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Rogers’ BitTorrent Throttling Experiment Goes Horribly Wrong

Rogers, one of Canada’s largest Internet providers, has upset many customers with a recent change in their network management systems. Since mid-September both up and downstream BitTorrent traffic has been severely degraded in certain areas, which goes against the company’s network management policy. In addition, the new throttling technology has also slowed down non-P2P traffic in many cases.

rogers throttleIn Canada, all large ISPs have admitted to slowing down BitTorrent traffic. Net Neutrality is far away in Canada, but at least the Internet providers are forced by the Canadian Radio, Television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) to be open about it, and that includes Rogers.

Rogers Communications claims it has to throttle P2P users to prevent their network from becoming “the world’s buffet,” as they like to call it. Not only does this affect their network, their bandwidth bills have also increased due to the growing popularity of BitTorrent and other filesharing networks.

In its network management policy Rogers details how it actively slows down consumer traffic. The company claims to target only downstream P2P traffic although we’ll later show that this is incorrect. For Hi Speed Internet customers, “the maximum upload speed for P2P file sharing traffic is 80 kbps at all times” but “there are no limits on download speed for any application or protocol,” the ISP writes.

This is just the theory though. In practice many Rogers customers have reported something entirely different. Although connection and speed issues often happen with various ISPs, an avalanche of complaints from Rogers’ customers over the past two months indicated that something had gone seriously wrong.

Starting at the end of September 2010, Rogers customers began noticing severe throttling of downstream P2P and non-P2P traffic. It was clear that something had changed, but none of the customers were made aware of these changes, and neither were many of the support employees.

The effects are nontheless severe and widespread, and at the DSLreports forums several threads were started by dissatisfied customers (1, 2, 3, 4, 5). It is reported that download speeds for both P2P and regular traffic has dropped, and some customers have issues while browsing the web, gaming and streaming content from Netflix and other services.

“Many of Rogers’ Canadian customers have reported substantial degradations in downstream speeds; whereas before September they were downloading at several Mb/s they are now reduced to a few hundred KB/s or less,” Christopher Parsons, PhD Candidate at the University of Victoria and lead researcher for Deep Packet Inspection Canada told TorrentFreak.

“I’ve contacted various colleagues around Canada and they have provided confirmation of what is being written by Rogers customers in the DSLreports forums.” Parsons wrote an elaborate blog post on the issue, which seems to show that the problems trace back to the new network management system implemented by Rogers.

Today, almost three months later, the issues don’t seem to be fully resolved yet, as more complaints keep trickling in every day. Dozens of customers state in blog and forum posts that they’ve complained to Rogers bitterly, and some have even switched to another ISP as a result of the issues.

At Rogers, things are awkwardly silent while all this is unfolding. Thus far, the only public response from Rogers comes from a forum post by Keith McArthur, their senior director of social media and digital communications.

“As some of you are aware, Rogers recently made some upgrades to our network management systems that had the unintended effect of impacting non-p2p file sharing traffic under a specific combination of conditions,” McArthur writes.

“Our network engineering team is working on the best way to address this issue as quickly as possible. However, I’m not able to provide any updates at this time about when this will be fixed. Our network management policy remains unchanged. We are working hard to ensure that there are no gaps between our policy and the technology that enables that policy.”

This response dates back to the end of October, but even today many customers are still reporting that their download speeds are severely degraded. One may even conclude that the new system is meant to slow down downstream traffic as well, contrary to what’s stated in the Network Management policy.

This does indeed seem to be the case.

Rogers’ social media director kept his public appearance limited to one post, and eventually also stopped responding to individual customers who asked for help. In a response, a Rogers customer contacted the CRTC instead, and the result is interesting to say the least.

Initially Rogers’ legal counsel Ken Thompson tried to cover up the issue, by stating that they never received a single complaint about the issue, but he did confirm to the CRTC that downstream traffic is now also being throttled. So, aside from the collateral damage the new network management system caused, Rogers has secretly started to throttle P2P download traffic.

Not a big deal according to Rogers’ lawyer, a simple change in the policy will quickly resolve the issue.

“We have determined our best response to this situation will be to update our ITMP disclosure on our website to reflect this new information. We are in the process of making those changes to our website and will provide you with the modified ITMP [traffic management policy] disclosure as soon as it has received approval by Rogers’ management,” he wrote to the CRTC.

So there we have it, instead of honestly answering customers who’ve complained about being throttled for months, Rogers simply changes their policy.

Thus far no changes have been made, but this will probably happen in the coming days or weeks. Rogers customers who want to enjoy P2P at full speeds have no other option than to switch to a new ISP or sign up with a VPN service.

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  • JabbaNaut

    just switch ISP fook em!

  • Sketch

    They suck as bad as Comcast.

  • theninjasquad

    Unfortunately there are not really any options to switch to. Nearly everyone throttles nowadays.

  • Karvamakkara

    What a stupid move from the ISP. Hope the customers vote with their wallets and all the Rogers’ go under.

    In general I can’t understand any kind of throttling. If you sell a 10/10Mbps connection, then it’s 10/10Mbps. The customer decides whether (s)he downloads p0rn, uses P2P or makes video calls 24/7.

  • cananon

    just get cia.com cheaper faster and no limiting or caps

  • Kirkpad

    I have used Telus for years and never had any problems using P2P. Moreso, they never closely tracked bandwidth use which itself puts it miles ahead of other ISP’s.

  • fernando

    Switching ISP’s at the end of the month. Rogers is the epitome of everything wrong with Canadian internet.

  • PXAbstraction

    There is virtually no competition for cable in most areas and if you can even get DSL, that’s throttled regardless of who you use because of Bell and their lapdogs at the CRTC. CIA.com is also a joke in most cities as it’s severely oversubscribed and they’re dragging their feet on badly needed network upgrades. Canada is quickly becoming the third world when it comes to broadband access. But as usual, Canadians do what they do best, complain amongst themselves and do nothing to enact real change.

  • TT

    @5 at first i thought you were joking with the link but then i checked it.. lol

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  • Spike

    Bell has been doing some nasty shit to their DPI setup the last month as well. DSLR is littered with complaints about throttled streaming video, Steam, Skype, etc. Theres even a french thread complaining. Its not limited to Bell’s service either, since Bell throttles their wholesalers too, they’re also affected by the same DPI issues.

  • Switeck

    “Rogers customers who want to enjoy P2P at full speeds have no other option than to switch to a new ISP or sign up with a VPN service.”

    It’s already been pointed out that traffic other than P2P is affected. Worse, unknown traffic almost MUST be affected if Rogers is to effectively throttle encrypted BitTorrent traffic.

    In short, VPN traffic will almost certainly be collateral damage of Roger’s attempts to throttle BitTorrent.

    And you will probably be treated as a “filthy pirate” for arguing that it shouldn’t be.

  • Name

    Here in Germany my ISP throttles downloads during evenings and weekends, from 3.8 MB/s to 1.5 MB/s. It’s fine with me really, I just do most of my downloading during the day or overnight.

    Uncapped 32 mbit with VOIP for 30 euro a month. Or 100 mbit for 50, which is about what my friends in Canada pay for 15 mbit without VOIP, and with an 80GB cap. It’s amazing what a little competition in the market can do for people.

  • Anon

    Rogers suck. Comcast Sucks. Aliant DSL is ok, Aliant has better upload than Rogers.

  • Kraut

    i´m from germany and my provider “kabel deutschland” is doing this for years. the problem is that here in germany in many places there are NO alternatives to “kabel deutschland”. you can get 1-2mbit with DSL in many regions, or you go with kabel deutschland, they´ll provide you with 32mbit (cable), but are massively throttling traffic like bit torrent in the evening hours and throughout the whole weekend.

    they don´t filter NNTP … YET … so if you need something on demand you can go with that, but it still sucks and it is not acceptable. but as i said before, there no competition, no alternatives in many regions except if you live in the big city areas like hamburg, berlin etc.

  • F**k Rogers

    Why does anyone still use their service? They’ve been at the forefront of anti-competitve and anti-neutrality practices for years.

  • Momba

    Once the your ass-hole really starts to hurt, maybe you’ll consider switching ISPs!

  • Not Surprised

    TekSavvy DSL with the optional $4 for MLPPP on a Tomato-MLPPP suppored router gives you unlimited download and no throttling. Although in a few months Bell imposed caps and overage rates will begin, pentetrating us all deeply and repeatedly.

    Nationalize internet infrastructure and breakup the telecom oligopoly!

  • GT47-88

    They aren’t throttling my Download, just my upload. I am a bad pirate, that means I’m leeching! :(. I’m actually not sure if they’re throttling my download, I at least have 150+kb/s download.

  • Help!

    What’s the link for that being targeted site? a friend of mine needs it, and I can’t find the link.

  • Anonymous

    For all of you that think this is bad, come to Deanville Texas where your only choice is an isp who cuts off every 10 minutes because it sucks (Airplexus)and if you download alot they will only give you 40KB/sec so downloading that video on here will take you all day and if one click downloading, the normal 15 minute try will now take you all day due to it timing out and cutting off where you have to unplug the router wait a minute every 10 minutes as it times out and try again, eventually you give up and are all pissed off, hughes net which if you download 5gb per month you are limited to below dial up speeds, or sprint which rips you in the arse with the 5gb limit also. The only other choices are dial up which I have switched to because why have broadband if its going to suck and you can’t do sht with it. Upgrade fukn Texas, this place sucks!

  • Ravensky

    @2 Nothing sucks as bad as comcast

  • Anonymous

    fhucke rogers

    a former subscriber told me they spied on his connection when people were downloading off his wireless and sent him stupid copyright infringement notices. he says they “should be chasing frikin pedophiles…”

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  • Leo Ghost

    @19
    http://beingthreatened.com/

    Hopefully that solves your problem.

  • Help!

    Thanks Leo Ghost!

  • neb

    #4
    I agree. I should get the speed I pay for, period.

    What bothers me is there seems to be some kind of monitoring of subscribers application use. That, my friend is highly unethical.

    It’s bad enough, with todays static ip’s adressed right to ones home, but to sit a watch what I do is totally unacceptable.

    At least if it was still called “Holyweed” we could smoke it.

  • Kill Corporate America

    I think they should be sued..they re always suing P2P folks..

  • Acce

    Rogers and Bell limit download speed, Vidéotron has great speed but they have a 40gb cap. You should check out youmano and teksavvy.

  • iop

    This is how things are when you privatise infrastructure. ISPs care more about their profits than about their customers, and given that many areas are only covered by a single ISP (its “turf”), people have no choices — thus, capitalism is not allowed to function properly and pretty much fails dismally (capped and throttled connections, no net neutrality, high fees, bad coverage, false advertising and so forth).

  • Nick Lucas, tip toeing through the tulips

    What, so you mean that, despite the expected “multi-billion dollar windfall in terms of savings” by ISPs thanks to µTorrent’s µTP protocol, the ISPs haven’t actually decided to stop throttling at all?

    Who ever would have thought?

  • canadian

    To any Rogers customers looking for an alternative, check out Teksavvy (www.teksavvy.com). They have DSL and cable. The cable service is from 3Mb/256Kbps/200GBcap/$27.95 to 10Mb/1Mb/Unlimited/$54.95. I switched from Rogers to Teksavvy DSL (5Mb/800Kb/200GB) and even with the slower speed I am still happy about being free of Rogers draconian throttling and low bandwidth caps!

  • Ettore

    Canada is too big and competition is sparse (not just for Internet, everything). Not sure exactly what the problem is with competition in Canada, but EVERYTHING is like this. I can buy everything substantially cheaper in the US … to “fix” this, most legitimate resellers (Amazon.com) impose restrictions. That means they can basically price-fix all of Canada; horse shit.

    For broadband, Canada is too big; the cost of joining the system as competition is far too high. The only option is leasing lines from the other guys, and there’s no reason they will be handing out their networks cheaply.

  • moggy

    I use Teksavvy love it . unlimited DSL #39

  • Shad_Phoenix

    I use Rogers because there’s very little choice in my area. There’s always a -choice- but all the non-Rogers’ options suck even more. Perhaps I’ll have to invest in a seedbox.

  • Random

    #31 said “and there’s no reason they will be handing out their networks cheaply”

    Yes, there is, it’s called proper regulation. The government, as empowered by the Canadian people, has the means to correct the situation.

  • iop

    @34 Random

    The means, but not the will. The ISP lobbyists got there first, sorry Canadian people.

  • Just a guy

    I use Acanac, they provide me with a SSH tunnel and free VPN to make sure I can BT and avoid throttling.

  • Anonymous

    Whatever they did definitely affected more than just P2P. I have Extreme Plus and ever since this kicked in, I haven’t seen a single download over 1MB/s on direct downloads. Prior to this, I was often hitting my full 25Mbps on direct downloads. I called their support line multiple times and they just keep stalling until I give up. I wish I had the option of switching to another provider.

  • old timer

    Was wondering why my SSL email client was being delayed….seems that all SSL communication is being delayed. I am not even downloading anything….I wonder if they are going to post what is affected as my work VPN is being affected and with >500 employees also able to work from home that use rogers that might be a reason to switch.

  • frosty

    Rogers is owned by the entertainment industry, so it’s no wonder.

    Do your research, Telus is the best.

  • Laa

    TekSavvy and Acanac are two good alternatives.

  • Crappy Suggestion

    Someone start hacking cable modems so we can bypass this throttling crap, or is that something on the other side of the network?

  • who cares

    im dropping my net connection at months end , 60$ for 4 megabit is not worth it and bell canada’s bad practices are even worse.

  • neo

    Great! Throttle these pirates

    just kidding :P

  • ANewf

    So, are there any solutions available for those of us with limited internet accessibility? I’ve had nothing but poor service since this implementation in September, and while I’d love to change (despite my contract), I’m essentially limited to Aliant (who I have problems with regarding their business ethics) and Rogers (whom I have likewise). Teksavvy doesn’t expand this far, and I can’t say I’ve found any other service provider that does. I don’t believe I’ve gotten close to 1Mb most of the time, let alone my service’s 10. (Rogers Extreme) As for upload, suffice it to say that online games I purchased this summer have gone from enjoyable to completely unplayable. (Extreme) It appears that this is, for the most part, a matter of sucking it up, and I’d like to know why that’s the case. Is there any reason besides customer base size that companies like TekSavvy haven’t expanded into these smaller markets?

  • who cares

    @37 any change in service while under a contract allows either part the option to cancel.

    THAT’S YOU BUD without early termination fees.

    JUST tell them you talked with a lawyer and this meets that legal ability and you are canceling then goto teksavvy ( who will be capped to death by bell in january anyhow unless they appeal )

  • 45

    yeah i noticed that. My upload and download speeds noticeably became really slow……

    i called them and they just said that all networks are perfectly fine….

    all i can say, i think its worth switching to other networks now :p

  • Sanity_Vocal

    It seems to me that if the policy of a service you signed up for changes, that could be taken as a change to the terms and conditions to the service contract users have with the service provider.

    So if Rogers customers feel that they have been shortchanged, they could cancel their subscriptions. And since Rogers changed the terms and conditions of the contract, there is legally no grounds that Rogers can demand compensation from subscribers for the early termination of subscription – in fact, on the day that the policies and terms & Conditions change, it can be deemed that the contracts became defunct.

    Alternatively, subscribers can sue Rogers for breach of Service Contract.

  • CanadaDigitalGhetto

    Lol switch to a new ISP, you’re funny :P Bell is throttling just as bad as this last couple weeks too if you look into it TorrentFreak.

  • Anonymous

    all uploads all time restricted in canada ,mandated by the govt …..in retribution for DDoS’s

  • CanadaDigitalGhetto

    @5, good luck getting more than 1mbps at night, and there is a bandwidth cap if you care to call them of 60GB which they might or might not enforce.
    They are just resellers of Rogers btw.
    Any other ISP will have these throttle issues because they’re on Rogers or Bell’s network, unless you get Teksavvy DSL MLPPP or Teksavvy Cable.

    Teksavvy DSL, CRL+F “throttle” first 3 pages.
    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/teksavvy

  • f@(5!76 @ssh0l3

    the most b**lsh*t ISP I ever known was Smart Communications. You paid for 2MB/sec but you only get 20kps on your ups and downs. What a heck!

  • 2332

    DONT JUST REPLY ON A FORUM
    DO SOMETHING

    http://www.rogers.com/web/content/contactus

    Now this is TF News…

  • http://www.taoqoo.com ??

    ????BLOG?????????????

  • Citizen Dos

    I recently noticed that my ISP, and coincidently the only ISP available in my area, AT&T has started throttling ALL traffic. They simply want to oversell their capacity. I found that I was getting about 2/3rds of the bandwidth that I pay for. I called them and asked what was up. They said it was acceptable policy now to deliver less than what you pay for. For example, it is totally acceptable for YOU to pay full price for a 6MB DSL line and they deliver, consistently, 24 hours a day, year round… no more than 4MB. Coincidently, they have a 4MB DSL line that you can downgrade to for a lower cost. With that one, you will consistently get less than 4MB… something around 2MB… and there is a 2MB line… which will consistently be delivered at less than what you pay for. Talk about business ethics.

  • LupeFaco

    A0A 0A0 is a zip code for canada if u want to contact Rogers .com

    i have comcast and im pleased with this atleast for now ..

  • Harry Pubics

    Rogers has data caps and three year contracts for you to sign so that they can own you while doing whatever the hell they want with their service.

  • Seshan

    Who is there to switch to? Any of the other ISP that like techsavvy uses Rogers or Bell, you’re screwed either way.

  • Z0NE

    13 Dec 14, 2010 at 01:18 by Anon
    Rogers suck. Comcast Sucks. Aliant DSL is ok, Aliant has better upload than Rogers.

    ALIANT BLOWS CHUNKS, IM FOREVER THROTTLED!!!

    gaming isnt too bad, but U-Tubing i have to wait MINUTES ( yea seriously!)for a video to load.Im switching soon to satellite internet!

  • LupeFaco

    get a seedbox …problem solved for ten bux ..and no throttling….or ISP notifications…

  • Aman

    I think you mis-tagged this post. It should be Rogers instead of Robers.

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  • Anonymous

    rogers and bell are so bad that you can almost assume any news about them is how they screwed over customers without reading the story, they’re that consistent

    i only read the brief intro to this one

  • jack

    Rogers customers please change ISP and fast.

  • gayfish

    its pity–i live in india and mine 512 kbps plan gives me 60 kbps download speed and 50 kbps upload speed in torrent.. and guess what it costs $15/month uncapped.(Mtnl).

    so i guess rogers is really good in giving you taste of 3 rd world country at astro price.

  • GP

    “whereas before September they were downloading at several Mb/s they are now reduced to a few hundred KB/s or less”

    1Mbps ~= 100kBps.

    Case DOES matter. There is no Kelvin-Byte (or Kelvin-bit) or milli-bit (or milli-Byte).

    bit != Byte
    kilo != Kelvin
    milli != Mega

  • dude

    People who are being throttled should try VPN service to see if it can bypass it.

  • Anonymous

    Ohoho, revealed as well? We don’t even need wikileaks for half these things. Greed exposes corruption automatically.

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  • Anonymous

    @65 they are throttling vpns bud and this is what they want YOU ALL to think OH IM SAFE i can encrypt and use a vpn…HAHA nope and guess whatthis isbeyong piracy now WAY BEYOND

    when i goto battle for wesnoth and have to dl a game at 30Kbytes/sec thats 120meg then get a cool addon thats 74 meg well there goes my legit NON PIRATE evening, and im not blaming pirate im blaming retarded 50 year copyrights in canada and 75 in mexico and 150 in the USA

    ITS RUINING EVERYTHING
    people are beginning to say it louder I QUIT THE NET

    THOSE granpa users they say they like dont like paying 30$ for a megabit thats unstable
    and dial up is 25$ what kinda bullshit is that

  • stribika

    I was wondering how they detect encrypted bittorrent traffic. It seems like they just throttle encrypted traffic alltogether. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality_in_Canada
    So VPNs won’t help.

    They are insane.

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  • Trent

    Rogers is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR worse than Comcast. All you whining crybaby Americans with your 200GB caps and 250KB/s upload speeds on Comcast make me SICK. Nobody gives a good god damn about us Canadians.

  • guest

    I’d still kill for 80 kb/s upstream :)

  • Anonymous

    What sucks is these bigger corporations are gaining power, comcast, example. Soon if you want to leave the isp, it wont do much damage, since most people dont care or to dumb to notice. I’m glad my isp is pretty slack with their bandwith.

    Give it time, it’ll happen soon, usa will become more like china, your rights are slowly getting taken away, you just dont notice it. After that other countrys will follow,.

  • anon-chan

    What sucks is these bigger corporations are gaining power, comcast, example. Soon if you want to leave the isp, it wont do much damage, since most people dont care or to dumb to notice. I’m glad my isp is pretty slack with their bandwith.

    Give it time, it’ll happen soon, usa will become more like china, your rights are slowly getting taken away, you just dont notice it. After that other countrys will follow,.

  • Gavin

    Pipex where througtling the hell out of P2P hear in the UK. They would only download at about 50Kbs. The thing was that policy probably worked aginest them. As before I downloaded at night only when there newwork would of been quite, but once they stared througling I downloaded day time to so I could get the stuff I needed.

    The finaly straw was when they slowed it down to 20Kbs, all the time. So I switched providers.

    A few mounths later the ISP was sold. Also this worked aginest Pipex, as the orginal offer was revised a few days before the transaction went through because they had lost so many costomers, and the company was not worth as much.

  • Anonymous

    @stribika (#68), encrypting doesn’t make the p2p-traffic invisible. You get a bunch of wacky symbols instead of the real traffic data. The idea behind encryption is to make it more difficult for ISP to detect where this traffic goes. You can’t sue (at least not in countries where encryption is allowed) a client for having his traffic encrypted. So what they do is when encryption (I assume in large quantities) is detected, the ISP just puts a cap on it and throttles till the end of the f*cking world. This however fucks up every one who uses any kind of encryption that the ISP can’t “understand”. For example Skype uses both p2p and encryption for calls (audio and video). Actually the effectiveness of this encryption is not very good (that is – keystrenght isn’t that good) for two reasons: speed and performance (CPU power). The first is one of the main reasons why someone would use a P2P on the first place. The second – imagine using a AES or else to encrypt your traffic…Sure, it’s quite secure but your computer (CPU in our case) will not be happy about it.

    ISPs like this (most of them all over the world) are stupid as hell. Instead of adapting and upgrading, they decide to put a finger in the butt of their clients. People, understand. You can’t stop this. How long do you think you’ll keep doing this shit? Speeds increase, infrastructure is renewed on daily bases and new communication technologies are being developed and released to the public all the time. ISPs are anti-progress b*tches.

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  • meee

    well it’s a good thing that i have a 100/100MB sweet fiber glass connection
    and i live in a country with no throttling issues, or silly copywrong draconian laws.

  • Ninja

    So far full encryption has been enough to keep me safe from any caps on my ISP. It’s seriously astonishing that I pay for 10 mbit and I actually download at 10 mbit, regardless of traffic (providing p2p traffic is encrypted). And to my surprise they recently increased the upload speed to something near 2 mbits from 600ish kbits.

    All of that while being the lead ISP and being miles away from the other two options we have here. Of course there’s a 90Gb cap but hey, you can’t have everything you want – except for the fact they rarely enforce if you don’t exceed too much.

    Guess I’m in heaven even though I’m not in a “developed” country.

    We need further competition everywhere though. Companies are merging and buying each other and concentrating the power. And I haven’t even started to talk about infra-structure (who owns the cables? huh?). ICANN and US domain seizures are there to teach us.

    Good luck Canadians. It seems the so called developed countries are running backwards nowadays heh.

  • anon

    Why does everyone say “well just switch your isp”. Thats a load of bull, most people only have 2 choices, and many only have 1. you can either get shitty DSL or cable, fios/optic if your lucky.

    the only fix is to complain to your local government and make the ISPs not throttle your connection, or force them to only sell what they can maintain.

  • Colin

    Acanac subscriber here. Cheaper than Bell, Rogers, and TekSavvy, no caps, DSL and Cable available, and a VPN tunnel is included at no cost to alleviate throttling.

    I’ve been a customer for four years now and I’ve never had a better ISP. I can’t recommend them enough.

  • Anonymous

    @ 77 where??

    After reading this article I was looking at the up/down speeds globally on the speedtest list.

    http://www.speedtest.net/global.php

    The most striking thing about this list is that the top 15 fastest countries on this list seem to be as far away from Canada and the US as possible.

  • Anonymous

    //34// has it right.

    Canadians have the means to get this resolved. Opinion pieces and headlines in the paper showing how poorly the ISP situation in Canada is compared to the rest of the world is a powerful message. That kind of thing resonates with politicians and can be written and encouraged by all of us here.

    //35// The ISP lobbyists might have go their first but this issue is now a big concern to ordinary businesses who will find their traffic damaged as well. They have every incentive to get their own lobbyists to make ministers demand CRTC fix this.

  • WTF

    Why is this happening!? They have already imposed insane caps on us why the hell do they need to throttle as well!? This is getting absolutely ridiculous!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Time for the Canadian Pirate Party to launch an ISP too.

  • Sean Ward

    As if anyone needed another reason to get off of Rogers. Seriously, if everyone would stop using them, they wouldn’t be around to screw people!

  • Pong

    WTF, I live in Hungary, currenly with UPC on a crappy 20/2 but for about 10€/month, ran a check with mlab to see if I’m throttled or not, but as I’m downloading about 300GB a month, I guess there is no quantity throttle at least.

    It’s a shame that with a developped country like this shit can happen.

  • Harald

    Advice to switch to Telus only applies to people who live in BC and Alberta.

    Advice to switch to Teksavvy, Acanac, etc. is problematic, because (in Ontario/Quebec, at least) Bell Canada is about to enforce its 70G/month cap on all resellers.

    Being an Internet customer in Canada sucks. :)

  • Tex

    Sasktel FTW

  • harry krishna

    responses indicate isp switch is a “solution”. my choices are att, who sandvines, or cocks cable, who throttles. this is a choice?

  • hmm

    haa get rogered by rogers

  • Cray

    @31 It’s canada restricting everything.

    For example CRTC restricts what channels are allowed in Canada and What are allowed are retranscoded.

    CRTC also does not allow foreign company’s to open up shop in canada, so we have no competition when it comes to phone companies and ISP.

    Most places internet is dirt cheap. and Cell phones in most countries, is the cheapest service. No charges for incomming calls, cheap outgoing and such. Plus Prepaid is amazing outside of canada, your minutes expire like 6months after adding minutes unlike the 30 day’s in canada.

    Plus canada is too expensive to live in now with not much going for it that make it worth living in. Alot of canadians are moving away and working and living elsewhere(Italy, London, France, etc.)

  • Reason

    The only imediate solution is VPN if there are no alternative ISP’s in the area (that don’t throttle).

    But thinking that you pay for 10Mb/s and get 10Mb/s is a bit naive. It doesn’t work that way.

    Lets say the ISP hold a 1Gb/s line and is technically capable to fully use it.
    That would be 100 10Mb/s connections (at best if the cables and routing are all good …).
    But he only guarantees “up to” 10Mb/s, fully aware, that some might technically only be available to use 5Mb/s. So he could serve more with up to 10Mb/s. Lets say out of this theoretic 100 10Mb/s costumer lines 50 could only run at 5Mb/s max due to physical restrictions (cable, repeater, distance …).
    So that would add up to 50 @ 10Mb/s + 50 @ 5Mb/s = 750Mb/s max load, so he could serve another 25 with 10Mb/s (or even more with lower rates.

    But even further, the ISP calculates, that most of his customers won’t surf all the time and if they do they won’t use tha max capacity. So he measures an average over different times a day and rules out peak times and peak capacity usage as well as average times and usage. Now let’s say in average every 10Mb/s user surfs at 3Mb/s and every 5Mb/s restricted user with only 1Mb/s …

    Get the picture? Even more customers he could serve and sell his non-plus product.
    If the all would surf at the same time with max usage, his line would block up quickly giving every customer only a fraction of what he pays for.

    Ony way around is traffic shaping to guaranty basic functions, restrict and throttle others and an other (among many) is to not guaranty the max usage, and even if, to blame it on temporary technical issues …

  • trooprm02

    Thanks torrentfreak for reporting on the issue! I am a canadian and rogers customer for atleast 4-5 years.

    I pay $60 for 10mbps up and 1mbps down, with 95GB limit. In the past, i’ve never been subjected to ANY throttling (p2p or otherwise) but within the last 2-3 months, my bittorrent speeds have been very low…

    I have not noticed any throttling in other area’s, but I can confirm that downloading AND uploading is being throttled (p2p wise).

    I will most likely be switching soon (unless they give me a BIG discount) to teksavvy. If anyone else is looking to switch look them up (they resell bell connections but without throttling and recently began selling cable connections).\

    http://teksavvy.com/en/res-internet.asp#cable

  • Me

    I would never stand for my internet company slowing down any of my traffic.

    If they want to sell me a product advertised as offering high speed internet then I would expect a product that offers me this high speed to all parts of the internet.

    After all who needs to browse web pages at 100mbit? We pay more for faster connections to be able to download quicker.

  • Brent

    In response to the post about Rogers and Comcast being so bad that you are switching to satellite internet, I am not surprised. I have heard so many bad things about Comcast lately. I know that satellite internet companies are upgrading their networks as soon as mid next year to get speeds that are up to 10 and 20mbps. It is likely that many people will consider switching with these kinds of speeds. I actually have an entire blog about this and would love for you to check it out at mybluedish.com/blog.

  • Reason

    THe only long term solution around would be to rip the contol over the internet out of the handy of state and business and truly make it publicly owned by the people.

    It’s clear: state control is just good as long the state does what the people want and not what it wants to control the people.
    Privatisation through corporate business only guaratees a certain freedom and moderate prices as long as their is a certain competition. As soon, as companys agree to do it all the same to ensure profits, maximise profits or lower the costs by not spending money on upgrading and developing … well, the slight freedom is gone as well.

    So how to make it publically owned? Well, you can’t lay your own cable, it’s to expensive.
    But something of that sort is needed.
    Small villages and comunes need to get together, gather funds and finance their own fibre cable connection to the next connected village or city or what ever.
    Some small villages in Europe have done it since their was no company that wanted to invest in rural development of communication structors.

    And like this, the fibre belongs to everybody in the village and everybody is paing to maintain it and decides on how it shall be set up and used.

    Sure, it would take some time to develop the internet as publically owned over again. But it’s the only real way.

    Or else start a revolution, expropriate the communication companies of their good and bestow it on the public…

  • Reason

    THe only long term solution around would be to rip the contol over the internet out of the hand of state and business and truly make it publicly owned by the people.

    It’s clear: state control is just good as long the state does what the people want and not what it wants to control the people.
    Privatisation through corporate business only guaratees a certain freedom and moderate prices as long as their is a certain competition. As soon, as companys agree to do it all the same to ensure profits, maximise profits or lower the costs by not spending money on upgrading and developing … well, the slight freedom is gone as well.

    So how to make it publically owned? Well, you can’t lay your own cable, it’s to expensive.
    But something of that sort is needed.
    Small villages and comunes need to get together, gather funds and finance their own fibre cable connection to the next connected village or city or what ever.
    Some small villages in Europe have done it since their was no company that wanted to invest in rural development of communication structors.

    And like this, the fibre belongs to everybody in the village and everybody is paing to maintain it and decides on how it shall be set up and used.

    Sure, it would take some time to develop the internet as publically owned over again. But it’s the only real way.

    Or else start a revolution, expropriate the communication companies of their good and bestow it on the public…

  • yoyoyo

    Teksavvy is awesome but buys the lines from Bell, so they are throttled for torrent. However, buy Teksavvy’s router/modem as they have different firmware which bypasses the throttling. Cheers.

  • Ollie

    I’m so happy that we have Torrent Freak to speak up about this issue. There has been all but NO media coverage on this issue. I’m so happy that Torrent Freak is here to stick up for me!

    I’m one of the unfortunate few who recently got rogers internet.

    The download speed I’m paying (out the ass) for is 15mbps. Downloading with Utorrent I average at about 0.5mbps.

    Why does the CRTC let them make changes BEFORE notifying their customers? I recently signed onto rogers, paid $60 for installation and $60 for my first month. Immediately I discover that they aren’t delivering what I paid for. Will I get my money back?

    By the way, you should do a blog about the monopolies that Canadian ISP’s have. I am in the MIDDLE of Ottawa and I have only ONE option for cable internet!

  • Rogers_Chris

    There seems to be quite a bit of confusion over changes made to Rogers Hi Speed network management that I’m hoping I can help clarify.

    We recently started to receive customer complaints regarding degradation in upload and download speeds after we made the latest update to our software.

    Let me assure you that Rogers Hi Speed does not manage download traffic. As stated in our policy we only manage upstream traffic of peer to peer (P2P) file sharing at 80 Kbps.

    Although not intended, extensive testing has confirmed that we are now managing upstream traffic for some secure protocols running over non-standard ports while doing P2P. Testing also indicated that this had been happening for some time but we had not received any complaints until recently, possibly because this type of usage is fairly uncommon.

    We have been in communication with the CRTC. They are aware of the situation and we have been working through the standard processes. Customers can expect Rogers Network Management Policy to be updated shortly to reflect the change, which is in line with current industry standard used by other large ISPs and in line with CRTC disclosure requirements. Specifically, our published network management policy will be amended to clarify that we sometimes manage upstream traffic for some secure protocols running over non-standard ports while doing P2P.

    Again, let me repeat that we do not manage downstream traffic.

    Thanks,
    Chris Clarke, Rogers Social Media
    http://www.twitter.com/rogers_chris

  • geez

    If you throttle encrypted traffic, you will loose all your business customers.

    People have to secure their data, and if your slowing that shit down, say goodbye to the company’s business.

  • Logic

    @97

    Why would you intentionally live somewhere where you only have one option for internet? That sounds a little… senseless to me. If you’re seriously getting ripped off like this, don’t you think it’s time to move?

  • 3dfx

    Sucks to be a p2p fan in Canada :/

  • Marius Krinnan

    I imagine those who distribute their creative works through bittorrent and other p2p ways are quite unhappy with this.
    It means it gets harder to obtain indie music and films LEGALLY.
    Major blow to the future of digital distribution.

  • CapnS

    SaskTel still does not throttle connections FYI to all you Saskatchawinners out there…

  • Turbis

    Slowing down bit torrent traffic is wrong, it’s not only used for piracy.
    This company is filled with dolts, how fun is it to download StarCraft 2 legally from blizzards own site at 10kb/s?!
    FUCKING MORONS

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  • Sanity_Vocal

    If it is okay to provide less bandwidth that what was contracted for by ISPs, does that mean it is similiarly okay to pay less than contracted price for the less than contracted Bandwidth?

    Afterall, the originally subscription agreement would have stated the bandwidth upfront.

    Any lawyers here care to comment on this issue?

  • Will

    Another reason we need Net Neutrality world wide right now!

    Greedy bastards!

  • mike

    I would say switch to Shaw.
    http://www.shaw.ca
    Best ISP in Canada.They are providing Download speed up to 100 Mb/s .No contract and very flexible to switch between packages.
    Using for last 3 years without any issues.

  • Scott

    @100

    You can say that all you want, Chris. The fact remains, I, and others ARE BEING MANAGED RIGHT NOW! I can’t believe the BS and lies that Rogers gets away with.

    If only I lived somewhere with service that wasn’t Bell/Rogers!

  • mad pumba

    i pay about 12$ on 100mbps up/down line in Romania and the speed is a beast, a iso-dvd in 25min a cd in 5min, so canadians come here whe accept imigrants, don’t be shy.

  • MM

    Rogers/bhell are garbage!!!!

    Long live teksavvy!

  • Teddy

    You can’t get shaw if your in rogers cable area. The duopolys got the markets pretty much divided into east and west. Plus shaw has decided to adopt the bell/rogers stupid low monthly cap with retarded overage fees model.

    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24949041-Shaw-charging-for-extra-bandwidth.

    Much like the Labatt(kokanne,labatt,bud)/Molson(coors,pilsner,Canadian) duopoly Canada has protected for years inflating prices now its the ISPs turn.

  • Jason

    @#100 Rogers_Chris:

    Go f**k yourself with your pile of lies.

    “Managing” a.k.a throttling P2P traffic IS managing download traffic. Or did Rogers suddenly decide to redefine the term “download” to “Non encrypted transfers to your computer on ports 80 and 443″?

    Perhaps that will be updated in your network management policy too?

    Everyone just switch off rogers. Cancel your cable and cell phones too.

  • lmnopq

    Anyone know if any of the “New” carriers (Wind, MobiliCity, etc.) have better/decent speeds?
    They are on a DIFFERENT network than Bell & Rogers for phones.

  • fusony

    Are you all idiots? Just tsop your modem with hacked developer firmware and run a mac sniffer from someone else’s connection near, but not in, your area. You can also dump certs from someone who pays for the best service offered and use it to gain the same level of service. Disable some options in the fw and you’ll have free, untraceable internet. Might have to change macs every once in a while if you get greedy, but there are no shortage of those :)

  • townie2

    if your in Atlantic Canada, Eastlink is the way to go FTW. i get 15 mbps down, 1 mbps up unlimited, plus home phone with all features for $79.00/month (plus tax). I’ve reached download speeds of 1.7 mbps on torrents, plus, they throw copyright infringement letters in the garbage.

  • Joe

    Yeah fuck Rogers I would go to shaw been with them for years and I’m not sure if they
    Throttle bit torrent but I get killer down load speeds switch to them!!!

    Unfortuatly my cell phone is with Rogers but there one of the best cell phone companies but that’s about it

  • Anonymous

    It’s not the throttling that bothers me, it’s to be expected if you think about it (large corporation trying to control what their customers can do with the service that they pay for) Whatever.

    What bothers me is that everything else is slowed down. I recently downloading a few large, legitimate files from microsoft’s website, and two weeks ago I was getting close to 2MBps on a 1.7GB file (waik), today I got 300KBps. It’s my skype calls dropping and being shotty to the point that it’s completely unusable for even simple voice calls. It’s the fact that even simple web browsing has been affected by their throttling.

    I can understand large corporations wanting to help protect other large corporations from losing money, but please, treat your customers better.

  • WilliamMiner

    @117 townie2

    I am on Eastlink as well while you can get those download speeds they throttle the hell out of uploads. 8am-5pm you get 35k up, 5pm to midnight 25k up after midnight to 8am 50-60k up if your lucky despite their policy that says they don’t throttle overnight the lying bastards.

  • FuzzFace

    I’m on aliant’s FTTH and I experience no throttling, nor any other connection issues. I get my full 25/5 with no monthly caps

  • gz

    Deeply digusted at Rogers.

    Upstream is throttled to 80kbps. WTF? That translates to a measly 10KBps upload speed. That is far below the 1Mb (125KBps) I paid for every month. I paid for HSI not dial-up!

    Watch out Rogers you gonna lose tons of customers.

  • 416e6f6e796d6f7573

    @gz

    It’s actually more like 8 KB/s when you take overheads into account. What a fuçkíng insult. It is, as you say, virtually dial-up modem speed.

    BitTorrent developers need to sort their act out and devise workable methods of defeating this traffic-shaping, and soon, before they one day wake to find they’ve lost all semblance of control by idiotically allowing the ISPs to take it. BitTorrent already runs like a piece of shít on too many ISPs these days because of it, but then most naive people out there tend to believe it’s slow because of lack of seeds and such, oblivious to the fact it’s the providers traffic shaping policies putting the screws down. The list of ISPs already doing it is long, but the BitTorrent devs do nothing…

  • finfag

    This is horrible what I read at these comments.

    And I was complaining when my provider deliberately capped the upload speed to half on everything, to, dear I say… 100/2,5 MB CABLE for 41,90€/month, I complained for moths, and then, the very next day when I had received an offer of 100/10 VDSL2 for only 42,90€/month from their competitor, my upload suddenly jumped to 5MB.

    So I was happy and did not want to change for the 10MB upload since I would have had to buy a new modem.

    I use a private Finnish tracker and I usually download at full speed, upload is also maxed out, the 720p episodes come to me in few minutes.

    So you guys use dial-ups, I did too in 1995. ;{

  • unhappy

    @100 – You have nerve posting such lies.

    Many of you have mentioned Techsavvy. For months now they have told me they will have cable in Ottawa. I also asked if they throttled and was told no. Even they are lying as they get their cable from Rogers. If it is throttled from the source, it will be throttled regardless who you are with. They say they have unthrottled DSL service, but they neglect to tell you Bell will crush them in the future with caps.

    So even though other providers exist, they still must go through Bell or Rogers. In my opinion, they lie as much as Rogers and Bell, because if you are not in the know, you will get screwed by them as well.

    Fact is, we are getting screwed by everyone.

    As someone pointed out, I pay for the 1Mb (125KBps)upstream but get a fraction of this.

    How they are legally allowed to do this is inexplicable to me.

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  • Jack

    Anybody got a list of OpenVPN services that allows P2P traffic?

    P.S. TorrenFreedom/Cryptocloud are among the slowest vpn service I ever tried, just not worth it.

  • rezoon

    I switched to bell!

    Rogers: 78kb/s down 2kb/s up
    Fibe 12 + $10 gb: $1.4mb/s and 100kb/s up

  • Yatti420

    Canadian Telcos are jokes. Plain and simple. When will the CRTC or Cons do the right thing?

  • Nono name

    hi. i have been using rogers for 4 years, all i can say is they fucking suck. the crtc sits back and does nothing, rogers colludes with bell in price fixing. they charge obscene amounts of money for a service that they dont give. i have there “extreme plus” package which is supposed to be 25/1. p2p downloads barely reach 500 KB/s, when they should reach 2.8 MB/s. there support lies about there DPI practices. bell is no better. The canadian government should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to go on for so many years.

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