic wrong in distributing original creative work and denying income to that creator.
    Mitigated by the fact that REAL SALES are not being diminished to any substantial degree.
    Media costs are inflated to a ridiculous extent by an outdated industry where bloated middlemen take most of the profit. This is what’s hurting them.
    For creative media content to survive as a business, there must be a more attractive, very cheap, very easy option for consumers. This entails slim distribution in service of the content creator – not mega distribution which has been cheating artists for years.
    To succeed, these media companies must be choked at both ends. Artists have to continue to pursue alternate distribution. Consumers have the ultimate power by not cooperating with the current commercial model.

    @roze the action we can do, and to propagate is simple. Share your media with everyone you know – especially less technical people.
    Encourage them to share. Give dvd’s of mp3′s this christmas (to everyone, or external drives with your whole collection of music. Every traditional customer you eliminate helps choke the neck and starve the RIAA. The time will approach when they cannot afford to fight and use legal or lobbyist means (these are expensive). Soon they will face the reality. They must downsize, reduce prices, add value to their sales model.

  • Anonymous

    @IanD

    You have overlooked one minor detail: If concerts and merchandise become the main ways artists make their money, there would be no reason for them to not release some of their songs for free download. This would be an excellent way to advertise and promote themselves. In fact, the more I think about it the more I like it, and I hope it actually happens. Because among other things this will show which artists are really good – no matter what tricks are used to promote an artist(s) if the people that go to his/her/their first live decide that they don’t like it they won’t go to another concert, and that’s it.

    Yeah, I know it’s not as simple as it sounds, but I hope you got my idea.

  • Roze

    @103 IanD
    “So don’t complain if/when the artists whose music you’re downloading stop recording any more because hardly anybody buys their albums for real money — they’ll make all their money from live performances and merchandising, and you won’t *have* anything to download ‘for free’ any more.”
    Eh… incorrect. Really, if artists make their money from live performances and merchandising, the fact of the matter is that making recordings actually helps them, since it is pretty much free advertising for them.

    Roze

  • vermi

    A quick addition to my last post.
    It’s the previous values of distribution and marketing of the mega labels that USED to have value. It is now worth very little.

    If they had adopted an appropriate distribution model earlier, they’d be much better off. By delaying, they will only cause more people to choose free.

  • mustangx

    “According to a report on Wired.com, the RIAA spokesman claimed that the RIAA has not filed any new lawsuits ‘for months,’ and according to the Wall Street Journal report discussed here yesterday, the RIAA stopped filing mass lawsuits ‘early this fall.’ Knowing that the RIAA has a problem with telling the truth, I did a little investigating, and found out that the RIAA had, in fact, commenced a wave of lawsuits just last week. Why would anyone believe anything their spokesperson says? This is an organization that has a tendency to misspeak a lot, if you know what I mean, even when under oath.”

    Quoted from slashdot.org

    http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/20/136255

  • Roze

    Well, just in case the ISPs comply, I think it would be good to take file-sharing to real-life: distribute as many free CDs/other media to strangers, and perhaps also family and friends (who do not already file-share), to get other people on board with file-sharing – and also to go against the RIAA. After all, the only way to stop people in real-life is to physically stop them.

    Roze

  • Reasoned Mind

    Roze doesn’t realize that music sales are what pay for concerts. Touring is insanely expensive, concert tours tend to lose, not make money. Only the top bands already made famous by the industry make a liveable wage on touring. And a band of four or five and their support personnel living on T shirt revenue sounds really great, doesn’t it Roze?

    The facts don’t get in Roze’s way.

    And Ben Jones has obviously never been subject to a random sobriety stop, near a bar or not. And if you are suspect? He takes your license, Ben. You get it back–maybe–after your hearing, and you spend the night in a cell. Maybe you should stick to your art.

  • vermi

    Yes Roze! not sure you caught my suggestion of this a few posts up.

    Give your entire media library to friends on drives od dvds. Make connections with other file sharer’s, and distribute larger and larger collections.

    Some “file sharers” are stingy with the collections that took them time to collect – some even try to resell it (this IS shit). If we can encourage people to give away their material physically en mass to those who don’t surf the P2P waves, the bastards will get choked. Remind everyone – there is NO way to track this physical sharing.

    We can also distribute directions on how to file share publicly. A one page document, that can be printed and left in public places.

  • andre

    Here’s a good encryption software:

    http://www.remobo.com

    It creates a VPN network among your computers, and allows private file-sharing through any BitTorrent clients.

  • vermi

    @raisin mind
    You really don’t know the music business.
    The current model of album sales only works for mega pop stars which get shaped and pumped by the dinosaur music labels. Less popular artists are already shafted with the bloated overhead taking most of the profit from a “label release”.

    The reason file sharing is so widespread is that the current system is broken. By delaying adoption of a more appropriate commercial system, they are screwing themselves by “forcing” media consumers to sharing.

  • IanD

    @Roze

    If artists don’t make money from selling albums they have to make more money from concerts and merchandising. Many musicians play because they love doing it, but this doesn’t pay the bills. Recording albums is not cheap, there has to be a reason for doing it.

    Right now many (most?) artists — as Reasoned Mind said — break even or lose money on tour, they use this as a promotional vehicle to sell records, because you can sell many more albums than you can play to people live.

    Take this away and they have to make a living (more profit) from touring. Welcome to the $100-$200 concert ticket — oh, and no albums for you to listen to afterwards. How much music do you get to listen to then?

    Why don’t they then record albums? Because of the time and effort and money (they’re touring all the time now), and the concerts are always full anyway because nobody can get any albums — there’s no upside to making an album, only a downside (fewer people at the concerts).

    Still think “free” downloading only hurts the RIAA?

  • Pirate Bob

    [quote]I have a conscience for the digital artists you are raping[/quote]the only one getting raped here is your ego.
    they’ve already noticed that you’re limping…

  • Lem09

    Of course RIAA are right that some people should not be allowed an internet connection, it may encourage them into being a dumb smart ass.

    Or: I agree with Pirate Bob.

  • Roze

    “but this doesn’t pay the bills”
    Yes, it does. Also, recording albums IS cheap – especially since all the P2P networks, &c. are willing to do the distribution work for the artists. Also, you have it the other way around: recordings are a promotional tool for live performances, not the other way around. The fact still stands: it hurts only the RIAA.

    I think it would do well to boycott the RIAA – but don’t you think that it would be more effective to get all the people close to you to boycott as well? I think that a good way to do that is to hand out free CDs, or other media to the ones who are not already file-sharing. Perhaps also get other people, people who perhaps do not even know about P2P, to file-share by bring it to real-life, in public (as was said before).

    Roze

  • Kinoman

    If they reduce speed or disconnect innocent person, they may have very big troubles including paying million $ of compensations. People start using steganograpic software (like http://stegoshare.sf.net) to hide illegal images in the personal photos and if caught (received notification letter) go to court and SUE PROVIDERS. ISPs and RIAA will loss, because they cannot prove that seeder KNEW about illegal file.

  • Anonymous

    “recording albums IS cheap – especially since all the P2P networks, &c. are willing to do the distribution work for the artists.”
    ————————————–

    as usual you are speaking out of ignorance. the recording stage of an album is not cheap. you’re just an idiot kid behind a computer spouting off on a variety of topics you know absolutely nothing about.

  • Anonymous

    “…in the absence of proof to the contrary, an Internet service provider shall be considered as knowing that the content it stores is infringing or illegal, and thus subject to liability for copyright infringement…”

    “…in the absence of proof that they are innocent, we shall assume they are guilty…”

    nice :/

  • fiftyone.area

    Phuck It! Just use somebody’s wireless connection.

  • IanD

    @ Roze

    “recording albums IS cheap – especially since all the P2P networks, &c. are willing to do the distribution work for the artists.”
    ————————————–

    How many albums — decent quality ones that have been recorded and mixed by a professional who really knows what they’re doing — have you made?

    Our band’s made several, and the studio time for both recording and mixing/producing costs thousands of pounds if you want to do it right and come up with a good product.

    We debated long and hard whether there was any point doing the last one with the prevalence of “free” downloading, and decided there was because most of our fans are the kind of people who do think it’s worth paying for something good and wouldn’t rip us off by downloading it for nothing.

    But if things carry on the way they are — and every album ends up on p2p for “free” — it might well be the last album we do.

    Oh, and we sell them direct — mostly at gigs — without any cut for record companies or the RIAA. So if you rip and distribute it, you’re hurting the artists directly not the RIAA.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t be so sure this claim of stopped lawsuits are true. RIAA filed new cases as recently as Monday.

    http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html#1104859189661357526

    Don’t get complacent.

  • Anonymous

    The Pirate Freetard Free Lunch Brigade does not care about artists.

    They only care about a free lunch.

    And just maybe, if the free lunch was one of the better “meals” they’ve ever had, they might leave a little tip of gratitude. maybe.

    y’know, if they feel like being charitable…

  • Roze

    Actually, it is cheap. There is no reason why it should be expensive.

    Roze

  • Anonymous

    Lying Mind: “Where did you get the idea that you are somehow legally empowered to steal?”

    Hmm, let’s see…

    theft
    -noun
    1. the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.
    2. an instance of this.
    3. Archaic. something stolen.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=theft&search=search

    Filesharing copyrighted work is an act of cloning commercial goods, then taking the cloned copies for your own personal use, thus leaving the original vendor with its original goods. No theft has occurred. Only copyright infringement.

    So when you repeat the MAFIAA’s delusional screed that filesharing is somehow theft, you’re actually contradicted by the very definition of the word ‘theft’ itself.

    Logically, legally, and empirically: Filesharing is not stealing. Hee hee… You’re trying to discredit Roze, but the more you try the more you just discredit yourself – thanks for getting Torrentfreak readers some fine, fine irony for Christmas :)

    Lying Mind “And no, I have no connection to these industries whatsoever. I have a conscience for the digital artists you are raping.”

    *snicker*

    Sure, you don’t have any connection to the MAFIAA. If you don’t consider them signing your paycheck to be a connection.

    BTW, the comedy of denying you’re a plant and then immedeately crying how filesharing is “RAEPING TEH ARTISTS!!!” is… Damn, son. I laughed so hard it almost bought a tear to my eye.

    It’s like denying you’re a viral marketter for Coca Cola, and then following it up with “Now let’s all enjoy a nice cool refreshing glass of Coca Cola, the world’s finest softdrink! Mmm… Coke!”

    And speaking of “coke”, you must be high on blow if you think anyone reading Torrentfreak is still unaware that you’re an industry plant.

    *By the way, if anyone hasn’t caught on yet, Anonymous #120 and IanD are the same person playing different personae(Lying Mind made a similar mistake when he accidently used his “Reasoned Mind” screen name for a comment that was supposed to belong to another one of his persona). Let me just be the first to say I shed a tear for the plight of poor IanD’s imaginary band :(

  • Anonymous

    #120 and iand are not the same. if ernesto gave a shit (and i’m not saying he should; i don’t)he could corroborate that.

  • Roze

    @46 trki
    “As more and more demonstrations are being sidelined, marginalized, controlled and dispersed by the police, not to mention involvement of agent-provocateurs as well documented; public demonstrations archive nothing. Remember the massive protests against the Iraq war that were just ignored. The only options as the Greeks have shown is violence; or alternative means. I distrust violence, as it just leads to more violence so fighting technologically is the only option I can see, and has the side benefit of not having to go out in the cold and exposing your identity to the authorities.”

    I have an additional response:

    Let us just say “no” to conspiracy theories. There is no massive conspiracy of governments, no big political schemes. No, politics is just simple politics, and although secrecy may be maintained for a long time, and although there may be manipulations of the public, massive deception is simply not possible, so to say that the government has that much control over the public is just ludicrous – even more ludicrous to say that industry has that much lobbying power. Unlike what you think, money is not equivalent to power. The only reason why bad things keep happening to file-sharing politically is because file-sharers have been failing at politics lately – namely, because file-sharers have been far from politically active lately. The reason why the MAFIAA has such political support is not because of lobbying or money, but rather simply because file-sharers are inactive in politics – leaving the MAFIAA effectively unopposed. Just because there is no immediate effect from political action, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t figure into anybody’s minds, or change anybody’s minds.

    I say: don’t invent imaginations like conspiracies of big lobbying power of industry to government, it is time to be more realistic and pragmatic about the real reason: that it is simply because file-sharers are not doing anything. The only way to change that is not to hide, but to organize and fight back.

    Roze

  • Roze

    Well, I mean to say this:
    Let’s not put blame for bad things that happen on imaginations like the lobbying power of the RIAA, or a conspiracy theory of government cooperation with the RIAA. No, bad things happen not because of this; rather, it is our fault for not being politically active enough. It is our fault for not doing something about it ourselves; it is our fault for not taking action to make it better. Because right now, nobody is taking action here, at least nobody here in the United States. I think that it is best to think of what happens as our responsibility to make it better, not to brush it aside as “beyond our control.”

    Roze

  • Anonymous

    here you can see the video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MMF9YbAhNA
    lol, a 70 yo couple acused of downloading a gay porn ha-ha.

  • Anonymous

    If my ISP go witht this I will terminate my suscrition and go wirless instead using a near buy router. So that I don’t have to worry about false positive. In addition I will save 50 boxes a month. Not bad!

    Thank you Thank you Thank you RIAA! I would not have though of this without you!

  • Anomos

    I think Anomos (http://www.anomos.info) will be released soon making litigation impossible!

  • Cultivated

    Well, I’m in America, they have the right to cut off our internet! It’s not like America is the land of the free or something.
    Oh wait…
    This is just nazi bs in disguise. Bunch of crap. All America supposedly stands for is a big ol’ joke. I 100% understand why other countries hate us. Land of the free my ass.

  • Anonymous

    Throughout 2008 I have been to over 40 concerts. More than fourty. Each one costing between $10 and $30. That’s probably around an average of $800 of my money that has gone directly to artists that I want to support.

    I have not bought an album in years and even when I was buying albums, I never bought 40 in a year. Further even, out of the 40 shows I’ve been to, I don’t think I would have been into a single band if I hadn’t downloaded their music and listened to it first.

    If I had bought 40 albums instead, there’s no way $800 of my hard earned money would have made it to the artists. My file sharing has had a significant and direct impact on the artists I like, much more so than buying an album would.

    It’s unfortunate, however, that the RIAA is not concerned with the wellbeing of musicians. They’re much more concerned with regaining the control they have over what consumers are exposed to and how they’re exposed to it. They want to revert back to a time when they once again control what musicians have the right to make a living on their craft.

    Screw that.

  • Anonymous

    The fact of the matter is that 1 out of every 5 Americans admits to filesharing (this doesn’t include the people who do it but don’t admit to it). That also doesn’t include people who don’t have an internet connection or a means to share files.

    So the real question is: are ISPs prepared to sacrifice over 20% of their revenue to appease the RIAA? That’s doubtful.

    Furthermore, the FCC doesn’t take kindly to corporations that try to control the communications systems. Look what happened with the Comcast/BitTorrent debacle. Do you think the FCC would sit back and just allow 20% of Americans to be denied internet access at the behest of the RIAA?

    I don’t see this happening at all.

  • Anonymous

    tactic 1: sueing… failed
    tactic 2: threatning isp. failed again.
    riaa and mpaa are just sore loser.

  • anonymous

    tactic 1: sueing… failed
    tactic 2: threatning isp. failed again.
    riaa and mpaa are just sore loser.

  • Anonymous

    You did fire the first shot btw
    so….
    reasoned minded = shit for brains

    The artists don’t get paid.
    The suits do wasting time with crap like this.
    Boycott all r.i.a.a. artist they don’t get kickbacks anyway.
    Money goes to this kinda bullshit

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  • Sun5

    Pay inflated prices so “artists” can get their coke fix.

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  • Anonymous

    “Well, I’m in America, they have the right to cut off our internet! It’s not like America is the land of the free or something.”
    ————————————–

    i think you’re getting “land of the free” and “land of the freetard” confused.

    if you want to live in “land of the freetard” i suggest you move to sweden. there’s lots of ugly pale guys with bad teeth over there who feel their owed a free lunch by the rest of the world.

  • Christopher

    Now, Sun5, you say that like it is something ‘bad’. Personally, as long as they are making a reasonable amount of money, I don’t care what the music artists are using it for, drugs or not.

    But these MASSIVE AMOUNTS….. no, no way in hell.

  • Anonymous

    unless you’re a socialist you have absolutely no right to tell anyone that they make too much money.

    and the number of artists who make the ridiculous amounts of money are a very small number indeed.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

      Unless you are a socialist, you have absolutely no right to tell anyone what they do with their private property. Copyright is totalitarian by nature, since it is controlling what other people do with their private property, like creating copies, or giving it to other people. Even if you say you don't, the fact is that you favor a police state.

      Also, the idea that copyright supports artists is just a joke. No, it favors industry. It certainly does not favor the indie artists – certainly the MAFIAA is not conducive to small artists. You just want to disadvantage the small artists. You have no real concern for the artists whatsoever, you MAFIAA scum.

  • BroodKiller

    Am I the only one to simply smile whenever I hear something about a ‘reference’ database being proposed as a solution against free file exchange?

    I agree with #48 that implementing such a system sounds simply unfeasible. Let’s suppose for a moment that it could and would be created though – out of all things that it could hypothetically accomplish, the most obvious one for me would be inspiring use of further encryption methods. Outsmarting such a system seems much more easy to me to make it worth designing it in the first place.

  • IanD

    “Dec 21, 2008 at 00:41 by Roze

    Actually, it is cheap. There is no reason why it should be expensive.

    Roze”

    You really don’t have a clue, do you?

    Like I asked — how many albums have you made, how many recording studios have you worked in, how many really good (and not cheap) studio sound engineers do you know?

    I did a quick totting-up at the small independent studio where we made our last CD and there was something over £100k of gear in there. Do you know how much a high-quality studio mic costs? Do you know what the hire rate per hour is for a studio with a good engineer?

    If you want to record something in your garage and mix it yourself, go ahead and do so — it’ll certainly be cheap. But to get really good sound you need someone who knows what they’re doing, which I’m pretty sure would exclude you.

    Oh I forgot, you’re not interested in making music, just ripping off those who do :-)

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

      "you're not interested in making music, just ripping off those who do"
      Sorry, you are mistaking us for the MAFIAA imbeciles trying to install a police state. Now go back to the hole you came from.

  • eisenkrieger

    @16

    “Im working for an ISP and we disconnect criminal pirates that illegally share copyrighted stuff.

    Criminals that do that doesn’t deserve to be free. They should be beaten by police and shot in the head.”

    Here we have not only a liar and a troll but also the only pro-RIAA response out of 146.

    Notice that virtually everyone else speaks with a cool head and some kind of logic behind their arguments. On the other hand, our pro-RIAA person is out for revocation of freedom and blood in general.

    This, my friends, is a microcosm of our world. The vast majority of those who understand this situation are completely against the RIAA. The RIAA, however, is out for revocation of freedom and metaphorical blood in general.

    Concepts in reality manifest themselves on multiple tiers and such a case as this, wherein the numbers are smaller, it becomes easy to strip away the frills and see everyone for who they are.

  • eisenkrieger

    Oh, btw, this is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. It’s like holding GM accountable from drunk driving accidents because they make cars. But that’s characteristic of the RIAA so I’m not surprised.

  • freetard

    I knew he wouldn't have a good retort to that and it doesn't surprise me at all that he choose to ignore the financial (reality)side of the argument in favor of his own delusions.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

      You ignore the financial side, actually. Moreover, theoretical financial side arguments, which are probably not true anyways, is no justification for the policing of the usage of thoughts or ideas based on the idea that anyone can "own" a thought or idea.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

      You ignore the financial side, actually. Moreover, theoretical financial side arguments, which are probably not true anyways, is no justification for the thought-policing of the usage of thoughts or ideas based on the idea that anyone can "own" a thought or idea.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

      You ignore the financial side, actually. Moreover, theoretical financial side arguments, which are probably not true anyways, is no justification for the thought-policing of the usage of thoughts or ideas based on the idea that anyone can "own" a thought or idea (i. e. copyright).

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

      You're the one ignorant of the financial side. Moreover, theoretical financial side arguments, which are probably not true anyways, is no justification for the thought-policing of the usage of thoughts or ideas based on the idea that anyone can "own" a thought or idea (i. e. copyright).

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

      You're the one ignorant of the financial side. Moreover, theoretical financial side arguments, which are probably not true anyways, is no justification for the thought-policing of the usage of thoughts or ideas based on the idea that anyone can "own" a thought or idea (i. e. copyright).

      The fact is that bands make money from merchandise and live performances not sales of their music, so even if it were expensive, the fact is that it is still very much a benefit for them to record since it still is tremendous advertising for them.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

      You're the one ignorant of the financial side. Moreover, theoretical financial side arguments, which are probably not true anyways, is no justification for the thought-policing of the usage of thoughts or ideas based on the idea that anyone can "own" a thought or idea (i. e. copyright).

      The fact is that bands make money from merchandise and live performances not sales of their music, so even if it were expensive, the fact is that it is still very much a benefit for them to record since it still is tremendous advertising for them.

      Now stop ignoring reality. Of course, retards can't ever see the reality.

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